Mr. Fantasy: Say Yes To Love

Summary

The Squeeze — Episode Summary

Podcast: The Squeeze
Episode Title: Mr. Fantasy: Say Yes To Love
Air Date: January 7, 2026
Hosts: Taylor Lautner & Taylor "Tay" Lautner
Guest: Mr. Fantasy

Episode Overview

This vibrant, heartfelt episode of The Squeeze welcomes the enigmatic and rapidly rising musical talent, Mr. Fantasy. With the signature blend of insight and playfulness that defines the show, hosts Tay and Taylor Lautner dive deep into discussions of creativity, mental health, love vs. fear, fame, and self-acceptance. The conversation blends wisdom, humor, memorable metaphors, and a touch of the mystical — all with an emphasis on what it means to say yes to love and stay true to oneself in a world caught between fear and authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Curiosity, Spirit Animals, and Connection

[00:06–03:35]

• The episode begins with an open-ended discussion about the act of "sniffing" as a metaphor for curiosity and love.
  • “Sniffing is more of a curious action … it comes from love. It’s curious. You want to know more.” — Mr. Fantasy [00:06]
• The hosts and Mr. Fantasy playfully assign each other spirit animals—beavers, monkeys, and meerkats—which leads to talking about their personalities and unique traits.
  • Mr. Fantasy notes the value in animal innocence and unpredictability, relating it to human vibes and spirit.

2. Friendship, Love & Relationships

[08:02–12:23]

• The Lautners share how they met (through Taylor’s sister) and quickly felt their deep connection. Mr. Fantasy discusses the seriousness and daily choice involved in committing to someone.
  • “I imagine you choose that person every day.” — Mr. Fantasy [09:10]
• The importance of best-friendship within a marriage is emphasized.
• The conversation covers boundaries and alone time in relationships, with Tay admitting she values alone time while Taylor is more codependent.

3. Fame, Overnight Success, and Staying Centered

[17:36–24:36]

• Taylor asks Mr. Fantasy about his recent “overnight success.” Mr. Fantasy pushes back, framing fame as an ephemeral perception and insists he has always been himself, even before people paid attention.
  • “Fame is this thing that doesn’t really exist … it’s ephemeral, it’s a perception thing.” — Mr. Fantasy [19:14]
  • “We can only choose love or fear. Any other ideas are just derivatives of those two … it’s about love and fear.” [20:30]
• Both Lautners and Mr. Fantasy discuss the perils of buying into public reaction, and the importance of remaining steady through life’s peaks and valleys.

4. Fear vs. Love, Doubt, and Manifestation

[24:36–37:41]

• The theme of every human oscillating between fear and love dominates this section.
  • “Fear is what wraps our bodies in clothing. Love is what allows us to stand naked.” — Mr. Fantasy [33:48]
• Mr. Fantasy shares his celibacy and abstinence from masturbation as a means of protecting his creative innocence and energy.
• The concept of manifestation—using thought, word, and action as creative force—is repeatedly celebrated through playful tongue-twisters (“manifestation!”).
  • “I’m not discovering myself, I’m creating myself. I get to do that with all of the things that God’s given me. Thought, word, action. Manifestation.” — Mr. Fantasy [49:29]

5. Creativity, Originality, and Artistic Legacy

[28:09–33:09, 57:03–59:02]

• Mr. Fantasy underlines the idea that everyone has a “particular type of genius” to give the world, and it’s a responsibility to share it.
  • “We all have a particular type of genius that we’re born with … it’s our responsibility to give it to the world.” [28:23]
• He rejects the notion of emulating or measuring himself against other artists, saying he feels no pressure and that “no” is a complete sentence.
  • “The answer is no, and that’s that. … never feel like you have to give an explanation for your no.” [57:51]

6. The Power of Presence, Experience & Self-Belief

[51:02–53:39]

• Mr. Fantasy credits wisdom to presence and being attuned to experience in the moment, rather than to any innate superiority or knowledge.
  • “It comes from everywhere and nowhere … experience is the greatest teacher.” [52:28]
• The hosts reflect self-doubt, which Mr. Fantasy addresses by encouraging acknowledgment of individual uniqueness and rejecting fear-based thinking.
  • “Say absolutely not [to fear]. … I am the most remarkable human being created exactly how I was meant to be.” [33:36]

7. God, Spirituality, and Magic in Life

[53:44–54:29, 35:03–36:00]

• The panel openly discusses belief in God, referencing Jesus as a model and celebrating connection through love.
• Mr. Fantasy marvels at everyday miracles—music, physics, rainbows—and sees evidence of the divine in daily life.

8. Mental Health & Self-Care Practices

[54:39–59:00, 64:01–67:41]

• Mr. Fantasy lists self-care activities that include music, helping others, swimming in the ocean, and small, tactile rituals (like touching fruit).
• Tay’s form of self-care is sitting in the sun; Taylor enjoys cooking and giving to others.
• They agree that moving the body, helping others, eating well, and allowing oneself time and patience are vital tools.
  • “Everything is temporary. The way you’re feeling is never going to last forever. And thank God for that.” — Mr. Fantasy [66:33]

9. The Legacy of Love

[59:02–74:33]

• When asked what kind of legacy he hopes to leave, Mr. Fantasy focuses not on tangible achievements but on giving “every drop” of himself before moving on to the next realm.
  • “I hope to have left every drop that was left in me… I don’t want to leave anything behind. I’ve got to give it, give it, give it all.” [59:52]
• Taylor echoes this: “If I can leave one thing behind, I want it to be every drop of love that I have within me.” [62:03]
• Tay adds that for her, leaving a legacy around mental health—especially encouraging others that they are not alone—is primary.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Fear controls. It contracts, it runs, it hides. Love shares. It opens up, it sends out, it reveals, it embraces.” — Mr. Fantasy [34:06]
• “You have a particular type of genius that you’re born with — give it to the world.” — Mr. Fantasy [28:26]
• “We shouldn’t really look at people as being up here … suddenly, we’ve put ourselves down there … we’re all equals.” — Mr. Fantasy [71:09]
• “Say no to fear, say yes to love. Love is free and it’s accessible at all times … and it’s in you, which means you are it, which means you are perfect.” — Mr. Fantasy [73:51–74:23]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:06 — Sniffing as a metaphor for love & curiosity
• 03:35 — Spirit animals & personality discussion
• 09:10 — The daily choice and seriousness of love/relationships
• 18:24 — Rejecting the label “overnight success”
• 20:30 — Love vs. fear
• 28:23 — Everyone’s “particular type of genius”
• 33:36 — Overcoming fear & self-doubt
• 49:29 — “Manifestation”—the power of creating oneself
• 59:52 — The legacy of leaving “every drop that was left in me”
• 66:33 — Everything is temporary; the value of patience
• 73:51 — Final mantra: “Say no to fear, say yes to love … it’s in you … you are perfect.”

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Episode Vibe & Takeaways

The tone is warm, whimsical, and occasionally playful but repeatedly drops into profound territory. Mr. Fantasy’s philosophy is all about radical openness, maintaining innocence, and fiercely protecting creative energy. Hosts Tay and Taylor create space for genuine vulnerability, swapping reflections on love, fame, mental health, and existential purpose.

Biggest Lessons:

• You're never alone in what you're going through.
• Self-doubt and fear are universal, but can be met with self-love and curiosity.
• Give all your gifts—don’t hold back out of fear.
• Love is infinite, perfect, and already inside you.

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For New Listeners:
Even if you’ve never heard of Mr. Fantasy, the episode is a refreshing elixir of positivity, heartfelt wisdom, and encouragement to embrace both your own weirdness and your gifts. The playful yet direct exchanges make for an uplifting, relatable listen for anyone invested in mental health, authentic living, or creative courage.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a dear media production. Sniffing is more of a curious action.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

As opposed to sucking. It comes from love. It's curious. You want to know more? I'm always sniffing things.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Trying to get to know the insides of something.

[B]

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Absolutely. Mr. Fantasy. Welcome to the Squeeze.

[A]

Very lovely to be here. Thank you. Thank you.

[C]

Thank you for being here.

[A]

This is my first podcast, so I'm very, very excited about that. I love having new experiences.

[C]

Was it scary to you, to yourself, out there?

[A]

No. If you are aware that you are the most remarkable, spectacular creation, you have no reason to fear anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do I feel pressure? Do I feel pressure? No, I don't. I don't feel pressure.

[C]

No.

[A]

Can I just feel pressure? Yeah. I'm celibate. Do you know what I mean? I don't masturbate. Oh, okay. Yeah.

[C]

You know, I see, like, all of your videos and, man, there's so much humping and stuff. I'm kind of surprised that you haven't.

[A]

You're brilliant. I'm sort of just. Do you know what I mean? It comes very, very naturally to me because our feelings are really the most honest purveyor of truth. We're all born with that doubt. It's fear. It must not win. Fear is what wraps our bodies in clothing. Love is what allows us to stand naked. I'm not discovering myself, I'm creating myself. I get to do that with all of the things that God's given me. Thought, word, action. Manifestation.

[C]

Manifestation.

[A]

Manifestation.

[C]

Manifestation.

[A]

Manifest. Dash.

[B]

Man.

[A]

Manifestation.

[B]

I don't think my mouth can move that way.

[C]

Manifesting.

[A]

Seriously, what would your spirit animal be, though? I sort of see you. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

What?

[A]

And by the way, when we talk about spirit animals, it's a very interesting thing. I love talking about this because everyone sort of has a vibe.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And animals are my favorite things because they're very pure and they're very unpredictable. And everyone sort of has a vibe. It's a mixture between the physicality.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's a mixture between the internal vibe. Spirit.

[C]

Totally.

[A]

And you sort of remind me I'm scared of either a meerkat.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

A seal.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Or a beaver. Okay. Yeah, both. All three. Very wonderful animals, too.

[C]

You're fans of those?

[A]

Yes. I love beavers.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

What is it about beavers?

[A]

I'm a monkey. I think. I think I'd quite like to be.

[C]

I've never seen that. Orangutan.

[B]

Yeah. They reached there. It was good.

[A]

Yeah. So that's yours? Yeah. Wow.

[C]

I'll take it. I'll take it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

A beaver.

[A]

Would you think that I'm sort of like a monkey?

[C]

I can see it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I can see it especially.

[B]

I feel like you like, you know monkeys, like, I feel like they like to touch things. Like they're very, like, tactile. Yeah, I feel like that. I feel like you're very much like.

[A]

They're very curious, but so are beavers.

[B]

Really.

[A]

I'm not sure if you guys have seen beavers, but they're very cute. They have a very, very. Their coat is so warm and it keeps them all throughout the year. David Attenborough. I watch a lot of National Geographic.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And the beavers are the pack animals and they're very sophisticated when it comes to building dams and building homes and stuff like that. They have underwater tunnels and stuff like that. So, yeah, it's a good thing to be a beaver. Yeah.

[C]

So you think I'm smart?

[A]

I think you're a lot of things and smart being one of them. Yeah. I will say, quite good looking and quite good looking.

[C]

Thank you. Thank you. Well, I guess this is a good point to welcome you, Mr. Fantasy, to the Squeeze.

[A]

Very lovely to be here.

[C]

Thank you for being here.

[A]

Yes. After our initial TikTok experience. Yes.

[C]

So for listeners and viewers watching and listening, I want to give them a little background how we made this happen. So we're both big fans of yours and I didn't know how to reach you because I'm like, surely I can't just DM you. I'm sure they're just filled right now. So I was like, I'm going to make a TikTok and put it out there into the world and just like, pray that you see it. And thankfully you did. You responded with your own TikTok.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And here we are. We made it happen.

[A]

Exactly. I was in the plane actually, too, when I saw that TikTok on the Wi Fi.

[C]

Oh, my.

[A]

And I sort of just popped into the bathroom, do you know what I mean? To. To send you a message. Because I thought, wow, he's really right there and he's talking to me. And I was a big fan of your movies, too. A lot of the. Yeah, I was a big fan of the Twilight series. And so I've got a lot of questions for you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Just a bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We can. We can interview each other and this.

[A]

Is my first podcast. Is it? Yeah, this is my first podcast. So I'm very, very excited about that. I love having new Experiences.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

New experiences.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You can learn so much from a new experience.

[C]

Well, what an honor to have you for your first podcast.

[A]

The honor is mine.

[B]

I'm assuming. I know, but were you. Are you Team Jacob?

[A]

Yes, obviously. Yes, Very much so, Taylor. Yeah, very much so. And the reason why that is is because I'm more of a fan of. You know, I love the way that you inhabited the werewolf and the sort of what comes with being a werewolf, the sniffing, the sort of prowling and the ferociousness that comes with that, and the sort of questions I had for you, which we can get into later. But it's this question about animals, and it's very much always been an interest to me, especially when I'm watching on screen, you know, on big screen, an animal and then the mix between human and an animal, because we like to assimilate ourselves to certain animals. And it's brilliant, isn't it? Because I just can't get that out of my head. You sort of on all fours, sniffing. Sniffing about. Do you know what I mean? And so to inhabit that kind of thing, you know, I was wondering what shape you were going to take today. You know what I mean?

[C]

Fair enough.

[A]

And I would like to see it if you can, at any point, if you could sort of turn into that for me at some point. I would love to see.

[C]

Yeah. Once we turn the cameras off, I think I could show you a little something.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. I still got it.

[A]

And so you are very aware of that, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what you're in for.

[B]

Yeah, I do. And fun fact for you, I actually was Team Edward.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Growing up. But now that I'm married.

[A]

Reasonable.

[C]

Disgusting.

[A]

Questionable.

[B]

Yeah. But now I'm Team Jacob and everything is right in the world.

[A]

And. Can I say something?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The reason why I immediately gravitated to you and the pack of wolves that were surrounding you is because sniffing is more of a curious action, as opposed to sucking. Sniffing is. I believe that there are two. All human actions are derived from really two key emotions, and I think it's love and fear. Sniffing is a lovable. It's a very. It comes from love. It's curious. You want to know more?

[B]

Sucking.

[A]

Sucking is taking.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And the vampires, they just. They want to take everything. They want to suck it. Although they did have good hearts. But the purity of the werewolf just really resonated with me.

[C]

I agree. And that's. Yeah, that's really special. Hearing you say, I'm always sniffing things. Yeah.

[A]

Trying to get to know the insides of something.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's my.

[B]

It's almost like a forgotten sense. Like, what are the five senses tastes like? I feel like sniffing is one that is often forgotten.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

It's special.

[A]

It is very special. You watch dogs, they sniff everything. Yeah. And then what they do after they do that, they lick everything after that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If they want. If it smells good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, moving past that. Whatever you want. Whatever you want. Whatever you want.

[C]

Well, I'm honored that you're team Jacob because, I mean, my wife isn't. She is now.

[A]

And so how did that happen?

[C]

So you.

[A]

How did you two meet then?

[C]

My sister introduced the two of us. Really?

[A]

So you were friends with Taylor's sister first?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Right.

[C]

New friends. But the second my sister met her, she was like, you guys need to meet.

[A]

And then how soon after that did you. Sort of.

[C]

We moved pretty quickly.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah, pretty quick. I was. I was leaving town to go shoot something in London. Yeah. And I was like, I need to lock this up before I leave. So.

[A]

Right.

[C]

We got to it.

[A]

Brilliant. And then you're married too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's brilliant.

[C]

Lots of sniffing.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I just went on a date on Tinder. I saw that. Yeah. And I sort of thought about similar things in terms of love and sharing life with another is a very, very serious thing to choose. And it can be very difficult to commit to something like that. And so I have a lot of respect for people who. Who have done that and do that, because it's an everyday thing. I imagine you choose that person every day.

[C]

Yeah, totally. It's. It's changed, I hope, both our lives. But I can say at least my life for the best. For sure.

[A]

Brilliant.

[C]

Beautiful thing.

[A]

Best friends. Best friends.

[C]

Yes. That first, before anything very important.

[A]

You get sick of each other.

[C]

Sometimes she gets more sick of me than I get sick of her.

[B]

I think it's more so I like alone time. And Taylor could never have alone time and be fine, but I need alone time. Yeah.

[C]

I'm a pretty codependent person and she likes her alone time.

[A]

And so is there any sort of things that you do to make sure that that happens? Do you sleep in the same bed? Question. Some people don't do that. Do you know what I mean? I've heard, you know, John, do you sleep in the same bed as your. Yeah, yeah, he does. He does. Also, people don't like to do that. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

I know.

[A]

Fair enough. Yeah.

[C]

I know.

[B]

We know people that are married that don't do that.

[C]

Yeah, we'll see if we can.

[A]

What's your opinion on that?

[C]

Most of the time I see it, it's with couples that have been together for a while, and it's like, I prefer, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sleep is very important.

[C]

Yeah, it is. That's the one thing that we do, we don't struggle with. But it's been a point that I've had to make, is I don't like touching while sleeping. She'll want to put her foot on me or something. I can't have anything touching me when it's sleep time. It's sleep time. Get on your side of the bed, I get on mine.

[A]

Yes. Right, right, right. Clear boundaries. No, I like to very much be connected and right there with the person if I am. That's what I imagine.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That's what I imagine.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I haven't yet really had the experience of that. I mean, I share hotels rooms with John. We've been traveling. Separate beds. Yeah. But sometimes he'll fall asleep. Do you know what I mean? And I'll sort of watch him sleeping.

[B]

Yeah. And do you ever just, like, get into his bed or.

[A]

I've thought about it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I've thought about it, but I'm not sure how he would react to. How would you react to that, John? You wouldn't like that, would you? No, John wouldn't like that. That's why I didn't do it.

[C]

At least you read the room.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. He probably wouldn't like that, waking him up like that. But I have thought about it. Yeah. But he's very, very. He looks wonderful when he sleeps. Don't you, John?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We share hotel rooms and stuff like that. I love it. He's now just.

[C]

He seems like a good guy.

[A]

Yeah. He's gone from employee to friend quite quickly.

[C]

That's a beautiful thing.

[A]

You don't get too excited, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Don't forget.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

[C]

Wait, while we're on this subject, are. Are you dating? Have you dated? Is there anybody right now? What's going on?

[A]

I would say, you know, I learned a lot from my date on Tinder and Tinder. Amazing platform where you can really. I've never been done that kind of thing before, and I met some wonderful people. And I've just realized, I think right now I'm just sort of enjoying, you know, my life, making music and sort of doing that. But I had a wonderful date with wonderful Abby who smell like cookies. Oh, wow. Yeah. But I love to meet new people, and right now I'm still exploring? Yeah, still exploring.

[C]

Love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[C]

I am so curious because it's. I think, you know, even just a few months ago, nobody really would have known who you were. And just in these last, like, few months, you have just skyrocketed. I'm sure you can't even like, walk out of our house right now without, you know, being noticed.

[A]

But Santa Claus might know.

[C]

Santa might know. Santa Claus.

[A]

I might know.

[C]

We do have Santa out there. There's a lot of talk about overnight successes and. But so often there's behind the scenes stuff that people have no idea of. Would you consider yourself an overnight success or is there a lot that people don't know of that's gone on into making Mr. Fantasy?

[A]

Brilliant question, Taylor. I would not consider myself an overnight success because an overnight success implies that you were something and have now become something else. I have always been the same. And it's the wonderful thing about success and fame. There's a wonderful book called Martin Eden about a wonderful writer who seeked for success to be a famous writer and to be with the cool people and to be all of this, all of that. And he attained it. He got there and he made it in his eyes. And he couldn't really understand why he didn't feel different. All of the people that he wanted to have validation from suddenly now validated him and he didn't feel any different. He thought, I'm the same person that I was two years ago before you guys knew of my books and stuff like that. What is it about me now? Because fame is this thing that doesn't really exist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's ephemeral. It's not really there. It's a perception thing. And I think that. Yeah, overnight success. No, I don't think so. And I try not. I try not to. To the more that I buy into. And I'd love to hear your experience about that too, because I'm sure you had a similar thing when you sort of began your career and stuff like that. As soon as you buy into these. To anything reactionary things of, of something that you've done, people loving what you're doing, if you sort of lean into it too much, you can get carried away.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

And life is like this. It's peaks and valleys. And I think the most important thing is who you are, you know, in the middle through line. We're all creating our lives in the moment.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Every thought is. Is creation. Every. Every word is creation. And yeah, I think. I think no is the. Is the. Is probably the answer to that. Yeah. Yeah. Although it was. It was a brilliant experience to have people listen to the music that is very sacred to me that I've been writing for a long time that I want to continue to share with people. And I choose to look at the positive side of all of that. You know, we can choose to choose, like I said, love or fear. And any other ideas are just derivatives of those two, I think. Just the same twist, different twist on the same theme, but it's about love and fear. And I try and remember that every morning. I think, what am I going to choose? Am I going to choose love or am I going to choose fair? Because I know that everything comes from one of those, and I'm not. I really have trained myself to sort of choose love. Cause I feel better.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

What about you? What was your experience like with that?

[C]

I think for me, I had the perception for a lot of people that it was an overnight success. Like when Twilight came out, it's like, oh, where did this guy come from? But for me, I started acting when I was eight. I starred in my first feature film, Sharkboy and Lava Girl, when I was 12. And I really. It was a much longer journey than it looked like to most people that got to know me once Twilight came out.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So, yeah, I mean, but I hear what you're saying. I'm curious if. Cause I know you've been writing and, you know, this is you. You are just sharing yourself with the world. Was it. Was it scary to you to put yourself out there? Like when you released Your first single, Mr. Fantasy? Like, was that. Were you afraid of what people might, you know, perceive it?

[A]

No, I was not afraid. And I don't want to sound, you know, I'm not afraid type of thing. Yeah. But I just wasn't afraid because I.

[B]

Knew.

[A]

If you are aware that you are the most magnificent creation, that you are the most remarkable, spectacular creation.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You have no reason to fear anything. And that is the way that my higher power wants me to live. Yeah. My higher power wants me to know that I am the most remarkable, spectacular, unique, specific, appropriate, all inappropriate, all of these things. And if I know that and if you know that there is absolutely nothing to fear. And. And. And that has really Helped me in the way that I create.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I see my creations as. As the same thing. I am creating something that I very. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's part of me. And. And so once I give it away, it's no longer. It's no longer with me anymore. And people can sort of interact with it in any way that they choose. But no, I was not afraid. And for anyone out there who is, you know, apprehensive to release something from themselves that they've created, I would encourage you to. You know, you can't change anything overnight. And it requires change of habit in the way that we think in order to. To have things be constant in our lives. And I would encourage people to really find out where that fear comes from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then to face it and to learn from it and to feel what that is feeling. And, and, and. And because our feelings are really the most honest purveyor of. Of truth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is how we feel. Don't listen to anybody else. I mean, we're very. It's. It's much safer to interpret the opinion of someone else than it is to sort of seek the message that we're getting from right now, right in front of us. A lot of us listen to people from 2000 years ago. Do you know what I mean? And it's much safer to interpret the message of someone from 2,000 years ago than it is to actually just find out what am I getting right now in this experience? Right now I'm sitting across from two wonderful people right now that I could learn something from. This experience, to me, is everything. Because it's happening right now. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

And that excites me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the exciting thing about life, isn't it? Because you don't know what's gonna happen. I was talking about monkeys earlier.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And beavers and stuff like that. Do you think a beaver when he's swimming in the ocean or a monkey. Hopefully not in captivity. You know, in the wild, in the natural habitat. Yeah. Swinging from trees. He's not thinking about anything else other than the next branch he's grabbing or the next thing he's seeing. Curiosity. You look at children, dogs, they become the most important thing in the room.

[C]

Why?

[A]

Because they're innocent and they're very unaware. And that's what I love about life. And what I want to protect is my innocence at all costs and my purity. Because I think that. That is the fuel for my creativity directly. Directly fuels my creativity, and it is the way that I connect with my higher power by keeping my vessel pure.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't really. I'm celibate. Do you know what I mean? Okay. And I don't masturbate. Oh, yeah. Haven't masturbated in quite a long time.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Yeah. And that's something that I have chosen to do just because I like how it makes me feel. Makes me feel like I'm rocking it, man.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Brilliant.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

That's.

[A]

I just.

[C]

I mean, now it makes sense, but, you know, I see, like, all of your videos and, man, there's so much humping and stuff. I'm kind of surprised to just know and learn that you haven't ejaculated.

[B]

Yeah, brilliant.

[A]

Brilliant. In my imagination. You know what I mean?

[C]

It's just a lot of dry humping. Yeah.

[A]

A lot of dry humping. Yeah. Yeah. Where does the humping come from? It's a primal instinct, isn't it?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's sort of funny to me, that movement of sort of just.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It comes very, very naturally to me.

[C]

It really does. Yeah.

[A]

And it's. It's. You shouldn't be afraid to express. To express, for sure. I mean, and you know, in a way that you're. You know, that you're not hurting or harming anyone else. I think that that's all right. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. How has it been?

[A]

I'm not going around humping anyone. Do you know what I mean? Except for John. Except for John in the hotel room. Come here, John. Let me.

[B]

How has it been, seeing the reaction and how people have just really resonated with your music, Ben? Like, I'm sure that's like your music is like your baby. Like, I'm sure that's so exciting and fulfilling to see people really resonate and love what you're putting out.

[A]

Yeah, it is. It is. Before I answer that question, I just had an extreme feeling of gratitude for being here right now with you guys and having this experience. I'm very grateful for it. I've never had the opportunity to really dive in. And this feels just like we're just sort of sitting around just having a chat.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I quite like that vibe. Yeah, I like that vibe. You know what I mean? Chill. But to answer your question, I've spent a long time with these tunes, and to be in a place in my life where I have people supporting me I have John. I have brilliant partners who are helping me with this endeavor. It is. I'm extremely grateful to be able to share my music and to be able to continue writing my music. And the process is ever expanding. It evolves, and I want to include everyone in on that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it feels. It feels wonderful. It feels very good. And we all have something. We all have. And I always love to say this, but we all have a particular type of genius that we're born with.

[B]

That.

[A]

We have to give the world.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The best that is within us. We are designed with this, I believe. And I think it's our responsibility to find what that is and then to give it to the world to share it. Because otherwise, if you're not sharing it and that. That's what I'll say to people who are afraid of sharing whatever it is. It's your responsibility.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's what you were made to do. And if you feel that compelled, the fears. You know, fear is often an indication of something that we seek. And so that's why I say look into what that fear is, because it will probably show you a very, very honest side of yourself that others could learn from and others could take something very, very positive from. That's what I've learned about myself, of seeing the people on my TikTok on the street, sort of the joy in their faces means everything to me. It's exactly. That's the reason why I make music. It's the reason why I do it. It's the reason why I. I am always encouraging myself to be who I am because it makes people happy.

[B]

Yeah. Do you feel any pressure now because the reaction to the songs that you've put out have been so great. Does that. Do you feel pressure and knowing the.

[C]

Effect that they have on people?

[A]

Right.

[C]

Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Does that up the ante.

[A]

Only puts a smile on my face? That's it. I don't. I don't. I don't feel pressure. Not at all. Because I know that I love every single song. Not more or less than any. Any other, but it sort of just is what it is and just. I just sort of let it. Let it be. But no, I don't. I don't feel. I don't. I don't feel pressure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do I feel pressure? Do I feel pressure? No, I don't. I don't feel pressure.

[C]

No.

[A]

Can I feel pressure? Yeah.

[C]

Okay. That's great. I could use more of that because.

[A]

Are you guys. Are you musicians? Any of you guys?

[C]

No, I wish.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[C]

I Could use some lessons from you.

[A]

What kind of music do you guys like to listen to?

[C]

I'm pretty all over the place.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And can I ask you a question? How old did you know? Because clearly you are. You know, I know more about Taylor. I'd love to get. I'm going. I'm going to get to know more about you, I promise. Do you know what I mean? But I'm very familiar with his work and stuff. Are you aware that you are especially gifted in what you do and that you have something to offer the world and that and that. And if so, when did you know that inside of you and how do you interact with that sort of part of yourself?

[C]

It's a good question. I do know it objectively, but I struggle a lot with self doubt. So that's. That's why I love this conversation and the notion that you've made that each of us like you are you. Nobody else on this planet is you. You like off what you have to offer the world is unlike.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Anybody else in this room. It's unlike Blythe. It's unlike John. Yes. Unlike her.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[C]

Sorry. You have a name.

[A]

Brilliant. Love that.

[C]

This chick.

[A]

That was a brilliant moment. That was a brilliant moment.

[C]

Did you get that?

[A]

Yeah, we did.

[C]

It's a. It's a beautiful thing and I need to. I need to form my brain to work on that more and realize that, you know. Yes. I do have special gifts that no one else has and I can do something with them.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. Brilliant.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Doubt. Doubt. Doubt. Doubt.

[C]

Doubt.

[A]

It really? That doubt? Yeah. What is that doubt? We're all born with that doubt, aren't we? We're all born with that doubt. Where does it even originally come from? Do you know what I mean?

[C]

It's gotten worse for me as I've gotten older.

[A]

Right.

[C]

That makes sense because when like you were talking earlier, kids.

[B]

Yeah. You're not aware of.

[A]

Right.

[C]

As you get older, you start to learn more about, I don't know, you start questioning things more and questioning yourself.

[A]

Is doubt related to. Do you think. Is doubt directly related to what you think of yourself or what other people think of you?

[C]

That's a good question.

[A]

Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because if doubt is related to what other people think of you, then what does that really mean? That doesn't really. I don't know.

[C]

More times than not, it starts with what other people think of you and then it becomes what you think of yourself. And I could say that I think that's what happened with Me is. And I don't even know if it was true. But, you know, I think you, you put this perception into your brain about what people think of you, and then you start to believe it yourself.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's fair. Yeah, it's fair. And, and it must be. It must not win fear. I refuse.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I refuse to let fearful thoughts take over. I absolutely refuse it.

[C]

Do they ever pop in?

[A]

Of course they do. Yeah.

[C]

And what do you do?

[A]

I say no. I say, absolutely not. I say absolutely not. I am the most remarkable human being created exactly how I was meant to be created. And I believe that everyone else is too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I say absolutely not. You will not. You will not come here and you will not speak to me. Because fear is what wraps our bodies and clothing. Love is what allows us to stand naked. Fear controls. It contracts, it runs. It hides.

[B]

Love.

[A]

Shares. It opens up. It sends out. It reveals. It embraces. And that fear is riddled in many different facets of, of our lives. And a lot of people choose it without really even knowing that they're choosing it by, by the things that they listen to, by the things that they watch and by the things that they allow into their, into their bodies. News and stuff like that. And it affects the way that we feel.

[C]

It affects the way it take you over.

[A]

It takes us over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I, I. I refuse it. I refuse it. I refuse it. That's right. I don't do it. I don't do it. And neither does John. Needed to. John.

[C]

John. Can you confirm the things that we.

[A]

Talk about are only like rainbows and butterflies and stuff? Yeah. We saw a rainbow on the way here. Did you? And we stopped and we looked at it for about how long was it, like 12 minutes, 13. And.

[C]

Oh, that's why you were late.

[A]

Good excuse, though. That was a rainbow. There was a rainbow. But that moment right there, I was looking at the rainbow and I thought, that's magic to me. You know what I mean? That's magic. I mean, you can explain it with physics and stuff, but so is that. That's magic too. Physics is magic too. But that's a sort of clear indicator to me. Wow, there really is a God. There really is a God. And by God, I don't mean, you know, a bearded man up in the sky looking down upon us saying, james Franco is my master. I'm saying, you know, the cosmic thing that connects us all. Through love, through love. Through love. Through love. Through love. Through love. If I do not go within, I go without. And love is inside me. And I have the same power of God inside me that you have. God gave us that same power of creation. Our thoughts are creative manifestation. Our thoughts, when we think something, it creates on some level. When we think and speak something, it creates on another level. When we think, speak, and do something, it becomes manifest in our reality. You can't do something without first believing it. And that's faith to me. And that's manifestation. That's the same way that God created the heavens and the universe and everything. We have that same power. And I think there were forms of humans back then that actually could do that kind of stuff. Do you know what I mean? They had this special power that I don't think that we have now. We have different kind of power. We've created very cool technology stuff. Look at TikTok. Brilliant. Look at people that go to the moon and stuff like that. Absolutely wonderful. Can't believe how they do that. But yeah, I think that we all are really capable of a lot more than we even know. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, way more. Way more. Way more. We're creative beings. Yeah, we can. Boom. You know the stories of Jesus, the guy Jesus back in the ages and stuff, he healed people. He said, healed, Boom. Healed. I think that there are people that still have that type of energy. Yeah, there's. There's people who can form miracles. The Buddha. The Buddha he was sort of a cool guy with, who was sort of a master, too. His soul had reached a mastery type of level where he could. He could perform miracles. It's not out of our reach, guys. Yeah, it's really not. I mean, look at what music is. That's a miracle to me. It's magic. You listen to it. It was made somewhere else. Someone in China is listening to it. Someone in Russia, Afghanistan could be listening to it. What is that keeps me up at night? I don't get it. I really don't get it. I'm constantly asking John, how does that even work? Do you know what I mean? Don't worry about it. You handle it. You handle it. I'll be the creative genius, you be the whatever you are. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

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[A]

Oh, could this vintage store be any cuter?

[B]

Right?

[A]

And the best part? They accept Discover. Except Discover in a little place like this? I don't think so. Jennifer oh yeah, huh? Discover's accepted where I like to shop.

[B]

Come on baby, get with the times. Right.

[A]

So we shouldn't get the parachute pants. These are making a comeback. I think. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that that take credit cards nationwide, based on the February 2025 Nielsen report.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, James Franco.

[B]

I would love to know.

[A]

Ask me anything you please.

[B]

Where did your love for him start? How did I saw you got into contact with him? Taylor told me I missed this. You met him in person? Yeah.

[C]

She didn't see that. You did meet him. Right. First I saw you FaceTimed with him.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then didn't you meet him?

[A]

I did.

[C]

How was that? And did it live up. Sorry. Let's go back to where this started. Why you love James Franco so much.

[A]

Brilliant. For a start, I've loved James Franco's movies. My favorite actor. Favorite actor. Yeah. So just, you know. Yeah, favorite actor.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

And so when I came to Los Angeles, I thought, he probably lives here. Let me jump on a computer, went to an Internet cafe, jumped onto a computer. Is James Franco live in Los Angeles? Is James Franco live in Los Angeles? Autocorrect. Autocorrect. Thank God for that. Anyway, so did that. Yes, yes, he does.

[C]

He does.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And I became obsessed with the notion that I could potentially be right down the road from him at any point.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean? And you know, you think about something a lot. You almost sort of become what you think. And that comes back to our thoughts manifesting our Reality, our thought can take over who we are. It starts with thought. And this is harmless because, you know, I love James Franco. But I became. The obsession grew, do you know what I mean? And I just wanted to know who he is. After watching his films for a long time, after admiring and being inspired by the actor that he is and the creativity that he exposes. He's an artist. He paints, he makes fashion stuff. And I thought, what a brilliant guy to sort of get to know. He looks like he's had a life. He's been through a lot.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And I. And I. I asked John, I said, we, we got. Enough's enough, mate. Do you know what I mean? Enough's enough. Let's sort of get in touch with him and John, what's on the TikTok? He showed up and said, I got his number and I called him. And he was very charming. Do you know what I mean? Very charming, very kind. The lovable guy that I expected him to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I said, let's hang out, whatever. Never heard from him for about a few weeks after. And then literally last week I go to an event and next door is James Franco. And the night before that, I made a video about TikTok, about manifesting your reality.

[B]

Wow. Oh, wow.

[A]

And there he was, just happened. And I just thought, God, yeah. You know what I mean? But that sort of thing happens to me a lot when things just sort of happen. You're thinking about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's the power of thought to me. Thought and manifestation.

[B]

What's that saying? And people are like, don't meet your heroes because it could ruin it. But you didn't have that experience.

[C]

I didn't think it was good.

[A]

No, it was a very good experience. And you're also one of my heroes. And it hasn't been so far.

[B]

It's.

[C]

So far it's good.

[A]

Very, very good. Okay, very good. Very good. Because you have a pure sword soul, Taylor. You have a pure soul. You're very kind, and I can feel your heart. And I'm sure Taylor can attest to this. Another pure soul that I met recently was Robert Irwin.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Pure soul. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Monkey.

[A]

Monkey. Animal.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You sense the purity in someone like that. And I'm drawn to people like that. I'm sure that's maybe what you were drawn to in Taylor, do you know what I mean? And I love meeting people with that sort of childlike kindness type of energy, because it opens the door to me to walk in and say, I can Be me. Yeah, I can be me. Thanks for letting me be me.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

You know what I mean? And John's like that, too.

[C]

Oh, yeah, that's sweet.

[A]

What a beautiful.

[B]

We need a camera on John.

[C]

You guys have.

[A]

Right now. Keep the camera off him. You don't want to see him. Do you know what I mean? Boring. No, I'm just kidding. I love you, mate. Love you, love you, love you.

[C]

Question. Yes. Because I'm sure a lot of our listeners would want to know because Dancing with the Stars is a big thing right now, and people love Robert Irwin. When you met him, I'm sure you did some sniffing. What would you say he smells like?

[A]

You know what? It's tough for me to get a good sense of smell when there's sort of a lot of other people in the room. I need more of an isolated sniff. And I sort of didn't really get that with him. It was a fast sort of thing. There were people there. People there. And I. I don't like to. To make an assumption. Okay. So next time I meet him, which I'm. I'm. I'm gonna do it.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I'm gonna do it. You know what I mean? I'm gonna go see that guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's gonna show me some animals.

[C]

You'll get a more accurate.

[A]

I can't wait. And when I do, I'll come back. I'll let you know.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I'm sure he smells absolutely brilliant.

[C]

Looks like he'd smell good.

[A]

Lots of shades on that man. Do you know what I mean? Lots of scents, lots of shades, lots of things to know.

[C]

Incredible moves.

[A]

I can't wait to get to know him.

[B]

Yeah. What keeps you grounded and humble? Because sitting here, you've, like, you've just been. I feel like spewing wisdom and just very grounded energy.

[A]

Stop that.

[B]

I'm serious.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What. What keeps you grounded like that and not let all of this fame and attention get to you?

[A]

Oh, wow. I've never been asked that before. The understanding that I am only here for a short time.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do I want to focus my energy on? I want to focus my energy on what I know I was born to do, which is to make music and to give something positive to the world. To bring forth the best that is within me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Always. That's. That's. It's to strive to be a better person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And start with the man in the mirror, Michael Jackson. I'm starting with the man in the mirror. I'm asking him to make a change.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're very, very, very, very, very quick to start pointing our fingers at other people first. Let's get our own house in order. Do you know what I mean? Which I'm still doing. John's still doing. Very much so. Very much he is. Very much he is. And I think that that's the key. That's the key. That really is the key to focus on yourself until you're ready. You know what I mean? Here's an interesting thing. Here's an interesting thing. We're only here for a short time. Think about that. Think about that. What that actually means. What do you want to focus on? You can be whoever you want. You can be whoever you want. We can choose whoever we want to be. Life is. Is. Is. Is not a process of discovery. It's a process of creation. We're creating ourselves in whatever format we would like to do to be whoever we want to be. Now, in saying that, I need to stress that, you know, because I think about this a lot. Can you really just be whoever you want or whatever you want? I think that that is sort of saturated our culture right now. You could be whatever you want, because it's true, you can. But I think first, in order to do that, you must know truly who you are first. Before you start, you know, diving into to. To being whoever you want to be. It's very important to understand and know the love inside of you first. But I think. I think that that is why I. Why I enjoy waking up every day, is because I get to choose who I'd like to be in relationship to whatever is in front of me.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I get to create myself. Not discovering. I'm not discovering myself. I'm creating myself. And I get to do that with all of the things that God's given me to do. That thought, word, action.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Manifestation.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Say that with me.

[C]

Manifestation.

[A]

Manifest manifestation. Getting.

[C]

We're getting there.

[A]

Taylor, your turn. Go. Come on. You have to try it. Please. For me. Please. My Christmas. Come on.

[C]

I got it with you.

[A]

My Christmas gift.

[C]

Manifestation.

[A]

Let me teach you something else now, because this is another good one. I want you to add something in. It goes like this. Manifest. Try it. The field of freedom.

[B]

I don't think my mouth can move that way.

[C]

I think it is impressive how it moves.

[A]

Manifest. That was good. Remix in unison together. One, two, three.

[C]

Manifesting.

[A]

You took control of me there. You took control of me there. I was picturing you humping. Good, good, good.

[C]

Where does all this wisdom come from? Because it's true, like Tay said. You're just full of it. Like, where does that come from?

[A]

It doesn't come from me, I'll tell you that. And I'm very flattered that you'd say that. I don't really, you know, look at it like that myself like that. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm just sort of. You're you, Mr. Fantasy Clown. But I will say that it comes from you. It comes from you, comes from Blythe, comes from John. It comes from the water sitting in this bottle. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It comes from the rock nagging me in my shoe every day. Can't get that thing out, get out. You know what I mean? Mosquito flying around in my room. Get out of my room. Or try to just lie here. Should I just lie here and listen to it? Because it's kind of a nice sound, that buzzing. Am I ever going to get to hear that sound again? At least I'm not alone in this room. At least there's a mosquito in there with me. Do you know what I mean? Although he might be sucking my blood. Do you know what I mean? Where does it come from? It comes from everywhere and nowhere. And you, you, you, you certainly doesn't come from me.

[C]

You know what I feel like it's coming from? Or like how you live your life.

[A]

Is just being present, right.

[C]

Like you are so present in every moment you're in.

[A]

I try to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I really do try to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because. Because experience is, is, is. Is our teacher. Experience. Experience. That's how we get to create who we are. Because we. We get to learn from our experiences. If we don't learn from our experience, we relive it over and over and over and over and over again until we die and maybe come back again and keep relearning that same experience until, you know, five billion times later we come back, boom, we finally learned it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now we can move on to the next thing. But I think experience is the greatest teacher. And that's what I mean. Sort of about talking about listening to other people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's important to listen to other people. You should probably listen to your doctor. Do you know what I mean? You should probably listen to your friends. If it feels right. If it feels right, it's gotta feel right. But otherwise, no one knows your experience. No one knows what you've been through, Taylor. Amen, Taylor. Yeah, and so why listen to someone else and go, yeah, actually, you know, you're right about that. Hang on. No. Have I taken 10 minutes to just Sort of sit down and think about how I feel about it. I actually know I haven't done that in about two years. Well, maybe you should probably go do that because your body is aching to let you know on some little secrets that you need to be aware of.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Feeling is how God communicates with us. Through feeling. Not through word. Not through word. I don't think. Words are not. Are not. Words are not reliable. Not, not reliable. Not like. Not like. Not like feeling. Nothing beats that. Nothing beats that. Feeling true. Biting into a burger. The feeling of biting into a burger.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

Oh, I could use one.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

I know. I heard your tummy growl.

[C]

It's been growing then.

[A]

Do you guys believe in God?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

What kind of God do you believe in? I love this topic.

[C]

Jesus of Nazareth.

[A]

I love Jesus of Nazareth. I do. Yeah. I really do. What a brilliant way to live life.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, he's the prime example to me too, Of. Of. Of someone to model your life around. You know, I love people that love Jesus. I love Jesus because he. He also lived his life, you know, in a way like. Like there are other people that live their lives in a similar way. To bring forth the best within him. He wanted to bring forth the best within him. And I think we're all trying to do that too.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even John.

[A]

John. Yeah, he's working on it quite. Quite well.

[B]

He's getting there. He's getting there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What, what does mental health look like to you? Are there any forms of self care that you do, if you're ever feeling, you know, overwhelmed or what? What does self care look like?

[A]

Self care. Self care. For me, I love listening to music. I love doing things for other people. That's kind of a form of self care because it gets me out of my own head.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I know that if I immediately call John, ask him how he's doing, and help him, you know, move boxes out of his car like last week, remember that? Then I'm doing myself a favor and I'm doing someone else a favor.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

If you know what I mean. Because you're sort of stepping outside of yourself. Helping someone else always makes us feel better. I always feel better when I help someone else for sure. So that's a sort of self care thing for me.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Showering. Love a nice hot shower.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank God for that. Going swimming? We swim a lot. We go in the ocean a lot.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Yeah. At least once a week we go and swim in the ocean.

[C]

You're not scared of sharks.

[A]

I don't go in the deep end. He does. I sort of stay in the shallow end. But he likes going out deep end. I don't like that because I'm terrified of him. Same talk about fear, Mr. Fantasy. That's something. I'm scared. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Gonna have to work through that.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. What are some things that you guys do? You like to do it alone though, don't you? Yeah.

[C]

She's like, get my husband out of the house. That's self care.

[B]

If it's little things, I love to go sit out in the sun. If I'm ever feeling like overwhelmed or anxious or super busy, I'll go lay on the cement outside and just lay in the sun and have the sun warm me up. I feel like there's so much power.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sunlight.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's. That's my like go to.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like a ray of sunshine too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, you are. She is, right?

[C]

She definitely is. Yes.

[B]

I feel like your self care would be anything that's like a face mask.

[A]

Or like a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

[C]

Also Cooking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You like to cook? Yes.

[C]

And just that is like my. Yeah, that's my favorite form of therapy. It's like setting up dinner.

[A]

Are you good at cooking for other people? Do you like that? Yes. You like cooking for other people? You get enjoyment from it?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. See, that's not self care. Encouraging people to. To achieve self care through helping other people.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? But there are times where you should be alone, I think, and think about what it is that, you know, you want to. Who you want to be and stuff like that.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Looking into the future, I'm curious, is there any musicians that you. And I'm rewording this because I know you are going to be yourself and that's the only thing you want to be. But are there musicians you admire that you look at and go, I would want, you know, a career like theirs.

[A]

No.

[C]

Or make music like theirs more.

[A]

No. Okay. No, not really. No. Yeah.

[C]

I had a feeling that was coming.

[A]

And, and, and not really for any other reason other than just no.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean? Never feel like you have to give you an explanation for your. No.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

That's powerful.

[A]

That is a powerful thing, isn't it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The answer is no and that's that. But why no? The answer is no. The answer is no.

[C]

I love that.

[B]

Is there anything anyone you'd want to, like, collaborate with.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No, I. Right now, in my life, I like to collaborate with my producer, Flo. He's my only collaborator. And right now that is. Is. Is a. Is a kinetic, intrinsic, cosmic relationship that I am just diving into headfirst right now, and I can't think about, you know, collaborating with anyone else.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't even, you know, entertain that thought because all my love is. Is given to him right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm receiving all of it back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's a very, very amazing. I. I wish, you know, I wish. I was gonna say. I wish people could, you know, see the two of us monkeys in there. Do you know what I mean? But you get something different. You get the. The. You get The. The eggs that we're laying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so that's my. That's my collaboration.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Outside of music.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Entertainment, what is the biggest thing that you want to leave on this world?

[A]

God, I love you.

[C]

I also already feel like I have the answer, but I'm asking it anyways.

[A]

That's a very interesting question, isn't it? My first thought is I'm trying to think of something specific. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I don't really think it's my choice what I decide to leave, If you know what I mean. I feel that what I leave is up for interpretation.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

What I leave is going to be different for everyone else. What you leave is going to be different for Taylor than it will be for Blyth. And so the only thing that I can really answer that question with is I hope to have left every drop that was left in me. That is. Is what I hope to leave is. Is every single part of me before I decide to depart to the next realm.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I don't want to leave anything behind. I've got to give it. Give it, Give it all. Absolutely have to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. John, we talk about that a lot. Yeah. John lives his life the same way. That's why we connected very, very deeply.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Because I met him on Craig's List.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And he was sort of a depressed little guy. He just broke it up with one of his. Sorry, I shouldn't laugh at that. It's not funny. He broke it up with one of his girlfriends, and I said, mate, let's. Come on, let's do it. He said no at first, and we met at a Chipotle restaurant, and I sort of gave him my vision, my mission.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he said no. And I pleaded him. I got, you know, on My knees. I literally pleaded him like this. Please, John, please. And he said, fine. And he's a great man, and I've learned a lot from him. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

That's really sweet.

[A]

Yeah. He's a voracious reader. Voracious. He's always got a book in his hands. I'm surprised he's still out of work. He loves Herman Hess, stuff like that. You know what I mean?

[C]

Herman guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, that's enough about him. Enough about him. He doesn't like when people talk about him. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

I can tell he's getting a little uncomfortable.

[A]

He's gonna leave the room here.

[C]

What's that? I. So what I thought you were going to say. Yeah, but I like your answer, and I think it makes total sense. But I want to leave behind as much love as I possibly can. I want to. To, you know, interact, meet, touch as many people in this world and share every drop of love that I have to give.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's. Yeah. If I can leave one thing behind, I want it to be every drop of love that I have within me.

[A]

Now we're talking.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And have you always felt that? Was there a specific moment in your life that you realize that that is your purpose?

[C]

It's a good question. I've always been that way. But I think as I've gotten older, it's hit me more that life is too short. It's short. So why not just spend your time loving instead of judging and just focusing more on that? Because before you know it, I won't be here anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And why did I spend that day upset and grumpy and judging this person and pissed off at this person like, it's just not worth it.

[A]

Yeah, I agree. I agree with that wholeheartedly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Brilliant. That's why I'm sitting right across from you, because I feel that energy. I felt it 10,000ft up in the air on an airplane. I felt that from you and you. You know, because you are now we are one. The two of you. Yes. Yeah. Both your names are Taylor. Do you know what I mean? Miracle. No coincidences. No coincidences, guys.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Absolutely not. What about you, Jayla? I'd like to know.

[B]

I mean, probably on this, like, similar vibe, but maybe more so. Like, mental health. Mental health is a big thing for me. So I think leaving that legacy that, you know, if you are struggling, that that's completely normal and you'll get through it and just the confidence that you're not alone and Knowing that. We say that all the time. You're not alone. And it sounds cliche, but it's really. Everyone is going through something, so.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really. Just leaving that feeling of love and confidence to tackle your mental health and whatever you may be struggling with.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What is mental health too? Do you know what I mean? It's like people who are. Who are struggling with mental health, what are some things that. Practical things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That they can do. Let's have a think about that. Let's have a think about that. When I'm feeling. Not myself. Yeah. When I'm feeling maybe tired or like I don't want to do anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I like to move my body. I like to move. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Move does a lot.

[A]

I like to cuddle an animal.

[C]

Yeah. Or John.

[A]

Or John. Exactly. I like calling John. I like touching trees.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I love feeling fruits. Feeling. Feeling them and sort of holding them and then imagining what they're going to do inside my body. That's a weird one. But like touching it, you know, I mean, if this was a real lemon. It's not. But touching it, feeling all of the energy inside it, and then it's sort of imagining what's gonna happen after I eat it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then as soon as I'll look back, I'm like, four hours have gone past. I've been thinking about for four hours.

[C]

Oh, man.

[A]

And that is something that I do and I love that.

[C]

What is this kiwi gonna do to me?

[A]

Yeah. And then you do it and then you eat it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you really take your time eating it.

[B]

Yeah. Feeling the texture.

[A]

Yeah. And then you swallow it and it goes in and it all goes down.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you poo it. You poo it out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's another one, too. Have you ever felt your own poo before? People do that back in the day. I'm not saying I have or have not done it, but I'm saying that people do that in order to know the health of your gut.

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

They do that. They sort of reach in.

[B]

I feel like nowadays we do talk about that with, like, probiotics, how it's important and you can.

[A]

Second brain. Yeah, Second brain. The gut.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's everything. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Poo. Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Feel your poo.

[A]

But I think food is a very important one, too. Food. Yes. What are you putting into your body?

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

Because that is a direct result of how you feel, I think. Do you know? I mean, it must be. You are what you eat. I think that that's very true. Don't you think, John? I think that's very true. And I think that people who are feeling sad should try and maybe eat something very, very healthy and see how you feel after that.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

And the thing about. The thing about trial and error.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Allowing time. Nothing is permanent. Everything is temporary. And the. The understanding and knowing that everything is temporary. Nothing is going to last forever. The way you're feeling is never going to last forever. And thank God for that. If you're feeling really good, be careful. It's not going to last forever.

[C]

True.

[A]

Yeah. If you're feeling really bad, guess what, you're going to feel better soon. Yeah. And do all the right things that you can while you're feeling that way. Try and eat good and give yourself time. Give yourself time. Give yourself time. Give yourself time. Because how you feel is not always who you are, but it gives you a good indication of something that you. You might need to look into. That's great. I mean, I think there is no. Nothing happens for no reason. If I'm feeling anxious, there's a reason for that. If I'm feeling depressed, there's a reason for that. If I'm feeling very, very happy, there's a reason for that. And I. Because I have friends sort of say I'm just sort of anxious. I don't know why I'm always feeling anxious. There's no reason for it.

[C]

I just.

[A]

This is the way that I am. I don't. I don't believe that there's a reason for that. Take the time to really dive in and to understand that. Because that's trying to tell you something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sensitive. We're very sensitive creatures and we're very brilliant. Aren't we, humans? Yeah, we are so brilliant. The things that we are capable of doing is incredible to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We are capable of. Of so much. We're so powerful. We have the power to change beyond Earth. We can change. We could go out into the space.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So.

[A]

Wow. And that can't even. It keeps me awake at night. I call John all the time. I think, what are we doing? What are we doing? We have to do. We have to do something about this. Do you know what I mean? How do they do the pyramids? How is that even possible?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did they really do that? Do you know what I mean? I don't even know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't get it. Dreams.

[C]

Dreams.

[A]

That's another one too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Dreams are wild dreams. Rainbows, all that crazy. Beavers, monkeys, Orangutans. I can't.

[C]

I can't wrap our brain around.

[A]

Life is too amazing for me. Really. It's too amazing. I know Robert Irwin, I mean, come on.

[C]

Robert Irwin, someone like that.

[A]

I just look at his smile and I look at his eyes and I think, you're, you're. You are. There's something about you. Do you mean. There's something about you. You're a very special one. You're a special one. That's another good question. That's another question. Do you believe there are, There are special people? Because saying that there's a special person is insinuating that there are people that aren't special. Do you mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How do we look at that? But then you look at someone like Jesus, was he special? It seems to me that he was special. Was Michael Jackson special? It seems to me that he was special. But then how do I fathom that sort of. John isn't as special as Michael Jackson.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

In his own unique way, maybe he is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everyone's path is different. Everyone has a different thing to offer. Michael Jackson, I think, was. Was born to do something and to change a lot of people's lives in a way that I think John's is different. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, mine's sort of similar to Michael Jackson. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. And then the idea. And then the idea that these people who, who we look at as being special, we put them on this pedestal, we then expect them to be perfect. Oh, yes. We then expect them to never make a mistake. We then expect them to never have any regret. And I think you look at humanity and you look at, you look, you look at the way that human. It's this polarity between love and fear. Again, you know, if I tell you I love you, the first fear is, am I going to hear it back?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then if I acquire that love with you, what's the first thing I fear is that I'm going to lose it. You know what I mean? Humans, we oscillate between love and fear. Jesus, we loved him so much. We loved him so much. We loved that he performed miracles. And then we hated how perfect he was and we killed him. And then we looked at how graciously he accepted death and we loved him again. We go back and forth. We go back and forth because we're not perfect. And that's okay, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I try and have that relationship with myself because if I Treat myself with too much expectation. I know that I'm gonna end up letting myself down. And I think it's important as humanity to try and remember, you know, we shouldn't really look at people as being up here.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Because suddenly we've put ourselves down there, and we don't know, you know, we're all equals.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I don't believe in, you know, putting people up there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or down there. Or down there.

[C]

Yeah. Absolutely.

[B]

Very true.

[C]

I think that's what makes you so special, is, you know, you're having this moment in your career, and it could be so easy to allow yourself to put yourself up here.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But you. You view every person the same, and you are.

[A]

So.

[C]

You just live in the moment, and you are who you are, and you preach that to everybody else for them to be that same way, and it's just a beautiful thing. And if you can do that, anybody can do it. It's really just an honor. I love that.

[A]

I love you so much, and I think that you do the exact same thing, and that's why I love you very, very much.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

And I very much appreciate that. I very much, really do appreciate that.

[C]

Yeah. Promise us, before you go, I want you to promise us that as big as you get, you will never be too big for the squeeze.

[A]

I promise. Okay. I promise. Absolutely. Even when your studios move downstairs. Yeah. I love that. I love that.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

That's so sweet. Well, thank you for. For joining us today on your first podcast.

[C]

I know.

[A]

First podcast.

[B]

So excited. So honored.

[C]

I learned so much.

[A]

I've learned so much from you guys.

[B]

I'm gonna write a lot of, like, affirmations that you said on sticky notes after this.

[A]

Oh, can I tell you guys something?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The biggest thing that I took from today is the relationship between the two of you. That I really feel it a lot. It's very powerful. And the connection that I can tell between the two of you, you guys are so comfortable with each other, it's ridiculous. It's like, you are really, really inspiring. And it makes me think, wow, that is out there. You know what I mean? That sort of connection with someone is out there. And, you know, I'm not saying you guys are perfect, that you don't have your, you know, things.

[C]

She wouldn't say manifestation.

[A]

Or cooperator, but that is a brilliant thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right, John? I think that that's beautiful, whatever you guys got going on. And that's why we love the squeeze, John and I, because we like the things that you guys talk about. And you. You ultimately come from a very, very, very good place. From love. Yeah, from love. The biggest thing that I love talking about today is. And it sort of came up quite naturally. I love that. How that happened is this idea of fear and doubt.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So to all of our squeezes, remember.

[C]

We call them our lemon drops.

[A]

For all of our lemon drops, say no to fear. Say yes to love. Love is free and it's accessible at all times.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is receivable at all times. And it's perfect. It's the only thing that you will find that is perfect. Right?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And guess what? This is the best part. It's in you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which means you are it. Which means you are perfect. That's brilliant, isn't it?

[C]

I feel like that's a good way to end it. Thank you so much.

[A]

I love you, buddy.

[C]

This has been an honor. Give me a hug.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

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