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The Future of Warfare | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS
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This episode explores the future of warfare, focusing on drone technology, countermeasures, AI ethics, and innovative military strategies. Guests with special operations backgrounds discuss current challenges and solutions in modern combat,...
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. We got a special one today. We're joined by John Hackett, Eric Ulrich, Scott C. Scott. What's your last name, man? Because I only see Scott C. Scott Canino.
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Scott Canino
Most people can't pronounce it or spell it, so C works.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Okay, cool. Yes. Scott Casino. They're both with Lobo Institute to do a lot of work with our guy Mick Mulroy. They're right now at the Whitefish Security Summit happening this weekend. I think today's. Tomorrow's the last day, right?
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Eric Ulrich
Yeah, yeah. So it was basically Thursday through Saturday.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Cool. Yeah, it's gonna be happening every year. So I want you guys to go to the link down in the description. Check it out there for future, future events. Super exciting. I think the team house and Eyes on crew is going to be out there for year two, so it's going to be. It's going to be fun. Guys, thanks for joining us. Really appreciate it.
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Scott Canino
Yeah, happy to be here. Thanks for having us.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Of course. So subject for today is going to be the future of warfare future. And also I guess because you guys are all soft guys, right? Former soft guys with a bit of like a. More of like an eyeball on what, like special operations specifically. I mean, we're seeing what's happening now in the Gulf and stuff and in our bases around the Middle east with the Shahi drones, you know, blowing up E3 sentries and KC135s injuring and killing servicemen. I definitely want to start off with like how do we, what can we do to counter that drone threat and why isn't it happening already? That's my question. Because it's, it seems a little, you know, we're like moving in molasses a little bit in terms of like, you know, defending ourselves essentially for lack of a better term.
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Eric Ulrich
Do you want to.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
My thing is like you guys could mud wrestle for it. Whoever wants to take it first, Easy.
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Eric Ulrich
Okay, so D. I'll take that one. Eric Ulrich here, thanks for having us on. It's a pleasure to be able to do this from the White Fish security summit. And you know, we'll get this going specifically in 2018 and 19 and even a little bit in 17. The drones. The integration of drones on the battlespace really kind of started to take effect all the way down to watching, you know, Al Shabaab out in the very remote parts of Somalia, testing and integrating drones into there awareness. And we had to deal with that on the battlefield. And then you know, AQAP in Yemen, they also were integrating and trying to buy DJI drones and see what they could do with it. As, as a seal, I was watching my army brothers in Syria deal with a much higher level of a threat than what we were experiencing. But it was all the way down to, you know, reports of guys on the wall with a 12 gauge trying to like shoot, trap and skeet. But they were trying to, trying to do that was the most rudimentary counter drone defense that you could think of. And so that was, that was kind of the reality of what, what I was watching then. And then now you go all the way to the Shaheed drones which are full motion video guided, you know, terminal guidance by, by a remote controlled operator. And so there's a couple different ways that you have to defeat the drones. You either have to defeat it, defeat the input signal coming in through electronic warfare usually to, to cut that. So then the drone is now pilotless. It's either going to loiter and crash or it's going to return to base or you need to fry the circuitry, some sort of directed energy, either a laser or something of that nature that gets really hard. Lasers are hard because of the power requirements. Seems though Israel is figured that out. But it is a massive power requirement. So you're not going to be very portable with a laser for drone defense. And then last but not least, you can either do some sort of, of damage to the drone itself. So either you got to have nets or you got to have another drone or in the case of some cities, an eagle that flies up and like they're trained to grab those drones and take them out of the sky. So those are your options. The options aren't easy. And when you start to talk about it on a scope and scale, because now we're talking about counter drone technology and counter drone implementation for the Department of Defense, you know, and that, that typically will start with, you know, spec ops are typically the kinds of people that they're putting out there on the very pointy edge. They're usually fairly extended out into, into the battle space and they're kind of alone and unafraid. So they're, they're usually like a little island of, of American policy out there. Now. They're the ones that need it. The logistics is always hard to reach them. The power requirements for a laser type thing are going to be very hard. So now you start talking about how quickly can you develop another drone to, to go up and swarm on an incoming drone and do enough damage to it to drop it out of the sky. Is there something that you can take to fry, fry the circuit, train it, or is there something that you can in place that's got the right spectrum covering the right bits of the spectrum to cut that, that command and control so that it, it will either loiter or return to base. So it's not an easy problem. And it's only compounded when you talk about the, the levels of bureaucracy within DoD to implement change quickly. So that is why we are lagging behind. That's why in 2017, 2018, you had a man on the wall with a shotgun and now why you still have shahid drones going into air bases, even, even in the Gulf countries, the technology has evolved faster on the offensive side than it has on the defensive side. That's as simple as it gets.
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Scott Canino
Yeah. And just to, just to add to that kind of more topically, more broadly especially, you know, Eric gave a good breakdown of the two, really the two main types of defeat being EW or a kinetic defeat. And what you kind of see is as different countries, the US Included, start to figure out, you know, how they're going to defend against drones. And there's different types of drones. You know, UAS is a really broad term and there's reconnaissance drones and tactical drones and kinetic drones. So it's how do you defeat all those things? And just as Eric mentioned, the technology is advancing so quickly. You can't choose a side, you can't go with an all kinetic option. And kind of what I'm seeing To Eric's point of the kinetic defeat and the limitations, the bureaucracy, the funding is those Gulf states have been purchasing U.S. patriot missiles and other kinetic defense systems really for more traditional surface to air uses, not necessarily focused on drones. And you're talking about the time and the money it takes to build, deploy and use a Patriot missile. You know, you're talking, I think it's one and a half to $2 million. Then the limitations on the manufacturing side. I think I heard the total number of Patriot missiles built each year is 600. You know, when you're facing a country that has in the thousands of just Shahid drones can see that there's a
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Eric Ulrich
huge logistical challenge there.
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Guest/Interviewer
What about GPS jamming, guys? I mean, what's the capability or possibility of using this? Also from space based domain, I mean,
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Eric Ulrich
GPS jamming, you know, very well could be another one of those, another one of those ways to sever that umbilical, that pilot umbilical to the drone itself. You know, the risks with doing that are, you know, you have now done that from a space base. Like look at where that cone of jamming is coming down to. And now you're starting to talk about large geographic areas. You may or may not want to, you know, to put that in. And as soon as that drone is out of that cone, if it is on a, on a straight line flight, it very well could be picked up by control from another, from another controller. Pretty easy.
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Guest/Interviewer
And you were talking about the innovation problem. What, what's a good way to kind of get around that? Do you think that we could, like, if we were in control of the DoD right now, we could actually say like, hey guys, implement this to speed up acquisition and production and testing and all that to get out to the field.
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Eric Ulrich
What would kind of be a good
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Guest/Interviewer
way to get about that?
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Eric Ulrich
I, I hate, I hate, I hate for all of these drone conversations to end in the same cul de sac. But I'm going to take us right back into the same cul de sac. I would either take, you know, a handful of SOF operators and put them in a Ukrainian bunker for two to three weeks, or I'd take the smartest people in Ukraine that can come off the front lines and bring them right back to, you know, SOCOM headquarters like that and have them sit down for a week. And then I would say unlimited funds. I need this amount of capacity. How fast can we do it? Because what has occurred over the, over the fight in Ukraine is that the, the relationship between the drone and the operators has changed dramatically. And with the implementation of drones on the battle space now, all of the other types of raids and things that we have grown accustomed to in the, in the war on terror, and I'm sure you had too, John, it's totally changed. It's completely different now. So the, at times in Ukraine, the operator is doing nothing more to, than enable the continuation of a flight of a drone. And that's because, you know, the Russians are good with ew, they're very good with electronic warfare. So you have to, they have had to adapt and adjust the tactics to be able to fly those drones in through the, the layered mesh of EW that the Russians are putting out in order to effectively get the drone to where it needs to, to have the, the effect that they're looking for, you know, the kill, the collection, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever they, they want the drone to do. Zareki drone or a kill drone or whatever. So the, at times the operator isn't the most critical component in it, the drone is. But in other instances, like the longest sniper shop in the world, now, the drone was enabling the operator. So it's, it's, it's this relationship that you gotta come to understand that you're no longer like the center of what this operational act is, and you might just be an enablement as a human in that process. So, like the, the drones, you know, that's how I would do it, John. I would go to where the innovation is occurring the fastest. I would try to pull those smartest people either out of it or get next to them. And then you, you have to clear the bureaucracy. Absolutely. And you have to open up the checkbook. It's that important. And you got to do it. Robert Gates, as the Secretary of Defense, did this during the Gulf War, or, sorry, during the second Iraq war. And it was because of the IEDs and the casualties we were seeing all the Humvees. So he, he just went scorched earth, crossed the board, cut through all the bureaucracy, opened up the checkbook. And that's when you saw the implementation of the MRAPs coming in. And he brought them in a scale future of war, kind of that theme
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Guest/Interviewer
that we're on to. Like, if we were able to actually do that, innovate, now we're there on the battlefield. What would initiative and like seizing the initiative, being on the offensive look like with our own use of drones against an adversary like Iran right now, for example?
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Scott Canino
I think, and this is where I have a more moderate philosophy or approach to a lot of this and you know, even Eric and I might differ on this, is this concept of everything's changing, everything's different, nothing applies anymore, whether it's military or even just the more broadly the AI discussion that's going on across the world of it's going to replace everybody versus the counter argument of is this just going to be another technology that augments human capacity? So I think I fall on the side of the fence of this is going to augment human capacity. Obviously, AI is a technology unlike any that we've ever seen. So it's going to take over and it's already taking over and knowledge, work and things like that, some of the more mundane tasks. And we'll see that on the tactical side as well. So going, you know, whether you're talking about offensive employment or your previous question of how do we adapt quickly, I always go, you know, first principles and precedent. What's the precedent now? What are we doing now that's going to work so we don't have to reinvent the wheel. And to your point of innovating and innovating quickly, we have units in the military, specifically in special operations and that have special R and D and special acquisitions policies in place that we can use to do that. So, you know, again, to Eric's point, yeah, absolutely. Bring those subject matter experts, or I would say those guys are really good at testing R and D, identifying what's the right tool for the job and acquiring it quickly and then field testing it. But they need to be in the scenario. They need to be to face these, draw these drone swarm scenarios or, you know, counter UAS scenarios so they can develop the ttps once they're exposed to it in training. They're really good at finding a solution and they've got those acquisition channels in place to get there quickly. Being technology agnostic, just what's the best tool for the job? So that's kind of where I land on it. Of. And then when you go to the tactical side, again, what works, what doesn't work? Again, I fall on the side of we have things, we have tactics, ttps, doctrines that work, and we need to use these tools to augment them. And they might look a lot like what we have traditionally done in infantry because you have, as I mentioned earlier, different types of drones. You have drones that focus on reconnaissance. You have kinetic drones. So the same as you had reconnaissance units and more kinetic units, light infantry units, now you're just augmenting the capacity and the capabilities of those of those units. So it's on them to Eric's point, get it in the hands of those guys and figure out how a reconnaissance element that's moving forward trying to locate the enemy can augment their capabilities through the use of drones. So falling in on ttps that we already know work and then figuring out which ones don't work, removing them quickly and adapting.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
yeah. I mean we've seen like the debate coming up now about like, you know, autonomous targeting and stuff like that. You saw like the big kerfuffle between the DoD and anthropic, right? Where does, does a human hopefully stay in the kill chain? Right. Like it's not just going to be autonomous targeting and stuff like that. And you know, let's be honest, like even the human being in the kill chain doesn't exactly mean it's going to be perfect either. Right. So where, where do you guys sit on that debate?
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Eric Ulrich
So the first time that I ever saw AI AI completely unleashed an AI targeting in a lethal way was in eastern Libya. And I can't recall if it was 2017 or 2018, but effectively there were some Russian contractors that were on the side of Haftar and they unleashed a wave of drones that had AI AI targeting built into them. And as soon as those drones went
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Guest/Interviewer
into,
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Eric Ulrich
Into the militia lines, they, they just unmercif, unmercifully targeted anything that met the criteria. And the article was written from a survivor's perspective. There were a couple guys that got out of it and I mean they just, they, you know, there is, there is no surrender, there is no wounded, there is no, you know, ethical treatment of prisoners on this. It's, you know, I mean, you were literally talking like, you know, kind of like Terminator days, Terminator type killings. And I was amazed that that did not get more attention. Never even was a blip on the radar even, you know, even in, in like the, you know, the soft and the military circles, it didn't really register. But, so that was the first time it was there. I was shocked and I was like, okay, well it, if your adversary is going to do it, do you, do you, do you truly slow down the kill chain by putting a human in the loop, even if it's for the last, or even if, if it's for a 2 second interval before you put it on terminal guidance? There are ways to maximize the use of what AI can do for you, but still have the proper interruption at the proper times. And personally, I don't believe that you're going to lose a competitive advantage with a 2 second delay or a 10 second delay even. I carried out hundreds of strikes. I do not see that as an impediment to the impact that you need to have on the battlefield with capabilities you have to use. So I personally have an ethical problem by taking a human completely out of a kill chain when it, when we start to talk about robotic or drone warfare. The one other instance of that was basically, it was during the Cold War and it was, you know, the Russians had developed a, a, they developed a missile and if that missile received this, you know, received the, the launch order, it basically went up and transited across Russia and it was emanating the signals for any remaining missiles that were still intact to launch. So it was, it's basically like a dead man's missile. So their, their thought was that if Moscow got hit from a nuclear strike from the United States, they still had potentially the ability to counter attack with a dead man missile that was going to automatically launch anything else they had. So I think that's kind of like the first instance of what we're talking about with, by taking humans completely out of the kill chain. I think it started in the Cold War. The idea did, I think we've seen it be enacted here in, in 2017 in eastern Libya. And then yet again, you know, you now have large amounts of AI driven targeting for sure. And how far that AI goes into the actual kill chain now is probably, you know, it's on a classified level. I, I don't have access to it, but I firmly stand that you have to have a human in the chain on This, I don't know if you see it differently.
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Scott Canino
Yeah, no, I think it's, you know, it's a nuanced answer to a very nuanced subject. How are you. Because there's not a one size fits all in combat. So how are you employing this discussion of in the loop, on the loop, out of the loop? How are you. If you were to get to a point where we're going to accept out of the loop technologies, how are you going to use it? Are you going to use it offensively in an urban environment? Probably not. Are you going to use it in a defensive posture on a defined forward line of operations against a uniformed combatant? That's probably an acceptable use of that. And then to get into the counter uas, how do you counter uas? You get the discussion of decoys and spoofing which is going on right now. You know, Iran will not launch a number of, of UAS that are not armed just to deplete kinetic defenses of Israel and other, you know, other Gulf states. So can a human make that decision to shoot down or to identify which are the decoys and which are actually armed drones? Probably not. That's a good, you know, and there's no collateral damage in shooting something out of the sky, assuming it's just, you know, it's just a kinetic, kinetic drone. So great use of out of the loop and AI targeting where the human doesn't have to decipher that when you only have so many seconds. The humans, you know, that defense system programmed, can go ahead and identify, work through the math, figure out which of the decoys, which are the spoofs, shoot those, you know, leave those, and shoot down the armed drones. So I think with all these things, you have to really specify what you're talking about before we make a decision as a country of we can never accept out of the loop, you know, programming or targeting because there's, there's absolutely applications for it. But, you know, if we want to be, continue to be the leader of the world, then we need to make sure that we have humans and commanders in charge ultimately in the, you know, that kill chain decision.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
What do you say to like, you know, our enemies? Right. I don't, I mean, I don't know if you guys have heard, like, is, is this happening in Ukraine right now? Like, is like fully autonomous targeting and execution happening? Like, because, you know, will China have those ethical qualms that we will. Which I think we should. Right. I think it's, you know, important that we at least discuss it what do you say to the people that say that our enemies won't have those ethical qualms and that could be an advantage to them?
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Scott Canino
Yeah, to your first question, it's absolutely happening. It's happening in the Ukraine right now. There's several examples of that drone swarms that, you know, once launched and authorized, there's humans or completely taken themselves out of the loop. But again, that's a, you know, that's a defensive operation against a uniformed enemy combatant. You know, what do you say? What do we, you know, what do we say to our enemy? We always know that we as the United States are going to be restricted or we're going to have our hands tied in some way because we want to be the leader of the free world. We want to set the example. We also understand that as the leader of the free world and as the world's military superpower, only superpower, I would argue at this point, as the last couple years have demonstrated in the Ukraine and now in Iran, other countries don't want to fight us, nor can they militarily, but they win on the public affairs and the public opinion side. So regardless of what our enemy is going to do and what we're seeing in Iran is in the case of decoys and spoofing, perhaps confusing an AI or a targeter to strike a school, you know, whether that was the case or not, that's certainly a tactic that could be employed by an adversary who knows we can't win militarily. So we need to make this as messy as possible and sway public opinion in favor of our enemy. So I don't think it's any change to, to what we've been subjected to for the last 15 or 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan. We know that our enemies enemy is going to fight without limitations. We need to continue to adapt and evolve and employ these new technologies in a just way.
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Guest/Interviewer
I'm curious more on the technology too you're talking about. If we get a little more specific on like what's the brain of one of these devices look like? Especially we're talking about reconnaissance versus attack. And how does that change and differentiate based on the platform or the objective?
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Eric Ulrich
I mean, so in the very first start point, for any drone, for anybody that really develops them and knows what they're doing, they start with what the, what the payload is. Is it a lethal payload? Is it a collection payload? What's the payload? Then you build the drone around that. So that is, that's in, in the way the drone started. They Actually it all started out 180 from that. It started with a drone and then what, what can we attach to it? And, and, and then it kind of bumbled along for a while. But the true people that are developing these things correctly, they start with payload. So whatever the payload is, whether it's a, you know, a spectrometer, a camera, a cell net, a cell network device, collection device, or a mortar and RPG round, you know, for, for more of a lethal drone then on the drone around it really it just comes down to seven critical parts and all those parts are all the same. It's just in different dimensions or different, different aspects to get what you want. You know, it's the, it's the frame motors, the electronic, you know, speed control, flight controls, sensors, power, and then really the communication. So there's seven critical components and then there's an eighth one if you just add the payload to it. So when you're talking about the brain, it just comes down to that motherboard and how the comms, the speedometer and everything is coming into that motherboard. It's not rocket science and there isn't a big differentiation between a terminal drone or a recce drone. It's really just the payload.
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Guest/Interviewer
And actually you mentioned the direct to sell, which kind of piqued my interest because with the Iran war right now they've got their Internet down, it's like 99% without Internet and the country a huge communication problem for domestic communication to try to get out in the streets, communicate, coordinate, get out and protest and whatnot. And I'm thinking about, you know, in my mind I was thinking about a low earth orbit satellite mesh network solution to try to give them a direct to cell capability. And I'm curious what your thoughts on the feasibility of, you know, without the issue of money or resources, if we could turn those things up, what would be the feasibility of actually using drones to help with that kind of mesh network to actually get the people to communicate with each other so they can get out and take over in the streets?
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Eric Ulrich
Absolutely. I mean, you know, like when you, if I, if I, if I rewind a little bit in the discussion, you just go back to the EW that Russia is putting on the front lines of Ukraine. There are portions of that flight where it's guided by Starlink, which is low orbit satellite system. Right. Low or Internet satellite system. And then there's portions of that flight where it goes all the way to either a line of sight or even almost like the old school antenna, like an HF repeater Yeah, HF repeaters. Right. And so it's different phases of the flight. They have to have different communications that they're controlling the drones with. And that's where I'm talking about the relationship between the operator and the drone. There's portions of that flight where the drone is good and then you got a forward stage, an operator and the operator is actually acting as a repeater with the capability to continue the drone to get it to target. And so yeah, I mean whether you do that with low orbit satellites from, you know, from SpaceX, or whether you do that by drones that are within you know, or Gotana type type capabilities that are lily padding the C2 of that drone. Yeah, it, that's all very doable. It just comes down to funds and how you're going to deploy it, power it and then employ it and use it. Yeah.
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Guest/Interviewer
We were talking a couple of weeks ago about the Kurds in western Iran coming perhaps doing some kind of a conventional warfare activity, you know, getting training perhaps to go over across the border. And to me that sounds like a pretty good layer to add in there. As if they do in fact move in to have that overhead to be able to communicate and also use it as a weapon platform, but also reconnaissance and communication too at the same time. It's like a very robust capability to have this layered activity with drones overhead.
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Eric Ulrich
Yeah. And, and you know, and then,
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
but
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Eric Ulrich
to Scott's point on, it needs to be a tool that enables human capabilities. The, the blend of the drones has got to be different in each instance as well. I mean there, there are plenty of drone companies out there that are making an umbilical drone. So it's, you know, it's attached to an umbilical, it's coming from the ground, it's going up. The payloads on those things can be, you know, whatever. You can have it be as a comms hub, you can have it be as a camera hubs, you could have it act as a cell phone tower and you're feeding it power up the cable anyway. So now you've extended the flight time and all that and it can maintain station. So if you put that on the back of a four wheeler, you put it on the back of a, of a side by side, you put on the back of things, you, it can roll the battle space with you. Providing that on an umbilical that can't EW isn't going to jam your ability to control your drone and do whatever you're, you're wanting to do there. But Then, or that can think could also be kind of like considered like your, your C2 node while you then have these other disparate drones that are going out and doing it. But all of this, all of this, you know, this is exactly as Scott's point. You got to get these kinds of things in the hands of the people that are the most innovative, that have the right authorities already in place, that have the right budgeting to match it, to just get after it. And you know, one of the things that really opened my eyes about the reality of what's going on in Ukraine was listening to how they would mass assault force to have an effect on a target for a very short period of time. Recce drone goes out, it's gathering the information, it's pumping that information into basically, you know, an attack. So everybody is getting at the same time. But now what used to be a, you know, a 40 man infantry platoon or a 40 man assault element, they're not, they're not patrolling in 40 people. They're coming from all points of the compass. They're riding battery powered motorbikes, singles. And if one or two of them get hit by Russian drones, the majority of the time it's, it's actually hitting the motorbike. Next guy just comes by and picks up the guy that, that need to lift and they are massing from all points of the compass to have the effect that they need to. And then they're dispersing again. And, and you know, just if you think about that for a minute, there go the days like you're only mastering the combat power that you need for a very short period of time. And you're getting them there in a very innovative way. You're not putting them in a Bradley, you're not putting them in a CH47 within 5 km of the target. You're not doing the things that we learned and we were able to do successfully because of battle. Space has changed.
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Guest/Interviewer
And actually I was thinking about something a little topical. The pilots just went down today in Iran and thinking about the way we used to do personal recovery did not include drones and now I'm sure it does. I'm curious in a future situation with a little bit more time to actually integrate, kind of the best way to use these platforms, especially looking at where the pilot went down, it's like 300km from friendly lines, so you've got line of sight problems. There's obviously terrain issues and enemy issues. You know, what's kind of the way forward. If you, if you could crystal Ball it.
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Scott Canino
Crystal balling anything in this space right now is a challenge.
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Guest/Interviewer
That's why it's fun.
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Scott Canino
You know, so it's like, you don't want to use the term crystal ball. It's more like magic wand. You know, if you could magic wand anything right now, obviously anything that you can use autonomously gives you a competitive advantage against the enemy and preservation of force. It's a big magic wand to create a UAS system that has a payload of 200 to 250 pounds. Like I said, that's a big ask. So I think kind of just being more judicious with where the technology is headed, current capabilities and limitations. I think the. Absolutely. You've got the recce drones. I don't think today, fortunately for those pilots and everybody that was involved in the search and rescue, that the surface to air missile was a threat. But if you still did have a surface to air threat, drones to confuse, destroy, overwhelm those systems to allow something with a large, more traditional means, rotary wing, with a larger payload to go in, locate and extract those pilots, I think that's, that's more of a crystal ball versus the magic wand. You know, if I could wave it and have a capability tomorrow.
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Eric Ulrich
Yeah, yeah.
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Guest/Interviewer
I wonder too if it could be used for authentication or something with like signature measurement or something like that as well, to kind of figure out like, is this the guy? Is he where he's supposed to be, when was the last time he was there? That kind of stuff as well.
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Scott Canino
Yeah, absolutely.
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Eric Ulrich
Do you think it's, do you think it's quicker to implement the drones, larger style drones, or do you think it's quicker to implement a flight control system that is driven off AI to basically remote pilot in a little bird or something that's already in the assets. Yeah.
- [38:44]
Scott Canino
You talking as like use it like a flight lead.
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Eric Ulrich
Yeah, I'm just, you know, so instead of putting two pilots at risk to go get a pilot, you're. You're putting something with an autopilot in it. Yeah. It's using the same asset. Yeah. To close the distance. I mean, if it gets smoked. Well, you didn't. You don't have two more people on the ground or two dudes dead. Yeah, yeah.
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Scott Canino
I was just thinking, my first thought when you said that was more of the discussion of drone enabling the operator. Operator enabling the drone. You know, now we have flight leads that spend a lot of time to do all that planning and lead a rotor wing force in. I was thinking a drone leads the force in now, you know, not just necessarily for navigation because pilots obviously do that really well, but defeating threats and, you know, identifying the individual. You're trying to pick up all the navigation and everything like that.
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Eric Ulrich
Yeah, Junior, it's almost like a remote jtech.
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Scott Canino
Yeah, I was gonna say trying to crystal ball this space right now is just, it's advancing so so quickly. Countermeasures are advancing so quickly. New technologies every day countering technology. So it's, yeah, it's a, that's, it's a challenge, Junior.
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Eric Ulrich
Man, walk out, you're all fired. Yeah.
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Scott Canino
You know, that's what you're doing.
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Eric Ulrich
Yeah.
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Scott Canino
Here's your, you know, here's your L shaped flashlight and your pistol. Go in and go and find it. That's, you know, that's how again it comes down to, you know, to basics. What works, what do we know works and that's how we're seeing the employment of these things. Even how we used canines during the global war on terror to get something mobile in front of the assault force. Okay, well what if we can get something and that's not a human, what if we can get something that's not even a living organism that's easily replaced or more easily replaced than a canine. So that's kind of where my brain goes every time somebody asked me a question on tactics or employment or how do we incorporate this into the assault force? It's like, okay, well what are we doing now? How can we augment it? And what tasks can we replace? Just like we're doing in the corporate world. What tasks can we replace to free the, the, the guy on the ground up to do more important work or to keep them safer at a preservation of force.
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Eric Ulrich
You know, it goes beyond like we're definitely focused kind of on that, on that last like kind of kinetic, but you know, the last 10 yards, the kinetic piece. But if you rewind that a little bit, you know these UGVs, the unmanned, you know, ground vehicles, look, there's multiple articles, there's multiple instances here where they've got an M2, so a 50 cal Browning machine gun, you know, belt fed, mounted up plenty ammo and it is in this sector. It is whole is holding up enough pace of a fire every now and then and sporadically from different locations. This denying the Russians the ability to advance. It comes offline for a two hour stint, gets maintenanced, reloaded, it's right back up there crawling around doing it. I mean there's multiple Z's, the ability to resupply your force. If you do have Folks that are out there really far forward, and maybe they're the ones that are enabling those drones in that last, you know, that comms lily pad that we've been talking about, the ability to resupply those people without getting, you know, a Hilux shot or destroyed. It's a small UGV with a box of bullets, band aids, beans. And they put lots of them out there, and they're just slowly moving through the landscape, and they just know that they have a GPS coordinate to show up at. I mean, you know, it's. Yeah, it just, you know, it. It kind of goes on and on. We talked a lot about the air
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Guest/Interviewer
component, and now we're talking about UGVs. What about the subsurface underwater capabilities? Are those developing kind of on par, or is that sort of an afterthought as far as the drone, the air drone thing that really grabs headlines?
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Eric Ulrich
Well, I think that the airpiece is definitely more publicized, but whether it's surface or subsurface is absolutely. Is it keeping pace or is it slightly behind? Personally, I think it's slightly behind, but it's absolutely not forgotten. I mean, the Russian fleet had to come out of the Black Sea. I mean, you think that that wasn't because of persistent maritime drone swarms? You know, and, and it's everything from jet skis to now really revolutionized, you know, fully submersible or semi submersible drones that are, then, they are. They are going off AI targeting and video feeds to come in and swarm and hit those, hit those, those ships repeatedly. So, no, I, I think that the, the maritime aspect is, Is just as important. I just think it, it just isn't quite as much of a headline grabber, but it's. It's absolutely.
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Guest/Interviewer
Yeah. Especially with the counter mine stuff that we're talking about. Like the US Got rid of its four minesweepers. We got the littoral combat vessels that are not supposed to be used for that, that are metallic. Japan has these wooden boats that they actually use for mine sweeping, and these
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Eric Ulrich
all have people in them.
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Guest/Interviewer
And what you were just talking about, you know, removing the person back a little bit past that line of COVID and concealment so that the thing in front of them can actually action it. I mean, this sounds like a good place also for this unmanned capability.
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Scott Canino
Yeah, that seems like a really simple solution. You know, doing it the way we're doing it now reminds me of the sappers and, you know, Iraq driving roads to locate IEDs by making them explode.
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Guest/Interviewer
Driving as fast as possible.
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Eric Ulrich
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
- [44:13]
Scott Canino
Versus yeah and adding some armor to it and hoping for the best. So yeah, that's just, it's a great, great opportunity for employment for preservation of the force. Especially in a. Just in a denied space.
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Eric Ulrich
So generally though like the trend is take the human out. I mean, you know the M1A1 Abrams tank is so much more effective without people in it. People is actually limiting factor of that tank and the tank is designed to preserve the people inside of it. You could take half of that armor off and make it twice as fast and a lot more lethal if you didn't have to have the armor protect people. Same thing with airplanes. I mean the F18 can out pull the pilot. That's what there's, there's more or less a governor cap in the F18 because you can pull that, that plane will do or that jet will do more GS than the pilot can withstand. Right. So if you take that out now, you're increasing the capabilities of your assets but then that puts us you right back into the well, okay, at what points are you going to inject the human control so that you can, you can, you can ethically say that you are still within the laws of armed conflict and you do have the ability to take prisoners. You do have the ability to attend a wounded that are on the battlefield. You do have the ability to do those things that fall within laws of armcon.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
So moving more towards the naval capacity, I wrote in like the outline about aircraft carriers and I wish we had Andy Milburn on here today. He's in, he's in Riyadh and he's jet lagged so he couldn't make it because he's a fervent, he's fervently opposed to aircraft carriers. And we do see it what's happening in the, in the Gulf right now. Like our aircraft carrier had it back up about 300 miles from where it was because we're worried about ballistic missiles and probably shaheeds. Are aircraft carriers worth the 13 plus billion dollar price tag that they're on? When will they even be effective in a fight versus China?
- [46:25]
Eric Ulrich
Okay, so I would love. And I'll give Andy a call. I've got his number.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Okay.
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Eric Ulrich
And I, I thought about your. When you inject that in the outline. I thought about it a lot. D so I appreciate you bringing it up. I absolutely loved and continue to love a sovereign piece of the United States that I can put within 12 miles of any coastline I want on earth and stage and do whatever I want off of it, you cannot replicate that. Now in certain instances due to a ballistic missile or a drone threat, you either are going to develop a better countermeasure which puts the onus on our intelligence community to go out and surreptitiously get the components that are going into that final seeker head so that you can develop the right countermeasure for it so that is ineffective, or you, you got to back it off just, just like what happened here, you know, with, with our, with our aircraft carrier coming out. 300 miles, fine, 300 miles. You can still, you can still push in at times for critical things and take that sovereign piece of US territory to then have and, and do, you know, combat capability, support or launch operations to do it. So does it have to be an aircraft carrier? No, I am not fully wedded to an aircraft carrier. It could be something cheaper, but at the end of the day it's got to be something that has the capabilities to launch, you know, aircraft or munitions, launch boats, launch amphibious vehicles and have the ability to project power that is, is a floating island of US power that you can project from. I don't want to give it up.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, I mean I, I mean I would love to have Andy here, but I mean this from, from what I've gathered, from what he said in the past, and I kind of believe it too, it kind of seems like a big target and like even, you know, Iran's not even technologically advanced. Right. And we're having an issue. I mean we haven't been hit, thank God. But somebody against China who's like, their whole doctrine is basically, you know, big part of it is trying to sink aircraft. American aircraft carriers, how do they survive? Like how many SM3 missiles can you like stick on there to like or stick on destroyers around it to, to fight off a drone swarm or ballistic missiles, anti ship missiles.
- [49:07]
Scott Canino
I think it just ties back to the same discussion of innovating and iterating and finding the right solution. Again, I'm not in the doom and gloom party that AI is going to replace everybody and these technologies are going to replace everybody. We're going to get to the countermeasure solution to protect those aircraft carriers. And as we discussed previously, we might be able to extend the range of the platforms that operate off of those carriers because they're no longer manned, some of them or all of them are no longer manned. So they don't have to be within, you know, firing distance of some of those projectiles, but you know, full faith that countermeasures will get There at the same time that unmanned platforms will start to take over and increase the lethality range with, while, you know, maintaining preservation of the force.
- [49:53]
Eric Ulrich
Yeah, it's, it's going to evolve. It has to. You know, I mean, they, they used to call the frigate. I don't, I don't want to use spell language here on your podcast.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
You can go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.
- [50:11]
Eric Ulrich
But, but they called it the Douche. It emanated all the signals of the aircraft carrier. And the aircraft carrier was silent still, you know, do flight ops and all that stuff. But it can do. It comes dark and that was, that became the electronic aircraft carrier. So anything that was inbound that didn't have FMV to it would be going into, into that. Right. There are ways to put like sacrificial lambs out there to do things to confuse the battle space enough so it can still work and still have the ability to project power. And, and like I'm saying, I'm not wedded to that $13 billion price tag for, you know, a 5,000 person manned aircraft carrier, but I am wedded to the ability to have something that is US Sovereign piece of territory that you can jam anywhere you want to it and start project power. You can't replace that.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, it's going to be interesting. I mean, I hope there's, you know, nerds in a room somewhere figuring out ways to do this. Like, seriously, I mean, because we've seen what's gone on with the Iran operation. Like, it seems like we're really behind and it's unfortunate, right, because we've had over four years of, to see what's been going on in Ukraine and stuff and see like the innovations they've made. And it's kind of a bummer. Like, we haven't made those same innovations because we know what's coming, right? Or at least have that arrow in your quill or whatever, right? Like be able to protect, you know, have some force protection.
- [51:44]
Eric Ulrich
So. Can I rewind a little bit, please? We were, we were, we were dancing a little bit on the, our inability to effectively do mine countermeasure operations. And that is due to a systemic problem that we have had now for over a decade. And we've lived through it and it's still currently happening, but it's called continuing resolution. And what happens as our nation has become more polarized with politics and the left and the right continue to kind of grow further and further apart, is that with different priorities and dying on that sword or willing to fall on that sword and not approve an annual budget and only do it in short segments. What it is, what happens is systemically the long program items that you have in your defense capability, your ability to produce ships, your ability to produce submarines, your ability to produce strategic bombers, your ability to crank out strategic munitions, that goes away because you don't have a steady funding stream. Instead you have continuing resolution, little, little bits that go here, here, here and here. But it undermines the long term programmatics of your defense capabilities. And so now the mine counter or the MCMs have gone away, the US does. And so effectively, yeah, you need a wooden hole, non magnetic ship to be able to go in there with right search surface, subsurface bottom and do the searches, to be able to basically mine countermeasure operations. And we don't have it. It's out of work, it's out of our quiver. And that is a, an absolute secondary impact because of our inability to pass annual defense budgets, which is driven by our political polarity. And we've had it for too many years. And this is the first instance where we're really seeing it on a strategic level and it's playing out. But this is, this is, this is, this is a systemic problem is the polarization of politics. Unfortunately, and I'm apolitical, sometimes I vote left, sometimes I vote right, depending on what I see as the most important issue at the time. Not registered in either party. But that's reality of how the political polarization is playing out in our defense readiness.
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Scott Canino
And D to your wish. I can tell you those nerds do exist. But better than that, because I'm not one of those guys. Those are the guys I call to ask questions. Those are the guys that used to program my radio because I was incapable and now they're working on these much more complex problems. So I'm reaching out to them constantly trying to, you know, what is, what's new in the space? What's new, what's. Because the space is becoming crowded quickly because there's a need and there's capital available. So how do I, you know, separate the wheat from the chaff? You know, what, what are the, what are the good technologies and what shouldn't I spend my time on evaluating so we can incorporate into our training. But better than that is the problem solvers. The, you know, the guys that are going to actually employ it who have now moved on from active duty are also entering the space. So I have a lot of friends that have moved on to UAS companies. You know, it would have been unheard of. Ten years ago, the guys that were just doing con, not just doing contracting, but doing contracting and working in the defense space, you know, selling uniforms and body armor and things like that, are now all towards gravitating towards uas, encounter UAS for the same reasons. So the problem is being solved by a lot of folks. That's why I'm so confident that we'll get to the right solutions. You know, and since only popped the lid on politics, I wasn't, I wasn't going to go there. Certainly not on your podcast. But you know, it's like, how do we, how did we win World War II? We mobilized as a country and built a manufacturing base that our enemies couldn't keep up with. And we're in a similar situation right now. But it's technology. So how are we going to innovate with these new capabilities, these new technologies, artificial intelligence, autonomous systems, things like that? How do we innovate and iterate and employ faster than our enemies? And that goes to the broader discussion of within the states, you're seeing to this political division. Some states are really wanting to regulate AI at a state level and other states are opting to let the technology just kind of, you know, let the market decide where this technology goes. And I think until the federal government, they started to step in most recently and do what they can as far as executive orders to just kind of let, let the technology develop, give it some guardrails, some obvious guardrails for safety of citizens and things like that, but just let the, let the market decide where this goes, tie our hands behind our back while our enemies, as we discussed earlier, are doing none of that. In fact, a lot of these technologies are state sponsored in the case of China. So not only are they free to, you know, they're iterating freely, but they're being backed by their, their federal government. Just some of the things that we need to resolve as a country and kind of come together and, and, and solve this regulatory issue. We can't have 50 states each regulating AI and autonomy differently. How are we going to power these engines, get on board on those big problems and understand that we are at critical mass right now with this new technology and its capability to be used against us. And we need to be innovating as fast as we can. We're so competitive right now. We've been ahead of our peers because we've got a culture of innovation and incredible entrepreneurs, incredible founders, and we need to support them and not hamstring them through regulation or, you know, Billionaire wealth, taxes, things like that, that force them to. That make it harder to create these small startups and. Or, you know, move offshore.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be an interesting next few, you know, five years to a decade. Listen, I hope AI, you know, cures cancer. You know what I mean? It's, it's like. It's a killer pitch, right? Like it's a killer pitch for raisins seed funding.
- [58:17]
Scott Canino
It already killed or cured cancer in a dog in Australia. Wasn't that cancer that the guy?
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
I don't know, but I was way
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Scott Canino
through, diagnosed his dog, came up with a solution and. Yeah, that's, that's real. I don't know if it was cancer, but he definitely saved his dog. So.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, listen, I hope it makes the world a better place and doesn't like, you know, enslave us all or if it doesn't slave us all and gets us all out of jobs. Like at least like, you know, some universal basic income or something. Right. Like so the human race can actually like survive while we're not where we don't do anything.
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Eric Ulrich
Yeah, just like.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, like the Matrix.
- [58:50]
Eric Ulrich
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Guys, what. What are you guys up to? Let's talk a little bit about Lobo and what you guys doing. Also, Eric, I'd love to talk about end child soldiering too. That great. Not for profit or charity that you guys run.
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Scott Canino
Yeah, yeah.
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Eric Ulrich
So Lobo, you know, we advise, consult and teach, we act and, and really as it relates to, you know, kind of the future of warfare on that teaching aspect of it. We have absolutely pressed since we started Lobo in 2019 to develop facilities and a mindset of pushing the envelope. And we are, we have, you know, we've. We've got a great urban range or, sorry, rural range down in south central Montana. It's about 70,000 acres in total that ties in all sorts of public land. And we have all the relationships in place, but, you know, we have everything you need to, to, to kind of challenge and run realistic training for the tactics that we know right now. And what we did was in 2020, we pressed to make sure that we had the. Also the right FAA permitting to do all of the unmanned drone integration as well. I saw how important that was. I knew it was going to be the next evolutionary step kind of warfare. So our ranch manager, great guy named Bill Wood, he did that. So we, we have the air ground speed waiver, the nighttime waiver, and then there's. There's one that's kind of the holy grail it's really hard to get and it's a beyond line of sight waiver. And so it's, it's a very unrestricted airspace, south central Montana. It's very remote. So we have the ability to train and run all of these, this drone integration into either mobility training or ground training or a combination thereof. So we've been doing a lot of winter mobility training over the last couple years. We're now evolving that into, you know, the summer, spring, summer and fall. But that ability to, to, to walk, to help these units break this evolutionary step and not just get in, in, in one thing that's going to get them killed, but let, allow them to have the right air assets, drone assets, and the right range facilities to do things like come in from all points of the compass on motorbikes or razors or things like that and run these style of FMPs and let them work out the TTPs that work for them. But we're ready to help. And then we have everything in line and we're in discussion with multiple, multiple numbers of units to come out and do that. Whether that's federal or DOD doesn't matter us. So that's kind of the main focus that we have right now on Lobo is, is really just making sure that we're a part of the dialogue for these guys to come out and we have the right ways to facilitate them, to help find what the new tactics, techniques and procedures will be for them to take that next step. In addition to, you know, we, you know, this is the first annual Whitefish Security summit that we have going on. And, you know, that's basically, you know, kind of soft meets intel meets influence.
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, I'm excited about it. I'm definitely excited for like us to come out there and like, you know, set up a ton of interviews and stuff like that be a part of it too. So like if everybody wants to check it out, the link is in the description for the white fish security Summit. They had General Stanley, Stanley McChrystal this year as like the keynote. You know, it's pretty big wig. You know, it's a big wig. Scott, what are you up to? You working with Lobo? Are you doing anything else? Like you tell me about yourself. Also, Scott, I have a question, question for you too. I'm going to ask you publicly. We had John Hackett, he had to jump out real quick because he had another. He had a BBC interview or something he had to jump to. We've had John on the show on team house. We've had Eric on the show, we've had Mick on the show. When Scott Canino coming on the teamhouse to talk about his career.
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Scott Canino
I'm happy you just, you come to Montana, sign up for one of our training events and we can go, we can go at length into my career and everything I learned now. Yeah, I would love to have you guys up for the white peer security summit or any other event. I think you guys would really benefit. Just as Eric had mentioned, there's a lot of folks that would be happy to sit down with you. You could do a really a best of show. I was fortunate enough a couple years ago, Eric and Mick brought me on to kind of head up Lobo tactical and the vision there as they were already running it was let's fill the holes that a lot of other training companies aren't doing. Winter warfare is easy in Montana based on setting. But better than that, we have guys on staff, Eric, a lot of our mountain guides that have done this real world. So we take, it's complimentary. We take the best of the tactical world. We take the best of the civilian recreational world. We marry those two up. So those are the instructors that are in front of students and you get the best lessons learned both from a recreational side, how to do conduct things safely, tactical side, you know, how do you keep yourself alive and remain deadly. So heading up Lobo tactical and really again, we're just trying to find those, those training opportunities where we believe based off of our backgrounds and our network that are out there developing technologies like UAS encounter, uas, get those in front of the guys and then really the entire training philosophy is, is we're not just going to, you know, to dictate how you do business. It's come in and it's, let's focus on the why, what are you guys trying to do? And let's work with you to understand how you develop these ttps, because again, we're generally not training traditional small unit tactics. We're employing these technologies, what we're doing in a winter environment. Every unit has a different requirement, a different mission. So we just want to have the conversation with you, help you develop these tactics and ttps, but most importantly, understand the why. Because eventually you're going to leave us. You're going to go do this real world, the environment, the battleground is going to change. And you still need to get to the best end, state the best solution, and you may not have us next to you to do it. So I want to facilitate the discussion so everybody knows how to communicate, how to be tough on one another and how to solve problems.
- [68:48]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, sounds like I'm in, you know, if I was a cop or a DOD guy. It does sound like super interesting. And I want everyone to check it out. Those links for everything are in the description down below. Eric, talk to me about it and child soldiering again, one more time, because that's.
- [69:04]
Eric Ulrich
Yeah, and child soldiering is, you know, I mean that, that came about after Mick and I really, through the eyes of two former child soldiers that had been involved heavily with the Lord's Resistance army in northern Uganda. So that was, you know, Darfur. And there was this army that was made almost entirely of children, 20 plus, 20 plus thousand kids that had been weaponized. And they were, they were, you know, extraordinarily lethal guerilla fighters. But through the eyes of two child soldiers that came out of the bush and then had started to help the Uganda government, you know, in ways that, of not killing kids, but, but bringing, drawing kids out of the bush to, to reintegrate them into society. We, we saw how dark and how cancerous the art of child soldiering is. And so we decided to do something about it. We made a documentary. That documentary then has led to a book, all the Glimmering Stars. It's for sale on Amazon and part of the proceeds of the book go towards a 5:1 C3 we stood up, which is called and Child Soldiering. And in child soldiering, we are, we have, we're centering, what we're looking to do is we're looking to stand up, basically a center of excellence in Uganda. And what it'll do is there's no place on the planet that is, is, you know, it's a place for the trainers to come and get trained. If you train the trainers.
- [70:38]
Scott Canino
Right.
- [70:38]
Eric Ulrich
I mean, it's, it's, it's a military moniker. We adapt during the G, like hey, train the trainer. They go back. It's an exponential return. So there's nobody really doing that in the child soldiering realm. And unfortunately, the child soldiering realm is growing. Even just the other day, Iran just lowered the age for military mandatory military service at 12. Every single year our ILIs are given a pass on the funding of the use of child soldiers. I personally watched when desperate parents in Somalia had no more to pay their taxes to Al Shabaab. They had no more camels, they had no more money, they had no more, more crop to give to Al Shabaab. So they gave them kids crazy. Al Shabaab was taking the kids and turn them into an army. Right. So yes, it's growing and it's growing across the planet. It isn't just something that happens in Somalia. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's across, it's growing. It's, you know, all the way down through like Central and South America, the Philippines, Colombia. It's alive and well. So we are, we are acting and through in child soldiering. We're looking to stand up this center of excellence in Uganda. It will be the first train the trainer because that is the place we know has done the complete cycle. And there are a number of retired retirement re recovered child soldiers there that can walk the whole process through effectively to other people that come there for them to then go back and, and start to do that where, where they live, where they, where they have child soldier problems.
- [72:27]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
The website, if I remember correctly, is endchildsoldiering.org it is, it's a dot org.
- [72:32]
Eric Ulrich
Yep.
- [72:33]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
That link is in the description. If you, anybody can donate a little bit of money to it. It's a righteous cause for sure. You know, it's, you know, insane to really think about and like look at and see what's going on in the world with kids. Like. Right. Like kids aren't supposed to be fighting in wars. Guys. Incredible show. Scott. You'll think about it, right? The team house.
- [72:57]
Scott Canino
Yeah, you can get it. I'll think about it.
- [73:00]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah. Because. Because I'm relatively relentless too. You know what I mean?
- [73:03]
Eric Ulrich
Yeah. DIA is like a pit bull.
- [73:05]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
I'm trying to get the whole, you know, whole Lobo, you know, the about us page. I want to get all, everybody.
- [73:13]
Eric Ulrich
Oh yeah, yeah.
- [73:14]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Because there's some incredible people on that
- [73:16]
Scott Canino
about, say if you add the advisors that'll take you a while. There's a lot of them.
- [73:20]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, I know that's the thing. I've been chasing Andy Hartzog for like a year. Two years.
- [73:25]
Eric Ulrich
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [73:27]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Mum's the word out of Andy. It's been tough, but I will not relent neither on you.
- [73:32]
Eric Ulrich
Scott Whitefish Security. Somebody should just come on up.
- [73:35]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Yeah, no, but I like getting one on one because you guys can get a little bit more in depth, you know. Come on. We don't want it. We don't want to, like a quick 30 minute. We want to. You know, you guys had insane careers. You should, you know, a lot of time should be allotted for it, I think.
- [73:50]
Eric Ulrich
Yeah, no worries.
- [73:51]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Cool. Got to think about it. Okay, I'll write that down. I'll check in again with you in like a couple months. Don't worry, guys. A pleasure. Really appreciate this.
- [74:01]
Eric Ulrich
Thanks D. Appreciate everything you're doing, man. Have a great.
- [74:04]
Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
See you next time.
- [74:08]
Eric Ulrich
Hey, guys, I want to take a moment to tell you about the Teamhouse podcast newsletter. If you go and subscribe, it's totally free and what it will do is aggregate all of our data, all of our content that we put out, the
- [74:22]
Guest/Interviewer
things that are on the team house
- [74:24]
Eric Ulrich
on our Geopolitics podcast, eyes on things that I write journalistically with Sean Naylor on the high side, anything else that we have going on, books, we recommend, upcoming guests that we have coming on the show and also, you know, filtering
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Guest/Interviewer
in some fun stuff in there as
- [74:43]
Eric Ulrich
well if you'll go and check it out.
- [74:45]
Guest/Interviewer
We send it out just once a week. We don't want to spam you guys.
- [74:48]
Eric Ulrich
It's just a kind of rollup of
- [74:50]
Guest/Interviewer
all of our content on a weekly basis.
- [74:53]
Eric Ulrich
You can find our newsletter@teamhousepodcast.kit.com join again. The website for that is teamhousepodcast.kit.com join.
- [75:05]
Guest/Interviewer
So we hope to see you there.
- [75:07]
Eric Ulrich
The link will be down.
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Janet Freeman Daly
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Janet Freeman Daly
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Health Discovered Host
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Danielle Robay
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Eric Ulrich
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Health Discovered Host
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Janet Freeman Daly
I'm Janet Freeman Daly and I've been living with non small cell lung cancer since 2011.
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Health Discovered Host
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Janet Freeman Daly
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Health Discovered Host
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Danielle Robay
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Eric Ulrich
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Janet Freeman Daly
When I first heard the words you have lung cancer, I was in shock.
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Health Discovered Host
This week on a special episode of Health Discovered, we're taking a closer look at a common form of lung cancer that accounts for 85% of all cases.
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Janet Freeman Daly
I'm Janet Freeman Daly and I've been living with non small cell lung cancer since 2011.
- [81:10]
Health Discovered Host
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- [81:24]
Janet Freeman Daly
There are some things you used to be able to do that you can't do anymore. It's easy to become depressed when you're dealing with all those losses. So mental health plays a really big role.
- [81:34]
Health Discovered Host
So what does it really mean to advocate for yourself when you're living with non small cell lung cancer? Listen to Health discovered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [81:48]
Danielle Robay
Hey, this is Danielle Robay, host of Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, a podcast where great stories, bold women, and irresistible conversations collide. You know, cotton is a part of so so many of life's everyday comforts, from what we wear to what we wrap ourselves in. And it's especially present in the quiet, cozy moments like reading a book you can't put down. Which brings me to our new segment, the Book Nook, where we explore the rituals that make reading feel just right. For me, that means Cotton Everything. I live in la, it's summer, and even when it's warm, I want to feel wrapped up and relaxed. When I'm home, I curl up with this super soft cotton blanket. It's lightweight and breathable and perfect for long reading stretches. I've got my favorite matching cotton lounge set on too. It's basically my reading uniform and I'm nestled on my couch by the window, iced coffee clinking, book in hand. It's truly my ideal reading setup. Thanks to Cotton for bringing this segment to life and reminding us that comfort and style can go hand in hand. Don't forget to check the tag for cotton, and if you want to learn more, head to thefabricofarlives.com Whether it's slots
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Janet Freeman Daly
When I first heard the words you have lung cancer, I was in shock.
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This week on a special episode of Health Discovered, we're taking a closer look at a common form of lung cancer that accounts for 85% of all cases.
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Janet Freeman Daly
I'm Janet Freeman Daly and I've been living with non small cell lung cancer since 2011.
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Health Discovered Host
Non small cell lung cancer. It's a diagnosis that changes everything and yet the conversation around it too often stops at the biology and misses what patients are actually living through every single day.
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Janet Freeman Daly
There are some things you used to be able to do that you can't do anymore. It's easy to become depressed when you're dealing with all those losses. So mental health plays a really big role.
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Health Discovered Host
So what does it really mean to advocate for yourself when you're living with non small cell lung cancer? Listen to health discovered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Danielle Robay
Hey, this is Danielle Robay, host of Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, a podcast where great stories, bold women, and irresistible conversations collide. You know, cotton is a part of so many of life's everyday comforts, from what we wear to what we wrap ourselves in. And it's especially present in the quiet, cozy moments like reading a book you can't put down. Which brings me to our new segment, the Book Nook, where we explore the rituals that make reading feel just right. For me, that means Cotton everything. I live in la. It's summer, and even when it's warm, I want to feel wrapped up and relaxed. When I'm home, I curl up with this super soft cotton blanket. It's lightweight and breathable and perfect for long reading stretches. I've got my favorite matching cotton lounge set on too. It's basically my reading uniform and I'm nestled on my couch by the window, iced coffee clinking, book in hand. It's truly my ideal reading setup. Thanks to Cotton for bringing this segment to life and reminding us that comfort and style can go hand in hand. Don't forget to check the tag for cotton, and if you want to learn more, head to thefabricofarlives.com what's up baby?
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Eric Ulrich
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Janet Freeman Daly
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Health Discovered Host
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Janet Freeman Daly
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Health Discovered Host
Non small cell lung cancer. It's a diagnosis that changes everything and yet the conversation around it too often stops at the biology and misses what patients are actually living through every single day.
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Janet Freeman Daly
There are some things you used to be able to do that you can't do anymore. It's easy to become depressed when you're dealing with all those losses. So mental health plays a really big role.
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Health Discovered Host
So what does it really mean to advocate for yourself when you're living with non small cell lung cancer? Listen to Health discovered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Danielle Robay
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Janet Freeman Daly
There are some things you used to be able to do that you can't do do anymore. It's easy to become depressed when you're dealing with all those losses. So mental health plays a really big role.
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Health Discovered Host
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Danielle Robay
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Janet Freeman Daly
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Health Discovered Host
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Janet Freeman Daly
There are some things you used to be able to do that you can't do anymore. It's easy to become depressed when you're dealing with all those losses. So mental health plays a really big role.
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Health Discovered Host
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Danielle Robay
Hey, this is Danielle Robay, host of Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, a podcast where great stories, bold women, and irresistible conversations collide. You know, cotton is a part of so many of life's everyday comforts, from what we wear to what we wrap ourselves in. And it's especially present in the quiet, cozy moments like reading a book you can't put down. Which brings me to our new segment, the Book Nook, where we explore the rituals that make reading feel just right. For me, that means Cotton Everything. I live in la. It's summer, and even when it's warm, I want to feel wrapped up and relaxed. When I'm home, I curl up with this super soft cotton blanket. It's lightweight and breathable and perfect for long reading stretches. I've got my favorite matching cotton lounge set on too. It's basically my reading uniform and I'm nestled on my couch by the window, iced coffee clinking, book in hand. It's truly my ideal reading setup. Thanks to Cotton for bringing this segment to life and reminding us that comfort and style can go hand in hand. Don't forget to check the tag for cotton, and if you want to learn more, head to thefabricofarlives.com Whether it's slots
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Janet Freeman Daly
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Health Discovered Host
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Janet Freeman Daly
There are some things you used to be able to do that you can't do anymore. It's easy to become depressed when you're dealing with all those losses. So mental health plays a really big role.
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Health Discovered Host
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Hey, this is Danielle Robay, host of Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, a podcast where great stories, bold women, and irresistible conversations collide. You know, cotton is a part of so many of life's everyday comforts, from what we wear to what we wrap ourselves in. And it's especially present in the quiet, cozy moments like reading a book you can't put down. Which brings me to our new segment, the Book Nook, where we explore the rituals that make reading feel just right. For me, that means Cotton everything. I live in la, it's summer, and even when it's warm, I want to feel wrapped up and relaxed. When I'm home, I curl up with this super soft cotton blanket. It's lightweight and breathable and perfect for long reading stretches. I've got my favorite matching cotton lounge set on too. It's basically my reading uniform and I'm nestled on my couch by the window, iced coffee clinking, book in hand. It's truly my ideal reading setup. Thanks to Cotton for bringing this segment to life and reminding us that comfort and style can go hand in hand. Don't forget to check the tag for cotton, and if you want to learn more, head to thefabricofarlives.com you know what?
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SpinQuest Advertiser
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Eric Ulrich
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Podcast Host (Teamhouse/Eyes on Geopolitics)
Even if it if it means sitting
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Eric Ulrich
front row at a comedy show.
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Scott Canino
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Eric Ulrich
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Scott Canino
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SpinQuest Advertiser
Oh no.
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Eric Ulrich
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Scott Canino
We're married.
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SpinQuest Advertiser
Me to a human, him to a bird.
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Scott Canino
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Danielle Robay
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