
We speak with retired Green Beret Dave Harris about his path from the 82nd Airborne to 3rd Special Forces Group, including deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Africa. We also get into Special Forces selection, crisis-response missions, CQB...
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Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Hey, guys, welcome to the Teamhouse. I'm Jack Murphy here today with our guest, Dave Harris. Dave had a nice long army career here. He served in the 82nd Airborne before transitioning over to 3rd Special Forces Group where he spent 17 years. Lots of Afghan deployments in different contexts. And then he was part of the crisis response force when it kind of took over responsibility for the African continent and then finished out his career as a cephalic instructor and today works with a training company, you know, through Vortex Optics. So, Dave, thank you for joining us on the show today.
Dave Harris
No, thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here, man.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So, Dave, the first question I always ask folks is if you tell us a little bit about kind of like your upbringing and sort of like how that took you towards military service, like, what was it like for you growing up?
Dave Harris
So I grew up in the Bay Area, Richmond, California to be exact. I've always had a affiliation with guns. Loved him to death my whole life. So much so that my family wouldn't let me play with them. So. So, like I loved guns my whole life. I always wanted to be like military. I mean, more like law enforcement. When I was growing up, my mom was a single mom. Had me when she was 18, I will say my dad went to prison and was away, so he was gone. I don't really know him. Didn't have much contact. So when people say like a village, like my mom had me at 18, I was the first grandbaby. So like my uncles and my aunties and my grandparents, like everyone raised me like I was the only one for like seven years. So everyone chipped in to raise me. So like we live with my grandparents, so they had the most influence. But my uncle Donald, my mom from Grandpa beach, everyone just chipped in and raised me up. And then I was in. I went to college playing basketball somewhere. I got off the like gun thing and I went to college playing basketball. And. And so I was playing basketball in college at Western New Mexico University, and I realized that it was levels to this basketball thing and I wasn't going to go pro. So I was like, man, what am I going to do? So I decided I was sitting there and I'm not going to lie to you. I was sitting in my dorm room and I was watching Black Hawk down. And I'm so simple minded. I walked in Black Hawk down and I was like, I'm going to go do that. And the next day I walked down to the recruiter and I was like, hey, man, I want to go do that. And he was like, okay, you want to be infantry? And then I Went to MEPs in New Mexico. Got into New Mexico, went to MEPs. She was. And this is what I mean by simple minded. They were like, hey, how long you want to do? And I was like, just sign me up for 20, let's go. And she was like, how about three? I was like, all right, three it is. And so she said, what do you want to do? And I told her, look, I. I want to put on a ruck and I want to run. She was like, you want to ruck and run? I was like, yeah, so what job you got that's gonna let me do those two things? And she was like, okay. And they, they didn't put me infantry. They made me a 14 Sierra Stinger missileman. So I got to that. And then. You want me to keep going about the army piece?
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, sure. I mean, I. I think, you know, it's. It's. Yeah, definitely. Go ahead.
Dave Harris
Okay. So when they put me as a 14 Sierra, I went to Korea for my first duty station. Okay.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay.
Dave Harris
One year in Korea and I was sitting in Korea and I was like, this is nothing like Black Hawk Down. So I'm getting out right So I was like, I'm getting out. So I went. I. My first sergeant was like, hey, you're going airborne. You're high speed private. I want to put you in airborne school, get you in. So a month into Korea, I knew I was going to the airborne school, going to the 82nd. My first sergeant had called, and that's before I knew about calling D. A and talking to your branch manager. I didn't know any of that. First sergeant took care of it all just because I sang cadence on some runs. So he's like, oh, you're good. I like you. So he. He pulled some strings and got me there. I. I did a year in Korea, went to the 80s. I went to airborne school en route, married my wife while I was en route to airborne school, hit airborne school, and then went straight to the 82nd. And I never left Fort Bragg after that.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, man. Yeah, you were flying. I mean, you were a recruiter's dream, too, to, like, walk through the door, be like, yeah, man, I just want to carry a rucksack. Like, what can we do here? They're like, yeah, I got something for you.
Dave Harris
Yeah. Like, my recruiter would leave me in the recruiting station by myself because he knew I was the type of kid, like. Because he was like, dude, I don't even have to sit sell you. You already a believer.
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Dave Harris
I was like, look, man, I'm like, if I'm gonna do it, let's just do it.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So what year did you arrive in? The 82nd?
Dave Harris
So I got to Fort Bragg in 2003.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay. Okay, cool. So now the war is popping off, and you're going to, you know, a rapidly deploying airborne unit. What was it like? Where did you touch down? The 82nd.
Dave Harris
So I touched down in the 82nd. I got there. I. So I touched down right on our dens. It was, I want to say, 5.5ada, second brigade at the time before they break everything to those BCTs. And so I got there, and my unit had just got back from Iraq literally, like, two months before I showed up. So they had a year train up before we were going to go to the next trip. So we had a lot of combat experience through that, and that was during the time where people were making rank real fast. So I was in for maybe two years, and I was in E5. Wow.
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Dave Harris
So I was going to Iraq as an E5. And then we took our unit to Iraq as an E5. And then they took half the. Half the guys they took and put in prison because it's no air defense mission in Iraq. So half the guy just got cut and they became prison guards and, and I don't know how they determined who was going to be the PSD convoy convoys and all that stuff. But I got put as convoy escorts and, and all that good stuff. So I just did that all the whole time. PSD missions and convoy escorts and I was like. And the whole time and we used to, we used to, I had a SF major who used to ride with us and we used to bring him and he would do all these meetings and like the G capitals and everywhere and we do that for a while and me and him would be. Because he would plug into our comms right in the car. Like he would have his own peltors plug in. So we couldn't talk about him or nothing because he was plugged into the net, right? He plug in and we would be. Because you could talk internally and you could talk externally. We're talking internally and I'm just like, look man, here's the deal. I, I, I don't mean to talk bad about it, but I was like, I was like, I can do more than this for my country. I was like, I get it, I don't understand because I'm a, I'm E5 but I've been in army two years. I don't understand by taking him to meet the provincial governor, the implications of that meeting and all that stuff. I don't understand that. I'm just like, I'm just a taxi driver, bro. I can do more than this. And that's so he was like, well, if you feel you could do more to this, you should go ahead and try out for SF and blah blah blah and all this stuff. So I, we were doing missions and I bump into fifth group criff guys in Iraq and me and him are talking and I'm like, hey man, what, what do you do? And he's saying I do sf. And I'm like, I don't really know what that is. By this point, Blackhawk down is not even on my head no more. I'm like, dude, I'm getting out, right? So I was like, I don't know what that is, blah blah, blah. But by the end of Iraq, right, Because the bonuses were real good. I was like, okay, I wanna, I wanna reenlist and I want to go cascout. But my intentions was when I get back to the States, I'm going to sf. Like I already knew I was going to do this selection and my, and my, and if it wouldn't have worked out, they would have screwed me. Right? Because he was like, well, just take the bonus, because if you re. If you reclass, you're going to owe that new MOS some time. Right? So I was like, okay, I don't want to do that. So he was like, just stay your old mos, get your reenlistment bonus and go sf. And I was like, you know what? That sounds like a plan. So I reenlisted, and if I wouldn't have got selected, I'd have hated life as a air defense guy still.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So you went to SFAS in like,
Dave Harris
0405, soon as we got back from that trip. So I got there in 2003. 06.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
06. Okay. And so did. It sounds like maybe you didn't have a lot of time to, like, prepare for SFAs before you went.
Dave Harris
No. So I. We were doing missions in Iraq, but when we were like, go on a convoy, we take them to, like, major places. Like, we go to the embassy or we go to a major compound so they can meet this governor. Well, they had gyms and everything, so I would do. I would do, like, work out there, lift weights and stuff. And then when we come back, I would just be like, okay, me. And I actually had a captain, well, lieutenant at the time who was training up, too, so he was like our xo, and we would put on our rucksack and just walk around camp. I think victory at the time.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yep.
Dave Harris
No, I was just like, all right, let's do that. And then my platoon sergeant at the time was really a good guy, and he could. And it's the 82nd, so he could run like crazy. So he would just like, in 80 seconds, that's all you do. So. So I would. He would make us run all the time because he didn't believe in, like, not doing PT test because we were deployed. So we were doing. Every six months, we were doing a PT test or something. So, like, we were still working out, but I was like, I'm going to do this. So I would, like, get up, do our mission, go lift weights, come back from that. And then I would do my cardio at night.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, you kind of had to. When it was like, 110 degrees during the day.
Dave Harris
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So how did. How did SFAs go when you. When you got there?
Dave Harris
So we got back from our deployment, I put in my packet the, like during leave, and I literally. We came off a leave, and I already had my selection date and my platoon Sergeant, I remember him being like, when you were going to tell me that you were going to selection next week, and I was like, I'm telling you now, I'm leaving next week, right, for selection. So I went to selection, and I always tell people it was. It was doable. I'm not something special. Like, I don't believe, like, oh, I'm super special. I believe, like, God just gave me one thing is like, I'm gonna work hard, right? And I just want to keep going. So it's just like, yo, dude, as long as you don't quit. You may not make the times, but don't quit, right? You don't know what the times are, so just keep going. So that was my mentality. Just like, don't quit. Don't quit. So I just was like, all right, here we go. And I was like, I just don't want to be. I don't want to be last. I don't know what is good. And then I had this thing. I don't know, fear. Because, you know, in selection, you know what everyone you. They don't let you know where everyone units they are, but you find out, yeah, they're from Ranger bat and they're from this and they're from that, right? So on all the rucks, all I would do is like, run. And I look at a guy, I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna catch him. And then I'd run and catch him. And I remember to this day, anytime someone caught me, I would look and I'd be like, oh, he's a Rangerback guy. That must mean, like, all of them are right behind me. I better just be like, whatever I'm doing, just stay running.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Well, I mean, I. I went to selection from Ranger battalion, and like, even I remember thinking, you know, they have you fill out that form like, you know, asking you, what do you bring to Special Forces? What skills do you have? Blah, blah, blah. There were guys there who, like, grew up speaking Russian in the house, had all these, like, advanced skills and language and cultural know how. And I'm like, oh, I was a Ranger. I know how to shoot guns. And as I. I felt like, inadequate, you know, I'm like, I don't know if I really up. But then when I went back to the barracks and listening to the guys talking, some of them wrote like, I can carry heavy things. I was like, well, maybe I'll be okay.
Dave Harris
Yeah, yeah. They make you do those questionnaires and stuff. You're just like, I don't even Know what you want me. Like, what do you want from me, bro? Yep.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Well, my favorite was an old school SF guy told me the story on the psych exam. One of the questions was, do you prefer it when people speak frankly? And the guy went up to the proctor of the exam and said, who's Frank?
Dave Harris
That's a good one.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
You may have failed the exam at that point. I don't know.
Dave Harris
Well, that. So the only thing that happened to me at selection that was iffy at all was my psych eval. They. They pulled me aside because on my psycho vow, I said, I get angry with my wife. And they said, well, do you ever hit her? And I said, no. And she was like. They were like, well, what do you mean you get so angry? I was like, because she's the only person that I have to actually listen to it. Like, I can't get away. He's yelling at me. I can't just be like, this conversation's over, or walk off or get. Just be done. She's just gonna follow me from room to room and keep this conversation going.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, exactly. The psychological exam was kind of messed up in the sense that there were questions on there. Like, it's written for civilians. But now you have all these combat veterans coming through, taking the test, and there are questions on there like, I know who is trying to kill me. Now, as a civilian, if you answer yes, you sound like a lunatic, and maybe you are, but if you're a veteran and you just came out of a war zone, yeah, I know who's trying to kill me. It's Al Qaeda, you know?
Dave Harris
Yep. I agree. The guy with the gun. Yes. Yeah, probably.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. It's not. It's not a hypothetical, you know, you're not schizophrenic. Like, people really are out to get you.
Dave Harris
Yep.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay, so you get through SFAs, and what MOS do you get? And language do you get?
Dave Harris
Okay, so I. I get through. I get through SFAs, and I'm sitting there and they're asking me about all these different moss. And he's, like, starting to talk to me, and he gets to, like, delta. And I've never confused. Like, I. I'm not that dude. I was like, look, man, stop. How about you just put Bravo on that paper in Spanish? We'll call it good on all this stuff you talking. Just put Bravo in Spanish, man. Half the words in the medical book I probably couldn't read, right? So he puts. He's like, okay, Bravo, Spanish. So I get 18 Bravo. But I get Indonesian.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay.
Dave Harris
So I get 18 Bravo in Indonesian. And then so I knew I didn't want to go to. I'm not nothing against first group, but I had been at Bragg my whole time and my daughter was born with cerebral pasley. So she had already had all the medical attention. We had already been to doctors at Duke and she's seeing physical therapists and all this stuff. So I was like, I'm not going to Okanawa. Like, I can't do that. Right. So I wasn't going to do that. So I. I'm going through the Q course and I'm talking to my cadre and I passed. I didn't fail any phases. I go through every phase. Only issue I had was swimming. That's a true one. It's a stereotype. Because it might be true.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. Because you guys, you have barbecues instead of pool parties. Yeah. It starts young.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So that was my only issue I had. But of course I passed all the phases and every phase I would come back to cadre. Like, I can't like go to a first group. I just can't go to Okanawa. My daughter has this. And he was like, not a problem. So I was the. I got done with. I passed it all. And then they put me as only Indonesian speaker in third group.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's hilarious.
Dave Harris
And then they switched me over to Dari. And I had to go back the language and learn that.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So you are a Indo speaking 18 Bravo in third group.
Dave Harris
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And what. What team? What was your first team? And I mean, I. You told me earlier you went out the first trip was a J set.
Dave Harris
Yes. So I went to 3231AMobility Team, Charlie Company, 2nd Battalion. I went to 3231. I got on that team. They were a mobility team at the time and we were. They were. Half the. Half of the teams were in Afghanistan and this team was back. So I went to that team that was back. And then instead of going to join the rest of the battalion in Afghanistan, they had J sets and we got hit with Pakistan.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's pretty cool. Yeah.
Dave Harris
So we went to Pakistan.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
What was the mission in Pakistan? Were you guys training? I think it's the ssg. Is there SF guys?
Dave Harris
Yeah, I think it's their tier one element. Yeah, our tear, whatever. Yes, their special operations. We were training them and they had. It was weird because we didn't even get interpreters. So we were using their, like basically their intel dudes. We're saying they're intel dudes that were There taking the class. They were our interpreters to, like, get everything to go through. So that was. It was. It was very interesting. Side note on that is, you know, you make your E plan if you need to get away, right. So we're sitting there and we make our plan. And the plan for our E and E is like, if something goes wrong, we're going to E and E to Afghanistan. And our medic says, so we're going to E to the war. We were like, yep, that's what we're running to. Nothing else is there?
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
I mean, that's a technique. Yeah.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So we did our J set to Pakistan. We were there for almost five months, and then we came back.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
How do you think the training program went, do you think? Like, we've seen some good, positive results with the guys by the end of five months?
Dave Harris
Yes. And they were doing ops as well. While we were training, they would go do ops, so. And then they would come back. So it was going well. I think it went real well. I'll be honest with you. I would say that that was the first time that I understood, like, you know, how everything's always being assessed. So I remember giving a class on small unit tactics, and, like, everyone on the team just standing there watching me. But they're. And I'm going through all the tactics, and then I'm. And I finally look up at them and I'm like, hey, is something wrong? And they're like, no, keep going. And I'm like, oh, they're. They're watching to see what I'm putting out. They're, like, assessing my performance now.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Because you're the new guy on the team.
Dave Harris
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Any other interesting stories about Pakistan? I mean, do you get to go, like, some of the guys talking about patrolling around up in the mountains and stuff with those dudes?
Dave Harris
We didn't do it. We didn't get to do any ops with them at all. Actually, when I was there, we didn't do anything other than train them and let them go. And then they would come back, and then we would debrief and then set up the next day, like a week of training. Then they would go on the ops. Cool.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Cool.
Dave Harris
Other than the only cool, nothing really cool happened other than going through a checkpoint and getting. Getting hit in the paper. Because they caught us with a gun in our vehicles and they hit us in the paper. Apparently we were there to assassinate the President. That was the only thing weird happened to us. I remember looking at Bobby looking. Getting out the car, and he just looks back at my vehicle, in his face. I was like, what happened? I have my pistol on my lap and I grab it. I'm like, are we about to get in a shootout at like in the, in Islamabad, like in the capital with the patrol? Because I'm like, what's going on here? And then finally the guys that you call at the embassy, that's the LNOs, they came out and got everything settled. And then the next morning we saw that we were trying to sneak, sneak Uzis in to assassinate the president.
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Dave Harris
Yeah. Yep.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
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What was word of like the next thing that came for you and your Oda?
Dave Harris
So we got back from Pakistan, we were there for about six months and Then we got tagged or we got a new team sergeant. And he was huge in the ASO game, like the ASO thing. And somehow, I don't know why, but our team got picked and we became that we were to go and become the ASO team. So. So we became the ASO team, which meant everyone had to go to level two and level three and do all these different schools. And that was cool. I tried to quit because I knew I didn't want to do that, so I tried to do it the right way, which backfired. I went to my team sergeant, his name was Chuck. And I was like, hey, Chuck, we're about to beat his ASO team and I don't want to do it. So I would like to leave the team. And Chuck looked at me and he was like, no, I stayed on the team for two more years.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Do you want to explain to folks what like ASO is? Some non SF dudes probably won't. Won't know.
Dave Harris
Yeah, it's just basically for. Simplest way to put it is you're writing reports and you're talking to people. You're basically working sources and dealing with like you're. You're doing CIA stuff, but you're not CIA. And it's nowhere near as high speed as CIA. Don't like, I'm not getting into that. You're just talking to people and writing reports and sending them up.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right, right. So there's all the, like human intelligence side of it.
Dave Harris
Yeah, all the human intelligence. So we're just gathering and so you
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
guys transition to the ASO team and you reluctantly go through the training that's required to. Yeah, to get qualified. And then they send you guys to Afghanistan.
Dave Harris
Yes, we go to Afghanistan as a ASO team, but we are. Our story is we're just a regular oda. So all we did was regular ODA stuff. And then we had. Because some of us really didn't like doing the ASO mission, obviously. Right. So they gave guys like, hey, Dave, you like to talk. He likes to talk. Nothing should come of this. You talk to him. So I just was like, all right, man, you go come around here every two weeks. We'll meet and you can tell me stuff. So that was mine. And then we just did regular ODA missions for the whole time. And it was just going on patrols, three day patrols out, come back and then people will be writing reports. And I'd be. We built a camp in Gura Guri, Afghanistan. So I'd be basically, I was base security doing all that Stuff So it really wasn't a lot of ASO I could do because I was doing that.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
This is during that time where they were putting smaller sfobs out there in the hinterlands of Afghanistan.
Dave Harris
Yes. So they were putting us out there. So what? The golden hour. If everything went perfect, we were at 59 minutes. Okay, yeah. Like so we were like, if everything goes perfect to get a guy out, we were at 59 minutes from the closest base we could get to to get medical aid.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
What was that like kind of like standing up a camp from scratch.
Dave Harris
So we. I've done that twice. So from. It's, it's. It's strange because when you get there, nothing's there. So everything is like old school. Like just infantry tactics. Like, hey, you build your perimeter, everyone's on security. Hey, you guys can sleep, you guys can stay awake. Hey, when are these pallets coming? You gotta. And I'll be honest, it teaches you a lot of the intricates intricacies of sf. As in how do you get funding? How who needs to do paperwork? Contracting agents, what classes are needed for the contracting agents. And all those ins and outs that like a lot of guys don't.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Never have to deal with the logistics.
Dave Harris
I had to learn all that kind of stuff on the fly as a SF dude with a year in the
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
group and also in combat we should mention.
Dave Harris
So you're figuring out how to. Because most of that stuff they making you do all these classes and it's not. It's PowerPoint online classes. So now you figured like the echo is makeshift and some Internet because we don't have a camp. So sitting there trying to get this done because you need the money so we could get a building built. So you can do it. So you're learning all that stuff.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
By the time you left. What did that camp look like?
Dave Harris
So when we started we. So we did 10 on and the first 10 was. It was just. We had. It was just the desert. So by the time we left, we had probably a 2k per base. And to the north we had. It was to the north of us we had like the junkyard. And then if you went eat more east you had the village that was to our. The village. And then to the back we had the road. And then out to the other side it was just more desert. So it was just more desert. And then we were. And the camp was pretty big. We cut the camp in half. So it was a 2k base with about 1k we split in half. And that was the Afghan Side. And then we had the American side.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Gotcha.
Dave Harris
And CBS come out. The CBS came out and they built us our makeshift huts so we could live in those. And we had those going around the perimeter of the American side. And then on the Afghan side, we had a foreman and they built their own buildings with. With the concrete.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Lots of fill in sandbags, I'm guessing.
Dave Harris
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And Hesco has goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dave Harris
A lot of has goes.
Bluff
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
I mean, some of those bases really looked like Vietnam era fire bases.
Dave Harris
Oh, it was, it was. And then we used to get. It was this one. I was impressed, actually, I'm not even gonna lie. I was impressed. We used to get attacked once a month by this dude shooting 105 rockets. And he would shoot 105, he would shoot three. I don't know if he only could save money to buy three at a time. I don't know why it was always three. But he only shot three rockets. Well, and he was shooting them off. Well, he was using a car battery and rocks, but he was super accurate. So that was impressed me was. I was like, okay, he missed, but he stacked three rockets right here.
Bluff
Right.
Dave Harris
And he was bracketing at us. So one month it hit off to the right. Next Monday would hit off to the left. Right. Then the next month it just go right over the base. And I'm like, man, this dude, I'm impressed. Like, this is he doing this with like rock? Just that. And then we. We answer with mortars. Eventually.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. So that took care of him.
Dave Harris
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And. And in the meantime, you said you're going out and doing these patrols. What was it like? Sort of trying to balance the special forces, you know, by, with and through working with the indige. But also this sort of ASO mission that you guys have as well, it.
Dave Harris
It was. I'll be honest, it was. I'm not going to. For me, it was not hard. And the reason why is because I didn't know nothing else. So if you could say, like, oh man, it was all this stuff. But I was like, that's what I walked into. It was like, this was my first trip and we were doing this. So I. I don't know anything else. So it was like, hey, three days a week we're going on patrols. You need to make your meetings happen on these days. Your meeting can happen on these days. A day after you meet this guy, you need to have your report written up, go into the skiff, have your report written up, and then level three or look it over. So that was just Normal life for me. I didn't know anything different. So, like, we would do our con ops. We do our con ops the week prior. They get sent up then. And our team sergeant was actually, like, mentoring us. So each guy, if he gave you, like, hey, this is where we're going, right To Kana.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Gotcha.
Public Service Announcer (NHTSA)
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah.
Dave Harris
And then he would look it over and send it up. So he was making us learn how to do all that stuff.
Spinquest Announcer
Right, Right.
Dave Harris
Like, we learned how to do our own con ops. We learned how to do all that stuff. And then, I'll be honest. At first, it would take, like, reports. Everything took. If.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
If.
Dave Harris
If anybody's. Like, any new job, you take six hours to get something done that might have. Should have took 20 minutes when you started, because you don't know what you don't know.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right.
Dave Harris
And so, yeah, it takes me almost a half a day to write one con. Right. And then by the time we were leaving, I could get a con up done in 30 minutes.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. Yeah.
Dave Harris
But even I can have a report done in two hours. At first, it was like, okay, this report's gonna take me all day to write, because I don't know what you want to see. So at first, it was hectic just because it took so much time to know what you're, like trying to get out. But by the time you get done, it was. It was easy. And then by the time we left and came back the second time, because we came back to the same base as an ASO team, the camp was really built up by then because by that point, you got so many millions of dollars in put into that camp. And then we left, and we decided to tear it down.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Was that on the third trip that you tore it down?
Bluff
No.
Dave Harris
So when I left the last time, we ripped out with a team from fifth group, and they ripped down the base.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Do you think that, you know, was the team able to, like, kind of provide some situational awareness for the siege of Soda, for whoever you were reporting to about what was going on in that ao?
Spinquest Announcer
Yes.
Dave Harris
So from the A. So. Okay, so funny story on that. Did you remember I told you they gave me the guy? That wasn't supposed to. Nothing was supposed to come of it. I said, they gave me the guy because they knew I didn't like.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, right, right, right, right.
Dave Harris
Well, fast forward eight months, and guess who's the only guy still having meetings Eight months later, I'm still the only guy having meetings with my dude. And we actually were able to accomplish what they put us there. To accomplish.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's pretty cool.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So I was like, okay. But it was cool. But then once we accomplished it and we were like, hey, we got this guy. That's when colonels and people with bags of money flew in. And I was like, I don't. Dave, you're not needed at this meeting. Okay.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, that's. That's always the complaint about, you know, the complaint within sf. I think, like you said, CIA is doing this, like, strategic level stuff, and you're doing, like, tactical level stuff, and if you get to a point where you're building a strategic source, worse, the eye in the sky comes in and takes it away from you.
Dave Harris
So. Yeah. You know exactly what I'm saying. Like, it was like, hey, can you do this? I'm like. And they gave me us a mission. They probably. They were like, you're not gonna be able to get it done. And then when we were like, oh, someone. Someone can do it. They were like, oh, you don't need to be doing that no more. Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Thank you for your service.
Dave Harris
Yeah. Yep, that was the end of that.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And then what was the. The third trip to Afghanistan with that team?
Dave Harris
So we switched back to being a mobility team. So when we got back, we did 10 on, 10 off, 10 on. Came, and we got back, they were like, our colonel, which he was. It sucked, but he was the. Like, I respected him more than any. Any, like, any commander I had. And the reason why is because we only got five months hungry right. On this one. But he. He came in our team room. He took the time him and the sergeant major walked in and was like, hey, do y' all feel I'm. You guys. Excuse my language. Do y' all feel I'm. Y' all over? And, you know, I'm like, yeah, I feel that way. Right?
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Some honest feedback.
Dave Harris
Yeah. But guess what? He took the time out of his day to come in and just be like. And he said straight out his mouth, I'm taking every team to Afghanistan. I didn't like it, but I respected it as a leader. Like, you came down here and told me like a man to my face.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah.
Lady Luck
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
He owned it. Yeah.
Dave Harris
Yeah. Like, I respect that. I can get down with that. I don't like it, but I'll execute. So after he did that, we went. And I remember going in and they were giving us our papers to sign that you don't care about your dwell time. Like, I'll sign off my dwell time. So I'm. I'm there and I'm like, so if I don't sign this, I don't have to go. And everyone starts laughing. It's like, David, you're going. And I was like, I know. So I just don't know why they're even bringing this paper up.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
It's. It's. Yeah. Mandatory. Mandatory. But not.
Dave Harris
Yeah, yeah, like you signed his paper. So that way if something happens, he didn't want his dwell time anyway. So that's all that is. Yeah, I signed the paper. And then we go back to Afghanistan and this time we went to. Man, we went to a police base, but we had to build another camp. Oh man, we went to a police academy, but we went to the top of the mountain and it was maybe an hour away from Bath and everything where we had to drive. So we were about an hour there. We built the academy there and then we built that academy up and we were just doing ops non stop.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Any particular, like operations that kind of stand out in your mind where things got a little sketchy?
Dave Harris
So yeah, we had some. I'll be honest for the. I, I will be honest with you. I hated being in the vehicle.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah.
Dave Harris
Some people like being in the vehicles, I guess and like, like looking. I just felt like every time we got contacting a vehicle, I couldn't see anything through the crow system.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right, right.
Dave Harris
So. So I would do my best to be like, hey dude, I want to be out and like put me out and I was a sniper qualified. I'd be like, I don't care. I just, I'll go do overwatch. Just give me another guy. We'll go do that. Give me the side by side. I'll ride that. The only op I will tell you that I ever got nervous about it was, it was before this trip. It was another trip where it was a time where the year that the highest green on blue was happening that year. So I remember we were waiting on an airdrop and I was on a side by side and it was. Afghans were coming down the road on their trucks and I was on a side by side.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Side by side is like a. It's like a gator, right?
Dave Harris
Yeah, it's. No, it's just the four wheeler.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, gotcha. Yeah, Quad.
Dave Harris
I'm sorry, not a side by side. I was on the four wheeler.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay.
Dave Harris
And I'm going and I'm driving. And as I'm driving the four wheeler, I stopped the vehicle. I don't make. I don't know what makes me think because I'm an American, I guess I got power to make them stop in a. In a truck.
Spinquest Announcer
Right.
Dave Harris
So I stop them. They want to drive past. I'm like, no. And then as I pull up on them, they had their disco on top and everything. And in my head I was like, oh, shit, this could go real bad. I'm on a four wheeler with a rifle slung on my back. This could go bad. So. And then other than that, I mean, I've had. The only time I ever would say it was a real bad mission was I was involved in one where. Where I was not even there at the exact moment it happened. We were all. All of us were in one location and a green on blue incident happened.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, man. Are you okay, like, talking about it?
Dave Harris
I wasn't. So when we had, like, all of us were in one location, and I can't really speak on what exactly happened because as soon as they got in, we left the camp and that's when everything broke out.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, wow. So did you have to go back and, like, respond to all that?
Dave Harris
No, we were out doing our thing. Fighting outside, at that.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. Jesus. It's crazy that it's just one more hazard that you got to worry about.
Dave Harris
Yeah. Yeah. So. And that was the only time I ever was like, oh, man, that's a bad. Everything else that has happened, they tell me I don't have any issues because I cope with it well. And I was like, ah. I just understood it was war and that's that it just is what it is.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, Yeah. I think that's pretty common. Like, you know, at least soldiers understand that you show up on a battlefield and some soldiers are gonna die. Like, everyone kind of knows that. It's sort of the other things, I think that, you know, like, when you see the collateral damage, that really bothers people.
Dave Harris
I mean. Yeah. I would say that's the only thing I've ever been messed up with is, like, seeing kids.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah.
Dave Harris
Kids got injured, I'd be like, damn, that's younger than my daughter or they the same age as my son.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. And that the abject poverty that they're living in is just. Yeah, it's. It's pretty rough.
Dave Harris
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So you come back from that. I mean, you've definitely gotten your feet wet at this point. As a. As a Team Bravo on an A team, you come back home from that and what is sort of like, you know, this thing, the Crisis Response Force, like, how did that kind of come into your life? Where did you first hear about it?
Dave Harris
So when I was coming to sf, I, like, remember the fifth Group guy I met in Iraq was a Crip guy.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah.
Dave Harris
Yep. And he said, go to fifth group. Tip of the spear and go to the crib. I don't. Don't know if it was true. Never been a fifth group. I'm an 82nd E4E5 at the time. I'm like, okay, go to the fifth group, Chris. That's all I know. So as I'm going through the Bravo course, one of the cadre was like, is there anything I ever could do for you? Let me know. So I said, yeah, there's something you can do for me. I want to go to the crib. He responded with, that's not a good idea. You should go to group, learn your job, and then you then that. So he talked to Sergeant Major Peters at the time, which I had never even met Sergeant Major Peters. He talked to Sergeant Major Peters, made a call, and when we showed up, everyone I was with because 4th Battalion was trying to get manned, everyone that showed up with me went to 4th Battalion, and I went to 2nd because that's where the crypt was.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, I see. So they're putting close to it.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So I went to second and I went to Charlie Company. And then I was like, okay, then I'm doing my team time. And I'm like, hey, I know. I want to go to the Criff. I really don't know what they're doing. I really don't know anything about it. I just want to go do that. That's what that guy told me. That's what I want to do. And as I'm there more and more and more, I'm like, oh, they do cqb. Oh, they do this. And. And I always could always say, the problem in that I found when. When I was on my team was you wanted me to be good at so much crap.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot.
Dave Harris
Yeah. I was like, man, just give me four tasks I can master four things really good.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right?
Dave Harris
But you be good at so much crap. And I. It's. It's like, I can't. I'm maybe a B plus in all of it. Like, and some things I'm an F. Like, some things I'm an A. Yeah, yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
People don't understand, like, how much responsibility each guy on an ODA has. And you think if you're an 18 Bravo, you just, like, clean the guns and make sure the guns are operational. No, there's so much more to it. You're training the Afghans. You're in charge of base security. The Charlie's have their job there. Yeah, they do demolitions, but they're also having to build the camp and get the construction materials. The. The commo guys. I mean, yeah, they're in charge of the commo. You know, our radios, but they're also in charge of the networking within the camp. So, like, everyone has tons of different lanes that they have to be in.
Dave Harris
Yeah. And no one's telling you about those actual. No one's ever hitting you with the actual. The literal s. Shop duties. No one's telling you those, yo.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dave Harris
No one's ever given you all that.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
The. The medics are often there, aren't they?
Dave Harris
I think his phone died.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That or he got a phone call.
Dave Harris
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
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Dave Harris
I apologize.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, no worries, dude. You just gotta plug in your phone.
Spinquest Announcer
No.
Dave Harris
Something just happened. I don't know.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay. Talking about 18 Deltas. They have the admin duties and everything.
Dave Harris
Yeah. And no one tells you about. Like, that in itself is another job.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And then the ASO stuff is dumped on you too.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So, like, no one tells you about, like, oh, don't forget. Forget you need to learn how to do risk assessments. What?
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right.
Dave Harris
Oh, yeah. This guy needs to learn how to do all this other crap. Oh, yeah. He needs to learn how to do purchase requests and this you got.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
You need to go down, down, down the road and get the Hazmat class and learn how to take this huge book and look through it.
Dave Harris
Yeah. Like, no one tells you all those extra duties. And then it's like, well, it's no way I can do all that crap.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah.
Dave Harris
I can't be. So I was like, okay, the criff is. All it is is like, like, yes, the Crypt has all those other duties at least. And I'm just gonna be blunt. In my opinion, they just blow off all the others. At least when I was there, it was like, yeah, we're supposed to do asl. Do we ever train asl? No. CQB it is. So you get really good at CQB and shooting.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right.
Dave Harris
So that's why I was like, hey, I just want to go and. Let me just hone. Let me just work on one skill. Let me work on one or two skills. I could be really good at those. So I really. After about. I was selling my company for six years and then I was sniper qualified already. So I was like, hey, I remember I went to groups, battalion sergeant major. And I was like, hey, I want to reenlist. And he was like, okay, what do you want? And I was like, I don't know if you know, Thor 3 is like a workout program.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dave Harris
So. So I happened to like, Thor at the time needed help with trainers. They didn't have enough trainers. So I was my sergeant majors trainer because I had been using Thor for like four years.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
I heard it was a really good program.
Dave Harris
It was. I went there every day for four years. So I started working with my sergeant major because he would come in and I would be the guy that worked him. So I knew him pretty good. So I was like, hey, Sergeant major came into his office. I was like, hey, I want to re enlist. He was like, okay, what do you want? And I was like, move me to the Criff. And he was like, that's it? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, so when will you reenlist? And I was like, when you move me. I played this game before.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
I like your bargaining techniques, you know?
Bluff
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
The sergeant major being like a used car salesman.
Dave Harris
Yep. But here's my question. And. And I told someone in the crypto, I was like, if he would have said no, I was screwed. My t. He knew I wanted to stay in. I already put my cards on the table. Yeah, I'm staying in. This is what I want to stay in. But he was cool. He told me, okay, you'll be moving in February. I stayed there for the rest of that year. February, I moved over to the Criff, reenlisted, and that was that.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's awesome. So what was your first position when you got to the Criff?
Dave Harris
So they put me in the armed room until I could get Sephardic qualified.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Gotcha.
Dave Harris
Because I'm. I'm sniper qualified, but I'm not Sephardic. So I guess by doctoring, I wasn't able to go on operations. Yeah, like going do cqb. So they put me in the arms room for six months while I trained with the guys, getting better at pistol shooting. And because my pistol shooting was bad, so they had to really work with me a lot. So they worked with me a lot. Actually, one guy, Andy Mill, took me under his wing and, like, trained me up. That's for, like, to the point when I got to Sephardic, the shooting wasn't the problem. I wasn't worried about that. And they kind of trained me to the Point where they were like, we want you to only care about cqb. We don't even want shooting to be something you're thinking about. So that way you can just learn to see qb.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right.
Dave Harris
So I went to. I trained for six months with them there and I was like shooting. I was with the teams every time they went to do anything. And after that, after that, I went from there to cqb. I went to Sephardic. And I went. And after I got out there, after that, I got out there. I graduated from Sephardic in 2000. Let me think here. 2014.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay.
Bluff
15.
Dave Harris
I graduated from Sephardic. And after I graduated from Sephardic, I went straight to 3, 2, 2, 2. Okay. I went straight to 3, 2, 2,. And I was on the assault side.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Awesome. So what, what did you think of Sephardic?
Dave Harris
I will be honest. So comparing sniper school to Sephardic. Sephardic was a way funner school, but it's super subjective. Sniper school is way. It was fun too, but it's not subjective. Sniping school was like, you take the shot, you either hit or you missed.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right, Right.
Dave Harris
Sephardic is like, you go in a room, you dig a corner cadre. Like, you didn't dig your corner. You're like, I did. I didn't see you dig your corner, dig you. So it's way more like, okay, you're kind of like, okay, I have to actually do this and collapse the sector and do all this stuff. But to me, the school was way more fun. Blowing up doors or going in building, shooting. It's just way more interactive.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right, right, right. And we should take a second here just to tell people, explain to people who are not military, Sephardic. I'm going to try to get the acronym right. Special Forces Advanced Reconnaissance and Exploitation Course. Is that it?
Dave Harris
Course in tech next week. Yep.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And. And that is the Special Forces course for. It really is specifically for the KRIF to get them qualified to do hostage rescue missions.
Spinquest Announcer
Really?
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And to support JSOC and help them out as necessary. And then sniper. The sodic course, which is now the Special Forces Sniper course. Yeah, and same thing, but on the sniper side. And then the KRIFF itself, the Crisis Response force used to be called the Commanders in Extremist Force and they are the special Forces sort of rapid response element. Is that all? Is that right? Did I get anything wrong?
Dave Harris
No, you're good. You're right on it.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay. So you had a good time. It's Sephardic. And then you get back. And they put you on one of the assault. I think they call them assault cells, right?
Dave Harris
Yeah, assault teams. And you have cells in the team.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Gotcha. Okay. And
Dave Harris
were you.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
I mean, when you got there, what was, like, your conception of, like, what the unit's mission was?
Dave Harris
So, to me, I was like, okay, you. I got there and it was the tail end of Iraq, so the mission was changing. So it was the telling. Iraq. So those guys. A lot of those guys have been doing Iraq. They were just hitting buildings. Yeah. And, I mean, guys probably gonna get some hate for this. Like, I'm just gonna be honest, though. Like, guys say, like, oh, we were doing this and doing that. They were doing real stuff. But you're doing what the big boys don't want to do. Like, let's be real. Like, if they really thought it was that important, CAG would hit the building.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah.
Dave Harris
Delta would be there. Like, you're doing the ones that they're not really interested in doing. So you're doing a lot of ops. But they also were doing ops with them, too. So I wasn't a part of any of that. They were getting it on and doing a lot, and then they were helping out and doing a lot. So they had a lot of that. And then when I got there, that was dying, so that was. When I got there was more. You had a QRF for the big boys when they go do stuff.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right, Right. You were.
Dave Harris
You were on. You were on standby waiting, and then. I wasn't a part of that deployment. I was the next deployment up. So I went on that. My team had just got back from Iraq, and that's why I joined them when I graduated Sephardic. And then the other team pushed out the door that had trained me.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Ah, okay. And so what was your first deployment with them?
Dave Harris
So my first deployment, when I got to. When I got to my team, we were going straight to Germany to rip out 10th group and take over the continent.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Take over the African continent.
Dave Harris
Yes.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And this is all. And I'd like to have you actually tell the. The. A little bit of the background in the history. But that happened. A lot of it happened because of Benghazi, right?
Dave Harris
Yes. So. So when I showed up, the third group, I don't know what happened, because Africa was part of third groups. Al. When I showed up.
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Dave Harris
And we were doing Afghanistan, and we were doing other things. And then at one day, we had a. A group formation, and they told us we were AF pack, which basically meant we. We were on. No, we were what were we, Afghan or something Weird, right? But all it really meant was we had Afghanistan and everything that ended with a stand. So Tajikistan, Pakistan, all those. We did all those now. So that's how I got the J set to Pakistan. Because temp group took over Africa. They were going to watch the continent Africa just because we didn't have the manpower to do all the J sets. They wanted Brian covered down in Afghanistan. So the colonels, I guess met and they decided to split everything up. Well, then when I got, when. When we were going back toward the end of my career about. Toward the end, when we were taking over Africa again, it was like switching everyone back to French from af, from Dari and all that stuff. And we took back Afghan Africa as the continent and gave temp group with Temp group actually sent teams to Afghanistan because we flip flopped. So we, I guess that what got argued was they took. They started sending teams to Afghanistan and we took back the continent of Africa and kept some of the stands.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So what was that experience like kind of standing up that element and, and you know, you're having to do it in Germany, but be postured to respond into Africa.
Dave Harris
So the 10th group team we ripped out with was awesome. So like they had it dialed in. They. They were like, they had their stuff dialed in and they were put together. So like when we got there, what they handed us was a great product. It was a great product. Everything was legit. If they, if we would have probably had to stand it up from scratch, I don't know what would have happened, honestly, because they gave us a good product. But they have been doing it for so long, I have no idea what theirs was like.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
10th group had the first sift team, if I recall correctly.
Dave Harris
Yeah. And they had two. So they have one in Colorado and one, I think forward in Germany. So they had two. So we got put into. So when we ripped out with them, we had a barracks and then Ramstein that had the airfield. And one bird stayed at Ramstein ready to go, all times ready, waiting for Africa. And then in there we had a hangar. And in the hangar we was all the Humvees already with the guns on them, ammo's already ready to go. Everything like stayed in the hangar, loaded, prepped, Everything was on standby, ready to go. You had a bag packed and everything. And underneath in our barracks you had a third floor, the bottom floor. That's where we kept all our go bags. Everything's prepped, ready to go. It actually was more actually like a. That's what The CF is supposed to actually be, like, where you're on call, ready to go. Right. And you couldn't go further. Yep. You couldn't go further than an hour away from base because we could be recalled at any moment.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. I mean, it's like real life GI Joe mission.
Dave Harris
Yeah. Yeah. So. And I'll be honest, you said, what was life like there in Germany? Extremely boring.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Really?
Dave Harris
Yeah. Because you're just waiting to see if you're going to get the call. Right. So for me, I'll be honest, it would be like we lived, like, right down the road from the gym. So I would wake up. If we were doing training, I would go do the training. If we weren't doing training, like, it got to the point sometimes it'd be like a Saturday. I'd be like, all right, today I'm gonna go to the gym, I'm gonna do an hour on elliptical, an hour on the bike, and then I'm gonna do an hour on the treadmill. I would just do three hours of cardio one day. Just because I'm like, I got nothing else to do.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Because you. Yeah, I mean, now that you think you say it, because you can't travel more than an hour away. It's not like you really go sightseeing in Europe. Yeah.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So you're just like, okay, so I just. Like, I'm just gonna stay on the base, and I'm just going to just be here and just work out and train, and then we do our. We do our training. Training. Trainings. And then that was it. I got lucky. So I got to blow out to a couple of deployments with them. I got to do the. I got to go to Nigeria by myself to do embassy. The embassy. Whole security plan thing, because that's part of the mission. So I got to do that, and then we got to blow out for South Sudan, and then I got to do two weeks in Berlin waiting for my passport for Nigeria.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Okay, so let's start with the first one. Was it the Nigeria or South Sudan?
Dave Harris
South Sudan was the first thing I got. Well, Ghana was the first thing we did. Ghana was the first thing we did. So when we landed in. In. In Germany, we ripped out with them. And then we went to Ghana to do a joint training with the Ghanaian special forces.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, cool.
Dave Harris
Because.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, that's another. Another, like, mission that the Kriff had over the years, correct me if I'm wrong, was to train the, like, tier one elements of foreign countries and their. Their hostage rescue units.
Dave Harris
Yep. So that's what we did. We trained with them, and then we did. We did, uh, I wouldn't say operations. I would say we did training events and everything with them and Six and SEAL Team Six.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And how did that go? What was your impression?
Dave Harris
It was great. They put us in a. Called it. Resort. It wasn't a resort. Okay. It wasn't a resort at all, but they put us up in a resort. It was baboons just walking around everywhere. That was different. The baboons would attack you. You wake up. They had these three ladies that would make food. Like, you ordered food in the morning. Like, they make pancakes and fish. Whatever you like, whatever was on the menu you could order that was there. And then we would literally just train non like, with them for. That was two weeks every month I got to kind of go somewhere. So that was my first month there. We did four months there before coming back. So that was my first month. And then we did that for two weeks with them. Training and doing missions.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's pretty cool.
Dave Harris
Training missions.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
What was like, the security threat in Ghana that you were kind of training these guys for? Was it terrorism?
Dave Harris
Yeah. So they would. Look, the. The operation we were actually training them for was they were more about terrorism and CQB and hostage rescue situations. That was like we were hitting a lot of. I guess you would call them hotels and. And apartment complexes. Like, that seemed like that every time we did a training, that's what we were hitting.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. Maybe there were some fears after, like, Nairobi and things like that. That this is the threat profile.
Dave Harris
Yeah, because the hit that happened at the Hilton when they had that accident. Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So, Molly, it was a hotel, I think, and then it was a shopping mall in. In Kenya, if I recall correctly.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So we did a lot of training with them doing, like, every hit, it seemed like we were hitting either apartment complex or some kind of a hotel complex.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And then you went back to Germany.
Dave Harris
Yep, for two more weeks, and then I got to be in it. And then South Sudan happened.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, okay. Well, yeah, so, I mean. Yeah, your feet are barely touching the ground here. Yeah.
Dave Harris
So. And then South Sudan happened. So South Sudan happened. They were having a civil war. Because how they do their politics is Trump won the election, so Harris would be his vice president. So that's how they do their politics.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
It's like a. It's a parliamentary kind of system. Yeah.
Dave Harris
Yeah. But what happened was. What happened was. Yeah, everything starts good like that. So what happened was the guy who won the election one, but the guy who was getting put as the vice president was the military general who decided. He was like. He was basically like, dump that. It's a coup.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, I think I should be in charge, actually.
Dave Harris
So that happened. And then. So we. We actually had to. We got blown out for that. And the only reason, honestly, we got blown out is because the general that was post. That was because we are. Because when you're in Germany, you are the commander's crisis response force for the whole continent of Africa. So he doesn't want to send you out, because guess what? If he sends you out, he doesn't have someone to respond to Africa got. So he wasn't. He wasn't there that day. And the general in jbad. The general there said, send them. And he was like, and I'll just talk to. And I'll deal with him on the. On the flip side. Because we slept in the hangar for a day and a half. We just sat in the hangar for a day and a half, waiting to be like, okay, are we going?
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
What was it? What was the feel? What was the feeling when you guys got the call and they were like, yeah, you got the green light. Go.
Dave Harris
Well, at that point, we were sitting there. Everything was on the birds and everything. We were just sitting in the hangers. I had my hammock up, attaching two things, laying in a hammock, just like, I don't know what we're doing. Right. So we were just sitting there and then they were like, go. And I was like, oh, for real? Like, we're really going to do this. And so it was. It was weird to go there. And then it was strange. Like when you. When we got off the bird and drove all. When we landed, all the Americans, because so much stuff had happened. The Americans, they actually had a civilian plane for the Americans to get on. Like, that we escorted in with us. But the Americans, as we got off our plane to C130s, they got on and one lady and one la. No. One lady had got it real bad. And she was like, she. She was like, I'm not getting off this plane. No.
Spinquest Announcer
Wow.
Dave Harris
So she wouldn't get off the plane. So that civilian plane no one even took because she just was like, I will not get off this plane. Like, this happened to me. And it was a lot like, as you can know what I'm probably talking about.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dave Harris
So she was like, no, I'm not getting off the plane. Wow.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And you guys d plane, obviously you hit the airfield and this kind of like, really is sort of the quintessential like, crypt mission. Right. That they were designed to, if need be, fight their way to the embassy, complete the mission and fight back off the target. Right.
Dave Harris
Oh, so, yeah, we came off the. Like, as we exit the trucks, I'm on top of the gun truck loaded with a 50 cow, like, ready to go. Like, whatever we're going to get into, we're here. As the trucks come off, we all pull the security right off the airfield. The Americans come in. The ambassador didn't want to leave, so then we had to convoy to the. To where the American compound was. And then we sat there for two weeks doing ops with the ambassador.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Wow. Like, you were, like, escorting him to meetings and stuff.
Dave Harris
Yeah, it scored. Nonstop.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Was that kind of dicey? I mean, in the midst of a civil war?
Dave Harris
Yes, because before we even took off, the general had his JAG come out to talk to us, which is never a good sign.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right.
Dave Harris
And. And basically his. I remember this quote verbatim. They are at war. You are not.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So you're. You can only shoot if you're shot at, basically.
Dave Harris
Exactly.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah.
Dave Harris
So, like, seeing. Seeing. Like, I saw them shooting at each other, but I'm just sitting there like, this is weird.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah. And also. Also weird in the sense that, like, they probably don't care so much about you because you're.
Dave Harris
They don't even.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah.
Dave Harris
They're like, look, dude, you have nothing to do with this.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah. You're not part of this quarrel.
Dave Harris
Yeah. But here's the problem you have is now the ambassador want to meet with one of the sides.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Right.
Dave Harris
So you're putting me involved where now I got to make sure that, hey, you're not really trying to shoot at me, but we just happen to be in this building.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah. And it looks like you're taking sides even if you aren't.
Lady Luck
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Dave Harris
So. So it took. We were there for two weeks, and then finally Obama. I don't know, the commander, and then would talk, go to team sergeant, Commander, would have meetings and stuff. And finally, I guess they got Obama to get on the phone with the ambassador and tell that person they needed to leave.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. We're pulling the plug.
Dave Harris
Yeah. And then we all got to leave.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
I heard a story about you guys and SEAL Team Six actually working over there at the same time. Were those guys there at all?
Dave Harris
I wouldn't say. In South Sudan? Yeah, Yeah, I could say if they were there. I don't know anything about it. Oh, when I went. But when I went to meet with the guys to talk about when I was going to Nigeria. We were talking a lot, and. And from everything the guys were telling me was the only people, because, you know, fine, fix, finish. Right. So the only people that were really actioning a lot of stuff was the French.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. Yup.
Dave Harris
So that's what I was told when I was doing that, because I was trying to figure out the evacuation plan for the embassy in Nigeria.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Well, tell us about first, you know, blowing out of South Sudan. What the. The extraction was sort of like if you can call or X fill maybe is a better term.
Dave Harris
Okay, so for us or for when the Americans.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
For you guys, when you. When you left with the ambassador.
Dave Harris
Okay, so for us, when we left with the ambassador, at this point, everything is already gone. All the people are gone, but all their. All their belongings are still there. Everything is still there. Like, the rooms still full, clothes, everything's there. We didn't take any of that. So for us, it was like we had to wait for our bird. So we. We were in the Americans living quarters, give or take. And it's basically a big compound which we couldn't secure because we don't have a platoon of Marines. So we have 12 dudes. So we basically have guys on every corner of the building of the compound that we. That's all we really can do. And then, so we were just sitting there. We have our gun truck station, we have one in the center and the rest are in the corner. So we could actually do overlapping fire. And we just had rotations going on that four to two weeks. And then when it was time to blow out, the. We waited for the. The aircraft to land, and then our CCT had overhead just circling and doing show of forces to make sure, like, hey, nothing bothers us.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dave Harris
So he was doing a lot of show of force. And then he did a show of force. Like when we all prepped and got in all the vehicles, all the up armors and up armor Humvees and up armor SUVs to leave. Like, we had up armor SUVs as well. So when we got that and all the planes had landed, because they were escorted in, he did a show of force. And after the show of force, we immediately, like took off and just started going down the road. And it was like a straight shot. Go out, make one left, and you were straight shot to the airport.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And the bird was there waiting for you?
Dave Harris
Yeah, bird was there waiting for us. Everything was there. And we just drove straight on.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Wow. And flew back to Germany.
Dave Harris
Yep.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's awesome. You got to do the job. That's pretty cool.
Dave Harris
Yeah. Didn't get to shoot no rounds, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
I mean, who knows what would have happened to that ambassador, though, if you weren't there.
Dave Harris
That's true. That's true. Hope maybe they would have left.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So you get back to the mothership, and the next thing that happens is Nigeria.
Dave Harris
Yes. So Nigeria. So I get tagged to go be the guy to go do the Nigerian mission, which you just basically go to the embassy. And every year, guys go to embassies and we do security protocols, making sure the security is up to date, making sure everything is still where everyone's saying everything is. Right. So if we ever have to go in there, we. We know where the doors are, what doors or what. Who's going where, how many rooms are in there, everything. So I get hit with that. I fly to Nigeria by myself, which I was like, oh, that's different. So I have to go to Berlin for two weeks. So I go to Berlin, and I only got. I was there. I was supposed to be there for two days, and I get there, and the. The embassy there in Berlin is closed, so I can't get my passport stamped to go to Nigeria. So I got to hang out in Berlin for two weeks, which was awesome. Right? Right. Because I don't get to see nothing because we only can go an hour away. So this got me out of the base. Right. So I got to see Berlin for two weeks. Just wander around Berlin, finally get my passport stamp, get back. The next week, I get on a plane to go to Nigeria. I land, and when I land in Nigeria, there's a white guy there with my. With a thing says, Sergeant First Class Harris. He's got a piece of paper, right? But it was a guy from third group that was in my company, in Charlie Company that knew me and now worked down at Tampa. So when I got there, he was like, hey, are you Super Dave? And I was like, yeah, I'm Super Dave. Because that's what the team sergeant called me on that other team, right. Because we did a lot of trips and a lot of deployments together. So he. I won't say I did nothing crazy, but he knew about. He knew me. So he was like, hey, you Super Dave? I was like, I'm Super Dave. Yeah, that's me. And it was like, hey.
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Dave Harris
home with LG Said, what's up? Gray says, what's up? And I was like, oh. Gray said, what's up? Oh, yeah, he does work in Tampa. So we get in the vehicle and we drive to the hotel. The Hilton, which the Hilton was baller, but it was totally different than what you see here. It's like you walking through. It's like going in the airport. Yeah. Like when you're going into the Hilton, it's like going through the airport.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
All the metal detectors and TSA kind of stuff. Yeah.
Dave Harris
Everything is just like that. So you go in there, you get into the Hilton, they're like, hey, we'll be here tomorrow to pick you up. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So what I didn't know was how it actually worked was so they have a team from Tampa there, right? Then they had a guy from the Navy, like a Navy guy. Then they had a CCT there. And then they have a. And then they have a MARSOC guy there. And all of us working together on this package.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Gotcha. Because everyone has their own piece.
Bluff
Yeah.
Dave Harris
And then they had four civilians who are actually the guys like you come in and you'd be like, hey, man, here. Because they know, like we're just. I'm like, yeah, here's the paper. This is the way the camera looks. And then he gets on the computer and does his whiz bang stuff. And so that way it's all the diagrams in there. And then it'd be like. So I got put in charge of routes, cameras and cameras at the embassy and door breaching, like how to get through each door. And that's what I did for almost a week and a half. Just going around being like, okay, going to different embassies, meeting with the ambassadors and all that stuff, and just going in and going to every door and then spun around and was like, all right. And then, I don't know, I. One day the Marine guys there heard about what I did and they were like, hey, can you teach us cqb? So we stayed and I started teaching CQB to the Marines on site.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And so it's interesting because you're a krift guy, so it makes a lot of sense. They sent you sort of as a recon dude to do recon in case they ever had to go in and evacuate that embassy. You know, your team knows where everything is and exactly how that building is constructed and.
Dave Harris
And that's why you have the computer imagery. And so that way all that stuff gets put in the computer database. And if anyone else has to do it, guess what they can pull up.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, you mean like 3D imagery and stuff?
Dave Harris
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, that's pretty cool.
Dave Harris
Yeah.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So, and then I take it the CCT guy had the airpiece and the MARSAT guy had like the ports and the amphibious.
Dave Harris
Yeah, yep. Everyone had all their own pieces. And we just like, okay, hey, we're going to do routes today. And me and the Marsak guy would get in the vehicle and I'd be like, all right. And I sit in the passenger seat and I'd be like, all right, turn right here. And I'd be like, telling them, and I'd be like, all right, here's this. This is the quickest way to the airport that goes into the computer.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
You know, we. We have been doing some operations in Nigeria over the last year or so. I mean, well, a few years now. What was sort of like your impression of Nigeria and what it would be like trying to work there?
Dave Harris
It was where we were by the embassies and all that stuff. It was urban. It was an urban environment. It was like any built up major city. I would tell you that it was closer to. I was in New York. It was closer to New Yorkish than it is to Charlotte. And what I mean Is the buildings are really close. Like it's not really like distance. I didn't really go into neighborhoods. I only was really down in the downtowns areas like where the Hilton was, where the embassy was, where the American what state, those areas. So it was really more like that. And then the highway wise, unless you know the route you want to go or have maps and GPS's and stuff, everything was written. I, I mean you ain't reading signs so you better know where you want to go.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And then after you, after that you headed back to Germany again?
Dave Harris
Yeah, then I went back to Germany and then we did our last week and a half and then I came back to Bragg.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And was that kind of like winding down your time at the Crif?
Dave Harris
That was probably. I was at that point I was, I was a three in my sale and I was there and then I had, I did about, I think I did two and a half more years there. I, I made it to, I was a one in my sales. I was a cell leader.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Cool.
Dave Harris
For about two and a half years I was a cell leader and then I volunteered to go to Sytholic.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
What was like kind of the last, the subsequent, like two and a half
Dave Harris
years, like a lot of training, getting ready to go back to Germany.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, okay. Oh, to rotate back over. I gotcha.
Dave Harris
Yeah. Because it was three troops. Because they broke us down into two ODAs making a troop. So it was like you do four, you do four, you do four. You do four, you do four, YOU do four.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So they also have you training for the, the counter WMD mission.
Dave Harris
Yes, we did that as well.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, that.
Dave Harris
So we did that. We went up to Virginia beach and used six compounds up there to do a lot of that training.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah, that, that's cool, man. And so you reach the kind of end of your time at the Kriff and then you go to Safaric. So again we should tell the, tell the listeners who don't know the Special Forces Advanced Urban Combat course.
Dave Harris
Yes sir.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And Safaric is different than Sephardic in that Sephalic is training the ODAs, not the Kriff, but the ODAs on urban warfare, CQB stuff. And that's an important course too because the ODAS go through intact as a 12 man team. Not like onesies and twosies. But I mean, let's hear it. You're the expert, Dave, you tell us.
Dave Harris
Well, you exactly, you're 100% right. The difference between Safari and Sephardic is Safari teaches basic pod CQB at least When I was there, it was basic PODCQB Sephardic teach free flow CQB with an emphasis on hostage rescue. Safari does not. We do not get into the hostage rescue portion. Does that mean they won't never do it? No, that doesn't mean that it's. We don't get into teaching it.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, I mean it's the, the ODAS don't have that mission. I mean things would have gone really wrong if they're doing that.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So I'm not saying it can never happen. I'm just saying that wasn't our mission to like prep them for. So I got there as a falwick and you do. It's really hammering CQB and basics like basic pod point of domination cqb. How do you do that? And the safest way to do it? And I did that for, I got to teach there for three and a half years.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's cool. So it's just like company after company coming through your course.
Dave Harris
Oh yeah. So it would be a company. It was like I saw probably every company like because if it's mandated that every team goes once a year at least when I was there was once a year. So they had to go every. I think it was once every two years because we couldn't see everyone. So it's once every two years. So literally it's like we did a six week course, take two weeks off, another six week course, take a week, take two weeks off, another 6 week course, 2. And that's just the rotation.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Six weeks is a lot too.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So it was when I was there, we were teaching six week course. It was two weeks for cmms combat. Combat marksmanship. Two weeks of cmms. Then we followed that with four weeks of cqb.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And then there's like a, some kind of cox at the end, right?
Dave Harris
Yep. So it was a Colex. So we would do. So you do two weeks of SEMAs and we that at the end of those two weeks it was enrolled in that same two weeks. You would do a. It's called a stress shoot. And if you didn't pass the stress shoot, some guys wanted to kick dudes out, some guys we disagreed. It basically got voted. If you don't pass the stress shoot, you get have to shoot sims and you couldn't shoot live bullets in the house.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, I gotcha. Yeah.
Dave Harris
So because you're still with your team, you're not getting fired from your team.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah.
Dave Harris
So we can't not do that.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah. Yeah.
Dave Harris
So we said hey, you're not shooting live bullets in the house. You'll shoot sims. So we made them shoot sims and that was it. We just let them and that the training continued. And then after the week one we did a, it was called a eval on cqb but make sure you understood basic CQB with a three room set before we started moving into breaching and using shotguns and explosive breaching and things of that such.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's awesome. So you, it sounds like you like doing that.
Dave Harris
Oh yeah, I loved it. I still love it. I was the primary instructor for CQB for two years and then I became the primary instructor for combat marksmanship for a year and then after that I did my last six months and then I got out.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
You want to tell us about that like last six months, what it was like, you know, leading up to your retirement and kind of how that felt after, you know, pretty long army career.
Dave Harris
So for me it was strange as in I, I knew what I wanted to do the whole time I was at safaric. I knew I wanted to get out and train people. I knew I wanted to continue that. So I was like okay. So I kind of started prepping it while I was in like I would teach on a Friday and drive and do a class somewhere other state on a Saturday and drive through the night on Sunday night to get back for safari Monday morning. And I was doing that on my own. And my last six months, I'll be honest, when I signed out on terminal leave and I already been working with Vortex Optics. So the day I signed out on terminal leave, Vortex called me and was like are you ready to go?
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's pretty cool.
Dave Harris
And those gallons do it.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And what is, I mean obviously they make optics but can you talk a little bit about like the products that Vortex makes?
Dave Harris
They make, they are, I, I call them the Walmart of optics. And I mean by that is if you have a budget, like hey, I have a 200 budget, it's an optic we have for that. If you are like hey I want to buy $3000 like top of the line, we have optics for that. So they are the number one optic company, the biggest optic company in the world right now.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's pretty cool.
Dave Harris
And they sell a lot of optics and they also have a golf line. I don't know where that came in.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And so does that, that's, I mean first off that's great that you had a post retirement job lined up right away and what has that been? Like I remember you were saying that they have you Traveling all over the country.
Dave Harris
Yeah. So my, my. I'm a contractor for Vortex, but how explained from them to me is my company runs their training. So I had to make my own LLC and started my own company and I run their training through them. So cops hit me up. I handle all scheduling, all the planning, everything. And we go around this country teaching cops free of charge.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
And is it teaching them how to use those Vortex products?
Dave Harris
No.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, it's anything, really.
Dave Harris
Yeah, we go to any agency and teach them, hey, you got red dots and you need a right pistol. Red dot, transition corpse. We don't care what dot you have. We want you to get training. Okay, that's pretty much it. Yeah. Vortex wants you to go home at the end of the shift.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah, no, that's super cool. And you're still doing that today?
Dave Harris
Yeah, I started when I got out and we've been going and we are now booking in the February of 20. 2028.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Oh, my God. 2028?
Dave Harris
Yep.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
What else do you got going on over there in. You're still in the Fort Bragg area?
Dave Harris
Yes, sir.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
What. What else is keeping Dave Harris busy nowadays?
Dave Harris
So when I'm not doing that, I am. When I'm not training cops, I go to shoot competitions on my own free time or I train, like dry firing stuff. And then in the meantime, I've been married for 21 years. My daughter's 20. I've been married going on 22 years, December 3rd. My daughter's 21. My son is 17. So every once in a while, I have to act like I love them and do stuff with them. For the most part, if I'm not doing something with my family, I'm training. I'm shooting.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
So you're shooting Ipsec and. Or long range.
Dave Harris
You. Yeah, uspsa. Ipsic. Three two gun. I left. Stop shooting three gun. Just because I was like, I don't see the purpose of the shotgun for what I do.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah. Anything else that you want to talk about that I. I didn't ask?
Dave Harris
No, I mean, I hope. Is there anything you. That I didn't talk about?
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
No, no. I think we covered a lot of ground, man. And I really appreciate you sharing your story with us.
Dave Harris
I appreciate you having me, man.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, absolutely. And shout out to Jay for putting us in touch.
Dave Harris
Yes, Jay. Yeah, he's a great guy, man.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, yeah, Jay's awesome. So, yeah, Dave, where can people find you if they want to, you know, inquire about training? Are you on, like, LinkedIn? Is there a website or Anything that people should check out?
Dave Harris
Yes, you can go to harris strategicsolutions.com you can go there. You can hit me up on Harrison Strategic Solutions on Instagram. Right. You can hit me there directly. Both of those go directly to my email. You also can go to IWI Us and they have a tab on their IWI Vortex Optics collab. And you can go there and it tells you a breakdown of every class we teach, everything we do. And at the bottom it's a request form and the request form goes directly to my phone and as soon as I get the email, I'll hit you back.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
That's awesome, man. Well, we'll have some links down in the description for people that are watching this or listening. But Dave, I really appreciate your time spending some, you know, some of your Wednesday night with us.
Dave Harris
I appreciate you having me, man.
Host (possibly Teamhouse Podcast host)
Yeah, thanks for doing it and everyone else out there. We'll see you guys next time. Thanks for joining us.
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This weekend, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home and they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities. And most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa. Now back to your podcast, Foreign.
Bluff
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This weekend, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home. And they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities. And most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by NHTSA. Now back to your podcast.
Lady Luck
Hey everybody, Lady Luck here. And we're celebrating America's 250th birthday. Now all summer long I'm going to be celebrating by playing on spinquest.com which is an American owned social casino. It obviously features over a thousand slot games and live blackjack, live craps, live bubble craps. Head on over to spinquest.com get yourself a $30 coin pack for just 10 bucks.
Spinquest Announcer
Spin Quest is a free to play social casino void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details.
Public Service Announcer (NHTSA)
This weekend, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home. And they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities. And most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa. Now back to your podcast.
Lady Luck
Hey everybody, Lady Luck here. And we're celebrating America's 250th birthday. Now all summer long I'm going to be celebrating by playing on finquest.com which is an American owned social casino. It obviously features over a thousand slot games and live blackjack, live craps, live bubble craps. Head on over to spinquest.com get yourself a $30 coin pack for just 10 bucks.
Spinquest Announcer
Spinquest is a free to play social casino void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details.
Public Service Announcer (NHTSA)
This weekend, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home and they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities and most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people. Around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa. Now back to your podcast.
Lady Luck
Hey everybody. Lady Luck here. And we're celebrating America's 250th birthday. Now, all summer long, I'm going to be celebrating by playing on spinquest.com which is an American owned social casino. It obviously features over a thousand slot games and live blackjack, live craps, live bubble craps. Head on over to spinquest.com get yourself a $30 coin pack for just 10 bucks.
Spinquest Announcer
Spin Quest is a free to play social casino void. Where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details.
Public Service Announcer (NHTSA)
This weekend, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home. And they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities. And most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa. Now back to your podcast.
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Public Service Announcer (NHTSA)
This weekend someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home and they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities and most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa. Now back to your podcast.
Lady Luck
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Public Service Announcer (NHTSA)
This weekend, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home, and they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities and most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by NHTSA now back to your podcast.
Dave Harris
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This weekend, someone is walking their dog. Someone is crossing the street to their car. Someone's kid is riding a bike home. And they're counting on you to drive the speed limit. Speeding accounts for nearly 30% of traffic fatalities, and most of those crashes don't happen on the interstate. They happen on the streets where people live. Slow down. It's an act of care for the people around you. So remember, speeding catches up with you. Know the road and respect its limits. Presented by nhtsa. Now back to your podcast.
In this compelling episode, Jack Murphy sits down with Dave Harris, a veteran of the U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), to explore Harris's remarkable career journey—from his upbringing in Richmond, California, through years with the 82nd Airborne, his transition to 3rd Special Forces Group (3rd SFG), multiple deployments to Afghanistan, ASO and mobility team missions, and culminating as a Crisis Response Force (CRF/Criff) operator. The conversation unpacks everything from the path to Special Forces, operational life, unique challenges, and the evolution of crisis response teams, to what it means to transition from military life to instructing law enforcement nationwide.
Standing Up Remote Outposts
Combat Experiences
ASO versus Traditional ODA Missions
Third Trip and Leadership Lessons
Ghana (First Deployment as CRF)
South Sudan Evacuation (CRF Mission in Action)
Nigeria Embassy Recon and Security Planning
"As long as you don't quit. You may not make the times, but don't quit."
—Dave Harris (11:21)
"No one's telling you about those actual S-shop duties...You need to go down, get the Hazmat class...No way I can do all that crap."
—Dave Harris (47:46)
"You couldn't go further than an hour away from base because we could be recalled at any moment."
—Dave Harris (60:28)
"They are at war. You are not."
—JAG Officer to Harris’s team before South Sudan mission (68:34)
"That's the only thing I've ever been messed up with is, like, seeing kids. Kids got injured, I'd be like damn, that's younger than my daughter or they the same age as my son."
—Dave Harris (44:32)
"So every once in a while, I have to act like I love them and do stuff with them. For the most part, if I'm not doing something with my family, I'm training. I'm shooting."
—Dave Harris (89:00)
The conversation is candid and approachable, blending plenty of humor and humility (“I just wanted a job where I get to ruck and run!”) with deep insight into the pressures and high standards of Special Forces—and the personal impact of a long operational career. Both host and guest share field wisdom in a laid-back style, making this episode both a primer for outsiders and a trove of inside-baseball anecdotes for veterans.