Anthony Norman: When Reality Isn’t Reality

Summary

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The Squeeze Podcast — Episode Summary

Episode Title: Anthony Norman: When Reality Isn’t Reality
Date: April 15, 2026
Host: Taylor Lautner (with husband/co-host Taylor Lautner)
Guest: Anthony Norman (star of “Company Retreat,” Amazon Prime)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Anthony Norman, the breakout star of the hit Amazon Prime show “Company Retreat” (the second season following “Jury Duty”). The premise: Anthony is hired as a temp assistant at a fake company, not knowing that everyone else is an actor and the whole experience is a secret social experiment/comedy. The discussion dives into Anthony’s surreal experience, the emotional and mental impact of realizing reality wasn’t reality, his process navigating the show, and reflections on authenticity, vulnerability, and kindness in today’s hyper-mediated world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What “Company Retreat” Actually Was

• Premise Recap: Anthony thought he was working for a small business—Rock and Grandma’s Hot Sauce—on a company retreat. In actuality, everyone but him was an actor, creating a massive social experiment to see how he’d react in increasingly absurd scenarios.
• Difference from Season 1 “Jury Duty”: Instead of a jury panel, this was in a close-knit company retreat context, ramping up both emotional stakes and opportunities for awkward comedy.
• Notable Reaction:
  “So much craziness... a car crashed in the front door. Albertson fires... with the documentary crews being there f—the documentary, like, this needs to be a TV show.” — Anthony (00:53)

2. The Casting Process & Initial Suspicions

• How Anthony Was Cast:
  • Saw the job listing through his mom, applied to a temp agency, went through two Zoom interviews, then waited over a month prior to official selection.
  • “[My mom] sent it to me because she knows I’m always looking for different jobs.” — Anthony (00:47)
• Was He Ever Suspicious?
  • At times, especially as absurd or unlikely events piled up (e.g., spa days, celebrity appearances, car crash).
  • Only had his phone taken for a “digital detox”—realized afterward he was the only one without a phone.
  • “Come to find out, I was the only one without my phone.” — Anthony (01:28, 18:30)
  • On the “documentary”: It was pitched as a study on big business vs. small business, which he found plausible.
  • Absurd seminars, like one with a fake Everest climber, later stood out as particularly odd. “A lot of those seminars, most of them had good messages... There were some that were so boring... I would just check out and be shivering.” — Anthony (21:24)

3. Navigating the Surreal — Memorable/Crazy Moments

• Standout Experiences:
  • Genuinely connecting with cast—believing their outlandish stories and empathizing.
  • Elaborate, over-the-top moments (e.g., spa treatments brought to the retreat, surprise appearances by celebrities like Sia, excessive brunches): “Looking back, I’m like, this was a little extra, right?” — Anthony (19:53)
  • Noticing inconsistencies: e.g., being told he can’t use music in the talent show due to “copyright” — then Sia shows up.
  • “And then the next day or two, f— Sia shows up, and you see the cameraman trying to get every moment of Sia.” — Anthony (20:16)

4. Emotional Fallout & Realization

• The Reveal:
  • Didn’t fully register until he got home and watched the show’s first season: “Just like in the moment, right after the reveal, you don’t even really understand... I didn’t know what kind of TV show it was.” (22:52)
  • No sense of betrayal: “I look at it like they hired me to go hang around comedic actors all day, and then at the end they’re like ‘oh, by the way, we recorded it and want to show the world.’ Like, how do you feel? There was no resentment or hate or anything.” (23:44)
• Impact of Public Attention:
  • Biggest change: managing the attention and not letting the praise change his character.
  • “Everybody tells me, you’re such a good person... And eventually you want to buy into that and that can change you. I didn’t feel like I had to previously fight that... now I have to sometimes stop myself and be like ‘go back to the old you’... don’t let it get to you.” — Anthony (37:14)
• Mental Health Strategy: Isolation and digitally unplugging to reset (38:11)

5. Notable Quotes, Lessons, and Reflections

• On Authenticity & Teamwork:
  • “Just be willing to help others. Our Lord tells us to love our neighbors. Right? So love your neighbor.” — Anthony (43:33)
  • “I couldn’t have made it through without being myself.” (39:35)
  • “Willingness to be a part of a team... Growing up playing sports, that’s what I’m used to.” (40:29)
• On Learning Names & Meeting Cast as Themselves:
  • “Learning their names was the hardest part of it... They just take on a Persona... I feel like I still got to know them, just one part of them. Since then, just learning the other sides of them.” (24:51)
• On Post-Show Relationships:
  • “Absolutely. All of them, yeah. Alex though, that’s my brother.”
  • “Helen or Stephanie, she’s so sweet... She made me a hoodie that says Hero, she made one for my son.” (25:23-25:47)
• On Joyful Moments Not on Camera:
  • “We played wiffle ball and they didn’t put it in there, but that’s okay. Big baseball guy... everybody genuinely showed up.” (35:13)
  • “The purpose of retreats, right, are just to build, you know, team building and come together as a family. And that’s exactly what happened.” (36:08)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:32–01:27: Anthony describes feeling like he’s on a TV show, hints at bizarre happenings (car crash, fires, documentary crew).
• 03:21: Host explains the “Company Retreat” premise.
• 06:11–08:21: “Citrus Got Real” game—Anthony’s preference for the 2000s, nostalgia chat, and parenting/phones discussion.
• 08:29–10:28: Anthony describes how he got the job and the interview process.
• 16:19–20:21: Wildest/show-wouldn’t-believe moments, growing suspicion, forgetting about cameras.
• 21:10–21:38: Seminars—mix of absurd and genuinely helpful/boring.
• 22:52–24:00: Processing the reveal, lack of resentment.
• 24:31–25:19: Hosts marvel at Anthony’s kindness and ask if he’s always this nice.
• 25:23–26:31: Staying in touch with the cast, real friendships formed.
• 36:29–38:11: Life changes after the show, dealing with attention, staying grounded, mental health.
• 39:20: What Anthony learned about himself, valuing authenticity, and being “enough” as yourself.
• 40:12–44:33: Reflections on goodness, teamwork, popular response, and advice for others.
• 44:39–48:07 (“Lemon 7” rapid-fire):
  • Song/movie for mental health: “How Far We Came,” Meek Mills
  • Opening up: Has become more open recently
  • Social accounts: ESPN, The Real Big Win, Jordan Peterson
  • Self-care: Isolation
  • Misunderstanding: Not always outgoing—comfort determines openness
  • Most positive mental health impact: His son
  • “Go back” life advice: “Don’t try to grow up too fast and just enjoy it.”

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Sia’s Surprise Appearance:
  “We were told we couldn’t do a song because they didn’t have the rights, then next day or two f—ing Sia shows up. That should have been a clue.” (20:16)
• On Fame’s Impact:
  “I have to sometimes stop myself and be like, go back to the old you... don’t let it get to you.” (37:25)
• On Real Friendships:
  “Alex though, that’s my brother... Stephanie sends Christmas cards, made me a Hero hoodie.” (25:25)
• On the Reveal:
  “Just being so excited for a long time did kind of make me frustrated, in a sense... I would call it the crash.” (28:49)

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Lessons & Takeaways

• The Power of Vulnerability:
  Anthony’s willingness to trust and connect—despite being essentially “pranked”—demonstrated profound kindness and optimism that resonated deeply with fans.
• Team Spirit & Kindness:
  His sports background prepped him to help, connect, and say “yes” to every challenge, making him the heart of the show.
• Staying Grounded Amid Sudden Fame:
  Anthony is aware of how easy it would be for attention to change him and makes intentional efforts to remain authentic.
• Mental Health:
  He values resetting through isolation and phone-free periods, avoiding outside influence when overwhelmed.

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Conclusion

Anthony’s realness and heart made “Company Retreat” more than a hidden camera show—it became a lesson in humanity, vulnerability, and the awkward beauty of true connection. His experience sheds light on what it means to remain yourself when reality shifts, and how kindness endures even under the oddest circumstances.

Final Quote:
“Just be willing to help others. Our Lord tells us to love our neighbors. Right? So love your neighbor.” — Anthony (43:33)

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For Further Listening

Jump to [16:19] for Anthony’s wildest realizations, [22:52] for the emotional aftermath, and [44:39] onward for the “Lemon 7” rapid-fire mental health and fun questions.

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Transcript

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[Anthony]

Dear Media Production I real life feel like I'm on a TV show.

[Host 1]

Did you see the hidden cameras?

[Host 2]

No, I've never seen a hidden camera, but I guess they're hidden, so I wouldn't.

[Anthony]

You wouldn't see them, right?

[Host 2]

You can't tell nobody your interview process. Like, was it just something that popped up? Did you talk to people?

[Anthony]

Actually shout out to mom? She sent it to me because she knows, you know, I'm always looking for different jobs.

[Host 2]

This can't be real. Like, this needs to be a TV

[Anthony]

show because so much craziness and so much craziness that they didn't even script a car crashed in the front door. Albertson fires that with the documentary crews being there f the documentary. Like, this needs to be a TV show. Honestly, learning their names was the hardest part of it. They just take on a Persona of themselves that they have in their mind. The purpose of retreats, right, are just to team building and come together as a family. And that's exactly what happened. Positions where they fit all their backstories. Just the bond. It just seemed so real. And then the next day or two, fucking Sia shows up. And you'd see the cameraman trying to get every moment of Sia and I was just like, yeah, yeah, I should have known.

[Host 2]

That's so funny.

[Anthony]

I didn't even know what kind of TV show it was. Come to find out, I was the only one without my phone.

[Host 2]

What job you want next?

[Host 1]

I don't think you're ever going to

[Host 2]

struggle to find work again because I think anyone's going to want to hire you after this.

[Host 1]

Lemon drops. Welcome back to the Squeeze. Happy Wednesday.

[Host 2]

First of all, I just want to

[Host 1]

thank you guys for the love that you gave me last week. I just feel so grateful to get to experience this with such a loving community. Like, I literally can't get over the fact that you guys just give me so much love and the amount of messages that I've received, I see them, I try to look at all of them, especially now, because there's just so many women that are reaching out to me, telling me what they're going through in their pregnancy. So many of us are pregnant at the same time right now. So it's really special that we, we get to do this together. And again, I'm just so thankful that

[Host 2]

this is my job and that you

[Host 1]

guys just have given me such amazing love and support. And even though I don't see you

[Host 2]

in person, I can feel your love through all of our social apps and it's just so special.

[Host 1]

Okay, so I know last episode I was raving about our guests for the next week and how I've been trying to get her on forever and that she's amazing. So that episode actually you're gonna have to wait one more week for because that will be next week's episode. Because this week's episode actually just came up last minute and it was perfect timing with the finale of the show ending. So we had to just bump this

[Host 2]

episode up to come out this week.

[Host 1]

And if you guys have never heard of, of Jury Duty or Company Retreat, which is basically season one and season two of a show on Amazon prime, you have to go watch it right now. This show, the creators of this show are truly so smart. Basically, the premise of this show this season, specifically Company Retreat, is where Anthony, who is our guest today, Anthony thinks that he's been hired as a temp assistant for a small business called Rock and Grandma's Hot Sauce, not realizing that the company, the retreat, the company goes on and nearly everyone around him is part of this elaborate staged comedy setup. So basically Anthony is the only person that is not an actor. Everyone around him is an actor. Everyone's portraying these characters and they basically, it's basically a social experiment to see what Anthony will do. And the first season was Jury Duty and it followed these set of jurors around. This one follows a company and it's this tight knit family mean, it's truly

[Host 2]

like one of the best shows out there.

[Host 1]

It makes you cringe in your seat

[Host 2]

in the best way.

[Host 1]

But this season you really get to

[Host 2]

see Anthony, who is the hero of the episode and is our guest today.

[Host 1]

He is just a gem of a human. He is one of a kind and you can see his kindness play out throughout this season and he ends up

[Host 2]

doing some amazing things in the final episode.

[Host 1]

I'm not going to tell you what they are because I want you to go watch it. If you haven't watched it. If you have, you were in for a treat because I asked him why all of the questions? How did he not know? What was his interview process?

[Host 2]

Like, what did he take away from the experience?

[Host 1]

Literally, every question under the sun I have asked him. So I'm excited for you guys to meet him.

[Host 2]

He is truly such a sweet soul,

[Host 1]

and I can't wait for you guys to just hear more about him in this show. If you haven't watched it, listen to this episode today and then go watch it because it's truly so good. And then I will see you guys right back here next week for a very special episode.

[Host 2]

Anthony, Sweet, welcome to the Squeeze.

[Anthony]

Thank you for having me.

[Host 2]

I'm super excited because Jury Duty, company retreat. Those are, like, me and my husband's favorite shows, Jury Duty. When that came out, we. It took me a minute to get into it because I Like, when things are uncomfortable. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I want to crawl in the hole. My husband, like, thrives off of it. Like, he just is obsessed with it. So when the second season came out, we were so excited. So I'm excited to, like, hear from you in your experience, because that's, I feel, like, the biggest, like, question mark. Because obviously, we kind of understand the production side of it, but you not knowing anything was even going on at all.

[Anthony]

At all.

[Host 1]

Okay, well, we start each episode off with this jar. A little game called Citrus got real. If you want to pull a little question out of there and read it for us.

[Anthony]

Okay. I feel like you put the.

[Host 2]

I know. I just. I try to stack some so they're, like, easier to reach, but then no one goes for them.

[Anthony]

If you had to live in one decade forever, which would it. Which would you choose? I probably say, like, the 2000s to, like, 2010. That's when, like, the world was still just raw. We didn't have so much technology. Like, people were still being people, but we were slowly advancing, like, we were getting the good technology, but not so much to where I felt like we're in an advanced civilization. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Host 2]

Yeah. No, I agree with that. I feel like my TikTok feed, as of recent has been very, like, showing nostalgic things. Like, I came across this TikTok of a girl that posted, like, this little

[Host 1]

hello Kitty alarm clock that I had,

[Host 2]

and it was literally just the most simple clock, and it was like a tea mug. Then there was, like, games I used to play as a kid. But I always think about that, like, going outside and playing till the street lights come on and things like that.

[Anthony]

100%. Yeah. And dancing in the rain. I used to do that. And, like, we would roll around in the puddles out in the. On the concrete. My dad used to get so mad at us. Well, not mad, but he would get off the ground.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. It's so sweet. I know. I hope. I feel like our generation is going to bring that back.

[Host 1]

Like, I feel like we swung so

[Host 2]

much into, like, technology heavy. I feel like I know so many

[Host 1]

my friends that our moms are doing

[Host 2]

things with their kids where they're not having a phone till, like, they're 16 or there's, like, a communal phone that's in the house that they can house.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Literally, if they want to, like, have an Instagram, they can do it on that, but that, like, has to be used, like, in the kitchen and nowhere else. So I feel like we're kind of, like, swinging.

[Anthony]

Yeah. Back then, I saw somebody. I don't know who it was. I saw somebody said that they. They make their kids. They only can have their phone in the kitchen.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

They can't take their phone to their room. They can't. I'm assuming they let them, like, take it to, like, their friend's house if they're leaving, but essentially, for the most part, when they're at home, they can't really have their phone unless they're sitting there.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

In the kitchen. And I love that.

[Host 2]

It's such a.

[Host 1]

It's so.

[Host 2]

It's so interesting.

[Host 1]

Okay, well, I'm excited to dive in

[Host 2]

because I have so many questions that I'm, like, so excited to ask.

[Anthony]

Shoot. Shoot.

[Host 2]

And I know the viewers are definitely going to want to know the answers to these questions, but first of all, I want to start had before this, had you been doing temp work? Like, what exactly is it? Just, like, short contracted work.

[Anthony]

So I don't know what. In the moment, I guess I called it temp work, really. Just looking for jobs that fit with my. My schedule with my son. So I have a week on, week off schedule. And really. So it started with valet, and I did valet for, like, three or four years and got very close with a lot of the hiring managers. And so they would just basically say, hey, we got a shift today. Do you want it? So that was cool. Like, they would just text me, like, I can pick it up. You know, there's different apps out there where you can just pick up shifts and like, like now, well, not so much anymore, but I serve weddings. I live In Nashville. So, like, we would work Titans games or, like, set up music events and, like, help break them down and stuff like that. So it is very temporary in a sense that, like, I might just show up and do it for one day or, you know, there's the valet where it's like. It lasted for a long time, but I wasn't on a set schedule.

[Host 2]

Okay, how long was this set supposed to be for your schedule?

[Anthony]

A little under two weeks.

[Host 2]

Okay. Okay, perfect. What was your interview process like for that? Was it just something that popped up? Did you talk to people?

[Anthony]

Yeah. So actually shout out to Mom. She sent it to me because she knows, you know, I'm always looking for different jobs.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

So she sent it to me and I just applied. I applied to the ad, and then they got back to me pretty quickly after I applied. And then I had two Zoom interviews. I'm not sure with who they were with, but it was to a temp company. It wasn't with Rock and Grandma's at the time. I was applying to a temp company.

[Host 2]

Got it.

[Anthony]

And then after, you know, I had those two Zoom interviews. I almost forgot about it. It was like a month, month and a half before they even said anything to me. And then they reached out and was like, you know, hey, I think we want to move forward with you. And then at which point, that's when I got on the Zoom with Kevin, which is shown in the show. And then after that, they just kind of sent me the details. Hey, the time, the date, the pay rate, and all of that. And then, yeah, we got going.

[Host 2]

That is so crazy. Do you know if they were. If by the time when you did talk to him, were you the only person that they had picked or do you know if they were still talking to people?

[Anthony]

I'm not sure.

[Host 2]

Okay. Had you heard of Jury Duty?

[Anthony]

Not before.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Anthony]

At the very end, when they were, like, explaining to me what Jury Duty was, they showed me a picture of Ronald and I was like, okay, he looks familiar, but I didn't know that he was from Jury Duty.

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[Host 2]

Because I feel. I mean, I feel like you even said it. There were so many times where you were like. Like, this can't be real. Like, this can't be a TV show.

[Anthony]

And. Yeah, and that's. I think that's where I. How I got to the. That point of, like, this feels like a TV show is because so much craziness. And so much craziness that they didn't even script. So went to Albertsons one morning. So every morning I had to go do runs.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

A car crashed in the front door. Albertsons. And broke the door. We had. We had fires. We had all of this. And I think that with the documentary crews being there, I was like, f. F the documentary. Like, this needs to be a TV show. Right. So I think that's how I got to that. Not the conclusion of it that it's a TV show, but it needs to be a TV show. Or I feel like I'm in one.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

What. So what did they tell you?

[Host 2]

Because obviously there's cameras, you know, there's cameramen walking around. What did they tell you they were filming.

[Anthony]

So it was a documentary of basically big business. Big businesses versus small businesses. Which isn't a lie, I guess, because it was a big business versus small business.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

This wasn't a documentary.

[Host 2]

And that was probably, like, easy for you to just kind of, like, get on board.

[Anthony]

Yeah, for sure. Like, sign me up.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I was thinking too, like, there must just be because of all of the craziness and because these characters that the cast played are just, like, so absurd. I'm sure there's, like, a point where it almost feels normal, in a sense, because it's all just, like, at this, like, absurd level, like, nothing's really, like, standing out. Do you feel like that maybe was like.

[Anthony]

Yes and no. So at a certain point, you do just gotta, like, buy into the craziness. And, like, I think that allowed me to open up and, like, kind of have fun with it. Right?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

But there were also moments where it wasn't so crazy either. Like, yeah, Alex or Dougie. He wasn't always being his Dougie self. Yeah, his Dougie stuff. Thank you. Yeah. He wasn't always being his Dougie self. Sometimes it was just cool, you know, normal conversation.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I know. I think we forget to, like, how. How much time was actually, like, how. How much you are communicating with everyone and how much isn't shown. I think they showed the stat, like, at the end of the last episode. It was like 3600 hours or something crazy like that of just.

[Anthony]

And then you Mix in the fact that at least me anyways. And we had a seminar. It was a. A digital detox, so we all had to give up our phones. But come to find out, I was the only one without my phone. So when you don't have a phone and, you know, they can't be on their phone around me, so it's like, that's all we really had to. Had to do was do these seminars and sit there and really connect with each other.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Looking back, is there any standout moments to you that you're just like, oh, my gosh, like, I really should have, like, questioned that or, like, why wasn't that so crazy to me?

[Anthony]

So one moment that wasn't even shared at all. But Warren, it was his birthday, and I went on a store run and I. I went and got him a cupcake. And it was like a big one, but it was just a singular one. Right?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

And so we, like. We sang Happy Birthday and stuff. And Jerry, Doug, he was not there, so I went. We was talking about it at a. That same day, it was a little later, and he was like, oh, yeah, I got one of those cupcakes. And I was like. It was. It was. I didn't say it out loud, but I was like, it's only one, so I don't know what you're talking about. Right. But that was just a moment where I kind of. There was, like, hair. The hairs on my back and the back of my neck were standing up.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

Obviously true. K is bringing in Sia and just everything there. There was. They brought us a spa day. Like, they literally got everybody from a spa and brought them into one of our seminar rooms and the. The brunch with all, you know, the big table and the big setup.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

To me, looking back, I'm like, this was a little extra, right?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

And then also, me and Jimmy were working on his talent show performance, and I was trying. We were trying to remix an Eminem song. And then Alexis, one of the producers, came out, and she was like, this is a small documentary. We don't. We don't have the copyrights. We can't do that. So I was like, okay, whatever. And then the next day or two, fucking Sia shows up, and you see the cameraman trying to get every moment of Sia.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

And I was just like, yeah, Yeah. I should have known.

[Host 2]

That's so funny. I mean, how could you. I think people. I feel like people when they're like, he knows he's being film. Like, obviously, you know, to some extent. Because they're telling you, like, they're filming a documentary, so you're not like, you know, obviously you're privy to that. There is cameras floating around.

[Anthony]

Yeah, for sure. And you honestly, you forget about, like, when you're not talking directly to them, you forget about them.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I want to hear about these seminars because the seminars were honestly, like, the hardest thing for me to watch. And it, like, I liked in the last episode that they really showed a lot of the cast of, like, how they literally, like, could not even, like, keep a straight face during some of these seminars. Like, what, like, what was that experience like for you? Because some of them were just, like, absurd. Yeah, I don't. I don't even know what a better word is than absurd.

[Anthony]

Yeah, like, just for example, I forget his name. The one he climbed Mount Everest.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I know. That's the one I was thinking of.

[Anthony]

But at the same time, like, a lot of those seminars, most of them had good messages, right?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

What else? Because there were some that were so boring. Like, I literally was just sitting there. I'm. I'm very. I get cold very easily. And, like, so I would just, like, check out and just be, like, shivering and just, like, shaking.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

What other seminars do we have? Please forgive me. This was, like, three years ago now or, like, two years ago, so I have to remember.

[Host 2]

That's crazy. It was. Wait, it just took them that long to, like.

[Anthony]

That's crazy to edit and everything. They had so much. They had so much film that they had to go through and then actually doing the work of editing it together. And, you know, I'm sure they sent it to people to make sure, you know, the final cut was good or.

[Host 2]

Yeah, because I know they. I mean, I know they, like, write out a script, but it's so, like, up in the air. But I bet there was still so many things that, like, popped up, and you have to still make a. A cohesive storyline because it is a show. At the end of the day. What are the emotions? Because I honestly feel like you handled it so well, like, finding out that it. None of it was real. And I just thought it was, like, so sweet how you were just, like. You just, like, believed it right away. And you were so. Just, like, still loved everyone. And also was so sweet to see the whole cast, like, everyone crying and just, like, you could really feel how it was really cool to see how deeply they, as humans, like, as them, as their true selves, like, actually cared for you, too, had, as they had been, been Playing a character this whole time, what was that moment like for you? Like, how long did it take to actually sink in that it wasn't real?

[Anthony]

Yeah, I would say it didn't really sink in until, like, I got home and kind of really started watching the. The first season. Just like in the moment, like right after the reveal, it's. It's. You don't really even understand. Like, I didn't even know what kind of TV show it was right until after, you know, we. We kind of did a little celebration and then we went and sat down. I would say probably like two, two to three months after. After the fact.

[Host 2]

What are those initial. Like, is there a sense of not betrayal or like, questioning your trust in people? But I'm sure after going through such high emotional things, because the show definitely takes you on this emotional roller coaster and you feel bad for these characters even though they are insane. You feel bad for them and you are so sweet and helping them through these scenarios. Did you have any of those thoughts?

[Anthony]

No, no, not at all. I kind of, you know, especially looking back at it now, I look at it like they hired me to go hang around comedic actors all day, and then at the end they're like, oh, by the way, we recorded it and we want to show the world how do you feel like there was no resentment or hate or anything like that.

[Host 2]

Yeah. My husband really wanted me to ask you this question. If you're just always nice. Like, I feel like I. I feel like Amazon is just like, thanking their lucky stars that they picked you to do this, because I feel like you are truly, like, the perfect person for this because they needed someone that genuinely cares for people. And I feel like you embody that so well. So are you always this nice of a human?

[Anthony]

So I like, I like to think I always try to be respectful. Right. Now, obviously, you can push me and get. Get me to the nice. Not. No nice side.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

But for the most part, like I said, I think I just try to be respectful.

[Host 2]

Yeah. What was it like for you, meeting the actual humans that were playing these characters as, like, learning their names? Like, what was that like?

[Anthony]

Honestly, learning their names was the hardest part of it. They're. They're honestly the same. Not the exact same people, but I just, like, they took. They just take on a Persona of themselves that they have in their mind and just fall into that. Right. I'm going to use Alex as an example. He had a more young, you know, childish mindset. Right. So I just picture him going back to his younger Self. And, like, what. What would I have done in this. In this scenario? Right. So I just. I feel like I still got to know them, just one part of them. So since then, just learning the other sides of them.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Do you still keep in contact with anyone?

[Anthony]

Yeah, absolutely. All of them. All of them, yeah.

[Host 2]

That's so sweet.

[Anthony]

Alex, though, that's. That's my brother Helen or Stephanie. She's so sweet. She'll swing. Send, like, Christmas cards or. She actually bought me. You'll see it in the reunion shoot or the. Yeah, the reunion shoot. I had on a red hoodie that says Hero. She made me one, and she made one for my son. So, you know, we. I've just, you know, sending stuff back and forth and just text facetimes every now and again just to check on each other.

[Host 2]

That's so sweet. Yeah. I feel like there's such, like, a deep bond. Like, not a trauma bond, but some weird form of a trauma bond that you guys go through because it is such. Especially because it is so intense. Like, you don't have your phone. They're playing this Persona literally every second of every day. Like, that's probably so tiring for them to having to do this and really, like, trying not to laugh and trying to remember all of the details. I love that they did that in the last episode. Like, they had to really. The difference between the two seasons with Jury duty, no one knew anyone, so they didn't have to, like, build these memories or be like, oh, yeah, the company retreat, this many years ago this happened, or.

[Anthony]

Yes. And they did a phenomenal job from the moment I walked in the door, like, PJ being the receptionist, like, he just fits.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

Just every. Every. The positions where they fit all their backstories. Like, you know, you go in the warehouse and Lanisa and Jimmy. Or like, where. How. You know what I'm saying? Like, just the bond, it just seemed so real.

[Host 2]

Yeah. When you found out that it was like, an Amazon prime show and after, like, watching Jury Diddy, were you excited? Were you nervous? Were you embarrassed? Like, what. What was the anticipation waiting to, like, see this, see the season.

[Anthony]

A little nervous. Just because I had never seen my face on a screen, especially in this manner before.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

Never did I feel embarrassed at all because they never did anything to, like, make. Make it a joke on me. Right. So I never. Did I ever feel embarrassed.

[Host 1]

Did you see the hidden cameras?

[Anthony]

No. Like, no. How would I see them?

[Host 2]

I know I have. No. I have. No. I've never. I mean, I've never Seen a hidden camera, but I guess they're hidden, so I wouldn't.

[Anthony]

You wouldn't see. Right.

[Host 2]

But I've never, like, even had the thought to. So you just thought it was, like, the guys, like, the actual cameramen walking around.

[Anthony]

There was three of them, and it was the same guys every day, and then there was two. I guess you would have called producers.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

And they were there every day at the same time. They came, they showed up the same time every morning. They left the same time every day.

[Host 2]

Oh, my gosh. It's so. I want to. Like, after the first season, my husband

[Host 1]

was like, I have to be a

[Host 2]

part of the show. And then he thought about it, and he was like, actually, that would literally be, like, the most terrifying thing. And so James Morrison's been doing, like, interviews, and he was like. Someone asked him if he was sad he wasn't in the second season, and he was like, no, I'm not sad, because that was the most stressful thing I've ever done in my life. Like, I can't imagine that as an actor. Like, what. What that takes of you, because it is literally, like, all day, 24 7, all the time.

[Anthony]

But on the same side, I feel like it's fun, right? Like, you're in on it, and it's like. It's exciting, too.

[Host 2]

Yeah, no, you're in on the bit for sure. You said it took you, like, a couple of months to process everything. Did you feel any form of, like,

[Host 1]

emotional crash from it?

[Host 2]

Because, you know, you were so. You were defending these characters, like, to the end. Like, you literally were like, had your hand on this contract, and you were like, don't sign it. Was there any form of emotional crash after that? You were like, oh, like, thank God. Like, that, like, actually wasn't real.

[Anthony]

I mean, a little bit. Not towards, you know, them. Me saving the company and then possibly losing their job and, like, feeling okay about that? Yeah, I would say that there was a bit of a crash, right? From just excitement and joy of, like, just being a part of something so, so big. And then it's like, I think about, like, I'm the kid on Christmas Eve, right? You're waiting all day until Santa comes. For me, I had to wait, like, a year and a half, and it was, like, that big excitement, that rush of, like, knowing them be a part of it. But then I had to go back to my normal life and just, like, almost forget about it. So just being so excited for a long time did kind of make me frustrated, in a sense. And I guess that's where I guess I would call the crash, because it's like, oh, my God, I'm so ready. I'm so ready. And then it's. You're just tired of being ready all the time and you're ready for it to be here.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I mean, yeah.

[Host 2]

You're anticipating something that is a world that you've never been a part of. And, you know, so much of you was shown on it like you were just yourself, literally. They have so much footage of you, so I'm sure there's so much, like, anticipation. Not because you're scared that they're gonna show a bad side of you, just because you literally have no idea what this world even looks like. And you're just waiting to see it. Waiting, waiting and waiting to see it.

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[Host 2]

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[Host 2]

Like, what was the most like fun moments to you? Like is there anything that stands out to you that like, oh, the sage brush dinner was super fun or doing the little like challenge thing. Like, is there anything that stands out to you that you were like genuinely, genuinely just had the best time doing?

[Anthony]

Yeah. So first and foremost we played wiffle ball and they didn't put it in there, but that's okay. Big baseball guy and everybody, everybody played and everybody like showed up. They didn't half heartedly play like, you know, why are we out here doing this? Everybody genuinely showed up and was like having fun and that meant a lot to me. And then the ride back from Sagebrush, Kate or Erica was in the back and then Rachel or Claire was right beside each other and Claire was flirting with Kate and I was like, weren't you just trying to flirt with the boss? And then me and, me and Mark Sully sitting there cracking up about what we just like we saw them kissing and stuff like that and he's like, you can't tell nobody. So just that whole, that whole bus ride back was hilarious.

[Host 2]

I feel like the group had such fun people. Like everyone was just felt so positive and so down. So I just feel like it's like it looked like you guys were just genuinely like having the best time.

[Anthony]

Yeah. It literally was like the purpose of retreats, right, are just to build, you know, team building and come together as a family. And that's exactly what happened.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Getting into who you are outside of company retreat. What's something about your life that people would maybe be surprised to know?

[Anthony]

I guess I'll say I'm a homebody. I don't I don't really like to go out too much. You know, I spend time with my family and outside of that, I'll be. I'll be at the house.

[Host 2]

Yeah. What's been the biggest change for you? Life before this in life now, do you feel like you're still able to keep sense of normal in your life now that the show is out or what's kind of been the biggest shift for you?

[Anthony]

Yeah, for the most part, it's been pretty normal. Just like my day to day life here lately, it's been changing a little bit. Just people coming up to me and, you know, talking to me and stuff and sharing a lot of love. I think the biggest change for me is just fighting my thoughts. And what I mean by that is like, you know, everybody tells, you know, is telling me you're such a good person, you're such a good person. And eventually you'll want to believe, like, buy into that and that can change you. And I didn't, I didn't feel like I had to previously fight that. Right. And now, now that I'm getting all this, this outside.

[Host 2]

Yeah, like, attention.

[Anthony]

Yeah, attention. It's like I have to sometimes stop myself and be like, yo, go. Go back to the oju. You're like, yeah, don't, don't let it get to you.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Well, I think that's what makes what everyone saying is true, that you have that foresight to not let it get to your head because it very easily can. Easily, very easily. Do you. Have you gotten used to people like, coming up to you? Because I know you're kind of a quiet guy. Is that like, is that adjustment hard for you or is it. Is, is it just fun? Because it's just a fun time right now.

[Anthony]

It's more fun just because everybody's so sweet and so kind. And it honestly just started like when the first episode dropped. Nobody really said anything to me, but since the finale, it's been, it's been picking up.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

How do you prioritize your mental health?

[Anthony]

So I isolate. I put my phone down, turn the TV off. Don't let any outside influence. Influence influence me at all. Honestly. I try not to think. I try to just let my mind just be blank and just kind of reset myself.

[Host 2]

Yeah. What job do you want next? Because I think after seeing this in the human that you are, I don't think you're ever going to struggle to find work again. Because I think, I think anyone's going to want to hire you after this, honestly.

[Anthony]

So what I Would, like, like where I want to retire at. I just want to build a baseball facility and complex to where I can just coach and, like, host tournaments and stuff like that. But from now until then, I would like to do, like, brand deals, endorsements, maybe smaller commercials. I mean, I think it would be cool to be in, like, movies and stuff like that, but that's not something I'm chasing.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

For instance, like, I love Teen Wolf growing up, so, like, if they had an opportunity for me to jump in there on one season, like, I think that would be dope.

[Host 2]

Yeah. That's so cool. I feel like you've gotten such a fun intro into, like, this world.

[Anthony]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host 2]

I want to know what did this experience teach you about yourself that maybe you didn't know before?

[Anthony]

That I'm not as much of a. Of a talker as I thought I was. And I'll say it made me. Made me love myself a little bit more. Obviously, the outside, not reinforcement, the love

[Host 2]

that you've been getting from people from.

[Anthony]

From the world is nice. Right. But just understanding that I couldn't have made it through without being myself. So just knowing. Knowing that it makes me love myself a little bit.

[Host 2]

Yeah. No, that you. You just being yourself was enough to put, literally run a TV show. And the whole reason this show exists is just because of the human that you are, so.

[Anthony]

Well, thank you. I. I like to argue against that because I. I think there's plenty of consoles out there. Would they have said things differently or handled things maybe a little differently? For sure.

[Host 2]

What does being a good person mean to you now?

[Anthony]

It doesn't mean anything different than before. I think. I think we should have always leave with lead, with love and respect.

[Host 2]

Why do you think people connected with you so strongly throughout watching your experience on the show?

[Anthony]

I probably say just my willingness to be a part of a team, honestly and willing to help out others. Growing up playing sports, like, that's all I'm used to. Right. So that's just instinctually what I go to.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I think your willingness to just, like, be down to do anything. And also, you're so, like, when someone's like, hey, can you run and do this? You're always like, yep, that's what I'm here for. Like, you always were like, the first one to jump up and do it. And you were so willing to do literally anything all the time and also just participate in the most, like, insane activities and things.

[Anthony]

They were really fun activities, though. Yeah, most of them weren't fun.

[Host 2]

Yeah. At least you got to have some real fun.

[Anthony]

Yeah. Ronald, he's kind of like, bro, I'm so jealous, bro. You had a whole freaking property, you could roam around so funny. And he was just sequestered in his hotel room.

[Host 2]

What has been your. Because I know you guys have talked and I know this is going to come out. What was it like getting to like, talk with him and share amazing experiences?

[Anthony]

Amazing. Much needed. He, he, he's, he's amazing. First and foremost, he's been there for me every step of the way. Anytime I call or text, he's there. We're actually going to grab dinner when I leave here or a little bit later. But honestly, I look at him like a big brother. There was one point I want to say it was the first conversation we had. I told him I was like, you know, I'm not the only one that's been through this. Like, what can I do for you? Right? And he was like, no, no, bro, I'm here for you. Anything you need, just let me know.

[Host 2]

How soon after, like, was it more recent that you guys met, like when the show was coming out, airing or how long have you kind of been. Were you able to kind of talk with him before the show came out and like, process the.

[Anthony]

It was a while after we finished filming. I actually, I was on the phone with two of the producers, Nick and Alexis, and I was like, you know, can you send me his contact information so we can talk? And in the middle of me saying that, he said, you know what, mate? That's a bloody good idea. Let me get back to you. Didn't hear nothing for like three or four months. And then that's when we. I went back out there to do the reunion shoot.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I'm so excited for that because

[Host 1]

I feel like a lot of people

[Host 2]

really want to see the behind the scenes of shows and see stuff. So that's why I especially love the last episode that they really like showed. Like, I think it's just, I like geek out over things. Like, I love knowing and learning things. But it's so interesting to see really like the ins and outs and getting to, you know, hear you guys talk

[Host 1]

and see more about the show and

[Host 2]

get to hear from the cast, I think is super special. And I love that they're doing that because a lot of shows obviously don't do that. So I'm excited for myself to see that.

[Anthony]

I'm excited as well. Even though I lived it, I haven't seen the edit, the edited version of. So I'm excited To watch too.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Was it fun for you, like, watching it back?

[Anthony]

Yeah, it's. It's almost like reliving it. I almost want the 36,000 hours or what a film or whatever the number is, just to go back and relive every moment of it.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Last question I have for you is, what do you hope people take away from your story?

[Anthony]

Just be willing to help others. You know, our Lord tells us to. To love our neighbors. Right. So love your neighbor.

[Host 2]

I think that's so special because I feel like I was just talking to someone this morning about this.

[Host 1]

We're in such a. I feel like

[Host 2]

we swung a little too much with the boundaries of, like, setting boundaries and protecting our peace and anything, which I think is important, but I think we need to kind of swing back the other way and have that willingness to help people. And, you know, maybe I don't want to go get lunch with a friend because I woke up and have a headache or whatever it may be, but pushing yourself to do something for someone, I feel like the reward is just so much better. So I think people getting to see you do that with such, for lack of a better word, happy heart, to, like, literally just go and just be a part of this insane journey and be so willing to help and to be Captain Fun and just do all this fun stuff is really inspiring.

[Anthony]

Thank you.

[Host 1]

I love that last little segment is called Lemon 7. But the first question is, what movie

[Host 2]

or song title best describes your mental health today?

[Anthony]

I probably say how far we came by Meek Mills.

[Host 2]

That's good. I like that. Okay.

[Host 1]

Number two is how open are you with people in life when you're struggling?

[Anthony]

When I was younger, not so much. But before. Before this experience, I had recently had started opening up more. More to my family.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Number three is if you could follow

[Host 2]

only three social media accounts, what would they be?

[Anthony]

Espn.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Anthony]

You know, the real big win is.

[Host 2]

I don't know.

[Anthony]

He's a comedy guy.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Anthony]

He's super funny. He never takes anything serious. He makes me laugh. Every video. Every video he posts. So him. And then I would say, like Jordan Peterson or somebody, like somebody that I can look up to and learn and want to better myself from listening to them.

[Host 2]

Those are great. Next question is, what is your favorite form of self care?

[Anthony]

I think I'm gonna. I think we touched on this already. Isolation, just taking time to myself and disconnecting from the world.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Number five is what is the most misunderstood thing about you?

[Anthony]

So I guess I'll say the most misunderstood thing about Me is from, you know, what y' all see and what people say. You know, I'm this outgoing person in which I can be. But it. It takes a while for me to get there. You have to make me feel comfortable, and I have to. I have to feel that you're comfortable around me. Right. For me to get to that level of just being. Being myself.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

So that just. I feel like people would just think normally I'm just always like. Like that, and I'm not always like that. It takes time for me to get there.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Number six is who's had the most

[Host 1]

positive impact on your mental health?

[Anthony]

Oh, my son. My son, for sure. Anytime. If it's been a long day, I'm going through a lot. He can run in there, being loud and crazy, doing whatever he wants, but just seeing his face will always make me feel better.

[Host 1]

Say, how old is he?

[Anthony]

Three.

[Host 2]

Oh, that's so special.

[Anthony]

But he acts like he's 10, though.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

I think he's grown.

[Host 2]

Oh, I know. I'm not. I'm not looking forward to that.

[Anthony]

You should be. All of it is great.

[Host 2]

I know, I know. I. I nannied. I nanny a little girl from 8 months to 4 years old. So I'm like. I am familiar with the early stages years of life, and it's, like, crazy that I'm going to, like, go through it again, do it again. It's gonna be my own child. Just. Just.

[Anthony]

I'll tell you this. The first, like, two, two, three months, maybe like five, when they have to eat every two hours.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

That is the worst part about. But once they get past that and they go. Go to sleeping through the night.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

You'll be all right.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that. Yeah, I've. I have been prepared for that, definitely. Um, I. My friends have definitely told me that one. So I'm just anticipating hell for a couple months there, and then it'll be better. Um, last question is, if you can

[Host 1]

go back to one moment in your

[Host 2]

life, what moment would that be, and

[Host 1]

what would you say to yourself?

[Anthony]

I probably say I would go back to my sophomore year. My sophomore year, I had a lot more. Both my siblings are older than me, so I think once I got to that point, not that my parents stopped caring, but they almost felt as if their kids were grown and I was. Had a lot more freedom than I should have, had made some not so great decisions and made some bad habits. So I would go back and tell myself, like, yo, just slow down. Don't try to grow up too fast and just Enjoy it.

[Host 2]

Yeah. That's sweet.

[Host 1]

Well, thanks for.

[Host 2]

Thanks for coming and chatting with me.

[Anthony]

Absolutely. Thank you. Can I say something?

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah. I hit it.

[Anthony]

Team Jacob, first and foremost. No. So when I was younger, our family nights, we would, like, binge watch movies.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Anthony]

And of course, Twilight. There's a bunch of them. So we would binge them. And then when he commented on the. On the video, I kind of fanned out for a minute. I was like, no. No freaking way.

[Host 2]

No. It's so special. That's how. That's how this whole episode really came to be. Listeners. Taylor commented.

[Host 1]

And now we're here.

[Host 2]

We just. We genuinely are such, like, fans of the show. So this is so fun. And if you guys haven't watched Company Retreat, you need to go watch it because it's so special. And I'm excited to see all this reunion stuff.

[Anthony]

Yes, ma'. Am. Friday. Perfect.

[Host 1]

Love it. Awesome.

[Host 2]

Thank you.

[Anthony]

Thank you.

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