The Tim & April Show | Episode 45: "Just a Bunch of Holes?" Christian Nationalist Men Expose Their Hatred of Women

Date: September 11, 2025
Hosts: April Ajoy & Tim Whitaker
Podcast Network: The New Evangelicals

Episode Overview

In this shorter, pre-recorded episode, hosts Tim and April respond to an alarming viral clip featuring Christian nationalist commentator Elijah Schaefer and pastor Joel Webbin. The pair dissect the video’s deeply misogynistic rhetoric as a warning of where unchecked Christian nationalism can lead, spotlighting extreme yet increasingly visible attitudes toward women in certain religious-political circles. The episode closes with a lighter but equally baffling “Weird Christian Belief” segment involving a viral prayer against "demonic tampons." Throughout, Tim and April use sharp humor and candid discussion to unravel how faith is weaponized against women, connecting fringe talking points to trends in mainstream evangelicalism.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Highlight Extremist Rhetoric?

• Tim contextualizes why they’re reacting to Elijah Schaefer and Joel Webbin, stating these represent the logical endpoint of unchecked Christian nationalism (04:14).
• Importance of recognizing “how extreme the movement can get” and sounding the alarm before these views further mainstream.

2. The Elijah Schaefer Video: Breakdown & Reactions

• Clip Content (06:00–07:30):
  • Schaefer states (joking, then “not joking”) that he hates what women have become, attributing his and other men’s “hatred” of women to a supposed degeneration from femininity to masculinity.
  • Uses explicit, degrading language: “after you nut, you’re like, you’re just a bunch of holes... women really are just a bunch of holes today.”
• Hosts’ Reactions:
  • April immediately points out the “audacity” and “cognitive dissonance” behind blaming women for men’s own attitudes and failings.
  • Tim highlights the hypocrisy of these “purity culture” men using “the most crass, vulgar terminology.”
  • Both emphasize how such toxic attitudes are propped up by Christian nationalist, patriarchal teachings.
  • April: “Not only is he a misogynistic pig, but he’s stupid. He’s a stupid misogynistic pig. ... I apologize to the pigs.” (09:00)
  • Tim: “He’s obviously hateful... and they’re like, I don’t get it, women don’t like me as I call them holes.” (11:08)

3. Dangerous Normalization & Proximity to Mainstream Evangelicalism

• Schaefer’s and Webbin’s influence:
  • Tim lays out their platforms (Rumble, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook)—not insignificant numbers.
  • Connection to big names: Mark Driscoll (a million+ followers) has called Schaefer “a brother” (13:24).
  • April: “These people are really freaking close to mainstream white evangelicalism.” (14:13)
• Critique of selective outrage in right-wing circles:
  • April and Tim note the silence from mainstream right-wing commentators on such extreme misogyny.
  • Tim: “She’s too busy calling out Chip and Joanna Gaines for having a gay couple on their show than she is to talk about what Elijah Schaefer says about women.” (12:05)

4. Roots of Misogyny in Religious Spaces

• April: “Men have always demonized basically everything about women. If a woman was too smart, she was demonic. If a woman had an orgasm, she was demonic... this misogyny is not new.” (17:28)
• Both hosts highlight the enduring scapegoating and dehumanization of women in the name of “religion” and “tradition.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Elijah Schaefer (Guest video, 06:00–07:30):
  • “After you nut, you’re like, you’re just a bunch of holes. And that’s really sad because then it devalues women. So your view of women becomes so low because women really are just a bunch of holes today.”
• April (incredulous):
  • “He just announced to all women that not only is he a misogynistic pig, but he’s stupid... I apologize to the pigs.” (09:00)
• Tim (on the right’s double standard):
  • “They can be crass, they can be gross... that’s fine. But you know, on the left, if someone says the wrong word—oh, they’re so vile.” (11:08)
• April (satirical reflection):
  • “Why do y'all even want to marry a woman you clearly hate? Like, that's more gay than gay people even.” (15:06)
• Tim (diagnosing the roots):
  • “These men are weak. They are pathetic, insecure little boys who are trying to get validation because they have daddy issues.” (15:12)

Segment Breakdown & Timestamps

[02:11–03:01] Episode Introduction & Set-Up

• Hosts explain pre-recorded format and introduce their main topic—reaction to an “extreme” misogynistic video from the Christian nationalist fringe.

[03:15–05:59] Who Are Elijah Schaefer and Joel Webbin?

• The backgrounds of both men are explained: Schaefer fired from The Blaze for sexual misconduct; Webbin’s alleged unrepentant affair.

[06:00–07:30] The Viral Misogynistic Clip

• Audio is played on-air. Content shocks both hosts.

[07:37–16:52] Host Deconstruction & Cultural Analysis

• April and Tim unpack the mindset, hypocrisy, and danger exposed in the clip.
• Discussion extends to the alarming overlap between these fringe views and larger evangelical celebrity platforms.

[17:16–26:34] "Weird Christian Belief" – Demonic Tampons

• April introduces a viral video of an influencer praying against “demonic tampons” (starting at 18:51).
  • Clip is played for analysis and disbelief.
  • April: “I feel like men in all of history... have always demonized basically everything about women.” (17:28)
  • Hosts connect these beliefs to a history of policing female bodies and fueling spiritual conspiracy thinking within evangelicalism.
  • Tim jokes: “I don’t really think a whole lot about—whole... (tampons).” (25:49)
  • April: “If his little prayer can get my cramps to go away, ooh, I’m gonna call my tampon demon, Krampus.” (26:52)

Flow, Tone, and Style

• Tone: Sharp, incredulous, humorously exasperated, yet rooted in advocacy and awareness.
• Style: Conversational, candid, and heavily reliant on direct personal reflection and critique; frank language used to mirror the gravity and absurdity of the discussed content.
• Engagement: Segments are well-paced, with hosts balancing outrage, laughter, and education.

Final Thoughts

Tim and April wield this episode as a sounding board and warning against the real, present dangers of Christian nationalism’s patriarchal undercurrents. By exposing the raw, unfiltered misogyny echoed in viral right-wing religious media—and connecting it to centuries-old patterns of demonizing and policing women—the hosts challenge listeners to recognize the connections between fringe extremism and broader evangelical culture. Their satirical yet serious take on “Weird Christian Beliefs” reveals the absurd lengths to which spiritual rhetoric can go, particularly concerning women’s bodies.

Key Takeaways for Listeners:

• Fringe misogynistic rhetoric is not as distant from mainstream evangelical spaces as some may think.
• There is a historical pattern of demonizing women in religious language and practice.
• Critical engagement and vocal opposition are needed to halt the normalization of this hate speech.
• Absurd beliefs (“demonic tampons”) can become genuinely influential in certain online Christian subcultures.
• Humor and critique are powerful tools for processing and pushing back against dehumanizing ideologies.