Pat Miletich Tells Movie Tales, Bouncer Stories & Talks UFC - SAS CLASSIC

Summary

The Steve Austin Show – SAS Classic

Episode: Pat Miletich Tells Movie Tales, Bouncer Stories & Talks UFC
Date: May 28, 2026
Host: Steve Austin
Guest: Pat Miletich

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Episode Overview

This episode features a classic, freewheeling conversation between Steve Austin and MMA legend Pat Miletich. The two dive into stories from fighting, bouncing, movies, and deep talk about the evolution of MMA and pro wrestling. Pat shares wild tales from life as a bouncer, his experiences in film, the realities of the fight world, and how he stays fit after retiring from MMA. The tone is candid, funny, and at times deeply reflective—two veterans of combat sports kicking back and sharing war stories, lessons, and laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pat’s Broadcasting Farewell & LFA Legacy

[16:07–17:52]

• Pat talks about his last LFA broadcast on AXS TV with partner Michael Schiavello, who’s heading back to Australia:

  “We’ve gone to lodges all over the country … just formed a really strong brotherhood, a friendship with him. He’s a super intelligent guy, one of the most intelligent people I’ve ever met in my life.” – Pat Miletich [16:19]

• Steve reflects on being interviewed by Schiavello:

  “It was probably the best interview I’ve ever been given.” – Steve Austin [19:30]

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2. The Conspiracy Farm Podcast and Operation Gladio B

[20:08–21:50]

• Pat shares about his podcast, The Conspiracy Farm, and upcoming high-level guests like Sibel Edmonds (CIA, Operation Gladio B), explaining the concept of western intelligence “stay-behind” operations during the Cold War and their echoes today:

  “Once you open the Pandora’s box, Steve, you can’t close it. … Once you’re a truth seeker and start opening the box, you can’t close it.” – Pat Miletich [21:52]

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3. The State of MMA & The UFC Sale

[23:42–26:13]

• Pat discusses how MMA athletes have evolved, the need for multiple organizations to improve competition/pay, and is skeptical about UFC’s $4 billion sale:

  “The UFC did a good job of selling themselves for 4 billion because I don’t think they were worth it, quite frankly.” – Pat Miletich [24:56]

• Pat’s vision: Fighters should get stock options in promotions, so they have a stake—“That’s the thing that needs to happen for athletes.” [26:13]

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4. What Sells Fights: Charisma & The Showman’s Edge

[27:13–28:55]

• Reflecting on selling pay-per-views:

  “Chael Sonnen is one of the greatest talkers I’ve ever seen in the sport. Conor McGregor can do the same thing, right? He can sell it … there’s only a few guys that really have that talent and can back it up.” – Pat Miletich [27:25]

• Pat explains his own restraint in trash talk, given MMA’s early scrutiny:

  “I was doing televised debates with politicians who were trying to shut the sport down.” [27:52]

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5. Injuries & Hard Lessons from Life in Combat Sports

[54:28–58:41]

• Pat describes his career-ending neck injury and paralysis, rehabbing without surgery, and making the call to finally stop:

  “When I had the initial neck injury, I lost all use of the left side of my body ... I was actually paralyzed from the neck down twice in training.” – Pat Miletich [55:10]

• He shares the psychological toll of hurting opponents too badly:

  “I didn’t like fighting because I like hurting people. I like competing.” [57:46]

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6. Bouncer and Street Fighting Stories

[34:01–50:33]

• Pat recounts legendary bouncing tales—trading choke holds, dealing with gang fights, and even being attacked with weapons:

  “I choked like three people unconscious... we’re surrounded by over 100 people and the dogs are on the end of their leashes...” [36:09]

• Advice on self-defense:

  “If somebody has a knife, run. Just don’t stand. Knives are unforgiving, man. If they have a gun, get close to them.” [36:47]

• Hilarious encounter: a guy tried to pick a fight claiming to be Pat Miletich, not knowing the real Pat was in front of him:

  “I pull my wallet out and I get my driver’s license out and I go, read that … looks at it and just instantly goes sheet white.” [50:01]

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7. Movie Set Madness

[41:29–47:31]

• Pat and Steve swap movie stories—including Pat’s role in “Bobby Z” with Paul Walker, bringing in fighters as extras, spontaneous stunt work, and payment fiascos:

  “They wired in 400 grand into our bank account. They put too many zeros on it … I had the money wired back … just to make his ass sweat.” – Pat Miletich [46:19]

• Steve’s tales of accidentally breaking a stunt double’s nose:

  “I just swung it a little wide. And my little finger just caught him right on the nose and pushed his nose over about an inch…” – Steve Austin [41:14]

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8. Old School & New School Fighting Wisdom

[49:34–54:07]

• They joke about the warning signs of a real bad-ass:

  “I’m not picking a fight with a guy with cauliflower ears. I’m just not going to do it.” – Pat Miletich [49:46]

• More bouncer legends, barroom misunderstandings, and MMA “street cred.”
• Bas Rutten, bar fights, and international nights out:

  “Can you please get … Mr. Rutten to get off the bar?” [53:23]

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9. Training, Recovery & Vegan Evolution

[59:15–66:52]

• Pat details brutal ultra-running and CrossFit-style training for races like Leadville (100 miles out and back):

  “15 burpees, then you run a mile, 10 times. So you do 150 burpees, and you run a total of 10 miles… did it in the hotel” [61:09]

• Nutrition: Transitioning toward vegan, nuts, eggs, tons of avocados; recovery gains from going plant-based.

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10. Other Notable Topics

• Music & Brain Health: Pat hated music when gluten-intolerant; once he cut gluten, he could enjoy music again. [67:12–67:32]
• Funny MMA Stories: Fighters with severe amnesia after knockout wins/losses; wild tournament tales from the early days of MMA in Russia and the Middle East.
• Final Shoutouts: Pat plugs The Conspiracy Farm podcast and his Firehorse Combatives law/military training company.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Integrity and Leaving a Job:

  “It's cool when somebody can end their career on their own terms... It's not about the money. I'm going to go home, raise my kids in Australia where we belong...” – Pat Miletich [17:03]

• On Opening Pandora’s Box of Truth:

  “Once you open the Pandora’s box, Steve, you can’t close it.” – Pat Miletich [21:52]

• On MMA’s Evolution:

  “The athletes are better … but I still have problems understanding how people aren't well rounded … some guys are really good strikers and terrible grapplers, or vice versa … it confuses me.” – Pat Miletich [23:50]

• On Defusing a Barfight:

  “I worked as a professional fighter for a lot of years, at one time held a world title in it, and I’m pretty good at it. That’s probably the only thing I’m good at. And you’re picking a fight with me. I go, just, just don’t.” – Pat Miletich [50:08]

• On Nutrition and Athletic Recovery:

  “I'm slowly going more and more vegan, to be honest with you... they say your recovery is better.” – Pat Miletich [65:55]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [16:07] Pat Miletich says goodbye to broadcast partner Michael Schiavello
• [20:08] Operation Gladio B and false flag events explained
• [23:42] Pat on the evolution of UFC athletes and organizations
• [24:56] UFC's $4B sale – Pat’s skepticism
• [26:13] Giving fighters real equity in organizations
• [27:25] Showmanship and salesmanship in MMA
• [34:42] Classic bouncer tales—dealing with gangs, weapons, survival
• [41:29] Movie adventures: stunts, fights, and payment chaos
• [54:28] Pat’s neck injuries, paralysis, and retirement decision
• [59:15] Training for 100-mile ultramarathons and functional fitness
• [65:55] Vegan and plant-based eating for athlete recovery
• [67:12] Music, mental health, and surprising returns

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Tone and Style

Conversational, humorous, open-book. Steve is his usual self: direct, cussing, unfussy. Pat is insightful, a bit philosophical, but equally quick with a wild story or a life lesson. Both men are honest about the violence of their professional lives, but also thoughtful about what it costs and what it teaches.

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Where to Find More

• Pat Miletich: The Conspiracy Farm podcast (iTunes/YouTube); FirehorseCombatives.com for law/military training resources
• Steve Austin: Broken Skull Challenge (CMT); SteveAustinShow at PodcastOne; Steve’s beer, shirts, and knives at BrokenSkullRanch.com

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This episode delivers a masterclass in fighter storytelling—a must-listen for MMA fans and anyone who loves raucous, real-deal conversation.

Transcript

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[Pat Miletich]

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[Pat Miletich]

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[Pat Miletich]

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[Steve Austin]

He started in a small town in Texas, worked his ass off to become one of the most famous wrestlers of all time. We're gonna take care of business tonight. And that's the bottom line. And now he's dominating the Demand audio and he's doing it for the working man. This is a damn good outlet for me to spew the bullshit off my brain.

[Pat Miletich]

This is the Steve Austin Show.

[Steve Austin]

Unleash. All right, everybody. Welcome to Steve Austin Show. I'm coming to you from the mean streets of Los Angeles, California today. And we have a classic case of what is called over here in Southern California, June gloom. I'm on a Wikipedia page for June gloom. I'll read you two sentences. Well, it's one sentence. June gloom is a Southern California term for a weather pattern that results in cloudy overcast skies with cool temperatures during the late spring and early summer. You know, a lot of people out here in Southern California can't stand June gloom because it's gray. It's a little bit cool. It's a little bit windy. I like it because in Southern California, you got the best weather probably anywhere in the world that I've been anyway. I ain't never been in Hawaii, but they got some badass weather out here. And that's probably my favorite thing about living in Los Angeles, the fucking weather. And I particularly enjoy June gloom because you get about 30 days and you get a little bit of it in May as well May gray, as they call it. But the June gloom, 30 days, the sky is kind of cloudy. It's a little bit misty. It's like a marine layer comes over the city, man, it's awesome. And you can go out in the valley now and it'll be sunny and hot, but you get over here close to the water and you got that June gloom going on. A lot of people don't like that shit. They get depressed. Not me. Shit. We got about 320 days of sunshine out here in SoCal, out here in Los Angeles, so we get enough sun. Shit, I. I'm like a damn albino. The UVA rays and the UVB rays beat the shit out of me. So finally, when you can get a little relief from the sun and you get this nice, cool, overcast gimmick weather called June gloom shit, I like the shit out of it. So June gloom shit. As I record to open this podcast. It's June 6th. How many days are left in the damn month? Pull up my calendar. We got 30 days in June. Hopefully it probably lasted a little bit into July. So I got some more cloudy days to look forward to. Let me close my calendar down, man. I got my calendar up. We've been planning a little vacation, my wife and I, my illustrious wife and I, Kristen, are leaving tomorrow to go to Santa Barbara for a couple of days. Santa Barbara is about an hour and a half. Shit. Which direction is it? I guess it's north. Anyway, we're gonna go stay at some gimmick hotel up there. I think it's gonna be pretty cool. But my wife wanted to take a vacation and get a break from the dogs for just a second. We're only going to be gone for two days, so it ain't much of a vacation. I ain't taking a vacation in. I don't think I've taken a vacation in 20 or 25 years because I don't term anything. I do a vacation. When we would go down to the Broken Skull Ranch, we was going down there to work our asses off. Now I also Enjoyed being down there. So a lot of times you could consider that a vacation because other than the podcast, I wasn't technically working, but I was working my ass off on a ranch doing a bunch of shit. And that was my passion. We had fun doing that. So this is going to be an interesting little getaway. My wife has someone, one of her close friends that she's known forever coming to stay at the house to take care of Hershey, Moolah and Callie. This would be the first time that we've ever been away from our dogs since we got Callie. They go everywhere with us. Take them to the ranch with us, take them to Nevada with us when we go see our in laws, all that shit. So we'll probably be worried about those motherfuckers and probably won't even have a good time because we're thinking about the damn dogs. So I'm looking forward to getting around up there in Santa Barbara, poking around a little bit, see if I can find me an antique shop, maybe a shop that has some neon signs or some porcelain signs, some collectibles. I've been trying to doctor up this house over here and hang some shit over here and get my studio going. But what I got to do first I think is paint this place and turn it into my man cave. And it's going to be the official home of the Steve Austin Show. I've had a couple of guests come over here. Brian Kendrick came over here. Pat Melatic came over here. Most of the other people wore it 316 gimmick street and have been on the phone. So this new setup I've got over here for my studio is kind of a clusterfuck right now. I don't have any furniture in this house other than my podcast table, my two chairs. I've got some camping chairs here, the kind you just fold out when you're in an RV or something like that. If you go to the beach, hell, I got about two or three of them out. If someone comes over here and they got a posse, I ain't got no room for them because all I got is a couple fold up chairs. I got Gallows and Anderson coming to the podcast here in a couple of weeks. I was talking with Carl Anderson the other day and Luke Gallows. I said, fuck. I said, you guys are going to come by yourself and gonna bring a posse with you? Cause I ain't got a stick of furniture up in this motherfucker. Said, no man, we're coming by ourself. I said, well good. Cause I Ain't got no room for a bunch of bullshit over here. Some other superstars rolling into the area that I have lined up on the schedule. I don't want to drop any names so nothing fucks up and don't get them here. I know that Gallows and Anderson are here because I talked to both of them on the phone and they're looking forward to being on the show. And I'm looking forward to shooting the breeze with those guys. As long as they've been around all that bullshit they've been doing over New Japan with the clique and all those world class workers over there. We're going to sit here and watch this second hand on this pearl bear neon clock spin around like a rotisserie chicken, drink some beer and shoot the shit about the business of professional wrestling. So that should be an outstanding endeavor. Speaking about Gallows and Anderson, man, it takes me back to that southpaw regional wrestling shit they did when you had Tex Ferguson played by Gallows and Chad Too Bad played by Carl Anderson. Man, that was some good shit. John Cena was awesome as Lance Catamaran. God damn, I hope they light that shit up again and do some more episodes of it, because I think they. What, they did like four of them. Maybe four or six. Fandango was great at Cena's sidekick or Lance Catamaran Sidekick. Rusev was awesome with that chicken promo. Those are some good shit. So anyway, I'm rambling here. I'm looking forward to talking to those guys and they're coming over here soon. I gotta go over and get ready to pack all my shit up to go to Santa Barbara. On a side note, I loaded up Hershey the Wonder Dog, my prized possession. Goddamn, I've had that dog for. She's 13 and a half years old right now. And I bought her for my buddy when she was a year and a half. So I guess I've had Hershey 12 damn years and she's starting to slow down a little bit. I took her to Unleashed, that little gimmick dog store and put her in one of them silver tubs and gave her a bath. Today she was dirty as hell. I didn't think she was dirty, but my wife wanted me to clean her up a little bit. So I took her over there, shampooed her ass and I took her over there in the Metallic P 2003 Ford Focus 64,000 original miles and a little bit of change rolled up there in that four door and that thing, that little car, goddammit, is fun. To drive. I just wonder if I get in a crash or something with one of these idiots texting and smoking their cigarette, driving down the road to have their head up their ass. I'm worried about getting in a crash when I get in that little Ford Focus, that little motherfucker. I like driving my pickup truck and that other shit around because you sit up a little bit higher. But, man, we had a good time over there. I let her. She wandered through the aisles and she picked up a chew bone, so I bought that for her. Got some dog food while I was there. So the lady that's going to watch the dogs can feed them and all that stuff. And I'm looking forward to getting down there and taking a little trip and getting out of Los Angeles. I dig living in Los Angeles, but the problem is I ain't got no getaway valve yet. I don't have an escape valve. And so I'm still looking for broken Skull Ranch 2.0. Sold that place two, three months ago. What was it anyway? I just been stuck here in this concrete jungle. And I like la, but goddamn, I'm from Texas and I like being outdoors. I might have said this on the Tuesday podcast, but on Sunday I went back to the Broken Skull challenge compound. I unlocked my storage containers and I drove around my Kawasaki mules to keep the batteries charged. And, man, I tell you what, I gotta find a place somewhere, whether it's here in California, maybe in West Texas, maybe Nevada, that I can get out there and ride my ass off of my damn mules, because that's what I like to do. Coming up this weekend, I'm going target shooting with Len Thompson over at Cold Steel Knives. They're the guys that make the Broken Skull and the Working Man Knife. And God dang, it's fun shooting with Lynn because he's really competitive and we're not out there competing. We're just out there having a good time and being extremely safe and shooting steel targets. And there's nothing like the sound of those steel targets when you hit one like you're supposed to. Then we'll get out the shotguns and start shooting skeet. They've got a skeet thrower that will throw multiple skeets, so we'll get those things to cross. I tell you what, I never was worth a damn at shooting those skeet until I dialed in last time with Lynn and the gang from Cold Steel. So I'm looking forward to getting back out there. Hell, it's been six months at least since I shot with him and I picked up a couple of different shotguns to take out there. I got to go buy the sporting goods store, give me some shotgun shells. I guess I'm going to shoot some, what, seven and a half shot, two and three quarter inch, 12 gauge. But that's all the shit I got going on right now. Hey, man, before I get into the body of the podcast with Pat Miletich, I got to remind you guys and you gals, hey man, if you in shape, if you have a competitive bone in your body, if you like to compete, if you want to prove to the world how tough and how bad you are, I got a show for you. It's called Steve Austin's Broken Skull Challenge. And we're going to start filming right around the back end. Mid July. It's going to be hotter than shit out there. The other day when I was driving my mules, it was only 81 degrees and it felt like it was on fire. So by the time July gets here, It'll be about 90, 95 and the heat will play a factor. So if you don't want none, don't come get none. But, but if you do want some, come out because we got plenty of getting for you. Badasses only apply. We don't need no sissies.

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[Steve Austin]

Steve Austin Unleashed. Unleashed. Hey, tonight, as we speak now, this podcast will probably play Tuesday or Thursday, and I want to talk about your podcast one more time. But tonight you have an endeavor on Access tv, which is lfa.

[Pat Miletich]

The lfa. The Legacy Fighting alliance is what they call it. It's a combination of legacy, joined forces with the rfa. They've combined all their talent, tons of talented kids. They put a ton of people into the ufc. There's a lot of talented guys on the card, but more than anything, you know, it's kind of an end of an era for Michael and I. Michael Chevello, my broadcast partner, he and I have grown to be very good friends again. Both Masons, we've gone to lodges all over the country and sat in lodge with Masons all over the place. The country just formed a really strong brotherhood, a friendship with him. And he's a super intelligent guy, one of the most intelligent people I've ever met in my life. And yeah, he's going back to Australia to raise his family.

[Steve Austin]

He's going back to Australia?

[Pat Miletich]

Yep, he's going going back home. His wife and son are already there when he's leaving next week, so he's flying, flying back next week. So tonight's our last broadcast together. I'm, you know, I'm happy for him, but the selfish part of me is really bummed out because we had so much fun on air together. We really did, man.

[Steve Austin]

So why is this the last one?

[Pat Miletich]

He just, you know, decided, hey, time for me to go home. You know, he. It's cool when somebody can end their career on their own terms. It's not very often somebody can. He's not ending his career. He'll continue doing stuff over in Australia. But to end employment with a great company. Axis has treated us very well to just say, you know what, this is best for my family. It's not about the money. I'm going to go home, raise my kids in Australia where we belong and where we're happy and where we want to be, you know, so, so it's pretty, pretty cool. Sends a pretty good message to people that are paying attention.

[Steve Austin]

So then will you continue your stuff with Access?

[Pat Miletich]

Yes, absolutely.

[Steve Austin]

Yeah, I could be a new broadcast.

[Pat Miletich]

Oh, dude, we'd have a blast, wouldn't we, huh?

[Steve Austin]

I don't know shit. But hell, I could just chime in every here and there.

[Pat Miletich]

That'd be cool. That'd be cool.

[Steve Austin]

I'm kidding you. So then, what's next for you?

[Pat Miletich]

I've got two weeks off and we'll be doing, we're setting up some law enforcement, military stuff throughout the summer also. But I'm training for Leadville also, so I've got that. August 19th, August 19th, Saturday morning starts at 4am and you got to be back across the finish line by Sunday at 10am you got 30 hour limit to go out 50 and come back. And so I'm going to try and get that damn belt buckle. You know the ultra running, you know how they got the belt buckle thing that you win? You know how they, how they figured out how that happens? Really cool story. Guy was doing a hundred mile race, it was a horse race and the guy's horse got sick, came up lame and so he had no horse to ride. So he said, hell with it, I'm here, I've traveled all this way, I'm going to do the race on my feet. And everybody. You're going to run 100 miles? He goes, yeah, yeah, I'm going to. So he did it. And those horse races, those 100 mile races, they used to give out belt buckles. So they gave the guy a buckle. And thus the ultra marathon was born. The 100 miler.

[Steve Austin]

Hey man, here's one for you. And I think manager, one of the greatest managers of his wrestling, Paul Ellering does the Iditarod. Okay, I think, hell, is that every year, right? Or is it like the Olympics? I can't remember. Why don't you do the Iditarod. Riding on the back of a sled, dogs pulling you, high adrenaline, gotta navigate some shit could be right up your alley. You're not off the ground.

[Pat Miletich]

You know what? I don't know if I want to stand on back of a sled for that long. I'd fall asleep on the damn thing, Right? At least I won't fall asleep running. That's. That's all I can say.

[Steve Austin]

Hey, man, before we leave, I want to give a shout out to Michael Chevello. I was fortunate enough when Michael gave me a call to be on the

[Pat Miletich]

Voice, one of the greatest episodes he's ever done.

[Steve Austin]

God dang, man, I had so much fun. I rolled in there, I was a little bit burned out and I was like, you know, I knew who Michael Chevella was.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And I rolled in there and, man, all of a sudden, you know, he really, he got me so engaged in the interview and, man, we had a blast. So it was probably the best interview that I've ever been given. I give a shout out to my Michael Chevella, the Voice, and just a super cool guy. And just the way he conducts his interview, does all his homework, super prepared is a top notch guy. It's going to be. Yeah, I'm sure you will miss him.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And that's, that's like I was saying, he really, truly researches for his interviews. And I think his 2 favorite of all time that he ever did was you and Dan Gable.

[Steve Austin]

Oh, man, that's pretty damn cool.

[Pat Miletich]

Yep, that's his two favorite interviews versus a real wrestler. Well, hey, it's all wrestling.

[Steve Austin]

Hey, the Conspiracy Farm podcast, who you got coming up next? What kind of material are you going to delve into?

[Pat Miletich]

You know, Sabel Edmonds, I think we're going to have on next, Sobelle Edwards is former CIA and she's got what's called, she's written books on Gladio B, which is the second Gladio operation. Gladio was in Europe. For those that aren't familiar with what Gladio is and the Stay behind armies during the Cold War, the NATO Stay behind armies were citizens who were secretly trained by our intelligence people and European intelligence to fight guerrilla warfare against the Russians. If they were to invade Europe after the Cold War ended, there was no necessarily need for them. But what there was was a threat politically by the communists of slowly creeping in and taking over Europe. So what they did was, and this stuff's all documented and there's been a lot of people assassinated because of it. And there is court documentation of this stuff. You know, suddenly an explosion at a fairground. Suddenly someone bursts in and shoots a bunch of people. And they start in the news media blaming it on the communists. So they turned the public in Europe against the communists and even the thought process of the communists to keep that type of political situation from creeping in and controlling Europe. So that was the original Gladio. Operation Gladio. And if people can go on YouTube and watch documentaries about it and learn what really goes on behind the scenes. And that's why there's talk of false flag events and all this other stuff and Gladio B potentially happening here in the United States. So you got to really pay attention about, you know, what's really going on and the type of attacks that you're seeing. And I'm not saying that false flag attacks are a regular occurrence or anything like that, but they do exist.

[Steve Austin]

Dude, you come over some of the damnedest subjects.

[Pat Miletich]

I mean, he just research, you know, And I'm telling you, a lot of this stuff. Once you open the Pandora's box, Steve, you can't close it. That's the problem. Once you're a truth seeker and start opening the box, you can't close it.

[Steve Austin]

Yeah, like you said, a truth seeker.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, you can't close the box. And it's tough, man. It's.

[Steve Austin]

It's tough in the truth, Pat, but I've been here to have so many steel chairs. Goddamn, I give a shit. Obviously not as much as you do, but I really enjoyed episode 30, the. The episode you told me to listen to. Yeah. And so listeners can find your podcast.

[Pat Miletich]

They can find us on. They can find us on itunes, under the conspiracy farm, on YouTube even. They can go and listen to it. We've had some amazing guests on there. Just Sonny Pozikas was, you know, the former Spetsnaz guy.

[Steve Austin]

He was.

[Pat Miletich]

He was hunting terrorists his whole life, you know, down in Chechnya and the stands and all that stuff that bordered with Russia. This is a true bad, bad dude. This, this. And now he's an American citizen, loves training Americans, loves giving out his knowledge. And the guy really knows his stuff. But we just have a really eclectic group of people. Peter Schiff, who's a genius when it comes to global markets and money and how the system works. We had him on, I think, our very first show, and he educates. He was the guy that got laughed at on TV for calling the 2008 crisis is coming a year before it happened. He goes, I'm telling you. And the other Economists that are on CNN with him are going to, dude, you're high. What are you talking about? I'd never seen any of those economists on TV ever again.

[Steve Austin]

It's interesting that you speak the language of all these people that you're speaking to.

[Pat Miletich]

I just try to keep up. There's no way I'm going to know what Peter Schiff knows. Right? There's no way I can be that good at that stuff. I, too, have been hit in the head a few times, but I can research a lot of it and at least hold a conversation with them and. And let them educate me even more. And I love being educated. I love learning.

[Steve Austin]

Hey, when you left the Octagon to where it's at right now, right now, what do you think about just how it has progressed?

[Pat Miletich]

Right, Evolved, you know, I think it has progressed in a lot of ways. The athletes are. Many of. Many of them are, because there's more money, there's some better athletes getting into it. They're, you know, guys that would maybe choose boxing from a childhood standpoint, now choose wrestling to go into and will wrestle all through high school, college, and then go into mma. So you're getting some pretty scary, scary people coming in. I still have problems understanding how people aren't well rounded. Some guys are really good strikers and terrible grapplers, or vice versa. The guys just can't maybe grasp the striking, the rhythm of it, things like that. It confuses me that there's still that going on in the sport. But overall, I think, you know, the sport's getting much better. I wish. I wish that there were two or three major organizations so that the fighters had somewhere to go. Bellator, I think, is getting much better. And athletes come out of our shows and go to Bellator, go to the UFC equally. So that's a good thing. And I think Viacom is starting to pay a lot more money to their athletes and to get the talent, the new guys coming out, which is nice to see, so that. That will help balance out the sport for the athletes, I think.

[Steve Austin]

What do you think?

[Pat Miletich]

When UFC sold, I thought $4 billion is what. The UFC did a good job of selling themselves for 4 billion because I don't think they were worth it, quite frankly. That's just my personal thought. Okay, but selling it for $4 billion. And I also thought maybe eventually the people buying this might realize they might have paid too much for it.

[Steve Austin]

I don't know.

[Pat Miletich]

We'll see about that.

[Steve Austin]

Well, it's going to be interesting to see how it does in Their hands. I mean, because I mean that business, like when you said, hey man, it'd be great if there's another major player or two. Same thing with pro wrestling. It'd be great if there was another major player or two. Just the guys got more options and there's more competition between the federations to make a better product.

[Pat Miletich]

Absolutely.

[Steve Austin]

That's just the way it was going back to the Monday night wars, right?

[Pat Miletich]

If you know any investors that want to start a major organization, I wrote out an entire plan and the name alone steals back at least half of the control of the sport.

[Steve Austin]

What is it?

[Pat Miletich]

I can't say it. I can't say the name. I'll tell it, I'll tell you it off air. But I'm telling you right now, every Google search would end up at my organization, okay?

[Steve Austin]

A lot of guys, you know, when you get into business, pro wrestling, they go, okay, man, I'm rushing about 10 years, I'm gonna start my own promotion, right? So guys, guys do that, they get them a damn ring and start running some small towns. They got no tv, right? So I end up going belly up.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, you got it. Yeah, you gotta have the contract, you gotta have the TV contracts. Definitely. And you know, here's the one thing that I would say to people is I was an athlete for a lot of years, right? I competed. I saw it from those eyes. I was a coach for a lot of years. I had done some small shows, I had promoted. My manager had promoted shows forever. He's done more shows than anybody else on the planet called Extreme Challenge. Monty Cox was my manager. I've worked on the TV side. I've seen it from that side. So I've seen it. I've refereed a thousand fights, I've judged fights before. I've seen it from every possible angle, I think. So I understand it from all those different angles. And I think that if somebody were to come along and start an organization where I see grocery store chains in Iowa that are employee owned, you get stock options in the company. That's the thing that needs to happen for athletes. Give them stock options and owning this thing, look, you stay committed to us and don't jump ship, you'll end up owning part of this company by the time you're done, right? Things like that need to go on.

[Steve Austin]

What do you think goes into someone being able to sell pay per views at the top of a card?

[Pat Miletich]

Well, I tell you what, the only guys that can do it are either such phenomenal athletes. You mean the athletes themselves?

[Steve Austin]

Yes.

[Pat Miletich]

I mean, look, Chael Sonnen is one of the greatest talkers I've ever seen in the sport. And It's. And Conor McGregor can do the same thing, right? He can sell it. He can sell it.

[Steve Austin]

Yes.

[Pat Miletich]

And very few people are capable of that. You understand it because you did it for so many years, right? So there's only a few guys that really have that talent and can back it up. That's just the way it is. For me, when I was coming up in the sport, it was under so much scrutiny that none of us could do that. Right. As much as we wanted to emulate a Steve Austin, we couldn't do it because the sport was under so much scrutiny. I was doing televised debates with politicians who were trying to shut the sport down. And every politician, by the end of the debates would say to me, during the debate, I gotta agree with Mr. Miletic. He's right. He understands the statistics. You know, I'd look at a politician and go, it's not about safety. If it was about safety, you wouldn't be having Little League baseball, because seven kids die a year in that sport. So don't tell me. I go, 20 to 30 boxers die a year globally. So it's not about safety. It's because you're not getting your cut. That's what it is. And then he goes, you know, Yep, yeah, pretty much it all comes down to money. I go, so you're going to still try and ban this sport when it has nothing? You sit there and try and sell it on safety and you just admit on TV it's not about safety at all, it's about the money. I go, this is disturbing. It's very disturbing, the kind of shit we had to deal with. So I couldn't go out and talk in front of a camera and get all pumped up and do my. I had to be, you know, as much of a gentleman as I could to try and keep the sport alive. You know what I'm saying?

[Steve Austin]

So, yeah, man, it's interesting because, you know, going back to the growth period of the UFC to what it is right now, the money curve has. When did that money curve really start? 10 years ago.

[Pat Miletich]

Well, I mean, Shamrock and Tito, when they fought each other, got paid good. They definitely made some good money. Yeah. So I'm not sure exactly what year it was they first started that those two went at it, but I think that was the first, like, mega fight, right?

[Steve Austin]

And same thing whether it's football, baseball, pro wrestling, the same thing, right? As it grows, you go, through that curve. Hey, man, guys out there, you know, a lot of guys in the early football days, guys are playing for nothing.

[Pat Miletich]

Oh, yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And you know, now, I mean, getting destroyed when these guys that are still around and they got dang. And dude's making 20 million a year. And I did the same shit and I was better than him.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

But just the money wasn't there back in the day.

[Pat Miletich]

Right. And you, you know, you played football and were a very good football player. And you know how much punishment, I mean, running the ball, that's the most brutal freaking. I mean, that's the brutal position. Right. You're getting blasted by everybody constantly. That shit is hard on the body. I saw a lot of guys, I've had friends in the NFL and those guys are never the same if they play for a good number of years in the NFL. I mean, some of them, some of them are so addicted to painkillers and all the other stuff because their bodies are so ravaged that I just look at them and just go, man, it's just. Is it worth.

[Steve Austin]

Well, the sad part about it is they're less than 30 years old.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Steve Austin]

And they're already done.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

It's going to be an interesting. See what Adrian Peterson does this year as he signs with New Orleans.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

Splitting reps with. Was it Mark Ingram, I believe, who I really love both running backs and particularly Adrian Peterson.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And I think he's a stud athlete. I think he's going to. He's going to be. He's kind of exceptional. I believe he's 32, but I expect that guy to have a big year. But to your point, with the beatings that those guys take. And the running back position has also been devalued because it's such a throwing game these days.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

You know, quarterbacks, receivers. Well, obviously the quarterbacks are making the most money, but the receivers making big time money. Running backs, hard to get paid.

[Pat Miletich]

Right, right. I just, you know, I played football was my first love. I mean, I loved football. I played nose guard. Right. In high school and we had you weight 165, but I bet. But I was benching 365 back then. I was strong. Yeah, I was pretty strong guy. So they just wanted me because I was quick. If, if the guards pulled, I was in the backfield, I was causing havoc, all that sort of stuff. Right. And it was my. I knew for sure growing up that I was going to be an Iowa Hawkeye linebacker. I knew it 100% was going to happen. All My brothers are huge. They're six four, they're six five giant dudes, great athletes, fast, can dunk like friggin machines, do whatever they want, right? I didn't grow, I stopped growing. And you know, I was a good football player. I mean I felt that I definitely, if had I been bigger, I definitely could have done it. But it broke my heart. And I remember leaving college, when I left college, my mom got sick with heart problems, left school, came back home and I was working, pouring concrete during the day and then bouncing and bartending at bars at night, things like that. And I remember sitting in that house, in that basement, going, man, something, there's something out there. I'm destined to do something I can't. And I, I still feel like I'm looking for it, to be honest with you. But back then it was just like, this is not my destiny, this can't be it. I was supposed to do something, you know what I mean? And I'm sure you thought that way too your whole life, right?

[Steve Austin]

Well, you know, when I was in seventh grade, that's when you could first start playing organized football in Edna, where I grew up. So start in seventh grade, go through high school. Man, I got through high school, I weighed 205 when I graduated, man, I was a running back, played running back, linebacker, right? But man, I was slow. I mean, four, nine, that ain't great. But I was a north south runner because I run people over basically fast enough to run east to west. So I just ran north and south.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And then, boy, I thought, man, every Division 1 school was going to come down to Edna, you know, pick my ass up, right? I went to junior college. I told my mother's friend, I said, hey Evelyn, I'll go to junior college, make All American a couple of years and go D1. Shit. I went to junior college and found out there's some real badass football players that might be a little bit slow on the books, have dyslexia or some kind of learning disability, but they can flat out play some ball. I didn't even make all conference. Nonetheless, I got a football scholarship, but at the end of the day, you know, I blew my, I blew my wheel out and that was the start of my knee problems, right? I started working on the freight dock and then the rest is history. I saw a commercial on tv, got into a wrestling school and, and took off star for a couple of years and had a pretty good run. Yeah, but I knew the writing was on wall. But I'm the biggest football Fan in the world. Do you still watch to this day?

[Pat Miletich]

Dude, I can't. I don't even have. I don't watch TV that much.

[Steve Austin]

I don't watch TV either. But right now I'm watching playoffs.

[Pat Miletich]

Right. Right.

[Steve Austin]

You know, Golden State just smoked Cleveland.

[Pat Miletich]

Oh, yeah, I saw. I saw some of that game last night. It's like I don't watch sports anymore until it's a championship or something.

[Steve Austin]

Oh, yeah, well, it's. Well, with. With football, because It's a short 16 games. I. I got to stay tuned to that.

[Pat Miletich]

Right.

[Steve Austin]

Baseball, 152, 62, whatever it is. And then basketball. That's too many games for me.

[Pat Miletich]

Right.

[Steve Austin]

Short attention span. I'm watching. The playoffs are here. Some playoffs are here right now, so I'm digging that. Speaking of fights, did you see that little altercation between. I think when it was Bryce Harper in that picture?

[Pat Miletich]

Oh, yeah.

[Steve Austin]

He got hit with the pitch, Right hip charge a man. He threw his helmet and. Big miss with a helmet.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And then the pitcher caught him with a shot coming in. Dude, double leg that guy. Do something. He can't run to the mound and get and eat one, right?

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, no, it's. I feel. I feel kind of bad when I say because when I was young and I'd watch fights, before I knew how to fight, like, really fight, you know what I mean? I was a tough kid. Wrestled things like that, boxed a little bit. But when I'd watch fights and see people smacking each other, you know, you'd be like, oh, shit. You know, they're fighting. Well, now when I see a fight, they'll be like, pat, you need to go in and break that up. Like when I used to bounce, they go, pat, you got to break that up. And I go, why? They can't hurt each other. Look at them. This is hilarious. And so I just wait till they got tired, then just drag them apart. You know the thing.

[Steve Austin]

A lot of people, you know, someone get into a bar fight, man, they just gas out and just blow up in a hurry.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, yeah.

[Steve Austin]

When you start windmilling a person, I mean, in your attempt to fight, right, you're exerting full force, and you ain't been doing nothing but either drinking or smoking, you know, for the last, you know, couple years.

[Pat Miletich]

Doesn't last long.

[Steve Austin]

Doesn't last long. And like I said, yeah, be lucky if someone gets hurt.

[Pat Miletich]

I tell you what, you know, I'm sure you bounced, right?

[Steve Austin]

No, I never bounced. You never bounced in a club getting drunk.

[Pat Miletich]

So I bounced in a Bunch of clubs, right? And we had the guy that owned the bar, he goes, pat, I think I'm gonna start hip hop night.

[Steve Austin]

I go, dude, do you know how

[Pat Miletich]

many gangs are in the Quad Cities are gonna show up to this thing? Do you realize what you're gonna do? And he goes, it'll be fine. He goes, we'll have bouncers, you know, you'll be one. Yeah, I'm one of the bouncers. I got to pull this. I got to try and keep this under control, right? So anyway, the first hip hop night, a couple gangs are in there and they start fighting and I'm trying to break it up and they attack me, right? So now I'm getting attacked and this guy puts me in a headlock and it's winter out, it's cold out, and he had me in a headlock. So every person that was next to him who was trying to hit me, my head was kind of protected because his arm was around it, which kind of saved me for a little bit. So I grabbed him by the lapel of their coat and I'd pull them to me and I'd put their head next to mine. So I was in between both these guys heads and nobody could get to me. And I'd choke them unconscious. And I kept grabbing, I choked like three people unconscious. And then I got out of his headlock and got behind him, put him in a rear choke and went backwards out the door into the street right with him until he went limp and you felt his neck go grrr. All these vertebrae pop, right? So he goes unconscious. I drop him on the concrete and I'm out in the center of a four lane one way with a snowstorm coming down with. I'm back to back with like six cops. We're surrounded by over 100 people and the dogs are on the end of their leashes on their back, standing up on their back legs barking, trying to bite everybody around us, right? So, I mean, you know, those were the kind of fights that I was in routinely in those clubs, man. So I had a lot of, I had a lot of good, a lot of good street experience coming into mma,

[Steve Austin]

I think, well, you got a street experience and you had an MMA background. So like, if, if someone was coming at you with a knife or gun, how prepared are you for something like that?

[Pat Miletich]

It depends on the skill level. I've had a couple people try and when I was younger try and stab me, I had one guy try and shoot me. I can tell you this, that if somebody has a knife Run. Just don't stand. Knives are unforgiving, man. If somebody has a knife, get away from them. If they have a gun, get close to them. That's all I can tell people, you know, and you know, nothing's 100% obviously, right. I mean, we train people how to keep their weapons, we teach people how to deal with edged weapons, we teach cops how to use edged weapons. The karambits are what I suggest. My partner and I are developing some new karambits that make it easy for that blade to be a karambit is it's got an index finger loop on it, and it's shaped almost like an eagle's talon pointing away from you, the grip. So when you hold that loop around your index finger, you can find that in your pocket, easy. And when you pull it out, there's that tooth on the back of the blade that catches on your pocket and engages that blade and locks that blade out. So you can punch with it, you can slice with it, you can wrestle with it in your hands. You won't lose it because of that index finger, steel loop on it. A lot of people are developing the karambit loop now to have a knot on it so you can break a window out if you got to save somebody for cops, things like that. But it's a great tool for weapon retention to save your gun, if your guns getting taken off you, things like that. So. But yeah, knives. Knives are, man, a no go. I mean, if you took two knife experts and told them to knife fight to the death, and the winner was going to get a million dollars, neither one's collecting. They're both going to bleed out. There's people out there that will carve your ass up with a knife and not a whole lot you can do about it. Steve Austin, Unleashed.

[Steve Austin]

Unleashed. Do you know Paul Lazenby?

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Steve Austin]

Were you on. Were you in When We Were Bouncers?

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, yeah.

[Steve Austin]

The first one or second one?

[Pat Miletich]

I think the first one. Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

Okay. Because I read the book, but my memory's so damn bad. I don't know. I can't remember if I remember that story. Give me another bouncer story. Because I read the book 11. It just came out with When We Were Bouncers 2.

[Pat Miletich]

Okay.

[Steve Austin]

Check it out.

[Pat Miletich]

I just got.

[Steve Austin]

Paul Lazenby's book is just out. I haven't read it yet. I'm still working on it. Paul, he's supposed to be on the podcast.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, Paul's a great guy. He just sent me that book, too. Yeah, he's a cool guy. And we Met originally because I had a stalker who was starting websites about me and doing all kinds of stuff and sending out emails. He would copy and paste my name in the stories about, like, sex trafficking or selling drugs or this or that. Because he worked for the Gracies for a little while. And he sued the Gracies. Right. And that was his thing. He would get in with you. He was so intelligent. He had two master's degrees. And I was so gullible at that time, going into things, just never having dealt in big business, things like that. Right. I'm just an Iowa boy. Whatever. So what he does is he'd lure people in and then he'd file lawsuits against you. Well, I ended up countersuing the guy. I ended up winning a $2.1 million lawsuit against the guy. I buried him, but he was trying to ruin my life. He was a stalker, right? So Paul Lazenby wrote a story about me and not knowing that this guy was the one generating all the stories, right? So I messaged Paul and I go, dude, seriously? I go, this has been my wife's. I bought a 200 pound Mastiff to protect my family because of this psychopath. Right? And Paul goes, oh, I didn't know the story. So we ended up becoming really good friends out of that situation. I went up when I was in Canada, hung out with him and stuff. And. And he's really a cool freaking guy, man. He's a lot of fun to hang out with. Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

He's my stunt double on a couple low budget movies.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

That we did a barricade.

[Pat Miletich]

That's awesome.

[Steve Austin]

Would you shut that? Nora Dermot in the front. He was my stunt double in a couple of movies that I did up in Vancouver. And really, really nice guy. And when he shaves his head, looks a lot like me.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

Probably a little bit better looking than me.

[Pat Miletich]

He's a big dude, too. Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And, you know, he's got pro wrestling background. He's got an MMA background, so he's well versed.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

So we're doing this fight. Zane, I can't even remember the name of the movie was Damage. Okay. And so it's kind of a like a montage fight scene. And so, man, the act, the director says, action. And boy, we go to fighting. I start swinging and I'm just beating the shit out of Paul. He's taking all these punches. He's doing a wonderful job. And, man, I think I just sent like a swinging door. I think it was a swinging door left and I just swung it a little Wide. And my little finger just caught him right on the nose and pushed his nose over about an inch. And, you know, first of all, I never want to hurt anybody in a fight scene for a movie. And I'm like, God dang it. And we become really good friends. I like, God damn it. And he just looks at me and doesn't miss a beat. He says, keep going. So I keep swinging for about another 8 or 10 seconds. Get through the fight scene. Cut. And then, right then his nose just starts gushing. But it was great. I mean, we started laughing. You know, we laughed our asses off because he's a very tough guy and been a lot of fights. So it was. It was just a cool moment, right?

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

You ever doing movies? I saw you had one movie credit. You've done more or less.

[Pat Miletich]

I've done one movie that was a Paul Walker film called Bobby Z, based on the book Life and Death of Bobby Z.

[Steve Austin]

Who was Bobby Z?

[Pat Miletich]

Bobby Z was a. It was a fictional book about a guy that was dealing massive amounts of drugs through the Internet and all this sort of stuff, Right? So Paul Walker played Bobby Z in the movie, and they hired a new director last second, who was John Hirschfeld, who's a really good director out here. You know John Hirshfeld? Yeah, he's a really good friend of mine. And so John Hirschfeld calls me up and he goes, hey, listen, this movie didn't originally have any fight scenes, but so I want to put fight scene in it. I want you to help choreograph the fight scenes, and I want you to bring some fighters that you've got that you think can do a good job. So literally, we didn't do any training of the. The actors, of Paul Walker, of anybody for the fight scenes. Nothing was choreographed except the morning we were shooting, we would literally would. Would just make up the fight scenes as we went, right? And so that's what we did. And. And Rory Markham, who was on my IFL team, who fought in the ufc. Rob Lawler was in the movie. Tim Sylvia, Ben Rothwell, Gann McGee, Chuck Lydell. So we were all in the movie, and we had a blast. I'll tell you a great story about Lawler. So Lawler's in the movie, and he's already died in the. In the fight scene in the desert, right? And I'm getting ready to fight Paul next. And we're standing on top of these giant rocks in the desert in Mexico, in Baja, Mexico, and the true stunt coordinator comes up, and he goes hey, Pat. He goes, I need you to come down here for a second. And I go, well, hold on, I'm talking to the director, I'm talking to John right now. And he goes, no, dude, you need to get down here. Rob Lawlor's gonna kill the assistant producer. He's going to fucking kill him right now if you don't get down here. I went, oh, shit. So I ran, I get down there and Robbie's standing in front of the ceiling. Tony Adler was his name, he's a nice enough guy, but he pissed Rob off because they got Rob laying in the desert, right, all day and Rob's sitting there screaming at him. He's going, the problem on the movie was nobody was getting paid. They weren't doing what they said they were going to do. They owed me like 40 grand, right? And they weren't transferring the money into my bank account back home every day. They said, yep, we're doing it. They wouldn't do it. So I started talking to the, to the accountant for the movie. I go, dude, do you realize that people are getting pissed off? Like everybody on this set is going to revolt and come to that office and kill you, dude, including me. So you better get that money into my account. My wife is pissed. And so he kept lying to me, right? So anyway, Lawlor's pissed now because he heard me talking about this and he wasn't getting paid either. So Lawler goes, maybe he's standing there in front of the assistant producer going, maybe you didn't fucking understand me. He goes, you can put somebody else in my clothes and have them lay in this fucking desert. He goes, you're not paying anybody. He goes, I ought to beat your ass right here, right fucking now. And Tony Adler goes, well, hold on a second. He gets his walkie talkie and he goes, can I get Rob Lawler's SAG paperwork up here right now? He goes, does that make you happy, Rob? And Rob goes, alright again, maybe you didn't fucking hear me. He goes, I'm going to cave your fucking head in unless people start getting paid, right? And this guy's got sweat just gushing down. Poor guy's terrified, right? I go, rob, just go for a walk for a second. And I talked to Adler and I go, now you see, Rob's not very good at dealing with people who aren't being honest with him. I said, I got a little more patience, Tony, but something better happen here pretty quick. So anyway, I walk away from him. I go to find Rob, Rob's sitting In the back seat with Paul Walker's in the front seat of a Suburban. Chevy. Suburban. And all the windows are down. We're out in the middle of the desert. And Rob's going. He goes, you motherfuckers in Hollywood, he goes, all of you living make believe, this is boy. He goes, people got bills to pay. None of us are getting paid. And Paul Walker didn't know anything of this, and this is where he was getting paid. Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

So sadly, he's no longer with us, right?

[Pat Miletich]

And this is where Walker, where everybody said he was a good guy. I'm telling you, he was a true blue, solid dude. Because he goes, what? He goes, what do you mean nobody's getting paid? He goes, rob goes, nobody's getting paid. He goes, pat's not getting paid. They're not getting paid. He goes, the cameramen aren't getting paid. Nobody's getting paid, Paul. And he goes, oh, we're gonna fix this shit right now. Gets out, walks up to the assistant producer, Tony Adler, and goes, if the money is not in these people's accounts by the end of this day, this movie is done. We are done. We are packing the semis up and we are going back home. You understand me, Tony? And Tony goes, yes, sir. Yes, sir, Mr. Walker. So here's the funniest part, right? We're almost done with the movie. We're like a couple days away from getting it done. So my wife. I said to my wife, I go, that money said it's going to be there, right? So they. They owed me 40 grand, all right? They wire into my account the money. And my wife goes, hey, Pat, they wired in 400 grand into our bank account. They put too many zeros on it, right? So now here's the accountant. The next day, rushes to the SAT from the office, 10 miles away.

[Steve Austin]

Holly, you got leverage now.

[Pat Miletich]

He rushes and he drives, and he comes running up to me, literally, he's like, panicking. He goes, pat, we accidentally sent you a little too much money. I go, yeah, what are you talking about? And he goes, we sent you 360,000 extra dollars. He goes, can you have your wife wire that right back to me? And I go, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, she'll do it today. Yeah, I'll give her a call. Well, we didn't. Right. I was just had to mess with him now because he'd been lying to me for five weeks on the set, right? And so finally I'm like, yeah, now you're going to sweat for a while. So anyway, there were some People who still had not been paid. And one of them was a camera guy from Iowa who lived like 50 miles from where I live. And I go, you still haven't been paid? I go, okay. And so I told the accountant, I go, well, this guy Jim says he hasn't been paid. There's a couple other people that haven't been paid. I'm getting their numbers, and as soon as they let me know that they've been paid, I'll go ahead and wire that money back to you. So I took off from Mexico. I flew home, right. And it was literally not till another week later that everybody had been paid. And then I had the money wired back to object just to make his ass sweat.

[Steve Austin]

Man. That's a cool story, man. Did you not want to do any more movies? Was that enough for you or.

[Pat Miletich]

You know, I'd never been asked, you know, to be honest with you. That was just kind of.

[Steve Austin]

But did you enjoy it?

[Pat Miletich]

I had. Yeah, I had fun. I mean, there's a. There's a hell of a lot of hurry up and wait on movie sets, that's for sure.

[Steve Austin]

That part can be a little bit unnerving.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

But I like what Robbie said, because he was right. You could add anybody there with a. Probably hair back in as he was younger, whatever, but they could have had a damn. Anybody lay there on his stomach, you know, covered up in the desert, that would have to be Robbie.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

But a lot of times, well. And like, he laid there for many hours because he didn't know no better, and that's what they told him to do. But, you know, the more movies you own, it's like, hey, this is bullshit.

[Pat Miletich]

Right?

[Steve Austin]

Anybody can lay here.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah. You know, and Robbie's a sharp guy. Robbie's very quiet and soft spoken most of the time. But when he. When he. When he'd get mad or he'd act like just like a bomb went off. I mean, when he did stuff, he did stuff big time. Like one time, one of our guys, Tony Fricklin, who fought in the UFC that trained with me, was sitting on a bar after a fight that we did. It was an outdoor fight, and Jens Pulver fought on that card and won by knockout. And he was sitting on the bar, and we were kind of just hanging out, celebrating the guys from the camp. And it was in the Quad Cities where I live, but over in Rock Island, Illinois. Place called the District. And Tony's sitting on the bar with this really good looking Latino girl. She's beautiful and out of Nowhere. Rob is suddenly leveling these Latin King gangsters, right? Suddenly just. And so we just all jump into action, realize Rob's in a fight, and we start smashing these guys, right? We knock them all out. They're all just destroyed. And I go, robbie, what the hell? He goes, dude, I was watching these guys. They were talking constantly about going after Tony because he's with the friggin. One of the. One of the little princesses from the Latin Kings. She's like one of their girlfriends or something. So they were just getting ready to jump him and kick his ass, right? So Robbie's observant. He'll sit in the corner and he'll watch and be quiet. And yeah, sure enough, he probably saved Tony some serious problems on that. And I'm serious. A bomb going off when Lawler would fight like that in a bar situation, just mass destruction and quick, you know,

[Steve Austin]

those guys had to wonder, holy smokes, why are these guys so tough?

[Pat Miletich]

Well, look, and you know how it is. It's like if you're picking fights with. I'm not. I've got cauliflower ears. I'm not picking a fight with a guy with cauliflower ears. I'm just not going to do it. I just. I don't want to be in that kind of fight today. No, thank you.

[Steve Austin]

But that being said, with the cauliflower ears, how many people. Okay, you, You've not been in the octagon for a long time. Okay, Someone doesn't know who you are. How many people have you had come to a bar and try to start some shit with you?

[Pat Miletich]

You know, I still have people do it.

[Steve Austin]

Really?

[Pat Miletich]

Unfortunately, yeah, I still have people do it, but I don't.

[Steve Austin]

Okay, how do you diffuse the situation?

[Pat Miletich]

I go, I say, what do you do for a living? And they'll say, you know, construction work or whatever. And I just say, are you pretty good at it? And they go, yeah. I go, I worked as a professional fighter for a lot of years at one time held a world title in it, and I'm pretty good at it. That's probably the only thing I'm good at. And you're picking a fight with me. I go, just, just don't.

[Steve Austin]

Just.

[Pat Miletich]

I don't want to fight you. I don't. I used to get paid to do it. I don't like beating people up. I don't like hurting people. I don't like going to jail. And so it's just, let's just leave it alone. And usually they're in unless they're completely drunk, which, you know, is what it is. But I had a guy try and pick a fight with me one time, and I was with my girlfriend at the time and some friends and their girlfriends, and a guy literally walked up and bumped him into me on purpose for no reason and started challenging me to fight. And I go, I don't. Just. I'm with my girlfriend. Just go away. Right. I don't want to get in trouble. And. Because I had one time where I crushed a guy's face and I almost went to jail for it, and I had another time where I threw a guy down and he fractured his skull and almost died. Right. So I was done hurting people on the street. It was just too risky. And the guy goes, do you even know who you're fucking with? And I go, no, who am I? Who are you? Who are you? He goes, I'm Pat Miletich, mother. Right? And I go. And all my friends break out laughing and half of them fall on the ground laughing. And I go, you're who? He goes, I'm Pat Miletich. And I go. So I pull my wallet out and I get my driver's license out and I go, read that. He looks at it and it just instantly goes sheet white and looks up at me with his mouth open and I go, take my ID back out of his hand and I go, are you going to leave me alone now? And he goes, yeah, it turns around, walked away. I couldn't believe he did it.

[Steve Austin]

Out of all the names he could pull out of the air. He says, your name and it's you.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah. Imagine somebody doing that to you and going, I'm Steve Austin, mother. Right. Just some dude that's bald. And you're.

[Steve Austin]

You're pretty good friends with Boss Rudin, right?

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, yeah, really good friends.

[Steve Austin]

You heard the story between him and Brian Erlacher back in the day?

[Pat Miletich]

I. Yeah, he was. No, I wasn't. But he was gonna beat Erlocker's ass and the Earlockers didn't know who he was.

[Steve Austin]

Right, exactly.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And Erlocker started it. I mean, I think Boz, whatever. There was a mix up and Boz apologized profusely. As you know, Boz is extremely polite.

[Pat Miletich]

Right.

[Steve Austin]

And has enough wherewithal. I mean, he's been in a million fights.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And so he's not looking to get into an extra fight because he's been

[Pat Miletich]

there, done in his prime. He was one of the skills, the scariest humans ever.

[Steve Austin]

Still scary.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Steve Austin]

But anyway, that was, that was a Good.

[Pat Miletich]

The Erlacher shut up pretty quick. Then once they figured it out, everybody smarting him up, right? Right.

[Steve Austin]

Like, hey, dude, that's Miles Rooting. And all of a sudden, that slice of humble pie. Hey, yeah, Shake your hand, you know? Okay, it's cool. Because boss offered. Boss offered, you know, Brian a drink. Hey, it's cool. It's cool, right? And you just completely did everything the right way.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

All of a sudden, you know, Brian Ehrlich finds out, whole different story.

[Pat Miletich]

Oops. One of those oops. Yeah. So I was in Roppongi in Japan, in Tokyo.

[Steve Austin]

Jesus.

[Pat Miletich]

What happened? I'm with Bas Rootin, right? Oh, no, it's Boss and I in Roppongi. And did you drink back in and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we. We had both fought on the. We had both fought on the card.

[Steve Austin]

I owe everybody a beer.

[Pat Miletich]

We had both fought on a card, and we were out celebrating in Roppongi, and so all of a sudden, these big giant Nigerians who are bouncers there come walking right toward me. They're staring at me. And I'm sitting there going with these. What do they want with me? It's like, they're gonna kick my ass or something. Well, they walk up and one of them goes, Mr. Militich. And these guys are like, six. Six, just big dudes, right? And one of them goes, Mr. Miletich. And I go, yeah. They go, could you do us a favor? I go, okay, sure. You know, what the am I gonna say to these guys that kick my ass? They go, can you please get told, Mr. Rutten, to get off the bar? So I look over, there's boss with his shirt off dancing, right? He's over there dancing and drinking and stuff and having a good time. And I go, all right. Yeah. Well, no, I said. I go, you guys work here. I go, go tell him you got off the bar. He'll get off the bar. And they go, we're not going anywhere near that dude. These guys are scared to death of him. Right? So I walk over and I finally talk Boss into getting off the. Getting off the bar. And then my manager actually put us in a cab, paid the cab driver and goes, take these guys back to the hotel and get them out of here.

[Steve Austin]

Hey, man, I'm looking at you and watching you move your neck. Didn't you. You ultimately left the Octagon or retired from fighting. I know one. You're very dedicated to your wife and your family, so that was a concern. But also, there are some neck issues. I had a C3.4 fusion, some stenosis, bone spur, all that stuff. And I got SP spiked on my head. An axial load and some, you know, just. Just some nervous system problems.

[Pat Miletich]

Right.

[Steve Austin]

What was your neck issue that kind of. Did it force the hand, or was it the family that made you say, hey, man, I've been doing this long enough. Let me take myself out of harm's way so that I can take care of my family? Or was it that conversation that you spoke of a while ago with Brian Stanton?

[Pat Miletich]

Well, anybody with one eye and half a brain would have stopped long before I stopped. I mean, when I had the initial neck injury, I lost all use of the left side of my body. During that time, everything atrophied, and I had to rebuild. I had three neurosurgeons tell me that I had to have surgery. No if, ands, or buts about it. And I kept saying, no. I just said, no, I'm not going to do it. And they said, you know, we need to fuse these two together at the time now, C5, C6, C7, have all fused together on their own naturally. I never had a surgery, but I was actually paralyzed from the neck down twice in training. One time I was grappling with a guy and my neck got jammed back. Anything whiplashing, I would have problems with at the time. And so I just went completely limp. Like, I just fell down like a sack of potatoes and said, oh, my neck. And then another time, I was sparring with one of my fighters. I was training for my last fight against Thomas Denny. And the original injury, when I heard it was training for a fight with Frank Trigg, I was going to fight Trigg. And so anyway, I got hit by an uppercut the last time that happened. And it wasn't a hard punch or anything. It just was the quick whipping back of the head that snapped my neck. And I went limp again, and I was done. And I remember laying there and not being able to move and saying, you know, you're a complete dumbass. What are you doing? You know, this has got to stop, man. This has got to stop. And so I. That's. That's right before my last fight. So I went out and I did that fight like that, right? I had come back from it. My arms were working again. I had atrophy. This arm still atrophied. You can see how it's smaller than this one. You can see the muscles twitching and stuff. Yeah, yeah. So I said to myself, I can't get hit by Thomas Denny at all. And it's not like I was worried about getting hit by him at all before, if I would have been healthy. But because of my neck the way it was, literally, I didn't want to get paralyzed. And so he never touched me in the fight. He never hit me in the head. And that's about the. I don't know, a minute or so into the second round, I crushed him with a right hand and knocked him out really, really bad. It was a really violent knockout. I actually felt bad about doing it to him, but that was. That showed me right there that if I really didn't want to get hit, I could have been doing that my whole career. And I never got knocked out in sparring and boxing, kickboxing, anything like that, but I didn't. I really didn't need to get hit. Like, I got hit throughout my whole, you know, my whole career.

[Steve Austin]

But explain this to me. You just said you hit him with, I think with a nasty right hand, and you felt bad about knocking him out. So, so bad. I mean, how do you say that? You were a fighter.

[Pat Miletich]

And it ruined him, though. It really. It really ruined. I mean, he was not on you. No, no, not necessarily. No. I just never, you know, it wasn't. I didn't like fighting because I liked hurting people. You know what I mean?

[Steve Austin]

I got you.

[Pat Miletich]

I like competing.

[Steve Austin]

Yes.

[Pat Miletich]

So with him, he had such a horrible concussion from the. From the. From. From the knockout that Frank Trigg had him on his radio show, I think it was two weeks later. And he asked him, he goes, how hard does Miletich hit? And he goes, dude. He goes, I still have a massive headache from it. He goes, it's really, really bad. And every time I see Thomas, I just, you know, he's a real nice guy and stuff. So, yeah, I just think, boy, I really fucking hurt him. You don't want to hurt people that bad.

[Steve Austin]

I understand that. The way you put that. I get it. You got that for the win, right? Kill anybody, just get the winners fight right?

[Pat Miletich]

And, you know, perfectly healthy with a solid neck. I probably could have done that, gone out, put him on the ground, submitted him, or done whatever I wanted to do type thing, but because I had to end it with, like, just one brutal shot because I didn't want to get into a. Trading punches because my neck was so bad.

[Steve Austin]

So does it limit you in any way, shape or form with respect to physical activity now?

[Pat Miletich]

You know, it's not.

[Steve Austin]

Not.

[Pat Miletich]

It's not real stiff. It's not too bad. I mean, I can. I Can still turn my head, things like that. I can still do CrossFit workouts, pull ups, all that sort of stuff, you know, so it's, it's not too bad. I mean, my posture has always been bad from wrestling my whole life, I think, you know, so I try to run straight up and down as long as I can because that there's, you know, when you run on a 40 or 50 mile run, training run and you're bent over the whole time, you know how bad that ends up hurting your hamstrings and your low back and everything. So I'm constantly trying to remind myself to stand straight up when I'm running.

[Steve Austin]

So tell me about these CrossFit workouts you do. Because I host a show on CMT. We're about to start shooting on July 21st. It's called Broken Skull Challenge. So I get guys out there from. And gals, right? Some of the best athletes in the United States of America.

[Pat Miletich]

It's an awesome show.

[Steve Austin]

CrossFit, Spartan Race, you know, tough mudder, obstacle course racing.

[Pat Miletich]

Right.

[Steve Austin]

But some of these CrossFitters and there's a couple of guys that are on the production staff that are crossfitters and man, guy comes over to my little gym. I just got a power rack over there with some dumbbells. It's just a little Mickey Mouse setup. It's all I need though.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And we're out there shooting. I live on set so I can avoid to drive, right? And he goes, man, you ought to do some of this and this and that's and all this other stuff. And I'm like, hey man, you don't understand. He goes, I've had two shoulder surgeries and you know, this, I don't, you know, I've been beat to shit, right? And he goes, oh man, I had a couple shoulder surgeries, you know, I still do it. I'm like, I don't give a fuck what you did, you know, I don't care what surgery you had, everything is done different.

[Pat Miletich]

Right.

[Steve Austin]

So what kind of crossfits? And I respect CrossFit as far as, you know, let me see if bodybuilding is progressive resistance to build mass. I mean, just with respect to change in body composition and get in shape, you know, with X amount of weight versus reps for a shorter period of time, that that's your goal. So.

[Pat Miletich]

Right.

[Steve Austin]

It's a progressive, you know, workout.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And you've seen tremendous. I love to watch CrossFit games every year. But anyway, my point is, or my question is with you being Somewhat beat up. What kind of crossfit shit can you do?

[Pat Miletich]

Well, I like kettlebells. I like med balls, I like all that stuff. And the guy that taught me that stuff long before CrossFit even existed, he came out of the Turner Halls, which were when the Germans immigrated to America. They started Turner Halls, and that's where they, in Germany, trained their youth to be warriors, to protect the nation eventually, right? So if you're functionally fit, you can be taught to do anything, whether it's drive a tank, shoot a gun, fight with a knife, play football, do whatever, right? You're just functionally fit. You can run, jump, climb, do whatever

[Steve Austin]

you got to do, right?

[Pat Miletich]

So that's what it was about. But he was the guy that was teaching me how to. How to use kettlebells, how to use med balls, all that sort of stuff. Indian clubs, you know, the club swinging, all that, the big malls, all that sort of stuff. He was teaching me all of that stuff way back in the day. And I've still got tons of that equipment, right? So that's the stuff that I always like doing. But one of my, like, favorite road workouts, I did it a few weeks ago, this one. I tell you what, tell your CrossFitters to do this one. It's 15 burpees, then you run a mile 10 times. So you do 150 burpees, and you run a total of 10 miles and do that workout. I did it in the hotel, like, yeah, three weeks ago or something. That's a freaking great.

[Steve Austin]

Where'd you run the mile at?

[Pat Miletich]

On the treadmill. You just get on the treadmill. It's freaking. Haul ass and get done with that, and then get back, get back off, do your burpees, get back on the treadmill. Just keep going back and forth. It's freaking. And it can go all the way down to a quarter mile if you want. Do 10 burpees, do a quarter mile 10 times just to get started. You know what I mean?

[Steve Austin]

How long did it take you?

[Pat Miletich]

Like 220, something like that?

[Steve Austin]

How many times a week you doing this kind of stuff?

[Pat Miletich]

Well, here's a. You know what? You got to do the strength stuff for ultras. You can't be like, marathoners will go out and blow up on Leadville because the altitude. And they're expected to be able to run fast for that long through that type of terrain in that altitude. You just can't do it. So you want to be fairly strong, too. So it's kind of a balance. But my running Coach David Clark, who's one of the coolest dudes I've ever met in my life. You love David. You need that guy on this podcast. His story is freaking incredible. I'm telling you, he's such an inspiration. But he just wrote my workout for June going into July and it's pretty intense. He's got one day is 11 miles of speed work. So it's not just an 11 mile run. You're doing speed work for 11 miles. Then the next day is the incline workout where you're doing 10 incline on the treadmill at 4.2 miles an hour. You're going to walk that fast for walking up mountains fast, right? And getting over them. Then the next day is three three mile runs, which are one's level at moderate pace. The next one's at 4% incline, pushing it hard. The other one's all out flat. And then you take a day off, then you run for three hours straight. Three hours straight and then you take a day off. So he calls that the sandwich, the ultra sandwich. And in the middle of that we'll do an eight hour run and then at the end of it, we're going to do a 24 hour training run and he's going to come out from Colorado to crew me for that. Because when you do a 24 hour run, you need fluids, you need food, you know you're eating while you're moving, all that sort of stuff. The idea is just don't, it's called just perpetual forward motion. Just don't stop moving because once you do, your legs can seize up. I've sat down during long runs and it gets, it gets ugly to get started.

[Steve Austin]

So what are this guy's qualifications to be a running coach?

[Pat Miletich]

He's finished I think 35 over 100 mile races. He finished at least once. I know of Badwater, which is. You know about Badwater?

[Steve Austin]

Nope.

[Pat Miletich]

That's the 100 mile race, 135 mile race through Death Valley, up into the mountains, 10,000ft up into the mountains. You have to run on the white line so that your shoes don't delaminate and melt. He hallucinated for nine hours during that race. The white line on the side of the road that he ran on opened up and had a mouth and talked to him for nine hours and told him how he didn't belong there and that he wasn't a world class runner and couldn't finish. This is the kind of shit this guy does. He ran 48 hours straight for 188 miles. For charity on a treadmill. Imagine that madness. This guy did 10, 10 massive events in one year and ran across the United States.

[Steve Austin]

How old is this guy?

[Pat Miletich]

46, 47. David Clark. And he started out a 320 pound alcoholic. He's a badass. And now he's going to do his first MMA fight at the end of this summer for charity. For the charity that raises money for the Heron Project, which raises money for heroin addiction to get people clean and sober again.

[Steve Austin]

You give him tips on his mmad? Yeah, yeah.

[Pat Miletich]

So when every once in a while we're able to meet on the road. He took me for a workout just when I was over by Colorado Springs. We did the incline over there. You ever done that one? Nope.

[Steve Austin]

Holy.

[Pat Miletich]

That's a rough one, buddy. Straight up. I mean, that's hardcore, but we did it twice back to back. And it's so easy for him. He's so efficient that he can, he can literally go, he can do that stuff without even breathing hard. He's like 158 pounds, 160 pounds looking at right now probably 191.

[Steve Austin]

And you're 510.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, you're.

[Steve Austin]

You're pretty solid.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm just continually bleeding the weight off right now for the race, so I want to be.

[Steve Austin]

What do you want to weigh When

[Pat Miletich]

I got to be under, under 180, I'd like to be 175 for the race.

[Steve Austin]

Okay, man, if you're going to do that workout you just told me, running 10 miles and doing 150 burpees. Okay. And it's going to take you about 220. There's no telling how many calories you're burning just within that window and not throwing in, just natural metabolism, BMR on top of that. So my question is, what are you doing for nutrition on a day to day basis?

[Pat Miletich]

I'm slowly going more and more vegan, to be honest with you. I eat a little bit of meat still, mostly eggs for my protein if I'm going to get it from an animal source. But like David Clark, he's vegan. A lot of these guys, a lot of these great athletes, there's good MMA guys out there that are vegan, there's power lifters that are vegan. It's crazy, but they say that and I can feel it, that your recovery is better, you end up recovering better. And I'm a guy that, I'm telling you, man, I love a bone in ribeye. I love it, but I Can feel it, how it does slow me down, things like that, when I eat it. You know what I mean?

[Steve Austin]

Are you using any kind of supplements, like protein, any kind of whey protein, to get some protein in your system?

[Pat Miletich]

I won't use whey protein because it's from dairy. Now, like in my coffee, I'll use almond milk, cashew milk, things like that, because.

[Steve Austin]

Yeah, but there's not a shit pile of calories in that. Where are you going to book your calories from? Because all the activity you're doing, you should be 120 pounds. I mean, in theory.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

Calories in, calories out.

[Pat Miletich]

Right. Well, you know what I eat? Like I say, I get a lot of. A lot of calories from eggs. I eat a lot of nuts. I eat a lot of, you know, salads. I eat tons of avocados, all that type of stuff. So I pretty much have a human garbage disposal. I can eat anything. I've never eating anything that I didn't like. So I. You know, I'm eating constantly. Trust me.

[Steve Austin]

You listening to kind of music, you know, I.

[Pat Miletich]

Here's the crazy thing. When I had the gluten thing going on, I wouldn't listen to music. It was noise to me. I hated music for years.

[Steve Austin]

Well, there's a lot of bands out there these days.

[Pat Miletich]

But now, you know, once I quit eating the gluten, my brain cleared up and I suddenly realized that I liked music again. Isn't that crazy?

[Steve Austin]

Okay, so then what would I find in your Pandora or your everything?

[Pat Miletich]

Everything from. From, I mean, Metallica to country to even, you know, I'll listen to some Sinatra, stuff like that. I like. I'm pretty. Pretty varied, really, to be honest with you. Really?

[Steve Austin]

Anything new these days? A lot of this new stuff I just don't understand. And I. I hate to sound like a stick in the mud, but I just don't get it. I'm just still kind of trapped back in the good old days of shit. That was really good.

[Pat Miletich]

Well, yeah. I mean, synthesizers and computers and all this stuff, the musicians. We're losing a lot of the musical talent out of it. I've never really liked to rap or anything like that because it just. Look, I'm a white boy from Bettenurth, Iowa, all right? I don't communicate with bitches in terms of bling and my Caddy and my curb feelers and shit and whatever. Not to say the obvious, but I never connected with me, right? Because that's not the way I lived. I drove a rusty old pickup Truck and rustled in Iowa, so that's the way that was. But so most of the new stuff, I mean, thankfully one of my daughters who's a really talented singer, likes country. So she'll say, dad, will you put country on on the radio? Because I'm listening to Andrew Wilkow. He's on Sirius XM125, Patriot. Andrew Wilcow's the best radio host, talk radio host ever on the frickin planet. In my mind, I've been on his show a couple times. Listen to that guy on Patriot Radio125, Andrew Wilcow. He'll blow your mind.

[Steve Austin]

What'd you talk about? I'll check it out. What did you talk about?

[Pat Miletich]

It's the same stuff I love to talk about geopolitical and domestic policy stuff. And he will dismantle and destroy anyone who argues with him. He does it with facts. I would never want to try and get into the debate and take an opposing stance on that with him because he's so good at it. And I love debate. I've loved debating since, like I say, I was debating politicians about MMA and wrecking them. Right, right. I would never even try to debate this guy. He's so sharp. He'd run me over like a trip.

[Steve Austin]

Hey, man, you got any funny MMA fight stories? Because, I mean, for, for the most part, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's tactical stuff, it's strategic stuff.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah, I've got a ton of. Yeah, there's a lot of funny stories,

[Steve Austin]

like something that, you know, the, the vicious right hand. And the guy's not the same, but I mean, what we will. Here, here's one. Not. Probably not even your league went over to South Africa. And you know, when you travel and you go into a different country, man, your diet changes, so your body changes a little bit too.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah.

[Steve Austin]

And so all of a sudden you get that new food that's kind of like when you switch your dog off one food to another.

[Pat Miletich]

Right.

[Steve Austin]

It gives them shits. Yeah, same thing with the human body. You probably noticed we're down in South Africa as I was wrestling a guy named Yokozuna. Yoko weighed about 700 pounds, right?

[Pat Miletich]

Massive.

[Steve Austin]

God dang, man. We was having a good match and he was a wonderful, smart mowing guy. And he picked me up and slammed me. And when he did, I just myself and I said, goddamn. I wore black trunks, thankfully. And I told this story with Chevella, the Voice versus the Stone Cold. Anyway, so I slammed me, I shit myself. And I'm thinking, you know, in the ring, when we got an issue, you know, you can say, I looked at him, I said, yoke, when we want to go home and end the match, you know, we just, hey, let's go home. I looked up at Yolk, I see my pants. I said, yoke, go home. And he goes, okay, brah. So we did the finish, and I got the hell out of the ring and went to clean. Cleaned myself up. Is any kind of just bullshit stories?

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah. You know, the funny stuff is when, I mean, even after something bad happens, like a guy gets knocked out, right? So Joe Dirksen's fighting Patrick Cote. Joe Dirksen used to come down and train with us constantly from Canada, right? And Patrick Cote's a French Canadian. Canadian. Both tough guys. Dirksen was an incredible grappler. First round, early in the fight, Cote catches him with a punch and drops him, and he goes down. Dirksen survives the first round. They go out, Dirksen's getting smashed around again by Cote. I think they end up on the ground. Goes to the third round, and Dirksen's taking more of a beating and ends up taking his back, though, and catches Patrick Cote with a choke with like a minute left in the fight or whatever it was. And so anyway, we get back to the locker room, and he comes in and he sits down and he looks at his hands and they got wraps on him. He goes, did I just fight? And I go, well, yeah. And he goes, who did I fight? I said, you fought Patrick Cote. He goes, are you serious? I just fought Patrick Cote. I go, yeah. And he goes, what organization did we fight in? I said, the ufc, dude. And he goes, holy shit. I fought Patrick Cote in the ufc. I go, yeah. And he goes, well, what happened? I go, well, he dropped you early in the fight. You were hurt, but you came back and you caught him with a choke. You beat him. And he goes, holy fuck. He jumps up, he's like, holy shit, I beat Patrick Cote in the ufc. This is fucking incredible. And then he looks at me and he goes, pat Miletich, how you been, man? I haven't seen you forever. And we are just dying, dying laughing in the locker room. And same thing with Hughes. Hughes got knocked out over in Dubai, or not Kuwait, when he fought Jose Pelelandi in an eight man tournament. That's the holy grail of fight of UFC or MMA fights, that tournament. If you can find a DVD of that fight, everybody's looking for those, right? Because they had Dave Mone, Carlos Newton, Jose Pelelandi, Matt Hughes, a guy named Barkaloff, who was the scariest man on the planet at the time. People are lucky he didn't make it to the ufc, I think, because he was a Chechen terrorist. Basically. He's a psychopath. Right. And a couple other really tough Russians. Right. Toughest eight man tournament I've ever seen in my life. And Monet ends up winning that damn thing. He beats Barkaloff in the championship. The Chechens wanted. They were going to try and kill us, but the Navy SEALs that were there got in the cage behind them. And so it was us and the Navy SEALS against the Chechens all of a sudden with all the sheiks sitting in their luxury couches. Right? But anyway, Hughes got knocked out by Jose Pelelandian. It was kind of a flash knockdown, I thought, you know, And Hughes was grabbing for his leg still. And John McCarthy steps in, stops it. And McCarthy's over there refing. So he's walking Hughes toward me, and he's facing me like you are. McCarthy is. And Hughes is back to me, and John's kind of holding him up by his shoulders, walking him backwards. And I'm going, john, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you stopping the fight? I go, he was still trying for a takedown. And Hughes turns like this and looks

[Steve Austin]

over his shoulder at me.

[Pat Miletich]

He goes, what's going on? What happened? And I go, all right, good. Stop. It's John. John looks at me, goes, you see

[Steve Austin]

what I'm talking about? Yeah.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah. So.

[Steve Austin]

God dang. I was watching. It was one of your fights, one of Robbie's early fights. How long has Big John been around?

[Pat Miletich]

He started with the very first one, and he was an LA cop, you know, for a lot of years. He's a tough son of a bitch himself.

[Steve Austin]

Yeah, I think he lives over lunch.

[Pat Miletich]

Okay. Yeah. But he. He started with UFC 1, I'm almost 100% sure. And they told him, don't stop these fights back then.

[Steve Austin]

Oh, really?

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah. You let the butchery happen. Do not stop them. They have to tap out or they go unconscious. That's it.

[Steve Austin]

Hey, man, it was good talking to you. The podcast one more time because it's gonna be on a different episode.

[Pat Miletich]

Yeah. The Conspiracy Farm. And they can find it on YouTube. And then also for anybody out there who's interested in law enforcement, military stuff, the firehorse combatives, calm.

[Steve Austin]

And that's the bottom line, because Pat Mellon just said so. God damn. It's. Pleasure talking to you.

[Pat Miletich]

Thank you, sir.

[Steve Austin]

All Right, everybody give me the go home cues. Time to wrap up his podcast and ride off in the sunset and pack my bag so I can head down to Santa Barbara for a little bit of a vacation. Two day vacation, but a vacation nonetheless. Hey, I want to remind you, coming up on this next Thursday show, I'm going to start doing a segment with Wade Keller of the Pro Wrestling Torch. We will be shooting the breeze about the business of professional wrestling for about 10, 15, 20 minutes. Whatever it turns into, it's going to turn into, man, that's how I run this show. So we'll see how it goes. But I will incorporate some time into the show as myself and Wade Keller from the Pro Wrestling Torch break down the current events of what's going on in the pay per view world. Monday night Raw and Smackdown that is coming up starting next Thursday. Please check it out. Hey man. ProWrestlingtease.com Steveall says all them damn shirts I worn last season of Broken Skull Challenge. We're about to start filming a new season, so that means I'll have more new shirts coming out. And I got some doozies coming up. This season. My beer is available at Whole Foods and Total Wines. If you live in California, it's called Steve Austin's Broken Skull ipa and it's the best goddamn IPA in the United States of America. If you can't find it in Cali, check insidethecellar.com and see if they ship to your state. And as far as everything Steve Austin related, you can go to my website, Brokenskullranch.com and that includes the Cold Steel Broken Skull knife and the Working Man Knife. I gotta say one more time, thank you to all the fine sponsors of the Steve Austin Show. That's how I'm able to do this podcast for you twice a week for free. And you can find all my [e-mail] just click on the killer deals button at the top of the page and then click on the Steve Austin show banner. Hey folks, keep listening. The 62nd AP news headlines are coming up next. Until then, my name is Steve Austin and I will catch your ass down the road. Download new episodes of Steve Austin Unleashed every [e-mail] that's podcastone.com.