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45. "Just a Bunch of Holes?" Christian Nationalist Men Expose Their Hatred of Women
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The Tim and April show where we unravel faith, politics and culture. Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Tim and April Show. I am April Ajoy.
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I am Tim Whitaker.
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And we know that we are not live with you all today. We are pre recording this to drop at our usual live time on Thursdays because we didn't want to just skip a day. It felt weird. It felt weird.
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B
Weird. I know. I'm so used to doing it, but it just worked out schedule wise. I had an event to go to. You worked the whole month of August by yourself. It made no sense to have you do another guest spot. So we said let's just take the week off live. But we come to you from the past, now the present with a shorter episode. We're going to just do a few quick things today including our weird Christian belief. We we know how much you all love that. We love doing that. So today we're going to just do a quick response to one of the worst videos we've ever seen.
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A
Sorry I haven't watched the whole thing. I know, trigger warning. I watched a little bit of it. I was like, I'm going to save this and watch it.
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B
This was real bad. I was kind of shocked when you're like, yeah, let's do it. I'm like, did you watch this? You said, not yet. I'm like, okay, well, I guess we'll do it this way.
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A
I watched the first, like, 10, 15 seconds, and I was like, oh, yeah, we should. Let's watch it. So can you set it up? Who are these people?
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B
Okay, so we're going to watch a video. This guy's name is Elijah Schaefer. Let me just say, like, so he started out on the Blaze Network. That's Glenn Beck's thing.
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And.
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And he has just drifted into. Just straight up, like, neo Nazi.
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What did you say his name was?
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Elijah Schaefer. I've covered him before. You know, he's incredibly racist. He's incredibly misogynistic. And on this clip, he's actually interviewing someone named Joel Webbin. Now, if you know who he is, he is a pastor, and he just says the most, you know, wild things that you ever heard. The reason why we're sharing this, though, is because I was. Here's what I was thinking, April. You know, a lot of the times we are talking about Christian nationalism and what's happening now. I want to show you where Christian nationalists want to take us if we keep on the path that we're on. Because I know it's crazy to hear that there are people even more extreme than Doug Wilson or Lance Wall now or Mark Driscoll, but there are, and we're going to hear from one of them and the host of a show who's more extreme as well. Because I want people to understand what is coming our way if we keep letting it unfold the way that it is.
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Okay. And I just want to say, too, I quickly Googled it just because I was curious. Elijah Schaefer was fired by Glenn Beck on the Blaze over an sexual assault accusation. The allegation was that he groped a colleague's breasts without her consent.
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Wow.
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That's. That's the. That's when he was fired over that allegation.
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Yeah. Okay. And also, Joel Webbing, who we're gonna listen to in a second, is a pastor who was, from what I've read on the Internet, which, by the way, this is alleged. I'll just say that was alleged to have engaged in a very long affair as a pastor, was unrepentant and moved on and then started doing social Media content to gain, like, a whole new audience. So these are not good people.
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But Joel Webbing seriously looks like a. Like one of those commanders in the Handmaid's Tale. Like, he gives off that vibe.
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Totally. And I think that's intentional. I mean, this guy has said things like, we want to go to every CVS and take every piece of birth control off the shelf and flush down the toilet. We want to imprison, you know, atheists. Like, this guy's. He's. I don't say the word extreme lightly because look at what's currently taking over our politics. So anyway, this is like a minute and a half clip. And again, trigger warning. Incredible dehumanization. Incredible misogyny. But I just want to give you guys a taste of what is to come if we don't nip this Christian nationalist thing in the bud, because this is the future and it should terrify us. Here we go.
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A lot of women ask me, you know, does Elijah Schaefer hate women? And the answer, of course, is yes. Who doesn't?
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No.
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I'm totally kidding. Okay?
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But.
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But I say no. Like, I hate. I hate what women have become. And I do hate it when. When women expect men in society to uphold the natural masculine tendencies. Meaning women are literally going after the top 10% of men, which are what kind of men? Saw a tweet that said this? It's like, it's crazy on 20, 25 to pull bitches, you literally have to be like a millionaire, six foot seven, have a drive a Lamborghini. And like, that's who, like, you know, I mean, like, and be white. And it's like. Yeah, so women are still going after men that emulate the most masculine tendencies, right? They're going after tall, rich, famous men. And then, and what do we get? The, the, the, the, the women, they're just. They can't even cook a hot Pocket, you know? So it's, it's, it's like. And that's why once you have sex with them, once you come, you come to your senses, right? So it's like you have that, that, that post ejaculate clarity. Post, not clarity, they call it on online these days. But, like, because you realize, like, after you nut, you're like, you're just a bunch of holes. And that's really sad because then it devalues women. So your view of women becomes so low because women really are just a bunch of holes today. But that doesn't mean that's who they have to be or who God made Them to be or what they should be. And I think that a lot of the hatred that I have towards women and a lot of the hatred a lot of men have towards women is simply the product of generations of sin and rebellion that have created women to be something that they're not. They're not feminine. They're masculine.
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I told you, it's a bad one. I told you it's a horrible clip. I know. I wasn't lying. It's one of the worst ones I've ever heard. It's horrific.
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Honestly, I think I'm most impressed by one. The audacity, but just the.
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Yes.
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The cognitive dissonance someone like that has to have. Where you're complaining that women don't want you because women only go for whatever he deems the top 10% of men, whatever that means.
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All rich in something like that.
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Right. Women only. Which. Which I know. Women. Hello, I am one. I always went for someone who could make me laugh. Like, was number one. And I, I, that is true for so many women. If you can make a woman laugh.
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Yep.
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Like that. That is priceless.
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Sarah likes shorter men. I'm kind of the. I'm like, the person that she usually doesn't go for is. I'm six foot four. Like, she, you know, historically likes men who are shorter, not taller. Yeah, but go ahead, Elijah, tell us.
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But even, like, the generalization of, like, all women want this type of. But then you're complaining because he's clearly not the type that he thinks women want. He's complaining that women don't want him, and then in the next sentence says women are just holes.
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Yep. Yep.
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And he can't figure out why women don't want him. Hello. Like, he just, he just announced to all women that not only is he a misogynistic pig, but he's stupid. He's a stupid misogynistic pig. And I feel like I can say that. I don't think that's dehumanizing. I think that accurately describes what he just said.
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I was gonna call him a stupid misogynistic because I feel like that's also accurate of who he is as a person.
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A
What I just said might have been insulting to pigs because pigs are actually very intelligent creatures.
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Yes, yes. No, for sure.
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So I apologize to the pigs.
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They forgive you. I'll pass it on. No, I mean, this is. Look, the way that he talks about women is so gross. It's so dehumanizing. And he even says at the end that, you know, like, that, that the reason why men hate women is because of, like, sin and rebellion. And I would expect him to go from there to, like, because we have to, like, soften our hearts as men and not be so hateful. But no, he blames women still. He's like, because of them. Like, everything is everyone else's fault. Right? He can't get. Or people like him, I guess, can't get married because women are terrible, because society is terrible. They're just the victims. These. These white men are just the victims of society and of women.
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It's very curious how Joel Webbin, who is a pastor. A pastor, responded to that. Like, I would imagine he didn't call him out on me.
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No, no, no, no. He agreed. I mean, there's a. There's a longer cut. And again, I just this. Maybe we could do a part two if people really want it. But, like, it's. It's not good stuff. It's. It's. Joel Webbing agrees. And don't forget, by the way, you know. You know what annoys me? These people are like, the ones who are like, oh, we shouldn't swear. We shouldn't. We. You know, we. We have to talk purely. And then Elijah just uses the most crass, vulgar terminology you ever heard in every way. And Joel doesn't even, like, bat his eye. And, like, somehow that's okay. So. So they can be crass, they can be gross. They can use the most dehumanizing language possible to describe woman, and that's fine. But you know, on the left, if someone says the wrong word, oh, they're so vile. They're so disgusting. Oh, they're so gross. They.
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They.
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They swear like that. It just. It's so frustrating. And again, these are people who are power hungry. They believe that God has given them a unique calling to rule over everyone else. And. And this is how they view women, and this is how stupid they are. Right? I mean, they're obviously hateful. They're obviously gross. And they're like, I don't get it. Women don't like me, as I call them holes. Like, I wonder why, Elijah, I really wonder why women don't like you.
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I know.
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Take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
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Bro does not take a rocket science. I was just curious. I'm trying to see how big of a following he has.
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Yeah, I think he's on Rumble, which is like.
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Is that. I don't know. I'm not really familiar with Rumble.
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It's. It's like the alt right of YouTube, and it's humongous.
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Oh, that makes sense.
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He has 66, 000 followers on Instagram. That's nothing to sneeze at.
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No.
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Especially given what he says, Right? It's wild. It's wild that we're here. This is. This is. By the way, you're never going to see right wing commentators call this out. You're never going to see Alice do a whole segment on Elijah Schaefer or Joel Webbing. She ain't never going to do it. Why? Because ultimately this is this. She's in the same waters that they are. Maybe not that far downstream, but like, that's where it leads long term. She's too busy calling out Chip and Joanna Gaines for having a gay couple on their show than she is to talk about about what Elijah Schaefer says about women. Gross, dehumanizing, disgusting things about women and how those kinds of men are reaching other men that most likely are Christian in some capacity. This is. I mean, people. God, it's just like, if you're a woman, do not get married in the white evangelical church. There's a good chance your future partner is listening to horseshit like that and thinks that somehow, you know, he's obligated or that you're obligated to give him your body, and that's all your fault, even though he's the dick in the relationship.
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So it looks like he's got 63,000 followers on rumble and 10,000 subscribers on YouTube and then thousands of subscribers on various other 200,000 on Facebook.
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You know who was on his show a few years ago?
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Who?
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Mark Driscoll.
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That doesn't surprise me.
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Mark Driscoll called him a brother.
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He just uses a username when he says. Really? He was like, not a. Not a username. What is the word? A pseudonym. He's a pseudonym. When he gets nasty about women.
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He's gross. But he still does he. I think, I think he called him a brother in a post. Yeah, here it is.
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I mean, of course he's still up.
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It's still up. This is from three years ago. Pull it up here. Just people can see it. It's a little small.
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A
Did you see oh, my God.
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On Bartra School's YouTube channel?
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Oh, these men. And Marshall has hundreds of thousands, maybe even a million now of three years ago.
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Three years ago. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, these people are really freaking close to, like, mainstream white evangelicalism. Mark Driscoll has a million followers on Instagram now.
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Can I say Michael Driscoll, five Days ago, posted this on thread.
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Michael Driscoll.
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Sorry, Mark Driscoll. Did I say Mike Driscoll?
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Yeah, you said Mike Driscoll.
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I didn't mean to say that. Mark Driscoll posted this on threads 5 days ago. Men, if you're not the head of your household, Satan is. These men, I do think men just hate women. Like, they. They're always with their bros, talking about, oh, women, women. This like, oh, they're just holes of their penis homes. Like, you can't trust them. They like, what I don't even understand. Why do y' all even want to marry a woman you clearly hate? Like, that's the. Like that's more gay than gay people even.
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It is ridiculous. These men are weak. They are pathetic, insecure little boys who are trying to get validation because they have daddy issues. That's what this is. That's what this. We have to be truth tellers here, April. These are insecure little man children. And somehow they think that society owes them the world and owes them power and owes them control and that women just have to bow down to their women. Call them the greatest thing that ever happened since sliced bread. This is the delusion they live in. And I mean that capital D delusion.
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A
They want to be kings of, like, their household. They're. They're like playing off this, like, kingdom fantasy world that's just not real. And they think way too highly of themselves.
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They haven't done any emotional work. They haven't done. They have. Their. Their emotional intelligence is. Is. Is as low. It's as dumb as a rock. They are. They are arrogant, they are prideful, they are condescending. They rely on belittling others, especially women, to make themselves big.
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Yeah.
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That's what they do. That's what they do. And. And they. And they're in this little incel group complaining that they can't get, you know, or that. That they. That they can't get married or they can't, you know, find a woman. And they're complete assholes and they can't even see it. I mean, Elijah, is that what he just said was so terrible? What woman would ever want to come within a mile of that man, given what he just said, right?
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And women are just polls. He just should just get a blow up doll if that's all women are.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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Save women the trouble.
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Yeah, it's gross. Anyway, I mean, I know it's a bad clip, but we wanted to share it, I guess, in our absence of our usual life.
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Yeah. Happy Thursday, everybody.
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Happy Thursday.
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We do have something a little more light hearted for our final segment if you want to go to that Christian.
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QSL.
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So this guy I think I know on TikTok, he's. He's Jenkins. He talks a lot about deliverance from demons. It's like his entire platform. He has like a hundred some thousand followers on TikTok. I haven't looked elsewhere if he's on other platforms. Every post is similar to this because I went and looked at some others because someone tagged me in this. Anyway, so speaking of misogyny, I, you know, there's that phrase, you know, where they, they didn't burn witches, they burned women. Right? Because I feel like men in all of history, like what we're seeing today, this misogyny is not new. Men have always demonized basically everything about women. If a woman was too smart, she was demonic. If a woman had an orgasm, she was demonic. If a woman wanted to to be single forever, she was a witch and therefore demonic and needed to be burned at a stake. So like, this is, this is nothing new.
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If she's too pretty, it was her fault. If she's too ugly, it's her fault. No matter what, it's always her fault. Yeah.
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A
Yes. So this guy, I gotta be honest, this was a new one for me. I live for these satanic panic sort of videos and this guy brought satanic panic to a woman's menstruation.
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B
Are we playing the whole thing? Are we gonna pause? What do you want to do here?
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A
I think I watched the whole thing and he kind of repeats himself. But let's, let's watch like the first little bit and then we can pause and we can see if his explanation ends up making any sense.
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B
This is not satire, right?
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No, it's not.
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Okay, so I make sure. Here we go. I'm not seeing this. This is, this is my blind reaction now.
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D
Every spirit that has came through demonic tampons, leave by fire right now in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Every spirit that has came through demonic tampons, leave by fire. By fire right now. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ, we uproot you, we scatter you, we torment you. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ. You will no longer use our monthly cycle blood to for evil. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ, I command you to come up and come out right now in Jesus name. Every spirit that has came through any kind of tampons that is not of God, we command you to leave be uprooted by fire right now in Jesus name real Any of you spirits that is tied to the womb because of this, we command you to lead by fire. We command you to come up and lead by fire. You will not be tied to our wombs. You will not deny our calling. You will not deny babies. In the mighty name of Jesus, we command you to come up and come out by fire. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ. The Bible says, submit to God, resist the devil and he shall flee. Jesus will manifest it so that the works of Satan shall be destroyed. Deuteronomy 9:3. It is the Lord that go before us that that destroy our enemy as a consuming fire. Come up and come out by fire right now. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Every tampon, Father, I pray that you will reveal which ones that they should be using. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ, Lord, I pray that if anybody that's been that had these dreams and they're just like too scared to come or embarrassed to come forth, I pray that they will come forth right now in the name of Jesus and tell the experience you say that we will overcome them by the testimony in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. So, Lord, I pray right now, Father God, Lord, that everyone that you've been given this dream to, and they may have not understand it, we cancel those blood covenants right now. We break the blood covenants in every time zone, in every dimension, past, present and future. And we also destroy the altars by fire right now. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ, we command you to come up and come out. You will not stay. Every facet of our life that you have been placed in to cause us trouble and turmoil, we uproot you. We from the roots right now by fire. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ. In Jesus mighty name, we pray. Amen. Amen.
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B
I, I have so many questions. How many likes does this video have?
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A
I don't know if it has one.
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B
It's one too many, in my opinion.
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It does have some likes. I will say it went viral. Most, most of the comments that I saw were like, What? It has almost 4, 000 likes.
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B
I, I, how about the music behind it? That pad?
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It's like, honestly, that is such a proof of like, how music can be manipulative. Because this, this man is saying some, some nonsense. But there was like a few moments where it's like, yeah, where it's like, oh, he's, he's, he, he sounds, it sounds okay.
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B
And like, didn't he pray at one point for you to find the right one to use?
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A
Right? That's what I want to know. Like, how do you know if a tampon is holy or not? Is it like, where, where do, how do you, how can you tell if a tampon is demonic or if it's like, do we need to start taking our tampons to be blessed?
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B
Right? Like, what do you do? How do you, how do you know you don't want to have a demon in one of them?
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A
And, like, you know, kept saying by fire. And I'm really hoping that's metaphorical, like, holy spirit fire and not literal flames, because. Ow.
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B
Right? Like lighting a tampon on fire. Oh, God, no, no, that sounds horrible. I, I, I mean, I'm speechless today on this one. Wow. That's on the Internet and it's not.
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A
It is on the Internet. No, it's not. AI this is this, this guy. I went and looked at the comments and he was liking the ones that were like, yeah, you can never be too careful, brother.
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B
This.
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A
And of course, I mean, a lot of people are roasting him.
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B
Well, as, I mean, look, I'm not, I'm not a huge fan of, like, shame culture, but, like, sometimes you gotta be told, like, dude, you off track here. What wasn't. Was it Cameron, who's the person from Full House who's like, full on? Is it.
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A
Oh, Candace. Cameron Burr.
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B
Thank you, Candace. Cameron. Didn't she kind of go viral for talking about how there's, like, there's, like, demons that come through your TV and that's why she has movies in Hollywood. It's that same kind of thing where, like, everything is demonic, everything is a demon.
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A
That's why everything is satanic. I mean, what he's saying is not any weirder than what a lot of Christians say about spiritual warfare. The Hocus Pocus mom out of Texas. When Hocus Pocus 2, which went straight to Disney plus, came out, there was this mom who went super viral on Facebook because she said that Hocus Pocus would unleash hell onto your children and that basically demons would come through the tv. There was another pastor that said the same thing about the Barbie movie, that demons were attached to the Barbie movie and would come on whoever watched it. Like, what he's saying is a genuine belief. I've never heard it about tampons.
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B
No, that's true.
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A
It makes just as much sense as any other thing.
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B
No, totally. Did you ever see the that It's a mega viral clip of the woman who was going through the monster can. It was explaining how monster was a mark of the beast and Going through the whole can. Like how everything represents demons. Did you ever see that video?
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A
Yes. With 666.
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B
Yes.
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A
Yes. Yeah.
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B
It's like that. You're reading into everything, right? Everything is satanic, everything is demonic. Everything's part of like. Of like this. This secret cabal. That's why there's a link. There's actual, like, data link between evangelicalism and conspiracy theories because you're primed to see the world in like, a very conspiratorial way. So it's not a far jump to go from there's demon, there's demons and tampons to hey, Wayfair is selling cabinets that are really overpriced. I bet they're selling children. Like, it's not a far stretch to go from point A to point B. Your mind's already primed for it.
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A
Exactly. That's why. That's why I. I just believe he believes that. That stuff.
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B
No, he definitely does.
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A
But I know. I know men. I know people. Like, I grew up Pentecostal, so we were very demon happy. Like, the people in my church, like, Pokemon, you could get a demons from collecting Pokemon cards. Like, you could just get demons so easily. And that's why that was kind of like always my question, like, how can we get demons so easily? But, like, what if I watch something holy? Can angels come through the tv? Or is that specifically a demon ability.
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B
Like, unique demon demon feature, you know? Like, angels can't do that. Only, like, angels are just pounding on the tv. We can't get through. And demons are like, yeah, here we go. Right?
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A
Like, they give Satan so much more power than God when they claim God is the one that's all powerful and is control of God. But. But they're faith over fear. But be careful which tampons you pick.
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B
I think what's weird, though, is that this person, like, most likely does not menstruate. Right? So. So, like, given.
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A
I don't. I do not think he's a trans man.
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B
Right. So I.
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What I.
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So what I want to know is. What I want to know is, like, what made you think of that in particular? Like, I mean, I don't really think a whole lot about whole.
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His finding new things to pray deliverance over.
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But tampons, I mean, dude, he had.
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Another video that I almost sent you where he was praying for deliverance for people that got demonstrated from drinking breast milk from someone who is not their Mom.
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Stop it.
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100%.
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B
April. I really don't like it here anymore. Like, I don't like it. I don't like it. I. We should have went live. We should have went live today and just ignored all of that and did something else.
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Yeah.
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B
Okay. Well, there you go, friends. There's some weird Christian bleep for you.
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A
No. Good looking out. Maybe there is a tampon out there with the demon.
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B
For those of you who. Who use tampons, watch out for those tampons.
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A
Just sometimes my cramps. Sometimes my cramps do feel demonic, so that's fair.
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B
That's.
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He might have a point there. If his little prayer can get my cramps to go away. Ooh, I'm gonna call my tampon demon, Krampus.
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B
Well, the next time you have your cramps, you should watch that video and, you know, plead the blood of Christ over them and see if it works.
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Or get a candle so I can uproot the demon by flame.
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B
Well, just keep it far away from you. Don't put anywhere.
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Please don't do that. Please do not do that at home.
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B
Don't do that.
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A
Fire safety is important.
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B
We're just kidding, friends. Okay, well, there you go. A little short episode. Something to hopefully hold you all over until we come back live next Thursday. Don't forget, April will not be here. I'll be here with a special guest. And then after that, we go live, of course, back on YouTube, but also with a brand new audience over at Lincoln Square Media. So really excited for that. So, yeah. All right, April. Well, this was. I mean, I wouldn't call it a fun episode, but it was an eventful episode to say the least.
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Yes, eventful is a word for it.
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Love that. We'd love your thoughts in the comments, friends. Make sure to give this video a like, subscribe to the channel. We want to hit 10,000 subs. That's our new goal. It will help get this message out to more and more people. I'm Tim Whitaker.
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And I'm April. A joy.
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B
See you next week.
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Bye.