18. Pro-life hypocrisy from Georgia to Gaza, Plantation Burns & Trump Chaos

Summary

The Tim & April Show: Episode 18 Summary

Released on May 23, 2025 by The New Evangelicals

Overview

In Episode 18 of The Tim & April Show, titled "Pro-life hypocrisy from Georgia to Gaza, Plantation Burns & Trump Chaos", hosts Tim and April delve into a range of pressing issues intertwining faith, politics, and culture. From personal revelations and family anecdotes to critical discussions on political hypocrisy, historical injustices, and current global conflicts, the episode offers a comprehensive look at the complexities facing modern evangelical Christians.

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1. Personal Updates and Family Stories

Yes Day with the Kids [02:13 - 05:21]

April shares heartwarming stories about her youngest daughter's kindergarten graduation and their recent "Yes Day," inspired by the Netflix movie Yes Day with Jennifer Garner. The day allowed their children, aged 6 and 8, to make all decisions within set parameters, leading to fun activities like styling their parents with makeup and face paint, visiting the mall, playing drums at Guitar Center, and watching the Minecraft movie in theaters.

• Notable Quote:

  April [03:34]: "They wanted mommy and daddy to chase us and pretend to be monsters."

2. Tim’s ADHD Diagnosis

Revelation and Reflections [05:47 - 08:40]

Tim reveals that he has been officially diagnosed with ADHD after a session with a psychiatrist. He discusses the implications of the diagnosis, his apprehensions about medication, and how it might impact his role as a father, husband, and content creator. Tim emphasizes the importance of addressing mental health openly to ensure sustainable personal and professional lives.

• Notable Quote:

  Tim [05:51]: "I have officially been diagnosed with ADHD... I've always known, most likely I have ADHD, but I'm not one of those people to claim things that I don't have official diagnoses for."

3. Political Commentary: Trump and White Genocide Narrative

Trump’s Golfing Habits and White Genocide Claims [08:45 - 32:00]

Tim and April critique former President Donald Trump's presidency, highlighting his disproportionate time spent golfing—122 days in office with 24 days golfing, equating to approximately 19.67% of his term dedicated to leisure. They mock his declining popularity and juxtapose it with his promotion of the unfounded "white genocide" conspiracy in South Africa.

• Notable Quote:

  Tim [09:58]: "This guy's trending down... Bottom line, 122 days in office, 24 days spent golfing, equals 19.67% percentage of presidency."

April introduces the controversy surrounding Trump's claims of a white genocide in South Africa, debunking it with official data showing negligible links between murders and farmers.

• Notable Quote:

  April [25:16]: "The official data is not broken down by race. The other 29 victims included farm employees who tend to be black. So literally this is a made up point to reinforce white supremacy."

4. Nottoway Plantation Fire and Historical Injustices

Confronting Racism and Plantation History [09:37 - 21:06]

The hosts discuss the recent burning of the Nottoway Plantation in Georgia, a historical site built by slave labor in 1859. They critique the plantation owners for denying racist pasts and failing to acknowledge the horrors of slavery, arguing that Holocaust-like events (such as the fire) could be seen as divine judgment or linked to supernatural conspiracies involving the Annabelle doll—a purportedly demon-possessed toy.

• Notable Quote:

  Tim [17:49]: "If I was a prophetic style charismatic Christian, do I think maybe God's judgment is that... Look at God."

April connects the fire to the Annabelle lore, suggesting a supernatural angle to the event.

• Notable Quote:

  April [14:33]: "It's obviously conspiracy, but I love it. I think it's a fun..."

5. Gaza Conflict and Comparative Hypocrisy

Genocide in Gaza vs. White Genocide Claims [21:06 - 43:41]

The conversation shifts to the ongoing genocide in Gaza, contrasting it with Trump's baseless claims of white genocide in South Africa. Tim criticizes the double standards in American politics, where genuine humanitarian crises are ignored while conspiracies are amplified to serve white supremacist agendas.

• Notable Quote:

  Tim [28:45]: "We're watching a literal genocide being funded by the American taxpayers happen in Gaza... And then we'll make up literal lies about a white genocide in South Africa."

They play a clip of Piers Morgan acknowledging the genocide in Gaza, further validating their stance and highlighting the hypocrisy in mainstream conservative narratives.

• Notable Quote:

  Piers Morgan [34:02]: "We think that what's happening there has been a genocide."

6. Joe Biden’s Cancer Diagnosis and Political Implications

Speculations and Reactions [44:32 - 73:04]

Tim and April discuss the shocking announcement of President Joe Biden's aggressive prostate cancer diagnosis. They question the timing and transparency of the disclosure, debating whether it was a genuine medical revelation or a political maneuver. The hosts express frustration with the political climate that allows such speculative narratives to flourish, often fueling misinformation and divisiveness.

• Notable Quote:

  Tim [55:54]: "Ain't no way he wrote this. First off, there's nothing about all caps... there's nothing grammatically correct."

They critique both Trump’s and Biden’s handling of health disclosures, emphasizing the need for truth and accountability in politics.

7. Abortion Laws and Ethical Dilemmas in Georgia

Adriana Smith’s Case [74:03 - 54:45]

The hosts cover the tragic case of Adriana Smith, a 30-year-old nurse in Georgia who was declared brain dead while nine weeks pregnant. Due to restrictive abortion laws, the state is keeping her on life support to save the fetus, now 22 weeks along, without the family's consent. Tim and April argue for the importance of choice in such ethical dilemmas, criticizing the law for its rigidity and the lack of compassion for the family's predicament.

• Notable Quote:

  April [49:15]: "We should have had a choice."

8. Current Political Developments and Supreme Court Rulings

GOP Bills and Healthcare Cuts [77:34 - 81:11]

Tim and April touch upon recent political developments, including the GOP's passing of a bill that threatens Medicare and healthcare for disabled individuals. They express concern over the increasing wealth disparity, noting that the top 10 billionaires in America grew their wealth by $365 billion last year, while the middle and lower classes struggle with basic necessities.

• Notable Quote:

  Tim [81:11]: "Jesus says, you can't Serve both God and money."

9. Humorous Segment: Weird Christian Shit

Light-Hearted Humor [83:43 - 89:46]

To balance the heavy topics, Tim and April conclude the episode with their light-hearted segment, "Weird Christian Shit." They play a humorous sermon clip that inadvertently includes sexual innuendos, showcasing their playful chemistry and providing listeners with a moment of levity amidst serious discussions.

• Notable Interaction:

  Tim: "Somebody told me one time, I don't have to preach at all... I could cut it like Subway and give you a six inch in the morning and a six inch at night."

  April: "That's not my style."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Tim and April navigate through a tapestry of personal stories, political critique, and cultural commentary, underscoring the hypocrisies and challenges within pro-life advocacy, evangelical Christianity, and broader societal issues. Their candid discussions, enriched with personal insights and critical analysis, offer listeners a thought-provoking exploration of faith intersecting with contemporary politics and moral dilemmas.

Key Takeaways:

• The importance of personal mental health awareness, as highlighted by Tim’s ADHD diagnosis.
• A critical examination of political narratives and the dangers of double standards in addressing humanitarian crises.
• The ethical complexities surrounding abortion laws and the profound impact of restrictive legislation on families.
• The ongoing struggle against white supremacy and the misrepresentation of global atrocities to serve biased agendas.
• The necessity for truthful discourse and accountability in political leadership and media representation.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim [05:51]: "I have officially been diagnosed with ADHD... I've always known, most likely I have ADHD, but I'm not one of those people to claim things that I don't have official diagnoses for."
• April [49:15]: "We should have had a choice."
• Tim [81:11]: "Jesus says, you can't Serve both God and money."

For listeners seeking an in-depth analysis of faith, politics, and culture through the lens of evangelical thought, Episode 18 offers a compelling and nuanced perspective.

Transcript

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Hi, hi, hi. Hello, friends. Welcome in Tim and April show. We are live. Hit that subscribe button and give the video a like. By the way, we changed the parameters for the chat. If you. An echo. Why am I echoing? Why is this happening? Am I echoing?

[B]

Well, you're not echoing on my end.

[A]

All then, all then, all then. Look at this. Drops this at the second we go live. Echo. And now I'm panicking, thinking, oh my goodness, something is broken.

[B]

Oh my gosh. Prank. It's like a April Fools.

[A]

My bad. Let me, let me restart that.

[B]

No reason.

[A]

Even though we're live. I'll try it again. Hi, friends. Welcome to the Tim and April show. Good to see all of you. We're live right now.

[B]

You're echoing though.

[A]

Am I really?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh my gosh, April. You know I'm sensitive about that.

[B]

Sorry, I just want to do a little, little gaslighting to start the show.

[A]

Oh God, you're hilarious. I've been gaslit. Lol. Lol. As I was saying earlier, we changed up the parameters of our chat. So if you want to engage in the chat, you have to make sure that you're subscribed to the channel for at least five minutes. That should kill any bots or trolls hopping in and making this not a fun time. So just FYI on that, but yes, great to be with you, friends. April, how are you doing? It's good to see you as always.

[B]

It is great to see you as well, Tim. I'm doing well. Yesterday my youngest had her kindergarten promotion graduation ceremony and I'm a little. I have some feelings about it. I literally feel like I had just dropped her off on her first day of kindergarten and now she's going to first grade.

[A]

That's so exciting.

[B]

I know. And then on Tuesday, I don't know if you've ever done this with your kids because your kids are a little younger than mine, but mine who are 8 and 6, have 6 seen that movie? On Netflix called Yes Day with Jennifer Gardner, where basically for a whole day, parents can't say no to the kids. Like, they have to say yes. So it just, you know, the kids want to play. They do that. And so they've been wanting to do a yes Day for a while. And so we put some parameters, obviously a budget. We're not crazy. But we didn't. Yes, we did a. Yeah, you're up. Nothing permanent. But we did our first yes Day for our kids on Tuesday because they had it off randomly from school. And it was actually a lot of fun. But one of the things that our kids asked was they had. They wanted to do our makeup and basically style us for us to leave the house. And then we went to. We went to the mall and guitar center and played some drums.

[A]

That's fun.

[B]

That's what. That was one of the things they wanted to do. But I think I sent you a picture of what I looked like going through because it wasn't just makeup. They also had face paint, and so they put face paint on us. My 6 year old was adamant that she designed my look.

[A]

So.

[B]

So this was, this was the first look. And thankfully Beecher was like, you know what? Mommy looks a little different than the rest of us because Beecher had convinced them to let them draw like a bee on them. And so Beecher's like, don't you think mommy should look more like us so we all match? And so thankfully, this was the first look. But then I got a redo.

[A]

I'm trying to get it to my computer because I didn't airdrop it over in time. I'm sorry.

[B]

Rude. But eventually, Be sure also did a little B. And then my youngest did a rainbow on the other cheek. And so I didn't have five giant circles all over my face for the.

[A]

Would you say that the yes Day was a success?

[B]

Yes. They loved it. They were talking about how excited it was and like. And the things that they asked for were just like, we want to go to the park in the rain because it was raining and we want mommy and daddy to chase us and pretend to be monsters. And so we did that and then. Yeah. And we played Twister. They wanted to play Twister when we got back home. And. And then we went and saw the Minecraft movie in theaters.

[A]

Was it good?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was good for a kids movie. I mean, it was. It was cute. It was definitely a kids movie, but it was. It was cute. And I. I don't know a ton about Minecraft. So I'm sure if I was like a die hard gamer, I would have got some things that I'm. Yeah, get anyway, but it was, it was a lot of fun.

[A]

Minecraft is one of those things where I feel like I'm officially an adult because I have no context for what it is, what the allure is, why people are into it, why there's a movie. And so it's official. I'm, I'm old now because I'm, I'm not with the trends.

[B]

You are old. I, I did play some Minecraft when I was in college for fun, but I didn't get that. Like I didn't play it for very long, but it was fun the little bit I played.

[A]

Well, I have a, I have a, an earth shattering announcement for people.

[B]

Yes, shatter us.

[A]

It's official. I have officially been diagnosed with adhd. It happened yesterday, okay. I had my first session with a psychiatrist and he literally said to me, I am not kidding you. He goes, you have such textbook adhd, a college med student could have diagnosed you. I'm like, thanks, doc, that's great. And then my, I texted some friends and they're like, wait, did you not know that you were adhd? They were like, dude, this is like no surprise to us. But yeah, it's official. I have an ADHD diagnosis. We're going to try medication. This will be the first time I've ever taken medication for like a, you know, a mental health reason. So, you know, I think that I'm still getting over my own personal stigmas about that, like this scare factor of like, will I be dependent on medication forever, etc. But yeah, it's gotten to a point. I think it's safe to say that I've always known, most likely I have adhd, but I'm not one of those people to claim things that I don't have official diagnoses for. And I got to a point where I was like, you know, my head always feels clogged up. I can't like finish tasks. And you know, this April, being in the content creation world and being on your phone all the time only makes your brain operate in more unhinged ways. And so got to a point where I'm like, there's no way I could be a present dad, a good husband and do content the way I'm doing it sustainably without like getting my brain checked out and seeing what's really going on here. So the doctor also said that he's really impressed with how successful I become given the way my brain operates. So I'm like, well, thank you. I, I will take that as a compliment. So there it is, friends. I'll keep you all posted of, of my journey. But, yeah, that, that was a pretty big piece of news for me in the personal life.

[B]

Yeah, I would say I'm not surprised. And I don't mean that in a, in a bad way. How do you feel? Like, do you feel some kind of, like, do you feel good that you finally have this diagnosis that, like, things make sense or, or are you still like, oh, I don't know, like, how do you feel about it?

[A]

I think deep down I'm like, yeah, I probably have adhd, so it wasn't like a shocker, like, oh, I had no idea. I'm, I'm looking forward to see how I do on medication, you know, that I think will be helpful. I, I, I know I've had it, but seeing it, you know, getting my brain to be quiet maybe, and being able to focus on tasks and get them done, that would be super important. So I'm looking forward to getting that kind of help because, yeah, I'm just looking forward to it. You know, I think even going live, like, for some reason, there's a sense of, like, angst that comes our way of, like, okay, you always have to keep talking and keep the show going. So I'm interested to see how medication will help and how it might change how I approach these things, how I talk, etc. So I'm looking forward to it.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I'm looking forward to it, too.

[A]

You'll be such a better coworker.

[B]

No, no, you really have been great. Well, do, do we want to see where, where Trump is on the golf track?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, this guy's trending down. Bottom line, 122 days in office, 24 days spent golfing, equals 19.67% percentage of presidency.

[B]

So, yeah, I think that's the same amount of days as it was a week ago.

[A]

Yeah, actually. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So that's good news, I guess. You know, I mean, he started off real strong. I think at one point, he top 6% of his presidency was spent golfing, but he's down 6 percentage points, so. Look at that, look at that, look at that.

[B]

Wow. Okay. Okay, Donald, good job.

[A]

It's so great. It's so great.

[B]

Speaking of a good job, the Nottaway Plantation burned down last week. I guess, depending on who you are, this may or may not be good news, but who would it be bad.

[A]

News for do you think.

[B]

White people that got married here? I did see a few white women who were like, this was where we got married. Now I'll never be able to show my children the place where their love was born.

[A]

Is that. Is that how they sound? April?

[B]

I never knew that's how they sounded in my head, so. But I have to tell you, there is a conspiracy around this fire that I am absolutely obsessed with.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

So you have to go with me for a second.

[A]

I will follow you. I'm so curious.

[B]

Okay. Have you heard of the doll Annabelle?

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Maybe. Okay, this is the guy who doesn't.

[A]

Know who Timothy Charlemagne is. Okay? I have adhd, so you can't get mad at me anymore.

[B]

Ah, dang. Okay, so have you seen the movie the Conjuring?

[A]

No, I don't do horror movies, but I'll look it up.

[B]

You don't do any horror movies?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, well, she's not a major role in the Conjuring. She's mentioned in the Conjuring, like, at the end, there's a doll, Annabelle, who is historically known to be demonically possessed.

[A]

Wait, is it this one? This thing?

[B]

So that is the doll from the movie. The real doll is the little Raggedy Ann that is in that little glass cage. See the. See the box?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This one.

[A]

This one?

[B]

Yes. I don't know what you're pointing at. Yeah, but there's a clearer picture if you. Hold on. Go back.

[A]

Sorry, sorry. This is live, friends. It's live.

[B]

Right there. That. That one. That is the real Annabelle doll. So she, in 1970, was given to a nurse, and basically there. There were reports, according to this woman who had this Raggedy Ann doll, that the doll kind of moved on its own. She would leave the doll one place, she would come back, and the doll was somewhere else. Now, this is all legend at this point.

[A]

Is this kind of like a real weird elf, elf on the shelf kind of vibe? But, like, in the horror genre, you know, it moves all the time and.

[B]

Yes, but. But true. Like, these are based on real events.

[A]

Okay, got it, got it.

[B]

Like, people claim that this doll is actually possessed. And so Ed and Lorraine Warren. I don't know if you are familiar with them. I'm assuming you are not correct. Are two real people who kind of live in this paranormal world. They get caught there. So the Conjuring movie is based on Ed and Lorraine Warren casting out demons in this haunted house.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Based on true events. You know, whether you believe in them or not. Like, people claim that these things actually happened. So Annabelle is a doll that they came in contact with. They tried to do an exorcism on this doll, and I don't think it worked. So. And this is, you know, take this all with a grain of salt. This is very much hearsay.

[A]

Yeah, this is lore, but this is Laura.

[B]

But people genuinely believe that this doll's possessed, Right? So she's been locked away in this box and literally the, the warrens were like, never move this doll. Like, she's been associated with a couple near death experiences. Someone went and looked at her in the cage, mocked her, and, and Ed was like, don't. Don't mock her. Like, the demons are real. And he, like, made fun of it and he's like, well, be careful. And then he almost died in a car crash on the way home. So it's like little things like that. Right? Okay. So for whatever reason, Annabelle right now is currently going on a Devil's on the Run national tour. Okay.

[A]

Okay, got it.

[B]

This is, this is gonna connect. I, I, she was in New Orleans the week that the Not Away plantation burned down. Let me, let me take this a step further for this to really make sense. If you are, like, on TikTok, mainly, it spread a little beyond Tick Tock, but TikTok is mainly where it started. There is a, there is a black woman on Tik Tok who a week ago, maybe two weeks ago, like a week and a half ago, declared that redheads are black people. Okay. And so it became this kind of joke, like, obviously, I'm a redhead. I know I'm not a black person, but there was, there was like, real solidarity going on between gingers and black people on Tick Tock. And we were, it was a very wholesome, just fun thing. Yeah, it was a fun thing, right? And Annabelle is a Raggedy Ann doll with red hair. And so a lot of people were like, Annabelle heard this, and she was like, okay, this is, this is for my, my new community of friends and burnt down the plantation in solidarity.

[A]

Wow. Wow. That's a real story.

[B]

That's, that is what the, the people are saying. It's obviously conspiracy, but I love it. I think it's a fun. I don't know, but, but Annabelle is on a tour, so, so she's still going around. Let's see, let's see what other chaos she could do. You know, I've seen some people that, you know, Annabelle should go visit, maybe the Oval Office, maybe Mar a Lago. Just see what Annabelle's got up her sleeve. I don't know.

[A]

Just don't kill anyone, Annabelle. We don't want anyone dying.

[B]

Just the buildings. And to be to, to her credit, the plantation burns and nobody died.

[A]

That's true. That's 100.

[B]

Nobody died.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah. This has been a very interesting story to watch and some of the memes have come out of it have been absolutely phenomenal. So a couple things about, I think this, this situation that is important. So this plantation, it's in Nottaway, called the Nottoway Plantation. It was a sugar plantation operated and constructed by a slave, by slave laborer on behalf of John hampton Randolph in 1859. The 165 room home became a museum in the 1980s, opening its door to visitors from around the world. Okay, so this thing. And also they never. So, you know, a lot of plantations, what they'll do is like they will acknowledge how they were built and what they were built on and really promote the idea, as we all should, that slavery was a horrible evil in the world and should never happen again. This plantation was not one of those plantations. There's even. And I. The reason why we're not going to share this video is that we can't confirm it, but there is a video going around of what looks like to be a tour guide at this plantation, essentially saying that slaves were well taken care of. But we couldn't confirm if it's from this plantation or for something else. But there's that video is circulating and you know, the reality is in this situation, the enslaved people built the structure. By 1859. It's 64 rooms, 50,000 square feet. So it's huge. Now this is where it gets, I think, interesting and people kind of show their hand here. So plantation owner William Dies said the following. He said, I take this position. We are non racist people. I am a lawyer and my wife is a judge. We believe in equal opportunity, rights for everyone, total equality and fairness. My wife and I had nothing to do with slavery, but we recognize the wrongness of it now. Already I'm like, red flag. I've heard that line before. And again, this plantation does not acknowledge slavery at all on their, on their property. There's no acknowledgment of it. And now, you know, you can argue these people are profiting off of what slaves built for their own personal gain. He goes on to say, we are trying to make this a better place. We don't have any interest in left wing radical stuff. We need to move forward on a positive note here and we are not going to dwell on past racial Injustice. So look, am I glad that no one was. Was harmed or died? Absolutely. Am I sad that that one of the biggest plantations in existence burned down to the ground? Absolutely not. If I was a prophetic style charismatic Christian, do I think maybe God's judgment is that, you know, is. Is working here? Absolutely. Look at God.

[B]

Look at God. Or look at Annabelle, the demon possessed doll.

[A]

I mean, if this is what Satan did, then sign me up. I'm sorry. Like, this is. If Satan's responsible for burning down a plantation, I. I got to rethink a lot of theology.

[B]

Oh my gosh. Someone's going to clip that out. Where you're like, satan did this. Sign me up. Like, Tim is a Satanist.

[A]

That progressive, the slippery slope progressive Christianity, you know, it leads down a path to Satanism. But no, I mean, you know, for real, I, you know, I'm glad that this happened. It has to. Like, why is this. This stuff shouldn't be a thing in America. Like, my God, it's, it's wild to me. But yeah, yeah, that's the story with that.

[B]

Like the. Just the whole conversation that was happening back in 2020 when people started getting rid of Confederate statues and people like, no, it's heritage, not hate. And. But, but a lot of those Confederate statues were erected with the conf. The Daughters of the Confederacy that were promoting the Lost Cause theory, which is a very whitewashed version of history that were saying, you know, we'll. Enslaved people were treated well and they were good people, and it was just a different time. And, you know, all. All this. This stuff. And I do think there is a world in which a plantation like that could stay alive because there are plantations still up that are used in a historical context. They're almost turned into kind of like museums that show the horrors of slavery. And I do think it is important to not erase that history, of course, if it is contextualized in its proper historical place. But when you're looking at a place that is calling itself a resort, like Nottaway was and is being. In romanticizing it, like quite literally, people get married there.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That. That I, that's weird that, that I have a problem with because then you're. You're taking it out of its context, which is not a context of love and romance. It is a context of white people owning black people.

[A]

A hundred percent. Yes. I mean, you think about, you know, there's a reason why people today can go visit concentration camps, right? Because they are stark reminders of the absolute evil that humans can commit towards other people. So I'm not saying that we should burn down every single thing that has a. A dark history to it, but it should be repurposed for education, not for more white people to make more money and for people to get. I mean, getting married on a plantation like this. Right, right. Knowing the history, I just, I don't understand that. You know, like, just think about, about what you're participating in. You can get married anywhere else in America. Why choose here? But again, this is my, My own personal thoughts on this. But I'm glad that it burnt down. I mean, and maybe with the, maybe with the insurance money, they'll rebuild it and use it for something to better the community or to bring awareness to the dark history that the US Is complicit in. And I think, by the way, last thing I'll say, one of the, the telltale signs of, like, this make America great again mythology is that it wants to erase history. Right? It wants to erase the reality of what happened. And we can't let that, you know, we have to stop that from being a reality. So when we hear people talk about, you know, Trump wants to make sure that public schools teach real American history. It's all code to minimize stuff like this. So.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And if you want to have fun, there are a lot of great memes that have come out. So many not away, plantation burning down. So.

[A]

And, And I'm not sure if you saw April, but a Confederate museum had a tree fall on it a couple days ago. Did you see that?

[B]

Was Annabelle in the same town?

[A]

No, but, like, look, like, like, I don't, I don't know if she was, but like, this meme says look at God. I mean, I'm just saying, like, maybe God's on the warpath a little bit here. Saying no more.

[B]

Yeah, listen, I'm not mad about it.

[A]

Me either.

[B]

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Donald Trump angered.

[B]

Yeah, period. So this is going to be a longer conversation because this is going to connect to what's going on in Gaza, which is actually, like, genuinely terrible. Like, I don't think there's an English word that can describe the horrors that are happening in Gaza right now. Genocide.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes, exactly. Genocide. So Donald Trump, though, is still pushing this narrative that there is a white genocide happening in South Africa while what's happening in Palestine is still going on, like Israel still bombing children and starving them and not allowing humanitarian aid in. So that is in the backdrop of this. But Donald Trump had a meeting with the South African president this week in at the White House, and I think it was at the White House and was pushing to the president this white genocide idea.

[A]

Yeah, we'll play that clip. Yeah, let's play this clip. It's about a minute, 18 seconds long, and then we'll get into all of it. What does it take from you for you to be convinced that there's no white genocide in South Africa? Well, I can answer that for president.

[B]

Will respond to you.

[A]

Thank you, Mr. President. It will take President Trump listening to the voices of South Africans, some of whom are his good friends, like those who are here. When we have talks between us on the quiet, around a quiet table, it.

[B]

Will take President Trump to listen to them.

[A]

I'm not going to be repeating what I've been saying. I would say if there was Africana farmer genocide, I can bet you these three gentlemen would not be here, including my Minister of Agriculture. He would not be with me. So it'll take him, President Trump listening to their stories, to their perspective. That is the answer to your question. But Mr. President, I must say we have, no, no, wait.

[B]

We have thousands of stories talking about.

[A]

It, thousands of stories, documentaries, we have news stories and that, So I mean Trump again didn't even listen and was just like, actually we have thousands of stories. I, I just, before we go forward, I want to just give some data here. This is according to cnn because there is this narrative in right wing spaces which is so prone to conspiratorial nonsense that is really pushing this lie that there's a white genocide. I mean think about that word genocide, that there's a white genocide happening in South Africa. So here's just some data. The most recent South African official data shows that the country had 19,696 murders from April 2024 through December 2024. And, and that the victims in just 36 of these, so about 0.2% was linked to farmers or to farms or smaller agricultural holdings. Further, only seven of the 36 victims were farmers. And South Africa has black farmers too. The official data is not broken down by race. The other 29 victims included farm employees who tend to be black. So literally this is a made up point to reinforce white supremacy. And I, that there's no other way to say that, you know, the fact that, that, that, that the Trump administration and so many right wing folks are watching Israel literally starve children in Gaza. I mean they've obliterated the whole strip and they refuse to call that a genocide. But then we'll make up literal lies about a white genocide in South Africa and use that lie to, to bring over so called white or South African, South African refugees to America in the name of protecting them while letting children starve to death as Israel bombs hospitals and refuses to allow any kind of aid to enter the strip. It is, it's, it's wild to watch it happen in real time. And again, this is the sitting President of the United States fighting the President of South Africa to his face saying actually we have thousands of reports. No, you don't, you liar. You are a liar.

[B]

And don't forget too, he's fighting this hard for a white genocide that no reputable source is ever agrees with. All the facts say that that's not what is happening. There is violence in South Africa, but that does not equate a white genocide because the violence as, as you said, the data is not showing that it's, you know, going towards white people. But remember Netanyahu, who is actually starving and bombing innocent Palestinian people. Trump did not keep this energy for that. And there is actual data to show thousands and thousands and thousands of people that have already died and will continue to unless humanitarian aid gets in there and unless we have an actual ceasefire. Donald Trump did not keep that energy for him. In fact, he posted an AI video of himself with Netanyahu in this, like making. Turning Palestine into some kind of wannabe Mar A Lago resort. There's literally AI video of him and Netanyahu like, sipping, I don't know, pina coladas or something like it is. So the contrast is so vast and obvious of what is actually happening, which is just further enforcing white supremacy. And there's a certain type of refugee that Trump is okay with, but then ignoring an actual genocide.

[A]

Well, I mean, I think this is the reason why truth telling is so important, right? Because it's easy for us to look back in history and go, wow, how could people allow slavery to exist? How could, how could colonization happen? Right? How could all this violence happen? How could people be so racist? But when we, when it happens in the moment, we justify it, right? Well, it's not what you think. No, there is some truth to this. It's an exaggeration. That's how these things happen in history. Then we people look back with moral clarity and go, what were we thinking? Right now we're watching a literal genocide being funded by the American taxpayers happen in Gaza, right? It's, there's videos, Instagram is full of videos that I never want to see again of dead children and their parents holding them. Right? We know from tons of reports, overwhelming consensus that what's happening there is a genocide. We're going to play. Even Piers Morgan, the right wing moderate, finally concedes that it's genocide. At the same time, the US's public policy is that that's fine, but what's happening in South Africa, which is nothing to do with a white genocide, is actually so egregious that Trump had to roll out the red carpet for those refugees to make it over to the US this is how Empire works. This is how white supremacy works. This is racism on display. This is colonization on display. I just want you all to see how this can happen because we're watching it happen in real time and we're going to look back in 15, 20 years and go, what were we doing? Well, this is how it happens.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Was there more to that clip with Trump?

[A]

That was it.

[B]

Okay, let's just go ahead and play that Pierce Morgan clip because Piers Morgan is not super progressive.

[A]

No.

[B]

In a lot of, in a lot of areas. He, he's, he can be a little problematic. But when you lose someone like Pierce Morgan, I think it just shows the reality of the situation.

[A]

Yeah, this is a great clip. It's about, listen, friends, this is about almost a three minute clip. I'm gonna play the whole thing and just let it roll because I think that here really explains the situation with such moral clarity and with such truth telling that I don't think it needs us to pause at all. So we're going to kind of sit back and watch it with you and then we'll give our thoughts. So here's Piers Morgan admitting finally that, yeah, what's happening in Gaza is a genocide. Get into this. Mehdi. Welcome back to Uncensored. Listen, you and I have talked about this war in Gaza for ever since it started this phase of the 75 year conflict. And I have resisted going as far as you have done in your criticism of the Israeli government. I resist no more. I think we've reached common ground about what we view is happening and has been happening through this period of this blockade, which frankly is just starvation of the people there, including so many innocent young women and children. And I think that the incessant bombing and killing and we don't know how many civilians have been killed, but it is on a daily basis. It looks like hundreds of people every day with no apparent attempt, it seems to me, to have any real plan for how this ends or what happens when it ends, other than if you look at what Smodridge has been saying, probably the most right wing member of a very right wing government, he is talking in a genocidal language about kicking all the Palestinians out. So I think you and I have reached a place in the last few weeks where we are in agreement. But my question for you, Mehdi, is how does this end?

[B]

I don't know the answer to that question, Piers, and I'm glad we're in agreement. I wish we weren't, actually. I wish I had been wrong and you were right. I wish that a year ago when I said on your show, you said, well, if it's not about the hostages, what's it about? And I said, it's about depopulating Gaza. It's about conquering Gaza. I wish I'd been wrong. But as you said, Bazal El Smotrich, the finance minister in the Israeli government, said this week, we are there to conquer, cleanse and remain. Those are his words. We are disassembling Gaza, he said, we are leaving it as piles of rubble. He says, we're doing something that no one's done in the world before. He bragged out loud. And he said, yes, the Gazans will have to leave. So all of those things are stuff some of us were saying last year. I wish we hadn't been vindicated in this horrific way. The killing is ongoing, the starvation is ongoing. And look, I do hope that a dam is bursting. You mentioned the genocide word. Shmuel Lederman, who is an Israeli researcher of genocide, spent much of 2024 saying, it's not a genocide, it's not a genocide. He was interviewed by a Dutch newspaper last week.

[A]

He said, I've changed my position.

[B]

It is a genocide. He said, in my field, there's a consensus among genocide scholars that it's a genocide. In fact, that Dutch newspaper interviewed seven leading scholars of genocide. Every single one said, we think what's happening in Gaza is a genocide. In fact, this week, PI's you have an Israeli former general Yair Golan saying, a sane country does not attack civilians, does not kill babies as a hobby, and does not expel civilian populations. That is Yair Golan, the former deputy chief of the Israeli military, prominent Israeli politics. He was a hero on October 7, fought Hamas himself on October 7.

[A]

This is what he said this week. There you go. It's wild. I mean, they. When all this first happened. Well, when October 7th first happened, I was like, okay, obviously, I don't know, I don't understand all the context and nuance of how we got to this point. And so we did a four part series on the New Evangelicals podcast, had four different people come in, including a Jewish woman. We had a Christian Palestinian come in and then my friend Kevin Carnahan. And like, they just kind of gave an overview, like kind of where we started and how we got here. And of course, in April, this goes without saying, we said so many times what hamas did on October 7 was bad and wrong, period. There's never excuse to kill people, okay? Especially civilians. And children, all that kind of stuff. Of course, the response by Israel, though, has been so wildly disproportionate that, that it's evident, and we knew this a year ago, that it's not just about defending themselves or taking even an eye for an eye. It is about using that situation as justification for invading and taking over and driving Palestinians out. And now we're at the point where even Piers Morgan and many other conservatives, you know, acknowledge that, yes, what's been going on there has been a genocide. And it is discouraging, to say the least, that again, white Christians, white evangelicals in particular, think that because of their theological perspectives and persuasions, that somehow it's justifiable or that it's all on Hamas. This is all Hamas's fault. That's kind of the response to this, right? No, it's not. It's not Hamas dropping those bombs on children. It's not Hamas that are sniping children. Gaza is the largest, has the largest population of child amputees out of anywhere in the world right now. And all you gotta do is watch the videos to see it. It is heartbreaking stuff. And, you know, I'm encouraged to see peers finally acknowledge this. But yeah, this has been going on for some time now, and there's no end in sight because this empire that we live in is funding Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people for land conquer or for the conquering of land. This is what they want to happen.

[B]

And it should not be a controversial statement to say that children should be able to live regardless of who you are. You know, one thing that's happening to Ms. Rachel, who is a very popular YouTuber for children.

[A]

I love Ms. Rachel. She's the best.

[B]

Yeah, she, she had made a post where she was basically just advocating for the children of Gaza and that was it. She didn't really say anything political.

[A]

She, she literally said, she said this. It's not a crime to say the children of Gaza should have food and medical care. It's a crime to keep it from them. Yes, yes. Like, since when is it, is it, is it not a crime to withhold aid to children? Two children.

[B]

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. And so she is now getting a lot of hate from the right, Fox News especially. And, and right wing news outlets are just going after her, calling anti Semitic. And I do see a lot of people, a lot of people on the right are using anti Semitism as a defense of Israel of saying like, you can't go after Israel. And, and if you do, you're anti Semitic. But it is an important distinction that the Israeli government does not represent all of Judaism. It does not represent the, a lot of the Jews like and there are a lot of Jewish people that are actively calling out the Israeli.

[A]

So many government.

[B]

And at the same time anti Semitism is a problem and we're seeing a rise of anti Semitism actually on the right of, of all things. Like when you see people on, on the right and Christian nationalists that, that say Christ is King, that is, that is often a dog whistle for anti Semitism. And we just saw last night two Israeli ambassadors were shot dead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this one was from someone who did shout Free Palestine when he was being arrested. And that is awful. Like that does not help Gaza. That does not help Palestinians at all.

[A]

Inexcusable, wrong, terrible, bad. You brought the justice. All the things like no one here on this show or behind the scenes of this organization is ever going to celebrate someone killing someone else. Especially in this kind of context. It's inexcusable.

[B]

Right. And especially people that, that aren't, they're representing the Israeli government. But not, it just does not help the cause. And if anything it gives ammunition to the Israeli government to say see, look at this anti Semitism. It, it, it, it fuels the, the narrative that that is absolutely incorrect, that all Palestinians hate Jewish people, that it is anti Semitic. Like that is completely unhelpful. It does not actually help any child in Gaza.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I recommend people going back on the new Evangelicals podcast, look around the October 7th marker of 2023 when we started this four part series. We do one on Christian Zionism and there is such a distinction between antisemitism and not supporting Zionism. They are different things. And this is why many people in the Jewish community absolutely abhor what Israel is doing and has been doing to the Palestinian people. This is not just a Jewish versus non Jew thing. This is a Zion Zionism versus anti Zionism perspective. And you're right, April. I think a lot of people, they've kind of weaponized anti Semitism as a catch all for you can't criticize the government of Israel. But no, you absolutely can. You know, as, as you can with any government. If you're, if you're killing children, if you're sniping children, if you're dropping 2,000 pound bombs on civilian populations, destroying health care, health care, healthcare, colleges, universities, you're guys. People don't understand that Israel since 2007 I believe has had a complete blockade and has controlled all the Resources going in and out of Gaza. They called it an indefinite blockade. My friend Daniel Bonanora, who's a Christian Palestinian who grew up in Bethlehem in that area, says it's not even a prison, it's an open air concentration camp. They can control the power, they can control the supplies, food, water, etc. That this is not like you have two nation states at war. One has been under the thumb of the Israeli government for quite some time. And by the way, it goes way before October 7th. There's a huge complicated history here. I argue in my podcast blame the British. You can blame imperialism and the, and the thought of World War I and all these different things, but the reality is this, and I just say this and then I'll be move on. I would argue that white evangelicals, or I should say white evangelicalism and the theology that it has around Israel and the end of the world is inherently anti Semitic. These people believe that most Jewish people in Israel are going to die and probably go to hell and that a small remnant will be saved. And they're trying to usher in the end of the world, some of them, to make this reality happen. And I think that, that anyone who knows their history, including Christians, I'm sorry, including Israelis, know that, but are willing to utilize that theology as long as they get the support that they need. But make no mistake, many Christian Zionists do believe that many Jewish people are going to die at the end of the world and that they will essentially burn in hell. So it is, it's absolutely wild to see. And yes, look, I think that anti Semitism can be found anywhere. You can find it in far left spaces for sure. But it's the right wing media world that is currently pushing blood libel conspiracies that is trying to make what happened in Nazi Germany not as bad as we thought. Maybe Churchill was the bad guy. That's not coming out of some left wing media ecosystem. That's coming out of your Candace Owens of the world, your right wing Nick Fuentes of the world. Like it is much more prevalent and I would argue more influential in those spaces than it is in whatever far left spaces people are talking about.

[B]

Right. But the right is currently hiding behind. We're against anti Semitism because they're being pro Israel. But you're absolutely right. I mean, I was taught about the end times that like we were pro Israel not because we were actually pro Israel, but because we were pro biblical prophecy and you needed Israel to exist and for Jerusalem to be the capital and like all these things in order for Jesus to come back. And I was taught that everybody would die, not just including Jewish people, except for 144,000. I was taught that the 144,000 that are saved in the biblical end times were Jewish people, which means only 144,000 of Israel, of Israelites, of Jewish people would actually go to heaven and everybody else would die and go to hell.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And so even, even the pro Israel stance, when you get into the theology of what they actually believe, is not actually pro Israel. It's pro evangelicalism, it's pro Jesus coming back. It's pro we get to go to heaven and that's all we want.

[A]

At the end of the day, bad theology truly kills. There's just no way around it, you know, so obviously we'll keep people apprised and, and you know, we, we, yeah, it's, it's. In some ways the situation is so complicated. In other ways it's so simple. Like we're bombing children and we're paying for it. And by the way, this happened under the Biden administration as well. Okay. There's no way I'm giving that man and his administration to pass. We can, we condemn and critiqued him heavily for funding the ongoing genocide of the Palestinians. And it's just unacceptable, especially as Jesus people, right? This is, this is antichrist. It only creates more hell on earth. The fact that there are children right now on this planet suffering for no reason, right? Because of people, because people's power hungry lust for land and because of their shitty theology. Like, it is heartbreaking to see this happen. It's heartbreaking. And it's even worse when you know you can't do anything to stop it. You feel so powerless, you know, so I'm with you.

[B]

And I do think it's important for us to, to try to keep our humanity. You know, I don't want to be numb to what's happening and I don't want to get desensitized, which I know it's so easy to just do that because it is so traumatic. But we have to, like, we, as much as we care for the human, like humans in Gaza, like, not just the children too, the adults. The adults also deserve to have water and food and to not be, be bombed. Right? And also we should be totally against the two Israeli ambassadors that were just shot in cold blood, like 100%. Also, like human, as humans, we should care and not celebrate that. Like, we should care that, that people, regardless of who they are, are human beings and deserve dignity. And we should not be celebrating their demise when they are innocent. You know, this is, this is why.

[A]

We don't even joke around, you know, trying to, you know, have God kill Trump or something. You know, like, it's not even funny to us because, like, we don't. We. We want the human flourishing for all people. And the fact that, again, there are people on the earth right now who just lost family members in a shooting with someone yelling Free Palestine is tragic. It's absolutely tragic. And we can look, I think, and this is a longer conversation, April, we can have maybe a different time, but just to kind of throw this out there to the audience, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. And I feel like even in more progressive Christian spaces, there's still sometimes this fundamentalism and this binary thinking of, like, you're either on this side or that side. And while that is the case in some, in, in some situations, for sure, absolutely. Things also can be complicated and we can mourn the death and the murder of these two Israeli folks from the embassy ambassadors, and we can also say that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is genocide, needs to be stopped. Yes, both things are true at the same time. And we have to get more comfortable with the reality that things are complicated and they're not always as black and white as we want them to be, especially how we got here. You know, the history of Israel, Palestine, like, you're not going to condense a hundred plus years of that history, let alone, you know, the history before it in one podcast episode. You're just not right.

[B]

Yeah, no, that's true. Another. There's another case that is also tragic for different reasons. There was a woman in Georgia. Is a woman in Georgia named Adriana Smith?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She is a 30 year old nurse and mother. And when she was nine weeks pregnant, which would have been about three months ago, she was nine weeks pregnant. Doctors declared her brain dead after she suffered from a medical emergency. But because of the Georgia abortion laws, they, the, the state, the, the hospital is keeping her alive to save the baby. So she's now 22 weeks into the pregnancy. And I think they said they, they would keep her alive like they are, they are artificially keeping her alive. She's brain dead. Keeping her, her body alive to save the baby. I think, I don't know. At 28 weeks, I think, is when the, the baby is first viable. So the problem is, is that the family is not getting. The family of Adriana Smith is not getting a choice in this matter.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

And they've said too, let's see if I can. I have the. So Smith's mother, April Newkirk, said, my grandson, and this is according to doctors, so the baby, my grandson may be blind, may not be able to walk. We don't know if he'll live once she has him. And I'm not saying we would have chose to terminate her pregnancy. What I'm saying is we should have had a choice.

[A]

Yes, yes, absolutely. Now the, the, there's a lawmaker who says that the abortion law wouldn't, wouldn't apply to the situation, but obviously hospital lawyers disagree. I mean, you know, hospitals are very careful with what they can and can't do. They have a team of lawyers on standby. And the fact that the abortion law was written in such a way where there wasn't clarity on situations like this, this is why we're against these blanket abortion bans, because they don't leave room for real life situations. This goes back to the binary thinking, right? When you think that every abortion is murder, that you're murdering children every time someone has an abortion and you go, no abortions everywhere. This is the reality, right? Yes, you're right. The, According to doctors, there's fluid in this, in this, in the fetus's brain. At this point, they're not sure if he'll survive or have any kind of quality of life. And Newkirk, all they're arguing for is it should have been their choice, not the states. And also, might I add, they have to front all the medical costs for this. I don't think the government's going to be like, oh, don't worry, I know that. We know that we're forcing you to do this and we'll cover all the costs. No, our for profit healthcare system will make sure that they get every dime out of the situation because that's their main incentive. It's a complete nightmare. Complete nightmare.

[B]

Right? And, and, and she was nine weeks pregnant when this first, like when she was first declared brain dead. And nine weeks is not far along at all. Like a, a fetus at nine weeks doesn't, does not even look like a baby. It's, it's no. So, so, so, so early. And here's, and here's the thing. I don't know, I don't know where I, where I, what I would be, where I would be morally, you know, like if I, if I had a loved one who was brain dead but was pregnant. Like, I, I think there is a piece of me that would want to try to Save that baby. But I also think it should be the choice of the family and not the state.

[A]

Yep, yep. Look, I, I, we've talked about this again many times on the podcast before, and I, I don't want to ever sound callous. I understand that these are big questions that we have to reckon with as, as, as a species. These are, there are ethical questions that we have to ask ourselves. You know, but the reason why we use the term fetus and not child is because a fetus and a child are different things. Right. It's, it's like, it's, it's a different thing entirely. And when you're talking about eight weeks, nine weeks, you know, it's such a different world than what the narrative is from these pro lifers of that's a child. No, it is not. It has potential to be one, potentially. Right. But it is not a child at night. It is a fe. And so I agree, like, for these, especially for these kinds of decisions, the family should be the ones to make that call. Right. This is actually was, this was the story of how I went from a pro life to pro choice position. When Sarah first got pregnant and the doctors going through with us about, about all the things that they test for and look for that could become real serious if not lethal to, to the fetus. They, they said that they tested for, I forgot what it was and that if it came back positive, there was 100% chance that, that, that when the baby was born, it would not survive. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And they go, well, yeah, so if this diagnosis comes back this way, you have to make a decision because we live in New Jersey, so it's a pro choice state. And that was the first moment where I went, oh, I get it now. I get it. Because you're right. I would want that decision to be between me, my partner, and my healthcare provider, not the state making the decision for me. That's why it's called pro choice, not pro abortion. Right. Because the position is not that you have to get an abortion. The position is, we know that we don't understand your medical circumstances or your health or things that are going on in your life the way that you and your healthcare provider do. So that decision should be up to you, not up to the state. That's all it's saying.

[B]

Right. So the story says that they are planning to keep her alive until early August when they will do a C section. And I do. So I, she's 22 weeks now. Early August is about an 11 weeks. So that would put her around 31, 32, 33 weeks maybe. I don't know. I can't do the math. But yeah. So it's just very, it's just very, very sad. And I really do hope after all of this that the baby is healthy.

[A]

Oh, 100%. Yes.

[B]

And can and can live. You know, that would be a good, that would be a positive out of this. But, but you were right. Like what you said earlier, the attorney general was like, oh, there's nothing in this act that would keep you, that would keep you, that would keep a hospital keeping her on life support. But the hot. But now you have medical professionals and doctors that are scared to get criminal, like legally in trouble.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

For giving health care to women. So they are choosing the, the well being of the fetus over the well being of the woman.

[A]

Yep, yep. 100%. 100%.

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Huge news.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Geez.

[B]

Yeah. So earlier this week they came out that Joe Biden has his prostate. Yeah.

[A]

Aggressive form.

[B]

Late, very late stage. And Donald Trump initially posted what looked to be a. A presidential response.

[A]

Yeah. You want to read it?

[B]

Yeah. On May 18, 2025. And. And. And this might be the most shocking thing he's ever said. Said. Melania and I are saddened to hear about Joe Biden's recent medical diagnosis. We extend our warmest and best wishes to Jill and the family and we wish Joe a fast and successful recovery.

[A]

I have something to say.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. No way in hell that man wrote this post. Ain't no way. I would bet my meager life savings on the reality that there's no way he wrote this. First off, it's. There's nothing about all caps. It's a, it's, it's grammatically correct. There is punctuation by. Absolutely. Someone was like, Trump, give me your phone. Posted, done. There's no way he wrote that.

[B]

No way. Yeah, no, yeah, no, I completely agree with you. There was another post that he. So I thought this one was interesting. Two days later. So on May 20, he tweeted out, this one does have all caps.

[A]

He.

[B]

He actually is saying that Joe Biden, keep in mind, Donald Trump in the, in the primary, in the, in the election season, right. Leading up to the election, was talking about how Joe Biden was kind of this like evil mastermind, right? Like totally demonizing Joe Biden, but then also would say things like sleepy Joe and he had dementia, you know, like, so there was never a.

[A]

And so weak at the same time, you know?

[B]

Right, right. It's like, you know, pick a struggle. So on May 20, I think I sent you the link. If you want to pull it up here, I'll send it again because I think this is interesting how Donald Trump tweeted, Joe Biden was not for open borders. He never talked about open borders where criminals of all kinds, shapes and sizes can flow into our country at will, which. Sidebar. That's true. There's not a single politician that is pro open borders. That's just a right wing talking point. But anyway. But he's saying Joe Biden was not. And then he says it wasn't his idea to open the border. Okay, I'm just going to read this because I could. I could.

[A]

Yeah, just. I'm so confused.

[B]

I'm just going to read. Wasn't Joe Biden's idea to open the border and almost destroy our country and cost us hundreds of billions of dollars to get criminals out of our country and go through the process we are going through now. It was the people that knew he was cognitively impaired and that took over the auto pin. They stole the presidency of the United States and put us in great danger. This is treason. All caps at the highest level. They did it to destroy our members. No, they did it to destroy our country. The Joe Biden that everybody knew would never allow drug dealers, gang members and the mentally insane to come into our country totally unchecked and unvetted. All anyone has to do is look up his record. Something very severe should happen to these treasonous thugs that wanted to destroy our country but couldn't because I came along. Make America great again in all caps.

[A]

That is such a long rant.

[B]

It is so wild to me, though. That suddenly he's like, it was never Joe Biden, y' all. Joe Biden was good the whole time.

[A]

You mean crooked. You mean crooked Joe? Crooked Joe. Certainly not crooked. You know. Yeah. Ok, so, so, so Trump writes that. Or, sorry, some PR team writes that, that, that, that post on Truth Social. And you know, Trump's son, never to be outdone, said what, what Trump was probably thinking out loud. So he tweeted this, like right after this happens, right? So, so this news comes out that former President Joe Biden has this intense, I think a stage four cancer diagnosis. Donald Trump Jr. And all of his brilliance says, what I want to know is how did Dr. Jill Biden miss stage five metastic cancer? Or is this yet another cover up? Question mark, question mark, question mark? Now, April, I have something to say here. And it's not dehumanizing because it's true. This is a true thing. Donald Trump Jr. Is stupid. He is a stupid man. And I mean that by the textbook definition of the word stupid, which I looked up and will read to you. So I don't get someone in the comments being like, oh, my God, you're dehumanizing. Stupid means to either have or you are showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense. Dr. Jill Biden has her PhD in education. She's not a medical doctor. You stupid man. You are stupid and you're also cruel. You are stupid and cruel. What a terrible combination for you. The fact that this man tweeted this, thinking this is some kind of Twitter own owning the libs when it shows that he is truly, truly, truly stupid blows my mind.

[B]

Yeah, but I know, but we do have to think their dad made Trump University, right? That, that was like.

[A]

Well, wait, not only that, this is what he said about, about Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis. Did you see this clip that I pulled? Let's play. This is Trump Jr's dad. So maybe it, maybe it makes sense. Here we go.

[B]

You want to respond to President Biden being diagnosed with cancer? Are you going to call your processor?

[A]

I think it's very sad, actually. I'm surprised that it wasn't, you know, the public wasn't notified a long time ago because to get to stage nine, that's a long time. Stage nine. He says that he has stage nine, bro. I'm not even. I'm not. I am homeschooled with some college. Four stages. Four stages, not nine. Let's keep it going. I just had my physical. You saw that. You saw the results of that particular test. I Think that test is standard to pretty much anybody getting a physical, good physical, and it takes a long time to get to that situation. Now I think, you know, to get to a stage nine. I think that if you take a look, it's the same doctor that said that Joe was cognitively fine, there was nothing wrong with him. Okay, so this is the Trump that, that we all know. Right. And don't love at all. He obviously is taking shots at Biden's mental health and you know how much more healthy he is than Biden, all while saying it's stage nine. Stage nine cancer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And cancers typically have four stages, right? Stage four is where you go now. Not, not to be the person defending Donald Trump, but it is possible that his, his cancer diagnosis had a Gleason score or the. Okay. Had a gleason score of 9, which I don't fully understand what a Gleason score is, but it's possible that Trump heard that, confused it with the cancer stages and which, you know, probably also. Do you remember someone in the. Oliver in the comments brought this up. Do you remember when? I think it was during Trump's first term. Time is wild right now. But he was also bragging about the cognitive medical test that he took and was saying how he was like, you know, they ask you to name things and I could name it person, woman, man, camera, tv. And he just starts listing things as, like, to like, impress people. It was, it was like one of my favorite clips was like, this, this man. What is he doing? Like, this is not impressive, but he brags about the most basic things to show that he's like, smart. Do you remember that clip?

[A]

I vaguely, but I'm just thinking about him being like, look, guys, I'm so. I. Pacifying colors, look. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[B]

That was basically what he did. But I will say so to, to, to Trump's argument and a lot of MAGA people right now who are arguing, how could, how did they not announce this to the people? Like, there should have been signs, like, way earlier. I just want to say, like, it is very possible to go from zero to stage four without knowing it. Like my dad, when he was diagnosed with stage four non smokers lung cancer, he died four months later. And it was a shock to us that he even had stage four. Like there were signs, but we didn't know. We didn't recognize the signs for what they were. And it had. And the signs really only started like a couple months before he actually got diagnosed. So it is, it is actually very Possible to not know you have that aggressive of a cancer until you get diagnosed with such a late stage. Like, that happens all the time.

[A]

Okay, let's. Can we shift into speculation mode for just a minute here? Because I. Well, I want to be clear to the audience. I'm not making a definitive statement by talking about this, but I understand how it can look a little odd for President Biden to go from totally fine, clean bill of health to stage four prostate cancer when you're this former president. I mean, that guy's under constant watch 24 7, I would imagine. Now, at the same time, to your point, I definitely believe and know of people who, like, go to the doctor and go and come out and they go, oh, my God, I have, like, I have a really aggressive form of cancer that we weren't able to detect early. So I'm not saying that it was definitely that. I. I think it's reasonable, especially given, you know, the. The secrecy of government in general and just the whole press and, like, you know, public perception and all the things that go into that. I think it's reasonable to be like, hey, I don't get it, though, guys. Like, how do we go from totally fine to absolutely this without anyone even being curious? So I think the truth is probably somewhere in between. You know, obviously we want President Biden to make a full recovery. We wish him the best. And, you know, whenever anyone that we know, even our political enemies get cancer, cancer diagnosis, we want them healed. I mean, right now, Megan Basham, someone who I deeply do not like on a political level, she has really aggressive colon cancer, and I've messaged on her Twitter account like, hey, hope you feel better. Hope you get better. You know, she has a family. She has kids. So we certainly don't misunderstand. I'm not saying this is a good thing. Obviously it's not. But also, like, it's a little sus that we go from nothing to this. And you're the President of the United States of America. You have a team around you 24 7, 365 to protect you and make sure you're medically okay. And nothing. There was not even a hint, not even nothing suspicious. Doctors missed that. I don't know. That's how I feel.

[B]

I mean, I honestly, I don't think it's sus at all because I have been on the receiving end of surprising news in stage four, having. No, no, like, thought about it ahead of time at all. Now, that doesn't mean that they weren't covering it up, but it is very plausible to get the, to get this late stage of a diagnosis and having no idea that you had that. Also, Joe Biden's really old. Like he, he was already slowing. That's that which is a whole other conversation. You know, like Jake Tapper's got a book coming out.

[A]

Oh, I got it. It's, I was ready to go there.

[B]

Yeah. About this giant cover up.

[A]

It's called Original Sin.

[B]

Oh yeah. Listen, I gotta be honest. I think Joe Biden was old and his health was declining because he is old and he's old. And I think he was probably, I think he was too old to run again. I am annoyed that he did not step back and have an actual Democratic primary well before. Like, I'm annoyed that he ever was attempting to run for a second term anyway just because of how old he is. Right. And that's not being ageist, that's just because you could see that he was slowing down. And I think people of a certain age deserve to just live their life in peace. Right. Because the presidency can age you already. Like, yes, Barack Obama, when he started his presidency to, when he left. Like, it, it ages you. So I, I, I, I think he should have stepped back. And also I am annoyed that this book even exists. Like, I feel like it is this, I don't think there's any need for it because he did step back too late. I'm annoyed by that. But also putting this effort and trying to show like, oh my gosh, there's this huge cover up of Joe Biden and blah, blah, blah. All that does is give the fascists that are currently trying to take over more ammo. And like, I just don't have the energy to care that people were trying to. And here's the thing, I, I'm just getting frustrated. I'm going to just go on a.

[A]

Little rant, rant, rant, rant.

[B]

Like we saw Joe Biden's debate, right? It wasn't good. Like, he's clearly slowed down. And also I don't think there was this huge cover up. Like, I don't think they were using the auto pen to basically like Weekend at Bernie's. Joe Biden, I think Joe Biden was cognitively there. Like he, and a lot of interviews that I've seen, he makes more sense than Donald Trump does on any given day. Like, I think he was mentally there. I think he was just old and was slowing down and he has a diagnosed stutter. And I think people were taking things to be bigger than they were to Try to make it seem like there is this massive conspiracy and cover up. Like, I just think it's somewhere in the middle. I don't think there was this massive cover up. And I, I do think Joe Biden should have not run again. I think both things can be true and that's where I stand.

[A]

Okay, here's my thoughts on this. And look, I, I'm going to be just brutally honest with you, as I always am. And if some people don't like what I have to say, I respect it. I'm not asking you to agree. I'm just giving you, giving you, you my perspective. Okay, I largely agree with you. And I think we also need to point out, and I've thought this even before all this stuff came out, I thought that sometimes I saw people almost act sycophantic towards Biden and defend what was obviously not true in front of us. When that debate happened, there were people, there were Democrat folks and pundits online who were like, it's not what you think, that it's something to do with him not doing well, etc. And I'm like, I don't know, guys. Like, he doesn't look like he's doing that well. It looks like there is some kind of cognitive something happening. He couldn't really keep it together. Oh, how dare you? That's ages. How dare you critique. And I'm like, okay, that sounds kind of like Trumpism to me where like, we can't, we can't critique Trump because he's like American's chosen leader. That's what the right will do. They'll ignore all the obvious signs. And I agree. First off, Jake Tapper, obviously this is a grift. Okay? This guy's a reporter. If you had that news before you wrote a book, why would you not tell us the news like a reporter? And why would you hide it behind a book that we have to pay money for? Okay, that's true. And also it was a disastrous idea for Biden to run again. It absolutely was. There should have been primaries. He gave Harris 100 days to get a full campaign up and running to take on a billionaire funded right wing media echo chamber pushing, you know, this authoritarian fascist messiah. That is ridiculous. And I just think that we have to be a little more willing to acknowledge that. Yeah, like it was a huge misstep. That's not saying Joe Biden's a bad person. That's not saying that he didn't do good things for the country. Of course, that all goes without saying. He did so many great things. I'm happy he was president for sure, but the fact that he chose to run again and that there was a world around him of people telling us it's not what you think. It's like, guys, we need to be honest. Like, truth telling matters, even when it's in a political party that maybe we find ourselves aligning with. And. Yeah, so that's how I kind of think about it. You know, I. I do think that Jake Tapper's book is probably a lot of nonsense to a degree, but there seems to be a lot of people who say otherwise. But either way, it seems kind of like a hit piece. And what's the point? Like, dude, we literally have a fascist takeover happening in America. Joe Biden is not president. Trump is president. And by the way, might I add, there's plenty of evidence to show that Trump is not coherent. I see the way he talks. I see the way he makes absolutely no sense. He just says the stupidest stuff. And we're like, wait, we're supposed to believe that. That somehow this guy is mentally stable? Obviously he's not. So I don't want folks to, you know, misunderstand me and think that I'm just picking on Biden. But I do think that I've seen people in the way that they talked about Biden. Where I go, that feels a little too sycophantic for me. I'm not in the business of having messiahs in chief, even if they have a certain name in front of them. You know, that's how I see it.

[B]

Yeah. Well. And I think Joe Biden is not beyond criticism. And, like, we don't. One reason, like, we're. We're not like Trump supporters and maga, because we can critique both sides.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

But also, like, I don't. It's hard for me to look at this as, like, this is some massive cover up. Because I remember when My grandfather was 80, and he, from appearances, seemed very slow and seemed like he was not there, but, like, his mind was sharp. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't. It's hard for me to say, like, just because he's stuttering and because he looks like, like, really slow. Like, I don't think that means he's, like, cognitively unable to make presidential decisions. Because I still see Joe Biden doing interviews. He was just on the View recently, and he's, like, completely there. I just think. I don't know. I. I just don't want to. It's hard for me to say, like, this is just a massive cover up and Joe Biden was completely unable to be president.

[A]

I don't think that.

[B]

Because, because I don't. I think I agree with you. He should not have run again 100%. And I think they could have seen him slowing down as a sign he should not run again. They should have made that decision a lot sooner.

[A]

Look, yes, don't misunderstand, folks. I'm not saying, Look, I agree with Charlie Kirk that Joe Biden was incapable and had a shadow government running the country for him. No, of course not. I think he absolutely was able to do his job. And by the way, can we just all acknowledge that no matter who's president, that's a very tough job. You're on 24 7. It's a demanding job. No matter who you are at what age, it doesn't matter. It's a demanding job. But yeah, I mean, again, my, my big beef is that Biden should never have run again. Like flat out. I think, I think that, that, that the signs of, like, hey, you did your job. We're grateful for you. You know, I think that maybe this, this shouldn't be another run. You know, we should move on. And the fact that they gave Harris a hundred days, of course she was doomed. You know, like, what do you do with that? It's just unfair.

[B]

So anyway, yeah, I mean, I, I do, I do agree on, on that front. And also, Joe Biden beat Donald Trump and people were terrified, rightfully so, of a second Donald Trump term and did and looked at the numbers and at the time we're like, well, Joe Biden's already beat him once. Joe Biden is who we got to go with. And then there was that disastrous debate and then you couldn't hide.

[A]

Like, no, like, it wasn't good.

[B]

It doesn't make cognitive sense in a lot of his stuff. But he says it so confidently and people are like, yeah, you know, like, he's, he's, he's, he just comes across more. It doesn't matter. We went.

[A]

But no, I mean, it's all, it's important too. We have to. And I think that the Democratic Party is, I'm not sure else to say this, and again, I might get some flack for it, but, you know, it's not like, for whatever reason, whatever reason. I think honestly it's because right wing media is so powerful. Democratic strategists and how they, their messaging in general, for some reason does not feel as compelling for a lot of Americans as right wing propaganda. And there's, I'm sure there's science behind that. I'm sure there's a lot behind it. In fact, I just interviewed someone around charisma and how charisma can be used for good or for bad and how charisma can convince people to do things that are crazy and how Trump has a lot of that charisma that he mobilizes. I think that's a huge point, a huge, you know, angle of this as well. But yeah, I mean, I think that the Democratic Party has like a real reckoning and a real overhaul that is needed. I think that there are some establishment Democrats who absolutely have become corporate sellouts who take a lot of corporate money to maintain certain status quo's even, even if they, if they say the right things. And there's a real separation between like the leftist side of the party and like your mainstream Democrats that's not happening on the right right now. The right wing, far right and Republicanism is really symbiotic because Charlie Kirk and all those folks, they were the ones speaking at the rnc. You're never going to see in fact Hassan P. Who's like maybe the most well known leftist out there, he got kicked out of the DNC because he criticized Israel. Right. They're not nearly as aligned as, as the Republican Party right now. So it's just a very interesting time to be alive and a lot of political movement is happening. And right now I think that there's a perfect storm that has given us this right wing fascist kind of wave that has taken a lot of people by a storm, frankly, and has done a lot of bad, terrible things.

[B]

I agree with you. Like, I think, I think what, I think all of what you said is fair. Democrats have a lot to atone for, 100%. And also I don't have the energy to fix the Democrats right now.

[A]

Oh yeah, for sure.

[B]

Like I just don't want to keep our eyes off of the Big Bad, which is Donald Trump and the MAGA movement and the fascism and Christian nationalism that is currently in power trying to take over our nation.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

That's where my energy has to go, you know, Like I can't give any, any sort of win to Jake Tapper right now and his stupid book of talking about this cover up with Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a private citizen right now.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And he's got four prostate cancer. You know, like I just, I just don't have the energy, you know, because that, that's not the Big Bad. That's not the Big bad that's right in front of me right now.

[A]

Yeah, look, I agree. I mean, 90% of our show is critiquing Trump and Christian nationalism. Right. I think allocating a 3. A 3% bandwidth to mention that we aren't fans of what has happened in the Democratic Party, I think is reasonable. But, yeah, I agree with you, April. You know, I think our main folk. I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you, obviously, I agree strongly. You know, but I think every now and then it's, it's okay to mention that, hey, we have some concerns about what happened.

[B]

And I agree. I just hate. I just hate how much ammo this is, is giving the right.

[A]

Oh, totally.

[B]

They are using this to say we were right about everything, which they were not. They were still so wrong about so many things and still are.

[A]

It's. How.

[B]

But I do want to say there was some good news. Just some good news today. The Supreme Court. Yeah. Blocked a private religious charter school in Oklahoma. They said, no, you cannot use federal funds to make a charter school religious, private. So. Which is good news. And actually there's been a few other good rulings by SCOTUS in the last couple weeks with Amy Coney Barrett actually siding against Donald Trump. So, you know, there, there are some good things that are happening. Bad things, though, another bad news overnight at like 4:00am and we, we don't. Listen, I just want to just point out we are not a news show.

[A]

Right.

[B]

We cannot cover every major news story. We don't have the bandwidth to do it. And honestly, I don't. I don't have the mental capacity to cover every single terrible news story.

[A]

We are human beings, too. This stuff impacts us off camera.

[B]

Right. We're here to give commentary on news that we can relate to. Christian nationalism from a progressive Christian point of view, because we think that's important. But we're not going to be able to get to everything. So don't come to us expecting us to cover every single news story.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But, but the gop, the House. The House just passed the gop. Big beautiful bill, as Donald Trump called it, overnight that an overnight vote. It barely passed. There were three Republican holdouts. I don't think they were holding out for reasons we would have held out. But this is going to be very bad news for people who are on Medicare and a lot of people are going to lose their health insurance over it. So we want to just acknowledge that that happened. Maybe we can do a deeper, you know, we can talk about.

[A]

We should at some Point, I think.

[B]

You know, Medicaid in particular passes the Senate, we'll need to talk about it because it's not law yet. The Senate has to pass it first. So hopefully we'll have some holdouts in the Senate as well.

[A]

My kids are on like, it's called NJ Family Care, which is a Medicare or Medicaid. It's one of those. It's a government funded program in partnership with federal and local government. And my kids very well could lose their health care access over this because of these cuts. Which I think the only tie I'll say for now is that of course Christian nationalists want that to happen. So this is like another effect of just that Christian nationalist theology of no, we don't need big government to take care of your kids health care. It's like what, like what are we doing?

[B]

So this bill will, will definitely negatively impact disabled people in our nation.

[A]

Totally. It is the opposite of family values. It's not pro family, it's not pro neighbor. It is, it reinforces tax cuts for the ultra rich which by the way, another piece of news just to mention the ultra rich, the top 10 billionaires in America grew their wealth last year by $365 billion. So I, we covered last year, last year, last week on the show that, that the middle and lower class absolutely cannot even afford just the basic necessities to make life at like a high quality of living that is enjoyable. Meanwhile, billionaires continue to enhance their wealth and that's because these policies have real world consequences. You know, so actually I'll give you a question, April. I did this on Threads the other day. Let me ask you this question. If you made $70,000 a year, how long would it take for you to make a billion dollars?

[B]

By the way, don't make me math.

[A]

$70,000. $70,000 is higher than the average wage in America. So you're making actually above the median wage. How long would it take for you to make a billion dollars? Just a billion?

[B]

We'll say like 15 years would be to a million and a hundred million.

[A]

Oh I don't, gosh, 10,000 years, 14,286 years to make $1 billion if you didn't spend a dollar. Just 1 billion. Just 1 billion. Not, not, not the net worth of Elon Musk, the world's greediest man at 400 plus billion just to spend one or make $1 billion. If you made 70 grand a year, 14,000 plus years, it doesn't make sense. And like Jesus says, you can't Serve both God and money. Would love to see some, you know, Bible believing Christians start talking about that. But yeah, this is the effect of it. It's crazy.

[B]

That really puts things into perspective too.

[A]

Someone said so. How many Methuselahs? That's funny.

[B]

How many?

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

And one. One. Moses.

[A]

I'm dying.

[B]

That's good. All right, let's get to our fun final segment of the day. Weird Christian shit.

[A]

Yeah, I got the singer back.

[B]

This is one of my favorite moments of the week.

[A]

Same.

[B]

I'm so much fun. It's just fun and silly and stupid. It's.

[A]

We. We need. We need the humor. And I think a lot of people who watch our show and Friends again give us your feedback, but I think they like that, you know, we're a little more tongue in cheek. We have some fun. It's not all 247 doom and gloom. There are news people on Instagram who break every single story. So if you want doom and gloom, you can find it. But we gotta have some fun. We gotta have some fun.

[B]

Yeah. So this is. This is a sermon clip from a pastor. This just showed up on my Instagram newsreel. I don't know what church this is and I don't know this guy's name, but this is a pastor in some church in America somewhere.

[A]

Maybe we should say, not safe for work. Kind of. You understand why. Just be aware. You know, something think about. Yeah, so here we go. Skip a little bit. But I'm gonna give you this. Somebody told me one time, I don't have to preach at all at the same time. I could cut it like Subway and give you a six inch in the morning and a six inch at night.

[B]

That's not my style.

[A]

I'm gonna shove this entire foot long down your throat.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That does not feel very consensual to me.

[B]

No, no, I did not consent. I love the pads behind it too. Like, I'm gonna shove this giant footlong down your throat.

[A]

Oh, my God, please don't. I don't want that down my throat. That's at church. Church.

[B]

Six inch in the morning, six inch in the evening, footlong at suppertime.

[A]

What are we talking about?

[B]

I.

[A]

Do they not think about this stuff? Like. Like when they say this, do they not think about how they could be perceived? I mean, I'll give you a six inch in the morning, a six inch at night, and I'm gonna shove a foot long down your throat. What are we talking about? Like, this is why context matters, friends, because.

[B]

Play it again. How Did. How did he set this up?

[A]

Here we go. Skip a little bit. But I'm gonna give you this. Somebody told me one time, I don't have to preach it all at the same time. I could cut it like Subway and give you a six inch in the.

[B]

Morning and a six inch at night. That's not my style.

[A]

I'm gonna shove this entire foot long down your throat.

[B]

So he says. He says, I'm. Someone said you don't have to give the full sermon or preach it all at once.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So, like, tone it down. You don't have to go so hard.

[A]

Or maybe he's thinking Sunday morning, Sunday night, you know, six inch in the morning, six inch at night.

[B]

No, he's like, no. Whole foot long down your throat.

[A]

Open up. Is a foot long coming.

[B]

You're gonna take this sermon and you're gonna be happy about it.

[A]

You're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Erica in the comments says it's not the size of the sermon that counts, it's how you use it.

[A]

I don't know what she's talking about. I don't get it. What's that mean, April?

[B]

Oh, shut up, Tim. I know you were homeschooled, but I know you weren't that homeschooled.

[A]

And I have adhd, don't forget. I don't know why that's a factor here. But you know what?

[B]

It's kind of like. It's like the Tim and April show. We just give. We split our top. We do 6 inches on Monday, and we do 6 inches on Thursday.

[A]

We're not going to shove a foot long down your throat. Don't worry, friends. We break it up throughout the week. I do think, though, I'm not. I think I shouldn't say that. I was gonna say if. If we were doing that, I would say it's probably 8 inches probably on Monday, and then the rest on Thursday. I feel like, you know, the real deep dives that we do.

[B]

So 8 inch, but the total is 12 inches of.

[A]

Well, of course. Yeah, definitely.

[B]

Yeah. Are we do, like, so, like, Tuesday or Tuesday, Wednesdays, when we're not. Is that like shrinkage?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like flaccid, just.

[A]

Yeah. There nothing going on. There's no simulation. You know, we're not saying anything, and then we come right back at it on Thursday, first thing, ready to go.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Oh. Cassidy said it's just the tip Thursdays.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's just the Tip Thursdays.

[B]

No, no, no. Just the tip are like whenever we pull little segments and we post them on reels. Like, that's just the tip. You have to get them come to this, the live, the six inches. And then you got to listen to both episodes for the full foot long.

[A]

For the. If you want. If you want the full foot long, you got to subscribe to the channel Friends and you got to make sure you. You're there on Mondays and Thursdays if you want the full experience.

[B]

So, yeah, if you want the full sub, you better sub Tribe.

[A]

I just feel so dirty after this. Like, I deconstruct a purity culture. We're all adults, but I feel gross.

[B]

Do you? I'm having a good time.

[A]

I don't know. I'm loving it. It's hilarious.

[B]

I'm dying, man. Yeah, I have other dirty things to say, but I think I'm at a loss.

[A]

Come back on here. Wait. Just come on.

[B]

Get on back here now, you hear? Come on back.

[A]

Come back on Monday for the full 8 inch experience. Friends is all I could say.

[B]

Come back.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Kind of holding some weight. Sorry. I got real dirty there.

[A]

Explicit. Explicit episode. Yeah, you can always deconstruct purity culture so far, April. Okay, there are still lines.

[B]

There's heart. Would you say hard lines?

[A]

I. I would say extremely hard lines. For sure. For sure.

[B]

Okay. We apologize, you all. We are children in the heart. We're immature little middle schoolers.

[A]

Well, you know what? Why don't we leave you all with a send off, skip a little bit. But I'm gonna give you this. Somebody told me one time, I don't have to preach at all. At the same time, I could cut it like Subway and give you a six inch in the morning and a.

[B]

Six inch at night. That's not my style.

[A]

I'm gonna shove this entire foot long down your throat. Have a great week, friends.

[B]

See y' all Monday.