118. MAGA Christians Meltdown Over Pride Month

Summary

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The Tim & April Show – Episode 118

“MAGA Christians Meltdown Over Pride Month”

Date: June 5, 2026
Hosts: Tim Whitaker & April Ajoy
Podcast Network: The New Evangelicals

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Overview:

This episode centers on the predictable backlash from MAGA-aligned Christian spaces against Pride Month. Tim and April—both formerly conservative evangelicals—break down recent eruptions of anti-LGBTQ rhetoric, evangelical protests at Pride events, the politics of “Nuclear Family” proclamations, and the emotional/psychological mechanics behind these reactions. They also cover the ongoing issues at Delaney Hall (an ICE detention center) in New Jersey, and, as always, add their signature irreverent humor and lived experience with evangelical subculture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening: Rainbow Flags, Glitter, and "Obnoxious Pride"

• [00:40–03:50] April opens by donning Pride gear on camera, declaring:

  “I've seen so many MAGA Christians and evangelicals losing their minds over Pride Month... So I'm just going to be obnoxiously pro-Pride.”

• [01:06] Tim points out the performative outrage from conservative influencers:

  “I hope Ali Stuckey sees this. It's Pride Month. And hell yeah—heck yeah.”

• [02:07] Humorous parallels are drawn between Pentecostal flag-waving and waving Pride flags (“my Pentecostal, we had flags in church!”).

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Evangelicals at Pride: Protest Signs & Weird Theologies

• [06:44–09:52] April shares experiences at Lexington Pride:
  • Evangelical protestors showed up with bizarre signage:

    “Rapture of Jesus Christ. Not aliens or UFOs. Aliens are demons.”

  • Others warned about the “mark of the beast” and being beheaded—prompting April to note:

    “The worst thing my kids saw that day was this man telling them they were going to get their heads chopped off.” [09:00]

  • Tim:

    “If we really believe people are going to burn in hell forever, wouldn't we pragmatically do whatever we could to get them saved? ... If this is turning people off to the gospel, we have to rethink our approach.” [12:17]

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Hypocrisy & Obsession with “Sin”

• [10:00–14:14] Both reflect on their former anti-LGBTQ beliefs:
  • Tim notes that even as a conservative, the disproportionate focus on gay people never made sense to him:

    “Even back then I didn’t understand the upset obsession with people who are gay.” [10:59]

  • April remarks on the misguided evangelical “evangelism” at Pride, and the narcissism of thinking protest slogans (like “Don’t take the mark of the beast”) will “save souls.”
  • Both highlight the “death by a thousand paper cuts” nature of deconstructing evangelical logic.

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Delaney Hall Detention Center Protest – Social Justice Interlude

• [14:32–19:41] Tim provides an update:
  • NJ Governor’s actions escalated tensions, led to arrests, and protected ICE agents:

    “63 people were arrested. ... police just grabbing people who were just talking, and literally disappearing them. … Delaney Hall has to be shut down.” [16:12]

  • Critique of Democrats as insufficiently protective of marginalized groups. Both urge listeners to vote, especially in primaries.
  • April:

    “The most harm reduction to reduce.” [19:03]

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Why MAGA Christians Lose It Over Pride Month:

Notable Quotes & Patterns

• [20:10–21:03] Tim & April explore the evangelical reaction to “things that are not about them”:
  • April:

    “They don’t like when things are not about them.”
    “They still have an annual meltdown about how not everybody says Merry Christmas.” [20:10]

  • Tim recalls Trump and Franklin Graham claiming victory about “Merry Christmas”:

    “You’ve never stopped. It’s the same people that go on Facebook ... ‘I’m done being silent’—but they’ve never once been silent.” [20:41–21:03]

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Twitter Trends: “Nuclear Family Month” and Bizarre Counters to Pride

• [21:16–24:40]
  • Social media trend: MAGA Christians posting wedding pics with “affirm marriage as God designed, one man/one woman” captions.
  • “John Root” profile—ex-sports commentator turned MAGA influencer:

    “He went hard after The Chosen ... after Candace Owens ... now he’s kind of a B-list commentator on Twitter who does stuff like this.” — Tim [22:04]

  • April notes misuse of Matthew 19:4–6:

    “Jesus is talking about divorce in that chapter, which maybe Trump should learn from.”
    “They say the craziest stuff on Twitter. The most unhinged replies—I’ve been called a demon like 12 times, at least.” [24:40]

• April’s counter-post:

  “I’ll be celebrating and affirming all of God’s creation, including my LGBTQ siblings. Once you glimpse the colors of the rainbow, you won’t go back to black and white ideology. God’s love wins.” [25:31]

Theological Rants

• [25:31–26:54] Tim deconstructs “biblical marriage” proof-texting:

  “Just go four chapters into the Bible and you will see that there is no supposed original design of marriage...”
  “The Bible is not univocal. Then they’ll say: ‘It’s descriptive not prescriptive’—which is made up. They make up those terms.” [26:05]

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MAGA Alternative Celebrations: Nuclear Family and “Fidelity Month”

• [32:35–34:36]
  • April:

    “Tennessee and Indiana both declared June Nuclear Family Month. Sarah Huckabee Sanders declared, not to be outdone, Fidelity Month.”

  • Tim:

    “How do you say that with a straight face when the man that you simp for is the epitome of infidelity?” [32:52]

  • April:

    “There are also queer families that would be considered nuclear families. Most—probably two adults.” [33:22]

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Politicians: “No Place for Homosexuality”

• [34:36–36:46]
  • Rep. Andy Ogles’ now-deleted tweet:

    “Homosexuality has no place in America. Happy Nuclear Family Month.”

  • Ogles later blames a staffer (“I was out farming all day”). Tim and April are openly skeptical.
  • Tim:

    “They think that you are dumb.” [35:21]

  • Example of parallel bigotry:

    “Muslims don’t belong in American society. Pluralism is a lie.” – Ogles tweet read by Tim [35:33]

  • Twist: Ted Cruz, whose daughter is bisexual, rejects the “no place in America for homosexuals” rhetoric:

    “For all of recorded history, homosexuals have been part of humanity. … I’m quite libertarian by nature—I think the behavior of consenting adults is their business.” — Ted Cruz [36:59]

  • April adds that empathy and proximity often change hearts, but many still double down and disown queer family members.

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The War on Empathy & The Manufactured “Threat”

• [39:17–41:53]
  • Tim shares his initial shift away from non-affirming theology after simply working with openly gay Starbucks coworkers:

    “You just create this caricature of someone that doesn’t even exist. … All melted away. I can’t deny what’s right in front of me.”

  • April:

    “I’ve never had a gay person knock on my door to try to convert me... Most people I know that are queer want to be left alone, and celebrate who they are without being killed for it.”

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Rant: AI Chatbot Pronouns & the Daily Wire’s Megan Basham

• [42:04–48:42]
  • Megan Basham (Daily Wire) complaints about AI bots “discriminating” against her anti-Pride content by enforcing correct pronouns.
  • Megan is called “one of the most vile people I’ve seen on the Internet in a very long time.” — Tim [42:39]
  • April skewers her performative online piety and obsession:

    “Imagine just going ham on Sesame Street... What did Elmo do to you?” [45:27]

  • Both hosts laugh at Basham’s “admission”:

    “I had to argue with [Gemini AI] for a while first... eventually I insisted, ‘these are my queries and my preferred terms’—at that point, it dropped the daughter and feminine pronouns garbage.” [47:20]

  • April:

    “I can’t believe she admitted that out loud. That is so embarrassing.” [48:16]

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Why is Pride Month So Triggering?

• [49:02–55:38]
  • Tim:

    “We keep telling you, it’s only going to get more and more extreme … they want gay folks outlawed again, overturn Obergefell. … They are on a Christian crusade to eradicate anyone who is not like them.”

  • April:

    “There’s an envy, too. I think they have this deep level of envy … of how free queer people are. If you can genuinely believe that being gay is a choice, I think you’re just bi.” [51:46–52:16]

  • April shares her realization she was bi, and connects it to how internalized biphobia shaped her former beliefs.

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“Sword Drill” & Listener Interactions

(light-hearted Bible verse race segment)

• [56:12–58:28]
  • Galatians 5 (fruits of the spirit) and 2 Samuel 1:26 (“Your love for me was more wonderful than the love of women”—reference to David and Jonathan, celebrated as biblical queerness during Pride).

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Viral Clip Reaction: Praying Over a Wife’s Period

• [63:01–74:43]
  • April/Tim analyze a Christian couple’s viral video where the husband prays for his menstruating wife to “have ambition, productivity, energy, and not be driven by her emotions.”
  • Tim:

    “That kind of prayer is just a way to say what you feel, but hide behind God ... It’s so passive aggressive and patronizing.” [68:12–69:00]

  • April:

    “They treat her period like it’s a disease … Her body is already being productive. … Not to mention, she could be going through postpartum.” “The worst part about this video is the fact that it’s a video, and they posted it. … They set up a tripod!” [73:07]

  • Both reference Matthew 6—the Bible’s warning against public performative prayer.
  • Sarcastic sign-off:

    “If you send us a $10 donation, we’ll send you a prayer cloth that we prayed over for your [period]... That is satire.” [74:50]

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• April:

  “Once you glimpse the colors of the rainbow, you won't go back to black and white ideology. God's love wins.” [25:31]
  “They don’t like when things are not about them.” [20:10]
  “I think if you can genuinely believe that being gay is a choice, you’re just bi.” [52:16]

• Tim:

  “We keep telling you, it’s only going to get more and more extreme.… They actually want to outlaw gay folks again.” [49:02]
  “That kind of prayer is just a way to say what you feel, but hide behind God.” [68:12]
  “Why do we keep focusing on this one sin?” [10:59]

• Ted Cruz (clip):

  “For all of recorded history, homosexuals have been part of humanity… I think the behavior of consenting adults is their business.” [36:59]

• On performative faith:

  “There actually is a Bible verse against this. … ‘When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray... to be seen by others.’” —April, quoting Matthew 6 [74:04]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:40 – April’s Pride gear & opening rant
• 06:44 – Evangelical protestors at Pride: bizarre signs & “mark of the beast”
• 14:32 – Update on Delaney Hall/ICE protests
• 21:16 – Origin of the MAGA “affirm marriage” Twitter script
• 32:35 – Republican governors countering Pride with “Nuclear Family Month”
• 34:36 – Rep. Andy Ogles’ anti-LGBTQ tweets & Ted Cruz’s contrasting stance
• 42:04 – Megan Basham’s AI chatbot/pro-noun grievance
• 49:00 – Rant: Why MAGA Christians really melt down every June
• 56:12 – “Sword drill” Bible verse challenge (queer-affirming passages)
• 63:01 – Reaction: praying over a wife’s period video

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Tone & Style

The episode blends sharp, often snarky humor with personal reflection, theological analysis, and unapologetic advocacy for queer inclusion and justice. Tim and April’s banter keeps the mood buoyant—even when dissecting disturbing rhetoric—while their personal stories and transparency invite empathy and connection.

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Conclusion

Key takeaway: Pride Month continues to outrage the MAGA evangelical sphere—often revealing deep-seated hypocrisy, fear, and envy as well as an inability to coexist with difference. The episode underscores why vibrant, unapologetic affirmation of the queer community remains both necessary and a powerful act of resistance and faith.

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To stay engaged with these faith, politics, and culture conversations—catch The Tim & April Show live every Thursday on The New Evangelicals’ channels. Happy Pride!

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Transcript

[April]

You're listening to a new evangelicals production, The Tim and April show, where we unravel faith, politics and culture. Oh, no, I lost one of my. One of my flags. I have a flag. Oh, here it is.

[Tim Whitaker]

For those who can't. For those who can't see what just happened? April, after our intro that we do on live, was off screen, brought a Pride flagon that covered her camera. And they did a slow reveal. You should just go Watch this on YouTube to see April fully decked out in pride everything. Pride glasses. You got a Pride sticker, you got all the flags.

[April]

Listen, I love Pride. I just.

[Tim Whitaker]

Happy Pride Month.

[April]

Colors make me happy Pride Month. I hope.

[Tim Whitaker]

I hope Ali Stuckey sees this. And just the salt in the wound, baby. It's Pride Month. And hell yeah. Heck yeah. I was excited.

[April]

I just kind of decided, like, there. I've seen so many, which. This is the point of our show today. So many MAGA Christians and evangelicals just losing their minds over Pride Month. Like, they are so obnoxiously losing it anti Pride that I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to be obnoxiously pro Pride. I am going to scream rainbow. You know, I'm going to be the glitteriest, bright colored human walking rainbow that you can see.

[Tim Whitaker]

Wait, do that again with the flags. I want to hear it.

[April]

Oh, you know what? Listen, it's like my Pentecostal. We had flags in church.

[Tim Whitaker]

You're right. Yes. For anyone who grew up Charismatic or Pentecostal, you know. Exactly. There are people on stage sometimes who will do this, like, flag banner stuff while music is happening. And that's what we're talking about. It's. It's quite the spectacle, actually. Wait, did you do that in church, April?

[April]

Um, I mean, I was not on the flag team, but I would occasionally have a flag. You know what's really funny? So this past Saturday, we had Lexington Pride, which technically was early. It was May 30, so it was not quite June yet. We had it early this year. Um, but did you know, like, I got all of this, except for this. I've had these stickers for a long time. But everything else that I just showed I got from Pride. From Lexington Pride Festival. They give you so much free stuff, so much rainbow junk. Pins, stickers, bracelets, flags, sunglasses. It's amazing. But it was actually really funny because we went to church on Sunday and my kids, we took our kids and they love. They already love rainbows, right? So they're like, this is the greatest thing on Earth. And our daughter of my youngest, my 7 year old brought, I think it was this pride flag just because she's like, yeah. And we took her to church and she was waving it during worship and I did not tell her to and I didn't tell her not to, but I was just like, I don't know, there was just something about it that was cracking me up. Like if, if I could go back and tell old conservative Pentecostal me that one day you're going to have a child waving a pride flag during church worship, I might just, just have keeled over right then, you know.

[Tim Whitaker]

Well, maybe this is a good time. Oh, that's our weird Christian belief that we'll get to. Maybe it's a good time to show people a little bit about the flag waving that maybe you grew up in. I found a little video. This is actually, this is a video on, on proper flag waving techniques. It says the title is Learn this Worship flag Combination. Here we go. This bring you back, April? Yeah, there it is.

[April]

Actually.

[Kimberly Brown Phillips]

I am Kimberly Brown Phillips, wife, mother, published author.

[Tim Whitaker]

There you go, friends. That's what this is. The whole thing. Like there's an actual space of the flag waivers in church. So. Yep.

[April]

Yeah, no, it is, it is definitely a thing for sure.

[Tim Whitaker]

I had to do it. I had to do it anyway. Well, welcome in, friends. I'm Tim Whitaker.

[April]

I'm April. Enjoy.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, welcome to Tim and April show. We go live every Thursday, 12 o' clock Eastern on YouTube and on substack with our friends over at Lincoln Media Square where we are a production of the New Evangelicals, a great nonprofit that helps people find a better path forward in their faith is including, especially during Pride Month, one of our favorite months to celebrate as the new evangelical. So welcome and it's so good that you're here. Please make sure to like the video. Subscribe to this channel. It helps us out so much. We got a pretty, it's gonna be an interesting show. I, I, I feel like this is gonna be a ranty one, April, because you and I, every, every year this happens every year.

[April]

Yeah, because it's Pride Month and I really do think that like white evangelicals on May 31 at 11:59pm are just waiting. They've already got their Pride post typed up and then as soon as it hits midnight post, like they just have been like salivating and actually, I think I've seen more pride posts from evangelicals that are mad about it than I've seen just regular happy pride posts from queer people.

[Tim Whitaker]

I think that's true, partly based on our algorithms, but also I do feel like the level of vitriol has stepped up from last year, which is saying something because we've been doing this work now online for five or six years at least. I have. I think you have, too. And I've always seen some of the same repeating themes from these evangelicals. You know, like, I'm sure everyone has seen that picture where it says Pride Month and then the words fade out until it says demon. Right. That one gets populated every single year. It's a classic. But there are more and more the words that I'm hearing from some of these folks. It just sounds like we've moved from anger to. And hate to, like, a different level of anger and hate. I mean, they are just outraged at the fact. I know this is going to sound crazy, that gay people exist and are hopefully able to and should be allowed to flourish in our society. They are mad about other people and the life that they live, and they're so mad that they are doing some crazy stuff in response, which we're going to get into. It's.

[April]

Yeah. Well, going back to the pride that I was at, we actually had some evangelicals that showed up and count. Like, I guess they were protesting our Pride Festival.

[Tim Whitaker]

Let's see.

[April]

And I will say they didn't go the usual, like, yeah, they went with the rapture and aliens are demons.

[Tim Whitaker]

Read, read. Word for word what this sign says. Just read it word for word.

[April]

Word for word. And I will say everything except for one not is in quotations for some reason. So Rapture of Jesus Christ.

[Tim Whitaker]

Not.

[April]

Not aliens or UFOs. Aliens are demons.

[Tim Whitaker]

Huh?

[April]

I don't. Someone needs to teach them that a double negative cancels out your message. I don't. Like, not. Not aliens or UFOs. So I think that means they are aliens.

[Tim Whitaker]

I just have a lot of. This picture says a lot of things. I have a lot of questions at the same time. Like, is he wearing a body cam in the. On. On his neck?

[Jennifer Lee]

Yeah.

[April]

Or a page mark?

[Tim Whitaker]

Why is he wearing all different shades of gray? Like, are you hinting, bro? Like, 50 shades of gray? Is this like some kind of subconscious thing? You know, some conscious thing? It just. In the look he has, the sunglasses, the beanie in Kentucky in, like, this spring, and it was hot. Doesn't add up.

[April]

Yeah. And there was a guy. There was another guy there in a Jesus sweatshirt. Like, a sweatshirt. And he was waving an Israeli flag.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

Very interesting combination.

[Tim Whitaker]

That's a weird one. There's Another one that you have?

[April]

Yeah, there's another guy. Don't take the mark of the beast. So this guy had a megaphone and was just walking up and down talking about, don't take the mark of the beast. You will get your head chopped off.

[Tim Whitaker]

Do you. You gave me that video, didn't you?

[April]

I did. I texted it to you.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, hold on.

[April]

I mean, it's fine. You can take my word for it if you want. Yeah, it didn't come through, honestly, so interesting to me. You have all these evangelicals that are like, protect the children, protect the children. The worst thing that my kids saw that day or heard was this man telling them they were going to get their heads chopped off.

[Tim Whitaker]

No, no, no, that's. That's just telling the truth in love, April. He's just telling your kids the truth in love. You know, he's just being honest about what will definitely happen if they take the very clear mark of the beast that we all know what it is. Obviously, there, there, there's. There's univocal consensus in this space on what the mark of the beast is. Right. We all know, obviously. I don't, I don't have to name it. It's so obvious.

[April]

Yeah, well. And obviously. And even in like the Left behind lore, right? Yes, he would, he would literally go, don't take the mark of the beast. You will get your head chopped off. To me, that sounds like if you take the mark of the beast, you will get your head chopped off. But that's actually. You get your head chopped off if you don't take the mark of the beast. That is Rapture Cannon. So he didn't even get his own bad theology. Correct.

[Tim Whitaker]

I just like wonder where this guy works. Like, like, like on Monday, it's like, hey, Bob, how was your weekend? He's, oh, it was really great. Well, what did you do? Oh, I protested a pride parade with this sign. And then he shows a picture of it all proud like, okay, like, like, what do you, what does this guy really think? I. This is the thing that really gets me because even if, April, even if you and I were to put on our old evangelical hat for a second, right? I mean, I'm going to go into that, that headspace where, you know, 23 year old Tim is like, look, I think the Bible's clear on homosexuality. I think it's sinful. Even back then I was like, ma', am, really? Seems like we focus on this one particular sin out of all the other sins that I believe the Bible condemns. Like Even back then, in my non affirming days, I didn't understand the upset obsession with people who are gay because I realized very early on, oh, if we're going to talk about freedom all the time, which me growing up on talk radio, I heard from Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh how America is the freest nation in existence. If we're going to talk about freedom, why don't my neighbors, who I don't agree with, have the freedom to marry who they want and be reckoned and given the same rights that other couples do? This was like, this wasn't even a liberal idea. I got there being conservative evangelical. I just don't understand the obsession that evangelicals have with gay people and gay sex. I don't get it.

[April]

Well, and I, I mean, I was one of those people that definitely was very vocally anti gay and anti. Like, I believed gay marriage should be illegal. But I will say I don't. Like, even then I would have looked at like those protesters that we saw at Pride and been like, if our end goal is to save these people's souls, thank you. Pushing them away and being hateful, like, that is the worst way to do it. Like, you're not going to save anybody by telling them they're going to get their heads chopped off. Because one, that is a very complicated and wrong theology that no one's going to understand. Like, and that's that that like, falls into like the narcissist narcissism of evangelicalism. They think they can come and be like, don't take the mark of the beast. And then everybody knows what they're talking about. They don't exactly.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, it is. You know, for those of you out there who grew up, you know, in the evangelical bubble that April and I did, I think a lot of us, like, you know, we always talk about how deconstruction is like, is like death by a thousand paper cuts. One of the paper cuts for me was exactly what you said, where again, I woke up and thought, wait, if we really believe that people are going to burn in hell forever, wouldn't we pragmatically do whatever we could to get them saved? And if this is turning people off to the gospel, we have to rethink our approach. Again, like, this is conservative Tim Whitaker thinking these thoughts. It was like pretty logical to me. Like, if we believe that it's the same thing with abortion, the way I got to a more prejudiced position was I was like, wait, if you guys really believe that abortion was murder, which I wore a shirt that said that, then wouldn't you want to do anything that you could to minimize those murders? Anything, regardless of political affiliation. Like, if we had data, which we do, that access to affordable health care and livable wages lowers the rates of abortions, wouldn't we all want that then to lower the rates of quote, unquote, murder? But no, they don't. They just don't. And so it's a lot of those moments, too, where you're totally right. You're just sitting there and you're like, wait, this math ain't mathing. It's not making any sense.

[April]

Yeah. Same thing with even, like, the. The belief in hell. I remember when I was evangelical, I believed in hell, but I didn't have this, like, visceral anger towards people that were universalist because deep. Like, I actually wanted them to be right.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep.

[April]

Because I'm like, yes, I would love it if. If hell didn't exist and my neighbor down the street wasn't going there, you know, like. So I. And I think that's an important reminder that. Not when we talk about white evangelicals. There. There is variation in the group. It doesn't negate harm that is caused. But I do believe that some people can be reached. I do think an unreached people group, you know.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes. That's why we are those missionaries to the Christian nationalists. So, full disclosure, April, this is unprofessional. I don't have this show rundown in front of me. So what's next on the agenda? Are we gonna talk about Delaney hall at all? Should I mention that?

[April]

Update people on what's going on? I really just have pride, so.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, cool. Show rundown. Pride month.

[April]

And I do want to update Pride. Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

And I did a deeper dive on my other channels about Delaney Hall. What's going on with that? But I told you all I would keep eyes on what's happening in my state. I am trying to plan to go this Friday to see kind of what's happening in person. But essentially, we had a really big issue where our Democratic governor sent New Jersey state troopers to Delaney hall that ultimately ended up protecting ICE agents and Delaney hall and really escalating things and kidnapping protesters and journalists. At one point. I mean, at one point, 63 people were arrested. There are videos out there. I don't. I don't have them pulled of police just grabbing people who are just talking. They are just talking, and they're just literally disappearing them. So it was a. It's a really big issue. The governor, I'LL be honest with you guys, this is me speaking as an individual, not as for any organization that as a, as an individual who voted for this Governor, I'm very disappointed in her reaction to all of this. Like it's been, she kind of doubled down and blamed outside protesters for escalating things, which the video footage just does not prove at all. We are hoping that the mayor of Newark is working with their police to make things a lot more calm, which seems to be happening. But make no mistake, I mean, for me as a New Jersey native, I don't want Delaney hall operational period like ICE has to get out of our state. Delaney hall has to be shut down. And there's a whole other thread of the for profit prison industry that is being funded not just by Republicans, but historically also by Democrats. The Obama administration expanded detention centers. The Clinton administration expanded for profit prison centers. So there's, there's a whole thing here. And the GEO Group, who's been in this world for decades, has a billion dollar contract with the Trump administration for 15 years, which includes, which included reopening Delaney Hall. So I am at a place for me where I'm like trying to advocate to my governor, do whatever you need to do to stop this. Like, it's not enough for me to hear. We're working on trying to get visitation hours back. I don't care about that. I want these people out. We have data that shows In Delaney Hall, 90% of the people there have no criminal record. None. No criminal record. There are reports of food with maggots in it. It's really bad. So that's kind of the update. I'm. This, it's still happening. This is still ongoing. I'm following a lot of local creators that are, are covering this consistently. But that's what's happening in New Jersey at Delaney Hall. And you know, this is for a different discussion for a different time, but we have to have at some moment come to Jesus wakeup call that the Democrats as an institution are not going to save us from MAGA or from Christian nationalism. A lot of people are very disappointed in our governor right now for how she's been handling this.

[April]

But then there's people like Zoran Momdani that are actually giving me hope. Yes.

[Tim Whitaker]

On, on that side, but also to be clear. Sorry to interrupt you, April. Just to be clear, Zoran Mandani runs as a Democratic socialist. Like he's not even, he's not claiming to be a liberal like there, there people think because of how, how polarized and how Binary. Our political system is that liberals and Democratic socialists are like, in this. Are on like the same side of things in many ways. They are not. They are not. And same thing with Republicans. Like, for example, Mitt Romney is not an alt. Right. Nick Fuentes, you know, America first person. There's a spectrum there. Right. And Mitt Romney, as far as I can tell, hates what the far right is doing and hates what Trump has done to America. So same thing on the left. Like Governor, our governor, Mikey Sherry is a Democrat, like an establishment Democrat. Zora Momdami is a Democratic socialist. And I love him. I loved. I loved Zoran.

[April]

But he did run on the Democrat ticket.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes. And on the Working Families Party ticket as well, which was so cool.

[April]

True. Yeah. But, yeah, I do think.

[Tim Whitaker]

I'm with you. I'm with you.

[April]

Yeah, I do. I still. I don't want to be the. Both sides are bad and therefore don't vote because I think both sides clearly.

[Tim Whitaker]

I'm sorry, I should be. I should be. You know, that's a good point. Let me very clear. Cause I've gotten this feedback before. I'm not saying, in fact, primaries just happened in several states. That's when you should be voting. You should be voting in the primaries to get the people you want on these tickets. And you absolutely should vote in the primaries that are coming up or in the midterms that are coming up. Do not not vote. We need you to vote because something is better than nothing and then we push forward. So thank you, April, for telling me

[April]

that the most harm reduction to reduce.

[Tim Whitaker]

Wait, let's do. Let's. What our evangelicals would do. Vote for the candidate with the biblical worldview. You know, one who will fight against the rich and the oppressed.

[April]

Yeah. We're not going to tell you to vote for.

[Tim Whitaker]

Vote for.

[April]

Just not the Republican.

[Tim Whitaker]

If Jesus says to liberate the oppressed. Use your imagination.

[April]

No, to be clear, I don't think we. We would. We would never tell you who to vote for anyway. I'll just tell you who I would not vote for

[Tim Whitaker]

anyway. Okay.

[April]

Voting does matter. And midterms are coming up and they're going to be very important.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes. Oh, my, my gosh. So important.

[April]

Yes. Okay, so back to Pride month. There is.

[Tim Whitaker]

Where do we even start?

[April]

I don't even know where. Where do we want to start? I think I just want to point out there's something that happens in white evangelical spaces. Maybe it's just white conservatives in general, but they don't like when things are not about them.

[Tim Whitaker]

They hate.

[April]

They hate it. Like, even the fact that some people started saying Happy Holidays to include other holidays, they have. They still have an annual meltdown about how not everybody says Merry Christmas.

[Tim Whitaker]

Didn't Trump say that part of what made him. What makes his campaign or his administration successful is that stores are saying Merry Christmas again. And they applauded him for that. It's like, yes, Franklin Graham said that.

[April]

Franklin Graham at CPAC was like, thanks to Donald Trump, we could finally say Merry Christmas again. Like, you never stopped. You've never stopped. It's the same people that go. That, like, go on Facebook and, like, make these, like, long rants. They're like, I'm done being silent.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes.

[April]

But they've never once been silent. Like, what are you talking about?

[Tim Whitaker]

You've never been silent.

[April]

So June is Pride month. Obviously, I'm decked out in rainbows because. Yay. And immediately, they didn't miss a beat.

[Tim Whitaker]

Not a beat.

[April]

There was this trend on Twitter of a bunch of white evangelicals that it's literally a script where they say, like, my name. I don't know who started it. It might have been John Root, because he was the one that I saw people, quote, tweeting the most. But this is what. Now, if you don't know who John Root is.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, I can tell you.

[April]

Yeah. Well, I actually don't really know his background other than the fact that he went hard against the Chosen, like the Christian TV show the Chosen a few years ago, because they shared a behind the scenes, like, clip or picture, and one of the crew members had a Pride flag, like, on their bag or something, and they. He lost his mind and wanted people to boycott the Chosen. Okay, Tim, tell us about John Root.

[Tim Whitaker]

Thank you. Thank you. I'm chopping out the bit here. John Root used to be in sports commentator. He. He worked for the San Jose Sharks in hockey. Okay. During the pandemic, thanks to his remarks about COVID he was let go. And you can imagine what he did from there. Right? I mean, he took it really well and was like, you know what? I should rethink my perspective. No, no. He was like, I've been canceled by Cancel Culture. Then he started making content online. He got picked up by the right during COVID Then he worked for Turning Point USA under the Turning Point Faith moniker. I've met John Root in person and on digital. Then he got so extreme, he. He thought Turning Point USA was going too essentially progressive because they were letting in other evangelical strains, like the charismatics were allowed to work with Turning Point USA Faith. John Rood thought that was, like, too far. And then he left Turning Point Faith, and then he started doing online stuff, including claiming that the vaccines were. The COVID vaccine was killing people. He went hard after the Chosen. He went hard after Candace Owens, and. And now he's kind of like a B list commentator on Twitter who does stuff like this. Yeah, yeah, there you go. How's that?

[April]

So, for those listening, this is what his post says. It's a picture of him and his wife on their wedding day. It says, my name is John and I'm a Christian. This June, I'll be celebrating and affirming marriage as it was designed to be by God, between one man and one woman. Matthew 19, 4, 6. And then in parentheses at the bottom, it says, share a photo of you and your spouse with the caption above during Pride Month. I don't know why pride is in quotes. Also, I love that they go that Matthew 19 is the verse that they use to talk about marriage being between a man and a woman. Because Jesus is talking about divorce in

[Tim Whitaker]

that chapter, which maybe Trump should learn from. Like, I. It is. Isn't it funny, April, how people in this space Take Matthew 19:46, which you're right, is talking about divorce. They don't apply it to Trump in his three marriages, which he was unfaithful in all three of them. In. No, no, no. That's not what Jesus is talking about. No, no. What Jesus is talking about clearly, is that gay marriage is inherently sinful, as he's talking to a Jewish audience about divorce and how their laws interpreted that. Mm, yep, yep. Makes complete sense, John. Like, wow, fantastic exegesis over here. Like, just top tier.

[April]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So stupid. I did. I did quote, tweet this and get. Gave my own spin on it where I said, my name is April and I'm a Christian, and then I don't remember. I'd have to pull it up. But it is so funny. I immediately just. They. They say the craziest stuff on Twitter. The most unhinged replies. I. I've. I've been called a demon, like 12 times, at least. Probably all I said was, which I. For the record, I knew they're so predictable. I knew that I would get this, but I just said, my name is April. Feel free to copy and paste if you want to. Also just be annoying back to them. My name is April and I'm a Christian. This June, I'll be celebrating and affirming all of God's creation, including My LGBTQ siblings. Once you glimpse the colors of the rainbow, you won't go back to black and white ideology. God's love wins. And then I put a cross emoji and a pride flag emoji.

[Tim Whitaker]

I love it. Yeah. That's fantastic. I had this epiphany. I saw this Instagram clip that said, I'm a Virgo. For those who don't know that, if you want to get under a Virgo skin, explain something that's completely incorrect with total confidence. And I'm like, oh, my God, that is me. And the more I think about that statement, the more it rings true. Because every time I see people say stuff like this incorrect nonsense with such confidence, I cannot tell you the level of, like, just pure frustration I have.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

About this stuff because it's just so wrong. It's just so wrong. Like, dude, read the bi. Read Genesis 4. When Lamech takes two wives, just do it. Like, just go four chapters into the Bible and you will see that there is no supposed original design of marriage being between only one man and one woman for life in a covenant marriage is what they would say. The Bible is not univocal. Then they'll say, well, that's descriptive, not prescriptive, which is made up. They make up those terms. They just. Why isn't Genesis 2 descriptive instead of prescriptive? Why is Genesis 4 descriptive instead of prescriptive? They just make this stuff up. And that's what drives me bonkers. It drives me bonkers to see them do this. End of.

[April]

It's just so stupid.

[Tim Whitaker]

Very ranty.

[April]

You can just let people live. You can just like, you know, instead of posting that anti pride post, you can just not. You can just not. How much of this insert yourself?

[Tim Whitaker]

Well, look, here's Riley Gaines, right? Riley Gaines, for those who don't know, got famous because she tied fellow fifth in a swim meet against a trans swimmer, Leah Thomas.

[April]

She tied with the trans person?

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, fifth.

[April]

She literally owes her entire career to a trans person. You'd think she'd have a little more pride.

[Tim Whitaker]

And she owes her entire career to being a loser. Like. Like, for all this talk of meritocracy, she's not. I mean, she's not the best swimmer at all, but whatever. So she's famous in MAGA spaces because she took a hard stand against Leah Thomas. Okay. And so she also treated the same thing in Tennessee. We recognize June as nuclear family month. This is a different iteration. God was clear about his design for humanity, and I'm grateful to live in a state that celebrates and supports that foundation. Who's going to tell her that the Bible doesn't even believe in the nuclear family because it's a. It's coming from an ancient world built on collectivism. It's a collectivist society, not an individualistic society. That's not how they thought about the family. I told you I'd be unfiltered today. I told you my head hurts. I am just. I'm over it. I am frustrated. This is annoying.

[April]

Well, and here's the thing. These posts would make sense if Pride month was trying to make straight marriage illegal.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep.

[April]

Or if like, or if there were like maybe a bunch of, you know, politicians that were passing laws to criminalize straight people or straight imagine. Or to ban them from adoption or to take away their health care. It would make sense to make posts like that if they were persecuted in the lease, but they're not. They, they act like they're going to lose their straight marriage if they don't post an anti Pride April 3 weeks

[Tim Whitaker]

ago our taxpayer money funded rededicate 250. They had a 9 hour long worship service on the National Mall that the White House promoted. And here they are acting like they're victims of something simply because gay people exist and some people want to celebrate them and the queer community wants to celebrate who they are, which they should be able to do whether you like it or not. But no, that's a bridge too far for these folks. The fact that they even have to see a gay person is just unthinkable to them. Oh my. It's, it's, it's bewildering. I mean, it is bewildering because you're right. You know, I think the, the last stat I read was there was a record amount in 2025 of anti trans legislation being introduced all across 50 states. There has not been, as far as I'm aware, and I would bet a lot of money on this in American history, a Pride group or a queer group like GLAAD that has introduced or funded legislation to minimize the rights of heterosexual couples. I'm not aware of one piece of legislation that has said if you're a church, you must be forced to marry a gay couple. Or if you're a heterosexual family, you have to have certain restrictions on type of healthcare that you can have or how you worship. That has never happened in the history of our country. Right. But they have no problem funding a billion dollar plus legal defense network that introduces legislation after legislation reducing the rights of their neighbors simply because of Their bigotry disguised as theology.

[April]

Wow.

[Tim Whitaker]

Wow.

[April]

And they wonder why we exceptions when, you know, there was ruling on gay marriage. The exception for religious people to not marry gay people has always been there.

[Tim Whitaker]

Always.

[April]

Always.

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[April]

This episode is brought to you by Starbucks.

[Tim Whitaker]

That is fire.

[April]

Whoa. That's good.

[Tim Whitaker]

This might be the drink of the summer.

[April]

Okay, I like this one too.

[Tim Whitaker]

I'm not cool with it.

[April]

Okay, try it for yourself. Yourself. Starbucks refreshers concentrates are coming home. Find them in the coffee aisle and make it yours.

[Tim Whitaker]

Do you want to get to Andy Ogles? Because there was kind of a little of a twist that has happened recently.

[April]

Yeah, well, and I want to say too. So Tennessee and the governor of Tennessee and the governor of Indiana both declared June Nuclear Family Month.

[Tim Whitaker]

I have that.

[April]

And then Sarah Huckabee Sanders declared, not to be outdone, Fidelity Month.

[Tim Whitaker]

How do you say that with a straight face with the man that you simp for is the epitome of not being infidelity. Thank you. I was blanking on the term. I was like, infidelity.

[April]

How?

[Tim Whitaker]

And also, why do you think Pride Month automatically means infidelity? There are millions of queer couples that are in a relationship that is, you know, monogamous and is. Is not full of infidelity. I just don't get it.

[April]

And there are also queer families that would be considered nuclear families.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes.

[April]

Most probably two adults.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, two adults and like two kids, you know?

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

Like, again, like, have you looked? And by the way, it's not even just Trump. Right. It's Ken Paxton who's running for state senator for the state for, sorry, for Senate in Texas. Right. It's, it's member Matt Gaetz and how the House committee found him probably liable for R wording, you know. Yes. Trafficking a 17 year old. I said R wording. That's not what I meant. Sexually assaulting a 17 year old. You know, like, I'm just saying, like, there are so many examples, not even just of Trump, of people in Republican spaces. How about Kristi Noem's husband? Oh, I'm not, I'm not talking about the kink stuff. I don't care about that. It's the infidelity I'm talking about. Right. Like, that's my point. Like, it's just, it's everywhere. How about. Yeah, sorry, it's a little unfiltered today. Pete. Pete Heimstead. Another one. Cheated on his wife. Like, like, there are so many examples that this should be aimed at. And they're like, no, because gay people exist. It's just so, it's in, it's insufferable.

[April]

Truly, truly insufferable. Insufferable. Yeah. So I don't know if it's Andy Ogles or Andy Ogles, but I don't care. He is, he Congress. He's a congressman from somewhere. I don't know where he's from.

[Tim Whitaker]

Probably Florida or Alabama.

[April]

It's a little. Yeah. He tweeted out homosexuality has no place in America. Happy nuclear family month. And he then later, I don't know if you saw, but actually deleted it.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes. He blames someone on his comms team. Do we really buy this? Do people buy. I mean, this is what Trump does too, right? Trump did this with the whole Jesus thing. Someone on my team posted it and what was it? Alex Zucky's like, I believe him. He thought he was, he was just being depicted as a doctor.

[April]

It's just, he's, he's from Tennessee.

[Tim Whitaker]

They think that you're stupid. They think that you are dumb.

[April]

Yeah, I, I, I don't believe that that was, no. What did he say? He was like, I was out farming all day or something.

[Tim Whitaker]

I pulled this, I pulled this other tweet. Look at this one from Andy. Muslims don't belong in American society. Pluralism is a lie. Okay, dude. No, I, I believe that you posted this if you can say that about, about our Muslims neighbors, I totally believe that you can say homosexuality has no place in America. Happy nuclear family Month. That, that is completely, it's in, it's on brand for who you are as a bigot and you know, someone who's just not a good human.

[April]

But yeah, this was his response to. He posted it on X earlier today while working on the farm. I don't know why, that's just a funny statement. Earlier today while working on the farm, my phone began going crazy because of a post made by a member of my comms team. The post was stupid, hurtful and a complete distraction from my America first focus. He didn't. Honestly, that's not even like I disagree with the post. Like there's no. Like, obviously we accept homosexuals in our country.

[Tim Whitaker]

There is a plot twist though.

[April]

There is a plot twist.

[Tim Whitaker]

There is a plot twist because jump scare this guy. Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz, he was asked about this, about this statement. I'm going to play the response. Here you go.

[April]

Andy Ogles, Republican from Tennessee.

[Tim Whitaker]

He says that homosexuality has no place in America.

[April]

Agree or disagree?

[Tim Whitaker]

Well, I think for all of recorded history, homosexuals have been part of humanity. And you know, I gotta say my, I'm quite libertarian by nature. I think the behavior of the consenting adults is, is their business. But what do you think about a member of your party saying that they

[April]

just have no place in America?

[Tim Whitaker]

Like forget marriage, just no place. So Ted Cruz comes out with a pretty shocking statement. But April, I was thinking about this and I did research it. Ted Cruz, his daughter came out as bisexual a couple years ago.

[April]

I remember that. Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

And I'm going to be honest with you. I really think that when you're in proximity, especially when it's your child, it's really hard to support that kind of rhetoric because Andy's talking about his kid and because it's his kid, his stance is going to change. Which by the way, good. I will, I will absolutely take that. I'm glad that maybe Ted Cruz is rethinking his views on this issue. But also isn't it interesting how the people who talk about this stuff who might shock you also happen to have children who might be queer. I just think that's an interesting, you know, connection.

[April]

Yeah. But there's also plenty of examples of people that are very anti queer and have queer kids. Yeah, they're, they've just abandoned them or kicked them out or disowned them, you know, like that. That also happens a lot. And yes. And While it is frustrating that it takes people knowing someone in order to change, I'm glad that they at least changed. You know, that's. That's better than doubling down in the moment. And that's also why they are going so hard against empathy. Because they know that if you meet someone that you've been taught to hate and then you realize there's nothing evil about them and in fact they're just a regular human, just like you are, then that's when you actually start to change. When you get close enough to someone, and you can only get close enough to someone when you stop hating them. And that's why they say, keep your distance. They're coming for your children. They're evil, they're demonic. It's too key. It's so you keep your distance. Because as soon as you get close, you can't lie to yourself about how evil these people are, because they're not.

[Tim Whitaker]

I mean, that's a big part of both of our stories of how we went from these, you know, evangelical fundamentalists to eventually someone people who became a fully affirming. Because at least the start for me was really was working with my first ever gay person right at Starbucks. And I was like. At first I was like, oh my gosh, I have to watch out because I've been taught all these things. Like you said, you're just taught these really terrible things about gay people. But as I got to know him and we got to talk, I'm like, oh, this is another human being. I know that sounds crazy to say now, but when you're in these spaces being taught every day that these queer folks are grooming your children and how evil they are and how gross they are, you just create this caricature of someone that doesn't even exist. And when I met his name was Joey at Starbucks, I was. That all melted away quite quickly. It was like oh, like, okay, you're nothing. Like what I was taught you would be like. And now I have more questions because there's a mismatch here. But I can't deny what's right in front of me, that you're a human being who's actually in relationship with someone. And you. You guys are deeply in love. And like, I can't deny that because it's happening. So I agree, I agree that the whole war on empathy and the whole, you know, building sides, part of that is designed to keep people from meeting the other, because once you do that, it's really hard to be hateful.

[April]

It's really hard oh, yeah, for sure. It's also like, the people that are like, oh, stop shoving queer stuff down our throats. These people just won't shut up. They're just shoving it down our throats are like, I've never had a gay person come and knock on my door to try to convert me to be gay.

[Tim Whitaker]

Really? You haven't?

[April]

No.

[Tim Whitaker]

It happens every week in my neighborhood. No, exactly. I mean, it's funny. We had Jehovah Witnesses going into our neighborhood. They knocked on our door and gave us a pamphlet. Like, it's fine. That's about it. Doesn't bother me at all. But you're right, like, there's no. There's no, like, queer proselytizing club that's like, you know, what are you. You might be gay, mister. Have you ever considered. Like, that's just not. They just. Most people that I know, in fact, all the folks that I think I can think of that are queer want to be left alone. Like, they just want to be left alone and they want to be able to celebrate who they are without being killed for it. And I just talked to my friend Billy Horde, who's also on the board of the New Evangelicals, a trans woman. Like, trans folks in particular are terrified because of what's happening in this world thanks to this regime and people that we just talked about. Right. Like, it's a scary time to be someone who is not, you know, straight, frankly. And it's concerning. So they try to be left alone. That's all they want, just to be left alone.

[April]

Yeah, it's not. It's not just, let's just leave people alone.

[Tim Whitaker]

It's alone.

[April]

It's not hard.

[Tim Whitaker]

Well, do you want it? You want to get to Megan? I just feel like we have to. We just have to get to Megan.

[April]

Megan has self admitted that she's going to war against pride.

[Tim Whitaker]

I don't. I don't want. So, Megan Basham, if you don't know, April, I did tell you. I'm like, I am just on one today. My head feels heavy. I feel, you know when you feel just like so cluttered in your head, you just can't get the words out. That's how I feel today. And Megan Basham is a Daily Wire air quotes journalist who, and I want to be truthful, is probably one of the most vile people I've seen on the Internet in a very long time.

[April]

She's incredibly hateful and, like, doesn't seem to have any remorse for the hate she sends towards actual human beings.

[Tim Whitaker]

No self Awareness. No Self reflection. She's incredibly cruel. And she lies. She lies about things all the time. One of the things that she was known for was going after the sex abuse survivors of the Southern Baptist Convention and lying about what actually is happening. She's a very vile person. And I say that, like, without. You know, without. I say that after even considering that she's currently going through cancer treatment. Like, I. I have empathy for her. I've wished her well on the Internet. I don't want cancer to take her life. And also, she is a cruel and vile person on the Internet. And so, yeah, I mean, she decided to just go, I don't know, ham on. On. On Pride Month. And I don't understand why. Where's the first. Actually, should we do the Gemini one first? We're gonna do that.

[April]

Yeah. Well, that was in response to. Yeah, her chatgpt, to give you an example.

[Tim Whitaker]

Just how petty. We could start with that one.

[April]

Okay, yeah, yeah, sure. So. So she goes to ChatGPT. I'll just read you what she says. Right. Wow. I asked ChatGPT to create a slide deck for Instagram using my post below that opposes Pride Month. It told me it could not do it. Violation of policy. I didn't ask it to write the post. I wrote the post. I only asked it to format it into slides appropriate for Instagram. Clear viewpoint discrimination.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, pause, pause. There have been times where I've used ChatGPT to help me organize maybe an outline for something. And whenever it deals with certain topics around essay or around, you know, certain types of. I mean, I've asked it to make outlines on my talks about Trump. And it tells me that it can't do it because I'm discriminating. And, you know, I've never said, wow, I'm being discriminated against. I'm like. I'm like, no, like, okay, chatgpt parameters I don't like, but, like, it is what it is. Like, it doesn't mean it's inherently, you know, for or anti Trump. It's an AI bot. It's wild that Megan thinks ChatGPT is intentionally discriminating against her. Oh, my gosh.

[April]

A point to like of context that really doesn't mean anything, but I just personally find funny the post she's quote tweeting that she sent through Chat GPT is a quote tweet that she did of Sesame Street.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. Wait, wait, this one.

[April]

Wait, yeah, so that's one of them. She quote tweeted Sesame street twice.

[Tim Whitaker]

No, I have. I had the other One, too. It was crazy. I was like, oh, my gosh, it's even longer. Where is it? Hold on.

[April]

Like, imagine just going ham on Sesame Street.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, I definitely.

[April]

What did Elmo do to you?

[Tim Whitaker]

I pulled it. Hold on, I'll pull it. I'll grab it. It was. It was really good. I remember thinking, oh, here it is. Yeah, Here. This one.

[April]

Yeah. So. And that's not even the whole thing because I didn't send you the one with the show more thing. So Sesame street quote tweets. It's like the rainbow. Rainbow colors and it's, like, furry. So, like, of the Muppet on Sesame Street. Sesame street says Happy Pride Month from Sesame Street. Join us in celebrating and uplifting the LGBTQIA members of our community. That's it.

[Tim Whitaker]

That's it.

[April]

Megan. In the Old Testament, we are told of good kings who did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, but who did not tear down the high places. These were places of idolatrous worship. And even though Israel would go back to. I don't even know. It is a novel.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

And she's replying to Sesame Street.

[Tim Whitaker]

It's just pulling from the Hebrew Bible. No. No relevance at all to the topic at hand. Like, none.

[April]

It's so stupid. I can't.

[Tim Whitaker]

I hate it here.

[April]

Yeah, that was.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. So that was her response. This was. This was what that was in response to.

[April]

Yes. Yes. She's quote, tweeting her whatever long thing is about Sesame street because she wanted chat sheep to it. So then this lady who just goes

[Tim Whitaker]

by Bible reader, Jesus saves 15 is something. Yeah.

[April]

On Twitter, she replied to Megan's ChatGPT rant and said it. I'm assuming ChatGPT actually argued with me once and said basically that it didn't care if I was offended because it insisted on calling a he a her, meaning that chat. The chat bot was using a trans person's pronouns.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

Pronouns, Correct pronouns. Megan replies, this is a journalist, everyone.

[Tim Whitaker]

This is a journalist. A journalist.

[April]

Truth telling, I had that argument with Jim and I yesterday. Eventually I got it to refer to Elon's son as a son and call him he. But I had to argue with it for a while first. Basically, I finally insisted, this is my preference. These are my queries, and I do not want you changing my preferred terms. At that point, it dropped the daughter and feminine pronouns garbage.

[Tim Whitaker]

I just picture.

[April]

How much time do these people have on their hands?

[Tim Whitaker]

I just picture Megan, like, just like rage typing at, like, one o' clock in the morning, and her husband's like, Megan, do you want to come to bed? Not now, Bob. Gemini is. It's. It's using proper pronouns for trans people. I have to tell another. I just, like, imagine her just, like, freaking out. This, like, hard conversation. And I just like why

[April]

that is so. I like, I can't believe she admitted that out loud. That is so embarrassing.

[Tim Whitaker]

It's, it's, it's, it's what?

[April]

Like, who has the energy to argue with the chat bot over pronouns?

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, my God.

[April]

Also, it sounds like she finally understands my preferred pronouns. Like, oh, you almost got it.

[Tim Whitaker]

You're so close, Megan.

[April]

So close.

[Tim Whitaker]

She also, I don't think I do have the tweet of her talking about how she wants to outlaw sodomy. That was like, guys, I think, look, I know we're laughing because we need to. And at the same time, if I can just bring it home for a second, especially to our non former evangelical audience, the reason why April and I can't stop yapping about this stuff, the reason why tne are a big part of why tne the new evangelicals exists. Right? The reason why so many other content creators are out there saying this is a really bad situation is because we keep telling you it's only going to get more and more extreme. Like, if you think Trump was the bottom of the barrel. No, now we're into Nick Fuentes territory. Now. Nick Fuentes is popularized. If you think that just saying I don't celebrate pride, it was bad. No, no. They want, they want gay folks outlawed again. They actually want to guess what? They have the power in the government to start that process. They want to overturn Obergefell. They. It's not just rhetoric for them. They are on, and I mean this literally, a Christian crusade. A Christian crusade to eradicate anyone who is not like them religiously, who's not like them sexually, who's not like them when it comes to hierarchies or what they believe that's what they ultimately want. And I think the reason why Pride month in particular makes them so irate is for several reasons. I think a lot of them, first off, are just projecting. I think there's a lot of clause in homophobia and, you know, homo, like internalized homophobia. Thank you. I'm. I'm fumbling today. But yes, internalized homophobia. I think a lot of it's projection. I really do. I think, you know, the fact that Megan is like, non stop incessantly tweeting about Pride Month kind of says something about Megan, in my opinion. I Think that's a huge part of it. Number two, I really think that a lot of these folks believe that they are on a God given crusade to make America what they think is godly again. Which means that they can just eradicate gay people. Suddenly we're gonna become whatever they have in their mind as some kind of ideal nation. And third, I just think we have to realize that some people are hateful. They are just hateful people. They can't imagine a world that is more diverse than them. They can't imagine a world where people flourish in ways that are different from them. And white evangelical Christianity is the epitome of that. Even as a child, you're just taught that there's only one way to heaven. And it's not. It's not Christian. It's their version of Christian. Right. There's only one way for you to be in relationship, right. Sexually, it's with one person of the opposite sex for life. You have to wait until marriage for that. It's so narrow. They can't fathom a world where people not like them are flourishing. And when they do, when they celebrate who they are, I think it makes them really irate because it shows that they are committed to dogma, not to truth telling. That's what I think.

[April]

Yeah. Well, I think there's an envy too. I think they have this like, deep level of envy that they probably don't even recognize. Cause it's so internalized.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

Of how free queer people are.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes.

[April]

Like when you see someone being their actually authentic self and you are white knuckling and suppressing who you are, there's this rage that comes out because you are not able to do that. And if you can't do that, well, then they can't do that.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right.

[April]

And so. And also I do think, kind of to your point, I feel like if you can genuinely believe that being gay is a choice and that you choose to be gay, I think you're just bi.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep. Yep.

[April]

Because I was bi. Or I mean, I am bi, but I

[Tim Whitaker]

was April.

[April]

God saved me.

[Tim Whitaker]

I knew it.

[April]

No, no, but like, for my, my entire life, I have always been attracted to some of my girlfriends. And I just thought, oh, that's this evil part of me that I need to squash and I need to choose to be straight. And that, that logic always made sense to me because I was choosing to have a boyfriend, which I was still attracted to men. So to me it was like, oh, yeah, just, just do that. Why not? You know? And then turns out I was just Bi. And it's like, just what it is. Like, it doesn't change anything about me to acknowledge that fact.

[Tim Whitaker]

Do you ever think about how when you look back on your life before, you were affirming how you can see how you thought, but don't know how you were compelled by what you thought? Meaning, like, I know how I got there back in the day. I know how I thought about the Bible and about gay people being inherently sinful. I don't know why I found it so compelling for so long, because now that I'm on this side, I could never imagine going back to that way of thinking I couldn't fathom. Because you're right, it is so your white knuckling positions that so often fly in the face of. Of reality, Right? Like. Like, and you're taught things that don't add up for you, like the whole purity culture thing, Right? Hey, I mean, as a man, I was taught if I can just wait until marriage, I'm pretty much guaranteed to have the best sex life I could ever imagine. Nonstop 24 7. Like, it's going to be a sex buffet. And it's like, that is not that. Talk about a hypersexualization and like a fantasy, you know, just situate, you know, narrative where you're taught, like, this unrealistic thing where your wife becomes like a sex robot. But that's what I was taught. I mean, I was literally taught that. And so when you. When you do everything right and you hate the right people and you worship the right God and your life still sucks, your. Your sex life is still unfulfilling, you know, you feel like maybe you're trapped somewhere. You feel like maybe you're trapped in these dogmas because that's all you've known. Of course you're going to be angry at people who are like, man, that sucks to be you. You don't have to be that way. But I'm not gonna live that way. I'm gonna live this way. And I'm really happy, you know, it's obvious how people can get so angry about that.

[April]

Yeah. And it's why they have to believe hell is real. Because it's like the one silver lining for them being miserable and living hell on earth in this life. Well, at least I know when I die, I'll be in paradise. And all these people who are happy today, they're gonna be punished. Yes, it's a terrible way to live as someone who used to live it.

[Tim Whitaker]

It's so much anxiety, man. I had panic attacks over Hell, I had legit panic attacks over going to hell. When I died, I was worried, like, what? Wait, I had this moment where I was like, wait, what if doing it this way actually isn't the right way? And when I die, I still go to hell. Like, how do I know? How do I know? And I literally. My body, it literally. It panicked. I had that, like, adrenaline dump that you get. I started hyperventilating. I'm like, wait, what if I'm wrong about this and I still end up burning alive like it's crazy again? I couldn't imagine going back to it, but it was very real to me at the time. Very real.

[April]

Well, yeah. And a lot of these people really believe it, so.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever.

[April]

Do we want to read some super chats and then do a break and then do our.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

Final segment?

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, now we. April, we have not talked about this. We got a. We got a sword drill challenge here. We have not. We have not negotiated our sword drill ethics on this show yet, apparently.

[April]

Oh, our producer says we actually have two sword drills in there. One of which. Well, let's. Let's just. We'll say we'll do the two and. And be done.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay.

[April]

We need to. We need to set the terms ahead of time.

[Tim Whitaker]

I know.

[April]

I don't know. Are we. I feel like we're.

[Tim Whitaker]

You know who's winning? Yeah, that's right.

[April]

I think you're up. 1.

[Tim Whitaker]

It's just a game, but it's not that serious. Okay, 22 to 25.

[April]

When are we going?

[Tim Whitaker]

You. You count.

[April]

Okay. 3, 2, 1. Go. What was it? Galatians 5?

[Tim Whitaker]

None of your business.

[April]

I got it. I got it. But the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience. Kind of good. Is faithful is just self control. Against such things, there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

[Tim Whitaker]

I think we're tied now. Oh, I missed it. All right, thank you, Stevie the Clown for Super Chat. Another one from Stevie Clown. Happy pride. Pixie bells. My girly drag doll Clown. Love you both and your work. Thank you so much. Stevie Clown means so much. Okay, we got one more super chat with it. That's a sword drill.

[April]

A hundred dollars.

[Tim Whitaker]

I think it's 100 NOK. What is knock?

[April]

What is no K?

[Tim Whitaker]

Someone will tell us in the chat.

[April]

I don't know, but that's still a lot. No K. Whatever that is, it sounds good to me.

[Tim Whitaker]

Thank you so much. Okay, you ready?

[April]

Wait, what is this? Second Samuel. Okay, you count us down this time, so it's fair.

[Tim Whitaker]

Three, two, one, go.

[April]

What was it?

[Tim Whitaker]

Second Samuel 126.

[April]

Second Samuel 1 26.

[Tim Whitaker]

I got it. I got it.

[April]

Dang it.

[Tim Whitaker]

I got it. I grieve for you, Jonathan, my brother. You were such a friend to me. Your love for me was more wonderful than the love of women.

[April]

Happy Pride to David and Jonathan.

[Tim Whitaker]

Jonathan. I love that. Really. Trailblazers for their time. You know,

[April]

I like that we did one on one.

[Tim Whitaker]

I love that too.

[April]

We can be ty. We can be friendly.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, we can. Okay.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

I'll read a few more here from System of an Up. Happy Pride. So thankful that we got to see you guys in person a few weeks ago. Never let let the disgusting tweets keep you from spreading the message of love and inclusion. Thank you so much. Thanks for coming out to our show. It was so much fun. Over in Sarasota. Renee Lamour, 4170. Hi, Tim and April. I'm Trans. Thank you for your support. I love your show and listen to it a lot. Thank you, Renee, for being here. That's so awesome.

[April]

And that picture is beautiful of you, by the way.

[Tim Whitaker]

It is. That's a beautiful picture. The hair. Gosh, I gotta learn how to grow my hair back. Teach me your ways. Okay. Dulk Dogan. Happy Pride Month. Why are evangelicals so shocked when the show with Bert and Ernie celebrates pride? I'm half expecting them to try and push the puppet Gerbert over the Muppets.

[April]

Gerbert. I remember Gerbert.

[Tim Whitaker]

I don't remember Gerber.

[April]

Did you ever watch Gerbert?

[Tim Whitaker]

No.

[April]

It was like this like 90s Christian kids TV show. It was like a little Muppet puppet.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, cool. Well, thank you for the super chat. And last one, cartoon 49 thought on Riley Gaines posts of Happy Nuclear Family. We covered that earlier. So thank you so much, so much for the super chat. Means the world. Okay, friends. The Tim and April show is produced by the New Evangelicals, a non profit organization that helps people find a better path forward in your faith. There are so many, many amazing resources. There's amazing content. There's other podcasts that that the organization does. The New Evangelicals Podcast Advocacy Hour. It's a whole world of amazing content helping you find a better path forward. And this month we are celebrating Pride Month. So on the New Evangelicals podcast, all four episodes are about Pride Month with different people in the queer community. So make sure to check that out. We're going to hear a quick ad from them. Make sure to give this video a like subscribe to the channel. We will come back and we'll tee up our next segment and then we'll wrap up. So thanks for being here. Bye.

[Jennifer Lee]

Hi, my name is Jennifer Lee. I live in Phoenix, Arizona and I'm a proud T and E Monthly supporter. I found T and E a couple of years ago, but I've been chasing down content like this for years now. In 2017 I had a nervous breakdown. This was partially as a result of being a closeted lesbian raised in an unaffirming Southern Baptist Christian home. That awakening for me brought many gifts, one of which is the passion I now have for understanding the actual Bible, radical Christianity, and an ever widening understanding of what it means to truly follow Jesus in today's world. A second gift is the work I get to do in the world. I'm a physical therapist with an expertise in the treatment of anxiety and chronic pain. The reality is that the medical profession hasn't yet fully acknowledged the depth and complexity of the human body to hold physical or emotional pain and trauma. This is compounded by the fact that historically, we aren't taught a healthy way of expression until we're forced to by necessity in the form of pain or dis ease. The work I do enables me to stand proudly in a nuanced area incorporating how we can witness, access and release this tension from the body to improve someone's life. The crossover between Tim's mission for TNE and my mission for my practice is undeniable. We both see the potential for a better, brighter future for the work in the world that we do. So I will happily continue to support T and E and advocate for a more inclusive, expansive future for everyone.

[Kimberly Brown Phillips]

Things feel heavy right now, and we know they are, but we are not giving up on one another. My name is Deirdre Catlett. I'm on the Board of Directors for the New Evangelicals and I'm here to tell you that TNE is hitting the road this summer and we are bringing the conversation to you. We are debuting three new workshops, practical tools for helping families talk across political divides, leading with integrity when it is hard and finding your way back when you've been pulled into fear completely free for everyone. Our home base is going to be right here in Tennessee, but we're going to have legs of the tour that go to Tampa Bay, Raleigh, North Carolina, Boston, Massachusetts and Minneapolis, Minnesota and lots of stops along the way. So if you know of a venue, could be a church music venue anywhere really, that would like to talk about hosting, please reach Out. Every event will be free and open to the public, but we will be taking donations at each stop so that we can continue keeping our resources, including these new workshops, free for everyone. Things are heavy, but it is more important now than ever to remember what we're fighting for. Be on the lookout because details of the tour will be coming soon.

[Tim Whitaker]

Sweet. Very cool. TNE tour should be a good time. Okay, we are going to get to our final segment of the show. We got a doozy.

[April]

Several people sent this one to us.

[Tim Whitaker]

Several. I have to say, my wife sent this one to me, and I think some people tagged us in the comments immediately texted you. I was like, we're Christian. Bleep. Not even a question. It's been decided.

[April]

Yeah. So listen, we do succumb to peer pressure.

[Tim Whitaker]

We do. We do. Yeah.

[April]

We give it free to send us stuff.

[Tim Whitaker]

All right, let's get into our last segment really quick. Someone brought up a question I want to answer briefly around the tour that TNE is doing. Is there a website for the donation, for funding for the tour? Yes. TheNeweeVangelicals.com donate. All that money gets used in part to help fund all of what we do, including the tour. So that's the best way to do it. Oh, my wife is watching. Thanks, Sarah, for sending me this one. Appreciate that. Okay, let me find it. I think I queued it up.

[April]

I love Sarah.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay. Oh, I love Sarah, too. She's the best. And we have some pretty cool news coming. Okay. Rude. Very funny. I do. All right, so let's just play it.

[April]

Let's just play it. Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

And then we'll react.

[April]

Hold on for context. For those listening, it is a man and wife. Husband. Wife. And a baby sitting on a bed. Yeah, that's the context.

[Tim Whitaker]

I think we should just give a disclaimer. We really do our best to make sure that these clips that we give you are not satire. And we researched this one. This is not satire. Keep that in mind. Here we go.

[Unidentified Husband in Prayer Video]

All right, guys, it's that time of the month. Abby just started her period, so she's feeling a little frustrated, a little emotional. She's in pain, and we like to start her period in prayer. It's helpful for Abby, of course. It's helpful for me, and it's helpful for little Brennan. God, thank you so much for Abby. Thank you for her healthy body that works properly. We pray that today as she starts her period, that you would be with her, that you would comfort her and strengthen her by your spirit. I pray that she would not be driven by her emotions, driven by her feelings, but that she would be anchored in your truth. Today we come against the enemy who would try to cause her to be unproductive and unfruitful. Today I speak life over Abby. I speak blessing over her. I speak productivity. I pray that she would have ambition, that you would give her energy. And, Lord, I also pray for sweet Breckland, that she would behave as she's with Mommy today while Daddy's at work, and that she would not cause Mommy any more pain. But even if she does, I pray that Mommy would have grace, supernatural grace. I pray, God, that you would give me patience and that I would love her well, serve her well, and take care of her. Lord, we thank you that you brought us together in marriage. We're not going to let our feelings or our pain or our suffering separate us. We commit to unity, and we pray that you would just bless us. Bless our family. May your peace, may your joy, may your life be present in our house today. Lord, heal Abby's body. In Jesus name, we pray. And everybody said amen. Amen. Abby said she's gonna be praying in tongues all day, basically, and she's just gonna say the name, the of. Of Jesus over and over and over.

[April]

First day is just the hardest, but

[Tim Whitaker]

no, then we'll be good tomorrow.

[Jennifer Lee]

Oh, Bren.

[Unidentified Husband in Prayer Video]

Bren, you want to be in the camera? So can you say hey? Can you say amen?

[Tim Whitaker]

Love you, baby.

[Unidentified Husband in Prayer Video]

You're going to have the best day ever. All right.

[April]

Gonna be so good.

[Tim Whitaker]

You are. You're gonna get after it. For real. I'm proud of you.

[Melinda Hale]

Thank you.

[Tim Whitaker]

Is it ever gonna end?

[Unidentified Husband in Prayer Video]

Camera's, like, pointing that way.

[Tim Whitaker]

I'm proud.

[April]

I feel like we shouldn't be here.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. For real. I wonder. Yeah. I mean, I don't like posting pictures of kids online, but, God, listen, the baby was cute. Oh, so cute. No, it's this. The baby was the best part of this video. The little sneezes. So cute.

[April]

That was so cute.

[Tim Whitaker]

That was painful.

[April]

They treat like they were treating her period like it's a disease.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. And also, by the way, I'm no expert, but that's a young baby. She could be also be going through ppd, postpartum depression. That's very possible as well. Like, there's could be a lot of things happening that, like, at one time, and for him to be. For him to be doing this on camera is genuinely crazy.

[April]

Honestly, the thing that irked me the most was when he was like, I pray that she will Be productive.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes.

[April]

I'm sorry, what?

[Tim Whitaker]

What? Like, productive? Her body is being productive. Leave her alone.

[April]

Like, her body is shedding.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right? Right.

[April]

And like eggs that were not fertilized and bleeding like it is.

[Tim Whitaker]

And she has a. An infant or a toddler by herself today. And you pray for her to be protected.

[April]

How about I pray that man actually owns up and is productive and lets that wife rest because her body's going through a lot. Not to mention, as you said, postpartum. Another human being.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right? Are you kidding? Dude, if this. Hey, I'm not sure this lady's name is. If you're watching, dump him. Dump this man. Like, just. Goodbye. What? How does. Here's the thing. He thinks he's being a good husband here. He thinks by praying. But try the way that kind of prayer is just a way to say what you feel, but hide behind God. Right. We all have done this before. We're like. We're like. We try and use the prayer thing to really express how we feel. The kind of. But also the kind of sidestep, you know, the hard parts. But God's telling you this kind of thing. It is so wild that he's really telling or praying that she has a productive day. That is so. It's so, like, passive aggressive. It's so passive aggressive and patronizing.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

And dear God, I pray that my wife has a productive day. Like, cleans the kitchen and does the dishes and sweeps up as she's on her period. And that we. What do you say? Like, we rebuke the devil. What devil? Her body is doing what her body does.

[April]

Did he say rebuke the devil?

[Tim Whitaker]

He said something like that. I got to find it. He's.

[April]

Well. And then at one point, I was like, well, at least he asked for patience for himself, too. But no, what do you need patience for? Like, you should already just naturally be patient for what her body is going through. Give me patience. Like, this just feels very much like I am inconvenienced by my wife's natural hormones and natural, like, menstruation, which is very natural, and I'm inconvenienced for it. So we're gonna pray and hope that she just behaves and ignores what's actually happening so that I can live my life as if this wasn't happening.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. By the way, I don't see where he talked about the devil being rebuked. I'm sorry. I could have read into that. That's my bad. But he also says.

[April]

He did say the enemy there, so Maybe that's.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. Okay. That's what I was thinking of then. Where'd he say that? Is he here?

[Unidentified Husband in Prayer Video]

I speak productivity. I pray that she would have ambition, that you would give her energy.

[Tim Whitaker]

And, Lord, I'll that prayer should be. I pray that she can rest as her body does what her body does. And that body needs rest. Yes, her body needs rest. Like, dude, are you kidding me?

[Unidentified Husband in Prayer Video]

Dude, pray for sweet Breckland that she would behave as she's with Mommy today while Daddy's at work and that she would not cause Mommy any more pain.

[Tim Whitaker]

What. What kind of prayer is this? Any more pain?

[April]

Like, physical pain. What is that baby doing? Emotional pain.

[Tim Whitaker]

We're not gonna let our feelings or our pains or suffering separate us. Oh. Oh. He also says, heal her. Where did he say something I thought was just so gross? On one hand, he thanks her for. He thanks God for a healthy body. Then he says something. Where is it? I was like, what? Oh, heal Abby's body. Wait, what? There's nothing. There's nothing to heal her.

[April]

Yeah, this is very natural.

[Tim Whitaker]

I've been married for 10 years. This is, like, just a normal part of life for any. Any married person.

[April]

You've never prayed over Sarah at the beginning of her period?

[Tim Whitaker]

Sarah, if you're watching, come on in. I'll pray over you right now. No, she would slap me. She really wouldn't. But, like, she'd be like, what the heck are you doing? Yeah, what am I doing? Praying over your period.

[April]

If Beecher ever came up to me and was like, oh, you're on your period. All right, let's pray over this.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, Sarah, you're here. You want me to pray over you?

[April]

Don't talk to me.

[Tim Whitaker]

Want me to lay hands on you? All right.

[April]

Wait, is she on her period?

[Tim Whitaker]

No, she just finished.

[April]

Everyone stretch your hands towards her period recently?

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, Sarah just finished her period a couple of days ago, I think. Right. Two days ago.

[April]

Currently on my period, so I will receive. Receive thine prayers.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes, we lay hands. We pray that. That the Lord heals your body. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so, so. Oh, my gosh. It was right. It was right. Oh, my God. Anyway. Gosh. Gross.

[April]

Okay, well, was that. Was that what they do for the. For nuclear family Month?

[Tim Whitaker]

Is that how they show that they rededicate the ritual? Oh, my God. Dude, can I say one more thing briefly? Then we'll wrap this particular sect of Christianity, this, like, more charismatic space, because he mentioned speaking in tongues. It's. It's. They will tell you how they. How they hate witches and hate witchcraft while they do things that feel so, like, witchy in, like, the stereotypical sense. Right. He's praying over his wife. He's declaring these things. Like, dude, it's the same kind of concept that you probably think is inherently demonic, but because you say a different word, it feels. It just makes no sense to me. It doesn't add up.

[April]

Can I just say, the worst part about this video is the fact that it's a video and they posted it.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right.

[April]

Like, they were, like, mentioned it in passing. Like, yeah, I pray over my wife when she starts her period. Okay, that's weird. But y', all, you know, do you. If that. If you think it helps and you enjoy that, that's fine. It's the fact that they filmed it. They set up a tripod.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep.

[April]

To film this.

[Tim Whitaker]

That they made sure that they were in the shot. Everything was framed correctly. Right. Like, this was planned. Like, he.

[April]

He.

[Tim Whitaker]

And I. I doubt it was her. I. I'm gonna make some assumptions. I doubt it was her idea.

[April]

That is an assumption that I'm.

[Tim Whitaker]

I don't know. I'm gonna say. He's like, babe, why don't we show the world what a godly marriage looks like? And why don't I pray over you during your period to model to people our age what it looks like to be in a healthy covenant marriage? I'm not saying that's what happened. I could totally see that. I could totally see that.

[April]

There actually is a Bible verse against this.

[Tim Whitaker]

No.

[April]

Yeah. Matthew 6.

[Tim Whitaker]

Tell me.

[April]

Says, and when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others.

[Tim Whitaker]

My, my, my, my, my, my. Yeah, well, that part doesn't count. We gotta just. We gotta pray over our partner while they're on their period and film it

[April]

and post it for the world to. To see.

[Tim Whitaker]

That baby was cute, though, the little sneezes.

[Melinda Hale]

No.

[April]

Baby was so cute.

[Tim Whitaker]

So cute little cheeks. Anyway.

[April]

No.

[Tim Whitaker]

All right, friends, well, on that. On that uplifting note.

[April]

Yeah. Let us know if you're on your period, ladies, so we can pray with you. Or send us whoever's on period.

[Tim Whitaker]

If you send us a $10 donation, we'll send you a prayer cloth that we prayed over for your. Okay, this is getting rushed.

[April]

No, we won't do. That

[Tim Whitaker]

is satire. That's satire. Okay. Anyway, friends, well, thanks for being here again. Please make sure to like and subscribe. Happy Pride Month to all of our queer neighbors out there. And to you and Beecher, April, obviously. Happy Pride Month. To both of you as well. So, so glad that we're able to

[April]

be friends and shine.

[Tim Whitaker]

You will. So. All right. On that note, I'm too. This is.

[April]

And I'm April. A joy. Happy Pride Month. Wave the flags get you down. Just be extra glittery and annoy them.

[Tim Whitaker]

Bye,

[April]

Sam.