1. King Trump is Here and Christians Bend the Knee

Summary

The Tim & April Show - Episode 1: "King Trump is Here and Christians Bend the Knee"

Release Date: February 21, 2025
Host/Author: The New Evangelicals
Description: Where we unravel faith, politics, and culture.

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Introduction and Launch of the Tim & April Show

In the premiere episode of The Tim & April Show, hosts Tim and April announce the launch of their new platform, expanding from the previous Friday recaps to a twice-weekly live broadcast every Monday and Thursday at 12:00 Eastern. They emphasize their move to focus more intensely on politics and culture, particularly dissecting the rise of Christian nationalism and its impact on American society.

Notable Quote:

Tim [00:56]: "We are here doing it. We're doing."

Christian Nationalism and the Emergence of King Trump

Tim and April delve into the phenomenon of Christian nationalism, highlighting how it intertwines with political power. They discuss the symbolic portrayal of Donald Trump as a king-like figure, scrutinizing the implications of such representations.

Notable Quotes:

April [07:08]: "This goes against the actual American Constitution... it's also a very unchristian thing."
Tim [02:47]: "We're going to be calling this the Tim and April show... helping you decode so much of the Christian nationalism that we're seeing."

Donald Trump as the Antichrist: An Analysis

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing Trump through the lens of traditional Evangelical teachings about the Antichrist. Tim outlines seven broad statements traditionally associated with the Antichrist and correlates them with Trump's actions and rhetoric.

Notable Quotes:

Tim [28:20]: "Donald Trump is the Antichrist. He's about as opposite from Christ as you could get."
April [27:05]: "Donald Trump... checks off a lot of the boxes that I was taught the Antichrist would be."

Collaboration between Trump and Elon Musk: A Dangerous Alliance

The hosts examine the relationship between Donald Trump and Elon Musk, criticizing their joint appearances on conservative media platforms like Sean Hannity's show. They argue that this alliance signifies a dangerous convergence of political power and technological influence, potentially leading to authoritarianism.

Notable Quotes:

Tim [41:21]: "Mr. Musk, you said... But after fact check, this was sent to Mozambique, which makes sense why condoms were sent there."
April [52:00]: "They're just patting each other on the back... what Elon Musk is doing is great. He's saving the country."

Dehumanization and Its Consequences

Tim and April explore the detrimental effects of dehumanizing rhetoric against immigrants and LGBTQ+ communities. They cite instances of policy-induced trauma, such as the ASMR deportation videos and their impact on individuals, including tragic cases like that of an 11-year-old girl whose suicide was linked to bullying over her family's immigration status.

Notable Quotes:

April [72:06]: "The demonization of immigrants is absolutely disgusting and vile... don't let authoritarians win the mental game."
Tim [70:08]: "There's such blatant dehumanization... a young girl's death by suicide because she was being bullied about her alleged immigration status."

Hypocrisy in Christian Nationalism

The episode highlights the hypocrisy within Christian nationalist circles, pointing out the discrepancies between professed Christian values and the actual behaviors of prominent figures within the movement. They discuss how figures like Trump and Musk contradict the teachings of Jesus, particularly regarding love, empathy, and humility.

Notable Quotes:

April [76:33]: "You cannot say you are following the teachings of Jesus if you are willing to demonize entire groups."
Tim [39:35]: "Lest we forget that Donald Trump Jr. said at America Fest... that's a great example of Antichrist rhetoric."

Call to Action and Hope for the Future

Concluding the episode, Tim and April urge listeners to resist the overwhelming influence of Christian nationalism and authoritarianism. They emphasize the importance of empathy, love, and standing against dehumanizing ideologies. They highlight positive examples, such as Governor J.B. Pritzker's stand against authoritarianism in Illinois, as beacons of hope and resistance against rising tyranny.

Notable Quotes:

April [96:17]: "There are more of us than there are die-hard MAGA people... we're not going to let fascism just walk in."
Tim [93:43]: "Democracy requires your courage. So gather your justice and humanity, and do not let the tragic spirit of despair overcome us."

Closing Remarks

Tim and April reiterate their commitment to providing a platform that challenges the prevailing narratives of Christian nationalism and supports a more compassionate, equitable society. They encourage listeners to subscribe, engage with their content, and join the movement towards positive change.

Notable Quote:

April [97:04]: "We have to call it out and not be afraid... do not let authoritarians win the mental game by us letting them have rent-free space in our head."

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The Tim & April Show sets a strong foundation in its inaugural episode, positioning itself as a critical voice against the intertwining of religion and authoritarian politics. Through thoughtful analysis and passionate commentary, Tim and April invite listeners to rethink prevailing ideologies and advocate for a more just and empathetic society.

Transcript

[Tim]

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[April]

You're listening to a new evangelicals production, the Tim and April show, where we unravel faith, politics and culture.

[Tim]

Hey, good job, April. High energy.

[April]

I know. I got it going. I got it going.

[Tim]

You got it going. Hello, friends, welcome first ever official live stream broadcast of the timid April show. So good to be here with all of you. We are broadcasting this on the new Evangelicals channel as well because maybe you don't know the news that we are taking the Friday recaps that we've been doing for the last year and moving it to its own show, going to a twice a week format live on Mondays and Thursdays at 12:00 Eastern on a whole new platform. So make sure if you're on the new Evangelicals live stream, tap the link below to subscribe to the Tim and April show on YouTube. And this is also on podcast. So welcome, welcome, friends. We are live. April, good to see you again.

[April]

Good to see you too. I'm so excited we finally are doing this. We've talked about it for a while now. I do think we need to address the elephants in the room.

[Tim]

Okay, go ahead.

[April]

Which are, which are the initials of the Tim and April show that I learned from Tim. And I was like, oh, we could make a little, a little icon and we could just say like TNA for a little social, like the little social media. And Tim was like, no, no, we can't.

[Tim]

I was like, why do that?

[April]

It's like that means something different in certain, in certain worlds. And then. And then for the record, I figured it out. I figured out what it meant immediately. But so anyways, we will not be going by the tna.

[Tim]

We will not be doing that. That's for a different part of the Internet. Yeah, different show, different part. Usually there's a paywall behind that. Uh, so it, that's not really our vibe. You know, we're not really in, in, in that space of the Internet. We live more in the politics, culture and faith section. So we'll be calling this the Tim and April show. In its entirety and not the TNA show. Because what's in a very different audience.

[April]

My in laws were visiting us recently and they were like, oh, you're starting a new show? Yeah, it's called the Tim and April Show. And my father in law said, don't call it the TNA show. I was like, wait, do you know what that means? He's like, yeah, I know what it means. You know what it means? Said, yeah. And then we just kind of stared at each other.

[Tim]

I love. I love this so much. I'm dying. Yeah, so we're not going to do that again. Friends, if you are just joining in on the new Evangelicals live stream, this is also being broadcast to our official channel, the Tim and April Show. The goal long term, friends, is to move this format over to its own show and own platform. And that's for a few reasons. I mean, maybe you're new here to, to this channel. Maybe, maybe it's your first time welcome, by the way. And so we, the New Evangelicals, there's kind of now two shows. We have the new evangelicals YouTube channel and podcast, and we're going to cover theology. What's the Bible say? How do we handle church abuse, mental health, stuff related to people who are deconstructing their faith and trying to find a better path forward in their faith. As April and I saw the rise of Christian nationalism, we realized that, really, we realized that there's so much more to cover that might not fit just on one podcast format. So that's why we are launching the Tim and April show, because we really want to be in the space of politics and culture. But helping you decode so much of the Christian nationalism that we're seeing happening all around us that a lot of other pundits and media people just don't have the eyes to see. Right. So we are also limited in our skill set. We only know so much. But what we do know is that the worlds both of us come from is really impacting how we're, how people are feeling and what we're seeing happen in politics and culture right now. So on Monday's broadcast, we're actually going to dig into our stories, give you guys the history of kind of how we went from conservative borderline, in my case, almost Christian nationalists, and in April's case, a Christian nationalist.

[April]

Full on.

[Tim]

Yeah. And how we left it and started this work. If you're just joining, make sure you hit that like button. It would help us out so much likes. Tell YouTube to recommend it to more people. And this is a brand new channel. The Tim and April show is brand new. Only 2,000 subscribers. So please help us push it out. Please do your part. It'd be so helpful. Hit that, like, button. Um, yeah. I mean, I'm just so pumped, April. I'm so pumped that we're doing this. I'm. I'm pumped with how it came together. I love the branding that we developed. I love the singer that we made. It just works so well. I'm. I'm just happy.

[April]

I am happy as well. And we are doing it.

[Tim]

We're here doing it. We're doing.

[April]

The thing about this crazy, crazy world.

[Tim]

We are. We are.

[April]

Literally, like, right up. Up until this, we were like, oh, we need to talk about that. Oh, yeah, we need to talk about that. Like, we had an order. And then we're like, wait, we forgot this huge story. We're like, oh, shoot. Yeah. So this is why we're going live.

[Tim]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[April]

But Monday and Thursday may not even.

[Tim]

We need to cover it. Yeah, we'll see. I. I know a lot of you out there are really scared and really worried about what's happening, and that's why we started this show. We want to be able to be with you as much as possible, to help you navigate and know that you're not alone and that what you're seeing truly is wild. I mean, we. It's wild. And, yes, you are being gaslit. And, yes, what people are saying in politics, especially in the Trump regime, is straight up propaganda. And it is our commitment to you both, for me and April, that we are here hopefully trying to anchor you as you anchor us. This is very much reciprocal, that. That what you're seeing is the real thing, and that this is not humor, it's not sarcasm, that they're not. That they're not making jokes. They are very serious. And we're going to cover some of the newest. I don't know, the newest developments of King Trump and how what we're watching is just so, so unbelievable. I mean, it's. I don't know, maybe we start with the King thing.

[April]

I mean, why would we start with that?

[Tim]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[April]

Especially the White House.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[April]

Yeah. I saw someone post the screenshot of the official White House posting an image that looks like the Time magazine cover, but it's a picture of Trump with a crown on, and it says, long live the king. And I went. I was like, there's no way this is real.

[Tim]

There's no way.

[April]

Right?

[Tim]

There's no way this is.

[April]

This is my actual screenshot. It just says, Trump, Long live the King. Like, not only is this, like, go against the actual American Constitution, like, our, like, America was founded to get away from kings and queens and monarchies. So, like, not only is this, like, a very un American thing, but it's also a very unchristian thing where it's like, no king, but King Jesus is the right that is in. Sung in worship songs all over the world, and here people are celebrating. Now, to be fair, I do think they're trolling us.

[Tim]

You think so?

[April]

I do think part of it is trolling because, like, I don't know, I almost. There's a piece of me that's like, is this a distraction to just distract us and get us all worked up over this? To. To not pay attention to all the other awful things that he's doing over here? You know what I mean?

[Tim]

Well. Oh, goodness, April, I have so much to say about this because.

[April]

Say it. We have a show for a reason.

[Tim]

You're right. No, you're right. You're right. We're live. I can take my time. This is not an Instagram reel. Right. I can build the argument here. There are two things that we have to highlight, and they're both very different. The first thing we need to highlight is how, remember for a while we heard, like, white Christian nationalists saying, no Christ but king, or Jesus Christ is king. And we knew for some of these people, it was a dog whistle of anti Semitism. Right? So. So you would expect these people to look at this picture of Trump with, like, with an actual crown on his head, posted by the White House that says in the bottom left hand corner, long live the king. You would imagine, you would absolutely imagine those people to go absolutely wild and say, no, there's no Christ but king. Instead, though, it's mum. So that's. That's point number one. Okay, the second thing I need to highlight and, and, and for those of you out there who grew up in church like I did and went to Sunday school as a. As a little child, little Tim had his awana cubbies vest on. I went to Sunday school. One of the earliest stories, teachings, lessons you learn as a child in especially the white evangelical church, is you learn how the Israelites in the Bible, okay, one of their grave missteps was that they never trusted God and that they always wanted a physical king to rule over them, right? And. And God did that by giving them kings that oppressed the Israelites. Now, I'm condensing a lot of history. I'M giving you the narrative I was given. There's more to it. Okay. Which, again, you can follow us on the New Evangelicals to hear more of the biblical side of that stuff. But my point is that I was taught beware of people who want kings, beware of people who don't want to follow God but want a physical king of who's corrupt and who's bad. And I'm watching those same Sunday school teachers like this. I know, it's funny.

[April]

They like. Yeah, what?

[Tim]

What?

[April]

So let me. Let me clear. I think. I think two things can be true. I think they can absolutely be trolling people, and I think they could also be showing us who they are at the same time.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[April]

Like, I don't. I think this whole Trump's administration and the people that he's put himself around him and the entire GOP right now is enabling a dictator. That is who Trump wants to be.

[Tim]

100%.

[April]

That is who he said he wants to be. He is literally, like, he's literally breaking constitutional barriers right now by bypassing courts and bypassing Congress to just evoke all these executive orders. And both him and Musk are saying that what they're doing is legal, despite it not really being legal, but they're doing it so fast and so destructively that people don't. Like, people don't know what to do. Like, this should be stopped. Republicans, really, because they're the ones with the power in the Senate and the House right now should be stopping it. They're the. You know, Republicans historically have been the party of the Constitution. They're Constitutionalist.

[Tim]

Right.

[April]

But they are literally just closing their eyes and holding their nose, like, being like, no, it's fine. He can do what he wants. Like, the gymnastic, the mental gymnastics that these people are doing to justify how Trump is doing what's normal. And then, like, gaslighting us being like, no, y'all are the ones doing illegal stuff.

[Tim]

Yes.

[April]

Like what?

[Tim]

Yes. And we're gonna pull some of the. We have some clips from Elon and Hannity talking about that or Elon and Trump talking about it. That we'll get into for sure.

[April]

Yeah. I. I also want to say, too, I think this is a little bit of a narcissistic move because Time magazine posted that cover of Musk behind. In the Oval Office behind the desk.

[Tim]

Yes. Yes, you're right.

[April]

And I think Trump's like, you think Elon's president. I'm the king.

[Tim]

I'm the king.

[April]

You know, like, the egos are this big you know, just look at that.

[Tim]

This is, and this is like, this is not some random right wing account. This is the official White House account. And the caption reads, in all caps, congestion pricing is dead Manhattan and all of New York is saved. Long live the king. President Donald J. Trump, first off, posted that about himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, what, what, whatever happened to states rights? I mean, why is the federal government and federal government intervening now in New York City? I'm just saying, like, like nothing actually is consistent with them. And that's because, friends, in the world of right wing politics, authoritarianism, and in Christian nationalism, truth is always subservient to power. So, so, so their true north is not what is the value we're advocating for. The true north is what will give us the power that we want. This is why Trump can say with a straight face, on one hand, states rights when it comes to things like abortion, right? We shouldn't get in the middle of that and then at the same time get involved in New York City's congestion pricing and then say, I'm a king. Look how, look, look how good of a job I'm doing. Seriously. And then his base goes, on one hand, President Biden was a tyrant destroying America, and then the White House can post this picture, literally, of Trump with a crowd on and say, long live the king. And they go, oh, no, it's all good. He's just kidding. Because what actually animates them is not the truth that we're against tyranny. It's the power grab of what gets us in charge. That's what we're seeing here. And that's really dangerous, especially when people like that have a lot of freaking power, right? So, oh, God. I mean, it's just, I just want to know where are, where are the white evangelical moderates that were kind of like, well, guys, both sides, both sides are extreme. Like, like, where's your red line? Where are the people who are like, look, I voted for Trump as a Christian. I didn't like it, okay? He wasn't my favorite, but I just thought it was better than Harris. Where's your red line? Where's your red line? I really want to know. You know, where is your red line on this? I am waiting. Was it when Elon Musk did a Nazi salute during the inauguration festivities? Was it when Trump crowned himself as king? Like, where's the red line for these people? It's unbelievable to me, frankly.

[April]

Well, clearly they don't have a line yet. They have been smitten by the power that Donald Trump gives them. And so they are willing to justify just about anything that he does because that's easier than admit you were wrong about something. But this picture, as well as various things that have happened since Trump became president in 2016, really point to this almost idolatry of Donald Trump. Like, like people are worshiping him in a way. Now, obviously I haven't heard anyone actually say like, oh yes, we worship Donald Trump, but actions speak louder than words. And remember in CPAC a few years ago, there is a literal golden statue of Donald Trump that they rolled in. Do you have a picture of that?

[Tim]

Wait, do, do you mean this one? April, you mean this picture of person bowing down and worshiping a golden statue of Donald J. Trump from a few years ago?

[April]

I do, I do.

[Tim]

This is a real picture, people.

[April]

The one. And here's the thing. That guy, maybe he's making a joke. Who knows at a certain point, like, it doesn't matter if you're being trying to be funny because of what people say about you. 100% people were, people got mad at us. They were like, oh, you're fear mongering that Donald Trump's a dictator, he's an authoritarian. Literally what he's doing right now is 100% authoritarian.

[Tim]

A hundred percent. 100%. Frank me really quick. I just wanted to say if you're just joining the stream, welcome to the first ever Tim and April show broadcast. We are broadcasting right now on the New Evangelicals YouTube channel and the Tim and April Show YouTube channel. There's a link in the description if you're watching on the TNE broadcast because we are moving this show over to the Tim and April show starting probably the next few weeks. So make sure you subscribe. Give this video a like, just want to throw that, throw that, that in there. April, sorry to cut you off in the middle of that, but I totally agree with you 100%, which is why I think we should get to the main overarching theme. And I've been thinking about this, okay, I've been thinking a lot about this. Is Trump the Antichrist? Now look, I mean there is a tongue in cheek title and there, but there is some if, if I had my old school white evangelical hat on and I still believed all of it, right? The same way I was taught to believe it is Trump the Antichrist that they described. Now what I did was I did a little bit of digging and I know that the term Antichrist is kind of broad and depending on, on which part of the Evangelical tradition you're in, you might have some different ideas, but I did find, like, seven broad statements, okay? Seven broad statements that. That will tell people that the Antichrist is among us. All right? The first one is that the Antichrist will claim to be God. And I have. I have thoughts on this that we're going to get to. Number two is that he performs miraculous signs, three, commands global worship, four, speaks blasphemies, five, persecutes true Christians, six, establishes a global economic system, and seven, suffers a fatal wound and is miraculously healed. And I've been thinking about this because. Because there are actually, again, if I was in evangelical mode and I was one of these, like, end times pastors, I could easily tie all seven of these claims back to Trump. Each one. I mean, Trump himself, right, guys? Not only does he totally entertain the Messiah complex when, when he had the assassination attempt, right? And he. He started talking about how God saved him for a time like this, that God has his hand on him. I have. Let me show you guys a video from the. Oh, God, this stuff.

[April]

It blows me up from the inauguration ball.

[Tim]

No, not that one, because this is. That.

[April]

That's.

[Tim]

I'm. We're going to get there, too. Okay? There. There is a Messiah complex that we have to get into to kind of outline watching this happen in real time. Let's see if I have this video here. I know I pulled it. Let's see. So. So I'm over here. Um, this is from America Fest, friends. This is turning point USA's thing with. It's a. It's a huge Christian nationalist rally. I was there in person when I heard. This being said, I go to these events every single year. We are releasing our full recap on the New Evangelicals YouTube channel in just a little bit. But there's something that this, this pastor, his name is Andrew Sedra. He's from Australia. I engaged with him on the floor. We talked for 30 minutes. It was very difficult to get even a word. And he just talked over me the entire time and couldn't listen, which is expected. But hear how he talks about Trump and Jesus and tell me where one stops and the other one begins. Let me find the clip. Okay, listen, Just listen to this opener. How are you going? America Fest. Anybody here still believes that Jesus is king? I'm saying, anybody here still believes that Jesus is the king of kings and he's not selected, he's not elected, he not voted in. Being a king is who he is. Being a king is what he does. And guess What? He was born this way. If you believe this, America first. Why don't you give Jesus a shout of praise? Okay, so Jesus is king. Jesus is king. Yes. Jesus is king. And guess what? You can't kill him. You can't impeach him. You can't try to assassinate him and accidentally miss him. You. You can't try to put him in jail for 750 years. Because Jesus is king and Jesus is Lord, and Jesus reigns. Can I get an amen? Can I get an A, woman? Oh, we'll stop there. Where's the line? How do you go from Jesus is king to you can't assassinate him, you can't impeach him? I mean, like, you're blurring the line so much. People are cheering this. People are cheering this, April. It's unbelievable. So. So this is the first thing I wanted to show you. And then. Yes, let's go ahead and get to this gem. Now, friends, I gotta be honest. This might get. Hopefully it doesn't get copyright. Copyright struck. Because YouTube is so sensitive. I tried to pull this off of, like, a live stream. This is at the. Was this at the Liberty Inaugural Ball after Trump got elected?

[April]

Yes, the Trump's Inauguration Ball. Correct?

[Tim]

Yeah. Okay, so this is someone painting a picture of Trump while this music plays. Underneath of it, it's worship. Okay, I'm gonna pause it here, so I don't want to get copyright struck. But the song is called the Blessing. It's a very popular worship song. And the lyrics are, may his favor be upon you. And while this is being sung in this really emotional moment, this woman is painting a picture of Trump. A picture of Trump. What a weird, idolatrous thing to do. And I'm not even like a super conservative Christian these days. I'm much more progressive. Right. Even I know, like, not a good look to have a worship song about Jesus and how good and how good, you know, Trump is.

[April]

It was especially cringy because the video that she posted, and this woman's name is Vanessa Ora Buena, she does this like that. She normally goes into churches and paints pictures of Jesus, supposedly. But she did this. And what. What was most distressing to me were this crowd shots of people worshiping, like, to the song while she's painting this picture of Trump. And even she was lifting her hands and, like, worshiping as she was doing it. And then he holds up the picture at the end on display, and all the crowd just cheers. And the worship song is still being played about God, but they're cheering for Trump, it's so I. This one I don't think will get copyrighted, but you can watch the video a little bit better with this. But someone I. I shared that video on my Instagram as well, and someone had commented that I should add the audio from the Ten Commandments scene where they bring out the golden calf. And I. So I put that audio over the video and worked really well.

[Tim]

Let's do that. I'll pull that. I have to pull it from here. Unfortunately, this is the only way I can do it. Let's see. All right, this should work. Here we go. This is from your Instagram. Let's pull this up. From the beginning.

[April]

They were as children who had lost their faith. They were perverse and crooked and rebellious against God. They did eat the bread of wickedness and drank the wine of violence, and they did evil in the eyes of the Lord.

[Tim]

And the people cried, the graven image hath brought us joy.

[April]

And they worshiped the golden calf.

[Tim]

I mean, how much clearer can it be? Like, that overlays so perfectly. So incredibly perfectly. So that was the first point I wanted to hit. And I also wanted to mention this just in case people weren't convinced about the whole Messiah complex thing. So we have. First, we had, years ago, Trump being made in the image of a golden statue, which to anyone, again, who grew up in church should know, golden calf alert. Like, this is a bad idea. But it got worse. Then books came out. Okay, this is a real book. I own a copy of it. Actually, I don't have it in front of me, but it's on my bookshelf. President Donald J. Trump, the son of man, the Christ. This book gets thrown around in his circles. The author goes to his rallies, hands out his books. If that's not enough, there was a second book that came out called Christ Trump Persecution of a Man. I mean, these are real books being made. Unbelievable.

[April]

There's songs. Remember the chosen one song that came out after. Was it after he was shot or before he was shot? It was in the summer.

[Tim]

Oh, wait.

[April]

The songs that she was like, I'm standing with the chosen one. It was literally about Donald Trump. There's no stopping what the Lord's Begun. I unfortunately know that stuck in my head.

[Tim]

Yeah, you know it really well. Good job.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So we have these books that come out. We have the Golden Calf, and then we have this. Trump gets in, he gets elected. And it turns out, according to Patriot Takes that at Mar a Lago, a bizarre golden hoofed goat idol is on display. And the idol is wrapped in Trump $100 bills that say, in Trump we trust, replacing God with Trump. And then the idol's base says, I love you with Trump's signature. And here's a picture of the money that is on this. Now, April, is it just me? If this was Biden, If Biden had this at his home? Within Biden we trust. Can we just sit with that for a minute? This is real.

[April]

What is wild to me is I grew up in these worlds, right?

[Tim]

Yes.

[April]

Every single election season, I have heard conservative Christians talk about how the Democrat running for president was the Antichrist, could be the Antichrist every single time.

[Tim]

Right.

[April]

John Kerry, Obama, Biden, even Kamala Harris most recently. Every single time.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[April]

Donald Trump, though, actually checks off a lot of the boxes that I was taught the Antichrist would be. And it is just wild to me how they cannot see that at all. Like, they're like, oh, Donald Trump's just like King Cyrus. Donald Trump's just like King David. And I'm like, he is kind of like a biblical figure. The Antichrist is screaming to be seen. It's right there. Like, literally, like an almost fatal head wound to the head.

[Tim]

Hello. Hello. Some called a miraculous miracle or a miracle that he wasn't assassinated with a headshot.

[April]

Oh, my gosh. And there's that verse that. I don't know if you were taught this, but when I literally would sit through End Times sermon series where they would go through like, here's the Antichrist. And one thing that I remember being taught was that the Antichrist will deceive, if possible, even the elect. So they're like, some Christians will even fall for it. And I remember thinking at the time, no way. What Christian could fall for the Antichrist? It'd be so obvious. And why?

[Tim]

I mean literally, literally, Trump is claiming to be God by removing in God we Trust on the $100 bill and putting himself there. If that's not a clear present day example of claiming to be God in our own culture, what else is? What else?

[April]

Never had to ask God for forgiveness, Right?

[Tim]

Right. Exactly. He commands global worship. Right. He wants the world to love him and bow down to him and the country. And also persecutes true Christians. What do you think happens when. When he stripped the USAID of funding, do you think it affected real Christians across the world, including our asylum seeking Christians in America, as funding for non government organizations NGOs got stripped of their ability to provide food and shelter for the very asylum seekers, many of them who were Christians in This country. Right. And that establishes a global economic system horizon like the trade wars. I'm just saying, if I was going to be this conspiratorial. It's so easy to make the connections of how Trump is the modern evangelical Antichrist that I've been warning about my. I've been warned about my entire life. Like, he is that person.

[April]

You know, I went to the grocery store about four years ago. This is connected. And I came out and I had a little piece of paper on my windshield that someone had left, and it said, elon Musk will create the 666 mark and that he will bring out the mark of the beast. And he is the false prophet. And I remember at the time being like, this is so random. Elon Musk. But now I'm like, actually, maybe that guy had a point. I've deconstructed the whole, like, premillennialism rapture stuff. Like, I don't. I don't believe in the Antichrist in the way that I was taught it would be. I believe Trump is obviously Antichrist. Like, he's about as opposite from Christ as you could get. I don't necessarily believe in that anymore.

[Tim]

Right.

[April]

Let me just say, if Trump's administration comes out and says you have to get a mark on your forehead or the back of your hand in order to buy or sell, I'm going underground. We're starting the underground church. Like, I know you refuse that mark. You do not take that mark. I know I'm going to get my head chopped off by a guillotine. Like, it's on. I've been prepared for this.

[Tim]

Or maybe a neuralink chip. Right? Maybe if the neural link Elon has the neuralink. They're literally plugging people into computers with their brain. And not one white evangelical is like, maybe we should be sus of that. Maybe that's. These are the same people. Have you ever seen that? That viral video of the woman explaining how monster can is actually a demonic, like symbol, and she's breaking down all these really wacky ways. These people will look so deep on what's on a can of an energy drink, the monster can. But then when Elon Musk is like, you know, let's plug people's brains directly into computers. And Trump is like, you know what? How about instead of in God we trust, in Trump we trust. They're like, oh, I don't really see it. I don't really see the whole Antichrist thing. No, I don't think that's it. That's definitely not the mark of the beast. Like, unbelievable.

[April]

Literally, just be like, oh, you're just mad you lost stupid lib. No, it's like, right, Right. It's just obvious.

[Tim]

And, and maybe, maybe that's, like, maybe that's, that's, that's the hook here. Right. Is like, for those of us who grew up in these conservative Christian spaces, a lot of us, when we left or were forced out, I would like to think we're just being consistent with what we were taught to do. Now, obviously, April, both you and I evolved a lot, and our theology grew and expanded. But my go, like, it's unreal to watch. The Sunday school teachers that raised me, they taught me this stuff. They taught me to be on the lookout for the Antichrist and not to worship false gods and not to be like the Israelites who couldn't trust God to lead them. It's just wild to watch the sycophant messiah, like, nature of the worship of Trump happen in real time, only to be told by so many of those people, it's not what you think. No, it's not what you think. No, you're. He's just fooling around. He's just trolling you. No, he's not just trolling us. And this isn't, this isn't. We haven't. We haven't even scratched the surface yet. We will throughout future shows, of course. There's so much to get to every day. This doesn't even touch. Scratch the surface on. Surface, on the playbook that Trump is pulling from that leads to authoritarianism and fascism. Like, all of this stuff actually is part of a playbook that leads somewhere. It leads to real tyranny. It leads to real harm for all of our neighbors who are not like them, white and patriarchal and usually men. So it is just unreal to watch the white church that was so worried about persecution and the Antichrist and, you know, biblical values. It's so sad to watch them bow the knee and kiss the ring of one of the most inhumane, dehumanizing, bigoted, xenophobic, you know, narcissistic abusers we've ever seen in the White House. It is, It's. It's almost four years into doing this work, April. Right. Full time. It's still unfathomable to me. It really is.

[April]

I know. I mean, I, I pretty much got ousted from a lot of my community because I wouldn't. Just because I didn't vote for Trump back in 2016. It was like I had committed, you know the cardinal sin of not voting for Donald Trump and I was like, what? That's the cardinal sin? And then like, that's worse than. Ugh, it's so. It's so obnoxious. What makes a great pair of glasses at Warby Parker? It's all the invisible extras without the extra cost. Their designer quality frames start at $95 including prescription lenses plus scratch resistant, smudge resistant and anti reflective coatings and UV protection and free adjustments for life. To find your next pair of glasses, sunglasses or contact lenses, or to find the Warby Parker store nearest you, head over to warbyparker.com that's warbyparker.com hi all. My name is Rhiannon and I live in Central Oregon. I have been a T and E.

[Tim]

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[April]

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[Tim]

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[April]

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[Tim]

As I slowly make my way out.

[April]

Of the basement, T and E is.

[Tim]

Bringing so much light and hope that we can all be better and do better.

[April]

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[Tim]

The current norms, but instead we can.

[April]

Challenge those norms and be the change.

[Tim]

I am grateful every day for the new evangelicals and encourage anyone who can to support this important work. All right, we're back. How about that? I got commercial breaks. Look at that. Trying. Trying to build this thing a little bit.

[April]

Yeah, that was very impressive. And just before everyone's like, that was very Tim heavy. I agree. It was very Tim heavy. I was supposed to have an add in for my book Star Spangled Jesus, but my kids were home from because of snow again this week and I didn't get it done.

[Tim]

So thank you for saying that because I know I can hear people already. Of course Tim would do all the, all the commercials. It's the first one. We're trying some new things here. Okay, friends. But I do. The goal is, you know, especially during these lives, we might need a break to kind of reset and get some things prepped. And also it's good to be able to have other announcements about the work that we're doing as an organization or the book that April has out or other things. So anyway, I'm excited to be here, friends. It's Good to be with you. We're back with the Tim and April show again. Welcome in. Make sure you're following us at the Tim and April show on YouTube, because this stream will start living exclusively on that channel in the next few weeks. So. All right, April. So we covered my thesis that if I was still end of the world rapture evangelical, if I was using that lens I was given, Trump would really fit the bill for a lot of the things I should be looking out for when it comes to being the Antichrist. Now, obviously, I don't believe in necessarily the Antichrist, but I will say this, and then I'll give it over to you. We'll get into Elon Musk and Trump. I'll say this. I do believe that Trump is an Antichrist, right? Because really what it means is someone who resists the way of Christ. If you read the Sermon on the Mount, if you read the Beatitudes, if you just read some of the basic teachings of Jesus, they are completely at odds with the way Donald Trump and his regime operates in every single way, right? Jesus says, blessed are the poor in spirit. Elon Musk says, screw that. Blessed are the powerful and the rich and the wealthy. Jesus says, love your enemies as yourself. Donald Trump says, persecute your enemies. Get them out of our country. They're not really real. Jesus tells people to welcome the stranger and the foreigner. And Trump calls them poison that's killing America. They're poisoning the blood of society. Right? So I just think it is important to realize that I'm never going to ever say that a Democratic nominee or president is somehow Christ. Like, we don't use that language to describe our politicians. And if people watched our show before this one, they know that we critique the Biden administration heavily for their enabling and their funding of the genocide of the Palestinian people. So certainly what I'm not saying is that if Trump is the Antichrist, whoever was on the left is somehow Christlike. But when white evangelicals and many white Christians, the majority of them consistently tell you that one party embraces biblical values and the other does not, then we have to step in and say, actually, if we're going to hold you to that metric, Trump embraces none of the teachings of Jesus that you claim you live by. And that's important to, I think, just point out as we go along and as this show develops, that's going to be a common theme for us. We're going to hold these people to account for the words that they say versus the actions that they live. Because There is a huge discrepancy.

[April]

Yeah, well, and, and we're seeing that too. Like Russell Moore, he did an NPR interview a year or two ago and said that he had talked to several pastors and they were, they were saying how sometimes when they would teach the teachings of Jesus like the Sermon on the Mount, someone from the congregation came up to the pastor and said, why are you teaching that woke crap.

[Tim]

Right.

[April]

And he was like, well, that's literally the teachings of Jesus. And he said, oh, well, that doesn't work today. It's too sissy or something. So we're already seeing this kind of separation and disconnect from the actual teachings of Jesus because you have to do that in order to support somebody who is the antithesis of Jesus.

[Tim]

100%.

[April]

Donald Trump would be.

[Tim]

Lest we forget.

[April]

Okay, no, no, go ahead. I'm changing.

[Tim]

Say, lest we forget that Donald Trump Jr. Said at America Fest two years ago, you've been told to turn the other cheek, but it's gotten us nowhere. That's what he said. If there's any example of Antichrist rhetoric in the right wing Christian nationalist world, that's a great example of it. And people applauded. So there you go.

[April]

Yeah. So we talked about Donald Trump as the Antichrist and Elon Musk as some kind of end times villain as well. Both of them recently went on Sean Hannity's show on Fox News for an interview. And honestly, I watched several clips and it, it's just they live in a different world. And the, the softball questions that Hannity was, was throwing that, honestly, they were all just, it kind of, it just felt like a big circle jerk, honestly.

[Tim]

April, TNA now. Circle jerk. This is going to be an explicit show.

[April]

Yeah, that's from the TNA portion of the show. Now back to the Tim and April show. But, but honestly though, they were just like, oh, you're so great. No, you're so great.

[Tim]

No.

[April]

What do you say about that? Anyway?

[Tim]

Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry, I interrupt. I, I thought that Sean Hannity was a hard hitting journalist who cared about the truth and holding people accountable.

[April]

Yeah, that's exactly what Sean Hannity is. He is all about the truth. Why don't we play some of these clips? Because I think they were, they were quite interesting because he did, he did bring up a lot of the pushback of like, hey, well, people are saying it's unconstitutional. What do you have to say about that? Or what do you, he asked Trump what he thinks about them calling Musk President Elon Musk.

[Tim]

I could pull that one.

[April]

Yeah, I'll pull that one first.

[Tim]

All right. I'll pull that one first. Sure. Don't worry. I have it queued up this time. Look, watch. Kaboom. There it is. There it is. Okay, so here's the short clip. This is a short one. Here you go. And they try. Oh, President Elon Musk, for example. You do know that they're doing that to you? Oh, I see it all the time. They tried it, then they stopped. That wasn't. They have many different things of hatred. There you go.

[April]

Hatred. That hatred. Yes, yes. Pull up the one where they say, why do they hate you, Hannity? Why do they hate you?

[Tim]

I have that one too. I have all of them. Because I'm. I am really professional here at the.

[April]

Pull them all up at the house.

[Tim]

I almost said the TNA show, but at the Tim and.

[April]

No, we're back to the Tim and April show. Right.

[Tim]

My bad, my bad. Okay, here we go. Why this rage against you now? First they hated him, now they hate both of you. Well, I think we're seeing an antibody reaction from. From those who are receiving the wasteful and fraudulent money. They're being exposed. Yes. Nobody wants to be exposed. I'll tell you a lesson I learned at PayPal. You know who complained the loudest, the quickest and the loudest and with the most amount of righteous indignation? The fraudsters. That's who complained first loudest. And they would generally have this immense overreaction. That's how we knew there were the fraudsters. If. If that's the case, if the louder you are, the more of a fraudster you are. It's telling. It's telling on themselves. Imagine sitting next to a convicted felon being like, we're really going off for those after those fraudsters in the government. Yep, yep, that's right. No, no corruption here. No corruption here, guys. They're all somewhere, somewhere in the mysterious federal government, in the. In the bureaucratic arm, whatever and whoever that is. That's where the fraud's coming from.

[April]

Also, the whole idea, the idea that the only people that are upset about his government overreach are the ones that are fraudsters is just so, so stupid. Like, I'm calling it out. I've been calling it out. I'm not a federal employee.

[Tim]

Yes.

[April]

I don't. I, I pay the government money in taxes. They don't pay me anything.

[Tim]

And again, like, what fraud? So far, all they've tried to gut is actual things that were not fraudulent. Right. Like they, they they, they got the USA id. And by the way, when you look at like how much they claim to have saved, it's still like a fraction of Elon's wealth, right? It's just so funny even, I mean, if you want to cut, maybe waste, maybe look at Elon's billions of dollars worth of contracts for his various companies in the government. But they're not, they're not going to touch those, right? Those aren't. That's what we're talking about here. We're talking about the fact that maybe a federal worker makes like 80 grand a year or that maybe we, we had some kind of research into something that, that people don't understand and that's got to go. It is. Oh my gosh. And then also don't forget, April, they got the faa, right? We had this, we had this huge crash, a series of crashes. One just happened a few days ago and they gutted the faa. What? Like first thing, one of the first things that Trump did, he guts the FAA and then they go, actually, I think it's, I think it's DEI that is to blame for that. Like I, I think DEI hires are what's to blame for all the crashes. Not gutting the FAA and firing random workers, like just en masse. That has nothing to do with it. Come on. It's unbelievable.

[April]

Not to mention the government contracts that, that Musk's SpaceX and all of his programs. Like he makes millions and millions of dollars from the government with his programs and he's talking about fraud.

[Tim]

So much.

[April]

Like it's, it's totally a conflict of interest. But also, I just want to just like that image, go back to that image real quick.

[Tim]

Oh, you got it, you got it. I'm going back.

[April]

The image of you've got Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and Elon Musk. Can you imagine if Joe Biden sat down and did an interview with Bill Gates? George Soros, like, George Soros like gave one of, one of their billionaire friends. The power that Elon Musk has in a made up government agency like Doge is not a gut. Like they, Trump made it up, invented it, it gave him power. You're supposed to go through Congress to give anyone this sort of access and they totally just talk about fraudsters.

[Tim]

Anyway, it is, it is. Again, we said at the beginning, beginning of the show, we're here to let you know that you're, that you're being gaslit, right? You're watching something that it was on the other side. Which by the way, if Joe Biden sat down with George Soros like this and gave George Soros the keys to the castle to access payment systems sensitive employee data. And then it turned out that George Soros was hiring 19 year olds, one of which who goes by the name Big Balls, right? And who was fired from a previous firm for leaking information. If that was the case, you better believe we'd be up in arms about it. Like, I would be livid. And so would many, many people in the Democratic Party and the grassroots. We'd be furious because we don't, we don't like billionaires. I know this is going to shock some people and I'm going to blow your mind, especially if you don't come from. Well, I'm just going to say it. There's no way to become a billionaire, ethically. It's built on exploitation of other people. People don't understand the gap between a million to a billion. It's astronomical. And Elon is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. And you only do that by exploiting other people's labors unethically for your own personal gain. You know, it's funny, April, to hear Christians talk about biblical values when Jesus says that you can't both, you can't worship God in Mammon. And Elon and Trump, they worship Mammon. That's who their God is. And evangelicals just love the idea, oh, he works hard. How hard? How many hours in a day can you work that makes you worth $400 billion? You only do that by stepping on the, the necks of other people, unethically exploiting and sucking up their wealth for your own profit. It's unbelievable.

[April]

Pull up the Hannity unconstitutional one.

[Tim]

Okay, I will do that.

[April]

This is when he asked him about like, well, what do you say to people who say what you're doing is unconstitutional? And just listen to this answer.

[Tim]

Okay, here we go. Specific. You say the same thing. It's not done yet. What did you mean by that? I mean, winning the election is really the opportunity to fix the system. It is not fixing the system itself. So it's an opportunity to fix the system and to restore the power of democracy. And you know, people like, it's funny how often when these attacks occur, the thing that they're accusing the administration of is what they are guilty of. They're saying that things are being done unconstitutional, but what they are doing is unconstitutional. They are guilty of the crime of which they accuse us. That's always the first thing they do. He's in violation of the Constitution. They don't Even know what they're talking. Well, it's absurd. It's just a con job.

[April]

It's a big con job.

[Tim]

Wow. You know, one of his first executive orders was removing birthright citizenship out of the Constitution. That's unconstitutional. You don't. The president doesn't have that kind of power just to alter, Alter the, the Constitution. It's not a thing, period. And judges, one of the judges, by the way, a Reagan era judge. April, I'm not sure if you knew this. A Reagan era judge who was appointed by Reagan, who was on the bench for 40 years, said it was the clearest case of something being unconstitutional he's ever seen in his lifetime on the bench. And this man, sorry, that man. Wrong way. That man has the audacity to say no. They're. They're. They're the ones who are unconstitutional. What are you talking about? You're going after judges who put checks and balances on you, which is how a republic and a democracy functions, with checks and balances, the separation of the powers. It's unreal that they say this stuff with a straight face, but they do well.

[April]

And just the, the lack of clarity in their answers, like, the answers are so vague. They're not, they're not giving any examples. It's just like, oh, what? They're saying you're con. Constitutional. Like, nuh. You're unconstitutional. Like that. That's literally like the level of intellect in their argument. They're like, oh, they say we're hateful. No, they're hateful like that. Well, there's no example. They can't give an example of what they're talking about.

[Tim]

Because when you operate on propaganda, you can't give specifics. Right. If you notice, the whole campaign of Trump since the beginning was being so vague. Immigrants or they are poisoning the blood of society. They're coming after your kids, the deep state. They're the enemy from within. They this. That. No, they're unconstitutional. How? Well, I can't give you that answer. Right. He can't. Because when you're operating on a, on a, on a level of propaganda, you don't worry about details. You let your audience fill in the blanks. And that's what we're seeing here. Like, what, what's the example? And who is they? Who's in power? Okay, let's just, let's just take it. Let's just unpack this for one second. Who's currently in power in the Senate, in the House, and in the presidency and on the court? Republicans. They have the Majority in everything. They are the ones in power. They are the ones who have. Look, we watched RFK Jr get confirmed because of the majority in the House and Senate, right? So this is on them. This is on them. Who is being unconstitutional? Judges. Judges who are who? Their duty is to keep other parts of the government in checks and balances with their rulings. Making sure that a tyrant can't get in the office and start wreaking havoc and gutting things. That's unconstitutional. No, that's constitutional. Unconstitutional is saying like a freaking king, birthright citizenship doesn't exist anymore because I've declared so signed. That's unconstitutional. That's not how our Constitution functions. Right, but the propaganda is so effective because it's pushed by a right wing media ecosystem funded by billionaires that people vote against their own economic interest. Giving us Trump and now the world's greediest man, Elon. It's like giving. It's like giving the Fox access to the hen house. He's going to run amok. Why, why would he not. Why would he not look for ways to enrich his organizations, his companies to become wealthier and wealthier?

[April]

That's how this works, you know. Pull up the other video of Hannity and Musk. This is the last Hannity and Musk. Trump.

[Tim]

The mean one.

[April]

Yeah, yeah, the mean one, yeah. Because what I was going to say is that Elon Musk, like what they're actually saying is projection, like they're accusing people of what they're actually doing. And Trump's already trained all of his followers that he is the old. So literally any actual facts or statistics or anything that comes from a mainstream news or anyone who's not Republican, they write off as fake news, no matter how credible that that information is. So literally they. That's why they can go out and just say, no, they're unconstitutional. And then everyone that follows him just believes him because they've been trained to do that. This is the like, biggest. I don't know, I said circle jerk earlier. But like, this is the biggest example.

[Tim]

Okay, but before we get to this video, really quick. Friends, welcome into the live stream. We are currently broadcasting this on two different platforms. There's the new Evangelicals Channel. You're watching the first ever episode of the Tim and April show on. And then there's the actual YouTube channel where this show is going to live long term. If you're watching on The New Evangelicals YouTube channel, do me a favor, click the link in the description, head over to the other channel and subscribe because we're making more room for different kinds of content on the TNE, YouTube and this show will live on the Tim and April show. So I appreciate you being here. Do me one more favor. It will cost you nothing, I promise. Just hit the like button. Hit the like button. If you haven't done that yet, it helps this stream get out to more people. We are here for the long haul. This is our first show out of many more to come. I appreciate you being here. Okay, back to the task at hand. This is Elon Musk and Donald Trump talking about what being mean to people.

[April]

Just play it, I think. Question in the clip.

[Tim]

Yeah, I've got to start with this. So he's working for free with Doge. He's. He's kind of put a lot of his life on hold. And you sued Twitter a number of years ago. You just made him pay you $10 million. That's right. That's right. That's right. Well, I sued from long before he had it. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, they really did a number on me, you know, and I sued and they had to Pay. They paid $10 million settlement. I'm losing it. You're okay with that? I mean, I left it up to the lawyers and, you know, the team running Twitter. So I said, you guys do what think is the right. It makes sense. I think it's funny. I think it's a very low. I was looking to get much more money than that. So you gave him a discount when the loss. He got a dis. Oh, he got a big discount. I don't think he even knows about it. He's become one of your. If you read and believe the media, he'd become one of your best friends. He's working for free for you. Well, I love the President. I just want to be clear about that. You don't care about that.

[April]

I know.

[Tim]

I love the. Love the president. I think President Trump is a good man. And he's. You know, it's nice the way he said that. You know, there's something nice about it. Really is, you know, because, I mean, the president has been so unfairly attacked in the media. It's really outrageous. And I've, at this point, spent a lot of time with the president, and not once have I seen him do something that was mean or cruel or wrong. Not once. You know, I've known him for 30 years. Yeah. And I've never seen anybody take as much as he's taken. Yeah. And we've discussed this, and I'm like, how do you deal with it? Did I have a choice? Well, you would say that to me. I'm like, what do I do? Worry about it and you know. And then culminating in two assassination attempts which resulted in your endorsement. Well, I was going to do it anyway, but that was, that was it event. Yes. That speeded up a little bit. Yeah. The day of the assassin. I didn't know that. Yeah, I just sped it up. But I was gonna do it anyway. April, I.

[April]

Get a room, guys.

[Tim]

Yeah, I, I listen, you use the word. I'm gonna say it again. That is a circle jerk. Like they are just patting each other on the back like, no, you're the better billionaire. No, you are the better billionaire. No, no, no, you are a better person. No, you're so kind. Wow. And you know, he doesn't work.

[April]

That Elon Musk is working for free is asinine. Since records began, government records began, SpaceX, which Elon Musk owns, has been promised over $20 billion in government contracts with. Over with. Almost 9 billion actually have been paid so far. And those contracts are still in existence. He has made billions of dollars from the US Government.

[Tim]

No.

[April]

No idea that he's doing it for free. Like he's some like kind hearted man just doing this out of the goodness of his heart.

[Tim]

No, you're misreading it. Just like how Jesus didn't, didn't need to leave the throne in heaven to come down to save us pieces of garbage who are totally depraved and rotten and wicked. Right? And not worthy. Elon Musk left his throne somewhere in America just to save poor old, you know, little us. Right? Just to gut the government to save us money. Because I'm not sure about you, but we're getting some, some serious reimbursement checks. I'm not sure if you heard about this. We're getting thousands of dollars back in our bank account because of Elon Savings. So I read it somewhere on the Internet, guaranteed. And he's not taking. Listen, I know that he's worth $400 billion, but he's working for free. What a huge sacrifice.

[April]

What a huge sacrifice.

[Tim]

How, how does he. Yeah, I mean, his lifestyle's gotta be billions of dollars a day. I mean, he's, he's gonna go broke. He's gonna go broke. This poor guy.

[April]

Let's just. I also just want to point out too, the, the party of family values, good Christian values. Elon Musk may not be the best judge of character when he says he's never seen Donald Trump do Anything wrong? Um, last week, Ashley St. Clair, who is a conservative pundit who used to work for the Babylon Bee and in fact worked for the Babylon Bee, a Christian satire news site, when she started this little romantic fling with Elon Musk. She just tweeted out a week ago, her five month old baby is Elon Musk's 13th child.

[Tim]

Oh my goodness. Is this the statement?

[April]

Yeah, this is her statement. She says, five months ago, I welcomed a new baby into the world. Elon Musk is the father. I have not previously disclosed this to protect our child's privacy and safety, but in recent days it has become clear that tabloid media intends to do so regardless of the harm it will cause. I intend to allow our child to grow in a normal and safe environment. For that reason, I ask that the media honor our child's privacy and refrain from invasive reporting. She is now saying Elon Musk is basically ghosting her. She hasn't been able to get a hold of him since this baby has been born. And the only thing that Elon Musk has said about this, someone tweeted out, I think I put it in there. Someone had tweeted out this theory that they think Ashley S. Clair, per. Like, had planned for five years, half a decade to ens. Snare Elon Musk basically to have his baby. And Elon Musk replied, whoa.

[Tim]

Responsibility baby. Thirteen children.

[April]

Which honestly, she may have, that, that doesn't seem beyond her. But regardless, 13th baby.

[Tim]

Hey, hey. Family values.

[April]

That was someone on the left.

[Tim]

These.

[April]

These conservative Christians would be losing their minds. Like, trust the morals matter.

[Tim]

Like, April, I hate to say this.

[April]

This is hardly even a story now because we have been so you. We've become desensitized to right and wrong or like what is moral and, and what is normal, even.

[Tim]

Okay, I know that Elon has 13 children. One of them is a, is a trans woman and he's dead. Named his own daughter. Like, yeah, you know, all this talk about family values, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta protect the nuclear family, Elon, and also Trump. But Elon is a shining example of the deadbeat father that I was taught never to be. Right? I was taught never to be that person. Sleeping around, having multiple babies with different women, not being able to take care of them or whatever it is. And he is that person. And we're told with a straight face by Christian nationalists and right wing Christians that what Elon's doing is great. He's saving the country. He's so good. Did you know, and I hate to bring this up, but because I know if it was the opposite, this would be such a talking point. Do you know that Elon Musk's dad impregnated his own stepdaughter twice? Do you know that? Yeah. Elon's dad impregnated his own stepdaughter who he helped raise, and she was 4 years old. I'm not kidding you. I will. I will pull up the article.

[April]

That's gross.

[Tim]

It is. It is disgusting. Disgusting, right? And you just wonder, like, are. Are these really. Are these really, like the people that we want anywhere near the White House or protecting these so called family values? His dad, like, just openly talked about on a podcast and.

[April]

Yeah, I mean, dad still alive.

[Tim]

Yes. No, this was recent. He went on the podcast. He went on a podcast to talk to her about it. I could probably find the clip. I mean, I can probably find it.

[April]

Does Elon Musk, like, has Elon distanced himself from his dad?

[Tim]

Yeah. So according to this is E. News here, Elon Musk's dad, Errol Musk, slams him for alleged bad parenting. Oh, no. Elon Musk's dad slammed. Slammed Elon for bad parenting. He hasn't been a good dad. Errol said on February 12 episode of the Wide Awake podcast, they were too rich, too many nannies. Then he had five children with the same woman. Five sons all. All brought up. Each one had its own nanny. Wow. What a present. Present father. Unbelievable. Yeah, it's just. This is. This is the bastion, huh? This is it, guys. We've reached the pinnacle. We've brought God back to America. Have you seen those Christians saying that? I mean, Charlie Kirk, I watched him at American Fest be like, oh, we were saved by the grace of God because Trump got elected again. Really? Is this what that looks like? This is. This is what that looks like. Let me make sure I understand. So far, it looks like egg prices are higher than before inflation spiked again. Planes are crashing everywhere. Oh, but good news, guys. We officially, as a country, only recognize two genders, so our trans neighbors are living in legit fear. We're watching people like, unfortunately, the brutal death of Sam Nordquist, a trans man who was tortured for a month and beat to death. Right. And investigators are looking into this was a hate crime or not. Last I read. They weren't sure or it's unclear. All this is happening. But don't worry. Don't worry. God's grace shines upon thee in America. Come on. Come on. What are we doing? What are we doing? And does. And does someone. Someone Ask if we're believers. Yes, we are Jesus people. We are April and I. April and I are Jesus people, which is why we get so fired up about this, because we're so exhausted and we're so tired, I'm sure, like many of you, of seeing what can be a beautiful belief system that advocates for the liberation and human flourishing of all of our neighbors. We're so exhausted of watching white Christians in particular, hijack that and claim to be the. The biblical ones as they terrorize their neighbor, as they hate their neighbor, as they advocate for people in the government that are liars and that embody none of the values that they claim we're supposed to embody. Right? So, yes, perhaps that's why we have the show, because no one, to our knowledge, is really talking about the Christian side of what is animating this Trump regime in this way. And that's why we're starting the Tim and April show, to give you guys that angle, because we know what goes on behind the scenes. It's unbelievable to me.

[April]

Cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy for sure, which I. We can't. I mean, we can't blame Elon for the sins of his father, but Elon has enough of his own sense to. It's just like. It's just so, to me, like, the narratives that they spend on adultery and, you know, one man, one man, one woman, biblical marriage, they bring that up all the time. And to condemn gay people, but they literally, like, don't like their own president. How many. How many of Trump's cabinet members have been accused of. Of assault? It's. It's a few. It's not. It's not a small number. It's a surprising number.

[Tim]

Pete Hegseth. I mean, there are so many. And Trump himself. Have you seen that? Have you seen this picture? I'm going to pull it up real quick and then we'll get. We'll get to our next topic here, friends. By the way, thanks so much for being here and joining the first ever Tim and April show. Make sure that you are subscribed to the YouTube channel. If you're listening on podcast, welcome in. And please, if you could do me a favor, give this video, video a. Like, it really helps it get seen to more people. This is a brand new show, brand new format. If you want other people to see what we're talking about and be part of the community, your, like, really helps. I know I say it a lot, but we got to play the YouTube algorithmic game. Um, and we are Going to pull up. Someone asked if we saw the. If we saw the White House ASMR deportation video. We absolutely did, and we will absolutely be talking about it. So just hang tight there for a second. Okay, so I want to put. I want to pull up this picture. A picture with. I think it was here. Where was it when he was doing the signing? Protecting. Hold on.

[April]

He says signing.

[Tim]

Sorry, talking in half sentences. When he was trying to protect women in women's sports. Oh, did you ever see that?

[April]

Trans women.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[April]

Yes.

[Tim]

Did you ever see the actual image, though, that they have? Let me show you.

[April]

Oh, is it just a bunch of girls around him?

[Tim]

Yeah. Look at this. Look at this. Do you see this is up?

[April]

Could you see it? Yeah.

[Tim]

Can you imagine being a parent and thinking that having your daughter four inches away from a man who bragged about grabbing women by the genitals, who was found liable for sexually assaulting a woman, who was found guilty of using hush money to pay off the fact that he slept with someone else who wasn't his wife when she was pregnant? Can you imagine being a parent who thinks that it's a good idea to have that man around your daughter while he's signing legislation that does nothing to protect women but targets trans athletes? Like, all 15 of them. Like, literally, there's 15 between 10 and 20. They say trans athletes in the NCAA right now. TRUMP is signing an order to get them out of sports, surrounded by little girls, as someone who's a sexual predator. And we're told, April, that we were the crazy ones for not getting behind this man and not seeing the good he's doing in the country. Get out of here. Like, miss me with that.

[April]

Yeah. It infuriates me because this is. This is just theatrics. This is. This is showmanship. This is like, look at me, I'm protecting women. It's. It's something that's easy because they're not trans. They're. They're literally going after such a small percentage. Percentage of people in the nation, an even smaller percentage when you look at athletes. And so much of this is theatrics. I. You know, I even looked at a lot of the deportation numbers. Trump really isn't deporting any more than Joe Biden deported under his administration, but Trump's doing it with military planes and making freaking ASMR videos about it. And it's. It's just theatric. So much of it is showmanship, which is why I try to, like, keep that in consideration. But all of this rhetoric this demonization of all immigrants has dire consequences. Like, I don't understand how Christian. Like, why don't we just pull up that ASMR video?

[Tim]

I think I have it from the drive while you're talking.

[April]

Yeah, since. Since we're on it. Because there is a reason that Christian nationalists right now, and, you know, a lot of these people would not call themselves Christian nationalists, but these really, these MAGA Christians, conservative Christians, who are talking heads and writing books and, you know, promoting Trump, there is a reason they are demonizing empathy. They're calling it toxic. Ali Beth Stuckey has a book, Toxic Empathy. There's a new book coming out calling the empathy a sin. We saw people talking about how empathy was sin in response to Bishop Buddy when she pleaded for mercy to the most powerful man in the world. The reason why they are demonizing empathy is because they. If they have a shred of empathy in their heart still, they'd have to call out this ASMR video. They'd have to call out the cruelty of the Trump administration because they are celebrating and laughing and making fun of human suffering. I do not care if someone is here, quote, unquote, illegally. If they are undocumented, that is a civil case. That's not a violent crime. They're trying to paint all immigrants as murderers and thieves and someone that's doing violent crimes, when statistically, if you are an undocumented person in this country, you are more than half as likely to commit a violent crime as regular citizens. Like, you are more likely to follow the law. They pay their taxes. But the demonization of immigrants is absolutely disgusting and vile, and you have to shove down your empathy. You have to turn it off in order to be okay with this.

[Tim]

I agree. Well said. Here's a little clip.

[April]

The official White House Instagram and Twitter account. You can keep playing it, but they posted this as an asmr.

[Tim]

It's unbelievable.

[April]

All right.

[Tim]

Yeah, I'm going to stop here. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's such blatant dehumanization. Right? I mean, like, we don't. Yeah, Sorry.

[April]

Go.

[Tim]

No, no, you were good.

[April]

The official White House accounts posted this. The official White House account, and said asmr. I don't know exactly. What did they say? It was like, deportation. Asmr. Yeah, asmr. Illegal alien deportation flight, which, if you don't know what ASMR is, it's a trend online where you do kind of mundane things, but you highlight the audio of it. It's supposed to be, like, a soothing kind of way to engage with content. But the fact that they would do this about like, like these, some of them are violent, most of them are not. And what they're doing, they're shipping people off to various countries. They may not even be from that country, they're separating families. And there was just a story that came out Yesterday of an 11 year old girl who had been being bullied in school over her parents immigration status and she, she committed suicide. She took her own life. Yes, like this rhetoric is deadly. It kills people.

[Tim]

Yes, just a trigger warning.

[April]

Zero. Yeah, yeah, zero compassion from these Trump supporting Christians. And it is infuriating as someone who actually tries to follow the teachings of Jesus and celebrating people being deported. Those, those human, they are human beings made in the image of God. They're no human. Is illegal. We are all just human beings. Some of us happen to be born here, some of us are not. That doesn't make anyone less than anybody else 100%.

[Tim]

I mean again, just to make it very clear, like this is, I was taught this as a kid in my white evangelical church, right? You sing the songs. Jesus loves the children of the world, not of America. And you look at what happened or where we are now and watching the same Christians be like, yeah, mass deportations to your point, built on propaganda and lies, right? We know that immigrants, even undocumented ones are half as likely to commit violent crimes as your native born counterparts. And then you get stories like this, right? And I think just trigger warning mentioned a suicide here. But here's the headline from CNN. An 11 year old girl in Texas died by suicide after she was bullied about her family's immigration status according to her mother. And this is the girl right here, may she rest in peace. And it says that a young girl's death by suicide is being investigated by school police after her mother says she was bullied by other students who hurled insults at her claiming her family was in the US illegally. It's, it's, you know, look, I'm a parent, you're a parent. April, this is like, this is every parent's nightmare. This is every parent's nightmare. To walk, to wake up to this reality. It is, it is truly hell on earth and it was unnecessary. This girl died because she was being bullied about her alleged immigration status. And you have to ask, well, where do these kids get that from? What are their parents saying about immigrants? Who are they listening to on the tv? And what is the most infuriating in my opinion is that even the death of a little child will not Cause these right wing media pundits and the people that listen to them to rethink their rhetoric, these are the same people who want to ban IVF because they think that IVF is mass slaughtering children. Which newsflash, it's not. They want you not to have access to IVF because of their religious zealotry. But these, the 11 year old unaliving herself because of being bullied because of bullying at school about her immigration status. Well, what are you going to do? You know, things happen. Maybe she shouldn't be here anyway. That, that's, that's the justification for this. It is such a blatant example of dehumanization and it goes against the clear teachings of our faith, of Jesus, who actually was the one dehumanize. He was the one humanizing people whose society and his own religious elite said were not worthy of being seen as fully human. And it's just unbelievable to witness. It is evil. It's, it's vile. And like we said before Trump got elected, people are going to die. And now we have an 11 year old who is no longer here because she was so mercilessly be bullied by people about her immigration status.

[April]

And that's why, you know, even if Trump and Trump supporters are just making jokes, you know, and that's kind of, that's been the defense that I've seen. Like, oh, it's just a joke. Like, calm down. Like, what do you care? Those jokes have real life consequences. Because when you, when you repeat rhetoric, whether it's in jest or not, that is dehumanizing entire people groups. And now, you know, we're seeing it with immigrants now, we've seen it for decades about queer people, about gay people and trans people, that, that when you demonize entire groups and, and people of color and disabled folks, people, you know, like anytime you take someone's humanity away, it becomes easy for people to violently commit acts against them and to treat them as non humans, as something less than. And once you do that, you've lost the plot. Like you cannot call. I mean they do. And like I don't believe in the no true Scotsman fallacy. Like, I'm not going to say these people are not Christians because Christianity, unfortunately, especially white Christianity, has a history of harming lots of people. You got the Crusades, you've got slavery. They use the Bible to justify slavery, Jim Crow, civil rights. Like there's, there's so many things, so many things we could talk about. So I will, I'm not going to Say they're not Christians, right? But you cannot actually say you are following the teachings of Jesus if you are willing to demonize all immigrants or all queer people or Ukrainians or disabled people. Like, the way it is, it just pisses me off to no end. Like, if you, you know what you want to say that I have toxic empathy because I care for people that are here, quote unquote, illegally.

[Tim]

So dumb.

[April]

I don't. I almost cussed. I don't care. Like, dang it, dang it, I can't wait for that. I almost came out one day. I will. But I will say, like, if I get to heaven and God looks at me and like, sorry, you loved people too much. I don't want to freaking go to that heaven. I don't want to worship a God who's going to look at me and say, you loved people too much. You didn't hate the right people. That's not the God I serve. That's not the Jesus I read about in the Gospels. And you can miss me with your toxic empathy because what I know is that you don't freaking love your neighbor and you cannot convince me otherwise. Otherwise, you have lost the plot and you have no more stance on any morals at all, ever. Don't ever talk to me about good Christian values. If you can laugh about humans being deported and ripped away from their families.

[Tim]

100%, I completely agree with you. 1,000%. On the money, correct? 100%. They do not own the corner on biblical values or on Jesus or the faith. In fact, they only represent so consistently the opposite of the values that we're. That not only we were taught and that we believe, but that what Jesus teaches. Maybe we can highlight here just a couple, you know, pieces of evidence to show, like why we really cannot trust anything that comes out of Trump's mouth. I want to pull two clips up. One about him, one talk of him talking about Ukraine, and then I want to pull up that clip of him talking about the condoms in Gaza again. And just. Just to show you how there is no truth telling in the world of Trump. And that's really important to realize, I think. Anyway, as we navigate what's going to be a very interesting and difficult next few years. Okay, First I have to find it, though. So here's Trump talking about Zelensky and the Ukraine. Here we go. Really quick, Mr. Seed, I want to respond to this comment out loud so that way he. They hear me. So Mr. Seed says, still no genocide in Palestine. The anti Semitism of this channel just like, tne is sickening. We actually did a four part series on Israel and Palestine, including with the Jewish person. So, you know, just go look into our stuff before you come in with those kinds of comments. They're just so annoying. All right, here we go. Back to the matter at hand. Trump talking about Ukraine. I want to see peace. Look, you know why I want. Because I don't want all these people killed anymore. I'm looking at people that are being killed, and they're Russian and Ukrainian people, but they're people. Doesn't matter where they're from on. On the whole planet. And I think I have the power to end this war and I think it's going very well. But today I heard, oh, well, we weren't invited. Well, you've been there for three years.

[April]

You should have ended it. Three years.

[Tim]

You should have never started it. You could have made a deal. I could have made a deal for Ukraine. Okay, did you hear that? He says you should have never have started talking to Ukraine. That's like not, that's not.

[April]

That is rewriting facts, rewriting history.

[Tim]

That is literally real time not telling the truth. How do you say something that blatant that we all like. I mean, April, we were there a few years ago when we watched Russia invade Ukraine. Like we watched Russian tanks on Twitter invading Ukraine.

[April]

And he's like, zero reason unprovoked, just.

[Tim]

To take more land.

[April]

Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Russia is a different sovereign nation. Russia invaded Ukraine.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[April]

Yeah, that is what happened.

[Tim]

Yeah. Now the other one I want to play is. Is. Is this condom thing? So, so this is Trump a day or two ago. Is this what he. Is this. When he said this. This is so interesting. And again, I, I just. We, we will do this all day, friends. We are never going to not stop calling out the fact that Trump lies. Because once you don't call it out, you start to normalize it. Once you normalize it, you accept it. And we're never going to accept it. We're never going to accept people trying to tell us that Trump is a truth teller. He's not. Here's what he said about condoms in Gaza. Listen to this. Money. And in another program, $50 million plus.

[April]

Another $50 million for condoms for Hamas. You know that of that $100 million for condoms, condoms.

[Tim]

Does everybody know what a condom is for Hamas? $100 million. And these are just some. I could read this list all day long. I just don't want to bore you. Okay, so he says this, right? And condoms.

[April]

I don't know what a condom is.

[Tim]

April, to be clear, this was said after this clip. I'm going to play right of, of Elon talking about this. This was said after that?

[April]

Yeah, yeah, yes, after the fact.

[Tim]

Yeah. So, so, but obviously Trump, he has to know he's lying because he, he sat in on this press conference. Really, King Trump sat down while President Musk talked. And, and here's what Elon Musk said when he was confronted with this talking point that, oh, we found all of this, this waste, including money for condoms going to Hamas. Listen to this clip and then we'll get back to what Trump just said. Mr. Musk, you said on X that an example of the fraud that you.

[April]

Have cited was $50 million of condoms was sent to Gaza.

[Tim]

But after fact check this, apparently Gaza in Mozambique and the program was to.

[April]

Protect them against hiv. So can you correct the statements?

[Tim]

It wasn't sent to Hamas, actually, it was sent to Mozambique, which makes sense why condoms were sent there. And how can we make sure that all the statements that you said were correct so we can trust what you say? Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected. Okay, so Trump is right there. If you look at his little eyeball, if you could see my mouse, it's right here. There's Trump and there's Elon on the left. And Elon is saying, yes, you're right. The story that we initially told the world that America was sending condoms to Hamas is not true. And by the way, in Mozambique, the health director there said actually no money was used for condoms, period. But that doesn't stop Trump. That doesn't stop Trump from lying again about the thing that he heard his own guy correct.

[April]

Trump has learned zero lessons. No, because he's actually not been held accountable for anything. He was a convicted felon. But because he won the presidency, he doesn't have to serve time. He doesn't have to actually be held accountable like he is used to saying and doing whatever he wants with no consequences. And us, the American people, have made that. So, I mean, obviously a lot of us did not vote for him, but Republicans are just as much to blame for Trump not facing any consequences. So he literally, he does not care. He. I think, I honestly think he's a pathological liar because he just lies. And a lot of times his lies are over really stupid things. Like one time he was speaking in New York and told people that his. His or no, he was speaking to a bunch of Germans and said that his dad was born in Germany. His dad was born in the Bronx, which is a very easy thing to fact check. He literally just makes stuff up. But then he. Did you. Did you pull the clip of Trump calling Zelensky a dictator?

[Tim]

Yeah, I have that clip for you. You want me to play it for you?

[April]

Yeah, play that one.

[Tim]

All right, all right, hold on. I have to find it. I have a lot of clips to pull. Here it is. I got it. Okay, pull this. Load it up. Queue her up. Here we go.

[April]

This is another long episode. We were like, oh, our episodes are going to be shorter if we go twice a week.

[Tim]

It's the first one, though.

[April]

That's fair. Like a fiddle.

[Tim]

He played him like a fiddle.

[April]

That's an expression we use.

[Tim]

Yes, sir. To say that he's pretty easy. Pretty easy. A dictator without elections. Zelensky better move fast or he's not.

[April]

Going to have a country left. Got to move.

[Tim]

Got to move fast. There you go. Dictator, dictator.

[April]

So, yeah, listen, he is literally repeating Russian propaganda completely.

[Tim]

Putin.

[April]

Putin is the one that has started calling Zelensky dictator without elections. Like, talk about the. No, I. I know you are, but what am I Like, like, Putin does the same stuff. Vladimir Putin is an actual dictator. Donald Trump is buddying up with an actual dictator while posting pictures of him as a king while acting like a dictator and doing whatever he wants. And has the audacity to call Vladimir or Vladimir Zelensky a dictator who's literally just defending his country after being illegally invaded by Russia. I will say I hate it here. This has been interesting on how Republicans have responded to Trump calling.

[Tim]

That's true.

[April]

A dictator.

[Tim]

That's true.

[April]

So Tom Tillis, or how about just.

[Tim]

Mike Pence, his own vp.

[April]

Yeah, Mike Pence. Of course, he's not elected anymore.

[Tim]

Right.

[April]

But Mike Pence tweeted out, Mr. President, Ukraine did not start this war. Russia launched an unprovoked and brutal invasion, claiming hundreds of thousands of lives. The road to peace must be built on the truth. And then he literally linked to the article of when this happened. So Mike Pence finally got some backbone. I probably the whole, like, them wanting to hang him for not certifying a fair election may have had a little bit to do with that.

[Tim]

You might think. You might think.

[April]

But it was interesting. I saw a bunch of reporters asking various current, like, sitting Republicans in Congress what they thought, whether they agreed with Trump that Zelensky is a dictator. Senator Lisa Murkowski, who has moments of courage but still usually ends up complying with everything Republicans Do. She said, I do not. Senator John Corrin, Republican from Texas, said, I wouldn't use the same word. Like, they're. They're, like, tiptoeing around the line. Like, they clearly disagree with Trump, but they also am like, oh, don't. Don't bite the hand that feeds us.

[Tim]

Right? Well, he's a king. He should be treated as such. Right? I mean, this is how kings. Kings are not accountable. Kings are not responsible. Kings are not ethical. Kings are tyrants. I mean, we. We literally. We literally raged war over that a long time ago to make America its own thing. And now we have someone bragging about being a king, and now we're, like, somehow supposed to be surprised that his own party is, like, trying to be like, well, Mr. King Trumpster, we don't want to get in. In your bad graces, so if we could just be so kind as to mention that. Just don't forget that maybe, you know, Ukraine was actually invaded. It wasn't Russia or it wasn't Ukraine that started. It was Russia, but don't hurt me. Yeah, that's what. That's what. Like. Like, there's no spine. There's no spine. And by the way, I haven't seen a ton of Democratic leaders have a big spine either. I really haven't. I hate to say it, but I have not seen a lot of, like, we're holding the line. This is fascism. This is bs. There's been not. Not a lot of that. I'm not. I'm not thrilled. And I. I don't know what that means long term. I've seen the aoc. Who else?

[April]

Jasmine Crockett.

[Tim]

Who is that?

[April]

You don't know Jasmine Crockett?

[Tim]

I'm sorry. Oh, no. Am I getting. Am I gonna get canceled? Oh, my God.

[April]

You might. For this. This is bad. This is almost. This is worse than Timothy Chalamet.

[Tim]

Oh, no. Let me look her up. Oh, no. I love her. I know who she is. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, but I'm saying, like, like, when it comes to, like, like, party leaders, you know, like, like, like your real big names. Like, honestly, where has, like, Biden been? Or, I don't know, Nancy Pelosi? I don't know. I'm just saying. Just saying. Guys, I know who Jasmine Crockett is, okay? I love. We shared her stuff. She's great. I'm a huge fan. I just didn't recognize the name. Hey, why don't we end on. On a positive note? How about that video I have of the Governor talking about stuff that you. Yeah, maybe here's an example of some great pushback that we want to see more of. How about that?

[April]

Yeah, that's great.

[Tim]

Okay, cool. Okay. Disaster. Disaster averted. So this is. I found this online today. This is Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker. And I think this is a really, really, really good little monologue here. I think we should end the show on some good news. We're gonna try Friends. Maybe before we end it here, let me just say thank you so much for being a part of the first ever Tim and April show live stream. We are developing the show more and more. We want to get more good news coming your way as well, so we're not all in despair and doom while also having a little bit of fun and of course, calling out Christian nationalism. So thank you. Give this stream a like if you're watching it. That would just mean the world. Make sure to subscribe to the channel at the Tim and April show on YouTube. We have so much more to get into. We'll be back here on Monday going live. All that good stuff. All right, here is. This is a really great little. It's about four minutes, but it's really worth it. Okay. Let's just buckle up and enjoy it. As some of you know, Skokie, Illinois, once had one of the largest populations of Holocaust survivors anywhere in the world. In 1978, Nazis decided that they wanted to march there. The leaders of that march knew that the images of swastika clad young men goose stepping down a peaceful suburban street would terrorize the local Jewish population, so many of whom had never recovered from their time in German concentration camps. The prospect of that march sparked a legal fight that went all the way to the Supreme Court. I do not invoke the specter of Nazis lightly, but I know the history intimately and have spent more time than probably anyone in this room with people who survived the Holocaust. Here's what I've learned. The root of that tears apart your house's foundation begins as a seed, a seed of distrust and hate and blame. The seed that grew into a dictatorship in Europe a lifetime ago didn't arrive overnight. It started with everyday Germans mad about inflation and looking for someone to blame. He's right, by the way. I'm watching with a foreboding dread what is happening in our country right now. President who watches a plane go down in the Potomac and suggests without facts or findings that a diversity hire is responsible for the crash? Or the Missouri Attorney General who just sued Starbucks arguing that consumers pay higher Prices for their coffee because the baristas are too female and non white. The authoritarian playbook is laid bare here. Yep. To a group of people who don't look like you and tell you to blame them for your problems, I just have one question. What comes next? After we've discriminated against, deported, or disparaged all the immigrants and the gay and lesbian and transgender people, the developmentally disabled, the women and the minorities, once we've ostracized our neighbors and betrayed our friends, after that, when the problems we started with are still there staring us in the face, what comes next? All the atrocities of human history lurk in the answer to that question. And if we don't want to repeat history, then for God's sake, in this moment, we better be strong enough to learn from it. My oath is to the constitution of our state and of our country. We don't have kings in America, and I don't intend to bend the knee to one on the money. I'm not speaking up in service to my ambitions, but in deference to my obligations. If you think I'm overreacting and sounding the alarm too soon, consider this. It took the Nazis one month, three weeks, two days, eight hours and 40 minutes to dismantle a constitutional republic. And all I'm saying is that when the five alarm fire starts to burn, every good person better be ready to.

[April]

Man a post with a bucket of.

[Tim]

Water if you want to stop it from raging out of control. Those Illinois Nazis did end up holding their march in 1978, just not in Skokie. After all the blowback from the case, they decided to march in Chicago instead. Only 20 of them showed up, but 2,000 people came to counter protest. The Chicago Tribune reported that day that the rally sputtered to an unspectacular end after 10 minutes. It was Illinoisans who smothered those embers before they could burn into a flame. So requires your fear and your silence and your compliance. Yep. Democracy requires your courage. So gather your justice and humanity, Illinois, and do not let the tragic spirit of despair overcome us when our country needs us the most. Thank you. My man is cooking. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. Yes. And I think that last sentiment is so important for all of us. Right. They want you to be discouraged. They want you to be overwhelmed. They want you to feel like there's no hope. That's one of the plays out of the playbook of tyranny and fascism. And part of what we have to do, of course, is call it out and not be afraid to feel the feelings, but also to find moments of joy. Because finding joy is also a form of resistance and that's really important. We cannot let Trump or Musk or whoever else is in these spaces of power rob people or rob you of your God given joy to find the moments of rebellion. Right. We talk a lot on the new evangelical show about how we're trying to form a rebellion of hope, love and empathy. How do we do that? And part of it means that we have to find moments of joy and not let authoritarians win the mental game by us letting them have rent free space in our head. We absolutely cannot do that. And so I'm, I'm happy that we have Governor Pritzker in Illinois because this is, he was on the money 100% and I think it kind of sets the stage for the work that we're going to be doing. April on the show.

[April]

Yeah. Well, like we've talked about before, do not obey in advance. That's from Timothy Snyder's book on tyranny. Take, you know, take heart. Like, the one thing I like to remind myself is Trump barely won the election, like at the, you look at the final numbers. He didn't even get above 50%. He's, he got 77 million votes. There are 340 million people that live in the United States. Most people did not vote.

[Tim]

Yep.

[April]

So the major like MAGA is loud. They have the power right now. They are, they are, you know, swarming the news cycle to keep, to try to paralyze us, to try to get us to where like we're so overwhelmed. We feel like we can't do anything because we can't, you know, we, we can't register what's happening fast enough to respond.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[April]

But just know there are more of us than there are die hard MAGA people. And I do believe as Trump starts enacting a lot of these policies, a lot of people who voted for him are going to be negatively harmed and people will start waking up. And you know, I mean, it's, it's scary. I'm not saying they're not scary times, but it's not enough to give up hope. There are a lot of good people that will not be taking this sitting down, including us. Including a lot of the people in our comment section.

[Tim]

Yep.

[April]

Including a lot of people in government like the governor that we just saw. We will not be taking this sitting down. And you know, the American spirit is strong. We're not going to let fascism just walk in.

[Tim]

Exactly, exactly.

[April]

That what you will.

[Tim]

We are here all the way. Friends, we are here with you all the way, every step of the way. April and I are committed to making this show as successful as possible so people out there know that they're not alone and that there is a better way forward in their faith if they so choose to stay Christian. I appreciate all of you for making this our most watched really recap slash Tim and April show that we ever had over over. Let's see 700 people watching which is amazing. 643 likes combined. Please make sure to do us a favor. Subscribe to the Tim and April show on YouTube. This will be moving over there exclusively in the upcoming week. So we're trying to give you all time to kind of catch up and get over to the new channel. Please do us a favor and go do that. Thanks for being here, April. Great for a show.

[April]

Great first show. The Tim and April show. That's a.

[Tim]

All right.

[April]

See.