A (4:31)

Seven.

B (4:32)

Seven. I live for. I live for the and one thing I hate. And one thing and one thing I hate. I, I, when I saw that paywall, I said, let me in, let me in. I'm. I'm going to. I need to see the thing that you hate. And you know what? We always hate the same stuff, the same things.

A (4:49)

Here's my thing. I have to tell you that the fact that people read show and tell is hilarious to me because I just feel like I'm writing into the void. Like so much of the work that we do is just feels like into the void. But when people respond to things like pass the paywall like other, I'm always like, oh my God, people are really reading this. And so many people tell me that they like show and tell. But the hardest part sometimes is the hate. Some weeks, I know the hate right away, and then some weeks, I write the entire thing, and I just sit there and I go, what did you hate? And I Google, like, annoying things that happened this week or, like, pop culture this week. And I just try to think, is there something I hate? And then some weeks, I do a bonus hate earlier in the article because I'm just like, you've annoyed me.

B (5:37)

So I saw a TikTok, which is how the worst conversations always start. That said, when I hate, it's actually, you know, intellectual. I'm hating on a different level, okay? I'm hating in a. In a. In a. In a critical thinking kind of way. I'm not always.

A (5:57)

I'm never.

B (5:58)

I wanted to just let it rip on just what might be just our personal pet peeves of 2025, our biggest hates of 2025. Biggest hates of 2025, the hater list. I want everybody out there to feel free to make their own. Okay?

A (6:15)

Yeah.

B (6:15)

And. And to join in. And you can hate ours.

A (6:19)

You can hate our hate, but I don't want to hear about it. And I'll talk more about that later. You asked for five. I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. I have nine.

B (6:30)

Okay, that's.

A (6:31)

And I just added one. I just added one as we were talking. So I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe this isn't on my list.

B (6:36)

Okay, okay. Ooh, ooh. Okay, I'm ready.

A (6:39)

I don't know how to start. You know what? I'm going to start with something that I want to make sure I have enough time to talk about, and that is I hate Wicked and Wicked Part 2. Back in the habit for good. I hated Wicked last year, and I talked about it on Sam Sanders podcast in my newsletter, and a lot of people were mean to me about hating it, and I said, okay, it's fine that you're wrong and I'm right. Like, that's fine. And I understand that that can be hard for you to accept, but I also told everyone last year, even if you like this one, good fucking luck with part two. Because I know the musical and I know that Act 2 of the musical is not its own story. It's actually, in fact, part two of one whole thing. That's how acts work in a play. Act one and act two work together to have a full story arc. When you take the second half of the thing and try to make it its own story arc, you're already facing trouble. But when that second thing is Act 2 of Wicked. It's not possible. Yeah. And then I was the Hobbit.

B (7:48)

Three movies. It was a novella.

A (7:50)

Yeah, we don't need. We don't need so much. I know you want to make money. I get it, and I'm happy to give you my money, but I actually would have just given you the, like, $70 I paid for the ticket and all the food that I ordered during the movie. So I had an excuse to leave the theater to pick up my pretzel bites just so that I could have had that time back in my life. So I'm going to tell you some of the reasons I hate this movie. One, I just said two, John Chu hates musicals. He does a thing in Wicked Part one and Wicked Part two where he takes a song that, you know, goes, chala, la la la la la la la. And he breaks it up, for example, and he breaks it up and he says, TRA la la la. Let's have a scene here. And then he says, la, la la. Another scene, la. More conversation. And I said, john, this isn't a fucking interlude on a cd, my guy. This is a musical. The whole point is that people have to sing an entire song. That's the way the show is written. That's the way the music is written. That's how a musical functions. If you break up the sex scene so that they can talk about how beautiful each other is in unconventional ways or whatever the. Or that's just a different way of looking at things. You're ruining the song. It doesn't make the scene work. Drives me crazy. Also, I think the movies are ugly. I'm sorry? The lighting is ugly, the CGI is horrific. And I know people love Paul Tazewell's costumes. They look cheap to me. They look like Tom Ford knockoffs or whatever. All right, that is the end of this bonus teaser. If you were liking what you were hearing, you can listen to the entire episode by going to either patreon.com the stacks and joining the Stacks Pack, getting access to the Discord, being able to participate in our virtual book club, and. Or you can go to tracythomas.substack.com and subscribe to Unstacked, where you're going to get my writing about books, pop culture, you're going to get other exclusive author interviews, and of course, these bonus episodes. So go to one of the those two places, join us, get to hear the rest of this episode, and support the work that I do by being a part of these wonderful communities. Thank you so much. And I'll see you in the snacks.

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