102. Trump Goes Nuclear. It's Time to Invoke the 25th amendment.

Summary

The Tim & April Show – Episode 102

"Trump Goes Nuclear. It's Time to Invoke the 25th Amendment."

Podcast Date: April 10, 2026
Hosts: Tim Whitaker & April Ajoy
Network: The New Evangelicals

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Tim & April Show grapples with the unprecedented and alarming escalation in both rhetoric and policy by President Donald Trump over Easter week 2026. Tim and April dissect Trump’s nuclear threats towards Iran, his inflammatory and blasphemous Easter morning post, and the evangelical and conservative responses (or lack thereof). They also address the broader themes of Christian nationalism, hypocrisy within faith-driven political spaces, and the urgent need for accountability. The episode closes with news of alleged Pentagon threats against the Vatican and a few moments of much-needed levity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Setting the Stage – Easter and Its Sacredness

(Timestamps: 01:31–03:05)

• Tim and April reflect on the beauty and significance of Easter, especially in affirming and inclusive contexts.

  • April shares the profound experience of attending a queer-affirming service with a lesbian pastor, highlighting the resilience and faith of queer Christians (02:33).
  • Quote:
    “What if we actually lived out what so many of these songs declare for all people, not just for certain types of people.” – Tim (01:50)

• They briefly introduce themselves as former conservative evangelicals now advocating for a more just and inclusive faith through The New Evangelicals.

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2. Trump’s Easter Morning Outburst

(Timestamps: 05:41–12:00)

• Trump’s Easter morning post is read aloud (09:07) — an expletive-laden threat against Iran coupled with “Praise be to Allah.”

  • This was posted at 8:03am, coinciding with the sacred Christian celebration of the resurrection.

• Tim and April express their outrage at both the content and the timing.

  • Quote:
    “To have a president post something like this on Easter morning is already kind of insulting. But let alone when white evangelicals and Christian Nationalists are shoving down our throat the fact that this man represents biblical values and Christian values..." – Tim (10:15)

• April explains Trump’s threat: “when he says power plant day and bridge day, he’s threatening to actually bomb their power plants and bridges.” (11:09)

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3. Christian Nationalist & Right-Wing Spin

(Timestamps: 12:08–20:00)

• Despite the violence in Trump’s post, right-wing Christians like Dinesh D’Souza and Eric Metaxas justify it by comparing Trump to biblical prophets mocking false gods (15:08).

  • Quote:
    "Trump knows the God of the Irg Muslims is a false and evil entity, just as BAAL is. I love that he would mock that God publicly.” – Eric Metaxas, quoted by April (15:38)

• Tim and April point out the deep hypocrisy: conservative figureheads are quick to police language or condemn Democratic leaders’ innocuous messages, but ignore or rationalize Trump’s threats and blasphemies (17:44–21:15).

• Example: Megan Basham responds to Obama’s Easter greeting and critiques non-Christians for speaking about Easter, but stays silent on Trump’s violent outburst.

  • Quote:
    “There’s no bottom... The idiocy knows no bounds.” – April (16:04)

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4. Cognitive Dissonance & Hypocrisy in Evangelical Spaces

(Timestamps: 21:31–36:53)

• The hosts highlight the cognitive dissonance: Trump’s actions are excused as "just Trump being Trump,” while Democrats face accusations of erasing Christianity for normal acknowledgments (e.g., Trans Day of Visibility coinciding with Easter).

  • Quote:
    “The F bombs are more egregious to white evangelicals than actual bombs.” – April (12:00)

• Allie Beth Stuckey’s selective outrage:

  • When Trump posts threats and blasphemy on Easter, Stuckey downplays it (31:11)
  • When Biden acknowledges Trans Day of Visibility, she devotes an hour-long YouTube tirade to denouncing him for (falsely) “declaring” Easter as Trans Day of Visibility (36:07)

• Tim summarizes the logic:

  • “Christian nationalism is built on power and control. Whatever gives them that is what they're going to celebrate. Trump gives them that power, so they're never going to critique him, even though what he says is horrible.” (20:20)

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5. Conservative Apostates & Shifting Alliances

(Timestamps: 21:48–25:19, 25:53–29:25)

• Notable conservatives like Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Candace Owens break ranks, calling out Trump’s language and instability.

  • Tucker Carlson’s condemnation (22:30):
    • Quote:
      "You are mocking me and every other Christian because we’re Christians. We can’t support that." – Tucker Carlson (23:17)
  • Hosts caution listeners not to view these as true allies, but acknowledge the emerging cracks in Trump's coalition.

• Others, such as Megan Basham, attempt to rewrite their own history as lifetime Trump boosters to distance themselves—now claiming they only ever supported the “lesser of two evils.” (25:53–29:05)

  • Quote from Basham:
    “Casting a vote is not a signal of someone’s eternal devotion. It’s just choosing the best available set of policies and personnel. That’s it.” – (26:33)

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6. Unveiling the Depths of Evangelical Contradiction

(Timestamps: 29:29–41:02)

• April and Tim play and analyze Allie Beth Stuckey’s response to Tucker Carlson, where she insists Trump’s post should not impact “your joy on Easter.”

  • Quote:
    “Out of all the ways she could respond... What a privileged ass take.” – April (31:18–32:15)
  • Tim critiques:
    "...How do you read the gospel story... and come away thinking that Trump represents that?” (33:02)

• The episode dives into Allie Beth’s hour-long video denouncing Joe Biden for recognizing trans people as made in the image of God—even though her own approach to Trump’s threats was passivity.

  • “She gave a lot of power to Joe Biden then. Wow. It sounds like Joe Biden ruined your Easter.” – Tim (36:26)

• Tim and April debunk the misuse of Genesis 1:27 to exclude or erase trans identities (38:53–40:14).

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7. Trump’s Escalating Threats: The Iran "Extinction-level" Post

(Timestamps: 41:02–44:43)

• Trump follows Sunday’s outburst with a Tuesday post:

  • “A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again...”
  • Tim and April note that this is the clearest, most open genocidal threat ever made by a sitting U.S. president.

• The hosts urge listeners not to be desensitized:

  • “A sitting United States president should not be threatening to end, to genocide an entire people group.” – April (43:08)

• Despite claims of successful negotiation when nothing materializes, these are unmistakable signs of authoritarianism normalizing previously unthinkable conduct.

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8. Calls for the 25th Amendment and Political Shift

(Timestamps: 44:43–52:05)

• High-profile conservatives (MTG, Candace Owens, Alex Jones) call for invoking the 25th Amendment (45:27–47:34).
• Realistically, the 25th would require action from Trump’s cabinet—unlikely given his current control over the party. Impeachment is also unlikely until midterm elections potentially shift Congressional power.
• Hosts urge persistent public pressure and making Trump’s instability a mainstream topic to sway undecided or wavering Republicans.

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9. Broader Implications: Christian Nationalism, the Economy, and Accountability

(Timestamps: 48:20–52:46)

• Tim notes the deep complicity of white evangelicals and right-wing organizations in bringing Trump to power.
• Sharp criticism of rising economic anxiety under Trump and the administration’s focus on militarism, social cuts, and targeting vulnerable populations (50:41).
• Emphasis on the importance of the coming midterms as an inflection point for accountability and possible impeachment if Democrats regain the House.

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10. Handling Ex-MAGA Repentance

(Timestamps: 55:30–59:16)

• Super chat sparks talk: How should ex-MAGA voters be treated when/if they finally see the light?
  • Tim: “Repentance is a gift to do better. We have to make room. We absolutely have to.” (58:07)
  • April: “Giving them the space and just encouraging like, hey, keep pulling that string. Keep going.” (58:58)

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11. Developing Story: Pentagon Threatens the Vatican

(Timestamps: 62:15–70:06)

• New report alleges Pentagon officials threatened Vatican’s representative over Pope Leo’s criticism of Trump’s handling of Iran and immigration.

  • Threat included referencing the Avignon papacy (when a Pope was deposed by force).

  • The Pope subsequently cancels his planned U.S. visit, out of safety concerns.

  • J.D. Vance, prominent Catholic MAGA figure, dodges questions about the incident (66:06).

  • Explores the growing schisms within Christian nationalism between Catholic and Protestant factions.

  • Quote: “If the Christian nationalists get their way, the Catholics are not going to be picked. They're going to be persecuted just like everybody else. Because ... the vast majority of evangelicals that are MAGA do not believe Catholics can be Christian.” – April (70:06)

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12. Levity – 'Christian Weirdness' and Capitalism

(Timestamps: 71:02–73:55)

• The show ends on a lighter note dissecting a bizarre Christian car dealership Easter promo, lampooning the fusion of capitalism and religious kitsch.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump’s Threats:
  “A sitting United States president should not be threatening to end, to genocide an entire people group.” – April (43:08)

• On Evangelical Double Standards:
  “The F bombs are more egregious to white evangelicals than actual bombs, for sure.” – April (12:00)

• On Conservative Gaslighting:
  “Christian nationalism is built on power and control. Whatever gives them that is what they're going to celebrate. Trump gives them that power, so they're never going to critique him, even though what he says is horrible.” – Tim (20:20)

• On Ex-MAGA Repentance:
  "We have to make room. We absolutely have to... That doesn't mean I trust them. That doesn't mean we give them a platform and make them a leader in the new movement." – April (59:16)

• On the Threat to the Vatican:
  “Honestly, I can't get over the fact that the Pentagon allegedly threatened the Pope. Like, what are we doing?” – April (74:01)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:33 – April’s experience in a queer-affirming church
• 09:07 – Reading of Trump’s Easter threat post
• 12:00 – “The F bombs are more egregious to white evangelicals than actual bombs.”
• 22:30 – Tucker Carlson’s condemnation of Trump’s post
• 31:11 – Allie Beth Stuckey’s response, “just roll your eyes”
• 41:02 – Analysis of Trump’s “extinction level” threat to Iran
• 45:27 – Margorie Taylor Greene calls for the 25th Amendment
• 55:30 – Discussion of how to handle ex-MAGA repentance
• 62:15 – Detailed discussion of Pentagon threatening the Vatican

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Tone & Language

Tim and April maintain their trademark mix of passionate critique, incredulous humor, and compassionate advocacy for a just, inclusive faith. Sarcasm and righteous indignation flavor their analysis, especially when confronting hypocrisy and dangerous authoritarianism.

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Summary for Listeners

This episode is essential for anyone wrestling with the intersection of faith, politics, and current American events. Through sharp critique, real-life examples, and genuine care for their neighbors, Tim and April dissect the depths of Christian nationalist hypocrisy, sound the alarm about democracy and nuclear war, and refuse to let moral standards be defined by political expediency or power. If you want to understand both the stakes and the soul of today’s church/state crisis—and get a few laughs along the way—this is the episode to start with.

Transcript

[A]

You're listening to a new evangelicals production, The Tim and April show, where we unravel faith, politics, and culture. Hello, every. Hi. Welcome to the Tim and April Show. I am April A joy.

[B]

I am Tim Whitaker. Did I throw you off with that? Boom. My bad.

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Yeah, I was just low and guttural.

[B]

Well, I was excited because we're back on Substack today because last week when I hit the live button, I got an error message that substack wasn't working. But we're back, so. Hello, Lincoln Square audience. Good to be with all of you. Sorry about technical. Technical difficulties last week. It's hard to explain, but Substack is very weird with how it talks to other programs, so. But we're back now. We.

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We are back.

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Threw some anointing oil on it. We laid hands on it. God is good all the time.

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You could say our seed was resurrected, perhaps.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He turns graves into gardens. Bam, bam, bam. Okay, I'll stop now. That's a good song, though. Look, I'm just gonna say it. Modern worship music has some bangers. They do. Like, as a professional drummer in that space for a long time, that they have some freaking bangers. And that is one of them. I'm just saying. I'm.

[A]

There are definitely some bangers. There are definitely songs that still give me chills.

[B]

Yeah, no, for sure. Especially if. I'll tell you a brief story about this because. Why not? Quickly. I'll be quick. So I was at a larger megachurch a couple a year or two ago that was hosting a event for parents of queer kids, and they had a panel of queer people. And it was beautiful. Like, this was not a side B. You can be gay, but can't act on it. These were like actual. Like, one person was married. One person was a trans. Trans man. And we're singing these songs I grew up singing, but in this context. And, like, it made me cry because I was like, whoa, what if we actually lived out what so many of these songs declare for all people, not just for certain types of people. So I definitely think that a lot of these songs can be beautiful if they're repurposed for what they. And are allowed to embody the values that they claim for everyone, not just for white conservative Christians.

[A]

Oh, totally. I remember, like, one of the first times I was in a church service that was. It was in a queer affirming church. The pastor was lesbian. And I remember just crying because it was. There was something just really beautiful about seeing a group of queer people singing Worship songs like, honestly, the faith of queer Christians, which is very inspiring because you're part of a faith that is, like, truly in many ways so unwelcoming to, like, the main, at least in, like, America, mainstream evangelicalism. So, yes, yes, I feel that.

[B]

Yeah, no, absolutely. So, anyway, friends, listen. Welcome into the show. We have a lot to talk about, a lot to talk about because, wow, it's been one heck of a week already. If you're just joining the live on YouTube. Thank you so much. Please make sure you to hit the like button. It really helps us out. Subscribe to the channel. If you're watching on substack. Hi. Tap gently that heart button. It really helps us. And thanks for watching. It means so much. If you're new to the show, April and I are former conservative evangelical fundamentalists. Slash, you can say Christian nationalist. And we followed Jesus right out the door of that world. So we are very much still Christian. But now we spend a lot of our time helping folks know that there's a better path forward in faith and helping other folks who didn't grow up like us understand Christian nationalism and why it is so dangerous to society and to the world. So thank you so much. And this show is produced by the New Evangelicals, a nonprofit organization that I founded in 2020, now run by Melinda Hale. If you're looking for a better path forward in faith, the New Evangelicals is the place to be. They have all kinds of resources, free classes, amazing other podcasts like the New Evangelicals Podcast and Advocacy Hour, all kinds of things designed to help you find a better path forward in faith. Everything that the org does is totally free as a nonprofit. So go to thenewevangelicals.com or follow us on social media. The New Evangelicals on any platform.

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Haru cosign all that.

[B]

Oh, one more announcement. Do you wanna. You should announce this. I just yapped a lot. You wanna make the weekend?

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We're actually going to be doing a live event, like in person. Tim and I, on Sunday, May 17, in Florida. Sarasota.

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Sarasota, yes.

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Sarasota, Florida.

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Yeah.

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What was the name of the church?

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Harvest Church.

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Harvest Church in Sarasota.

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It's a Sunday morning.

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Sunday. Sunday morning, May 17th. We will be darkening the doors of a church. To all our haters out there, it's

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a totally free event. There's no cost. Please come out. We'd love to meet you. If you're in the area May 17, just look up the church online. It's Sarasota. It's Harvest Fellowship in Sarasota to see, like, their service times. We'll be doing. I think we're going to try and do a podcast on the stage and if can live stream it, we will, but I have to check out the technical abilities of the church first. But, yeah, we're coming. We're doing a live event, which I'm so pumped for. I mean, it's gonna be great. I love live events. They're a great time.

[A]

Yeah. It'll be fun. And I'll see you in the flesh for the first time in over a year.

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It's crazy. Yeah, I know, I know. Okay.

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Crazy.

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All right. Easter. We're talking about Easter today.

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Sunday was Easter.

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Yeah. One of the most holiest days in all of Christianity.

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Yeah.

[B]

I mean, it's one of the very few times where Catholics and Protestants come together and celebrate the resurrection on the same day. Eastern Orthodox, they have a different calendar, but they still celebrate it, just not on that Sunday. But still very important. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And more on Catholic stuff later. There is a developing story that is truly unbelievable. But. Yeah. So Easter was this past Sunday. You know, me and my family went to church as per usual. We did an Easter egg hunt. We did all the little things, but it was. I don't know about you, but it felt. I. I was a little distracted because of what the President of the United States posted on Easter Sunday morning.

[B]

I. I don't know why you'd be distracted. He is the greatest champion of Christianity to ever exist in the executive office, according to Paula White, the pastor of Trump. So I would imagine it was one of the best Easter proclamations that we've ever seen from the White House ever in our life. That's what I would imagine.

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Right. And I can't recall, I think we covered this last week, but this is coming a few days after Paula White compared Donald Trump to Jesus.

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Yes.

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In their White House Easter luncheon.

[B]

Yes. She compared the suffering of Jesus to the suffering of Trump. Just like how Jesus was unfairly accused. So was Trump. I mean, she really said that. Yeah.

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And I. And I think she said because Jesus rose again, that whatever Trump set his mind to, he would accomplish.

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Yes. Yes. He would also rise again.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. It was great. It was beautiful. Yeah. Totally. Totally.

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Standing right beside her were Franklin Graham and Robert Jeffries.

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Yes. Yes.

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So evangelical pastors just nodding along, the

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heresy hunters who think that progressive Christians who are queer affirming are just so damned to hell, standing in front of a woman who is proclaiming that Trump has suffered just like how Jesus Christ has suffered in honor of Easter week, of Holy Week. And they're just nodding along like, mm, Amen. Bravo. So with that in our. In our background, I would imagine it'd be a beautiful proclamation. Shall we take a look?

[A]

Yeah. Well, I do wanna say on Saturday, the day before Easter, Trump. The White House did release a video of Trump giving an actual Easter message. I mean, you could tell someone clearly wrote it for him, but we decided we don't need to play that, because I was like, do we need to be fair and play his, like, Easter message on Saturday? And I just. You know, it just reminds me of that verse. Like, these people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. And to me, it's just lip service. And it literally means nothing because his actions and fruit does not back up anything Christianese that this man could ever say.

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Well, except for this tweet that we're gonna pull here. I mean, April, I think you should read it in your typical Trump voice.

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Okay. There is cursing in this post, and so I'm gonna go ahead and read it.

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Yes, you should read it.

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And so I'll technically be cussing. So if you have children in the car, you may want to skip ahead because there's an F bomb incoming.

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Here we go. I wrote on my threads a beautiful Easter message from Christianity's greatest champion. April, do us the honors.

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All right. Donald Trump at 8:00am so this is Easter morning.

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Morning.

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Most Christians are thinking about the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It's a glorious day of celebration.

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Yes.

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And this is what Donald Trump decides to post at 8:03am on Easter morning. Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one in Iran, there will be nothing like it. Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. President Donald J. Trump. Wow.

[B]

Wow. I feel inspired, April. Oh, I've never seen a better proclamation on Easter morning from any sitting. I mean, Paula White is right. This is the man who champions Jesus like no one else. Clearly. Can I also mention I am very much still Christian. I know you are too. And frankly, Easter and Holy Week are, like, very sacred in the Christian tradition. Like, this is arguably, like, the most important day that we celebrate the resurrection of Christ and what it stands for, which is. It's so. It's such a beautiful story. And, like. And what it. All that it represents. And to have a president post something like this on Easter morning is already kind of insulting. But let alone when white evangelicals and Christian Nationalists are shoving down our throat the fact that this man represents biblical values and Christian values and that this man stands for Christ. I mean, Paula White said during that press conference or that meeting that he's not ashamed of Jesus Christ. And he posts this on Sunday morning. Are you kidding me?

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Are you kidding me? So I want to make. I want to point out something that.

[B]

Please.

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So when he says power plant day and bridge day, he's threatening to bomb their power plants and bridges. Like he's threatening to actually bomb Iran. Which. Which is something we have been doing with Israel.

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Yes.

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For what, a month now?

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Yes. For a long time. Bombing children, bombing schools, bombing synagogues, by the way. Bombing things.

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Yeah. So. And from an objective standpoint, if you look, read this tweet, the most egregious thing that he says here is about actually bombing another. Like, another country. Like, that's the worst. But if you were a white evangelical, like, we were raised.

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Yep.

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You would be most offended by the F word.

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100%. 100% the F word.

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Yeah. The F bombs are more egregious to white evangelicals than actual bombs, for sure.

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Yes. Yes.

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And then also, the praise be to Allah is a huge one too, because if you come from this world is super Islamophobic. And I was like, okay, how are people justifying this? Because that was what. That was where my mind went.

[B]

I know where you're going.

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I know that Donald Trump said, like, I need to stop being surprised by things that he says because he's truly unhinged and diabolical at this point.

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Yeah.

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But I am still surprised at how so many maga. Evangelical Christian, Christian nationalists find ways.

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Yeah.

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To justify every new egregious thing that Donald Trump does. And they found ways. I mean, they're getting creative. They are getting creative.

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Let's keep in mind, before we share this example of what we're talking about, that if this was President Harris and she wrote even something that was half as extreme as that tweet, you bet your butt that every conservative pundit, Ali Stuckey, William Wolfe, Bendy Johnson, I mean, J.D. they may all be. Oh, they. She hates Easter. How dare she desecrate the holiest day of. Of the year for Christians. This woman is evil. She's satanic. You know, they would be all over her because they were all over President Joe Biden in 2024, when Trans Day of visibility coincided with Easter. And he recognized both. Which I. I know we'll get into,

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but he recognized both sides separately. Separately, not together.

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Right.

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Yeah, we'll get more into that.

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He's a racing Easter. And by the way, it just shows how ridiculous this worldview is. Because on one hand, Joe Biden was weak, empathetic, and losing his mind. On the other hand, he's so powerful that just by declaring that he recognizes trans visibility, he has the power to erase Easter for all of Christianity. Like.

[A]

I know, I know. We're getting ahead of ourselves.

[B]

Sorry, sorry.

[A]

We'll get there.

[B]

You ready?

[A]

I also, I just want to point out too, can you just imagine if President Obama said praise be to Allah on Easter Sunday? Joking or not?

[B]

First thing I thought about, I'm like,

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they already think he's Muslim, despite him saying multiple times that he is in fact a Christian and goes to a Christian church.

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100%, but. Okay, anywho. Okay, here we are. How are they going to spin this one?

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When I saw this, my mouth drop,

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like, there's no bottom.

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I was actually shocked by this. Okay. Dinesh d', Souza, he is a right wing Christian nationalist and he's also like,

[B]

one of, like, the worst. I mean, this is someone who did documentaries on Obama that were just total, you know, horse. It was horse crap. It was just garbage. So he's not a credible voice, but he's very well known.

[A]

Oh, yeah. And he's. He's got a lot of. He's got a lot of influence in those spaces.

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A ton.

[A]

Okay. He. This is how he justified Trump's tweet. If you're still trying to figure out Trump's praise be to Allah, reflect on this. And Elijah mocked the prophets of BAAL saying cry aloud, for he is a God. Either he is musing or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened. And then Eric Metaxas quote tweeted and agreed with them and said, Trump knows the God of the Irg Muslims is a false and evil entity, just as BAAL is. I love that he would mock that God publicly. We need more of this, not less.

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I just.

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So they found a way to say that Trump saying praise be to Allah is just like an Old Testament biblical prophet.

[B]

Yep, yep.

[A]

The idiocy knows no bounds.

[B]

Yeah. No, but this is how Christian nationalists has been operating, right? They've been comparing Trump to Cyrus in the Hebrew Bible. They love to make the comparison that Trump is like this special God anointed figure. So while this is absurd and also like blasphemous, it's totally on brand for these people because for them, they really do see Trump as some kind of, like, incarnate version of God. They really do. They think that he is some kind of chosen one. I mean, Trump himself said, I am the chosen one. No one batted an eye. There are books written about how Trump is the chosen one. There are people like Dinesh d' Souza comparing him to Elijah or Lance Wall now comparing him to Osiris and how he has a special anointing to bring back, you know, the nation. This is what they do. They. They talk about idolatry, talk about heresy, talk about, like, a false gospel. That's what this is all the way. And it leads you to. To defend the most ridiculous things that you can imagine. It's. It is. It's unbelievable. It's unreal. I don't even know what to say. Like, what do you say to that?

[A]

I don't know. It's. It's. They've lost the plot, for sure. I want to. Let's go through a few other responses to this. I thought it was interesting. I don't know if you pulled these. So I went and looked because some people didn't respond to Trump's tweet at all, but did take issue with other people's Easter messages. Do you have which one?

[B]

I pulled them all.

[A]

Just Meg Basham.

[B]

Of course I have it. Of course I have it. I think. No, I definitely have it. Give me a second. This is a new setup or Ali

[A]

Beth Stuckey, one of those two.

[B]

Is it this one?

[A]

Yes. I just. I went and looked. I was like, surely they're saying something to condemn what Trump said on Easter Sunday. Megan Basham, who has made it her entire personality to go after any Christian who doesn't support Trump.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

She decided to critique to make a comment on Barack Obama's Easter message.

[B]

It's been a decade, guys. It's been 10 years.

[A]

Yeah. So Obama posted a picture of him and his family in church, and he said to everyone celebrating Easter, michelle and I wish you a joyful holiday filled with reminders of the enduring power of faith and hope. And Megan Basham, quote, tweeted it and says, faith alone has no power, only faith in Jesus Christ, who died and rose again, taking the punishment earned by our sin offers hope for this life and in the next. And, like, that's fine and whatever. It was just interesting that out of all the energy, she chose was not to condemn Donald Trump's F bomb, praising Allah and then threatening to blow up Iran. It's not that Easter. No, it was. It was President Obama actually, in Church.

[B]

Yes.

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That she was like, yeah, that's what I need to respond to this.

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This is where the real heresy lies.

[A]

Yeah. Alibastucky. Also, she didn't say anything about Donald Trump's Easter tweet.

[B]

No, hold on. I. I get it. I had. I had them all. This one. Nope, no, wrong one. I'm frozen. Which one? Which one? I have so many. I have this one. I know.

[A]

I'll get it.

[B]

Sorry, guys.

[A]

We have a lot today.

[B]

We do. I thought.

[A]

Where did I. Anyway, she critiqued Zoran Mumdani. She literally made a post saying that she doesn't like when non Christians talk about Easter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Basically, you can go look it up.

[B]

I. Yeah. Again, not. What we're saying is, is there's no. Here it is. I have it here. It's this one here. I'll just pull it up like this. There you go.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So this is actually Good Friday. And she said, I really don't like hearing non Christians talk about Easter as if it's some abstract allegory. It'd be better to not talk about it at all.

[B]

So whatever. Yeah, again, like, it just shows, like, what they care about. They make a big deal out of, like, things that are totally fine and. And they are quiet on, like, the actual blasphemy. Blasphemy and heresy by their own champion. Because they are stuck. Not stuck. They choose to. Christian nationalism is built on power and control. Right. So whatever gives them that is what they're gonna celebrate. Trump gives them that power, so they're never gonna critique him, even though what he says is horrible. That's how the logic works. I mean, it's just. It's clear as day. It's clear as day. These are not real values.

[A]

Yeah. Cassie, our producer, made a point behind the scenes. Her saying she doesn't like non Christians talking about Easter, but yet they expect everybody to say hap or Merry Christmas and get mad if you. If you say Happy Holidays. So, like, why would that not apply exactly to that? And then also then that would be her co signing that Donald Trump is Christian then if those are her standards.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

So she didn't call out Trump when he said Happy Easter on Saturday.

[B]

Right, Right. That makes sense. Yeah. I'm just gonna repeat, like, Ali essentially is saying, I like when Christians, you know, talk about a Christian holiday, but at the same time is mad when people say Happy Holidays.

[A]

Yeah. It can't be both. Yeah, yeah, but they do. I mean, the cognitive dissonance is. Is literally applies to so many things to Be fair, though. There were some people that called Trump out that are conservatives and Republicans, one of them being Tucker Carlson.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Which. And I just want. We. I want to preface this by saying Tucker. And there's been a few of them. Marjorie Taylor Greene, also even Candace Owens. Like, there are some formerly hardcore MAGA people that are turning on Trump and are saying things that agree with us, but just a big warning. They are still very problematic and anti Semitic. Like, they're calling out Israel and. And standing up for Palestine for anti Semitic reasons. Not like. Anyway, so just be wary of these people. But Tucker did actually call this out, and we want you to play this video because then. Yeah, okay, here we go.

[D]

It'll be nothing like it. Open the Effin Strait. How dare you speak that way on Easter morning to the country. Who do you think you are? You're tweeting out the F word on Easter morning. You'll be living in hell as if hell is a place. Hell is a condition, and this is an example of that condition. Just watch.

[B]

Watch. I'm sorry, I cannot believe Tucker is saying things that you and I say. Like, Tucker agrees with us because we often say hell is on earth, and it looks like what's happening in Gaza, in Iran. Weird. A weird timeline, Ren. So weird.

[D]

Please be to Allah. You're mocking the religion of Iran. Okay, if you seek a religious war,

[B]

that's a good idea.

[D]

The message of all faith at the biggest picture level is the message in our Bible, which is, you are not God, and only if you think you are, do you talk this way. This is a mockery not just of Islam. It's a mockery of Christianity. To send out a tweet with the F word on Easter morning promising the murder of civilians and then saying praise be to Allah without explaining any of it. You are mocking me and every other Christian because we're Christians. We can't support that.

[A]

I mean, I concur.

[B]

What do you say to that?

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

Yes. You know what annoys me about Tucker is that if he actually had real integrity and moral, like, you know, conviction, and he decided to repent from all of his hatred that he spewed over the past, like, 15, 20 years between the great replacement theory on Fox News to the point where David Duke cheered him on platforming Nick Fuentes and not pushing back on his comments about loving Hitler, if, like, Tucker really repented and had a true conversion to following the way of the crucified and risen Jesus, he would be so great, because when he says that, it's like, dude, you are spot on. The problem is that you just don't really know why he's saying this. Like, there's a deeper motive. In my opinion that is not good. But on this point, he agrees with us, which I will definitely take that win. Oh, yeah.

[A]

And I definitely do not trust Tucker. But I will say I am going to give a little bit of room for people to change their minds. At the end of the day, we want people to change their minds. And I do hope if people are actually waking up to how terrible Trump is, you know, and I would. You and I are frustrated because it's like, really? You're just now seeing it because he's been like this the whole time.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I. If you are questioning Trump for whatever reason, whatever is starting your questioning, I hope you keep pulling that string.

[B]

I hope so too. I would just like some acknowledgement that you were wrong like that.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Agree.

[B]

April, you and I have admitted more times than I can count that we were wrong on so many issues. Being an evangelical, you know, fundamentalist. Right, right. And we've acknowledged that we had the wrong views on so many things. I don't think it's too much to ask for someone like Tucker if he really is changing his mind.

[A]

To apologize.

[B]

Yeah. To be honest and to apologize and just say I was wrong. Like, at least start there.

[A]

Do you have. Actually, that's really quick. This is slightly, slightly off, but it's on topic. I don't know if you have it that Meg Basham tweet. I have it about, you know what I'm talking about. Okay. So something that I've been seeing actually there. The pressure has been put on a lot of Trump supporters because they least self aware enough to know that it's not good to support Trump right now. Like, it's not. It doesn't make you look like a moral person if you are still supporting Donald Trump. Now granted, there are still a lot of people drinking the Kool Aid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But a lot of people are realizing, and maybe it's just to save their own platform for the future once Donald Trump's gone. But there are people starting to say, which is interesting. I've seen this from several that are suddenly like distancing themselves from how much they ever supported Trump and saying like, well, we were just voting for the lesser of two evils and blah, blah, blah, you know, like trying to act like they never were. Rah, rah Trump. And so here's an example. Meg Basham tweeted this.

[B]

Wait, is this which one is this

[A]

a day or two ago? Is it this the one where she talks about your vote? Yeah. So at the bottom there. Yeah. Okay, so the main one is the one in the middle there from April 6th.

[B]

But really quick, can we just give context? Megan Basham is a journalist for the Daily Wire. This is for all the new listeners out there. And she is someone who, like, lies about a lot of things. Most famously, she has attacked sexual abuse survivors of the SBC Southern Baptist Convention and has essentially dragged their name through the mud. So she is, like, this is a very bad faith actor who is a Trump acolyte who claims to be a true Christian. That's the context.

[A]

And she wrote a whole book called Shepherds for Sale where she attacked other evangelicals that she thought went liberal and leftist because they want to vote for Donald Trump. Like, we're talking about people who are still theologically very conservative.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But would not support Donald Trump for all the reasons that we talk about all the time. And she's, like, made it her whole mission to take down other Christians who don't support Trump.

[B]

Like Russell Moore.

[A]

That's the litmus test.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So suddenly, this week on April 6, she tweets out, casting a vote is not a signal of someone's eternal devotion. It's just choosing the best available set of policies and personnel. That's it.

[B]

What? I'm sorry, Megan. What?

[A]

Rightfully so. People start bringing up old tweets of hers where she says, basically, you can't be a Democrat or you can't be a Christian and vote for a Democrat. And so one thing she said, that someone, quote, tweeted her, she said, maybe, just maybe, it's been a bad idea to suggest that one can faithfully be a Democrat and a Christian. Someone, like, replied to her thing to say, like this, you. And she replied and doubled down and said, that is correct. Christians should not vote for Democrats. It can't be both.

[B]

Megan, it is. You know, we were going to talk about this a little while ago, but I'll say it here. This is the kind of stuff April and I and many people who do this work deal with daily. It's like this kind of cognitive distance. You're like, wait, guys, it's literally right in front of you. It's right. And you're saying, that's what? That's correct. What's correct? Megan Basham and Alvy Stuckey have been very clear that you cannot be a Democrat and be a Christian. I mean, this is, like, clear as day for these people. Clear as day. And all of a sudden, guys, look, a vote. You're just casting a vote. It's not that important. And then when someone shows Megan her previous tweets about how you can't be a Democrat and a Christian, she goes, that's correct.

[A]

What? What?

[B]

Megan and you wrote a book, A publisher chose to publish your work. You think this is coherent? Oh, my God. I mean, yeah, to this person. It's a cult. It is like, what other word is there? It's a freaking cult.

[A]

It is.

[B]

So is this a good time to bring up Ali's video responding to Tucker?

[A]

Yeah, I think this is a great time.

[B]

This is a great. Speaking of cocktails.

[A]

So Ali. Ali did finally respond to Donald Trump's Easter tweet by responding to Tucker Carlson's response to Donald Trump's Easter tweet.

[B]

For any of you who follow us and know how and know Ali Stuckey, you're just in for. You're going to be. If you're driving, listening to this on the podcast. Just pull over. You might run yourself off the road when you hear this.

[A]

Okay, I just snorted.

[B]

All right, here we go. Here we go.

[D]

The morning of Easter is a uniquely joyful and peaceful moment. And yet that peace yesterday was shattered. That's not an overstatement. It was shattered for many observant Christians by a statement that the President United States put out at 8:03am Eastern Time on Easter morning. Did the President United States really just write that? It is maybe the most real thing this president has ever done and also the most revealing. It is vile on every level.

[B]

He's right.

[C]

Your celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ hangs on the truth social posts of Donald Trump. Your priorities are so out of whack. I don't remember if I saw this post in the morning, if I saw it in the afternoon. I wasn't hanging out on social media in the morning of Easter. But if you did see it that morning, then it you roll your eyes and you say, that's ridiculous. That's Donald Trump. He shouldn't have said that. And that's not really an appropriate thing to say, especially today. And you move on and you go to church with your family and you eat and you do the Easter egg hunt and you have a great day. Trump just doesn't have this kind of power in my life. He doesn't have the power to steal my joy. He doesn't have the power to steal my peace. He doesn't have the power to shatter my resurrection Sunday. And if he has that power in your life, I honestly think that you should ask why.

[D]

So the, The.

[B]

I don't. Oh, my God. Oh my.

[A]

Out of, out of all the ways she could respond to that,

[B]

my head is going to fall off of my shoulders. It's just going to roll like my, My brain is going to ooze out of my ears. I could not believe the person who yaps all day 247 about how bad every Democrat is, about how bad Democrats hate everything that Christ stands for. All of a sudden, when her dude posts one of the most, like, evil things you can think of on Easter Sunday, you just roll your eyes and say, yeah, it's not appropriate. And you just move on, guys. You just move on like nothing ever happened. Are you.

[A]

What. What a privileged ass take. What a privileged. I'm sorry, Donald Trump, like, if he, if he were to actually bomb the power plants and the bridges, like he said, like, that's war crimes because you're going after civilian structures.

[B]

I have to read this comment and I'll censor. But Ethan says in the chat he has the power to drop a GD nuke. She couldn't give less of a crap about brown people. She's. Ethan, you're totally right. Like, Trump has immense power. He can drop a nuke whenever he wants.

[A]

Yeah, like, I'm sorry, I actually care if, like thousands of people are going to die, especially on Easter Sunday when I am celebrating my say, like Christ my savior, who died for all the people that Donald Trump is literally threatening to kill on Easter Sunday. Like, I'm sorry, as a Christian, I do care about that.

[B]

That's what I still, to this day, I don't know how Allie or people like her tell themselves that they are being consistent with the teachings of Christ in how they act and what they. And what they advocate for. How do you read the gospel story of Jesus's death, his crucifixion, his resurrection, and come away thinking that Trump represents that and come away thinking that, like, Trumpism is, is that agenda. So it's not just the fact that Donald Trump said terrible things. It's that he's championed by people like Ali as the only Christian choice. You can't be a Democrat and vote Christian. Ali has said that. So your only choice as a Christ follower, you know, the unhoused Palestinian Jew who was killed, by the way, a criminal's death that Rome didn't even give their own citizens. You had to be a non citizen to be crucified. So Christ died the way of an immigrant brutally and was resurrected And Ali thinks that what Trump is doing and his policies are in line with that. And when he speaks in the most dehumanizing ways, all you gotta do, guys, is just roll your eyes, say, well, that. That's just Donald Trump. You know how he is. And you just move on with your day and do your Easter egg hunt. The caucasity of this woman.

[A]

The caucasity I know.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Especially given what we're going to talk about in a minute.

[A]

Hypocrisy of it all.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Little Miss Elizabeth Stuckey lost her mind, along with every other MAGA person, when Joe Biden declared March 31, which has always been the date of Trans Day of visibility.

[B]

Always.

[A]

He said March 31. Trans Day of visibility. And that year, Easter also happened to fall on March 31. Biden never said Easter is now Trans Day of Visibility. It was literally just the date and they lost their own minds. Ali best Dougie quote tweets, it says, just a reminder that there is zero justification for a Christian to ever vote Democrat.

[B]

Think about that for a second. All because Joe Biden recognized what has always been recognized for the past several years, and it recognizes trans people as being made in the image of God, as worthy of dignity and respect. This is where toxic empathy leads you, folks. Toxic empathy. Right. Leads you to simp for a war hungry, genocidal maniac president and leads you to condemn and critique a president who simply acknowledges that trans people exist and says, we see you and you are loved by God. That is the backwards nature of Ali Stuckey's theology. And this is where it leads. Forget what she says. Look at the fruit of what she advocates for. It cannot be any clearer. It cannot be any clearer.

[A]

And she didn't just tweet about it. She dedicated an entire YouTube video that was like, what, an hour long?

[B]

Yes, she did. Yes. Sorry I'm ranting here, but yes.

[A]

No, it's fine. It was like an hour long video. YouTube video, that she dedicated the entire thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the Joe Biden Easter Trans Day of visibility thing.

[B]

And I got two clips to show everyone. So here's how she introed the video.

[C]

President Biden proclaimed that Easter Sunday this year was also Transgender Day of Visibility.

[B]

Okay, sorry, we have to say that. Change

[A]

Easter Sundays, transgender.

[B]

Her voice, it's nails on a chalkboard.

[A]

Oh, I can't. I know. The condescension, too.

[B]

It's like, guys, remember Trump's just being Trump. That genocide Trump, he's just, just. He doesn't have that kind of power in my life. But, Ali, you gave a lot of power to Joe Biden then. Wow. It sounds like Joe Biden had a. It sounds like Joe Biden ruined your Easter. He gave. He had a lot of power in your life to the point where you did an entire podcast episode devoted to Joe Biden for recognizing trans day visibility. Yeah. Yeah. All right. And so here's the other clip that

[A]

I have a false premise, by the way, because he never declared Easter trans day of visibility.

[B]

You're right. We need to be clear. Easter rotates like it's a different day.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, it's a different date on the calendar. Trans day of visibility is always March 31. They just happen to coincide. That's all that happened. It happens. Yeah. Okay, here's our other clip from this. From this YouTube video.

[C]

Today on transgender day of visibility. This is a tweet or a post on X. I have a simple message to all trans Americans. I see you. You are made in the image of God and you're worthy of respect and. And dignity.

[B]

Oh, the horror.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Guys, can you believe that Joe Biden said this? Like, we have to devote a whole hour long podcast to this insanity. He's. He's a radical. This is a radical Marxist right here. I. Okay, part two.

[C]

You are made in the image of God. Now, obviously he did not look at the entire verse. I'm sure President Biden has no idea what verse that is. I'm sure he didn't write this tweet. But if you were to ask him, hey, what verse in the Bible says that we are made in the image of God? I would. If I were a betting woman, I would bet a lot of money that President Biden has no idea what verse actually says that. But, you know, it's an interesting verse.

[A]

I would bet anyone does. Yeah, yeah, he's the one who goes to Catholic mass every single Sunday. Yeah, he knows.

[B]

You should ask Trump that question, though. Ask Trump if it's in 2 Corinthians or not. Go ask him that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, sorry.

[C]

My button here to this podcast has heard me say it a million bajillion times. And that's Genesis 1:27. And so, gosh, it's so important for us to know this. God cares so much that we know what it means to be made in his image, that he puts this information in the first chapter of the first book of the bible.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Genesis 1:27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God. He created him. Male and female. He created them. Oh, My goodness, so many answers to so many of our cultural moral questions of the day.

[B]

No, no, no. This is. If you're a Christian out there, please throw out the best suckies theology in the trash and hit the delete button. This is horrific theology. Genesis 1:27 is not giving a commentary on gender and sexuality. You know why? Because those concepts weren't understood back then. That is not the purpose of Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 or Genesis 3. And like you always say, April, I'm steal your line if you're okay with that. You know, just like how the Bible says that we created it created day and night in Genesis 1. That doesn't mean that there isn't sunset and that there isn't dusk and dawn, that there isn't this in between. Just because it says that God created male and female does not mean that, A, those people have to stay male or female, and B, that there isn't a spectrum, which we know scientifically there is. Intersex people exist. Right? We know that. We know that gender is. Is shaped largely by societal norms. Back in the day, the color pink was a boy's color. Did you know that?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Today it's a girl's color.

[A]

Like, these are people that conflate gender and sexuality, despite those being two different things.

[B]

Yes. Like, yes.

[A]

From the get go.

[E]

But.

[A]

Yeah, but the point is actually called Miriam, which is talking about the. The creation story on a spectrum as opposed to a binary. It's clear. It's clearly both ends of a spectrum and everything in between. God created. God only created this and only created this, but he created these two things and everything in between.

[B]

And isn't that how life is? Life is always. Is mostly gray. Right. All these. These things are complicated. They're nuanced. There isn't. It's not a binary of even good and evil. It's really. Gets really complicated sometimes. Right. So anyway. But yeah, we had to point this out. We had to point out Alvi Stucky being like, guys genocide. Trump is just being Trump. Like, don't let it ruin you. But Joe Biden, can you believe he said this about trans people, that they're made in the image of God. Hour long PODCAST Hour long PODCAST well,

[A]

Donald Trump didn't stop there on Tuesday morning. Yeah, he tweeted out maybe the most, probably the most egregious thing he's ever tweeted out ever.

[B]

Ever.

[A]

I'd say.

[B]

I haven't pulled up. I didn't pull the whole thing because why read the whole thing? I mean, it's It's. It's.

[A]

Yeah. So he basically just said, I'm sure y' all have seen this by this point, because it. It made the news everywhere, because everybody. Everybody was alarmed by this. He said, a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have completed and total regime change, we're different, smart. Unless radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionary, revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight. And then, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he threatened to wipe out the entire civilization of Iran.

[B]

April, this is just Trump being Trump. Don't let it ruin your day, you know, don't let it steal your joy. It's just. Yeah, it's. He shouldn't have said this. Right. But, I mean, he's still God's chosen candidate, obviously.

[A]

Like, I don't. I don't. I don't know. Trump has the nuclear codes, and so him publicly making a threat like this, even though he didn't follow through. And thank God he didn't.

[B]

Yep. Thank God. Thank God he tacoed out.

[A]

Yeah, But. But this is. This is still truly egregious. The fact that he would even consider this or threaten this with the nuclear codes is something that we should not take lightly. And I do think, because Trump is just so unhinged all the time, a lot of us, including myself, we're starting to get, like, desensitized to things that he says. But this should not be normalized. A sitting United States president should not be threatening to end, to genocide an entire people group.

[B]

Yep. No, I mean, I'm with you. You know, we talk a lot about how part of the tactic of authoritarianism and fascism is to normalize what was once. What was once, you know, unthinkable. I mean, even the fact that Nick Fuentes is as popular as he is. Right. The fact that we have a president who says this stuff, when they do it all day, they wear you down. But we cannot let that happen. Like, we need to be very clear that the man who runs the largest superpower with nukes, who has the ability to make that call, threaten to wipe out not just, like, a few people, but an entire civilization that, in his words, quote, will never to be, will never be brought back again. Think about that for a second. And again, I just want to know, like, if you're. If you're a Christian who voted for Trump, like, does this worry you at all? Like, do you see? Do you see Even like, Like, like. Like a Jesus ethic in any sense of the word at all. Do you see A Christian ethic? Like, what are you. What are you thinking right now? You clearly have to be. You have to be rethinking things, right? I mean, I don't know, though, because if it wasn't sexual assault, if it wasn't him being in the Epstein files, if it wasn't all the past nine, almost 10 years now of Trump insurrection, lie for lie. I don't know if this is gonna change their mind. I don't know, because they're just so used to justifying it. Oh, well, he's just talking. And you know what they're doing, because it didn't actually happen. And Trump claimed that Iran agreed to peace terms, which they didn't. Now the rhetoric is, look, Trump's a master negotiator. See, we knew what he was doing. It's always a justification for the unjustifiable. Always.

[A]

Yeah, but in some good news, I guess, I don't know, there were some Republicans that actually were calling for the 25th Amendment. Obviously, a lot of Democrats, too. I believe that the 25th Amendment should be called also. But that's not going to happen because that's going to require Trump's cabinet.

[B]

Before we do that, we need to read some super chats. We're way behind. Okay, can we do that? Is that all right?

[A]

Yeah, I figured we could do that before the next topic, but we can go ahead.

[B]

No, no. Okay with that. No problem.

[A]

We're almost done.

[B]

I will say really briefly, if you're watching this stream, please give this video a like. It costs you nothing. Hit the like button. It really helps us out. Thank you very much. Go ahead, April. I'm listening.

[A]

Oh, anyway, I just was going to say Marjorie Taylor Greene called for the 25th amendment.

[B]

Yeah. Where is she? There he is.

[A]

Yeah, 25th. This was after that tweet. 25th amendment. Not a single bomb has dropped on America. We cannot kill an entire civilization. This is evil and madness. Candace Owens also called for the 25th Amendment.

[B]

And one of my favorites. Where's the video?

[A]

I have Jones.

[B]

Yeah, I have that. Here it is. You guys have got to hear this. Now, look, I want to be so clear. Alex Jones is not someone you should be listening to. The man is a grifter. He called the Sandy Hook shooting a false flag that led to unimaginable suffering of the families of the victims of Sandy Hook, owing them the largest defamation case in U.S. history. He still doubles down on that. So Just because a broken clock is right here does not mean that somehow you should use that clock to tell time. All right, we're just making the point that even for these, frankly, just maniacs, these people who are so out of their mind so often, even for them, they're saying stuff like this. So here's Alex Jones. Existential threat. How do we 25th amendment is asked. The problem is, to get the 25th amendment, it's harder than impeachment. You have to get two thirds of the house and 2/3 of the Senate. So what do we do? Tackle Trump and let him pretend he's president and publicly report that he's going through a health issue advanced takeover. It literally needs to be something like that. It's that bad. The. I've known him a long time. You've never called for an internal coup before, ever, ever, ever. But that's how dangerous this is. That's how risky it is for the whole. Yeah, that was the Democrats. I'd stop poking Trump and messing with that one makes it worse. Like, you guys need to watch out. This isn't a guy acting like he's crazy. This is real. Well, what's there going to be to take over in 2026 or 2028 if this hits the fan? If we get it, he's threatening an extinction level for the people of Iran tomorrow. Nobody think there'll be any blowback from that. If he follows through on that, the whole world is screwed. You were saying the breakers. So there you go. I mean, he's right. Both these men are right. They are totally right. It is time. It is. It's 25th Amendment time. It's been time for, for, for many years.

[A]

I, Yeah, I. And to be fair, I do think I. The 25th Amendment is not going to be invoked because it's going to require Trump's Cabinet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So realistically, that's not going to happen. And currently, realistically, he can't be impeached either, because Republicans currently control the House and the Senate. But I do think it's still important to publicly call for these things because to get it trending that Trump is incompetent will put pressure on the Republicans that are currently surrounding him in the House, in the Senate. So, so, yeah, I still think it's important to call for it, even though currently that's probably not going to happen. But the Trump is not as invincible as he once was. Like, there are there cracks are starting to show.

[B]

Well, then we have to keep hammering. Right. If there are cracks starting to show And I hope that some of these Republicans get a freaking spine and have a come to Jesus moment and realize what they've done. Like, we cannot let people forget that this is because of Republicans and white evangelicals. 80% of white evangelicals in 2016 and 2020 and in 2024 put all of their weight behind this ban. 80% of them voted for it. They built organizations like Turning Point usa. They built right wing organizations, they funded influencers to make this push that Trump is going to save America. And honestly, can we just have a heart to heart real quick with all of us in this live stream right now? Look around. Gas is up. The. We're not adding jobs to the economy. The tariff play was a horrible mistake. The economy is not doing well. You cannot buy a house. Interest rates are up. Our president, every day feels like he's losing his mind more and more, saying genocidal things. Our government, our own federal government is invading cities with armed, masked federal agents given immunity to do whatever they want to U.S. citizens and to immigrants with no recourse. Alex Preddy, Randa Cole, good little Liam being kidnapped and thrown into an ICE detention center in Dilley, Texas. We have kids as young as 2 or 6 months old locked up for no reason, given food that has worms in it, that has dirty water. I mean, think about this. Like I wanted. I just want to know for. For the MAGA crowd, how do you think we're great? Because we only recognize two genders now officially. Like, do you really think that has any real world impact on your life or on your neighbo life besides your trans neighbors? On our trans neighbors, it's hell on earth, obviously. We know that. I just want to know, like, I want to know what they think Trump has done that is actually improving their quality of life. One more thing. And Mike Johnson and the Republicans slashed and refused to renew the Affordable care subsidies that skyrocketed health care. And Trump is asking in his 2027 budget for a 42% military increase, the highest since World War II, while cutting social programs by 10%. Who benefits? The freaking military industrial complex. That's who benefits. I just want to know, for you MAGA people who voted, do you regret it? Do you regret it yet? We're a year and three months in. It's crazy.

[A]

And I do think, I think I want people to change their mind. I would like to see true repentance and an apology and an admittance, like admitting you are actually wrong.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But this is also why midterms are so important. And those are coming up. And that is why Trump's fighting so hard to get the SAVE act passed. Like, he wants to rig the election. He, he might try to. Like, I do think there's going to be things he's going to try to do to keep the midterms from happening. I believe the midterms are still going to happen. Democrats already have huge push. Like, they have so much momentum right now. They have been flipping all, like, a ton of special election seats like, like counties that went overwhelmingly for Trump that have flipped blue in the last year.

[B]

Mar? A Lago's district.

[A]

Yeah. Trump's own county in Mar? A Lago flipped to a Democrat. So. And there are several seats that are up for grabs like that. That basically trending right now. If it keeps going as is, which I don't see why it would change.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Democrats are going to flip the House majorly, possibly the Senate. But if they do, you just need the House. The House is what, what does impeachments. And I do think once, once Democrats take control of the House, impeachment is going to be immediate because, I mean, pick up, pick a struggle. There are so many impeachable offenses already that Donald Trump has done.

[B]

Yep. The Democrats better not budge an inch. They need to play hardball. They cannot compromise with fascists. It never works. It. It never works. They're gonna cry and scream and claim that the Republic, the Democrats, are suddenly authoritarian. You have to ignore all of that and hold Trump's feet to the fire. You have to. For the sake of our neighbors, including our international neighbors, you absolutely need to. So I'll tell you right now, President Harris wouldn't be bombing Iran right now. I can get. I would bet a lot of money on that. You know what I mean? Like, we have to do it. We have to. So, yes, make sure you vote. If you're not registered to vote, make sure you registered. Please make sure to vote.

[F]

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[F]

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[G]

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[F]

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[E]

Hey, everyone, this is Melinda Hale, the executive director of the New Evangelicals. Listen. Every day we hear from people who feel isolated, disillusioned, and hurt by a version of Christianity that has been hijacked by politics and nationalism. And yet they still long for a faith that is rooted in love, justice, and compassion. And that's why the New Evangelicals exist, because we believe there is a better path forward. We're creating resources, hosting conversations, and we're building communities for people who want to reclaim Christianity and stay rooted in the teachings of Jesus. But building a movement like this takes time. It takes energy, and it takes financial support. So if this podcast or our YouTube, our educational offerings or community space or anything that we've created has impacted you, would you consider becoming a donor? Even a gift of $5 makes a huge difference for small organizations like this. Your support helps us to continue empowering people to put their faith into action by rejecting Christian nationalism and to live in a way that shows people how to truly love our neighbors. Together, I know that we could build something beautiful. So visit thenewevangelicals.com support to give today. You can find the link right in our show notes. Thank you for standing with us.

[A]

Okay, now we can read super chats.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Which is a lot.

[B]

We got nine. Okay. One from Jennifer. Can't believe I spent Tuesday completely stressed out, thinking this abusive narcissist might get us into a nuclear war while also working and doing normal stuff. What timeline is this? Heard, heard, Chef. I'm right there with you. Justin Bailey. Happy Thursday. I'm here and ready to keep fighting Fascism with you all. Thank you. Justine Tandyman. I'm reading God and the Gay Christian after hearing Tim interview Matthew Vines. Amazing book. Yeah, that's a great book. Matthew Vines was on the new Evangelicals podcast. You can find that podcast episode wherever you get your podcast. Check it out. It's really good. Matthew's book has helped a lot of people. Joseph Compton. But guys, that's exactly what Jesus would say. Yes. Stevie Clown. As a former praise band leader myself for 15 years, I'm so over any worship service. Too much show, not enough love. I feel that. I feel that. Although I do kind of miss it as a drummer. Deborah Benda. This show is so good for my soul. Thank you, Deborah. That means the world. I really appreciate that. Let's see here. D. Smith. Abs Ali Beth Sucky doesn't like non Christians saying Happy Easter. Didn't our forefathers fight the radical leftist King George to defend our right to say Merry Christmas? Shake my head. Shake my. Yeah, Shaking my head. One from that Grace Life. Thank you so much. Another one from that Grace Life. They really. They're really Paul followers, not Jesus followers. Thank you so much for the super chat. We had two more. Joseph Compton. This is the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss. How do we handle ex maggots who finally see the light? In my opinion, we don't owe them anything. We don't owe them forgiveness. Okay, I have a thought on this. I'll get back to it in one second. Let me read this other super chat. Think about it. Everything he said she would do, he's done. She wouldn't have. Yeah, exactly. Right. Really quick on this one about what do we do X Maga. I am a big fan that repentance is a gift to do better. And if there are people who have come to their senses and are willing to acknowledge that they royally messed up and that they are willing to be part of the fight to fix what they broke. I think that that's how we move forward. I mean, we have to, right? What are we gonna do? We're gonna just scapegoat people who regret their decisions forever? I think that's not healthy, first off, for us as on the other side of it. And also I was that person too. I didn't vote for Trump, but I voted Republican. My whole life, I held views that were racist. I held misogynistic views. I made those jokes as a teenager. I regret them now, you know, and because I've been able to repent and go and, you know, Go forward. I've been able to do this work. So I think it just depends on what it looks like. But I think that we have to make room. We have to. We absolutely have to. That's my.

[A]

Yeah. And I do think it's fair. We don't owe them anything. And I think there are different people that have the energy to walk people through or to give more grace than others, for sure. And I, I will say I don't love when I see people, like, make a pretty vulnerable post saying that they regret their choice for Trump. And like, I understand the frustration and the knee jerk reaction to immediately shame and condemn them, but I've seen some of these people get absolutely annihilated in the comments section, just like repeatedly shamed. And I don't personally think that's helpful, but I understand it. Like, I'm not gonna say, oh, you can't do that, or like, I don't think anyone should police how anyone responds to people that have really promoted and harmed a lot of people. But at the same time, I know that if I could change.

[B]

Yep, exactly.

[A]

I personally feel obligated to give space for other people to change. That doesn't mean I trust them. That doesn't mean we give them a platform and make them a leader in the new movement. But just giving them the space and just encouraging like, hey, keep pulling that stream. Keep going. Like there's more to learn and not educate yourself.

[B]

Yeah, 100%. I mean, I will say the bar's pretty high for me because I feel like you and I and many others did really hard work very quickly to undo as much as we could as fast as possible. So I certainly expect people to put in the work once they realize the major mistake that they made. But for sure, I mean, I think if the fruit is there of their actions and their, and their belief system changing from one of death to one of life for all their neighbors. We have to embrace that. You know, we just have to. Really quick, friends, while we're here, again, if you're watching this stream live, thank you so much. Please make sure to hit the like button if you're watching on YouTube. If you're watching on Substack. Hi everyone. Good to see you all. If you could gently tap the heart button, that'd be so helpful. I do wanna let you guys know that the New Evangelicals is the organization that produces this show. It's a nonprofit that helps people find a better path forward in their faith. Next month or the next few months, they're doing a series on who is my neighbor. The T and E Community will be doing a huge segment on this or leaning into community, with the theme being the table is big enough because belonging isn't limited and neither is love. TNE believes in community and that it's the backbone to the organization's mission and they want to share that with the world. So you can make sure to go to the new Evangelicals, join the community. It's totally free. There's no cost. It's a private space, by the way. It's not on Facebook. It's a whole different space that you can access either by phone or by your computer. It's a beautiful space. It's a quiet space. It's a lovely space. And the organization will be highlighting all kinds of people regarding our neighbors. Also, we have a series called why I Deconstructed People sharing their stories of why they they left fundamentalism behind to find. To find, you know, a better path forward. Last thing I'll say is that any members of the organization of TNE Connect are invited to join Executive director Melinda Hale for a quick, casual 15 minute Zoom interview that will feature different voices on their community spotlight and YouTube channel. So, yeah, check it out, guys. At the New Evangelicals, we had a

[A]

couple more super chats come in and then I'll get through this next section really fast. Okay, we are a wee bit behind.

[B]

We're cooking, we're cooking. Wow, we had a big one come in. Holy moly. This one from Infidel. That's a good name. Thank you for the super chat. Wow, thanks for all you do.

[A]

I know Infidel.

[B]

Oh, you do?

[A]

We're Thread's friends.

[B]

Aw, I gotta follow him then. Thanks so much for the super chat. And one more we'll read. Don't forget you didn't read it.

[A]

It said thanks for all you do from the atheistic outside.

[B]

I'm sorry, I thought I did read

[A]

it, but demon emoji. No, it's fine. I got it.

[B]

Oh, you got it. Okay, there it is.

[A]

Okay, yeah, I already read it.

[B]

I wanna make sure that we make good on our promise. And then, last one from Prez Bass. I'm with Tim on the recovered maga. Folks, we do have to forgive them, but we don't have to forget what they did. Yeah, I mean, I would even go say, yeah, I'll roll with that. That's fine. I don't want to blabber the point. So, yes, we're on the same page. Okay.

[A]

Okay, what's next? Real quick, we're Running a bit, a little bit behind. So I won't get into, we won't spend as long as we were going to. Hold on. Freshen up. There we go. I don't like when it, I have like that auto focus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So news broke yesterday that, and this story is still developing because it just, it just broke yesterday that the Pentagon threatened the Vatican.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

The, the Pope, the, the Catholic Church. So basically, and I'll just give you a rundown of what is being reported. This was, this was reported by the free press and it's been spread beyond now. But basically Pope Leo, who is an American Pope, he has been pretty critical of the Trump administration with his handling of immigrants and more recently with the war in Iran. So apparently this started back in January. So days after Pope Leo delivered his State of the World speech, the undersecretary, basically the defense, someone from the Pentagon summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre, the Vatican's United States representative, to a closed door Pentagon meeting for a bitter lecture. And allegedly this is what is being said was said there, that someone from the Pentagon said, quote, the United States has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.

[B]

That's empire there it is.

[A]

That feels a little threatening. Yeah, a little bit that's being reported. But the, but something that I feel like is more egregious is that someone claimed. So people that were in that meeting claimed that. One US Official and they, I don't think they've confirmed who was the one who brought it up yet.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

One U.S. official present at this meeting bought up the Avignon papacy. And basically this was a period in the 14th century in which the French monarchy basically forced the Catholic Church into submission. They ordered an attack on the Pope at the time that led to his downfall, where he ultimately died. And then they forced the papacy to relocate from Rome to Avignon, which was a region inside France.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So the fact that they even brought up the Avignon papacy, where literally an entire another country threatened the Pope, basically led to that Pope's death. What on earth led the Vatican to then cancel whatever next. Pope Leo was supposed to come to the United States for something. They canceled that. And they, they said they basically, they felt very threatened. And so for the near future, the Pope, our American Pope, doesn't feel safe to come to America.

[B]

Well, that makes a lot of sense. Given. Given.

[A]

Yeah. So it says the Vatican was so alarmed by the Pentagon's warning. This is from the new Republic. The Vatican was so alarmed by the Pentagon's warning that Pope Leo canceled his plans to visit the United States later in the year. Yeah. So, yeah, that's where we're at. So there are. There's. This is still developing because this news story just broke yesterday.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But a reporter did ask JD Vance about it, who is a. Who's Catholic. He's got a new book coming out, supposedly that's detailing his journey from being Protestant to Catholic.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

He's like big, big Catholic, big Christian Catholic guy.

[B]

So here's what he said when he was asked about this.

[A]

X has been abuzz the last couple of days of the Free Press story saying that senior Pentagon officials in January, including Rich Colby, brought Cardinal Pierre into the Pentagon.

[B]

Brought who?

[A]

Cardinal Christophe Pierre into the Pentagon.

[B]

I haven't seen this story, unfortunately.

[A]

Essentially, the reporting by the Free Press is that they told him that the American military has a lot of fight and they can do whatever they want and the church should get on its side. Does that message sound correct to you? Is that something you would sign off on?

[B]

So one I. With no disrespect to the cardinal. I don't know who Cardinal Christophe Pierre is.

[A]

He's the ambassador to the Holy see

[B]

in the U.S. oh, okay, okay. I've met him before. Sorry, I just didn't remember the name. I've never seen this reporting. I'd like to actually talk to Cardinal Christophe Pierre and frankly, to our people to figure out what actually happened. I think it's always a bad idea to offer an opinion on stories that are unconfirmed and uncorroborated. So I'm not gonna do that. Just like when Kristi Noem called Alex Paretti a domestic terrorist. You know, we don't wanna jump the gun here, guys. There you go. This is always the cop out whenever they're faced with facts. It's always. I haven't read that story, so I can't comment on it. They do that all the time, Right.

[A]

Where you could just say, you know, I don't think the Pentagon should be threatening the Catholic Church. I could say, well, you know, I don't know if that's true or not. If that's. That's true, I don't like it.

[B]

You know, you could say if it's true. Right? Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Yeah. A slight correction. The story actually broke April 6, so it was a few days ago. Was it? I first saw yesterday because I think

[B]

it got picked up more like, recently.

[A]

It picked up more steam yesterday, but it was initially reported on April 6th.

[B]

But you know what? One thing we should mention, and this is important for folks who want to understand Christian nationalism. Christian nationalism is not monolithic. You have three major factions. You have a charismatic Protestant faction. You have a, like Calvinist Protestant faction. Then you have a Catholic faction. And so the question we always ask ourselves is, well, whenever they take over, who's gonna win that battle? Because I didn't pull the clip. But we have a clip of Doug Wilson, who is a Christian Dominionist out of the Calvinist tradition, saying that in a Christian nation, there can't be any public displays by the Catholic Church of like, you know, processions or like Virgin Mary. None of that. It would be outlawed. And so I think a lot of Christian nationalist Catholics would have a real hard time with that. And I'm sure they would have no problem outlying certain Protestant, you know, public displays. So I just, you know, it's gonna be like, it's gonna. It's just something else to watch it.

[A]

Well, I do think, because I, I made a meme. I don't always make memes, but you know that meme where it's like the guy who's sweaty and there's like two buttons and he's trying to choose between the two.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Little cartoon made the sweaty guy maga Catholic. And then like one button's Trump and the other button is the Pope. And I'll say, like, by their religious standards. Yeah, you should choose the Pope. Like I did the three hour Vatican tour. I know how, how weighted the words of the Pope are if you are Catholic. But so I posted that meme and I've had a lot of people that are Catholics, obviously I'm Protestant, saying that the maga Catholics that they know basically have already chosen Trump and they already don't like Pope Leo because they think he's woke and leftist. Despite him really not being like, he's really like the, the loving. The way he's speaking out against the war in Iran and the war or. And the way that our country is terrorizing immigrants.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Is just a very basic conservative, even theological take. Like, it's just Christianity, just 100 war 101 that they are trying to equate as some leftist.

[B]

Put your. So put your sword away. You know, like. Yeah, I, Yeah. I don't know a lot about Catholic Christian nationalism. I just know that, that there's like an. It's called Opus DEI is like part of the movement and they don't like Vatican ii. Something about Vatican ii, however that went down, like, they're not a fan of that. So a lot of Them, like, go to Catholic churches that still, like, do the Latin Mass. It's like a whole thing. I did an interview with a Franciscan Catholic, I think, a while ago when the Harrison Butker stuff went viral, and we kind of. We did a deep dive in that. So.

[A]

Right. Anyway, which is why I've always thought, like, I. I don't understand Catholic Christian nationalists that are siding with MAGA right now, because if the. If the Christian nationalists get their way, the Catholics are not. They're not going to be picked. Like, they're going to be persecuted just like everybody else. Because I was raised that. That Catholics were not Christian. Totally. The vast majority. Yeah. The vast majority of evangelicals that are MAGA do not believe Catholics can be Christian.

[B]

No, definitely not. I mean, which is wild. This is so typical.

[A]

Catholics is the OG Christian church.

[B]

It's the same. Yeah. It's the same thing for, like, gay Republicans. It's like, you know that you're the first to go. Right. Or women who vote maga. It's like you're. Again, they are talking now openly about repealing your right to vote. Like, I. I don't understand it. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Anyway. Okay, well, should we get to our last segment?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, here we go. Let's have some fun. Let's end on a happy note.

[A]

Maybe we Christian.

[B]

Okay, now, April, I have a confession. I pulled this while we were on the air. I forgot to grab it in PO in pre production, so I have to add the overlay real quick. And I have to just do some quick little fancy stuff. This is behind the scenes. Don't mind me. You guys see nothing over here. Okay, so do you want to prep this one or should we just hit play?

[A]

Well, I just. For the podcast audience.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The visuals of. This is a woman in a pretty easterly looking pink dress standing in front of a green screen. You don't see the green screen. What's behind her is. He has risen across angel wings behind a car and the name of an auto dealership.

[B]

Yep, it's. It's worth watching on YouTube if you get a minute. Here's the audio to this stunning image.

[A]

Hi, guys, it's Victoria here at New Deal in Glendale, Arizona, wishing you and yours a safe and happy Easter. Guys, we were going to be closed on Easter Sunday, but some of our team members volunteered to work, so we're going to be open. So if you're in the market for a used car that's under $10,000 or a used truck that's under $20,000, come on down, do some browsing around on the Easter Sunday. Bring some deviled eggs in, guys. Happy Easter. That's here at New Deal. Bye, guys.

[B]

That is something.

[A]

Bring some deviled eggs in that.

[B]

I. I can't think of a better day to go car shopping, used car shopping than on Easter.

[A]

That's what I think of when I am on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Get home for my family. It's like, you know what I need to do? I need to go get a used car.

[B]

Let's go. I wonder there are any dealerships open on Easter. Oh, there is. There's one. There's one. Because they are celebrating Easter by having their employees work. Clearly they're Christians. Oh, hi, guys. Like, hi. Like, why? Why? Who. Who made that video and thought that's

[A]

less like post that weird Christian leap and more like weird capitalism using Christianity to sell cars. Did you ever. Did you ever know people that wouldn't call them deviled eggs?

[B]

No.

[A]

That would call them angel eggs?

[B]

No.

[A]

Because you don't want to call them the devil.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

I knew people that did that.

[B]

It's so wacky that people will do that and then be like, yeah, just ignore Trump's genocidal post. Like, no big deal. Ignore it, ignore it. But don't call deviled eggs deviled eggs. Because the devil. No, but just, you know, Trump is just being trouble.

[A]

Do we have any more super chats? Are we all fine?

[B]

I think we have one more. It's right here. You can read this one. I've read a lot.

[A]

Joseph Compton threatening the Pope now. Wow. Just wow. This administration is absolutely evil. And Vance just dodged the question about it. Honestly, I can't get over the fact that the Pentagon allegedly threatened the Pope. Like, what. What are. What are we doing?

[B]

We're doing a lot of nonsense. We're doing a lot of evil. We're doing. I mean, we are living in a. If, you know, I'm not one of these like, like, the Matrix is real kind of people, but my God, if it is, it makes a lot of sense because someone is pulling strings behind the scenes. It is. It is crazy. And have you ever thought about, out of all the times you exist in the history of the world, we exist right now with Trump. Out of all, like, like out of, out of all the scenarios, out of all the alternate timelines, all the multiverse worlds that exist. Right. We are in this one at this time in history. Jackpot.

[A]

Yes, but also, there are. There have been worse times in history,

[B]

for sure, but there have been better times too.

[A]

Ye.

[B]

Yeah. I'm glad I'm not, you know, living. I don't know when like antibiotics were invented, but also in the 1940s when you could live comfortably on one income in America because we had a really high tax bracket for the rich. You know, that sounds pretty good. Add that plus, you know, get rid of all the racism and we gotta, we gotta, we got a good situation going on, you know, so.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyway, I'm just being silly. All right, friends. Well, listen, I appreciate or we appreciate you all joining in for this live. April and I go live every Thursday. I you told 12 o' clock Eastern. So if you're watching on YouTube, you can hit the subscribe button and hit get notified. That way you don't miss out. And we also drop an episode on Tuesdays, both on podcasts and on YouTube. So if you're watching this on substack, please make sure to either subscribe to our podcast or follow us on YouTube. We have a little more fun on those episodes, a little more responsive or just, you know, random things that we, that we want to talk about regarding what we do. So anything else I missed? Anything else?

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

Sweet. If you want a better path forward in faith, there are tons of Christians who are leaving the basement of fundamentalism. Check out the new evangelicals. They are doing that work. It's an amazing organization. All of their resources are totally free. They produce this show. Linda Hale runs the organization. So make sure to check it out he new Evangelicals. And yeah, we'll see you guys next week. So I am Tim Whitaker.

[A]

And I'm April Lajoy.

[B]

Have a great week.

[A]

Bye.