Cameron Rogers: The Honest Side of Motherhood

Summary

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The Squeeze — Cameron Rogers: The Honest Side of Motherhood

Host: Taylor Lautner
Guest: Cameron Rogers
Date: July 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Squeeze dives deeply into the honest and often unspoken realities of motherhood and mental health. Host Taylor Lautner is joined by content creator, podcast host, and mother of (soon to be) three, Cameron Rogers. Together, they discuss the complexities of pregnancy, postpartum experiences, managing mental health, and the challenges and joys of raising children. The conversation is candid, relatable, and rich in practical advice for both mothers and those supporting them.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mental Health Before, During, and After Pregnancy

Timestamps: 00:32–02:29, 17:19–21:57

• Anxiety History: Cameron shares that anxiety was present for most of her life, though it wasn’t until adulthood that she recognized it.

  “I dealt with anxiety majority of my life...I was always the responsible one. I was always the captain...But it was because of my anxiety.” — Cameron Rogers [17:19]

• Inciting Incident: A post-college accident (being hit by a car, resulting in a concussion) led her to journal and meditate, and to start sharing openly about mental health.
• Medication Journey:
  • Originally started on amitriptyline after the accident.
  • Switched to sertraline (Zoloft) during pregnancy, choosing to remain medicated through all pregnancies and postpartums.
  • Emphasizes open discussion about medication and the stigma attached.

  "I was very open about that because I don’t think enough people talk about that...I have so much gratitude for the fact that I was able to get pregnant so easily and I don't like pregnancy and like those two things can coexist." — Cameron Rogers [21:42]

• Isolation & Connection: Sharing her experience prompted a massive response; many women feel alone in their mental health struggles, despite how common they are.

2. Pregnancy Realities: Symptoms, Body Image, and Advice

Timestamps: 07:54–15:18

• Symptoms:
  • Each pregnancy had similar symptoms but got progressively harder; for her, nausea, chills, “lightning crotch,” and congestion were early and recurring.
  • The sensation of “not wanting to be in my own existence” due to heightened smells and body discomfort was discussed with humor and candor.

  “I would, like, fart and be so appalled by myself that I'm like, I just want to exit my own orbit.” — Cameron Rogers [09:54]

• Body Image:
  • Both host and guest commiserate about rapid weight gain and the unfamiliar changes in their bodies.

  “I literally cried on Monday at the Nordstrom dressing room...I know it's fine to say and, like, I can vent to, like, my pregnant girlfriend.” — Taylor Lautner [12:08]

  • Cameron uses playful imagery (“I looked like an orangutan...my boobs are just like...hanging on my belly already”) to normalize the experience [13:10].
• Support Networks:
  • The value of close friends going through pregnancy simultaneously.
  • Having people “in the weeds” with you is invaluable, especially for the 3am texts and real-time support [16:21].
  • Also highlights the benefit of friends further ahead in the journey for perspective (“your baby will sleep, you won’t always be covered in breast milk”).
• Pelvic Floor Therapy:
  • Cameron swears by it for both pregnancy preparation and postpartum recovery [14:26–15:02].

3. Postpartum Depression, Identity, and Healing

Timestamps: 22:07–26:04, 58:40–60:06

• First Postpartum:
  • Cameron describes an identity crisis, exacerbated by COVID isolation.
  • Experiencing numbness and lack of interest in anything outside of her child. [23:46]
  • Notes that postpartum depression can manifest as disinterest/numbness, not just in relation to the baby, but to everything.

  “I just want to sink into this couch. Like I have no interest in anything or anyone or any aspect of my life.” — Cameron Rogers [23:46]

• Recovery Process:
  • Adjusted medication; stopped breastfeeding when it became a negative mental health factor (reminds listeners: “fed is best”).
  • The realization that “two conflicting emotions can coexist”—gratitude for fertility and disliking pregnancy.
  • Healing for Cameron means embracing ‘letting go’, moving from type-A control to a more flexible, accepting approach:

  “Healing for me is letting go...The idea of just letting go and letting be is so healing. The universe has my back, it may not be what I want, but it’ll make sense.” — Cameron Rogers [58:40]

4. Preparing for Parenthood and Division of Labor

Timestamps: 36:59–41:59

• Practical Steps:
  • Advocates for serious division of labor conversations pre-baby.
  • Describes the “Fair Play Method” (book and card system to explicitly split invisible and visible household/parental tasks).

  “If you own a card, the other person should not have to think about it...Your husband should not be your child, and I will die on that hill.” — Cameron Rogers [41:07]

  • The importance of evolving the division as parents discover new dislikes toward tasks.

5. Feeding Journeys: Breastfeeding, Formula, and Unpredictability

Timestamps: 26:27–47:15

• Unpredictability:
  • Every child and feeding experience can be different; normalizing formula, lactation consultants, and having formula on hand is crucial.

  “You could have a complete plan and you have no concept of what's gonna happen.” — Cameron Rogers [47:00]

• Milk Oversupply and Donation:
  • Cameron’s experience with oversupply, turning frozen breast milk into powder for donation/use, and comparing differing milk productions with her sister [44:20–46:38].
• Stigma Busting:
  • Push back against “are you planning to breastfeed?” questions—reminds listeners not everyone has control over their situation.

6. Prioritizing Mental Health with Kids

Timestamps: 52:09–54:46

• Morning Routine:
  • Waking up before her kids is her most sacred self-care tip (even if unpopular!).

  “Waking up before your kids is the number one piece of advice I can give a mom...that time is so sacred to me.” — Cameron Rogers [52:09]

• Other Strategies:
  • Journaling, meditation, exercise (in bite-sized ways), nurturing female friendships, and therapy/medication.
  • Emphasizes that self-care looks different in each life season.

  “Now I'm like, what? I try to do one Pilates class a week, that’s like, a huge win for me.” — Cameron Rogers [53:31]

7. Creative Projects: Journaling as Healing

Timestamps: 54:48–57:29

• Journaling Product:
  • Cameron created “Quiet Your Mind and Busy Your Hands”—a hybrid of journal prompts and adult coloring affirmations, mindful of ADHD brains and needing something tactile.
  • Announces an upcoming pregnancy and postpartum-specific edition: what to expect, symptom trackers, trimester-by-trimester affirmations.

  “I'm a big affirmation girl. Like, I started doing affirmations when I was struggling with body image stuff...so we merged all three.” — Cameron Rogers [55:13]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Feeling Less Alone in Mental Health:

  “Literally everyone in my DMs is saying they’re experiencing the same thing, but they feel alone. And I felt alone. So, like, we’re all going through the same thing, but we all feel isolated.” – Cameron Rogers [17:19]

• On the Mixed Emotions of Pregnancy:

  “I have so much gratitude for the fact that I was able to get pregnant so easily and I don’t like pregnancy and like those two things can coexist.” – Cameron Rogers [21:42]

• On Motherhood’s Identity Shift:

  “I didn’t expect me to not recognize myself so much. And I don’t mean physically, but like what do I care about? Who do I want to spend time with? What do I even talk about?” – Cameron Rogers [22:30]

• On House and Parenting Tasks:

  “Your husband should not be your child. And I will die on that hill.” – Cameron Rogers [41:07]

• On the Temporariness of Hard Phases:

  “If I could tell any first time to be or new mom, everything is temporary—you will not feel like this forever.” – Cameron Rogers [29:16]

• On Breastfeeding Expectations:

  “You could have a complete plan and you have no concept of what's gonna happen.” – Cameron Rogers [47:00]

• On Healing:

  “Healing for me is letting go...The idea of just letting go and letting be is so healing.” – Cameron Rogers [58:40]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Cameron’s Pre-Motherhood Anxiety: 00:37, 17:19
• Pregnancy Symptom Deep-Dive: 07:54–15:18
• Body Image + Self-Compassion: 11:18–13:37
• Postpartum Depression Experience: 22:07–25:24
• Division of Labor (Fair Play): 36:59–41:59
• Breastfeeding/Formula Real Talk: 26:27–47:15
• Mental Health Strategies with Kids: 52:09–54:32
• Journaling for Healing: 54:48–57:29
• Cameron’s Definition of Healing: 58:40–60:06

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Tone & Takeaways

Taylor and Cameron keep the conversation open, humorous, and deeply honest—normalizing every facet of pregnancy, postpartum, and modern motherhood, while emphasizing the importance of support, authentic conversation, and mental health tools. The episode is invaluable both for mothers in the trenches and for anyone hoping to better support the pregnant/new moms in their life. Cameron’s candor and the host’s empathetic, playful approach make this episode a supportive companion for all stages of the motherhood journey.

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Transcript

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a Dear Media Production Was mental health something for you before your pregnancies?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

It was something that I now looking back, can realize. I dealt with anxiety majority of my life. It wasn't until after college I ended up getting hit by a car while I was crossing the street and like suffering from a really bad concussion. So I was on disability. And that was when I started like journaling and meditating and I had this idea of leaving my my job to do this like Instagram food account. So when I left to do that, I remember sitting in my neurologist appointment. The doctor was like, do you find that you're anxious? And I was like, no, I left my job. What would I be anxious about? Like, I'm fine. And my mom and I left and she was like, hey, so like you're very anxious. And I think that was the first time I really like came to terms with it. And so I went on medication. I started sharing about it and it was mind blowing to me. The response, literally everyone in my DMs is saying they're experiencing the same thing, but they feel alone and I felt alone. So. So like we're all going through the same thing but we all feel isolated. I eventually ended up switching medications in that like off period. I had a surprise pregnancy. So I started my first pregnancy not medicated and I had never felt anxiety like that in my entire life. And that's when I started Sertraline. And I've been on that through all pregnancies and postpartums and I was very open about that because I don't think enough people talk about that. I just found pregnancy to like really suck quite honestly. And I have so much gratitude for the fact that I was able to get pregnant so easily and I don't like pregnancy and like those two things can coexist. I think now I'm in such a better place where like I'm still medicated, I still do the things to like prioritize my mental health. But I also feel like with time I've gotten to a place where, like, I know what helps me and what hurts me and I really try to prioritize what helps me.

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Okay, the fact that we are halfway through July is just crazy. This year has gone by so fast. I don't know if it's the same for you guys as it is for me. I feel like part of it went by one because I was down for the count during my first trimester and everything. I just feel like I blinked and it was so slow and then just so quick and over. But I definitely feel like this year

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is just going by so fast and

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on the Note of Pregnancy and Motherhood this episode is super special because I have motherhood and Mental health creator, podcast host of Conversations with Cam and founder Cameron Rogers. Cam is currently pregnant with her third child and I got to ask her all of the questions and really get to learn about what pregnancy has been like for her. She shares about the symptoms she's experienced across all of her pregnancies, why she swears by pelvic floor therapy, and how every pregnancy and postpartum experience has looked completely different for her. She talks about being very open about her anxiety and intrusive thoughts journey and how medication has helped her live a fuller life. She gets candid about her postpartum experiences and her postpartum depression journey, and shares advice for women navigating pregnancy or postpartum right now. She also talks about what she tried to put in place before having a baby, including the division of labor conversations, her experiences with breastfeeding, ampsulation, and how she prioritizes her mental health with kids. Whether you're thinking about pregnancy, you are pregnant, you've had your first, second, third, fourth child. This episode is for you. Cam shares so many great details and honestly, even if you're not on that journey right now, it's important for us as friends to know what our pregnant friends and mom friends are going through. I wish I would have been able to listen to this episode when my friends were pregnant, so I hope you guys enjoy it.

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Cam, welcome to the Squeeze.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Hi. I'm so excited.

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We've literally been talking for like 30 minutes before. No, I'm excited to keep yapping as we've been doing for the past 30 minutes, but I made you uncross your legs because we start each episode off with this jar. It's a game called Citrus Got Real. If you want to pull a little piece of paper out of there and read it to to our lemon drops.

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I love that name for your listeners.

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It wasn't fun.

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What's a compliment that has stuck with you. Oh, God. Are you answering too, or just me?

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I will also answer, but I'm like,

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

what is a compliment that has stuck with me? Okay. This is such an easy out. But, like, my older son will sometimes be like, you're such a good mom. And I'm like, honestly, thank you so much. Like, that to me means more than anyone could ever say. Like, any other. Like, oh, you look so pretty. Or like, you know, oh, that was so great. Whatever. Yeah, that coming from him. And like, when my husband is, like, out of nowhere complimentary of just like, you're just the best mom we could ever imagine. Like, that is the best compliment I could ever receive.

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Yeah, no, that's. Those are good answers. Yeah. I think whenever, whatever my husband tells me, like, he's proud of me, I'm like, yeah. Like, that is like. I'm like, maybe I am like, words of affirmation and all that stuff. Because I. Every. Anytime he says that, I'm like, I'm like, reset. And I'm like, good. For, like, years, I had a funny one. I just had a guest on and they told me that I had the. What was it? The Hertz or. Like, the frequency of my voice was like a calming.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

It is very frequency.

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And they were like, you could do, like, something.

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And I. I feel like a meditation app.

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Like, yeah, I like, I feel like I could not do that.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I do think you have a calming voice.

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That's nice. I feel like my voice is annoying. Like, but I think that's just when you listen, you know, your voice back

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

in your, like, too much I feel about my face sometimes, you know, when you're doing too many recordings and you're editing and stuff, I'm like, I just don't want to look at myself.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

For a very long time.

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Yeah. Well, that's why. That's why I got Botox originally, was because I had just started doing social media. It was back when I did YouTube

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for a very short little stint.

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But I was recording myself and I was, like, so expressive on my face and I was like, oh, like, this is what I look like.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I'm talking to the queen. I'm the most expressive person and I haven't gotten Botox.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And I have a wonky eyebrow that will go crazy, I'm sure, at some point of this recording. And it drives me insane when I watch it back.

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It's so funny. Well, I haven't noticed it, but I've now, obviously, because I'm pregnant in 1980 get Botox. It's like so. But it actually, the timing, I will say was nice because I was starting to want, like, I don't get. I do, like, baby talks. Like, I don't get a lot because I don't. I still, like, want to be able to, like, move my eyebrows, but I feel like almost all of us completely weared off. But before. Before I found out I was pregnant, I was like, I don't think I want to get, like. I think I want to wait it out a little bit before I get some because I was wanting more, like, movement in my face.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I can't stop looking at your forehead. You don't have any wrinkles. Like, none. You don't even need it.

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Really nice. I've been. I've been stressing about my skin.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

No, I'm like, you have a baby face. Like, your forehead is like a. I've also.

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I also feel like I'm really plump right now because I. My OB yesterday told me that I need to just make sure I keep walking every day because just. Just to make sure I don't, like, gain too much weight and I'm like, really, like, hurting and struggling in the end.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I feel you.

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So I just feel, like, very plump right now. So I think that's, like, really filled out the.

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I get it. I'm the same way.

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I feel that we're the same week.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

So.

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Yeah, yeah, it's. It's. It's a fun. It's a fun all the time. What number is this for you?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Three.

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Okay. Oh, so you're like, is it. No. Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Like, I think for me, what helped the first. My husband and I were just talking about this because someone was like, has been. Has this been your worst pregnancy? It has been the worst symptom wise.

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Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

However, I haven't enjoyed being pregnant any go around. And the first, I think was the most daunting and depressing because I really thought that it was forever. And I feel that way about postpartum too. And if we can get into it all. But once you have the knowledge that it's not forever, it does make it easier. So, like, yes, the beginning really sucked this time around. And maybe worse than the others because I also was caring for two kids. But at the same time, I'm like, okay, I know this actually isn't forever. Where I really thought it was with the first, because you convince yourself, what

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were your symptoms with the first and second compared to this one?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

The same symptoms. It just felt heightened with this one, like nauseous. All Day long and just stuck in the back of my throat. I never actually got that sensation of throwing up. This time around I did where I actually felt the release and I did vomit, which was honestly kind of nice. I get, like, really bad chills and shakes that I can't explain. But people who experience it understand. It's like from my. Below my boobs almost to my throat, inside shivers. Especially at night. Like, 6:00' clock to 9:00 clock p. M. Were the worst hours of my day. And I would just be like, literally shaking, but I wouldn't be cold.

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So interesting.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I can't explain it.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Depressive. Like, I get pretty depressed during my pregnancies. Food aversions. But starving. Disgusted by everything. Smell so bad. Like, I don't even want to be in my own existence. Like, I would, like, fart and be so appalled by myself that I'm like, I just want to exit my own orbit.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And then like, the congestion, the massive booze.

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I have no clue about the congestion.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

It's the first symptom for me every time.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

The heightened sense of smell and the congestion.

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Yeah, that was. I think that was my first one. I've definitely. I've now realized, like, my girlfriends who haven't been pregnant pregnant yet, I'm. I'm telling them, like, basically everything is a symptom. Like, anything you can think of is a symptom.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Something that sucks can happen.

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Like, actually everything.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Oh, headaches.

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Yes.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yeah.

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Did those last your entire pregnancy or just more first trimester?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

No, they last kind of the whole time and they got worse at the end also this time around. Like, I've made this joke a few times, but each pregnancy just feels like you're like a used car that's taking another lap around the lot. And, like, I don't mean that in a negative way. Like, it's just the reality. Like, the second time I got pregnant, I remember being like, whoa. My uterus, like, really, like, stretched out earlier because it's like, we've been here and it's already expanded. With my third, I swear I took a pregnancy test and I looked four months pregnant. Like, I looked so pregnant so early on that it was nearly impossible to not share. And I shared as early as I humanly could have with my community. I told everyone in my life, literally the second I got a positive test and, like, the weight gain this time around, I've already gained my entire first pregnancy's weight in 19 weeks. So I'm just done looking at the scale and I'm Just ignoring it. And it is what it is.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's been, I think the, there's been like a lot of things for me, but I think the weight gain has definitely been the hardest one for me because I don't, I, I, I guess I just didn't think that it would happen that fast. I also, like, my, I had like 2 and a half, 3 ish weeks of like in first trimester where I like have a fear of throwing up. So every time I would get nauseous, I would shove my face with bread. And that was also when I was having the food aversion. So it was bread, grilled cheese, buttered noodles, and like Mac and Ch. And so I literally gained like 12 to 15 pounds in two weeks. And I like completely just had a meltdown and like saw myself naked in the mirror for the first time in like a couple weeks and was just like, what is going on? Like, how is this, like, happening so quick?

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But I kind of had to.

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And I'm so, I, I literally cried on Monday at the Nordstrom in the Nordstrom dressing room. I've been there. Um, but it's so funny and like, you know, I, I sound silly saying it, but like, I know I, like, I, I know it's fine to say and like, I can vent to like my pregnant girlfriend.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Sounds silly. I think it's the reality.

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Yeah.

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I also think it's really, really hard in the beginning and at the very end.

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Yeah.

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Because in the beginning you almost feel like, my cousin once said, you just feel like spongebob. You're just squishy everywhere, but you're like, square.

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Yeah.

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Then when you get a bump, it's like, okay, at least it's clear I'm pregnant and I can kind of try to dress this I under the bump pants with a top or something.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

The beginning is just confusing as all hell. Cuz you're like, is this bread and bloat or do I have a baby in there? Yeah, the end is honestly just like a little. It's just, it's crazy.

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Yeah, you're just huge.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

But you also are so aware that there's a baby in there and that you're close. So I really find the beginning the hardest with the body stuff.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I am struggling right now. I literally looked in the mirror last night and I was like, I'm an orangutan. My boobs are just like. You know those videos of orangutans, like, breastfeeding?

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I don't know what you're talking about.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

That is how I feel. Like, it came to me last night. I was gonna start seeing my body. I was like, I look like a orangutan. Just like, it.

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It's just.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

It. It doesn't feel like me. And I'm like, It's just uncomfortable. Like, my boobs are hanging on my belly already.

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No.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And they're touching.

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That is such. And I've never had, like, I've had, like, a little under boob, like, sweat, like a little something. But, like, now it's like, I'm sitting in there for, like, when I don't have a bra, and they're like, fully on my stomach, and I'm like, I literally will have to take my shirt and, like, foot when I don't.

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I actually was on a work call,

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and luckily it was just like, you know, it was all girls and one of them is also pregnant, and it was fine. But literally, during the work call, I literally did the boob tuck with my shirt, and I was like, I just did that while on a video. Like, that is not like, I'm clearly comfortable with you. But also, like. Like, that is. That is the one thing. But they're right. Yeah, that's definitely. I feel like.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And I will say with the third, the pain is earlier. Like, I get really bad. Lightning crotch. I don't know if anyone's told you about this.

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I've. I've. I got it.

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I had it for, like, two weeks, and now it's kind of gone away.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Okay. So it sucks. As you know. It literally feels like a knife is, like, going into your hoohah. And it was really bad at the end of the. My other pregnancies and, like, sciatica and just all of that pain. And that has all started earlier. So I have already started my, like, once a month massages. I do pelvic floor PT every three weeks. I'll move it up to every two weeks as I get closer. And then potentially every week at the end, like, I don't think enough people talk about that. Pelvic floor PT is so helpful.

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Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Especially before delivery. Definitely after delivery for, like, recovery. But to prep you.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And, like, help with pain that you don't even potentially realize is related. So doing things like that, I'm just trying. Just like, we're just trying to exist.

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We're just trying. I know. I feel like, luckily there's so many people that are pregnant right now, so it is really nice being able to talk to so many people. Like, two of my close friends are pregnant and game Changing the fact that like we, the three of us have just been able to like text all the time and be like, can we eat this? Is this normal? When did this happen?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Is it there first?

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Yeah, it's all, it's, yeah, it's all of our first. So it's been, it's been really nice to be able to like just talk about it with someone because I mean, my husband is lovely and he's the most person but like he can't, he'll never get it. Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

No, like they can be the best husband in the entire world. They will never understand.

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Yeah. So it's nice to be able to like even just be like, I feel fat today. And they're like, me too. And I'm like, great, we're in this together.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I also will say I have two best friends who are in the same boat right now. We're like three weeks apart. But it's. This happened with my second too. It's helpful during pregnancy. It is so helpful during postpartum. Like I will say 10 times more helpful to have those people who are close in your life who are really in it with you.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And I always think that there is benefit to having friends in different stages of life. You know, like having a friend who is maybe a year ahead of you who can be like, oh, don't worry, that's not forever. Like your baby will sleep or like you're not always going to be covered in breast milk or those types of things.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

But having someone that's in the weeds with you is really beneficial to like be texting at 3 in the morning when you're both up feeding.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Or being like, oh my God, are you going through this sleep regression or how are you handling teething? The people who remember it because they're in it.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Is really beneficial.

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Okay, that's good, that's good to know.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I know we've like you'll rely on them a lot.

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I'm, I'm very thankful, very thankful for that. Okay. I want to get into like mental health. You talked about postpartum, but I guess like starting men, you're very open about mental health and pregnancy and postpartum, everything under the sun with that. Was mental health something for you before your pregnancies? Was that something that you dealt with?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yes, it was something that I now looking back can realize. I dealt with anxiety majority of my life. It was like high performing anxiety. So, you know, I was always like getting these accolades mainly around sports, not necessarily around school. Academics until college. But it was like I was always the responsible one. I was always the captain, those types of things. But it was because of my anxiety. And I remember very vividly having, I don't know why, like the end of time really freaks me out. It's not death, but it's that like, time never ends. And it's like a very specific trigger for me. And I remember as a kid multiple times having this conversation with my cousin who's now my right hand and producer. And we would be like, I feel like I'm going to throw up. Like, we have to stop talking about it. Not knowing that it was like an anxiety attack feeling coming on. And so then it wasn't until after college when I was working in like a very corporate. I was in sales and trading and like all of my overachieving, high functioning, competitive things were like really well suited for that industry. But it turned the dial up on all of them and I was so go, go, go. Like, there was one way and that was the only way. And it was fast. And if you were slow, get the hell out of my way. Like, that was just how I was. And I actually, I ended up getting hit by a car while I was crossing the street and like suffering from a really bad concussion. So I was on disability. And that was when I started like journaling and meditating. And I had this idea of leaving my job to do this like, Instagram food account that I had that I was making no money off of. But I was like, I can health coach and I can like meal prep for people and maybe like write rec. So when I left to do that, I remember sitting in my neurologist's appointment for like post concussion treatment. And my mom had come with me because I was still experiencing these symptoms. And it was a very emotional topic for me at the time because it was very trauma related to the accident. And so she was like, let me just come with you and like, take notes. And in it, the doctor was like, do you find that you're anxious? And I was like, no. I left my job. What would I be anxious about? Like, I'm fine. And my mom and I left. And she was like, hey, so like, you're very anxious. I was like, what do you mean? Like, I left my. I'm not anxious anymore. I don't work there anymore.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And she was like, yeah, but it wasn't all tied to that job. Like, you definitely struggle with anxiety. And I think that was the first time I really, like, came to terms with it. And So I went on medication that was to help anxiety, but also specific to, like, post concussion symptoms, Amitriptyline. And at that time, I had a platform that was very small, but I started sharing about it because I've just always felt very comfortable talking about these things, for sure. And it was mind blowing to me. The response of people being like, thank you so much for saying you're on medication, like, I'm on medication, excuse me. And I feel so isolated, like, I don't know anyone else, anyone else that's on meds. And I was like, literally everyone in my DMs is saying they're experiencing the same thing, but they feel alone. And I felt alone. So, like, we're all going through the same thing, but we all feel isolated. And this was 2018, so it was a little bit before we were all so open about this, for sure. And then I eventually ended up switching medications because I had said I wanted to try to get pregnant. And they were like, okay, we don't want you to get pregnant on this one. Let's take you off, see how you feel, and then potentially put you on one that you could get pregnant on in that, like, off period. I had a surprise pregnancy. So I started my first pregnancy not medicated. And I had never felt anxiety like that in my entire life where it was just this, like, buzzing level of energy that I could not stop. And it wasn't anxiety around the health of my baby, it was just this, like, constant hum. And that's when I started Sertraline, which is brand Zoloft. And I've been on that through all pregnancies and postpartums. And I was very open about that because I don't think enough people talk about that. And I know so many people have fear over, like, stopping medication when they're pregnant. And I just found pregnancy to, like, really suck, quite honestly. And I have so much gratitude for the fact that I was able to get pregnant so easily. It's such a privilege and I feel so fortunate. And I don't like pregnancy and, like, those two things can coexist. And I felt very depressed and anxious, and my first postpartum rocked me. And I was very open about that. And I think now I'm in such a better place where, like, I'm still medicated, I still do the things to, like, prioritize my mental health, but I also feel like with time, I've gotten to a place where, like, I know what helps me and what hurts me.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And I really try to prioritize what helps me.

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Yeah, I, I love that. What, what was your first postpartum like?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I think the. I think a lot of it stemmed from the identity crisis in the matrescence, which is the like evolution of becoming a mother, which is equivalent to an adolescence period for children. And I just, I also think it's important to note it was during COVID which I didn't know played a role until I experienced a postpartum, not in Covid afterwards, because that was all I knew.

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Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

So there was obviously heightened level of health anxiety around that. But I just felt like my life had been turned upside down in a way that I was not prepared for. And I didn't expect me to not recognize myself so much. And I don't mean physically, but like what do I care about? Who do I want to spend time with? What do I even talk about? Like, what are my interests? What is my job now? Like, how much time do I want to spend working? Do I want to be with my kid more? All of those things. And it was just this feeling. I. I just have this one very vivid moment that like explains how I felt the first few months where I. It was probably end of summer, so it was like four months postpartum and we were at my parents beach house, which is like my happy place. My sisters were there, everyone was hanging out and I just kind of like walked away from everyone and went upstairs and my husband came and found me and I was just like sitting on a couch in a dark room, not doing anything. Like I wasn't on my phone, I wasn't watching tv. I was just like sitting there. He was like, what's going on? And I was like, I just want to sink into this couch. Like I have no interest in anything or anyone or any aspect of my life. It was just like a complete disinterest.

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Yeah. And was it almost like a numb feeling?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

It was very numbing. And I had felt like. I had always thought postpartum depression was feelings towards your baby of like that not feeling connected or you know, what we see and hear about of like the baby gets put in your chest and you don't feel connected, which happens to many people. That's not necessarily like a sign of postpartum depression or the only sign. And mine hit me a little later and it was almost around this four month window when like I kind of started getting back into life again. And I just felt like my kid was the only thing I loved and everything else I felt completely numb towards and disinterested and Disinterested in my own being as well.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And so that was when I obviously, like I talked with my psychiatrist. We changed my dosage. I personally decided to stop breastfeeding shortly after that, which I think played a huge role in that. Everyone has different emotions around breastfeeding and lots of opinions fed is best. I don't care how you feed your baby.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And that really helped me. And I don't feel like it was until that nine month window that I was like, oh, I am like my own human. Like I'm allowed to do things for myself and have interests for myself and like prioritize myself. And that I think opened a whole new world of also accepting that like two conflicting emotions can coexist at once.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Because I would feel this layer of guilt if I ever felt like, oh, I want a second to myself or I'm touched out or any of the other emotions that we feel outside of positivity, which is just the reality of motherhood.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, thank you for sharing all that. I love like just learning about, like I'm. I think the thing that stresses me out about being pregnant is I like want to be like, I love being prepared. Like I am like an over preparer for things and so I like want to know like every possible thing that I think that's also maybe just like the nurse background in me.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Right.

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But I like want to know everything that's possible. So that's like really like, it's almost not a reverse postpartum, but like different again. Everything is a symptom. So I feel like.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yeah.

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With postpartum, like anything could happen.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Only consistency about pregnancy and postpartum is that everyone's is different and every single one is different. Like my second postpartum was so different than my first. I'm very curious to see how my third is. But like I totally get the desire to prepare.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And you also kind of have to just be like, you gotta be willing to accept what comes your way and work with it.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think the biggest thing I'm like preparing for what you were saying is the breastfeeding thing. Like, I just feel like I now

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Like I had a girlfriend whose baby

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was like allergic to her breast milk and had to go my second. Really.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

It like it made him hysterically cry and so uncomfortable and spit up. Like I've never seen a baby spit up in my life.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

From my breast milk.

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Okay. That's insane. I had never been like, I cut

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

out all the Things.

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Yeah. I never heard that before. And my girlfriend is, like, very. She's one of the. She's very healthy, like, clean person. And so I'm like, I'm literally, like, having formula, like, have it on hand. Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Like, I think that's a number one thing.

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And that's what my consultant. Yes. Okay. Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I need to try to find one before you give birth.

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I need to do that because, like, you need to remember to do that.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I always say, like, before you're pregnant, having a therapist and a prescriber, and then before you give birth, a lactation consultant, because you never know what could happen. Like, my two feeding journeys were completely different in every single way.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And. And having someone that you already have a relationship with, even if it's just one call, so you know that they're available or like, potentially in your network or whatever for them to come, because it's going to be like a. We need you now.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Whatever we're doing isn't working.

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Yeah, No, I already, I texted my therapist last week on, because I'll see him. Like, I see him, like, if nothing's going on. I see him like, once a month.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yeah.

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And since being pregnant, I've kind of seen him like, twice a month. But I texted him last week and I was like, I, like, actually, I, I can't. My, My brain is, like, acting very weird, so I need to, like, come see you. So now I'm like, back to weekly seeing him because I'm like. Yeah. And I feel like I, I feel like I'm having a lot of realizations too. Like, I'm like, everyone's like, pregnancy just, like, gets you, like, so deep in your thoughts of thinking things. But then I'm also, like, borderline, like, trying to figure out, like, if I am feeling like I, I. This month I'm so busy, so I feel like I'm kind of distracting myself, but I'm like, am I feeling, like, depressed? Am I trying to, like, cover up how I'm feeling with how busy I am? And I'm not, like, addressing how I'm feeling or is it just my. I don't know how I'm feeling about myself?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I mean, there's so much going on when you're pregnant, and it's so hard to, to decipher what is what and why you're feeling a certain way. And it's every possible emotion you could feel so heightened.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I think, like, being gentle with yourself, which is the most annoying advice. But, like, honestly, no, I've.

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I Have had to tell myself that

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

so important and reminding yourself, like, if I could tell any first time to be or new mom and everything is temporary. Like you will not feel like this forever. And that is what I struggled with a lot during the first postpartum. I was like, I love my kids so much and my life is ruined. Like, I'm never gonna sleep again. My body is ruined. I'm always going to be covered in breast milk. My life revolves around a schedule of him eating and, and sleeping. Am I ever going to see people again? Will I ever have anything to say other than like what his like poop consistency is? And it's so temporary. And like that I think was so freeing during my second postpartum. So I was like, oh, it's okay. Like he'll sleep one day. I won't have to clean and feed bottles all the time. Like I won't feel like my husband's my roommate forever. You know, like it's, it is so temporary, but it feels so permanent in the moment that it's really daunting.

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you kind of like, tried to put into place before? Like before your first or even second, like, you know, date nights with your husband or anything? Was there anything that you tried to do, even things for yourself? Yeah, like try it that you tried to implement before.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Baby, I will say division of labor. I am like, like gung ho on division of labor. I could write a TED Talk on it.

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Great.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

We had a dog before we had a baby and we had lived together, which is probably obvious, but I felt like my husband originally, when we were dating, moved into the apartment that I had already lived in.

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Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

So it kind of felt like I had already had all the, like, home tasks. And when he moved in, I just kind of kept them. And. And I started. I vividly remember this one moment where, like, the toothpaste tube was running low and you know how you're like curling it up and stuff. And I had this thought to myself where I was like, if I don't buy new toothpaste, would he go buy toothpaste? And so I secretly had my own tube of toothpaste that I was using to see how long it would take for him to be like, I'm going to go buy toothpaste. And then one day he was like, I think we need new toothpaste. And I was like, yeah, think like, why? But why are you telling me? You know, like, why haven't you gone and bought the toothpaste? And that was when my mentality shifted around it, where I was like, I'm not owning all of these tasks, and I know I did because I lived here first. But, like, this is not my house that you live in. And when we had a dog, the same thing happened where we really configured like, okay, who's doing morning walks? We were in an apartment. Like, who's doing morning walks? Who's doing afternoon? Who's doing night? Whose responsibility is what? And that was the first time we had to really, like, put someone else's needs before our own. And I want to say it was after we had our first. I found out about Fair Play Method by Eve Rodsky, which, like, I highly recommend to any parent, new parent or not. And Fair play. Yeah, fair play. There's a book, but there's a deck of cards.

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Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And she's come on my show. It's one of my favorite episodes. Like, she's awesome. Her work. So within the deck of cards, there's like a card for.

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My husband's gonna hate.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

He's gonna hate this. Yes. No, literally, husbands will be like. Like, screw you. Yeah. Like, my friends husbands hate me because I'll be at their house and, like, I'll watch them do something and I'll look at them. I'm like, talk about weaponized incompetence. Get up and go do it. And Joe's like, why do you do this? I'm like, because this is ridiculous. Like, this is insane. So it's a deck of cards. Every single card. You can do it if you don't have children. And there are cards for, like, house tasks, like, who's buying the groceries, who's making the grocery list, who's filling the fridge, who is noticing that you're out of said groceries, who's buying the toilet paper, whatever. Then there are cards if you have an animal. Then there are more cards if you have kids. So, like, who's doing the doctor's appointments, who's doing the school forms, who's doing school drop off, play dates, camp, all of the things. And you sit down and you decide, like, who owns what task. And so before we decided, we went through it and we picked up all the tasks that we owned. And it was very clear that my stack was a lot higher. And I was like, see, a lot of the stuff I do for a kid at the time we only had one is invisible labor. It's like the mental aspect. You think I'm just buying diapers, but I'm doing the math in my head. How many. How many packs of diapers do we have? When will he run out? How many does it go through a day? Is he still going to be a size 2 next time I order, or should I Get half size? 1/2 like, it's constant with children. Yeah, constant. Don't even get me started on the clothes aspect of it all. So we reconfigured the cards, and the concept is, if you own a card, the other person should not have to think about it. So, like, for instance, cards he owns, I literally don't think about. I couldn't tell you what day is trash or recycling or putting gas in our car, which, like, sometimes bites me in the ass or, like, other things like that. And he doesn't know when our next coterie shipment is coming, because that's a task I own.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

So splitting that up, I find is essential. But the concept being, like, every relationship is gonna have different amount of cards held depending on, like, your jobs and your hours and what works for your family.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

But I fully believe with equal partnership and, like, your husband should not be your child.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And I will die on that hill. Like, I should be able to walk out the door of our house and be like, hey, I'm going away for three days. I love you. I'll see you later. And he should know how to run every single thing. With our children, with our house, all of it. And it's insane to me how many people are married, single moms because their husbands do jack shit. So I will say, having conversations around division of labor before child is important. And you can't know beforehand what task you're gonna want, because you might think, like, oh, all, I won't mind cleaning the bottles. Like, I don't mind doing dishes. And then you're going to be like, I don't want to look at a bottle again in my entire life. So I think you can talk about it and then really assess after the baby is born. Like, actually, I despise doing this, and I don't. This.

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I have, like, these weird moments.

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It's literally like every other day I'm just laying down and I'm like, I. This baby's gonna come out of me. Or, like, I'm pregnant. Or I, like, just, like, there's. It's just so funny. And I've, like, really, like, started to feel, like, movement, too.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yeah.

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So that's just been like. I just got the first one on camera, and it wasn't even. I felt, like, the biggest move, and I was like, let me just fill my stomach. I was laying in bed to see if I would, like, catch anything, and I did a main tail. We're like, oh, my gosh, this is, like, crazy.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

That's when it really feels weird, especially towards the end, where I'm like, there is a human. Like, some of the movements at the end are so insane. The weirdest thing for me was after my first was born, I remember, like, they put him on my chest, whatever. Like, we clean him off, we swaddle him, and I'm like, you're cute. Like, you're. You're cooked. You're human. You were in here like that. Because in my head, you're an alien.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

You know what I mean? Like, I don't think of, like, a cute baby being in here.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I don't know what I think of. But, like, I was looking at him, like, three hours post delivery, being like, you were just, like, scrunched up in there. It's. It's so crazy. It's crazy. It's superhuman. Alien is what I call it. Like, you're literally creating a human.

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Like, how it. I just. The. My ultrasound photos, I just got back. You could see the cord in the photo, too.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And it's crazy.

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And I'm like. Like, you can literally see the spiral of the cord in this black and white thing. I'm like, this is crazy.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

The placenta is wild.

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But did you do something with.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I encapsulated mine.

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Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Both times, and I took them.

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Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I kind of stopped with my first because I had mastitis twice. Like, very early on. I think I had it, like, five days postpartum, which is a sick joke. And I had a really bad fever. And, like, something about it was, you weren't supposed to take the pills if you had a fever. Probably just, like, to protect that. Like, I don't know if anything really could happen, but whatever. And I feel like I never got back into the routine of taking them.

[Host - Possibly named 'Squeeze' or similar]

Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And then they also made, like, a tincture that was supposed to help with, like, PMS symptoms, which is ironic because I suffer from pmdd, but I've just been, like, too creeped out to ever use it, because if I look in the bottle, I can see, like, a chunk of my placenta. I'm like, that's just, like, too much for me.

[Host - Possibly named 'Squeeze' or similar]

That's so funny.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

But the pills, I was fine with.

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Yeah, I know. I'm thinking about doing that.

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turn your frozen breast milk into powder.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yes, I've done that.

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Okay.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Okay. So that wasn't a thing that I knew of with my first in 2021, but with my second, like I said, my feeding journey journeys were completely different. And I have a mass oversupply with both, so I had all this breast milk in our freezer. And when my second. We decided that my breast milk was actually making all of his, like digestive stuff a lot worse, I was like, okay, well now I have all this breast milk. What am I gonna do with it? And I hadn't like properly tracked at that time, like there. If you want to donate it, there are a lot of things that you have to like do beforehand, kind of whether it's like the dating or like your diet. And I was like, I don't know when. I know this was like within the last few months, but I don't have the exact date. All these things. But I had a few friends. I knew my sister was going straight to formula and she wasn't having her milk come in eventually when she had her second. And I knew my other friend was about to have twins through surrogacy. So I looked into that and then we had it turned into powder because it has a longer shelf life. So then I was able to give like split it between my sister and my friend to give them. And like, I marked like certain bags I had marked colostrum, which is like more important if they're like sick or in the first few days. And like we were able to mark the bags of powder milk, which was like, it's so awesome that that's an option. And I just like, I don't know. Something about thawing breast milk to me, like that mental. That task of like bagging milk, freezing it, thawing it. I never used my frozen milk with either kid. Cause I was just like, I hate this process. I gave my first frozen stash to my sister.

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Okay. Now I literally just learned that. And my best friend has a six month old at home and she's like, she's. We can call her Mama Cow. She's like, just has. She produces so much milk. It's amazing.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yeah.

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And her fridge or freezer is completely socks. She just donated a bunch. And she's like, still is like producing so much and I'm like crazy. I need to, I need to tell her about it. I forgot to text her yesterday.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

The different levels of production is wild.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And like you would think it's like biological. My sister and I would sit on a pump for 10 minutes and she would barely get an ounce. And I would have like 8 to 10 ounces. And it's just like so wild how everyone's different. Supply is.

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Yeah, I can't, I can't think about it or I can't think about it. But that's I think I'm just. I'm not expecting because obviously people have asked me if I'm planning to breastfeed.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

But like, that's such a crazy question to me.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

For so many reasons. But like, you could have a complete plan and you have no concept of what's gonna happen.

[Host - Possibly named 'Squeeze' or similar]

Correct. Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Like your kid could not mesh with your breast milk. Your kid could have both. My kids had tongue ties and a lip tie. Like I had inverted nipples with my first. Like, you just have no idea.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And so like when people even ask that, it's like, well, who knows?

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Yeah.

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Being a mom and mom of multiple and soon to be another multiple. How, how do you prioritize your mental health? Like, what does that look like for you?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Okay, this is the most annoying advice. I, I fully realize that like whenever I say it, it's so annoying. And it doesn't always happen right now because I'm pregnant. But waking up before your kids is like the number one piece of advice I can give a mom. And I get that no one wants to hear that a hundred percent. But for me, especially as someone who likes, like navigates with overstimulation, that time is so sacred to me. I've always been a morning person. I've always loved my morning time of like, silence. Like, my family knows when we're together. Like, don't talk to me for the first 30 minutes of the day. Like, I like to be by myself. So waking up ideally before my kids and just going downstairs. I'm not even saying you have to like, do anything crazy. You can. I mean, sure, like, I would love to meditate and like, some mornings I journal, but oftentimes I just like sit and have a glass of water in literal silence and just stare into the abyss for 10 minutes. Like not going on my phone so that no one needs me. Because I think as a mom you're like constantly being needed and having that time where you're just you is really nice to start the day.

[Host - Possibly named 'Squeeze' or similar]

Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

In an ideal world, I would love to like get a workout in and have a coffee and like take a poop before my children wake up. But like, that doesn't happen every day. So that's like the number one Thing I mentioned, like, meditation, journaling, exercise is a big thing for me.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

It doesn't at all look like what it once did. I used to be, like, such a class person. I would be, like, in a Pilates or a hit class, like, four times a week for an hour with like, a 20 minute commute each way. That's insane to me. Now I'm like, what? I try to do one Pilates class a week. That's like, a huge win for me.

[Host - Possibly named 'Squeeze' or similar]

Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Otherwise, it's like 10 to 15 minutes of, like, a program literally on my mat in the kitchen while the boys are, like, playing around me after they've eaten breakfast. Female friendships. Like, I don't think we talk about the importance of those enough when it comes to mental health. I prioritize and protect my female friendships so intensely. And so whether that's like, just group texts or that's girls nights, it could be a dinner out. Most of the time it's like, sitting on a couch and hanging out in someone's backyard. I play tennis once a week with a group of girls. Like, that is really important to me.

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Prioritizing time with my husband. Like, I would love to say we're better at it than we are. We're a work in progress. Pregnancy also makes that hard, but I do think it's really important. And then the obvious of, like, therapy and medication.

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Yeah. You have a journal? Yes.

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Can you tell me about that?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yes. And I have one for you. It's called Quiet your Mind and Busy youy Hands. And it really started because I wanted to somehow integrate modalities that, like, helped me and my mental health. And, like, journaling has been a staple for me over seven years. And I felt like whenever I said I journaled, people would be like, what are you writing? Like, do you need prompts? You know what? I don't. I never know what to say. And I'm like, I just talk about the weirdest shit. I don't know. I just start writing. So I didn't want to make just, like, any type of journal because I was like, okay, well, what's gonna set it apart? There's so many. And for me, as someone with adhd, I always want to do something with my hands and I'll notice, like, if I'm talking to someone, I'm doing something. Or like, you know when you're watching TV and you, like, grab your phone and then you're, like, watching a show and you're scrolling. And I don't think that social media consumption helps my Mental health. I know it doesn't for sure. And I noticed how meditative coloring felt when I had kids. And we'd be coloring together and my kid would, like, walk away and I would still be coloring. And I'm like, oh, wow. That time passed. And I'm a big affirmation girl. Like, I started doing affirmations when I was struggling with body image stuff like, eight, 10 years ago. And then it went more into, like, self worth and, like, encouragement. And I do it with our kids all the time. So we merged all three where it's journal pages and then adult coloring affirmations. And all of the affirmations are these, like, five by eight images. So you can also cut them out and frame them five by seven. Sorry. So, like, they fit in a standard frame.

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[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And it's like, such a labor of love. I love the product so much. We also have a kids edition, which I'm obsessed with.

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Oh, cute.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And, like, I do think we'll probably lean more into kids moving forward because it's. It's just, I think, also so important. And then we have a new edition coming out, which I can tease on here because it's very timely to this conversation. But it's a what the fuck is happening to my body edition. So it's specific to pregnancy. It's broken down into first, second, third, postpartum. And within each, like, trimester, there is, like, kind of text about my experience of symptoms and, like, laying out kind of what to expect. And then there are tracker pages for you to track your symptoms and emotions and feelings throughout each week. And then all of the journal prompts, affirmations, and images are, like, pregnancy related. And I'm so excited for that one.

[Host - Possibly named 'Squeeze' or similar]

Oh, my gosh, that's so exciting. I recently got into journaling. Probably, like, Like, I think towards the end of last year, I really consistently got into it every morning, and it was like, my favorite thing. And then when first trimester came, then it kind of, like, slowed. And I'm trying to, like, figure out my way back into it, but I'm really excited.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

I also think that's something that plays into the whole conversation around, like, depression and pregnancy. It's like, am I depressed or am I also just, like, simply trying to survive and don't have the energy to do all the things that help me not be depressed?

[Host - Possibly named 'Squeeze' or similar]

Yeah. Like, so out of my routine. That makes me, like, even, like, lighting a candle. I'm like, I can't smell this candle. Or, like, doing skincare. Yes. Dishes in the morning. Like, I, I, my, I love skincare. And now I'm like, I can't use any of my products. I'm breaking out so bad. Like it just is.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

There's even just like the task of washing. Like I would be at night and I would look in my bathroom. I'm like, I do not want to go in there and do any. Not even like a face wash or like showering. Like the simplest self care.

[Host or Producer (Intro and Transitions)]

Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Felt like a mountain to climb in the beginning. And so it's like, sure, maybe I'm also depressed, but I'm also not waking up before my kids. I'm not meditating, I'm not journaling, I'm not exercising, I'm not eating like nutritious foods. I'm not doing any of the things. So it's just like such a mountain. But in reality, like, you can't expect to do all those things. You're creating a human.

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Yeah, that's, that's a lot. That's very true. It's a lot. Okay, last question I have for you is what does healing mean to you at this point and in life?

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Healing for me is letting go. I used to be a really type A control freak and children completely changed that for me. And I'm so grateful for that. And I feel like continuously I am more and more just like let go and let be. And like I always say the universe has my back in a way that I'm like, not. What's meant to be will be, but it'll work. And it may not be what I'm expecting or what I want, but it'll make sense. And I think that is like very healing for the 20 year old me who used to just be so tightly wound and obsessed with everything and like overanalyze over plan. High strung. Yeah, like that is so healing to me. The idea of like is just such an easy example. If I were going anywhere on a trip, I would have like every single meal planned out and it was part of my orthorexia. Like I would have to know what restaurant, what I was getting, everything and like have a full itinerary. And if you traveled with me, like it was probably exhausting. And now I show up places, like I've gone on trips with friends and we get there, I'm like, where are we staying? They're like, what is happening? I'm like, I don't know. Joe booked the flights. I, I assume you booked a hotel. If we're all going together in Airbnb, like, what are we doing?

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Yeah.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And they're like, you are a different human.

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[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

And that is very healing to me.

[Host - Possibly named 'Squeeze' or similar]

I love that. That's so special. Well, thanks for coming and chatting. I'm so excited about your journal.

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We'll also leave a link to your podcast, which also. I might.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Yes. Beyond.

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We also might. We'll try to look in the same. In the same outfits, in the same positions. But I love it. Well, thanks for coming.

[Guest - Cameron Rogers]

Thank you so much. Please note that this episode may contain

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