35. Daddy Trump? Christian Nationalists Get Weird at Turning Point Student Summit

Summary

Podcast Title: The Tim & April Show
Host/Author: The New Evangelicals
Episode: 35. Daddy Trump? Christian Nationalists Get Weird at Turning Point Student Summit
Release Date: July 21, 2025
Description: Where we unravel faith, politics, and culture.

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Introduction

In Episode 35 of The Tim & April Show, hosts Tim Whitaker and April delve into the recent Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, critically examining the influence of Christian nationalists and right-wing rhetoric on young attendees. The episode titled "Daddy Trump? Christian Nationalists Get Weird at Turning Point Student Summit" offers a comprehensive analysis of the messages disseminated at the summit and their broader implications for faith, politics, and culture.

Overview of Turning Point USA

Tim Whitaker provides a detailed breakdown of Turning Point USA's organizational structure and its extensive reach:

• Turning Point USA: The main branch overseeing the entire operation.
• Turning Point USA Action: The political arm operating as a 501C4 organization.
• Turning Point Faith: The division focused on intertwining faith with their political agenda.
• Turning Point Academy: The educational branch aiming to influence younger demographics.

Tim emphasizes the organization's annual events, including the Believe Summit, Pastor Summit, America Fest, and notably, the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit aimed at high school and college students. He highlights the substantial financial backing of TPUSA, citing its $80 million annual budget.

Analysis of Key Speakers and Clips

The heart of the episode revolves around the hosts' reactions to various clips from the summit, showcasing alarming rhetoric aimed at youth.

1. Alex Marlowe: The "Daddy Trump" Rhetoric

At [14:17], Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief at Breitbart News, addresses the audience:

Alex Marlowe ([14:17]): "Now the whole world is calling Trump Daddy. He is the father figure they don't deserve, but they absolutely need. That's Daddy."

Hosts' Reaction: Tim and April critique the inappropriate and sexual undertones of referring to Donald Trump as "Daddy," especially when addressing minors. They express concern over the normalization of such language among young supporters.

2. Pete Hegseth: Anti-DEI and Questionable Qualifications

At [23:24], Pete Hegseth declares:

Pete Hegseth ([23:24]): "DEI is dead at DoD. We're going back to gender-neutral, colorblind merit-based performance standards."

Hosts' Reaction: Tim and April mock the superficial understanding of DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) and question Pete's qualifications, especially highlighting his appointment as head of the Department of Defense despite lacking relevant expertise.

3. Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk: Discouraging Critical Thinking

At [36:15], Megyn Kelly advises students:

Megyn Kelly ([36:15]): "Be who you are. Don't pretend you're a lefty in order to win any professor's good humor. Get your D on your paper because you refuse to argue that capitalism is bad and wear it like a badge of honor."

Hosts' Reaction: The hosts criticize this advice for promoting conformity over critical analysis. They argue that discouraging diverse viewpoints undermines the essence of education, which should encourage questioning and critical thinking.

4. Rob Schneider's Comedy Clip: A Brief Reprieve

A comedic interlude featuring Rob Schneider discusses obesity in America:

Rob Schneider ([43:54]): "If you're going to be fat, be fat in America because you can always feel good about yourself..."

Hosts' Reaction: While intended as comic relief, Tim and April express confusion over the clip's intent, pondering whether it's mocking certain viewpoints or perpetuating stereotypes.

5. Tucker Carlson: Economic Concerns with Underlying Agendas

At [46:25], Tucker Carlson speaks on economic metrics:

Tucker Carlson ([46:25]): "If you want a measure of how your economy is doing, I personally favor eliminating GDP as a measure..."

Hosts' Reaction: They acknowledge the validity of some economic concerns but suggest Tucker's commentary hints at underlying motives related to demographic shifts and racial supremacy.

6. Don Jr's Immigration Claims: Misinformation Exposed

At [52:40], Don Jr. states:

Don Jr. ([52:40]): "600,000 criminals. 13,000 murderers... Imagine you spread them out... seven murderers or rapists into every county in America."

Hosts' Reaction: Tim and April debunk these statistics, pointing out the lack of context and factual inaccuracies. They highlight the importance of fact-checking and the dangers of spreading misinformation among impressionable youth.

7. Russell Brand's Freedom Talk and Legal Issues

At [62:22], Russell Brand discusses freedom:

Russell Brand ([62:22]): "Freedom means the ability and right to pursue our own will... or freedom from our petty desires."

Hosts' Reaction: They question Brand's credibility given his active legal charges in the UK for sexual assault. Tim and April express disbelief at his presence on the stage of an event promoting "America First" principles.

Critique of the Summit's Impact on Youth

Tim and April express deep concern over the messages being conveyed to young attendees at the summit. They argue that:

• Propaganda Over Education: The summit prioritizes ideological indoctrination over fostering critical thinking skills.
• Manipulative Language: Terms like "Daddy Trump" create unhealthy and inappropriate attachments.
• Promotion of Unqualified Speakers: Featuring individuals with questionable credentials and legal issues undermines the integrity of the event.
• False Narratives: Misrepresentation of facts, especially regarding immigration and DEI, fosters a divisive and hostile worldview among young minds.

Personal Reflections and Broader Implications

Both hosts share their personal experiences with conservative indoctrination, emphasizing the difficulty in challenging entrenched beliefs among youth. They highlight the broader societal implications of such events, including:

• Polarization: Deepening divides between political and social groups.
• Erosion of Trust: Undermining trust in institutions and truth-telling figures.
• Moral Confusion: Blurring lines between genuine moral values and manipulative rhetoric.

Conclusion and Closing Remarks

Tim and April reiterate the urgent need to address the misinformation and ideological indoctrination occurring at events like the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit. They call for greater accountability and the promotion of critical thinking among youth to counteract the pervasive influence of misleading right-wing narratives.

The episode concludes with a lighter segment featuring Rob Schneider's comedy and a teaser for their upcoming show, "Shiny Happy People Season 2" on Amazon Prime, encouraging listeners to stay engaged and informed.

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Notable Quotes:

• Alex Marlowe ([14:17]):

  "Now the MAGA movement began over a year ago... the whole world is calling Trump Daddy."

• Pete Hegseth ([23:24]):

  "DEI is dead at DoD. We're going back to gender-neutral, colorblind merit-based performance standards."

• Megyn Kelly ([36:15]):

  "Be who you are. Don't pretend you're a lefty in order to win any professor's good humor."

• Don Jr. ([52:40]):

  "600,000 criminals. 13,000 murderers... seven murderers or rapists into every county in America."

• Russell Brand ([62:22]):

  "Freedom means the ability and right to pursue our own will... or freedom from our petty desires."

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This episode of The Tim & April Show serves as a critical examination of the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, highlighting the concerning trends of ideological indoctrination and misinformation targeting young minds. Through their insightful analysis and personal reflections, Tim and April advocate for the importance of truth, accountability, and critical thinking in navigating the complex interplay of faith, politics, and culture.

Transcript

[April]

You're listening to a new evangelicals production, the Tim and April show, where we unravel faith, politics and culture.

[Tim Whitaker]

Hi.

[April]

Hi. Welcome to the Tim and April Show. I'm April. Enjoy. I'm Tim Whitaker and we are here. This is releasing is a Monday.

[Tim Whitaker]

That's a Monday.

[April]

Happy Monday. May your Monday be smoother than our intros.

[Tim Whitaker]

I'm still drinking my coffee. Yeah, I, I, One day we'll figure out that intro and who's gonna do what. April, it's just a matter of time.

[April]

It's almost like, like an indeed. It's just our thing now. And then our banter just becomes us talking about how bad our intros are, which I know is going to get old. Don't worry, we'll move on forever.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh my gosh. Oh. I have a confession. I didn't tell you this, but I'll tell you. And I'm, I'm, I know I'm going to get flack for it. I, I, I, I don't even know why I'm saying this because I, I know what some people are going to say in the comments.

[April]

I'm nervous.

[Tim Whitaker]

I, I, I just can't hold secrets. I can't withhold secrets from people on the Internet. So I just have to say it. Okay, well, many of you know that I go to 711 every morning to get a cup of fresh blueberry coffee. And I realized that, you know, there's gotta be a more, a better way where I can drink coffee more consistently and not have to go to 7:11. So I broke down and we bought a Keurig. And I know what they're gonna say.

[April]

Why don't you go with the Keurig instead of just a coffee pot?

[Tim Whitaker]

I'll tell you why. Because for some reason we've had two coffee pots in this house. And the way, I'm not sure if it's our water or what, but the way it brews, it makes my mouth like taste weird. Really weird. So the Keurig, which is a better option. And I do have the reusable Keurig pod. Okay. Because I know the comments are going to be it's such an environmental waste and it's, you know, Keurig doesn't do any favors for the planet. I hear you on that, friends. And also I had to split the difference between convenient to be able to brew a cup of coffee on the spot and not have a weird taste in my mouth and also not pollute too much, which I will say I'm actually doing the world A favor, because I'm not buying as many 711 coffee cups now. So I'm not throwing those away. Right. Or those lists.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

So I'm gonna get canceled over this. It's a matter of time. I mean, this is gonna go mega viral. Tim Whitaker buys a Curie coffee maker. How dare he? But I did. I bought one.

[April]

I mean, I do think there are bigger problems in the world than you buying a Keurig machine, but, you know.

[Tim Whitaker]

I just had to get off my chest.

[April]

Yeah. I feel that the guilt is I.

[Tim Whitaker]

Could not be a fraud. I couldn't do it. I don't want people assuming that this is 711 right now. This is Blueberry Coffee. Great value brand out of my Keurig. But I will say one more thing that actually is kind of cool. So you can get, like, iced tea. So we got the one that will do over ice and hot. And so Sarah has found, like, passion tea pods and, like, ice black iced tea pods. So being able to have that flexibility, being able to do iced tea, iced coffee, or just regular coffee is nice. But yeah, yeah, I did it. I bought. Yeah.

[April]

So I confess, you know, I. I'm not really much of a coffee snob. I pretty much just drink the coffee for the caffeine, and if it tastes good, that's a plus. But I will just. If all.

[Tim Whitaker]

All.

[April]

If the only thing is that's around is black coffee, I will drink the black coffee. And I won't complain, but I will say I have a coffee pot. So I make coffee in my pot every day. But that's just because I want to be able to have more coffee if I want and not do the Keurig. But I don't love the taste of Keurig coffee. Like the few that I like the. Whenever I've been in a place where they only had Keurig, I just. I don't know what it is. There's something about the taste that. That. That tastes like. Like my body knows, like, this is not real coffee. Even though, like, I know it's real coffee. It's, like, just different, but it doesn't have that same fresh coffee pot taste.

[Tim Whitaker]

I have to agree with you. So I used to work for a couple of different coffee shops, including Starbucks at one point back in the day. But I work. I work for local shops too. I'm not really a coffee snob these days. If I'm out, I'll usually get, like an Americano. That's kind of what my. My go to drink. So I'm pretty Simple. But I've had an espresso and I've had Keurig, and I've had coffee pots. I've done Fresh Prince. Fresh Prince.

[April]

Wait, Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

[Tim Whitaker]

No, no. French presses. I've done French press. Get it out. For some reason, and I will say that, you know, the Keurig. The reason why I went with Keurig was two reasons. Number one, it was more affordable than Nespresso, and they had more options like. Nespresso's coffee is actually better quality for sure. Definitely tastes better.

[April]

But.

[Tim Whitaker]

But it's more limited, including. I couldn't find blueberry options, so I went with Keurig.

[April]

But wait, wait, wait. Keurig has the blueberry coffee?

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, yeah. It's the great value pods.

[April]

Hold on. Let me ask you something and be for real. Okay.

[Tim Whitaker]

What.

[April]

Okay, if you. Is blueberry coffee really, like, your favorite coffee out there? Like, you want blueberry more than any other flavor of coffee. If you could have anything, you go blueberry.

[Tim Whitaker]

Here's what I will tell you. When I walked down to my local 7114 and a half years ago and saw blueberry and said, you know what? Let me give it a shot, and did that with some French, another creamer, I was like, wow, this is really good. But not all blueberry coffee is created equal. And so this, what I'm drinking now is just subpar. It's not nearly as tasteful or tasty. But no, that's not. That's not my favorite ever. I. My usual, like, favorite kind of coffee. I do like a good French press. I do love something that is brewed really well. And I like Americanos. That's what I'll normally do. You know, I do think I do foresee a future where one day when Sarah and I had the disposable income, we invest in, like, a nice coffee machine that can do shots and can do lattes, and that will. That will replace us, you know, doing Starbucks or doing coffee out. Yeah. One day.

[April]

Okay.

[Tim Whitaker]

My friends that I know have like a $2,000 machine, and it is. Is better than Starbucks. Like, there are lattes that I have there. I'm like, this is really good, but I don't have that kind of money. And if I did, it would be tattooed on my body first before I bought that.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

So, like, you already have a low thousand.

[April]

Couple thousand. Few thousand dollars on your body right now with all those tats?

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, I probably have close to eight.

[April]

Wow.

[Tim Whitaker]

Maybe between six and eight over. Over the course of, like, 10 years. And most of them before kids. So to be clear. Yeah, but yeah, yeah.

[April]

Well, that's fun. My favorite flavor of coffee is hazelnut. In case anyone wants to know, we only ever talk about Tim's favorite coffee.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, you know what? You know what? Opportunity missed. Hey, friends, comment your favorite coffee in the YouTube comments drive engagement to this video.

[April]

Also. Also, can you show us your mug again? Oh, where did you get that mug?

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, thanks for asking, April. Yes, it says I commit sense of empathy. And it's part of our merch line which you can get link in the description which is have it. We have shirts, we have coffee mugs, all kinds of good stuff. And we are working on some Tim and April branded merch as well, including mugs. So we'll get that out to you guys soon, hopefully.

[April]

So great. Well, now that the people who hate our banter are like, oh my gosh, stop talking about coffee.

[Tim Whitaker]

What a waste.

[April]

We have a fun show. Fun might be a strong word.

[Tim Whitaker]

Lol.

[April]

But Turning Point had another conference. How many conferences do they have every year? I feel like every other day there's another Turning Point conference.

[Tim Whitaker]

April, I hated. I hate to delay this conversation, but we're missing one more announcement.

[April]

We are?

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes. Oh, my announcement. I'm sorry, I should say this is what we were going to say at the beginning. I'll say it now. Just briefly. I. As many people who follow the new evangelicals know, we have a new executive director, Belinda Hale. She's amazing. One of her first decrees was that I was ordered to take a month of time away to rest and recharge after grinding on the social media world for four and a half years. So the month of August, I will be completely not on the TNE or Tim and April show. I'll be taking some time away with my family. We're moving into a new house. I'll still be around on my personal accounts at Tim Whitaker speaks on Instagram and substack. But. But this show, what we're going to do is we're going to take a month break of the Monday releases. So there we know Monday releases through the month of August. And in April, we'll be joined by several different special guests for our Tim and April lives. So I. I will not spoil who they are. You have to show up.

[April]

I've already. I've got the guest list already prepared and it's going to be a lot of fun. So I will miss all of you. We will miss you, Tim. We will miss you.

[Tim Whitaker]

I will miss our banter. April. I will.

[April]

Yes. Yes, I will. We'll, we'll banter about you while you're gone.

[Tim Whitaker]

But I will be, I will be back in September, so taking a little bit of a break, just FYI.

[April]

Yeah. But the Tim and April show will still be live in the month of August and I will be there. So it'll be the April show or the Tim and April show sans Tim plus guest.

[Tim Whitaker]

And it will still be posted to podcasts every Friday. So if you're listening on podcasts, you will miss the Monday episodes for a month, but they will be out every Friday from, from Thursday's live, so. Okay, that's enough housekeeping stuff. To answer your question, Turning Point USA is a mega organization. $80 million a year. They do several events throughout the year. They do a believer summit for, for Christians and this. Okay, let me back up. Turning Point has, has several major wings. There's Turning Point USA, that, that's the mothership. Then there's Turning Point USA Action, that's their 501C4 political arm. Then there's Turning Point Faith, that's their faith arm. And then there's the Turning Point Academy, that's their education arm. Okay. Okay. So they, they have a lot of tentacles in different places in government, in, in education, and in just the general social media world. Turning Point does several events. They do the faith one several times a year. They do a pastor summit, they do America Fest, which tickets are officially on sale. So I'll be going to America Fest again in December. That'll be happening. You should come with me, April. It'd be a lot of fun, I think if we went together. Just throwing that out there maybe. And they also do the annual Turning Point USA Student Action Summit. O. This is geared for younger people, I believe mostly high schoolers and college age students is who they're aiming, aiming for. And as you can see, they have a pretty long list of speakers. So this year, of course, Charlie Kirk spoke, Pete Hegstat spoke, Christy Gnome spoke, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon. I mean, it's a pretty long list of right wing influencers, politicians, B list celebrities like Rob Schneider. Oh yeah, Russell Brand. Yeah. The man who's currently facing charges of sexual assault in the uk Spoke at this event because, you know, family values. Right. Turning Point loves to talk about protecting kids from groomers. And then they platform a man who's facing legitimate legal charges of sexually assaulting women and platforms him in front of high schoolers and college age students. So job well done. So yeah, so this is what it was. Yeah.

[April]

Okay.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. Riley Gaines, she was there.

[April]

Of course. Of course she was. So we, what was that A couple weeks ago? A few weeks ago we released an episode where we responded to their Young Women's Summit that was geared toward young women.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right.

[April]

But a lot of underage, like teenagers too.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

And so this one was not was this. This one was. So when it's a Student Action Summit, what does that mean? Is that high school students, College students, mostly high.

[Tim Whitaker]

High schoolers and, and college age students. I mean, turning points. Bread and butter is young people. They started as a college like organization, you know, so, so they're looking to engage. And I think the Student Action Summit is more for high school age. I did have someone, I, I, someone DM me who was there and said that it was pretty wild that he did say that some people were wearing Trump capes. So I don't have a picture of that. So I can't confirm that, but I.

[April]

Would not put it rising.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

I mean, these are the people at the Republican convention last year, wore pieces of paper on their ears.

[Tim Whitaker]

How can I forget?

[April]

Maxi pads.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

So Trump keeps mild compared to some things I've seen now.

[Tim Whitaker]

For sure. For sure.

[April]

Okay, so you pulled a bunch of clips. Most of these I haven't watched because I wanted to react to in the moment. Yeah. Not have seen them.

[Tim Whitaker]

So I just think it's good to kind of keep our finger on the pulse of what is being said to young people in the right wing world. Now, again, April, you and I come out of the right wing world. Right. We grew up as young people in this space. So if this event was around 20 years ago, no longer than that, 25 years ago. Weird. We'd probably be going to something like this and hearing things like this because.

[April]

20 years ago too though.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

20 off works. Yeah, we didn't. You didn't need to throw 25 in there.

[Tim Whitaker]

Still two decades ago though, April. Two decades.

[April]

Stop it.

[Tim Whitaker]

It's happening.

[April]

And I think one thing as we are watching these clips to keep in mind is that this is the same group of people, and I was one that love to accuse the left of indoctrinating children.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep.

[April]

And here you have a youth summit where people are just non stop indoctrinating their youth with right wing propaganda.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep. So this first clip is from Alex Marlowe. He is the editor in chief at Breitbart News. So which is. Which was started by Steve Bannon. So let's hear what he has to say today.

[C]

Joy, we are an exceptional country and we are winning a lot right now. We're finally on the comeback trail after what felt like years in the wilderness. But I speak to you today at a time that our movement is going through a little bit of infighting over Iran, over the big beautiful bill, over the Epstein files. And we can and should debate this stuff. We need to ask questions, we need to demand answers, we need to demand accountability. But I want to offer a note of positivity. When the MAGA movement began over a year ago, there weren't a lot of us. And those of us who called ourselves America first, nationalists were called racists. Now the whole world is calling Trump Gabby and he is deaf. He is. He's the father figure they don't deserve, but they absolutely need. That's Daddy.

[April]

They're so weird.

[Tim Whitaker]

They talk about grooming, talk about do they know?

[April]

Do they not know what Daddy?

[Tim Whitaker]

No, April, they know.

[April]

That means they know.

[Tim Whitaker]

They know.

[April]

They know.

[Tim Whitaker]

Absolutely. No.

[April]

You really think they know?

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes. Are you kidding me? Conservative politicians are some of the biggest, you know, we're not here to kink shame, but let's just say that, that they're into maybe not average stuff. I mean, how about the. Who is the woman Moms for Liberty who is engaging in a throuple with her and her husband?

[April]

Oh, listen, I know, I know that they're hypocrites, but calling Donald Trump Daddy has, has very sexual. That there is a sexual meaning there that you can't deny. And these are men, this is a man. And, and their whole world is anti gay. What. What are they doing?

[Tim Whitaker]

There are, there are little girls in this audience and he's dropping that kind of language to like there's probably 13 year old girls in this audience and he's saying Trump is Daddy.

[April]

Oh my gosh. Can you imagine if, if I don't think there is like a Democrat version of Turning Point or like a left or left wing version, but if there was, and you had Democrats speaking to young people and said, Joe Biden is Daddy, he's our daddy.

[Tim Whitaker]

Or Kamala Harris.

[April]

Yeah. They would accuse them of grooming the group. Oh my gosh.

[Tim Whitaker]

By the way, I would be a little, I would be like, oh, please don't ever call Harris mommy or call Biden daddy. Like, I, I don't. That's not what we're talking ill. No, Donald Trump. Trump is Donald Trump.

[April]

Not the like person that you're going to see on like people's sexiest men list.

[Tim Whitaker]

Just saying, you know what it is? You know what it is, April. So many of these Accusations are confessions. This world is so obsessed with sex and gay. What was it? Gay men? Sex. From our video a couple weeks ago from that pastor. Like, they're just obsessed with these things. They're obsessed. They talk about it all the time. All the time. And you have this senior editor or the guy in charge of Breitbart in front of students where were. There are kids here who are underage. Right? 17, 15, 14 year olds. And he says Trump is Daddy. He's the father figure that they don't deserve the world, but that they need. What does that even mean? Like, none of this whole. By the way, he also says the MAGA movement started a year ago. What?

[April]

Right. Talking about.

[Tim Whitaker]

It has to be just. He has to have misspoken there.

[April]

Yeah. And then he also said that the world now calls Trump Daddy.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

Which just shows how completely ignorant you are to what the world thinks about Donald Trump. Donald Trump recently was just at the World Cup. Gets booed. He gets booed anywhere he goes. That's not like his MAGA rallies.

[Tim Whitaker]

Let's. Let's hear it one more time. Make sure that we didn't misinterpret.

[April]

Okay?

[C]

Us were called racists. Now the whole world is calling Trump Daddy.

[Tim Whitaker]

Who claps for that? Who claps for that?

[April]

So weird.

[C]

And he is Daddy.

[April]

No, he's not.

[Tim Whitaker]

He is.

[C]

No, he's the father figure they don't deserve, but they absolutely need. That's Daddy.

[April]

Gross.

[Tim Whitaker]

Gross. And you're right, April. The whole world does not view Trump in a respectable way.

[April]

No, not at all. He's actually embarrassing. Like, the only thing. Yeah, that clip. I don't think you pulled it, but that clip of him at the World Cup. Did you see it?

[Tim Whitaker]

I haven't seen it.

[April]

You haven't seen it?

[Tim Whitaker]

No. I thought we were.

[April]

Yeah, we'll see. Save it for the live. That were. That already happened, right?

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, wait, no, I did see it. I saw it. It was great.

[April]

No, but so he presents the trophy, right? And then there's literally a guy that's like, okay, come with me. Like, to try to get him off the stage. And he doesn't leave. He doesn't leave. And clearly you can see the players that are wanting to celebrate without Donald Trump, and Donald Trump refuses to leave. It's honestly embarrassing. The only thing that I could relate to, like, the father figure, is when, like, your dad embarrasses you as a teenager. Oh, my gosh. So embarrassing. Is that when this. Is that when. I don't know. I. If the team's about to come up then. Yes.

[Tim Whitaker]

Let's find out.

[April]

Okay. Yes. This is it.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay. So he's giving the trophy to the team.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

Then he's standing there.

[April]

The guy's like, come with me. I'll sure him off. I'm like, no. And he's just clapping.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, my God.

[April]

Everyone's staring at him. And then they're like, okay, I guess we'll celebrate without him or with him.

[Tim Whitaker]

He just had to be the middle of this.

[April]

Oh, I know. Also I read too, that he kept the actual trophy and so FIFA had to give them a replica. Wait, because what the. I don't know what kind of deal he made, but whoever is over FIFA agreed to give Trump the actual trophy to. To be in the Oval Office.

[Tim Whitaker]

We. America is a laughingstock to the world at this point. Like. Like we are a joke. Rick is because. You know why? Because this president is a joke. The stuff that the White House account posts is a joke. The way this man talks is a joke. The level of anti intellectualism that is now in the White House from who runs the health department, like conspiracy theorists and vaccine denier RFK to Pete Hegseth, which I have a clip of that we can play. Really trying to say with a straight face that DEI is dead.

[April]

Mm.

[Tim Whitaker]

And that meritocracy is. Is. Is. Is now here to stay. Coming from the weekend Fox News co host who's out who's now in charge of the military. Like, if anyone is not qualified for their position, it is Pete. Headset. Pete Hegseth.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

Blows my mind.

[April]

It is. It is absolutely so stupid. And so that was according to the Daily Beast, and there's a few other that are talking about how he kept the original. So the team got a replica.

[D]

Mama.

[Tim Whitaker]

Papa.

[E]

Hi, my name is Leanne. I live in chapel hill, north carolina. I'm 65 years old, and both my husband and I grew up in a fairly conservative evangelical church. But about 20 years ago, we began to question some of the teachings in that church, and we embarked on our own process of deconstruction and reconstruction. Although it didn't have a name at the time. And we have recently started attending a wonderful church that is fully affirming and fully inclusive of our LGBTQ siblings and Christ. And we absolutely love it. It's the best faith experience of our lives. And I so appreciate Tim and the new evangelicals team. I so appreciate the online resource. And I have become a donor because I believe so strongly in the really important work they're doing, and I would encourage Anyone listening to consider doing the same.

[Tim Whitaker]

Thank you. Why don't we watch this Pete Hex clip from Turning Point Student Action Summit and see what he has to say.

[April]

Oh, gosh.

[C]

So from day one, we have declared that DEI is dead at dod.

[April]

Pause. You know, he practiced in a mirror saying that line. He was like, baby dead D o D. He's like, oh, that's great.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

You know, he said that to his wife was like, what do you think about this? Yeah, he's better.

[Tim Whitaker]

Say you like it.

[April]

So proud.

[Tim Whitaker]

He.

[April]

T is D E D dead.

[C]

Day O D. We're going back to gender neutral, colorblind merit based performance standards.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, this is. This is hilarious.

[April]

Gender neutral my ass.

[Tim Whitaker]

Of course. This guy. This guy is discipled by Doug Wilson, who believes that. That women essentially are just there to be impregnated and to make sandwiches. Like, Doug Wilson is not gender neutral. They believe that women are inferior to men, which is why Pete Hegseth has views about women not being able to serve in military, especially in combat roles. So he's not gender neutral. He's not. And again and again, the right wing MAGA world has hijacked DEI to mean people who don't deserve their jobs have a job because of a certain, you know, color of their skin or because of certain circumstances. Pete Hegseth is the epitome of that. The man is not qualified. He has no merit being in charge of the Department of Defense. None. Zero, Zilch. Zero. But because of who he knows and because of who he sucks up to and because he was a weekend Fox News host, right, he has that position. He again, every accusation is simply a confession. It's a confession. Trump lowered the standards for these roles to put in his yes, men. Pete Hegseth is the living embodiment of their racist idea of dei.

[April]

I mean, he has the nickname Whiskey Leaks for a reason.

[Tim Whitaker]

The bro put his wife in a real chat.

[April]

Classified information.

[Tim Whitaker]

How inept you have to be. I mean, and again, April, we know, we know. Let's say that, that, that, that. That the person in charge of DoD under the Harris administration was a black woman. And let's say that happened where she leaked classified information in a signal chat. You think Charlie Kirk wouldn't be all over that shit? Oh, this is dei. They're completely inept. But because Pete Hegseth does it. Oh, it's not a big deal. It's not what you think. Nothing, nothing was actually leaked. You, you know, what you see in front of you isn't reality. They lie and they lie and they lie and they're hypocritical. And we all know it. And they know it. They just don't care. That's what makes it so infuriating to watch.

[April]

It is infuriating. All right, let's finish this stupid clip you got.

[C]

We do readiness, we do accountability. We do war fighting, we do lethality, we don't do social experiment experiments, we don't do politics. I don't care in my formations. I mean, I have my political views and you have yours.

[Tim Whitaker]

He's talking to students at the Turning Point Action Summit. You have the same political views, obviously, Pete, Mike, we do accountability. You read classified documents in the Signal group chat twice. And you still have the position that you have accountability. Zero. Zero.

[April]

What a joke.

[C]

Here in my formation, if you're a Republican or a Democrat.

[Tim Whitaker]

Liar.

[C]

Do you love the country? Have you sworn ill to defend the Constitution? And how good are you at your job? And my job is for you to be prepared in that mission.

[Tim Whitaker]

That's it. Oh my God. Insufferable.

[April]

What is he. It sounds like he's on like not an apology tour, but just like the opposite of that. Like he, like what, what is the point of propaganda tour? He's just up there being like, I'm great, we're doing great. Like what, what is he teaching to youth in that room that is beneficial to them at all except just defending himself?

[Tim Whitaker]

Well, that's the thing is like these. Look, we were young once, April, 20 plus years ago. But you know that when you're a teenager, a young adult, you're, you're, you're in this unique space, right, where you're starting to become more self aware, you're starting to develop your own thoughts, but your brain is still very malleable, right? And so you have all these students in this space that is just being in the receiving propaganda and like nonsense, and they're taking it as fact that it's like shaping their worldview. So what Pete said was just a bunch of nothing, right? He said a bunch of nothing. And also he said a bunch of things that don't line up with his own reality. But the students don't have the wherewithal or the wisdom to be able to discern that difference for them. What Pete said is their reality. And it's. You're watching indoctrination happen in real time. And this next clip that we're going to play in a second from Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk, I think really hits the nail on the head regarding just how Clear. The indoctrination is from this world. Like, they don't like critical thinking. They don't want to hear all sides. They don't want to carefully weigh out the evidence. They are concerned about maintaining a very specific nationalistic, supremacist, pseudo Christian worldview that is in service to maintaining their interests at the expense of their neighbors. It's just so clear.

[April]

I just can't believe he said we are for gender neutral or whatever the word was. Because these people are also super anti trans and are very much like the. There's two genders, male and female only. And they, they're the, the. The kings and queens of making everybody try to succumb to a specific gender role. So it's very laughable to hear him say that they're gender neutral.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, well, as long. By gender neutral he means as long as trans people don't exist, men are providers and alpha males and women are subservient little women who give birth and make sandwiches. Or then we're gender neutral and they have to stay home. Unless you're Ali Stucky or Megyn Kelly or Caroline Levitt. Levitz. Anyone in the maga world who's a woman, they can work. That's fine. They can have illustrious careers, make tons of money, even more than their husbands, that's fine. But as a standard goes for everyone else, women should focus really on being a homemaker.

[April]

Yeah, bless it.

[Tim Whitaker]

Bless it.

[April]

Let's watch this next clip under his eye.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, this is Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelly. Here you go, folks. What a combo. So there's 7,000 people here, most of which are students. What advice do you have for them? Fighting on campus, trying to figure out what they want to do with their life. Let's do a non epstein end to all of this. Okay, so really quick. I mean, it's a decent question, right? Talk to the students. Megan, how should students navigate as they're going into college, finding themselves? What's your advice for them? Buckle up for this.

[F]

Awesome. Be who you are. Don't pretend you're a lefty in order to win any professor's good humor. He's not worth it. Get your D on your paper because you refuse to argue that capitalism is bad and wear it like a badge of honor. Bring it with you into your job interview.

[April]

What is she talking about?

[Tim Whitaker]

See, she's talking about throwing away critical thinking. Right?

[April]

Like the whole she says be who you are.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right?

[April]

That doesn't. But not if you're queer.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right. Or a lefty. If you're a Lefty, you can't be that. Yeah.

[April]

Also, like, the persecution kink that Christian nationalists have has definitely. I mean, the concert. The conservatives also think they're persecuted for just being conservative now.

[Tim Whitaker]

Totally. Totally.

[April]

You know, they think, well, conservatives get lower grades in school because they're conservative and professors are liberal and they're targeting them.

[Tim Whitaker]

And it's like, maybe your arguments just suck. Or maybe. Maybe when you take Megan Kelly's advice and don't engage in the task at hand, like, for example, any good professor, whether they're conservative or liberal, is going to want you to think critically about the pros and cons of any economic system. Right. Because they all have them. Like, capitalism has legit critiques that we should be making about the faults in the system. And you can do the same thing with communism and socialism. And people do. They do that. And college. Right. Is where you start being able to learn how to think critically and how to examine your own arguments and look for weaknesses. And Megyn Kelly is like, no, just take the D. Because capitalism is great. It has no flaws, because America. And that's. That's intellectual. You know, fortitude right there. And these students are applauding it.

[April]

Can I. Can I make a. Can I make a cringy confession?

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes.

[April]

This. This is not even in my book.

[Tim Whitaker]

Whoa.

[April]

When I was.

[Tim Whitaker]

Hold on, I'm going back to our wife shot. Then I'm ready.

[April]

When I forgot about this until this moment when I was in graduate school. And granted, this was. This was Pat Robertson school, so this was still a conservative Christian school, but in academia, it is. It is just a fact that the more educated you are, usually you move to the left just because you know more things about things. But when I was in grad school, I was still very Republican, and so we had to write a paper where we took a movie or some sort of fiction and relate it to politics in some way or faith or whatever. So I took the Hunger Games and I related it to the dangers of socialism because socialism was bad and evil. And of course, I could not actually define socialism because my definition of socialism was what Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and everyone had told me. But I literally. I was so passionate. I was like, this is such a good allegory of, like, what happens when you have socialism.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep. Wow.

[April]

But my professor pulled me aside. He was like, april, can you stay for a second? I was like, okay. It was not even on my radar that I was gonna get punished at a conservative Christian school for demonizing socialism. But he, like, pulled me Aside, he was like, hey. He's like, I think you did a good presentation. I understand where you're coming from, but I think you should really look into what socialism actually is. Because there. He's like, there are European countries that have democratic socialism and forms of socialism that are thriving and doing really well. And I just think you could look a little deeper into that. Like, he was actually so kind, but it. It was surprising to me because I was like, what do you mean? You're not just agreeing with the talking points that I just said, but it was a turning point for me. Nope, no pun intended. Because I actually did go back and Google it, because I really respected my professor. And he was right, I was wrong. But he still gave me a good grade because I put a lot of effort into it, even though I was wrong.

[Tim Whitaker]

But I'm surprised that you didn't report your professor for being a secret Marxist infiltrating the Christian school or something. You know, like, you know, you write the dean.

[April]

I made a lot of sense. He made a lot of sense, and he was really kind and. And like, I don't know, he had a lot of grace for me in that moment. And so I was like, okay, I'll. I'll look into it.

[Tim Whitaker]

Thanks for confessing. And you said this was not in your book.

[April]

No, I didn't. I. I didn't include that. Listen, there's a lot of.

[Tim Whitaker]

Do you have a book out? You have a book.

[April]

You know what? I do.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh. Oh, what's it called?

[April]

It's called. It's called Star Spangled Jesus, and it's about my time in Christian nationalism. And you can buy it wherever books are sold.

[Tim Whitaker]

Perfect. I'm so glad to hear that. Thank you for promoting. You're welcome, April. Okay, let's keep. We're 30 seconds into a minute and a half clip.

[April]

Sorry, sorry.

[Tim Whitaker]

No, no, no, it's not you. It's. It's Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk.

[F]

And that will make sure you align with an employer who's right for you.

[Tim Whitaker]

Well, hold on. Let me just restart this clip so we have the context again.

[April]

Yeah, my bad.

[Tim Whitaker]

You're good. You're good. So there's 7,000 people here, most of which are students. What advice do you have for them? Fighting on campus, trying to figure out what they want to do with their life. Let's do a non epstein end to all of this.

[F]

Awesome. Be who you are. Don't pretend you're a lefty in order to win any professor's good humor. He's not worth it. Get your D on your paper because you refuse to argue that capitalism is bad and wear it like a badge of honor. Bring it with you into your job interview, and that will make sure you align with an employer who's right for you.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right?

[F]

Don't say that you support Planned Parenthood the way they want you to. Don't call yourself a feminist because your teacher will give you pats on the head. Stand up for what you really believe in. And that's how we spread the good word. That's how we convert others over to where we stand rather than just get ahead pretending we're with them and then only once we have power tell our true feelings.

[April]

It's.

[F]

It's not worth it. Anybody who came to me with a crappy GPA from one of these elite universities and then showed me all their papers that spoke up for conservatism and America and God faith, I would hire them in an instant over somebody who emerged with a perfect gpa, who went along to get along. That's not a leader. That's a sheep. Don't be like that. Stand up for your beliefs now when it matters.

[Tim Whitaker]

Oh, my God, that's so crazy.

[April]

Are the leftists writing about leftist things not standing up for their beliefs?

[Tim Whitaker]

Well, I. What's funny to me is she's like, you know, don't support Planned Parenthood. Like, wait, are. Do kids go to school and professors are like, look, if you don't support Planned Parenthood, I'm gonna fail you. Like, she, she built a narrative that's out of, like, God's not dead, part one, where there's like this atheist professor who's like, if you, if you don't confess that Planned Parenthood is amazing and if you don't identify as a feminist and if you don't dye your hair blue, you're gonna fail this class. Like, it's, it's. That's what she thinks is happening in college campuses. And by the way, when it comes, she also mentioned. She also mentions God. Many elite universities have robust theological departments that are doing amazing work, especially in the Christian tradition, on how we think about God, what the Bible says about God, how we understand. Like, this idea that these Ivy League universities just hate God is so anti intellectual and so ridiculous, it's crazy.

[April]

They are so close to the point.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, right, right.

[April]

And yet missing it because they're like, these conservatives, they show me their paperwork, they're talk. All these conservative talking points. They get bad grades. Have you thought that maybe they got bad grades because they aren't able to cite their sources in a way that actually back up the propaganda that they're putting in their papers. Assuming we're talking about papers that even have this stuff. Because you're not going to be writing about Planned Parenthood in biology.

[Tim Whitaker]

Like, right?

[April]

Or I don't know, like right. But they're so close to the point and, and you know, where they're like the whole idea of like, well, I don't go, the more educated you are, the more liberal you are. And they say that like it's a bad thing.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right.

[April]

Well, I mean, because they think it's indoctrination. Like, no, it's just education.

[Tim Whitaker]

Maybe the reason, you know. Right. Well, maybe the reason you got a bad grade is because you misrepresented your opponents. Like, you straw manned it. Like how Megan, like how Megyn Kelly just straw man this entire narrative about, about college. Like, this is the thing. They are so much. And again, you're talking. I am someone who, I go to Turning Point USA events, I've been to their pastor summit, I've been to America Fest three years in a row. So I really go to try and understand. And when I tell you the level of straw manning that they participate in, like making the left first of be monolithic, when we obviously know April, it's definitely not. They build this caricature that like the left is, is literally full of childless people who have blue hair and who, I don't know, like, you know, have all these different, they just kind of fill in the most like stereotypical ideas and that's just not the case. And I think a lot of this too is projection because the MAGA movement, aside from the Epstein file situation, is pretty monolithic. It's a lot of conformity, you know, like, hey, you're really going to have these views on these issues. You're going to protect Trump at all costs. You're going to protect the leaders of all. At all costs. You're never going to hold Matt Gaetz accountable. Right. That kind of logic. So they just kind of project that type of structure onto the Democratic Party and the left world when in reality, as someone who's been to the dnc, the Democratic National Convention, leftists and Democrats are completely not unified. Like, no, the leftists were the ones protesting the dnc. I walked through their protests where they were calling DNC years, you know, people complicit in genocide and like, you know, warmongers. So they're not unified at all. The same way that like Republicans and MAGA and your right wing nationalists are unified, but they're just projecting that idea onto their opponents and it's telling.

[April]

Right?

[Tim Whitaker]

And again, it's a complete misrepresentation of how the left operates compared to how they operate.

[April]

Well, because it's all about stereotypes and you're dealing with people that are not charitable when they have these discussions, you know, it's very much in bad faith. They're not actually wanting to have conversations, they're wanting to conquer the conversation. And by being the loudest, the most aggressive, it, we're like you and I, we, we speak. You know, we are not fans of MAGA by any means, but we can also empathize with how someone could become maga. Like, we're not painting, using a broad brush and painting everybody as, as evil and stupid because we know that's not true. There's, there's good people that get swept up in cults and get swept up in different movements and like, I mean everybody is human for the. And they, but they can't see the humanity in a democrat. They only see an enemy.

[Tim Whitaker]

That's why I separate followers from the leaders. Because look, you and I, we played the clips, right? Like whenever I say, hey, at America Festival, there's people engaging in, in the great replacement theory, which is straight out of the kkk. All them play the clip of Charlie Kirk saying this is the great replacement to demonstrate that I'm not straw manning the position. Like, I'm not exaggerating when I say that KKK grand wizard talking points are part of the turning point world. And then I'll cite my source, right? They can't do that because even their most extreme lefty, like for example, maybe, I don't know, never mind. Aoc, you're never going to hear her say things that are the equivalent of what Charlie is saying on the right. Like you're never going to hear her say we have to overthrow the United States government because she's in the government. Like, it's just, it's just not the same. So that's why I always try. And that's even why we do, we do these response videos because we want folks to know that like we're not making our claims up, were actually drawing from firsthand sources at their events, in context from their leaders and what they're talking about, right? So when, when they say that, that Trump is Daddy Trump, it's not some rando on TikTok with two followers that said that, that we're making a big deal of. This was said at, on the stage of the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in front of teenagers. And it's weird. That's why we always bring the sources. Do you want to do a little palate cleanser?

[April]

Oh, please.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. This is Rob Schneider. He is a B list celebrity at this point and you know, he was here to offer some comic relief. So I'm just going to play this in Trigger warning. Fatphobia, I think is fair to say in this, in this clip. So just be aware of that. But here you go, friends. A little palate cleanser from all the politics stuff.

[D]

Thanks to Robert Kennedy, we're learning things that. Things that have been hidden from us for so long.

[Tim Whitaker]

Like what?

[D]

Like Fruit Loops is not good for us. Neither is Coca Cola. But the good news is if you're going to be fat, be fat in America. 32% of Americans are obese. Obese, meaning technically that their body fat is obvious.

[Tim Whitaker]

That's, that's his definition of obese.

[April]

What are we talking about?

[Tim Whitaker]

I can't tell if this is a stand up bit. I can't tell if he's mocking RFK with his comments about Fruit Loops and Coca Cola. I don't know what's going on. But there's more, there's more. I just had to say that his technical definition of obese is their fat is obvious. Okay, thank you, Rob.

[April]

You should be like everybody.

[Tim Whitaker]

But if.

[D]

You'Re going to be fat, be fat in America because you can always feel good about yourself. Because in America, no matter how fat you are, all you have to do is wait four minutes, five tops, before you see somebody that's way fatter than you are.

[Tim Whitaker]

That that person's face says it all, that they got to.

[April]

They don't know if they should be laughing. I honestly don't know what his angle is. I mean, it's like almost LOL positive, which is good. But also it's, it's, he's saying it in a degrading way. I don't know. I don't, I don't even understand the point of what he just said. Lol.

[Tim Whitaker]

Rob, you're, you're. No wonder why you are so busy in Hollywood these days because you're obviously hilarious. And that's, that's great. That's a great bit. I don't know that. So. Okay, well, we can keep moving on. Tucker Carlson was there. Now Tucker has been very interesting because, well, Tucker. See, I think that Tucker is a grifter and I think that he's slowly changing some positions to stay popular. Like his Position on Gaza, for example, Right in the. In kind of like questioning Ted Cruz on Israel. But I don't think he's a good person. This is someone who has platform. Andrew Tate. He has said racist things. However, this clip, apparently it was captioned when the guy you hate the most makes sense. Or something like that. So this is Tucker talking about some stuff that apparently we might find agreement with. So let's find out.

[D]

Like at some point the basic economics really matter. And they matter because not that it's bad that rich people are getting richer, it's bad that everyone else is getting poorer, and it's especially bad the young people can't afford homes. Let me just put a very precise point on this.

[Tim Whitaker]

I try to pause.

[April]

Agree.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay. Yes, yes. I mean, I would argue that the rich didn't get any richer. We have too many billionaires in America. But the point.

[April]

Yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

That the poor are getting poorer is true. And I agree that housing should be affordable. So. Okay, Tucker, where are we going with this?

[D]

If you want a measure of how your economy is doing, I personally favor eliminating GDP as a measure. I don't even know what that is. It's clearly not relevant. They tell me Japan has a stagnant gdp. Have you been to Tokyo? It's the single most radicalizing experience you'll ever have because it's just so nice you lost the war.

[Tim Whitaker]

Really?

[D]

Can we lose a war and wind up like this?

[Tim Whitaker]

Gdp?

[D]

No. I don't know what even that is. The total economic activity. Oh, no, no. My measure is really simple. I got a bunch of kids. Can they afford houses with full time jobs at like 27, 28? And the answer is no way.

[Tim Whitaker]

I agree. How often do I say that? April, how often do I say that?

[April]

Not with Tucker.

[Tim Whitaker]

That was Tucker, not Tim Whitaker saying that. Okay, all right, Tucker, okay, on this point. Continue on.

[D]

And the answer is that 35 year olds with really good jobs can't afford a house unless they stretch and go deep into debt.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes, that's right.

[D]

And I just think that's a total disaster. That's a complete disaster. Why? Two reasons. One, if people don't own things, they don't feel ownership of the country they're in. And the country gets super volatile because people feel like they've got nothing to lose. When you have a lawn, trust me, you're thinking long term. Second, it's really hard to have a family without a house.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes, yes.

[D]

It's like super fun to live in an apartment if, you know there's like a bar downstairs. You're in a cool neighborhood. I'm in East Village.

[Tim Whitaker]

It's so cool. Cool.

[D]

Try to have three kids. You're not going to have three kids there. You can't. Nobody wants to raise their kids in that neighborhood. Nobody wants to raise their kids in an apartment. People do it because they have to. Nobody wants to. People want a little house. Not some McMansion, just a little normal house. That is the actual American dream, and that is what is totally unattainable for young people.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, I. Can I offer some commentary on this? April, do you mind?

[April]

Please, go for it.

[Tim Whitaker]

So, so what Tucker is saying is making. I mean, he's right on this. Well, I, I would say Tucker agrees with people who are right about this. I think a big distinction, though, is that, and I'm, I'm drawing on what Tucker has said in the past about great replacement. The fact that David Duke, the former Grand wizard, wizard of the kkk, has said that he agrees with Tucker Carlson on, you know, the white people getting replaced. So I think that part of his angle is that, and he hasn't said this, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm interpreting with his past statements this piece. I think one of his angles is that white people aren't having as many kids. And part of that reason is because housing is unaffordable and we have to have these people still having kids. And so to make them more likely to have kids, housing should be affordable. So I agree with him on principle of, like, housing should be affordable. But I think the motivation that we have is very different. That's my assessment. Now, I'm not saying Tucker saying that in this clip, but just his history of very racist things around immigration and other types of people. I just think that there's like a dog whistle here, layer of like, well, we know that birth rates are declining for white people, and he's right. It's hard to have a family in an apartment. So the American dream should be, you should be able to own a house affordably at 2735, which will also hopefully cause you to have more children because we're losing the race war. That's why I think deep down is going on with Tucker.

[April]

Just saying, I think that makes sense. I mean, what's that saying? A broken clock gets it right twice a day.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

Like, you can, you can arrive to the same conclusion going a very different problematic path.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. But again, on, on this clip, I mean, he's 100% right so far.

[D]

And so the only young people in General that you will ever meet who have houses are young people whose parents help them and God bless their parents. That's a perfectly great thing to do for your kids. But most people's parents can't afford to do that because they're already in debt from their pointless college degree. So that is a national emergency. And I know that there are certain cable channels are spending all this time talking about, oh, they're about to elect a socialist in New York City, which obviously I'm opposed to it. He's not even a real socialist. He's like a trainee vax, you know, rich kid, liberal guy. Mom, Donnie. He's a fake leftist, but whatever. Why do you think that's happening? One of the reasons it's happening is because normal people with normal jobs no longer believe they can win in this system and that all the money is going to the worst people. And no one even stops to ask what the hell is going on.

[Tim Whitaker]

You know, it's like, yes, sucker. And look at where you're at. You're at an. You're at an event funded by billionaires to espouse pro oligarchy talking points. You guys cheered on the world's greediest man. Gutting. Gutting USAID and gutting the government. Like, what do you think is going to happen? Oh, that's frustrating because, like, he's right on the point. But like, where have you been, dude? Where have you been?

[April]

I. I'm hung up on him saying that Zoran Mamdani is. Is a fake leftist.

[Tim Whitaker]

I.

[April]

What is he talking about?

[Tim Whitaker]

Tucker Carlson is like, he is a really smart propagandist and he will. He will say things like that and people just don't pick up on it. But what is he talking about? Who the hell knows? Who the hell knows? Who knows?

[April]

I don't know.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay, we're running out of time. I wanted to play at least one or two more that I thought were good. I think this one's pretty good. This is Don Jr talking about immigration. Yeah. Here you go. Here you go.

[G]

600,000 criminals. 13,000 murderers. I mean, think about that. 13,000 murderers were let into the country. They knew they were murderers and they let them into the country. 16,000 rapists.

[Tim Whitaker]

Okay?

[G]

Add those together. You know what? 30,000. Let's call it 30,000 murderers and rapists. There's about 4,000 counties in America. Imagine you spread them out, you know, evenly throughout that.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[G]

We'll throw seven murderers or rapists into every county in America. How's that going to work? What's the end game there. And that's what was going on.

[Tim Whitaker]

The end game is Lake and Riley and the end game is Rachel Morin, which is dead people all across the country because of the open border. Okay, so I want to respond to this. Someone actually commented on this clip that Charlie Kirk shared and this person fact checked this whole statement because if you just heard this, you would think that essentially Joe Biden led in over half a million criminals and all these, all this crime happened. Now of course, April, you and I know that statistically undocumented immigrants are half as likely to commit violent crimes or really crimes of any sort as their native born counterparts. So right away we have a discrepancy. But the fact check from the community notes said ICE's 600,000 criminals file spans four decades and mixes old convictions, pending charges and people still behind bars. The 13,000 homicide cases you cite aren't fresh arrivals. They've accumulated nationwide over 40 years with roughly 3,140 counties. That works out to about four homicide cases per county over four decades, not seven new killers marching in tomorrow. Context matters. And I think it's a really good demonstration of how loose and how like just again, anti intellectual and how much they lie about this stuff. Like, like there's context to all of this. We're talking about four decades. And again the amount is negligible, especially when you compare it maybe to crime committed by white men over the past 40 decades, you know, 40 years, Etc. So it's just very evident that again, you're talking to students who don't know any better who are now convinced that their brown skin immigrant neighbor. Right. Is most likely a violent criminal or a rapist. Because Joe Biden and the deep state just want to, want to destroy the country by letting in all of these criminals.

[April]

I mean we already know that they pull. I think the Trump administration and Don Jr. Is very much like his dad in this. They're very similar to a megachurch pastor that loves to boast numbers of like we had 3,000 people gave their life to Christ last week and 850 baptisms and they just kind of round up, you know, to the nearest thousand and no one ever fact checks like there's no way to go back and do that yourself. I mean, and that what he just said, you can fact check because that number doesn't exist in the time frame that he's talking about.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right.

[April]

You're talking about, he's speaking to a room of people who probably for their entire adolescence who are growing up fact checking has been demonized as a tool of leftists.

[Tim Whitaker]

Exactly.

[April]

To demean conservatives. You know, they've been. They've been conditioned that fact checking is bad. And it's not actually fact checking. It's the mainstream media that's. That's giving you lies. And so nobody in that room is going to actually fact check what he says. And I think that is the. One of the biggest problems of the MAGA movement is you have people like Don Jr. And Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk and all of these talking heads on the right that just spew statistics and data and say these quick little sound bites that sound good or terrible, depending on what they're saying. It sounds like, oh, my gosh, if this is true, then we're definitely on the right side.

[Tim Whitaker]

Mm.

[April]

But they're not true. And nobody over there fact checks.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep. This is the world that will still tell you Donald Trump's 2020 election was stolen from him. But they're just. They're not. They're not truth tellers. They're just not. They. They consistently lie about or misrepresent data, like, consistently. And it's so interesting hearing them talk about how the left is indoctrinating children or how elite institutions like, you know, academia is indoctrination. Meanwhile, that's exactly what they're doing to these students. There's no sense of critical thinking. Right. There's. There's no concept of, hey, but don't take my word for it. Fact check these numbers. See that I'm telling you the truth right now. It's, hey, I'm. I'm your epistemology. I'm your source of truth. What I tell you is true. That's how Trump operates. Right. Trump operates in a world where if he says that, his base says it's true, even if it's blatantly false. With the exception of the Epstein files, that's been one of the few times where his own base is turning on him. Right. Because it's so obvious that he did a 180 and then blamed crooked Hillary for writing the files, which is ridiculous. But. But 90% of 99% of the time Trump says the election was stolen. Well, the election was stolen. Trump says that, you know, the deep state did this. The deep state did this. Trump blames the Texas flood on Biden's policies. It's Biden's policies. He is their source of truth. Instead of actual data and evidence and context and nuance and. And an acknowledgement that the world is complicated and that, you know, it's it can be difficult to parse this stuff out. That's not how this world operates. They operate in binaries, good versus evil, right versus wrong, black and white. That's how they think. And that's really appealing to young minds who can't yet fully process nuance and how things can be simultaneously true at the same time. And I think that, I think that's why it's so effective for so many students. And also adults who just have a, for whatever reason are more predisposed to very simple answers, very boiled down answers. Right. They have a narrative that goes like this. Immigrants are rooting the country. That's it. It's just that simple. But there's so much behind that that they haven't thought about. So, yeah, it's just, I don't know, I felt like it was, it was worth us kind of going through just to kind of give the audience a sense of what is being taught to young people in this movement, whether it's Daddy Trump or that over half a million immigrants are all criminals. You know, that came into Biden's open borders. It's, it's, it's hogwash.

[April]

Yeah. Those indoctrination claims is just projection. The call is coming from inside the house. And I'm saying that as someone who was indoctrinated by right wing propaganda, same.

[Tim Whitaker]

I listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity almost every day and Ben and these people are convincing.

[April]

They say it with their whole chest. You know, you just don't think that someone would blatantly lie to you, especially when you were raised in like with Christianity is also involved because you're taught morality like we tell the truth and we're the good guys. So you just, you never think twice about it, especially if you're raised in it from a child. You know, your parents are your heroes, your pastor's your hero. You look at all these people as people that you should be able to trust. So you never once think these people that I love and trust would lie to me. And I do think a lot. In a lot of the cases, the parents are, don't realize they are lying to their children because they also believe it 100%.

[Tim Whitaker]

I don't think that, you know, the people who told me to listen to Russia's involved were intentionally trying to mislead me. I think that they saw Rush as a truth teller. Right. I think that they saw Rush as someone who was exposing the drive by media, as he called it, and their lies. And I think the same thing goes for People in this world. I think that people think that Charlie Kirk would never lie to them, that Trump would never lie to them, that Trump really cares about them. And, you know, that's why I can hold space for both of, like, on an individual level, the need to have the conversations with young people and MAGA supporters. That's. That hope. It tries to break through that while also being very vocal and bold to the leaders of the movement on, you know, shows like this, where we just say, no, that's like, you're lying to people. Stop it, and you're not telling the truth. And I think. I think that's what really kills me is it's. It's really jarring to grow up in a environment that is so obsessed with truth telling, whether it's the truth of the gospel or the truth of the Bible or the truth of whatever it is, only to find out that so much of their truth telling was built on, like, half truths or propaganda or, or, or. Or pseudo apologetics or pseudo politics or science. Right. That's what's so difficult. The same people who tell us that climate change isn't a real thing also want us to believe that they're telling the truth around immigration or transgender folks. It's wild.

[April]

It is wild. Was there another clip you wanted to show, or are we. Are we good?

[Tim Whitaker]

I think that's good. I mean, that kind of sums it up. They had Russell Brand speak. He said a bunch of nothing. I just think the only point I wanted to highlight was that again, Russell Brand is facing not accusations, but legal charges by the UK police for sexual assault.

[April]

What is he talking about? Like, what was the point of his speech?

[Tim Whitaker]

It was on. The clip I have is just him talking about freedom. I can play it just. It's kind of a bunch of nothing. I mean, it's like it's literally 37 seconds. So if you want to hear, I'll play it here. It was just here. Here you go. I actually like your man who said, give me liberty or give me death.

[D]

Since the dawn of your country.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah. There's been an ongoing dialectic, you might call it, about what freedom represents. I suppose you young people believe very strongly in freedom. Yes, I suppose. Does freedom mean the ability and right to pursue our own will? Does it mean freedom to pursue our petty desires? Or does it mean freedom from our petty desires? There you go. That's the clip I have.

[April]

So is he even an American citizen?

[Tim Whitaker]

I don't think so. I would. Maybe he.

[April]

I don't think so either. I mean, I Tried to Google it really quickly. I mean, I know he was married to Katy Perry.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah.

[April]

So I don't know if that means he gets some sort of like naturalized citizenship being married, but they're not married anymore.

[Tim Whitaker]

According to AI, as of July 15, Russell Brand is not a US citizen. So.

[April]

That'S just so weird that they would have someone speak at Turning Point, that's all about America first and American citizens, and then they would platform someone who's not, not, not an American citizen.

[Tim Whitaker]

So he moved though, to the U.S.

[April]

So how is he living here and not being deported?

[Tim Whitaker]

I don't know how that works. But he did move to the US in the beginning of this year, right when the charges came. And you know, it just seems like he's trying to avoid maybe some accountability for his alleged crimes.

[April]

Yeah, it would seem that way.

[Tim Whitaker]

Hey, you know, hey, Charlie, Kirk's like, dude, why don't you speak to a bunch of students who are underage? Because that makes sense.

[April]

Just.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yeah, it just again, like they, they don't care about the values they claim to care about.

[April]

Yeah. And they also don't care about the someone's credentials. Talk about dei. Like they don't care about actually having the skill set or having any sort of message to speak on the stage of Turning Point. Because what does Russell Brand have to offer other than he's right wing now and can regurgitate the exact same topic? That's it.

[Tim Whitaker]

That's it. He's in. He, he's a draw for young people who might like him. So just for Context, as of April 4, 2025, British police charged Russell Brand with grape and sexual assault following an 18 month investigation sparked when four women allegedly been assaulted by the controversial comedian. He Brand, who's 50, faces one count of grape, one of indecent assault, one of oral grape and two of sexual assault. So those are the charges that he's facing. Again, like how do you have someone on your stage talking to minors who has those charges? Like he, he. Those are, those are not hearsay. Like, those are active charges.

[April]

He hasn't gone to trial. They have not ruled him innocent.

[Tim Whitaker]

Right, right. Like what did you want to play it safe, Charlie? Like, think about it. There are so many other people who were in the right wing world with a huge draw other than Russell Brand. And yet you still choose to have Russell Brand, who has four women who came forward alleging assault that, that, that the British police found credible enough to charge him with several counts of assault, sexual assault.

[April]

And like you have now, that's what I don't get.

[Tim Whitaker]

I don't like. What happened to grooming? I thought you were afraid of people grooming your kids. I thought you were afraid of sexual perversion. I thought you were so concerned about, you know, a biblical worldview of marriage being between one man and one woman. Not to mention they had Jillian McMichaels there who was married to a woman. So do you actually care about these principles? Sorry, did I say McMichaels? Jillian Michaels. You did, yeah. The fitness influencer. Sorry, she's married to a woman. She's a lesbian. She spoke there and no one bats an eye.

[April]

I don't understand, but they're mad at Clip and Joanna Gaines for featuring a gay couple on their.

[Tim Whitaker]

I can't. Or they. Or. Or. And they want to turn. They want to overturn a burger fell. But also, how is Jillian Michaels speaking at these events knowing that most people in that room want her right to be married to her partner overturned.

[April]

I don't understand it at all. I don't get it.

[Tim Whitaker]

I don't get it. I don't get it. Anyway, that's for a different discussion. But yeah, I don't know, I thought it'd be good to go through some of those and bring it to folks attention that this is happening every year.

[April]

Young people.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[April]

Gosh, yeah.

[Tim Whitaker]

Well, I don't know. Friends maybe. Leave a comment, tell us what you think. I like doing response videos. They're fun. They're. They're. It's always a good time, you know, pulling clips and stuff, but.

[April]

Oh, and then. So just a friendly, fun reminder, I guess. So this is going to air Monday the 21st. So July 23rd, which is a Wednesday, is when Shiny Happy People Season 2 drops on Amazon prime. And you may see a familiar face.

[Tim Whitaker]

Love it. That's exciting. That's exciting. And we have some content planned for that after it drops. So make sure to watch the show.

[April]

Yes, please do.

[Tim Whitaker]

Sweet.

[April]

All right, everybody, have a great day. Yeah, like subscribe. Review.

[Tim Whitaker]

Yes. Yep. I'm Tim Whitaker.

[April]

I'm April. Ajoy.

[Tim Whitaker]

See ya.