RANGER, RRC (JSOC), OMEGA Team Operator | Mike Edwards (throwback episode)

Summary

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The Team House – Episode 240

RANGER, RRC (JSOC), OMEGA Team Operator | Mike Edwards (Throwback Episode)
August 6, 2026
Hosts: Jack Murphy, Dave Park, Adam White (producer), Dee (tech)
Guest: Mike Edwards – 75th Ranger Regiment, Regimental Reconnaissance Company (RRC), Omega Team Operator

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Episode Overview

This throwback episode welcomes Mike Edwards for his first in-studio appearance on The Team House. Mike's career in special operations spans the 75th Ranger Regiment, the elite Regimental Reconnaissance Company (RRC), military free fall instructor roles, and the Omega program. The episode explores Mike’s career, his transition from mechanized infantry to elite recce, lessons in leadership, combat operations, clandestine operations, and his post-military journey including advocacy for Afghan special operators and reflections on faith and healing.

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Mike Edwards’ Origin Story & Military Path

[01:59–04:54]

• Early Life: Mike grew up in rural Alabama, close-knit family; adventurous youth with his brother in the woods.
• Family Military Roots: Father joined the Army in his 30s as an officer.
• Initial Army Steps:
  • Joined National Guard mid-high school, completed boot camp and AIT, attended Marion Military Institute (struggled with grades, excelled in military aspects).
  • Dropped out, worked construction, enlisted active duty in 3rd Infantry Division, then set sights on Special Forces.
• On SF vs. Rangers:
  "My dad was like, hey, Special Forces is the brains, Rangers are the brawn. That's what my dad used to say."
• Detour to Korea: Orders to Korea interrupted SF plans. 9/11 led him to reenlist for Ranger Regiment.

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Life as Mechanized Infantry & Korea

[04:54–09:16]

• Describes mechanized infantry life in Bradleys: “We were at the mercy of those Bradleys… sleeping like sardines… popping those drain holes out and peeing out of the drain holes. It was nasty in the back of those things.” (05:18)
• Korea prior to 9/11: Hard PT, marathon runs in battalion formation, rock marches, then 9/11 lockdown—trading ax handles for empty M16s, frustrating security procedures.
• Growing disillusionment and desire for a more dynamic unit: reenlisted for Ranger Battalion.

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From Line Infantry to Ranger Battalion—And Nearly Missing Out

[09:17–12:39]

• Decision to choose Rangers over SF after a “Manchu Mile” ruck march: “If you love this, you need to be a Ranger...”
• Almost missed RIP (Ranger Indoctrination Program) due to a vehicle inspection issue; was dropped and had to beg to get back in:
  • “With tears in my eyes, I was like, please. And, like, I begged the cadre... Luckily, he had compassion for me and let me start the next RIP class.” (11:40)
• Reflects on fate hinging on minor moments: “It's wild sometimes, these edge moments in people's careers... that can make or break them.” (11:40)

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Arrival at Ranger Battalion & Squad Leader Stories

[12:07–16:13]

• Joined 3/75 as an E4 “import” — untabbed, but squared away, strong PT/knowledgeable.
• Endured the typical gauntlet of being a private in Battalion:
  “You can't stay under the radar. You're going to get just destroyed constantly.”
• Accountability Story: As a new corporal, accidentally brought a smoke grenade back from a range, was punished with endless IMT (individual movement techniques) and had to lay out all issued gear.
  • “It was the most embarrassing moment... But it's a lesson that you'll never forget.” (16:13)

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Command, Mortars, & Leadership Lessons

[16:39–20:37]

• Recounting stricter standards in the mortar platoon: “Discipline was still strong there... held to the next level.”
• Pushed for mortarmen to cross-train: battlefield interrogation, sniper school.
  • “They were undervalued... not utilized to the best of their ability.” (19:34)
• Used cross-training to build force multipliers.

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Ranger Battalions in Combat: Iraq Deployments & Close-Close Combat

[20:37–31:36]

• Squad leader in Mosul—multiple raids/night, two platoons alternating day/night:
  • “...two to three [raids] a day... pretty much every single day.” (21:41)
• Tal Afar Raid:
  • Detailed account of a high-casualty, high-intensity direct action:
    • “Bad guy slams the door and takes off. Our dude boots the door, goes right in. That dude dropped a frag. All those dudes took a point blank grenade blast...”
    • Kicking grenades away, coordinating MEDEVACs under fire, multiple casualties, air support eventually leveling the block:
      • “Once we pulled off, they pretty much leveled that entire city block, I think. Killed like 200 dudes or something.”
• Notable: Nominated for a Distinguished Service Cross for actions; citation didn't move up due to “political” reasons.

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Transition to RRC (Regimental Reconnaissance Company)

[32:14–41:18]

• Initial curiosity sparked seeing “super fit, mature dudes, long beards” at Regiment.
• First exposure via Omega deployment with RD (now RRC):
  • “This is what you guys do? Like, this is the coolest deployment I've ever done.”
• Decision to try out for RRC after operational exposure, tough selection prep.
• RRC Selection detailed:
  • Physically on par with Delta selection; “lots of walking in the mountains, 15–20 miles/day with a ruck, always under assessment.”
  • “The OTC pipeline... almost a full year... walked 40 miles with a tactical recce ruck... just to get to the mission.” (37:05)

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Life and Tradecraft at RRC

[41:18–43:09]

• Eye-opening shift:
  • “In the regular Army, you’re only read onto this very little bit… then you get to RRC… now you know the background behind how they do what they do because you’re facilitating it... Read onto so many programs...”
• Advanced training: picking locks, resisting interrogation, long-range shooting, concealed pistol craft.
• Recruitment pitch:
  • “It’s like the best kept secret in the Army... Anything, any training we wanted, we could do.”

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Deep-Dive: Cladestine Operations, ARU, and Afghan Proxies

[45:07–55:07]

• RRC evolved from green-side recce to strategic/national-level capabilities.
• Heavy emphasis on teaching, mentoring, and training Afghan Recon Units (ARU): created "proxy" networks for deep-cover, close-in reconnaissance, and sensitive operations.
• Extreme tradecraft: dead drops, SD card swaps in water bottles, counter-tail surveillance.
  • “I would say, drive by this location at this exact time, plus or minus one minute… chuck [the SD card], then I’d pick it up, no face-to-face contact.” (47:28)
• Recruited from elite KKA/Commandos, put through stringent selection and pipeline—by the end, were encrypting comms and sending PowerPoints in English.

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Transition to Working with Proxies & Challenges

[55:29–60:43]

• Agent handling and proxy oversight was both frustrating and gratifying; balance between direct action and mentorship.
• Unique position: “best of both worlds”—daytime clandestine work, nighttime direct action with Rangers/Delta.
• Debate of ops vs. intelligence cycle: in ARU program, “intelligence was driving operations.”
• Mike's advocacy led to Project Exodus Relief during Afghan evacuation: feed, move, and lobby for Afghan special ops and ARU partners left behind.

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Project Exodus Relief & The Plight of Afghan Commandos

[63:33–76:17]

• “These ARU guys... most loyal out of the Afghans… and nobody cared about them.”
• Despite Congressional engagement, efforts to move ARUs languished:
  • “Nothing ever happens... [SIVs] never get approved.”
• Relied on donations: fed ~2000 ARU and families for two years; running out of funds—call for support: proexodusrelief.com (65:56)
• Many stuck inside Afghanistan or risk perilous migrations:
  • “Some ended up trafficked by alleged Christian groups... beaten, mugged, robbed.”
• "Catch-22"—highly clandestine ARU/OMEGA operators lack paperwork needed for SIV/visa processes.

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Moral Injury, Faith, and Healing

[95:07–109:22]

• Mike’s post-retirement years marked by anger, alcohol, and suicidal ideation:
  • “...pistol to my head, snatching the slack out of a trigger... Not scared to tell people about that...” (95:16)
• Deep gratitude for his wife's support and for finding healing through faith and intensive Bible study—not traditional therapy, medication, or psychedelic treatments.
• Noted “momentary” crisis most at risk—emphasizes the importance of proactive, persistent “buddy checks”:
  • “That guy’s not going to call you. Buddy checks, doing them routinely...” (104:21)
• Advocates “being honest about it”: Mike draws strength from being open, crediting fellow veteran DJ Shipley for inspiring frankness.

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Psychedelics, Therapy, and Spiritual Insights

[107:25–113:19]

• Experienced toad/DMT ceremony with fellow Rangers, facilitated by Miles Grantham (Grantham):
  • “...it was the most amazing thing, but I don’t think that’s what fixed me... But it showed me God is real… that may have catalyzed my Bible study.”
• Considers psychedelics/plant medicine helpful for some, but ultimately for him—immersion in studying faith was the breakthrough.
• Broader reflection:
  • “It’s easy to compartmentalize ourselves... but these things [psychedelics/spirituality] can break us out of the box.”
• Sees “faith” as a largely missing but vital part of special operations veteran healing:
  • “Not the easy ticket... but those who diligently seek him, he will manifest himself to you.”

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Life After Service: Executive Protection & Continued Mission

[87:38–92:26]

• Now director of VIP security at USPA Nationwide Security, working with fellow SOF veterans.
• USPA’s “Kingsman” charity:
  • “50% of earnings go to cases of missing persons, trafficked children, battered women.”
• Provides executive protection, Firewatch, and leverages veteran networks to aid real-world recoveries and law enforcement.
• Mike finds ongoing duty and meaning in this work:
  • “This definitely fills that niche.”

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Q&A and Light Moments

On Equipment, Training, and Recce Life

• RRC vs. Delta/Force Recon/SRR—a different but overlapping mission; small, well-funded, elite, and unknown (“best kept secret in the Army”).
• Freefall: “We’d jump as high as 35,000 ft... glide up to 40 km... serious precision.”
• Preferred low-vis weapon: MP7 for clandestine work, AR platforms for DA.

Memorable Quotes & Banter

• On Combat:
  “Grenades... are like a beesting... barely goes under the skin, but point blank... turns guys into a pink mist.” (24:47)
• On Afghan Allies:
  “Tried to pitch deniable third-country ops with ARUs; nobody wants it… These guys are ready for .22 work.” (86:27)
• On RRC:
  “Anything really is justifiable for recce... anything we wanted to do, we could do.” (43:14)
• On Post-Service Faith:
  “My wife was praying for me... she’s the most valorous soldier that I know.” (96:12)
• On Mental Health:
  “It’s hard to overcome that weakness and admit that you’re weak.” (103:12)
• On UFOs/Technology:
  “Somebody came out recently and said we have the capability... I guarantee you we have stuff we couldn’t even fathom out there.” (130:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Background: 01:00–04:54
• Ranger Indoctrination & Early Career: 09:17–12:39
• Close-Combat Story (Tal Afar): 22:25–29:45
• Omega, RRC, and Selections: 32:14–41:18
• Clandestine Ops, ARU Training: 45:07–54:15
• Project Exodus Relief / Afghan Allies: 63:33–77:17
• Faith, Healing, and Honesty: 95:07–109:22
• Psychedelics & Faith Discussion: 107:25–113:19
• Favorite Weapons/Recce Gear/Q&A: 141:26–147:08

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Final Thoughts

Mike thanks the team for inviting him in-studio. Adam and Mike reflect on the surreal experience of continued service and friendship beyond the military, now defined by personal growth, healing, and new missions—whether it's running protection for Madonna, feeding Afghan siblings-in-arms, or opening up about true struggles and victories after war.

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Resources:

• Project Exodus Relief – Supporting ARU and Afghan SOF veterans
• USPA Nationwide Security – Executive protection led by SOF alumni

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Summary prepared by The Team House podcast summarizer.

Transcript

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[Jack Murphy]

Hey, everyone. Welcome to episode 240 of the Team House. I'm Jack Murphy here with Dave Park. Our boy Adam White is back there in the darkness. Dee's pressing the buttons. And our guest in studio, his third appearance on the show, but the first time in studio. We're really excited to have him here. I haven't seen this dude in person for like 17 years. This Mike Edwards. Mike served in the 75th Ranger Regiment. We were in 375 back in the day together. And he went on to have a career in the Regimental Reconnaissance Company and then as a military free fall instructor. So we're really excited to have you here, man.

[Mike Edwards]

Well, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Good to see you on person for real.

[Jack Murphy]

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[Dave Park]

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[Jack Murphy]

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[Mike Edwards]

That is sweet.

[Jack Murphy]

So, Mike, man, I'm gonna have you. I. I'm sorry if I have you to repeat yourself a little bit, but I'm gonna. I think it got cut off a little bit in our first interview, actually. But I'm gonna ask you to tell us a little bit about, like, your origin story and sort of your upbringing and like your path towards military service. Like, how did that come about for you?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, so I grew up living out in the country, just me and my brother playing in the woods, shooting BB guns, hunting squirrels and you know, rabbits and stuff like that in, in rural Alabama. Had a normal upbringing, good mother, good father. You know, I love them both. We're still close, my whole family's close, cousins, aunts, uncles. So I had a good bond there with family. Grew up. As I got a little bit older, my dad went in the army. He went in the army kind of a little bit later in life, like in his 30s and he became an officer. So once I got older I never really thought about joining the military. But I was probably about midway through high school and I just decided, you know, I'm going to try out the military, you know, go in the National Guard. So I joined the National Guard. My dad wanted me to be an officer, so I ended up doing boot camp and AIT for the National Guard, was an infantry National Guard and then went to Marion military and sued to be an officer. So did two years there and then I was good at ROTC type stuff, the military aspect of it. But I, I was too, I was young and immature, wanted to party and I was too worried about travel, you know, drinking and partying and stuff like that. So I didn't focus on grades as well as I should. The military aspect I made like all hundreds. But then, you know, PT score good to go. But then some of the other aspects I was struggling on. So ended up withdrawing from school after two years. It was a two year military school where you do two years, you get your commission as an officer and then you'd go to like University of Alabama or Auburn or something like that. So I withdrew, failing and just decided to just move back in with my mom down in like Gulf Shores, Foley area of Alabama. Lived down there, did some construction work for a little bit. But you know, the army thing was kind of always in the back of my mind. So I ended up enlisting to go active duty. Started off in 3rd Infantry Division at Kelly Hill on Fort Benning in a mechanized infantry unit. Did a little bit of time there, have some good friends. I still keep in touch from, from back then, but did some time there. Ended up wanting to go Special Forces. Always thought like Special Forces, Green Beret was like the way to go. My dad was like, hey, Special Forces is the brains Rangers or the brawn. That's what my dad used to say. And you know, I, I ended up doing everything to get ready to set up for Special Forces selection. And then, you know, had did the pre PT test Had a selection date set up and then boom, got popped for orders to go to Korea. So I did a year in Korea and then 9, 11 popped off and then things changed and I ended up going to the Ranger regiment. So I guess that's kind of it in a nutshell. Kicking it off from childhood up to initial entry in the army.

[Dave Park]

What, what was it like when you were in. Because I don't even know if there is mechanized infantry anymore.

[Mike Edwards]

Is there strikers? Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

Bradley's.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I was in a Bradley. No, it's not. Oh, it's because it used to be an MOS loving Mike.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah, no, I don't, I don't think the MOS exists.

[Dave Park]

Really. Yeah. So like, what, what was that like compared to like straight leg infantry?

[Mike Edwards]

It was, it was completely different. We were at the mercy of, of those Bradleys. Right. So wherever the Bradley went, that was like our little, that was like our shop, you know, so it rolled around, did its thing. We kept all of our gear strapped to the outside of it. Like our rucksacks are strapped on the outside. MREs and stuff like that. It would drop the ramp, we would go do light infantry stuff. But then we'd always come back to that Bradley and it actually, we ended up spending a lot of time in those Bradleys too. I remember one time at NTC, we were driving around, I think we were like 20 something hours straight in the back of the Bradley's. I mean, you're just like sleeping like this and then you're up and then you're sleeping. Like everybody's piled in there. You're stacked in there like sardines, right? And those things, I don't know if a lot of people know, but they have a drain hole plug in the bottom of them because they're made to be amphibious, Right. So even the, the newer ones still have the legacy drain plugs. So we'd be in those things. You, you couldn't unhatch that thing. It was like, like you almost had to have orders to let the ramp down. So 20 something hours in there. Like we were popping those drain holes out and peeing out of the drain holes. It was nasty in the back of those things just to be quick with it. But yeah, it was, it was different. A lot different than light infantry. Yeah, I never really experienced light infantry until I got to the Ranger regiment.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

What was it like for you in Korea? Because that's, that's kind of a hardship tour, right? For, for infantry.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what they call it. So for me, when I went there, it was prior to 9 11. When I initially got there, it was. We had a SAR major that was big on pt, So, I mean, that kind of set me up for the Ranger regiment. He was like, I want everybody to run a marathon before the time you leave here. So in 12 months of your year, he's like, we're going to do a little bit more. A little bit more, a little bit more. So we do these incredibly slow but yet long runs. So by the time that year was up, I had run a marathon in a battalion formation. Mind you, like. Like, probably two thirds of the formation was gone, like, because we were on Camp Casey, and then there was another base called Camp Hoby. So we'd run around Camp Casey, then run around Camp Hoby, then run around Camp Casey, and then around Camp Hoby. Super small bases. Every time we pass by battalion area, like, formation would just sheath off. You know what I mean? Like, oh, my. So. But, you know, I couldn't quit because I had that. That drive that got me to the Ranger regiment. So that set me up for it. We did a lot of rock marching and stuff, and then 9 11, but. But you were stuck there on the base. There wasn't a whole. We did a little bit of training, probably trained a little bit more than I did stateside in. In the mechanized infantry. But then 911 happened, and they, like, locked the base down. They had us pulling security. We were doing, like, roving patrols around the base. You know, everybody was, like, on, you know, super high alert. But the thing that really got me was that here we are now at war, right? Or like, at the very beginning, we thought we were going to war, but they amped up security, yet I was carrying around an M16 with no ammo in it. Literally no. Or at first they had us with ax handles, like, what the heck am I going to do with an accent? But they had us with ax handles carrying it around. Then they gave us rifles, but, like, you had to inspect the crap out of them. And then you could walk around, but you had no ammo. Then eventually it finally got to where we could have ammo. But your magazine, every round was counted and tape was over the top of it, and it was stuffed in the magazine. Well, with tape on the top of it. So if you wanted to shoot anybody, you had to take it out, take the tape off, put it back in, and rack it. So it was frustrating. So I. I really had a. Like, a disdain for the army. I really hated it. And I really wanted to get out. And I noticed it before that we would guard empty concrete pads for like hours while everybody was out. And I'm like, why am I wasting my time doing this? And then 911 kind of perpetuated that. But I was, you know, now we're at war. And that's what I joined the military for. So I just looked to reenlist. And so I reenlisted for Ranger Battalion. And that's where I went from there.

[Adam White]

There.

[Dave Park]

And what was it that took you to the Rangers instead of SF like you had planned?

[Mike Edwards]

Well, there was a guy that was in my unit out there, actually. And speaking of that, it was one of the things they did in, in Korea was the Manchu Mile. That's what they called it. It's like a 30 mile ruck march. And I love ruck marching so much. So we're like, hut, hut, hut, like rucking about 15 miles into this ruck march. And I'm just like, everybody's sucking, but I'm like, dude, I love, love this stuff. And this dude was like, if you love this, you need to be a Ranger. And I was like, I was thinking about doing Special Forces, but he was like, nah, you want to go to the Ranger Regiment? He's like, you go to Ranger regiment, you're going to kill bad guys. If you want to do this kind of stuff and ruck march, hook you

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[Mike Edwards]

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[Mike Edwards]

So I said, okay. Well, I was. So I started asking more questions. I didn't know anything about Rangers. Um, and then, you know, that's ended up being the route that I went. I went and reenlisted, and I wasn't sure that I was going to go to Ranger baton because I think they mixed it up with a Ranger school at first. But luckily, through the coaching of that nco, I was able to make sure that I went to Ranger Battalion. And so I went and did that and then almost didn't make it. Like, I was selling Adam today. I almost didn't even make it into RIP because, you know, they do vehicle inspections at the very beginning of rip. Well, I had a tail light that was out in my vehicle, and I can't remember exactly how it happened, but one of the cadre was like, it's no big deal. You're not going to drive it while you're in rip, so it's just gonna have to be parked. You can get it fixed after rip. And I said, okay, cool. So then I ended up getting questioned by another one of the cadre. And I was like, well, the cadre said that I could get it fixed afterwards. They're like, no, you got to get it fixed right now. He never told you that? I'm like, wait, that's what he told me. They're like, well, you're. You're calling cadre a liar. I was like, I'm just saying that's what he told me. And I'm sorry if. I mean, if you think I'm calling him a liar. They're like, you're dropped from the course. Like, right at the beginning. Like, I just gotten smoked up a little bit. Boom. Drop from the course. Now I was in holdovers, but I literally went, like. With tears in my eyes, I was like, please. And, like, I begged the cadre. I was like, please, give me another shot. Like, I will do anything. I did not mean to say that he was a lie, a liar. I was just saying what I heard, and I wasn't trying to call him a liar. Maybe there was a misunderstanding or whatever, but I was like, please don't kick me out. And so luckily, he had compassion for me and let me start the next RIP Class. So it's.

[Dave Park]

It's wild sometimes, like, these. These edge moments in people's careers, especially military careers, that can make or break them, depending on how it goes.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

You know, that's totally out of your control.

[Dave Park]

It's totally out of your control.

[Mike Edwards]

There's a lot of that.

[Jack Murphy]

That happens.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

You know? Yeah. Yeah. So what. So what was it like for you when you got to battalion?

[Jack Murphy]

You're.

[Dave Park]

What rank were you?

[Mike Edwards]

I was an E4.

[Dave Park]

So you're an import.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I was an import. Untabbed E4, no Ranger tab. Getting there. Luckily, I. I consider myself squared away. I mean, the guys that knew me may say otherwise, but I thought I was squared away. Like, I had. I pretty much had the. The seven eight memorized back then. I was in. Physically, I was in really good shape. I was in way better shape than most of the other privates, so didn't have that hanging over my head. I was knowledgeable, so I kind of was able to kind of stay under the radar for the most part, but, I mean, you know how it is.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

As a private, Ranger battalion.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

You can't stay under the radar. You're going to get just destroyed constantly. One of the big things that I remember was we went.

[Dave Park]

We had.

[Mike Edwards]

We had done a range talking about Joe Cap. He was one of my. He was one of my Guys in my squad at the time, like, I was a team leader, and he was one of my guys. I think. I think at the time. Or no, he was. Maybe it was one of the same platoon, but we went out to a range and I. It was either him or one other guy. I had inspect my gear. We did a live fire, and we had. Remember we'd had that dude that got shot with the blank adapter on in the shoot house.

[Drew McIntyre]

Remember that?

[Jack Murphy]

That was Wiseman Ranger school. Yeah. In 2004. Three or four.

[Mike Edwards]

Sounds about right.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

So that was a big deal. I was a brand new corporal, and that dude got shot with a live round to a blank adapter. And so they were, like, really being scrutinizing on, like, Blake's blanks and live ammo ammo shakedowns, which we. Yeah. So we're at this range. I had my dudes. I swear to God, I had my dudes shake me down. I was like, check my stuff. And they checked all my pouches and stuff. Go back, throw my. My rack into the wall locker. And then about a week later, we had a range where it was a machine range, and I was a brand new rso, like, corporal. So they're like, all right, you're gonna go be the rso. So I'm like, all right. So I got go out there to be the range safety officer and didn't shoot. Left my kid in the bus the whole time. But then at the end of the range, they were like, everybody bring your stuff out and lay it out. And then they were like. And I was like, do you want me to grab mine? Sorry. Yeah, yeah, grab yours too. I'm like, okay. I go to grab it out of the bus, and you know how it is, like, when you grab it and you're like, wait a minute, what's that?

[Jack Murphy]

Feels a little heavy.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, it's a little weird.

[Dave Park]

There's.

[Mike Edwards]

There's a smoke grenade and one of my pops. Just a smoke grenade. But I'm like. My heart sank right away. I'm like, oh, my God. I hope like. And I know where that came from. They did. They just didn't check that very backpack. It was one of those dump pouches, but that zipped up. I was like, oh, my God. So I take this thing out there and I lay it out, and I'm just like. I go over the platform tune, son. I'm like, hey, sorry. I got bad news for you. I was like, in that pouch, I. I have a smoke grenade that was left over from another range. They just laid into me. Oh, that's it. They like started. They're like, you go sit over there, do push ups. I'm like, I'm doing push ups and push ups and push ups. And then they finished checking everybody else. Load everybody on the bus. This is at Red Cloud range, so not too far from down the street. Yeah, there's like three miles or so. They made me. They took the bus back and they made me imt like, I'm up, he sees me, I'm down, I'm up, he sees me, I'm down. All the way back. Three miles of IMTs, dude, this is, is the beginning of it, right? And meanwhile, the bus just left me. They sent the Humvee back to like monitor me. Imting all the way back. So I get back, then my squad leader says, I want you to go all the way up. He basically briefs me on all this stuff. He's like, you're gonna, you're going to understand accountability of your equipment, how important this all is, and making sure you've got all your stuff. And I'm like, how does this even have anything to do with me? I have a smoker name, but he made me IMT to the barracks and grab like, just like the canteen cup, come all the way back, then the imt all the way back imt, you know, for the crowd out there is individual movement techniques. Like I'm up running.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Like you're being shot at. You're taking cover the whole way. So you can't just run there and back. So it takes a while. So I go, then I get the canteen. Then I come back, get the canteen cover, then I go get the Alice clips until all of my TA50, all of my entire issue, this was about eight hours later.

[Dave Park]

Oh, my God.

[Mike Edwards]

All of my issue was laid out in formation. So I never ever took that, you know, ammo shakedowns, not serious ever again after that because. But yeah, it was embarrassing though, as a corporal, you know, brand new nco, so they call it. Right. And then here I am just being. Just made look. Made to look like crap in front of all the privates. It was the most embarrassing moment. Yeah, but it's a lesson that you'll never forget.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

Did they have. When you were the skipping forward? A little bit. But when you were the mortar platoon sergeant, did they still have the huge amnesty box? Because one of the guys from mortars brought a, like a 81 millimeter round back from the range once. They had like an amnesty box, like literally. You could open it up and, like, put things.

[Mike Edwards]

I don't remember that. That'd be a good question for Les Sandusky.

[Dave Park]

I mean.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I don't. I don't remember that. But, dude, those. Those guys are out of control. There were some good dudes, man. I love working with those guys, but, dude, as I got to. And I don't want to jump at it too much, but in the mortar platoon, the. The discipline was still strong there. Like, when I went back to 3rd Ranger Battalion, I mean, discipline was still good in the regiment compared to anywhere else, but those guys really held it to the next level still. And, like, I had to, like, kind of, like, turn a blind eye because a lot of what they were doing was, like, not authorized. But I'm like, I'm good with it. You know, I'm with you the crap out of those dudes, but I'm over here.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

Years ago, we had. Remember Ian Karusha guy, and he was describing mortar section. He's like. I think he described this the most terrifying place in Ranger battalion.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh, I wouldn't. Yeah, it's. It's no joke.

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And.

[Mike Edwards]

And there's some of the smartest guys, too. Yeah. Yeah. You have to be. You know, these dudes could do a lot of that math in their head, and you're. You're talking trigonometry, dude. And these guys are just, like, cranking it out in their head.

[Dave Park]

Oh.

[Mike Edwards]

Like, boom, boom, boom, boom. No big deal. Yeah, it's a. I. I had a. Under respect for that place until I went there to be the platoon sergeant. I was like, man, these dudes are all geniuses. They just want to do the best that they can. They all wish they were shooters in the line. So one of the big things I tried to do there was bring in something new for them, you know, I was like, man, these guys are not being utilized overseas the way they should. So I was like, what can we do? So thinking about, like, what I did in rrc, so I was like, okay, I'd send dudes over to RRC to do classes on, like, battlefield interrogation, because I'm like, that's cool. It's something. A new skill they didn't get to do, but they could go over there and learn how to battlefield interrogate. So now they're a force multiplier overseas. If they're not shooting mortars, they'd be like, hey, I can interrogate. Right? Send a bunch of guys to army sniper school, too. The sniper platoon, as, you know, like, I don't know if it was that way when you were there, but definitely when I was mortar platoon sergeant, we had our black side weapons, which were all the weapons that were like issued by jsoc. And then you had the regular army sniper rifles. Well, nobody ever used the regular army sniper rifles, but at that time it was actually a pretty good rifle. It was the sas, I think it was the. I can't remember what that stands for, but.

[Jack Murphy]

Oh, you're talking about the. Yeah, the 556.

[Mike Edwards]

No, not the SPR. You're talking about.

[Jack Murphy]

Yes.

[Mike Edwards]

This was a 762 gas gun. It was an AR10 platform that the army had come up with, like the SR.

[Jack Murphy]

Okay, so the M110. Yeah. Yes.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, that's it. 110. So they had those, but nobody used them. But it was a solid gun.

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[Mike Edwards]

But the. All the snipers would use the.300 win mags or they would use the freaking SR25 because yeah, it was cooler, you know what I mean? But so they didn't use those others. So I got all the sniper rifles assigned to the mortar platoon. So I had five dudes that went to regular army sniper school. They were sniper qualified and then they had their own signed sniper rifles. I tried to send them to cross train, lots of different stuff like that so they could be force multipliers. We actually sent a couple dudes to Sodic too. You know, the special courses. Sniper course too, so. Because they were just undervalued guys. I mean, not that they were undervalued, but you know, they weren't utilized to the best of their ability. I mean, they were taking them out, they were taking mortar to. A lot of times they weren't even taking the mortar tube. So it's like they're just an extra dude sitting on a bp.

[Jack Murphy]

So you can justify it though. I mean, you need security around the mortar section when they're in the field.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

And you know, that's just added value for the soldier and whatever, you know, he brings to the table.

[Mike Edwards]

And you think about on the bps, they're at a spot where they're going to get some reach anyway. They're going to have some standoff. It's a good spot for a sniper.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And it adds flexibility to them.

[Jack Murphy]

So your Ranger battalion, misspent youth as a corporal. That was about the time when I met you, actually. When, when you came back from Ranger school and then you went on to become a squad leader in second platoon.

[Mike Edwards]

Right, Third platoon.

[Jack Murphy]

Third platoon, sorry.

[Mike Edwards]

Yes. So I Was a squad leader in third platoon. Did a couple trips to Iraq. We did. One of the more notable trips was that one to Mosul up there, which you were with us on that one. We did a bunch of raids. We, we stayed hitting. I think it was that deck of cards or whatever the bad guys that they had. And we, we had a really high success rate up there. Mosul, I remember, I can't remember the exact stats, but I think we had like a 90 something percent success rate. It was at that time, that trip, our platoon, specifically that task force at least had the highest success rate, I think, of Iraq at the time.

[Jack Murphy]

Do you have any recollection of like, how many raids we did on that deployment?

[Mike Edwards]

Because I, I probably a thousand or more. I mean, we were doing two to three a day. Yeah, every single day, pretty much.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

I mean, I remember we had two platoons there. So we had a platoon that would go in daytime hits because it was that busy that we were cranking targets during the day, which is not normal for us, and, and then cranking targets at night.

[Jack Murphy]

Well, then we went to 24 hours on and 24 off.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh, I just a ball crusher. Yeah, dude. And dudes were coming back, just getting tanked with IVs like about to pass.

[Jack Murphy]

We're all so exhausted by the end of that deployment. By then you, you told the story that, you know, on one of the previous interviews we did. But when we were getting these missions going down in the telephara lot and both of our platoons got in a nasty firefights down there every time we did that. And you guys were in a pretty substantial firefight down there too.

[Mike Edwards]

Yep, we, we went to Tal Afar to hit three different targets. At the time, the regular army had this whole city cordoned off. And they weren't really going in there because if they were going in, dudes were getting sniped out of the, the, the tankers hatches. The tank unit down there. Yeah, yeah, it was tanks. And they were getting like, they have to pop up out of the tanks so they can see where they're going as they're driving along, you know, because that thing is so, so big. And the dudes that were popped up, the tc were getting smoked by snipers, so they kind of cordoned it off. We were supposed to go in there, smack some targets and loosen it up. So we went in, hit this one target. I ended up like killing. I think our snipers shot like two dudes that tried to flee. Not a big deal. Went to the Second target. We never even made it to the third target because we went to the second target. It was kind of a narrow street. I remember I was like, we rotated who was like the lead assault squad leader too. And I was kind of pissed because it wasn't my day to be the lead assault squad leader. So I was across the way doing cross coverage. And we had two other squads on the other side and we get ready to breach. And then a Kiowa, like a regular army Kiowa flew over top and it kind of woke everybody up. And I remember our platoon leader specifically briefed them, don't fly any birds over top. We want to keep this super quiet. So that bird flies over top. The bad guys start waking up. We hear like comms are saying like, hey, there's moving on the roof and stuff like that. Well, our dude is getting ready to donk the door with like the little battering ramp type deal. And as he's getting ready to rare back, the door opens up and this dude's like staring him in his face and he goes, compromise, right? So the bad guy slams the door and takes off. Our dude boots the door and goes right in. That dude dropped a frag. Like he shut the door, dropped a frag and ran. So soon as that first assault squad went in, all those dudes took a point blank grenade blast, you know, like all into their legs, you know. And you know, like I like to tell people that don't know because you know, you see the movies, like Commando and stuff like that, dudes are like taking machine gun rounds to the chest and like they just suck that up and keep going. But grenade blasts like turn them into a pink mist. It's just completely, completely opposite. Like bullet, like rifle rounds don't mess around. Like it causes serious damage. If it hits a bone, you're probably gonna lose that limb. But grenades, I'm not really too scared of grenades. It's just kind of like take it in the backside and you're just.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, they're so random, sporadic. And how they like how they like damage people.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, they are. I mean they really are.

[Jack Murphy]

These are also like ancient Russian hand grenades that are not probably of the best quality. Quality.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And you know, I wouldn't want to take a M67.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Point blank. You know, our frags.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

But the Russian and Chinese ones, I'm not too scared about them. You're right now if they're right on top of you, you're probably going to take like, like Captain lose, end up having to lose a Leg. But I've been around countless grenade blasts from, like, from me to him, and it's just kind of like. It's like a beasting act, whatever, you know what I mean? Barely goes under the skin, but these dudes were pretty much point blank on it. They were all within, like, a couple feet of it. So it really kind of messed them up pretty good. The second squad that was getting ready to go kind of hesitated for a second. Like, I think, like, what is going on? And then I just took in my squad and blew past them, went right into the house because I, you know, I was already chomping at that bit because I love being the first guy in. Anyway, so I roll in there, and it was. It was sketchy, man. We didn't know where this was coming from. We didn't know if we were going to take fire right off in there. We go in there was like two or three or like three or four rooms right away. Like a little court, like a corridor with like, a couple rooms. And then it opened up into a bigger courtyard and went in. Cleared the first room on the left, cleared the first room on the right. And there's literally nobody in there. The first room on the left was one of our guys who was in there kind of like laying up against the wall. Blood was streaming out of his arm. And I was like, hey, dude, you good? And he's like, yeah, man, I'm good. I'm like, all right. So we kept going because, like, my focus wasn't to treat him, it was to keep finding the bad guys, right? Went into the next room, saw another ranger in there kind of dragging himself back in. He was wounded in his legs, and we told him, like, hey, dude, do sulfate and start patching yourself up. Medics will be in here shortly. Kept going, went into the. The next room, and I'm, like, stacked up on the door, getting ready to go in, and. And then I heard, like, the sound of, like, just like in the movie, like, clink, clink, like a grenade rolling on the ground. And I, like, see this thing roll between, like, from me to your feet, from me. I'm looking at this thing. It was kind of like I had all the time in the world. I'm looking at it. I'm like, I'm about to be an ugly. So this thing's about to blow up right in my face. But I just booted it, kicked it out of the way, and then turned and dove. And we had some ranger casualties, literally about from, like, right over here, like five feet. Away. So I turned and dove towards them. Caught some grenade shouting on the back, but it was pretty minor. Long story short, went on to continue to clear that place. One of my privates took a shot in the shoulder, almost took his arm off. Got shot in the knee with, I think it was whatever. The seven I came with the 762, the machine gun. RPK. RPK? Yeah. Got shot by that. I engaged the guys. There was two dudes over there with a machine gun. I engaged them. Me and some other guys did. Took those guys out. One of my team leaders ended up treating that guy, which I didn't even realize I was kind of in the lead. Received some fire turn, return fire suppressed. That went to go ahead and clear this next room that we were getting ready to go in. And we were moving, you know, meticulously around. So even though I engaged that threat, I continued focus over here May not have been the right thing to do at the time, but that's just what we did. Went in that room, cleared it. Nobody was in there. Come out and I'm like, where the heck is my squad? Like. Like, it was like five man assault teams is what we were running back then. So I didn't have a lot of dudes, but I was like, man, I'm missing some dudes. Well, one was walking down a stairwell. Another one's treating one of the other guys that got shot. And then I had like another two dudes with me. So I'm like, oh, man, one of my dudes is messed up. So then we kind of regrouped. We took a bunch more frags, actually, at that point in time, I went back out and grenades would just. Just started raining down from the roof. Like, dudes were on the roof just chucking them. And the grenades kept going off and going off. I took grenade shrapnel in the hand then. Or in this wrist. Several other dudes got wounded. So then at that point in time, I pulled back and went outside to try to see what was going on. Like, our platoon leader and PL were not even on comms. They were completely pinned down at the time. So I ended up kind of taking charge of that whole situation. I was like, what do our vehicles look like outside? Security was just jacked up. So I went out, reorganized security outside, started bringing our medevac vehicles up because I'm like, I know we got casualties. This dude's jacked up. There's probably even more that I don't know about. Brought the medevac vehicles up and then started Just consolidating casualties the best possible and trying to, like, coordinate this firefight. Meanwhile, our JTACs were calling in airstrikes and doing. Trying to do little bird gun runs. I don't think they could actually, at the time, while we were on target, it was just the bad guys were so close in proximity to us. That cast was just not usable. Yeah. So once we pulled off, they pretty much leveled that entire city block, I think. Killed like 200 dudes or something.

[Jack Murphy]

With an AC130.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, AC130, A10s. Probably some F16s with some 2,000 pounders blowing them up.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

I was telling you before the show, your direct leadership wanted to put you in for a DSC for that. That whole action.

[Mike Edwards]

That's crazy.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah. And, you know, it kind of my understanding was it didn't go through because above our platoon level, it was.

[Unknown Announcer]

They.

[Jack Murphy]

They felt that it wouldn't look good if, you know, an NCO got a DSC and not an officer.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. That's the way it is, officers.

[Dave Park]

It's. That's how it works. Oh, we need to.

[Mike Edwards]

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[Mike Edwards]

Appreciate it.

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[Jack Murphy]

to us about, you know, I know we're retreading some previous ground here, but I mean, talk to us about, you know, when you decide to go to rrc. Like, how did that come about? Like, what, when, when did the ID even come to your head? What did you know about them?

[Mike Edwards]

So, you know, I'd seen the guys around. I saw dudes with like hair like literally as long as this, big long beards over there. And I'm like, just super fit dudes. I mean, like, you know, rangers are fit dudes compared to even other soft units, they're typically pretty fit guys. But it was just a whole nother level of fitness, man. And like more mature guys, you know, older guys. I'm like, who are these guys? I'm like, are these dudes CIA? You know, I mean, like when I was in ranger time, like, these CIA dudes, like walking around here, I had no clue. I went to PLDC as an E5 and met a guy named Kirk Conklin who was, at the time he was in the company, was RD at the time, and went to PLDC with him. And we, we talked about it. I was like, oh, you're over there. Like, what do they do? And like, he couldn't tell me a whole lot because they were like super secretive. But it was enough that it kind of intrigued me, so I was like, I kind of want to do that. I was already kind of getting tired of Groundhog Day in Ranger battalion.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

You know, because you get a new private and you kind of got to start back at the basics all over again. Yeah, you got good gear and you got great training opportunities, but you're always having to kind of back it down a little bit and then ramp it back up for the most part. And then. So I was kind of tired of that, wanted something new. I was gonna Go to Delta Force selection or.

[Dave Park]

Or.

[Mike Edwards]

And now I heard about rd, and so I was considering that. Got wounded on that trip in Telephar, had to get some surgeries and stuff, and then did another deployment. And then after that, I went to be a RIP instructor. I was RIP cadre. Did that for a while. Enjoyed that. Well, then, you know, the SAR major came to me and was like, hey, we need somebody for this Omega program. Do you want to go do this Omega? I was like, I don't even know what that is. Sounds good. And he was like, yeah, you get to grow your beard out and grow your hair out and stuff and deploy overseas.

[Dave Park]

Selling point.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

I'm like, sounds good. You know, like, because, you know, as a line battalion Ranger, you're not doing that. You see, the snipers get to do it, the battalion recce guys get to do it, But I didn't, you know, didn't know, like, occasional guys. So I. I get to go do that and wear civilian clothes overseas. And I thought that was kind of cool. So I deployed and did that.

[Unknown Announcer]

And when.

[Mike Edwards]

When I went over the first time, I was with my friend Rodney Brown and some of the Seal Team 6 dudes that he was with there and in Gecko. But the. The second time, I did a second trip. And, you know, I know we'll talk probably more about the other. Other stuff later, but I did a second trip because you're talking about, why did I go to rrd. So the second Omega trip that I did was in 2008, and I was at Oregon E. And I. And the. The guys I swapped out with there was RRC Team 3 at the time, RD Team 3. And I was like, man, this is what you guys do. Like, you guys, like, this is what you guys do. And they're like, ah, this job's kind of lame. You know what I mean? Like, we're going on to bigger and better things. And I was like, this is lame. This is like the coolest deployment I've ever done.

[Unknown Announcer]

And.

[Mike Edwards]

And so you guys, this is kind of like, to them, it was kind of lame because it was kind of dead at the time. And they were like, yeah, we're doing some other stuff. And so they were like, come to selection. And I was like, okay. So then I was like, that's what I want to go do. So then I just started training up, really running at high altitude up there, trying to get back in good shape again. I mean, I was in shape, but I like, you need to be in really good shape for that. Selection. And then after that, went back as a rip cadre and then put in my pocket, went to selection, you know, so that's how it started. I bumped into them overseas doing the Omega stuff.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. And we've talked about selection before with you, but it's, It's.

[Unknown Announcer]

It's.

[Dave Park]

It's a unique selection. Like, it really, really focused on the. The demands of the job.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, there's. You have to be physically fit to. To pass it. It's similar to, you know, like, Delta for force selection. It's. It's really based off of that. A lot of walking in the mountains, navigating long distances with a rucksack on. So you're going to walk, you know, anywhere from, I'd say, 15 to 18, 20 miles a day in the mountains, and then you're just getting assessed the entire time. There's dudes out there paying attention to what you're doing. I don't want to go into too many details because I know they like to try to keep that stuff under wraps. But I think what's the most unique about it is, is the OTC pipeline. I think they call it RTC now, the Reconnaissance training Course. But that course, you know, like a lot of the other guys, like Delta Force and stuff like that, their program's about six months long. To go through RRCS is like 11 or 12 months long. It's almost a full year. And you walk some distance. Like we walk 40 miles with a tactical recce rock. Like, I've walked 40 miles with a rock weighing over a hundred pounds before in mountainous terrain, just to get to the target. Like, that was just to get to the mission.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

And then the mission goes for, like, several days and then you walk out. Right, so.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

We did freefall infiltrations. We were big on freefall stuff. That's how I kind of got into the freefall realm. But, yeah, they didn't. There was no holds bark, man. A lot of the training that we did, I'm like, dude, if somebody knew that they left us out here flapping like this, like, somebody probably be in trouble. Because, I mean, no joke, like, nobody. It's like they didn't care. We're out in the middle of the desert, 20 miles from anything with our own supplies and nobody to talk to, you know, at times, yeah, I can't believe this is allowed in the military. It was good stuff.

[Dave Park]

And I mean, for people who have not, you know, rucked, you know, maybe you go on hikes. I guess rucking is a new hill health Fad now though. Yeah, rucking. But. But anyway, for people who haven't rucked when Mike says that like they were rucking miles over mountainous terrain, 1 mile, 2 miles over a mountain is not like rucking a mile or two miles because it may be a mile as the crow flies.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh yeah, right. Four or five miles.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

This isn't some ultra light either.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

They got you carrying radios, batteries, water.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I mean, no joke on one of them. We were out near Arizona. We walked 40 miles on infill on that one. And I remember the cadre were like, why are you guys going so slow? I feel like we're going really fast, you know what I mean? So they're like, hey, meet us at this road intersection. One of the few times that during a movement like that they actually interacted with us. So they told us, hey, meet us at this road intersection. So we meet them at that road intersection. They pull up and they're like, lay your rucksacks out and they're like, you know, you don't need all that crap. Get rid of that, get rid of this. So they, they slimmed our loads down from. I think I was the RTO on that one. And I met, I weighed my ruck. It was like 120something pounds. And after that it was down to about a hundred pounds. And some of the guys had a little bit lighter rucks, probably down to 90 or 80 something pounds. But I mean, we just had too much stuff because we didn't want to fail the mission. So we had instead of two extra, extra cable for the cable that we had the primary, we had like two extra cables of this, two extra batteries for every battery. And we were just carrying way too much stuff. So we. But we learned, I mean, that's what part of it was about, like learning what your limits were and what you carry and then also learning other ways to come up with solutions to these problems. Like, for example, water. We've got these little purification little deals that we carry. So we didn't have to carry as much water because water's super heavy. It's the heaviest thing we carry. That and food and batteries. But then we got these little straws that we could literally, you know, decontaminate any type of water. And that saved us so we could carry less water weight and then always just refill if we could just find a water source. That was the key.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

And decontaminate doesn't necessarily make water taste good.

[Mike Edwards]

No, it could still be nasty looking too, right? Yeah. Some of those filters later on, got a lot better where it would make it clear too. Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

Back in the day, they tasted like charcoal.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah, I missed it a little bit. Less is like popping off in the chat. We love you less. But he mentioned something about when you were at a bending, having a problem with the woman across from 375, something about a dip can. Did I get that right, Les? I, I can't get back to that part of the chat.

[Mike Edwards]

I used to dip, so it probably had something to do with me dipping. I used to dip Copenhagen back in the day.

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Day.

[Mike Edwards]

And a lot of people don't think that's the, the cleanest, you know, habit to have. So I'm sure somebody probably got pissed off me for a spitter or something. What do you say?

[Dave Park]

I, I, I don't know. Maybe, maybe he'll pop back up with it. Yeah, I just wanted to, I saw that earlier in the chat.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

But

[Dave Park]

what, what was life like for you? Going from. So you had seen three. This is your third aspect of the military. Military, you've been mechanized infantry, conventional infantry, and then you had been at Ranger Battalion, and now you were at rrd. Did it just feel like life kept getting better or did it open your eyes, like different aspects of the military that, you know, that you didn't know were possible?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I mean, it did open my eyes because, you know, like, in the regular army, you're only read on to, like, this very little bit. You get the Ranger battalion, you're read on to like, like, you know what Delta Force dudes look like. And like, you work with them regularly, Seal Team 6, all that kind of stuff. RRC guys. But then when you get to RRC, like, you, you've already known what all those guys are about, but now you know the background behind how they do what they do because you're helping do what they do. Like, you're facilitating it with the reconnaissance piece. And then you're right onto so many different other programs because there's all these different skills that we have to have to do, do our job that, no, most people don't know about. And that stuff that, you know, shouldn't probably be talked about, but just a lot of the tradecraft and stuff that we learn. And I didn't know, I'm like, dang, I get to do this. It was the greatest thing in the world, like going through otc. It was the best time ever. Physically demanding and always under the gun. You know what I mean? You never know if you're going to get fired at Any point in time or if you're not going to pull the standard because the standards are super high and you're competing against the other guys that are there with you too. But the, the training was just amazing. I mean it was some of the coolest stuff. I got to learn how to pick locks and pick out of handcuffs and like at the, at one point in time I could pick out of any set of handcuffs in like a matter of seconds, you know what I mean? Like, you know, 10, 15 seconds. We got to do a lot of cool stuff like that. Learn how to, you know, resist interrogations and all that kind of stuff. The shooting, you know, long range shooting, pistol shooting. I really got into the pistol shooting there too because we did a lot of the low vis concealed carry stuff. So I ends up being a pistol. So we did a lot of pistol shooting courses and, and that became a passion that I really liked was pistol shooting. It's something you got to really work out a lot to get good at.

[Jack Murphy]

Do you want to tell people maybe for the young Rangers out there who still to this day don't know what RRC is, do you want to make the little recruitment pitch and tell people what RRC is, what those guys do?

[Dave Park]

Or it's not just Rangers anymore, it's everybody now.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah, it's open, right?

[Dave Park]

Yeah, used to be just Rangers but

[Mike Edwards]

it, Well I, I think it's like our, one of our old NCIC said, he said it's like the best kept secret in the army and really I think it is. The funding is, when I was there was so immense because you've got, we had like six, six man teams at the most and that was if the teams were full. So you're talking like 36 operators. And we had just the best funding in the world. Anything like any training that we wanted to do, we could do. I mean you, you name it. You think outside the box you look at on the online to the most craziest course you could be taught by some wazoo civilian over here about this, whatever it is, if you could justify it, which everything really is justifiable for recce, you know what I mean? Especially when the clandestine stuff, you submit it and we could do it. I mean literally I never, we never got turned down for anything. It was if, if it didn't happen, it was because the timing just didn't line up right. So there's that aspect to it. But we got to work with a lot of really good people. I mean some of the best guys I've ever Met in the military, some of the smartest guys. I mean, you got really smart dudes in all of soft, but that place had some really smart guys that still this day, some of the most impressive guys I've ever worked with. Excuse me. The physical fitness aspect of it, you've got to be super fit, and we had some ridiculously fit guys there, too. But I think it was a great place to work. I mean, I don't know if it's changed since I left, but I wouldn't change it for the world. I mean, I got to interact with all the different agencies, with all the other, like, tier one units that were out there, and it was. It was definitely gratifying, for sure.

[Dave Park]

Did you see a lot of an answer to this, to your comfort level? Obviously, but obviously, back in the 90s, RRD was, you know, like a sort of. More like a force recon sort of,

[Mike Edwards]

you know, green side recce.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah, it was a tactical recce. And then all of a sudden. I don't say all of a sudden, but.

[Mike Edwards]

But you.

[Dave Park]

You guys proved your worst so much that you brought more onto the national stage as a national asset as opposed to a regimental asset. Did you. Did you see, like, the training expanding sort of based on the mission sets and things like that?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, it definitely did. So we did. All the teams were trained in tactical recce, the greenside recce, like you were saying, and we were really good at that. That was our bread and butter. But then we also trained in, like, the. The afops to the. The. The CTR type stuff, blending in, you know, all the different aspects of tradecraft that you can do there, too. And that's where a lot of that other training came along. Learning how to hack into computers, stuff like that. Like, I suck at technology to this day, but when I would go through those courses, I was pretty good at the stuff for a little while. And then if we used it, a lot of stuff, we didn't use that often, but it did come in handy. Like, we would have to learn how to encrypt stuff because I may have to travel to a certain location with a civilian computer and have to hide stuff on there. And, like, obviously, I want somebody to be able to look at it real quick and not be able to find what I have.

[Adam White]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

So they taught us to do that, but it came in handy really. Really. When we were training the aru, the Afghan Reconnaissance Unit that we created in Afghanistan, we taught them a lot of tech trade craft. We taught them a lot of, like, physical trade Craft too, because those dudes were our proxies, you know, in Afghanistan, they lived in the world. These dudes were running like a taxi service or cell phone shop or whatever, doing what we, we needed them to do, collecting on how we needed them to collect, collect. But they, but, but they were out there flapping. They weren't attached to a military base. They were all by themselves with no backup. Like if they were on a mission, you know, if it got really bad, we could possibly leverage some assets to come get them. But most of the time those dudes are just going to be just stuck.

[Jack Murphy]

Like Chuck, I remember you telling me that like it was very rare that you would have like physical face to face contact with them because they were

[Mike Edwards]

just so deep covered. Yeah, it was. And it was frowned upon a lot. Although I did it more than a lot of people did. And I, I got some heat for that. Where I was at up in Condu's, it was pretty conducive for me to drive outside the base and go low vis and link up with these guys. And I can't remember, but for some reason we were collecting a lot of data off the cameras. And there's no way to get that except for, to physically get the SD card because this was old school, but.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Jack Murphy]

And the IT networks in, in Afghanistan, it's not 5G, right?

[Main Event Jay Uso]

No.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

No. Yeah. Back then it was not even close to anything. So we would, what I would do is we and these guys were trained just like trade craft that you would, you learn at the agency. You know what I mean? Like similar. But we had to kind of wider it down to be within the regs to teach that stuff to them. But I would have my dudes, you know, they were accurate with time too. So I would say, hey, I need you to drive by this location at this exact time, plus or minus one minute. And I want you to put your SD card wrapped up in a napkin in a water bottle because there's trash, water bottles everywhere. Chuck it on the ground. And then I would be driving so that my timing was just so that as this dude went down this street, I was literally about a couple hundred meters behind him, or maybe just barely could see him going away. So I see him go, I can see him do the act, the operational act, and then I can come by, pick up the trash so we never face to face contact. But now I have his SD card and I can go back, download the video, video footage off of it. For a target that we were, we were doing.

[Dave Park]

So it's funny. You know, it's funny that you mentioned, like, they were good with time because I think for people who didn't have to deal with that aspect of, you know, Afghans or Iraqis or whatever, that when you are dealing with like an inshallah, you know, culture, you know, that

[Jack Murphy]

maybe today, maybe tomorrow, if God will

[Dave Park]

next week, God wills it. Like, time isn't always.

[Mike Edwards]

Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter for the most part.

[Dave Park]

And. And so to find, you know, people in those cultures that. That can kind of stick to those operational requirements, it's not easy to do.

[Mike Edwards]

No, it's not. It's just not part of their culture. So we had to really assess for that and we really harped on it. We put them through a selection and an OTC pipeline too. And we harped on that being timely and being reliable and being. Being predictable and stuff like that. But you're right. I mean, we lost a lot of guys because they just didn't you pull

[Jack Murphy]

the candidates out of the KKA or the Kandak Commandos?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, that's where most of them came from. They were either, yeah, the KK or the commandos. And so they were already elite trained dudes that were trained by Special Forces how to shoot. Yeah.

[Adam White]

Or.

[Mike Edwards]

Or they were trained like the KK, trained by Rangers and Seal Team 6 dudes and Delta Force guys. But then, yeah, we would select from those dudes. And then that was the cream of the crust drop. We would put them through a whole nother selection of otc.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

Another interesting thing about the whole ARU program is that it's not something that most people associate with Rangers. Like, your dad said, Rangers are the brawn.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

They're not the guys. This isn't a Ranger thing. And I. I just curious if you had any sort of insight into, like, how that program came about. Like, whose brainchild was that, where the requirement came from. It's very interesting. I mean, obviously you guys did it very well, but. Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Thinking about that.

[Dave Park]

I know.

[Mike Edwards]

So there were some dudes senior to me in the company that were involved in the setting up and creating of that stuff. So I don't know exactly where the who the brainchild was. It might have come from within the unit.

[Jack Murphy]

Interesting.

[Mike Edwards]

I'm sure there was probably some direction from JSOC as well. But, yeah, we were good at it. I mean, it's. It's not rocket science. You know what I mean? We just had to teach. You just have to be a good teacher. I mean, most guys in, you know, a leadership position Any NCO in the military should be a good teacher, you know?

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And, and that's all it is. You're. We were teaching them to do what we do, you know, that's all we did. We taught them to do what we did because in that realm we couldn't actually do that as well because you just stick out like that's that country. It's like, it's like if you take, you know, your average, never been in the military, New Yorker, and drop them in southeast Alabama, where I live, they're gonna stick out like a sore thumb.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

I mean, the way they talk, the way they look, the way they walk, and it's even more of a stark contrast in Afghanistan. You take a six foot two white American dude and drop them off. Now the, the white skin color is not the biggest thing because there's a lot of light skinned people.

[Adam White]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

But like the way we walk, the way we carry ourselves, the way we talk.

[Dave Park]

Well, and also when you get into like cover for status, cover for action type things, like, they, because of the culture and because of how they know the culture, like there are things that they can come up with that Americans would never even think of. Like, you know, in the sense of a lot of these villages or a lot of these places they were surveilling were very small. Everybody knows everybody else. They know you don't belong to the tribe there.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

And so if they get like pulled over and it's like, what are you guys doing here? And they say, oh, my sister, you know, my sister was supposed to get married and she ran away and we're looking for her.

[Mike Edwards]

They can play that off.

[Dave Park]

They can play that off. And they know that. And that's a perfectly valid excuse for them to be like trolling these neighborhoods.

[Mike Edwards]

Like, exactly right.

[Dave Park]

Where's, where's this wayward sister? We have to beat her, Kidnap and take her back.

[Mike Edwards]

To take her back. So we can beat her with gains.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. And make her marry this guy. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

No, you're exactly right. And that's why we had to use those guys as our proxies. We could do certain things, but for the most part we used them and we just trained them and used them, you know, and we would sometimes tag along with them on certain things. We'd go out and we would be out like a lot of times. We would also task them with training missions because, you know, the missions weren't always as busy for them as we would necessarily want it to be sometimes. So to keep them from being lazy because you know, a lot of them just happen to just kind of default into doing whatever they're doing and they just kind of forget about the military, especially when they're living out there like that. So we would bring them in and task them with training targets.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And I would have them recce something and I'd be out in town doing counter surveillance on them just to see if they're actually trying to be sneaky or if they're just like, hey, what's up? Right. Standing on the street, taking a picture, thinking they can get away with it, you know.

[Dave Park]

Now how tough was it for you guys providing bona fides for these guys when it was their intel that might be launching a raid, putting American lives at risk, you know, like, like validating their intel to the, the battle space commander or you know, the whomever.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, typically their intel was just confirmation.

[Dave Park]

Okay.

[Mike Edwards]

So there was already something else like singing or whatever that we would have. But then we, we may just need to develop this target a little bit more. So our guys that intel, a lot of times just confirmation, sometimes they would just build pattern of life. So we knew that there was a dude in, around this area, but then they would just refine the pattern of

[Jack Murphy]

life or do it doing the close in recce that you wouldn't send an American to do, I take it?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, exactly. Like getting facial recognition photos of this dude at this house, you know, I mean, so we have this blurry, crappy picture that you know is on your little cards that you got and we're like, is that really him? And then we send the dudes out to mingle around. They get a no joke picture. Now we can open update that picture and be like, yeah, that was him. But here's a better picture. Yeah. You know, so stuff like that, just whatever the task force needed, that's what we tried to provide.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. And how was it? Because you know, one of the things that was always challenging in those countries was like teaching people how to read maps. Teach them how to look at, look at imagery.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

And understand it from a top down perspective because they just don't have that perspective. How, how challenging was that for you guys?

[Mike Edwards]

That, that definitely was challenging at times. But you know, our guys, we, we, we just, it was part of the training pipeline and they just picked it up after a while and a lot of these guys just got better as time went. So they would graduate at a certain standard, which would be good enough. But a lot of them would speak a little bit of English. But then after like years of that program running. Some of these guys were sending me PowerPoint. I mean, they could do PowerPoint by the end of their OTC, but after like a couple years, these dudes are sending me PowerPoint in English. So, I mean, it was impressive. I mean, some of the guys really wanted to do good.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And they tried to impress us. Impress us. And it was impressive. They were. Yeah. Doing that stuff in English. They were encrypting stuff and send it to us encrypted. Because everything that we did with them was not associated with the military. Yeah. So, I mean, even the computers that we communicated with them on were not associates of the military. So we. We didn't want it to anyway, tie these guys to us if for some reason they got busted, you know?

[Dave Park]

Yeah. How was that for you and for the other guys in rc? Because you, you obviously, you have this job. You're, in a way, action heroes. Right. Like, you've been through all this training, you're out there to be on the pointy edge, and now you're working through proxies. Was it frustrating? Was it gratifying?

[Mike Edwards]

It was, I'd say, a little bit of both. Some guys hated it. I mean, there were guys that hated it, but I think you just have to look at what you're doing and just, you know, find the good part of it. I actually thought I was gonna hate it, but I really enjoyed it. Yeah, I really did enjoy it because, I mean, we still got to do cool stuff, man. We still got to go. It was like the best of both. Both worlds. When I was up in Condu's, the last time, we had a Delta Force troop there hitting targets every night, and a Ranger platoon there hitting target targets every night. So during the daytime, I was going out low viz, linking up with my dudes, doing dead drops and stuff like that, or maybe going and picking them up, bringing them back, debriefing them or whatever. Or maybe I would be going out with some dudes, wrecking routes during the daytime. Like, we would recce some of our own routes in and off of the plateau there. Excuse me. But then at night, I was going out kicking indoors with the rangers or the Delta Force dudes every single night. So I got the best of both worlds. I thought it was great, man. Yeah, I get to do a little bit of this cool stuff that's low viz, you know, clandestine stuff. And then at night, I'm going out doing what Rangers and Delta Force dudes do, you know, kicking indoors and killing bad guys just as much as they Were, you know.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

So I enjoy it. But it was so that dynamic was unique, not just for me, but I Coming from 3rd Ranger Battalion, I had rapport with rangers and with Delta Force dudes. There were dudes that had come from the big army to RRC that didn't know these dudes. So they wouldn't get, they didn't get to go out on missions with them.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

So they were just stuck doing the low viz stuff when they did it. And depending on where they were at, it may have been less eventful even. And so a lot of those guys, I think that's why they didn't like it because they didn't get the best of both worlds. Whereas like me, I knew dudes in the battalions, I knew dudes at Delta Force because I've been working with them my whole career. So I'd just be like, hey, you guys need anybody extra? Yeah, sure. We need an extra sniper, we need an extra battlefield interrogator. And so I'd go out and do that. A lot of bit tq is what I did. I thought that was where I was most valuable. They got all the shooters they need. They don't need another shooter.

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[Mike Edwards]

But they're squad leaders interrogating dudes. Where here I'm a master sergeant, you know, I've got more experience doing it leaves him to doing his squad leader stuff. So I did a lot of that stuff.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

That's cool. I mean it's also like the total integration of the intelligence piece into the ops.

[Mike Edwards]

It really is. Yeah.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And that's kind of the way I looked at it. And, and I had my interpreter teaching me Dari. So by I did like I think three trips to Condu's and by like the third trip to Condu's I was able to do battlefield interrogation without an interpreter.

[Adam White]

Wow.

[Dave Park]

Wow.

[Mike Edwards]

In dari. Yeah. I mean now it was mission specific stuff. Like I knew pretty much anything that had to do with bombs, explosives, guns, who this guy is, where are the mosques, where are the schools, you know, how many people are here, north, south, east, west, like what kind of vegetables, you know, like I knew I had a good grasp of the language. By no means fluent, but target related I could do. And I could also talk my way through checkpoints and stuff like that too. I learned that much. So I like you said you went and became did language stuff. Yeah, I never was interested in it until I got to RRC and I was like, this is beneficial.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Like if I, I can prove to the chain of command That I can speak good enough to do this, maybe they'll let me go do more.

[Dave Park]

Right, right.

[Mike Edwards]

Because there were things that we wanted to do as Americans out that I felt confident doing, but the chain of command didn't see it that way.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

So, you know, being able to speak the language and stuff like that adds another layer to where they would probably accept it.

[Dave Park]

And it goes beyond the piece of like I speak 556 and 762, you know, like it, it, it, it. Yeah, it opens up a whole new world of interaction with the local populace.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

You know, especially when, when the raids, you know, the intelligence isn't always accurate. Like you need to find out what's going on target. Or like you said, like all the operations that you guys do, a lot of those ops come from resets. You know, you do your op.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

Your battlefield interrogators, you know, and your exploitation guys get information and it's like, okay, let's go hit this target now. So these guys don't go to ground when they find out they rolled up this guy.

[Mike Edwards]

Yep. Yeah, a lot of, a lot of our missions were like that. I mean, not so much like rc, we were always playing a piece in that, but in the line Ranger times, dude, it was like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like you said, probably a thousand missions on that one deployment, like three months because we're back to, back to back. We, they could never react because we were slamming them.

[Dave Park]

Right. And a lot of those, A lot of those raids are sort of self propagating where one raid leads to another one based on the intel you got off that initial raid.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

We would hit targets in Iraq back in the day and literally the PL would be with this little laptop like this on the back of the striker, planning out the grids for the next target. Because we took intel from that target to go hit the very next target.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Literally planted them on the fly. Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

And well, I mean that led to the whole debate, debate. Do operations drive intelligence or does intelligence drive operations? But what you're talking about with the ARU program, that's definitely intelligence driving operations.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, it was a good program. You know, one of the things, you know, we, we talked about it beforehand and that's where I met. Well, I met Adam from having done the podcast. He reached out to me before and then he, he and his good buddy Brian Fitzgibbons came in with me to Project Exodus Relief, which is a non profit that I created myself. Rodney Brown, one of my SEAL buddies that I was tied in with a lot of us got asked to, like, try to help people with Afghanistan. And I was like, I'll help wherever I can. But then come to find out there was. You know, a lot of these dudes were reaching out to me. Like, people are giving these guys my number. And actually, your page podcast set all this stuff up.

[Jack Murphy]

There was a team house bump.

[Mike Edwards]

It did. It really did. Like, the thing, like, what I do now all really came from the team house, because I did the team house. A dude from Alabama saw me on the team house, and he reached out to me because I gave my email up that time, and he was like, hey, brother, I know you don't know me from Jack, but he's like, I. I was in the army, did this, that, and the other. He's like, I worked with some of the ARU guys. He worked with him as a contractor when he was working as a civilian. After he got out, he was like, not Blackwater, but one of those other contract companies. And he's like, these dudes are asking me to help him in Afghanistan, and I. I have no clue what to do. So he reached out to me. That's how I got involved. Brought this ad hoc group of guys that we were just communicating with on signal chats, you know, like, talking about, like, sharing intel, like, where the Taliban are looking for these guys and stuff like that. And then, um, all of a sudden, I'm like, dude, we need these groups talking together. This. This is. We're military dudes. This needs to be a military cohesive unit. So I started reaching out to Task Force Pineapple with Scott Mann. Super good dude. Yeah, I love Scott. Reached out to some of his guys. I didn't know him at first, but I was reaching out into his organization, trying to, like, hey, who's the leader? Let's sync this thing up. Reaching out to Task Force Argo Flanders Fields is another group, Task Force Freedom Birds. Like, there's tons of other groups out there. And I was reaching out to him. I was like, let's put this together. And nobody seemed to want to, like, really work together at first. So then I just brought all these guys together that I had. We called it Project Exodus Relief. And then, like I said, I met Adam. Adam was on the podcast, reached out to me. He ended up coming on board with us helping out. He brought on his best buddy, Brian Fitz Givens, who's an amazing dude. I work with him now with USPA Nationwide Security. And, you know, we can get into that stuff later. But that's. You Know, it all came about trying to advocate for these guys, these Afghan special ops guys that we train, some of the best out of the Afghans, the most loyal guys out there. And nobody was advocating for them, nobody cared about them. These guys were just left flapping.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

Could you give us a little update on where that project is now? You know, after the Afghan, the evacuation, as it were, and all these guys that got left behind. And, And I mean, we've. We've had Scott Mann on the show

[Mike Edwards]

to talk about it.

[Jack Murphy]

I'd be interested to hear your perspective

[Dave Park]

of, like, where that nick with the digital dunk.

[Jack Murphy]

And I'd be interested to hear, like, your perspective of, like, where that effort is at today.

[Mike Edwards]

It's really stagnated.

[Jack Murphy]

We, we.

[Mike Edwards]

You know, I've talked to politicians all over the place. I've spoke at the AI World Forum on the Afghan panel, myself and Mike Waltz, the Republicans politician from Florida, me and him and what's his name, He's a Marine. I think y' all might have had him on here too. But anyway, we spoke on that panel, and there's a lot of people that seem to be concerned about it, but nothing ever happens, right? You know, a lot of these politics, politicians were like, hey, yeah, yeah, man, we got your back. You know, you know, Democrat and Republican would act like they wanted to help, but nothing ever really happened. We have guys that, you know, legitimately legit creds have been verified by the Ranger Regiment, worked for the program that we've literally taken their documents, handed it to the House of Representatives. I'm like, can you help us get this guy's SIV approved? Never happens, man. It just literally never happens. So where we're at with Project Exodus is we've been. We raised some money through some of the public speaking events that I've gone to and some other things that we've run and we've been. We've successfully through. Through my. One of my guys, Dean, who's running our ground operations program. Super great dude, former Ranger, former 175 Dude, Delta Force guy, he runs our ground operations stuff and he's been running a food network where we've been feeding 2000 ARU dudes in their families. Like, so there's not that many ARU dudes, but there's probably, I don't know, probably still alive. 100 AR, you guys maybe less out there, but a lot of these guys are the. Basically the Secret Service of Afghanistan. That Dean, my guy Dean trained his guys and the. We've been feeding them and their families for the last two and a half years. I guess about two years now. But we just pretty much ran out of money this month. So.

[Dave Park]

Wait, is there a, is there some place people can go to donate money for that?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, if, if they want to go to blog pro exodusrelief.com they can go there and check out our website. There's also links to donate at the website too. So if people want to do that, it's, it's, it's a good cause, man. Like right now I still advocate for these guys. I've been talking to lawyers. There have been some guys who've trickled their way into the United States. Not through our help. Like we've tried to advocate for them but they, we didn't specifically get them here and, but I've written letters of recommendation for some of these guys and it's come back to me through like I've got a lawyer that reached out to me that's helping advocate for one of our guys, helping him get his like siv. And so it's been good.

[Dave Park]

Have, have they have. A lot of these guys managed to get out of Afghanistan and now are in like refugee camps in other countries or they still stuck in Afghanistan.

[Mike Edwards]

Most are still stuff stuck in Afghanistan. There's, there's been a handful that have flee to Iran. There's some that have. I've had one of my guys go through Iran all the way to Iraq, then he went back and now he's back in Afghanistan. Just they can't find employment like Afghans. I didn't realize that in Iran they're looked down upon and they, they won't employ them there. So these guys were in Iran hanging out, couldn't get a, a decent job or do. I had one guy that was in with a Christian group that was trying to get him in. Sad story, but he was in with a so called Christian group that was trying to move him through into Iraq and the Turkey and stuff like that. And he was ending up like he was trafficked, man. Like people were trafficking. This Christian group is trafficking human beings. Beings and guns and narcotics. Yeah. So they're, they're. Yeah, it's kind of a lot of corruption out there, man. A lot of these groups that you think are going to be good and helpful like this guy. I was like, I don't know this group. Yeah, I don't want to have anything to do with it. I said if you, I said you're the grown man man, you, you run your household. I can't personally Help you. So I said, if you trust these people, I support you all the way, and I'll help you however I can. And the dude ended up getting all of his documents taken. He's trying to get him back. Yeah, some of these guys end up getting beat up and robbed and mugged by these people. But, yeah, Christian groups out there, like mugging people, trafficking drugs, trafficking narcotics, all on the underground, man. It's all over the place out there.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

It's groups that you think would help.

[Dave Park]

It's so sad. I mean, and, you know, like, immigration is. Is, you know, a heated topic. United States, you know, and. And people take very firm sides. But it's. But it's wild that it was the same thing in Vietnam where it was the effort of, like, the Special Forces guys and what to help the Mont Yards and the Mong and. And everybody who worked with us and, And. And now we can even help these people who, you know, who worked very hard, who. Who shed, you know, blood, sweat, and tears alongside of us.

[Mike Edwards]

It's because our government literally doesn't want it to happen. You know, I. I don't know why exactly, but I don't know if Scott Mann said the same thing, but that's our biggest hurdles that we've run into is our government. Nobody, every. They'll say they want to help, but nobody does anything, literally. Whether it's at the highest level, I don't know where it is, but nobody can make anything happen. I mean, there's all these bills. They try to push these bills up, The. The Afghan Adjustment act, stuff like that. And I don't even really follow that stuff that much anymore because it's just frustrating.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Like I said, we just have been focusing on using our funds to the best that we can. We can't move people anymore, so we've been using it to feed people. You know, the ones that are stuck hiding from the Taliban or they don't feel safe, they can get out and work or can't get a meaningful job. We've been feeding them, you know, supplemental food. We try to let them be, like, really needy before they come to us so that we use the funds in the best manner possible. We don't want to just be, like, making these people rich.

[Dave Park]

Right, right.

[Mike Edwards]

So, yeah, we feed the average family about once every three months. They'll come back to us for some. Some supplemental food.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah. If you could just go and get them to Chile, then they could get in, no problem.

[Mike Edwards]

I know.

[Adam White]

I know.

[Mike Edwards]

It's crazy. Southern borders, wide slap Open. We got terrorists, we got isis. We got Palestinians coming, coming through the southern border like crazy. But our Afghans, we actually had some Afghans that figured their way on their own to get to Brazil, came up through, and that's another interesting thing. Afghan special ops guys caught at the border are deported, never to return again.

[Jack Murphy]

Jesus.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, they are. I mean, there's been multiple guys that. It's been in the news. We've. Like, I helped advocate for some of these guys. One of them was a commando guy. I'm trying to think. I think Flanders Fields is helping that guy, and he got hung at the border. I called some border patrol guys that I knew that tried to help him out. And my border. One of my border patrol buddies told me, straight up, he's like, if I even look into this dude, it's gonna spike on the radar. And I was like, really? He's like, any Afghan special ops guy that comes through the border is immediately deported, never to return again. I'm like, but we're letting everybody else through the border. It makes no sense, man. It's been a frustrating battle, but it has been one of the most frustrating things I've ever done in my life, yet also the most rewarding.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

You know, I mean, because we're. We're helping people out, really.

[Dave Park]

Helping people out. Yeah. Yeah. I. I was really very disappointed, like, in the American population. Left.

[Drew McIntyre]

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[Dave Park]

Whatever. When, you know, when we were getting all these, you know, Afghan. These Afghans in be like, well, we don't even know who they are. And it's like, a lot of research has been done into, you know, like, the Afghans who are being brought in. Like, people are vouching for them.

[Jack Murphy]

I mean, if they were our guys, like, we have their biometrics.

[Dave Park]

Exactly.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

You know, they're.

[Mike Edwards]

They're a known entity. You know what I mean? Very well known. Like, a lot of these guys had polys and tons of background checks, essentially some type of security clearance, you know, not really, but kind of.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. And a lot of them have fought and. And died next to Americans, and I

[Mike Edwards]

still remain loyal to this day. Yeah. You know.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Sad.

[Dave Park]

It's very sad.

[Jack Murphy]

It's fucked up, is what it is.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, it really is.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. It really contributes to. And. And, you know, we've talked about this before on the show, is the moral injury that it creates in the sense of, you know, veterans who.

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[Dave Park]

Because not all veterans were very involved with Afghans or Iraqis, you know, they. You know, but others were, and there's that Moral injury. That happens, you know, that we just leave these people that we know we've kind of left them to the wolves, basically.

[Mike Edwards]

Well, there's a, an organization that like I was kind of the beginnings of helping stand that thing up too, along with another guy named Travis Peterson called the Moral Compass Federation. And that's where we kind of finally got all these groups together with Task Force Pineapple Scott, man, and those, those guys and, and started working as a group advocacy. And that group is still doing a lot of good stuff, advocating on the Hill and stuff like that. Progress is still, like I said, non existent pretty much. But there, there, yeah, that came up big time. A lot of guys there were having really big issues because when it was in the heyday, like the first six months after the collapse of Afghanistan, like I personally was working 18 hours a day. I was on my phone 18 hours a day, day texting, coordinating logistics, making phone calls on meetings, VTCs. I mean it was like running. It was like being the battalion commander of a battalion sized element. Like we had a 50 man intel cell at one point in time that dudes were pumping me intel. Like it got to the point where I had to have like dudes that just handled the intel because I couldn't handle it all. We had dudes that were just handing the ground the ground stuff. We had dudes that were just handling air operations, trying to get guys manifested. But after that all fizzled out, it got to the point where like the onset finally kicked in with like, hey, these dudes are screwed, man.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And we can't. And we're just watching them get killed by the Taliban and there's nothing we can do. So the moral injury thing became a real thing at that point in time. And it's really bothering a lot of those guys.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. And especially, you know, depending on whether it's this government for us or the next, any government, you know, after this withdrawal, how they deal with the Taliban government is just sort of salt in the wound.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh yeah, yeah. And you know there's there, there were entities from our government liaising with the Taliban this entire time. One of the things that I found out too is that the US State Department was flying 100 Taliban out on US State Department funded aircraft, yet we couldn't get our Afghans on there. Taliban dude. They were flying them out on US State Department aircraft like crazy. And this was around about like what the year? What was the fall? Was it 2020 or 2021? I got it all mixed up now. 2021. So it was like, around December 2021, January 2021, when this was happening. I think I went on Newsmax or somewhere talking about that, and it was reported all over the place, but, like, nothing ever happened. Like, why are we flying Taliban? Oh, we're. It was one of the things that they said, we're flying the Taliban out so that they'll let us fly aircraft in and out. Like, really? A hundred a week.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

To the United States.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Come on, man. What's up with that? So, and it's frustrating when you got these Afghan Special ops guys that should be able to get on those planes in, but they don't have the right credentials. They don't have an SIV completed. They can't fly. But a Taliban dude that has nothing can fly. Here come.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

It's, it's a kick to the nuts.

[Dave Park]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

So that adds that moral injury. A lot of guys just, like, just like me saw this happening, and we're like, how is this even possible? You know, it's frustrating.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

But the way I can look back on it is that we did the best that we could.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

And we're still trying to do the best that we can for these guys. And we're feeding them. You know, we're, we're there. There have been guys who, who. Their lives have been made better because of the efforts that we've all done collectively. Not just me, these guys helping out, too. The other guys, the Moral Compass Federation groups like that.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. How are, like, are a lot of those, A lot of those dudes, like, for the ARU are like, are they in hiding basically, in Afghanistan? Are they like, do the Taliban know who they are? Are they targeting them, their families?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I, I, well, to take it back, I believe it was worse than we, I believe we thought it was worse than it actually was. Was. Okay, so in the beginning, we were like, oh, man, they were killing some dudes. But they, they were beating a lot of dudes. And actually, one of my guys, I had a, an af, one of my ARU dudes that had a source within the Taliban leadership. And, and due to the safe house that he was in, so I found out that I was able to get a lot of guys released. I had a lot of guys released. I'd call my guy. I'm like, hey, can you check with, with the general? That's what we called the guy. I'm like, can you check with the general and see if they have this guy in custody? If so, he's one of our guys, man. Can you have them released every single time they release him? So the Taliban would actually release guys through my proxy, like my source had that much influence with them and this. So I found out. I don't think it was as bad as we thought. I don't know why they were detaining these guys, roughing them up, making it look rough, but I don't think think they were killing them in the numbers that we thought they were.

[Adam White]

At first.

[Mike Edwards]

I don't know why. It seemed like it was a fear campaign to make them scared and make them hide at first. But now a lot of them have kind of. Kind of let up. You know, they're kind of going out and doing their normal stuff, blended into society.

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[Dave Park]

Now, are we.

[Mike Edwards]

Are we worried?

[Dave Park]

Has there been any indication of the Taliban basically recruiting these guys in the sense of, obviously these guys fight fought against the Taliban and they're not for the Taliban, but also human nature is just to make life easier for you and your family. So now we have not just the aru, but, you know, we have, you know, the conduct. We have CPT ctpts. We have. We have all these forces that were trained, and I think a lot of the CTPT got out, but we have these forces that have been trained by Americans, Special Operations. We didn't do right by them. Are we. Are we concerned? Has there been any concern that they're

[Mike Edwards]

going to the other side? Yeah, there has been concern, and there has been some of that happening. Not. Not so much with the aru. I haven't heard of any ARU doing that. I'm sure there probably have been, but not that I've heard of. And the more smaller, more elite units, not so much. I have heard of, like, rare occurrences of, like, commandos doing that, and I think it was more of, like, other different forces out there that were doing. But it has happened. But a lot of them, A lot of the KKA actually joined the National Resistance Front with was Ahmad Massoud leading that effort? Am I mixing him up with his. With his father? I can't remember. Akbar. I think it's Akbar, the son that's leading the national resistance.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. I can't remember which Massoud is the son and the father, but anyway, yeah,

[Mike Edwards]

I'm pretty sure it's. Yeah. I don't know why I'm having a brain fog at the time. But our guy. A lot of the KKA guys were linking up with those guys, and they were taking it to the Taliban at first. Like, they were literally. They almost pushed the Taliban. The, the Taliban were pushing up in the, the paneer up in that area and these guys were pushing them all the way back. Had pushed them all the way back. Almost a couple.

[Dave Park]

Kabul.

[Mike Edwards]

Then Pakistan sent over some drones and did drone strikes on them.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And killed a bunch of them and kind of thwarted that whole thing and stifled it. But they were, they were this close to taking, taking Kabul back. We were cheering them on. We were like, yes, yes, let's do this. And then Pakistan sent over some, some aircraft and some drones and did strikes on them and pushed them all back. Kind of killed that whole effort.

[Dave Park]

It's so weird to me because it never goes well for Pakistan when they like, like they've always supported the Taliban and AQ and whatnot, but it doesn't go well for them. I think that they just want the problem to be in Afghanistan and not.

[Jack Murphy]

Well, now they got to live with their creation.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, yeah. Right next door. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of these guys, like I said, they went to the good. What I consider the good side, but they've kind of. I don't. That effort's kind of stifled now too. But there, there definitely have been some that's gone to the bad side. Confirmed that I know of, but not as big as, not as much as you would think.

[Dave Park]

Right. And, and I imagine for a lot of them, it's not that they're going to the bad side.

[Mike Edwards]

It's just trying to survive.

[Dave Park]

They're trying to survive.

[Mike Edwards]

Only thing they've got, man.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. It's not that, oh, I hate America.

[Mike Edwards]

It's like, yeah, it's literally survival mechanism for them. I mean, and I don't blame them one bit. It's just like when, when Russia started recruiting them for, for. What's the name of that group? The, The Russian contractor, Wagner.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah,

[Mike Edwards]

they were recruiting those guys and I was like, hey, I don't blame them. You know, if you're getting out of here, you know, and they're gonna put you up and give you nice accommodations and treat you like one of their civilians, you know, I don't blame them. It's not what I would do. Yeah. But it's not that I would blame. We actually, we had huge efforts to try to get them to Ukraine too. Like with this whole event going on in Ukraine, like, hey, these dudes right here will come fight with you. Just get them out. Yeah, Nobody, nobody would touch it. Nobody would touch it with a ten foot pole. Like, I talked to people in parliament in Ukraine. I've talked to people here in the United States advocating for it. It's crazy the dynamic this thing has all turned. I actually met with a donor. Another interesting thing tying to the Wagner group was there was this donor that we were told about that, that he had helicopters, fixed wing. He was moving dudes currently out of Afghanistan. We're like, dang, this is like the golden ticket. Like, if we can convince him that Project Exodus has the capabilities that we have and we have the quality of dudes that, that he wants, maybe he'll get them out because we didn't know.

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[Mike Edwards]

Why? He was trying to help at the time. We were like, we set up a meeting. So we set up a meeting with this dude and you know, just like a Google Meet, he comes on, his chief of staff comes on. Mind you, this dude's a billionaire. He's a mega billionaire. Can't remember his name. Like Garrity or something like that was his last name this guy supposedly spoke at cpac. He's like, big tight end on the conservative political side. Well, he. He came onto our meeting. We were talking about different things. We're briefing them all operations we had going on the food program and this stuff, this, that. And the other one of my guys was like, hey, we need to caution our guys to stay away from Wagner Group. And we just need to make sure that they're not doing that, because it's just going to look bad in the eyes of the United States and we can't support it. Then, boom, this dude and his chief of staff popped off the call. We're like, what's the heck, man? This dude just ditched the. We're like, maybe they lost connection. So we're like, texting on the background, like, hey, what happened? Where did the guy drop off? Come to find out the dude was a recruiter for Wagner Group. A US dude tied into politician states. Yeah, I've. I have pushed. The dude is a ghost on the Internet, though. Literally, he's a ghost on the Internet. I pushed everything I can to other people. I'm like, dig into this dude. This is an American citizen. I passed it to the agency. I passed the FBI. And they're like, we can't do anything. He's an American citizen. I'm like, he's an American citizen, but he's also got British citizenship as well. And he's super wealthy, and he's tied into the political sphere here in the United States. But he was recruiting for Wagner Group. That's who he's moving people for, too. He admitted he told that to our people who got this guy on the call. Isn't that crazy? So we're like, what kind of tail spin is this going to take next?

[Dave Park]

You know, I mean, I can see the CIA saying, we can't. Like, he's an American citizen. And what the FBI.

[Mike Edwards]

Like, I'm pretty sure the FBI can process that.

[Dave Park]

That's their.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, you think? Yeah, that's their purview. Yeah, but.

[Dave Park]

Well, treasury, too, right? If you're breaking finance laws.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, that's. I really would like to find out what the truth is behind that guy. Like I said, all I know is what I was told. I was told that he's. He spoke at cpac. Somebody sent me, like, a Twitter clip of him speaking there, tied in with a lot of big conservative politicians, and I was like, huh, Interesting.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

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[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

See, my. My thought, when a lot of that stuff was going down and what I thought, the missed opportunity Was. And it's not my job, but my thought is, like, we have all these guys we trained up in the kka, the aru, the ctpts. Why are we not evacuating them to a third country? Not. Not America, but a third country? That did happen, but, I mean, why isn't the agency moving them into a third country? And you have an element that you can use for completely deniable operations.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh, absolutely, dude. I've been trying to pitch that to the agency for the last year and a half. Like, I've literally have a guy that I've been talking to, and I'm like, hey, this is the capabilities we can bring. We. We actually had, like, a covert medical program we were going to use.

[Jack Murphy]

We.

[Mike Edwards]

We had everything. We just needed a little bit more funding. I was like, you guys fund it. Now you have an ambulance company in Kabul, Afghanistan, that has access everywhere we can. We were going to build false bottoms in these vehicles so we could transport people and supplies. We were literally trying to build packages to sell to them. Like, hey, here's a capability. Nobody wants it.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah. I mean, you'd have a group of Afghans who are well versed in putting, you know, a suppressed.22 to the back of somebody's head. Sounds like maybe something somebody could use.

[Mike Edwards]

Absolutely.

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[Mike Edwards]

I don't.

[Dave Park]

I don't. You would know that the agency will touch, like, medical stuff.

[Mike Edwards]

Well, that was just one aspect to it. Yeah. But we were. We were trying to think of ways to. To have better the ability. So one of the things that was. People were having issues was moving people around. We're like, we'll create a medical company because there are medical issues that are popping up.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Right, right, right.

[Mike Edwards]

So we were going to treat. It was going to be a real medical agency or ambulance company, for the lack of a better term.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

But we were going to also be able to use it to smuggle people and. Or supplies under the nose of the Taliban. As an, you know, ambulance. We had. I mean, we got a pretty good intel network still over there. We've kind of. Kind of let it go because we just. It's no. No need to pimp these guys for information all the time. We can't give them anything in return. Can't get you out, man.

[Dave Park]

Right, right.

[Jack Murphy]

Let's talk a little bit about the further adventures of Mike Edwards. Your life after service. After all this stuff, going to work with USPA and others. I know you have some interesting stories there.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah. Like I said, the whole. It stemmed from your podcast. You know, people reaching out we started Project Exodus. I met Adam and then Brian Fitzgibbons and then, you know, I did some work with those guys. Well then I ended up, I had a job that I had as a government contractor for a while. Ended up losing that job, various things. And then so I was jobless for about a year. USPA Brian hit me up, Brian Fitzgibbons hit me up. And he said, hey, would you like to work with us for this contract? And this was last December. And I said, yeah, sure. He's like, we're going down to Miami. I'll bring you down there. It's just like an executive protection gig. Didn't really know what it was about. I'm like, yeah, sure. He bought me a plane ticket. I was on a plane, plane flew down there and ended up me and Rodney Brown, one of my, my SEAL buddies who was with Project Access, he, they contracted him too. Adam was there running the, the static security. So we had like tons of like 50 guards guarding this art exhibit for Madonna. It was at like Yves Saint Laurent is what it was called. So Madonna had this sex art show that she had of like pictures of herself and naked all over the place inside there.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And all these celebrities, like a list celebrities. I don't remember the names of any of them. You know, Adam may remember better than me, but Madonna was the key one, the head one.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

So she did that and then had like a big after party. So me and Rodney Brown were her personal bodyguards for that event. So it was, it's kind of interesting. Yeah, we were, we were the muscle really, just blocking her from the paparazzi. But we did that, managed the security event for that we've, we do, for the most part, we, we do nationwide, even international armed executive protection, security, bodyguard work and Firewatch. Firewatch is a big thing that we do where for example, if your, your building is under construction, they may have to shut down the fire sprinkler systems. Yeah. And you don't want to shut the business down. So by law most places you have to have basically like boost boot camp. Firewatch guy.

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[Mike Edwards]

In there paid. And so we, we do that a lot. We provide that service all over the country. But the key thing with that is 50% of all the earnings from USPA goes into the Kingsman program. The Kingsman is the non profit arm of uspa. Mike Evans, the owner of the company, such a nice guy, such a big hearted guy. And Dan Manning, the CEO, like they, you know, will accept these different missing persons cases or, or traffic children or for example battered women cases will come in and that's part of the, one of the things I'm paid to do to his advice on that stuff. So we'll, we'll get cases like there was a, a girl, Ashlyn Gill up in Massachusetts, was it Massachusetts that went, went missing and the cops were looking for, for like 30 something days. We got on the case and, and found her within 3, 3 days and had her back to her family.

[Dave Park]

Wow.

[Mike Edwards]

There was another one. I won't say the name but it was a, an adult girl down in Florida who was tied in with a. Basically an international con man. This dude had con many women like good looking younger girls. He was probably like about my age. And then he was getting not as handsome. Yeah, definitely not as handsome. And getting these younger 20 something to 30 year old girls to spend all their money. Literally millions of dollars he sucked out of these girls just traveling around. And I reached out to some of my network that came from the Project Exodus stuff, some of that stuff that I was tied in there was able to bring in a guy that, that can dig on people's phones and basically SIGINT type stuff and find where these people are at. So we used him to find where these people are at and ended up handing off the locations to the, the FBI and to the, the sheriff detective down in Florida who actually was in 3rd, 3rd Ranger Battalion with us in the same platoon actually for a little bit. So it's interesting bumping into that guy. But we helped federal law enforcement and local law enforcement apprehend this basically like I said, international con man and freed this girl up so that she'd go back to her family. She, you know, she was willingly with him. So we, the family asked us to help her, but we couldn't force her to leave. She's like.

[Dave Park]

It's more like a deprogramming in a way, right?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah. And that's what we're going to try to do is kind of call her out, deprogram her to the best of our ability. But what we figured out, the most viable route was to just help the cops detain him. Now he's out of the picture and she's free.

[Adam White]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

You know, so that's what happened. Yeah, well, we do a lot of that stuff, man. Cases that pop up, we try to help people as much as possible. Like I said, the Kingsman, 50% of our earnings goes to that. To funding the, these different programs.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. And those programs are expensive. I mean when surveillance, the surveillance, the tech.

[Adam White]

Yep.

[Dave Park]

You know if it's like recovery, you know. You know, and I, I don't know if you guys. Because you said internationally. Right. Or that.

[Mike Edwards]

Well, most of the recovery stuff we do here in the States. Yeah, we could pro. We have done some internationally as well, but most of it's here in the States. But international is like the security stuff stuff.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Executive protection stuff.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

All over the place.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. Yeah. And how are you enjoying that? Like. Or how is that back to your recce days?

[Tyler Redick]

Y.

[Dave Park]

You know, because one of the things, one of the things we talked about, I can't remember if it was your first time on or second time on was like the post traumatic stress and like the, like pulling people out of cars isn't like necessarily like normal behavior.

[Unknown Announcer]

Right?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

And. And I identify with that 100. Like, you know, where sometimes my girlfriend's like, let this go. I'm like, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

It's hard to de escalate sometimes.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. How, like, how has it been for you not only with like the post traumatic stress going back sort of into this world, but also the sense of mission, the sense of purpose that you had and then you're. And then, then you're looking for. Does this kind of fulfill that role for you?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I think, you know, that's one of the things when, when USPA asked me if I wanted to come on full time working with them, I was like, man, I. I'm so happy that you all asked me because this is something I can definitely get behind because I knew what they were doing because I kind of helped a little bit on the side with that. But you're right, I've never had ptsd, I guess, per se. I don't know why, but I did have other issues that I, that I had. And we can speak on that stuff if you guys have time, want to. But I never had ptsd. But yeah, it is right. It is good. You know, whenever I retired, I was doing the freefall stuff. I was doing a lot of free fall contracts. I was teaching recce courses and long range shooting courses and stuff to different guys and I enjoyed that. You're still with the boys, still walking in the mountains, still doing military type stuff.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

When you completely pull away from that, it kind of. It's like a sever that you can feel, you know, it just doesn't feel right. So I pulled away from that for a little bit. But this definitely fulfills. It fills that niche.

[Dave Park]

You know what I mean? Am I. I'm sorry, my memory is horrible, but I did. Was it Was it. Was it not you? We were talking about, like, getting angry on the. On the road and stuff. I did.

[Mike Edwards]

I. Yeah, I used to get like that. Yeah. Yeah. That was a period of time for a while. I was just angry at the world, man. I don't know why it was, but I was. I was angry, dude. I mean, you know, a lot of guys are scared to talk about this stuff.

[Unknown Announcer]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

But, you know, suicide's a big deal. Like, we've had friends that died from that.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

To be honest with you, I've had a pistol to my head snatching the slack out of a trigger before.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

I'm not scared to tell people about that because that was a weakness that I was at and I'll never be back there again. Right that now. But at the time, man, I was being haunted. I don't know why or what it was called. None of this ever happened while I was in the military.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

It was once I was out of the military and I was just at home with my wife and kid. I was drinking a lot to like, kind of mitigate pain and stress and stuff like that. Taking like pain pills and Ambien and all that kind of crap. Met self medicating. I don't know why, why I was doing it. I felt like I needed it to sleep. I felt like I needed it to be restful. But, dude, I would lose control, man. Like, I was angry. I was. I was. I was so mean to my wife. You know, thank God I've got a good Christian wife. And my wife was praying for me all the time. Like I call her, I tell her, I think I said that on the second one. She's the most valorous soldier that I know.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Because I was her worst enemy. I was attacking her left and right night. And she just prayed for me.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And prayed for me and prayed for me. And then boom, I'm. I'm completely changed. I'm not even close to the same guy I was the last time I was on this podcast, man. You know, that goes into my new passion is like studying the Bible.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Like I. I have studied the Bible for the last four years now. And at first, like I was telling you, I chuck that thing across the room. I'd get pissed off. I'm like, this book is stupid. It's trash. Who could even understand this thing? But now I've studied it so much that I do understand it now. I do understand it clearly. And. And I've. I teach people on the side. I put together Bible studies and lead Groups of Bible studies for this. And there's a lot of people coming around to the truth with this. Now one of the most shocking things, a lot of people don't like to accept it, but I mean, the Bible predicted this. The Bible predicted that in the end times the entire church, the entire church would be apostate.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

You know, meaning that it's completely against God. Right? Yeah, that's exactly where we are. It says, you know, that the ministers of Satan would become the ministers of righteousness. Yeah, that's what's going on. Like it literally says false apostles as the apostles of Christ. So all of this, the Bible told us that in the end times, Satan's ministers would be in the church teaching false doctrine. But a lot of people have too much pride to look at the Bible and be like, this teaches totally different than what my preacher said. A lot of times it hits them deep and they just refuse it. Yeah, they refuse it. And like the Bible says they harden their hearts against it because of pride.

[Jack Murphy]

It's interesting, like from what you've described, it sounds like you're kind of like self taught. Like you didn't really go to church so much. As much as you like forced your way through the Bible initially, like line by line, you know, even I think you said you didn't really take to it, you didn't really understand it, but you kept at it until it started to make sense to you.

[Mike Edwards]

Yep, I, I really did. Like a lot of the seminary schools that are out there teach, they teach this corrupted doctrine that's out there. It's anti biblical, man. If you really do take a forensic study of the Bible itself, it takes immense amounts of hours. Like, I mean I have thousands and thousands of hours of studying of this and then you start unlocking pieces because there's like, you know, Jesus spoke in different parables and things like that. A lot of those parables, you think there's a surface layer understanding to it, but when you understand more depth of the scriptures, it unlocks the parable's true meaning. And a lot of that stuff, it doesn't come alive until you've really studied in depth. And you're right, I studied on my own and I believe that's the purest form. And the Bible says that, that we're not supposed to have anyone else interpret the scriptures for us. We're supposed to individually, like between you and the Scripture, it's between us and God. He interprets it for us. And it actually interprets itself too.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

So I mean, we're not really like a religious podcast, per se, but since this is like, something that, like, means something to you and has been, like, beneficial for you, I would like to ask, like, in your own words, then, what is the Bible to you? What, what, what, what did you take out of it? What are, like, the big threads that changed you?

[Mike Edwards]

Well, I think the Bible is the manifestation of God himself. You know what I mean? Like, it does say in the beginning was the Word. The Word was God. The Word was with God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. So there's codes in that.

[Unknown Announcer]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

The Word is the scriptures, and it's saying that the Word was God and is God. And so, like, I believe that studying those scriptures, it cleanses you. It says that it does, and it has cleansed me. Me and my wife don't fight like we used to. I don't drink like I used to drink every single night, all the time. Now I'll have an occasional drink here and there. Never get drunk. I don't take any of the pills that I used to take. I've cleaned up my language. You know what I mean? My ax, my culture. Yeah. It just. And I didn't try to do this. It did it for me.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

You know, it was just like, it just naturally happens. Do you.

[Dave Park]

You know, because you talk about this anger and, you know, and I think that a lot of veterans, you talk about suicide and things like that. And I think a lot of veterans, especially a lot of special operations veterans, for whatever reason, where this, you know, there's this blanket sort of idea of post traumatic stress. But, you know, as we've talked about on the show before, there's also blast injuries and TBI that get meshed in with that because we've st. We've. We've all stood way too close to way too many breaches.

[Mike Edwards]

Charges too.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. And, you know, and then there's also going from 60 miles an hour to 0 miles an hour.

[Mike Edwards]

I think that has a lot to

[Dave Park]

do with it where you have this purpose. You are an elite, you know, you. You're an elite in the world. You're like a child actor whose time ends right in that you're at the top. You're at the.

[Mike Edwards]

That's a good way to put it.

[Dave Park]

You're at the top of your game.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

With purpose, with a fulfilling mission. And then you're back out in the civilian world where there is none of the camaraderie, none of the purpose, none of that. And so that with the post traumatic stress that may or may not be there with the blast injuries and tbis, guys. It all blends together to, to this catastrophic situation. Yeah, exactly.

[Mike Edwards]

It really does. And, and I think it's easy to be overtaken by that. It's really easy. I mean, I'm telling you, I've been like, with a Glock, snatching the slack out of the trigger. Like, I was lucky I didn't over pull that thing. I could have easily been one of those statistics. And like, who knows if those guys are doing the same thing. Never intended on killing themselves, but just so angry. They're just like, you, you don't think I'll do this?

[Dave Park]

You know what I mean? At your wife, you know, and it's very momentary. I mean, I have.

[Mike Edwards]

Very momentary.

[Dave Park]

I've kicked in a door and taken a pistol out of friend's hand before and, and he's no longer like, it was a momentary thing.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

And, and, and he's not at risk anymore, thank God. But the thing is, is that it's such an insidious spiral that, that we don't, we don't see it for ourselves when we're in it.

[Jack Murphy]

You're right.

[Mike Edwards]

You're exactly right. It's like I, you know, I preach to my buddies all the time and like, I got like Rodney Brown, you know, he, he always tells me, he's like, hey bro, if you ever need me, call me. Like. And he's specifically talking about that. Not because at the time when he would say that to me, it's not because he knew that I had had these events because I definitely didn't tell him.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

You know, because like, I, like, I'll talk about this stuff out in the open. I'll tell it to anybody because it's an issue that does need to be talked about because we all deal with it.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

You know what I mean? We all deal with it at some level. Maybe not as bad as that or like to the point we actually do it, but we all deal with it at some level. And it just depends on how far out of control it gets. But yeah, I wouldn't call them when those times happen. I wasn't calling.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

You know what I mean? It's one of those things. You're right. You have to. It's hard to get out of.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

It's hard to, to overcome that weakness and admit that you're weak.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

You see what I'm saying?

[Dave Park]

Right. Right. And, and yeah. And, and it's one of those things where you're right. Like people don't reach out like, people who expect, like, veterans or probably anybody in this situation. Not just veterans, but people who expect people to reach out to a professional or even a friend. It's not going to happen. That's when you have to, like, do those buddy checks and like, like, you just go in, assume, go in like an assault team, basically.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

And. And, you know, give the knife hand

[Mike Edwards]

and you get lucky. Like, there's, there's people that I've worked with that I was lucky to get on the phone with and talk them, I feel off of it. Guys that worked for me called me one time and was like, hey, this, there's this one guy and that used to be in our, in our group, in our platoon, and he's struggling right now. We think he's going to kill himself. And they're like, call him. I'm like, please, God lets this dude answer the phone. I called, he answered the phone. And I don't know if I helped him. Maybe I got to intervene at that right time. But that's why, like you said, those buddy checks, doing them routinely, because that dude's not going to call you.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

You know, luckily somebody saw triggers from that guy on like, maybe social media.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

And then they started alerting people that network worked for that guy.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

But it doesn't always work, man. And that's why I think, being honest about it, like, that's why, like, I saw one of my buddies, D.J. shipley, who was. Me and him, did some free fall contract stuff together. I watched the podcast he did on Sean Ryan and I, and he taught, he talked very open about that. And I was like, dude, like, I can't believe. Like, like, I'm like, if he's talking about that, I should be able to talk about that stuff.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

So I'm like, that, that, like, changed me right there. I was like, dude, that is awesome. On him to have spoken out about his weaknesses. You know, SEAL Team six operator, like, admitted his weaknesses, man. More people need to hear that stuff. So when I heard that from him, I was like, dude, I need to do the same thing if I ever get the opportunity, be honest about it because, you know, people will realize because we're bad to the bone Special Ops guys, right? We can't be weak.

[Dave Park]

Right?

[Mike Edwards]

But in that situation, you have to admit when you're weak.

[Jack Murphy]

What was the, what was the, the turning point for you?

[Mike Edwards]

You know, I really don't know. It. It just. It kind of like slowly happened with my Bible study stuff. Like I said, I Just stuck with it and stuck with it. It's like God just took it from me, man. He took the anger away from me. He took the, like the, the want to, to do that stuff. I don't get angry. Like, the things that my wife used to do that made me angry don't make me angry anymore. I don't make her angry like I used to because she's changed too. She's in the same boat as me, but on the other side now. So our whole family has changed because of that stuff. I, I just, I can't explain it, man. Yeah, I can't explain it, but it's definitely for the better.

[Dave Park]

No, that's fantastic. I mean, it really is. And, and it's, you know, it's definitely

[Mike Edwards]

a topic that definitely needs to be talked about, man, more often.

[Dave Park]

Well, and, and you know, we've, we've had people on who have, who have been through this and who have been

[Jack Murphy]

through

[Dave Park]

psychotrope medicines, you know, Stella ganglion blocks, you know, 40, with like the, the breathing and things like that, like all these different things. But, you know, you're bringing something that, that hasn't really been talked about on this show before, which is. Is just faith true?

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

I do believe with everything in my entire being that that is the ticket. It's not the easy ticket, though. It comes with like, like the scripture says, those who diligently seek him, he will manifest himself to you. So you can't just do it at a certain surface layer. You can't just half ass it. You know what I mean? You got to go in a full bore. And that's the way I looked at it. I was like, I'm going to prove that this is either a legitimate, divinely inspired book or I'm going to prove it's trash one the of the two. And I went at it myself, tearing it.

[Jack Murphy]

Such a typical ranger. There's no way.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, right, right. It's either good or it's all the way.

[Jack Murphy]

All the way in.

[Mike Edwards]

So. But it definitely. I, I believe that's the ticket because I've tried the, the different stuff out there. We've got a ranger buddy, Grantham. Miles Grantham, yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

Good dude.

[Mike Edwards]

He travels around and helps guys with this. With the toad stuff. Right. And he came and like. And I don't want to say too many details, but he, he put me through one of those toad, sir.

[Jack Murphy]

I've interviewed him about it before, about ayahuasca and stuff like that.

[Mike Edwards]

So.

[Jack Murphy]

Me and Miles were in the same platoon. We were both in snipers together.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I knew you were.

[Jack Murphy]

And. And then we reconnected. We stayed in touch after we got out of the military, and we used to have dinner once in a while.

[Mike Edwards]

And he lived up here in New York?

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah, he's doing executive protection stuff.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh, that's right.

[Jack Murphy]

And for better or worse, I convinced him he should go to Columbia. He should go in, enroll up there. And he majored in political science. Or, no, he majored in computer science. And then he got on board with all the ayahuasca stuff, and it did him. I mean, he's talked about it publicly before. I mean, it's done him a world of good. And like you said, now he goes around helping other guys with it.

[Mike Edwards]

He called me. Like, he was hitting me up. He was like, dude, you need to do this stuff. You need to do this stuff. I'm like, man, I just didn't want to because I was working, and I was afraid. Afraid I'd be, like, hungover or weird afterwards. A lot of times he was trying to catch me in, you know, places, you know, out west. And I'm like, dude, I just can't do this in the middle of a work trip. It's just. I just don't feel right about it. He's like, dude, it's over with, like, super fast. So then he finally hemmed me up, and everything was so bad with my wife at the time, to where she was like, I don't care. She was totally against it. She's like, that stuff's satanic. You know what I mean? And she's like, totally against it. But then she's like, I don't care if it'll save our marriage. Just do it. I said, all right. So I hit him up, and I said, yeah, I'm good, if you want to do it. So he. He literally, personally did one for me and a couple other guys, another Ranger buddy, and then an SF dude that I met at Walter Reed came down and did it for me in my backyard, man. And it was. It was the most amazing thing, but I don't think that's what fixed me. I didn't. I still had issues, significant issues after that. I do know that there are guys that do it, that say it's life changing.

[Dave Park]

Do you think it gave you space to, like, examine the rest of, like, if it didn't change everything immediately for you, do you feel like it created a space for you to do that? To, like, examine things?

[Mike Edwards]

I believe so. Because I do believe. This is what I try to tell People I like. My wife was against it all, but I was like, God created those things for a reason, right? If, you know, if there's God and he's real, he created these plants, these things for medicine. I believe it's for guys like us who are too hard to break through to that spiritual peace, you know, like. So I think. I think what that did do for me is it showed me because you. You go and meet God when you do that stuff, that's what it does. It takes you into what they call the spirit realm. Like, that's literally. I mean, that's what they talk about. You're going into the spirit world, and that's where you go with ayahuasca. And the toad medicine is even more potent. And that's the stuff that I did. And I think it showed to me that God is real and he's out there. So then that kind of intrigued me because it was about after, right. About after that when I really started studying the Bible. So maybe it did kind of catalyst it in because I'm like, you know, God's real for sure. Now this book's better be real or wrong and start digging in.

[Jack Murphy]

I think Jim Morris, you know, had, like, a really interesting comment, like after Vietnam, he started experimenting with LSD back

[Mike Edwards]

when no one knew about Jim Morrison from yours.

[Jack Murphy]

No, Jim Morris, Special Forces in Vietnam. And he. He said that, you know, the. The cycle, the psychedelics can get you out of the box you're in into, like, the room of the house. But as far as, like, if you want to explore the rest of the house, you kind of have to do

[Mike Edwards]

that on your own. That's a good point. I think he's right about that.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it. It did. Because, you know, thinking back on it, maybe it was the catalyst that pushed me into the realm that I'm at now.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Because. Yeah, it.

[Dave Park]

It.

[Mike Edwards]

It kind of breaks down like, I think, you know, like how older people get to where, you know, they're stuck in their old ways. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. We tend to compartmentalize ourselves in our brain, what the norm is. Right. And that thing, I. I do believe it helps step you outside of that box of the norm to where you're like, well, this exists. Let me get busy with that. You know what I mean?

[Dave Park]

So, yeah, no, it's. It's fascinating. You know, I've talked. When we've talked to people, I've talked to people personally about the ayahuasca, the ibogaine, you know, the, the different types of, of plant based medicines that are out there. And what's really interesting because you even mentioned LSD and we can talk about like DMT and, and, and Molly or you know, like these were all being researched heavily like in the 50s or a lot of these were.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

In 60s and then when they broke out of the lab and became part of the counterculture, it was all shut down. But, but it, but there was already e. Efficacy being shown. Yeah, like decades ago.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, for sure. With these things and it's, you know, all coming back around now like, and I think you have to be careful with it. But I've, I haven't seen any special operations guys that have done it that have had bad negative effects.

[Jack Murphy]

I've never had one of them come back to me and say like they

[Mike Edwards]

had a bad experience.

[Adam White]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

Like another one of my buddies from the ranger regiment just did it. And I won't say his name because I don't know if, if he wants that out. But he's just like, he's like me now. Like he's studying the Bible like he's digging in hardcore. This is a retired SAR major. You know, he's, he's like, no joke. Like he did the ayahuasca and I think the ibogaine. I think the toad. He did like a big thing down in Central or South America where it's like totally legal at. So like they were able to do a longer treatment.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And he was like, man, it changed his life. Life and yeah, it has. I see it in him. I look at that guy. Like he's talking to me about the Bible and I'm like, what dude? It's like me talking about the Bible. Like a couple years ago that'd be the last thing you'd hear me talking about. But that guy's talking about it now too. Yeah, I'm like, man. And I've seen that from a lot of the guys that do it.

[Jack Murphy]

It's really interesting to see like, and I've seen it a lot because I've been out of the military for what, like 12, 13 years now. So I've gotten to see a lot of guys get out of the military and they have their post military journey, transitioning out. And for a lot of them it is a rough ride. I mean I, I had something of a rough ride too. The transition out for a lot of guys. The substance abuse, anger, like a lot of anger.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

And then find something. We've talked about a bunch of different things. People find different things in different ways. For some people, it's more traditional therapy, whatever that happens to be. Yeah. And then they sort of, like, even out and find the next thing in their life, and it's just very interesting. And I find it very, I don't know, like, gratifying in a way to watch these guys sort of evolve, you know, and unfortunately, the unfortunate thing, of course, that we've talked about, some don't make it.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, yeah. Thankfully, there are some that are making it. And. And to know what the solution to that is, I. I don't know. I do. I do believe that, you know, the whole faith thing, I do believe that's the key. I just don't know. Like I said, even in my own process, I don't know how that came about necessarily.

[Dave Park]

Well, what's interesting, though, is the faith thing isn't even. It's not new. Like, Alcoholics Anonymous was sort of based around faith, you know, not necessarily Christianity, but a higher power and giving. Getting over to that higher power, you know, however a person recognizes it's. It's just that, you know, we. We often, you know, we're a secular country at this point in a lot of ways, and. And we. We stray away from faith. We also have people who, like, push the faith a little, you know, too much. Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And they're pushing it the wrong ways, honestly.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

There's more to it than that. Yeah.

[Dave Park]

They make it like a very. They make it like a very scary, judgmental, like, thing.

[Mike Edwards]

It's like a social club.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

I mean, it's really like a social club. Like, you just do this thing and hang out here and, like, I act and you're cool, but they. They're. They're just as lost as anybody else, honestly.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

When you dig into the Bible about it. But. But you're right, man. It. It definitely. It's. It's something that has gone away because I think, you know, in America, we're all about making money, making money, making money. And even you're working hard, you're making tons of money, you have more incentive to work even more hours. But then there's the people that are poor as well. They're working two jobs, three jobs just to keep afloat.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

On top of that, you got your children in sports, gymnastics, piano lessons, all these things. It occupies all your time. You cannot. You do not have the time that I have to read the Bible. Like, I was unemployed for an entire year. Yeah, that's really what.

[Drew McIntyre]

Your co.

[Jack Murphy]

Your Covid year.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I was unemployed for an entire year. And that entire year, I spent a lot of time in the bible itself, and I. And I found out that that thing is true. And I feel pity for people. I'm like, I just wish everybody had that time. And. And I wish something would urge them to do it because it is life changing. But bottom line is, in this world, we just. Everything is out there to take you away from that.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Instead.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. So Les said that there used to be a troglodyte that worked at the px across from the platoon. Mike went into purchase dip and she would not allow him to, even though he was in uniform.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh. Because I didn't have my ID card. I remember that I went over there to buy my dip. I literally walked across the street. So, like, I. I forgot. Left my ID card or something. I like that. I'm in uniform, master sergeant.

[Jack Murphy]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

So I'm like, obviously I'm probably older than 18, you know what I mean? And she would not sell it to me.

[Jack Murphy]

I got. So did you pull a gun on her?

[Adam White]

No.

[Mike Edwards]

Probably should have, dude. That lady was mean. God.

[Jack Murphy]

I had. I had one of my privates in handcuffs at the px because he went to go buy a pack of smokes, forgot to pay pay for it, and walked out the door.

[Mike Edwards]

Dang.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah, man.

[Mike Edwards]

The.

[Jack Murphy]

The mps came and slapped handcuffs on them. First sergeant had to come down.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh, yeah. Dang.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

People with the PX can be dicks, man.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, I. I had. I'm trying to remember. I don't even want to tell that story. It'll get down a whole nother rabbit hole. That was at the clothing and sales one time. Not a good situation at fort benning. A lot of those ladies that worked on places on fort benning were not nice.

[Jack Murphy]

Have their own anger issues.

[Dave Park]

Well, and the thing is, is that they. They could take it out on Joe's. Right. Like privates.

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

What's a private going to do to somebody who works at the px? A little bit of power over you.

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[Mike Edwards]

You mouth off. All they got to do is call your boss and you're straight. Done.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

You know what I mean? At that point, you're screwed.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

They do have power. I mean, and they. Oh, they abuse the crap out of it.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

We have any questions for Mike?

[Dave Park]

We do. Let me. Let me get into them now. I'm going to preface these questions by saying I. I saw a couple of them go by. There might be.

[Mike Edwards]

No, no, no.

[Dave Park]

But there might be like some. There might be, like, some ttp type questions going on. And I will, I will ask Mike the questions you guys asked. But understand that, understand that.

[Jack Murphy]

Give us the nuclear launch codes, bro.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. Oh, you know, you talk like we don't, we don't like gotcha questions on this channel and, and whatnot, but we're gonna, we're gonna lay one out. You talked about getting right onto all these programs. Tell us about the aliens, man. Tell us about Area 51 and, and what RRC was read onto you.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh, I wish, I wish I knew. Although. Oh, yeah, that's, I really wasn't read on to any of that stuff. Although there's a guy that has a biblical perspective on that, that, that ties. Because think about it, you know, New Jerusalem, which is like heaven comes down from heaven. It's gonna. What is it gonna look like? It's gonna be like 12,000 furlongs. By 12,000 furlongs.

[Dave Park]

That's huge.

[Mike Edwards]

That's gonna be like a massive spaceship probably. And this one dude's perspective on it, I don't know, 100 on it, but he believes it could be a deception, you know what I mean? To like lure people into the false God.

[Dave Park]

Who knows?

[Jack Murphy]

The UFO cult. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Who knows?

[Dave Park]

Let's see here. So, Brian Fitzgibbons, thank you very much, friend Mike Edwards and Adam White, two of the greatest of, of all time.

[Jack Murphy]

Wow. Love you too. Adam, come over here and sit down, man.

[Dave Park]

Come, come. Say yeah. If you guys have not watched Mike's previous two shows and Adam's previous show, like, you gotta Jackson, thank you very much. People have said RSC prepares guys best for Delta selection given RRC selection process admission. How true is that in your opinion? Also, what's the working relationship with Delta?

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, we work directly with them just like anybody else does within the community. And I would say, yeah, if you wanted to go to Delta Force selection and you've been to RRC selection, you're more likely to be successful because they're very similar and vice versa. Guys that go to Delta Force selection would be more likely to be successful in RRC because they're, the selections are very, very similar. If I can't say exact, but sure, pretty close.

[Dave Park]

But would it be similar to going from like, like Apple to IBM that, that you're, that people aren't going to RRC to prep for Delta.

[Mike Edwards]

It's not like Delta, you're wasting your time.

[Dave Park]

Delta's not like the next step up because they're, they're very, they're like equal. They just do different things.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, it's, it's not like, yeah, you're not going to go to one of those to go to the other one because you're going through this arduous, arduous program to then go to another arduous, arduous program. I just think that's ridiculous. Now, I've seen guys that have tried every one of them and then finally get to one of them. Yeah, you're like, you went through all of that, but it's not the, the best route. But you're right. So if you go to rrc, it's because you're interested in more of the recce piece, or if you're going into Delta Force, you're more going to be interested in the DA piece, like kicking indoors kind of stuff. So the way I like to explain it is Delta Force, they. They do a higher level of cqb. Like Ranger Battalion does a ton of it, but those dudes do it at the highest, highest, most precision level.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

You know,

[Dave Park]

Joe's gotcha. Thank you very much.

[Adam White]

Takes notes.

[Mike Edwards]

Joe's gotcha.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Adam White]

So this very interested in sigen.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, so, so, so this is one of those questions. Did RC have in house SIGEN capabilities when you were there or did they have to rely on SOD A's or TFO to fill that role? No worries if you can't comment.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, we have our own and, you know, abilities within the regiment. Yeah, the regiment's pretty robust, so, yeah, we have our own capabilities within that.

[Dave Park]

Jackson, thank you very much. How much shooting, CQB training did you do as an RRC operator compared to your time as a Ranger and in a line unit? Also, how often do you see Green Berets or SEALs or MARSOC guys at RRC?

[Mike Edwards]

We did a lot of shooting. A lot, A lot. Like I said, we got a lot more to the pistol shooting piece because it's the concealed carry aspect of it. We need that a lot. So we shot a lot more pistol and RRC than we did in the Ranger Battalions. As far as rifle shooting, we probably shot about the same amount, although we probably shot sniper rifles more in rrc. As far as, like, dealing with Special Forces and MARSOC and guys like that, I never really worked with Special Forces or MARSOC dudes overseas that much. I would occasionally see them, but when I worked at the Freefall School, I worked with those guys and I helped that, if that person doesn't know, I helped, you know, with a buddy of mine, helped create MARSOC's free fall program. We stood up the first couple courses and I helped work all those courses, forces, and helped build a lot of the ttps for it, so.

[Dave Park]

NTAT Channel, thank you very much. Greetings, gentlemen. Listening in and being an artilleryman, that's a task in itself. Sun's out, guns out. That's true. Artillery and mortars are tough jobs.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, they are, dude. And. And that goes Leslie Sandusky and all the other mortar guys that were in. In my platoon back in the day. I was super impressed with those guys. I still keep in touch with a lot of those guys still to this day. They're a whole nother level of Ranger. I mean, no joke. They're so underappreciated. Those guys are some of the smartest guys in the Ranger regiment. And so underappreciated, too, you know?

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah. And it's like they carry. Like, no matter what everybody's carrying, they're carrying even more.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, for sure. That's another good point. They're carrying the heaviest loads by far.

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[Mike Edwards]

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[Mike Edwards]

Oh, nice. Awesome. Thanks, guys.

[Dave Park]

DJ Snead, thank you very much. How does RRC differ from Force Recon and Air Force Special Reconnaissance? Is it the customer or capability? Is Omega like af, an AFO team or better? I think that's.

[Jack Murphy]

There's, like, a good question in there. I was speaking to Adam's mic about. A lot of people wonder about, like, the difference between reconnaissance units. There's like, G Squadron, Black Squadron. Everyone has their own recon element, if you want to talk a little bit about that.

[Mike Edwards]

Yes. So, like, the. The G Squadron of Black Squadron guys, we work with those guys a lot, too. They're more. I'd say they probably delve into slightly different things than we did in rrc, but we had a lot of overlap of capabilities, just like the guys up at. In. In Virginia as well. A lot of overlapping capabilities there. Now, the Force Recon guys, I would say, like, they're super solid dudes. Some of the. The best guy, like, dude, I love Marines, period. There's a lot of great Marines out there, especially in that realm. But their. Their capabilities and their assets weren't just. Weren't near what we had. Like, we just had immense funding and in. Who else was it that they compared it to? Like, the Air Force.

[Adam White]

Air Force.

[Mike Edwards]

Air Force, SRR guys. The Air Force Special reconnaissance started off as like the Air Force weather guys. I actually trained a bunch of those guys last time, and they're just. Their focus is more on the Air Force aspect of it, so. And I don't want to get into a whole lot of the details on that because a lot of their stuff that they do is pretty classified as well.

[Jack Murphy]

Airfields.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah. And. And like enabling fast movers to do their job. So it's like, different than us defeating those types of targets. But yeah, it's cool. It's a cool thing, but it's all needed out there.

[Adam White]

Like, you.

[Mike Edwards]

You can't just, like RC could probably do all that different. Different stuff and vice versa. But we all have our little niche that we really specialize in, and ours was broad, like, recce. The recce niche is pretty broad. Yeah. And ours is pretty broad. But a lot of those guys, like the s. The special reconnaissance guys, there's a little bit more focus in this area versus these other guys. A little more focus here. The. The Force recon guys, more of the tactical recce focus. From what I've seen. Totally capable unit, though.

[Dave Park]

I mean, eventually it probably comes down to. In a bar, how much do you have to explain your job versus how much do people already know your job?

[Adam White]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

And that's the thing with rrc. Nobody knows about it.

[Jack Murphy]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

Literally nobody knows about it. Like I tell people a lot of times I was in probably one of the smallest, you know, little secretive units that you never heard of. You know what I mean? Because you really haven't heard of it.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

That's what's cool about it. Yeah.

[Dave Park]

Can you get a chick by just saying what you did? If not, then nobody knows about it.

[Mike Edwards]

Only if you're a Navy seal, right? Only if you're all you got to do. Navy seal.

[Jack Murphy]

Boom. Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

You got chicks, you got jobs, you got everything.

[Adam White]

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[Mike Edwards]

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[Dave Park]

Now I. I don't know that people know about it, though. Like. Like you know about it, but I don't think people know about it. I just answered.

[Adam White]

I literally knew about it because Jack Murphy posted on the team house, like, rrc. Like, Like, I. I mean, like, we won't say the numbers. It is remarkably small. Like we were talking before.

[Mike Edwards]

Like, Like I was number 79. I think you said 78. I don't remember. I got the coin much later. 78 or 79?

[Adam White]

Bear trap memory. I remember 78.

[Mike Edwards]

Okay, 70.

[Adam White]

I'll take your 78 years.

[Mike Edwards]

Number 78. That ever graduated through the pipeline as of when I graduated in 2008 or whatever. Yeah, yeah, 2008. Yeah. Somewhere around there.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

Baker Hitch. Thank you very much. Tell us your UFO stories.

[Mike Edwards]

Oh, I will tell you a really cool one, actually. Very recent. I don't know what this thing was, but I reached out to a pilot buddy of mine who works for Skunk Works now, and he was like, yeah, we have this capabilities in the US military. I was teaching special reconnaissance dudes from the two 4sts guys in their OTC pipeline. We were out. Out in the desert, out west. I want to say anything specific because there's, you know, dudes want to keep their stuff secret, too, but we were out there just doing just some basic patrolling techniques, right? We were, like, doing it at night with night vision on stand out there with our 31s on. I'm looking up, and I look at the dude that was with me, who's a Delta Force dude that was, you know, teaching the course horse with me. And I look up. I'm like, holy crap, look at that. We look up. There's this thing that looks like a boat. It's, like, ripping across the sky, but it's leaving, like, a wake behind it. I'm talking it covered from one horizon all the way to the other horizon in a matter of seconds. But it was way up there. You couldn't tell what it was, or you couldn't hear anything. There's no sound. It was not as fast as, like, a shooting star, but near as fast. But it had a wake coming off of it the whole time and then just disappeared. Yeah, it was like some sort of hypersonic aircraft. And I. I told my buddy about it, explained it to him. He was like, yeah, we. He's like, we have aircraft like that in the US that are hypersonic. And I was like, holy crap.

[Jack Murphy]

Hypersonic.

[Mike Edwards]

I think it's, like, seven times the speed of sound. Because I looked it up, something like that. I was like, wow.

[Dave Park]

Look, if you ever want to, like, talk to somebody who will geek out about this stuff and knows their. And just a blast to talk to. Talk to Alex Hollingston. Just get. Just get him on a call sometime and just talk with him, because he knows so much and he's so fun to talk to because he. He just loves it so much. But he'll talk about hypersonics and, like, newest developments and all that stuff all day long.

[Mike Edwards]

Well, I mean, somebody came out recently with the UFO stuff and said that. That we. We have, like, the UFOs. They're like, we have the capability in the US arsenal that crafts that are capable of that kind of stuff you've seen. So I'm like, dang, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Jack Murphy]

There's some, there's some weird stuff out there. I have no idea for sure what it is. But I mean, look, the SR71 was developed back in like the 60s.

[Adam White]

So I mean this, the stuff that I knew we could do in 2006, like it, it stands to reason.

[Mike Edwards]

And for the, the viewers out there, if we were read onto it, it was probably just this, just the edge of it. There's this much more that was out there. Like everything's so compartmentalized. Like you have to have a need to know. And if you don't have a need to know, you're not knowing about it. No, I guarantee you we have stuff that we couldn't even fathom out there.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

I mean think about this. I went to Disney about two years ago. The new Star wars ride was out there. If anybody's ever been to that. It's mind boggling like that. I saw stuff happen in that ride that I'm like, how is this even possible? Like there was this wall that I was leaning up against. All of a sudden it just literally melted. You could feel the heat coming off of it. Like someone cut it open with a laser beam. We walked through it and like we were on this ride getting escaped through. Like these drones were shooting at us. Lasers are flying over, burning up the bulkheads. It was like being in a movie. And the technology that we use for that, I guarantee you can make cloaking devices if you can make a laser. Like the whole bulkhead look like a laser beams flying over. Yeah. And feel the heat from it as it flies over.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, dude.

[Mike Edwards]

It was the most realistic thing I've

[Jack Murphy]

ever seen in my life.

[Dave Park]

I think they just, I don't. I didn't do any research in this video so you know, I saw it and I didn't really care. But there was a video that I just recently saw that they said was in a Chinese theater. And it looked like flames were coming out of the screen and across the top. I don't know if it was philosophical

[Adam White]

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[Adam White]

Games were like this, right? And then video games got better and then they got better. And like philosophically, if you can concede those points, that's the argument that we're all in this like matrix, matrix video game.

[Dave Park]

I'm still.

[Adam White]

That's a philosophical argument.

[Dave Park]

I'm still waiting for the virtual reality deep dive MMORPG that I can just plug my brain into and like live there.

[Adam White]

Yeah.

[Dave Park]

You know, gain levels. Exactly, exactly.

[Adam White]

My video game is pretty dope.

[Dave Park]

Brian, FIS Gibbons. Thank you very much. Someone call Adam White in from behind the curtain. Well, we got him.

[Mike Edwards]

We got him.

[Adam White]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave Park]

Danny Roberts, thank you very much. What was omega? Like how were the team roles or how are they made up? Great interview. Thank you guys.

[Mike Edwards]

So Mega is not like anything like crazy spooky secret or anything like that. I don't, I don't think it's a tactical element. You have, you know, CIA dudes that are contractors. Like you were, you know, running or you're a contractor or you're a blue badge guy. Oh no. But anyway, they doing contract work over there. They're actually controlling the indige. Running around orchestrating what's going on at Target. And for us as the, the military aspect of it. We were the. We were basically like the command and control.

[Dave Park]

Right?

[Mike Edwards]

We were the tie to jsoc. So JSOC could bring in the. The close air support fires, assets. We could bring in the helicopters and things like that because we were there. So we were just a force multiplier. They had their indig. The. The. The ground branch guys controlled them and. And handled them there. And then we just were a. For force multiplier bringing the fires and the assets to the table.

[Dave Park]

And you guys had all the authorities that US Military had, right?

[Main Event Jay Uso]

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[Mike Edwards]

The custody. We could take custody of them. It was just like, I mean they. They're over there just kind of helping out the fight and we bring what we can bring to the table too, you know?

[Dave Park]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam White]

One thing tying back into Exodus that the audience like it deserves mentioning again is that by design these guys did not have affiliation or paperwork with the Afghan government. So when the tape. When the time came to like try and bring them to the United States, like the frustrating part was by design they were literally. I mean it sounds ridiculous in a bar, but they were quite literally part of such a top secret program that they didn't have any of the affiliation.

[Main Event Jay Uso]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

A lot of other guys were like mind blowing and it's sick irony.

[Adam White]

That was like.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, cut out. You're so triple cut out. But it.

[Mike Edwards]

They're quite literally. And it makes it hard for them to get out.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

It was like the.

[Adam White]

But it made me think of the Omega program and the ARU guys, you know.

[Drew McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

And their guys were probably similar to that too. I mean, if not exactly like that. But I know that's one of the frustrating things with trying to get those guys out is because there's not the best documentation kept on them.

[Adam White]

I will say quite, quite literally by. By design. Yeah. You know, literally mind blowing. Frustrating thing is like. No, these guys are.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah.

[Adam White]

The Exodus thing was, you know, it's a whole.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam White]

It was like, you know, I cannot explain to you the frustration of like. Like these guys are so special.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Adam White]

That there's literally nothing for me to prove.

[Dave Park]

Right. But you had people vouching for. For them. You have Americans, thousands.

[Adam White]

From the eyes of like from the State Department. They're just hillbillies from.

[Mike Edwards]

Right.

[Adam White]

Oklahoma.

[Dave Park]

Right, right, right.

[Adam White]

You know what I mean?

[Dave Park]

Like you heard it here first. The State Department hates hillbillies.

[Adam White]

No, but it was like a crazy. Yeah.

[Jack Murphy]

Appalachian Americans.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mike Edwards]

They definitely

[Dave Park]

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[Jack Murphy]

Isn't that the guy?

[Adam White]

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[Mike Edwards]

Yes. He's got afro, doesn't he?

[Adam White]

Yeah. My name is Paul. This between you.

[Dave Park]

Any Huge difference between G Squadron and CAG Recky. And again, that's.

[Mike Edwards]

It's a little different. I mean, that's not my purview to talk about, but, like, you know, I've worked with those guys before, and I couldn't really speak onto that accurately. But, you know, I think, you know, the different aspects, like, the Juice projects are probably more on, like, the stuff that we did kind of stuff, you know, more focused, was. The Recky guys are more like snipers from what I saw. You know?

[Dave Park]

Yeah. D. Do you know if we have anything from Patreon, So from you?

[Mike Edwards]

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[Mike Edwards]

We got a few from Isaac. I'm just going to ask one. Did you work with isa? I mean, obviously you did. You were in J. Yeah, yeah, I worked with those guys.

[Dave Park]

Yeah. So. So where can people find you now if they want to. You know, we've. We've talked about USPA Nationwide Security.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah, that's it. Dot com. That's where I'm at. I'm like the director of VIP security for USPA Nationwide Security. Yeah. Do that from day to day, selling security contracts and working that stuff. And then when we have big events, I'll travel and help manage those events with. With our buddy Brian Fitzgibbons and Dan Manning, the CEO. And then, you know, Mike Evans, the owner of the company, is such a great, gracious guy to bring me on to. I really appreciate everything those guys have done for me. It's literally the best company you could ever dream of working for. I mean, in my opinion. Yeah, I've only worked for a few, but I couldn't imagine anything better.

[Dave Park]

That's fantastic.

[Adam White]

You mentioned, like, mission earlier. It's. It's, like, far from the flagpole for us. Like, we, you know, we chat. It's like. It gives us, like. It's like an Avengers kind of group, like. And, you know, we do real stuff, man. But, yeah, it's. It's been great. I mean, to be this dude's teammate and friend. Like, he's. Mike Edwards is Mike Edwards, you know, but yeah, it's.

[Dave Park]

And Adam White is Adam White. We love you, man.

[Adam White]

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[Dave Park]

Didn't expect, you know, what happened to you?

[Jack Murphy]

Yeah.

[Drew McIntyre]

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[Mike Edwards]

A lot, man.

[Adam White]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, Yeah, a lot. The Hawthorne effect.

[Mike Edwards]

And I appreciate Adam for letting me stay with him last night, and he's.

[Adam White]

Last night was hilarious. So we just lit a fire, listened to the Last Mohican soundtrack. Had Tito's and Gatorade and ice cream sandwiches.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Adam White]

And talked about like the Bible and everything else.

[Mike Edwards]

Yeah. It was a good time. The fire was perfect.

[Dave Park]

Yeah.

[Adam White]

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[Dave Park]

Wait. Tito's and Gatorade.

[Drew McIntyre]

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[Dave Park]

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[Adam White]

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[Mike Edwards]

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[Jack Murphy]

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[Adam White]

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[Dave Park]

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[Adam White]

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[Mike Edwards]

When we were talking about it last time we were together, we were in a hotel in Miami and I pulled my hair back to like the Daniel Day Lewis last. Last of the Mohicans look. And that's what we were talking about. And then he put on the music.

[Adam White]

Yeah. No, I have like the physical cd. Yeah. Last time is awesome.

[Dave Park]

Nothing wrong with that. It's one of the finest movies with one of the finest. That was it. I don't say it was a good movie. The. Yeah, but the, the scene where he takes out like kill scene. Yeah.

[Mike Edwards]

With a hatchet. Yeah, yeah. Every warrior's dream.

[Dave Park]

Yeah, exactly. One of the reasons I carried a hatchet for a while, never got a kill and realized how absolutely uncomfortable it was.

[Mike Edwards]

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[Dave Park]

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[Mike Edwards]

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[Dave Park]

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[Mike Edwards]

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[Jack Murphy]

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[Mike Edwards]

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[Jack Murphy]

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[Mike Edwards]

training you guys are doing.

[Jack Murphy]

What, you know, like, how did that go?

[Mike Edwards]

That's a good question. Yeah, I really love that. That we did, we did a lot of jumps in rrc. We, we. A lot of people consider us being one of the more proficient jump elements out there, but we would jump as high as you go, as high as 35,000ft. Pre breathing oxygen jumping out. Most of what our capabilities we trained around a lot was high altitude, high opening. So jumping the highest you can open a canopy via like US army regs is 25,000ft.

[Dave Park]

Wow.

[Mike Edwards]

So we jump out at 20. You can jump higher than that, but you can't open it.

[Dave Park]

Right.

[Mike Edwards]

So we jump out at 25,000ft right off the ramp, deploy right off the ramp. You're under canopy at like 24,500ft, under oxygen nav boards down with like GPS and like modern day, like GPS and stuff like that. And we can literally fly like different distances depending on the winds, like 30, 40 kilometers.

[Dave Park]

That's amazing.

[Mike Edwards]

So the glide ratio, the ones we were jumping at most of them are about four to one. It depends. There's some out there that are pushing close to five to one, different types of canopies. The ones that most you guys use are four to one. So.

[Dave Park]

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[Mike Edwards]

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