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April
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Tim
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Tim
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Tim
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Robert Morris
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Tim
Oh, hi.
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Robert Morris
Hi.
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April
Hello, podcast. Yeah, I was actually calling to make sure that we are dropping the podcast today because I'm about to put it on my story and I don't want to.
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Robert Morris
We are. As we speak, I am making the intro and I will get it over to Josh, our producer, and we'll have it out asap.
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Debbie
Fantastic.
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Robert Morris
Great timing. You're welcome, April. Talk to you later.
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April
You're listening to a new evangelicals production, the Tim and April show, where we unravel faith, politics and culture.
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Robert Morris
What's up, friends? Hello, April. Why can't I hear you, April, at all?
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April
Because I muted myself. Because I'm so. I don't remember doing that, but apparently I did. So we're off to a great start.
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Robert Morris
Oh, my gosh. Well, welcome, welcome. Yes, April, I can hear you now.
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April
Good to see you good to see you too. Happy to give you that slight, just anxiety boost right at the start of the live, just to keep you on your toes.
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Robert Morris
I really was like, oh no, what did I forget? What is turned off? And of course we just started putting the background music in, you know the scene make a little more energizing. And so I'm like, what's up, friends? And I just hear silence and I'm like, oh no. Oh no.
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April
So I know I really should be saying hello, Judas Tim.
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Robert Morris
Oh, you should, you should. Okay, okay, okay, friends, first off, welcome in to the show, the Tim and April show. We are live right now. If you're just joining, welcome in. Please make sure to give this stream a like, it helps YouTube know to push it out to more people. We go live on Mondays and Thursdays, Thursdays at 12:00 eastern. So much to get into on this episode. We're covering some, some so much good news about our show hitting the Apple charts. We're talking about Gavin Newsom going right and bringing Charlie Kirk on his podcast. And also Steve Bannon. We're talking about Robert Morris being indicted. We're talking about Trump thinking that Tesla boycotts are illegal. There is so much to get into, so let's get into all of it. Welcome in. Oh, and also I am drinking, of course, fresh, freshly poured blueberry coffee out of my Tip in April mug, which we're working on getting out to you guys. So hang in there.
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April
Woohoo. I like that we have merch. Although now I feel like we need Judas Tim and Jezebel April merch. And so maybe we should explain that to those that are like, what are y'all talking about?
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Robert Morris
I think we should. Can I, can I set us up, April, and then I'll tee it off to you for, for where we ended up. Okay.
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April
Yes.
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Robert Morris
So the other day, earlier this week, we realized that our Tim and April show on podcast hit number 74 on the spirituality and religious charts in the US Apple podcast charts. I was like, wow, that's pretty cool. That's pretty awesome to have a show that's at number 74. And then we started talking to our, our people online and being like, hey, you know, we are beating Mike Winger, which is a huge win, by the way. I wonder how high we can climb the charts. And people started subscribing and liking the show, which by the way, the way Apple rates these charts, it's not by sheer number of downloads per episode because if that was the case, the most downloaded show would always at Number one, they use a combination of how many people are following the show in a certain amount of time, how popular is the show in the rankings, etc. So we started climbing. We hit, let's see, we hit number 66 at one point, and then we, we hit number 61. We surpassed Mark Driscoll and we kept on climbing. And then we got to number four.
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April
Number four.
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Robert Morris
Number four. But some people, which is where we.
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April
Are as of, as of this moment, we are number four on religious. Look at that. Two of those are Catholic. I don't know much about the Bible recap, do you?
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Robert Morris
No.
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April
Okay, well, regardless, we're one of the few and there are others, but we're one of the very few more progressive, Christian, anti Christian, nationalist shows. And this entire list, Yes, I, I, we beat Girls Gone Bible.
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Robert Morris
We did. I can't pull the charts up here. I wonder here. Yeah, let me do this. Let me give you guys a little live feed of what's going on. So this is the current situation. Okay. This is one through like 200. If you just, if you look at, at one through, I don't know, the top 20. A lot of these are conservative and very fundamentalists. I mean, Al Mohler, the Briefing, the. That's one of the most fundamentalist podcasts that you can get. But right behind them, and this is also important is this show here, all the Buried Women. This is a show by Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke, I think produced by the Bible for normal people, talking about the systemic abuse in the SBC and helping to expose how deep the rock goes. So if you also want to help, another great podcast, get up on the charts, make sure you're following that one. But yeah, I mean, April, there's Joel Osteen, there's Tim Keller, Girls Gone Bible, the Duck Dynasty people, Bryce Crawford. We beat all of them. And we're at number four right now, which is very cool.
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April
Yeah, yeah, it is very cool. It's like one of those things that in, like, the scheme of life doesn't really matter, but it's just fun. I don't know. I think it's fun. And I don't know if we could get to number one if we ever had a shot, it's right now. So if you want to help push us over, and I have no idea how many. I think it's a long shot, but we have a shot, so you just have to go Follow, I think. Is it called following on Apple?
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Robert Morris
They call it follow now. Yeah, they call it follow.
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April
Yeah. So follow and rate it is really the, the big boost over there if you want to help.
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Robert Morris
So what I did, friends, I put the link right in this description of this YouTube live. So you just click the button, hit follow, give us a rating and a review. And I will say, could you imagine a world where the top two podcasts on the religion and spirituality charts that are dominated by pro maga, pro Christian, nationalist, misogynistic fundamentalists are now topped by not only a progressive Christian show like ours that is anti maga, anti Christian nationalists, and pro loving all of your neighbors, but also has a podcast exposing the systemic abuse of women in the SBC in the top one and two slots. And to be clear, I don't care who gets number one at that point. I'd be thrilled if all the buried women got number one and we were number two. Who cares about that? But just what, what a moment it would be, I think, in the sun for all of these evangelical gatekeepers who love to say how people who deconstruct aren't real Christians. They are just giving up into the world and they're just a fad. It'd be so great if we got number one or number two on the charts. So we can say, no, we are here to stay. And I will say one more thing and then we'll get to how Judas Tim and Jezebel April came along. If you follow my stuff on the new evangelicals at all over the past few years, you know that one of the things I will never compromise on is that pineapple on pizza is a complete abomination. It's not even a question. It's. It's a matter of fact.
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April
I disagree. I know. April, pizza is my fave.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, listen, God is. God is testing my patience by making you the co host of this amazing show that we're doing together. But I will say, if we hit number one, if we hit number one, I will order a pineapple pizza on the air, have it delivered, and eat it and eat it during a live stream. In the future, if we hit number one, I'm going to youth pastor it. I'm going to sell myself out. I'm going to do it, but I will absolutely do it.
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April
Hey, maybe if we hit number one, we could tag team, because I've never tried blueberry coffee. You and I are gonna be together in D.C. so we could just do an impromptu live of you eating pineapple pizza and me drinking blueberry coffee at the same time.
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Robert Morris
I love that. All you gotta do, friends, is hit that link in the description subscribe or follow the show on podcast. Give it a rating and a review. If we hit number one, we'll do it, guaranteed.
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April
All right. You told me before we got on the air. Oh, wait, hold on. We gotta show the.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, I have.
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April
Yeah, do the comment first.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, here. Here's the comment. There we go.
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April
So this is where we came up with this. This is an actual comment. When I first posted about how we were raking on the charts to help us get higher, someone commented, who is sincere, by the way. This was not a joke.
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Robert Morris
You right said.
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April
Right said. Well, yeah. When Jezebel April and Judas Tim are funded by Soros money, you can buy yourself ratings.
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Robert Morris
Yep, yep. So. And I gotta say, I wish we had Soros funding. I would. Honestly, Billionaire funding. I would love.
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April
George Soros wants to fund us. That would be great. I'm. I've been accused of being funded by George Soros for a long time. I've yet to see a check.
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Robert Morris
I. Hey, Georgie boy, if you're hearing this, send it on over, buddy. We will. I would love to have a real studio. I would love to have a real producer. I would love not having to spend hours, countless hours of research to do all these different lives that we're doing. I would love to throw real ad money behind the show. Would absolutely love it. Would love it if you wanted to donate a few hundred grand or even a cool mill. Listen, you're a billionaire. A cool meal is nothing for you. We'll take it. Absolutely.
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April
We would. We would take that in a heartbeat. Thanks, George.
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Robert Morris
Thanks, Georgie. That's not.
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April
Yeah. So before the show, you told me you had a secret that you needed to share and that you're going to share it on the air. What's your secret?
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Robert Morris
So I almost was not going to be potentially available for next week's show on Thursday because I bought tickets to the Turning Point USA Faith Forward Pastor Summit. And I bought a ticket, I booked a flight and I was gonna fly out to this bad boy. This is. This is the. The turning point USA Faith Forward Pastor Summit. Special guests include Matt Walsh, Charlie Kirk. We got Riley Gaines, Eric Metaxas, Rob McCoy, Lance Wall. Now, this was like the who's who of pastors who are kind of pushing this right wing agenda forward. And I saw this. Oh, also Joey, he's a local pastor in Philadelphia and he's speaking at this event, which of course is just like, makes me. My blood just boils. But I digress. So I bought a ticket. I bought a ticket. I thought, you know what? Let Me, go. It's only a two day event. I'll fly in early, fly out, like, you know, the following day or something, and I'll do some content on it. And then I got a call. I got a call from Turning Point directly from, actually, from Lucas Miles. He is the, he's the guy who oversees this. Now listen, full transparency. I've talked to Lucas many times over text. We are very cordial and that's intentional. I am cordial with these people. So I keep getting allowed to go back to these events and cover them. In fact, right now on The New Evangelicals YouTube, we just dropped our hour long recap of America Fest. So I recommend people going over there to watch it. But Lucas essentially said, hey, man, this is more of an insider baseball event where we want pastors not to feel like they're on edge or maybe that you're going to cover them, you know, and expose them online. So unfortunately, while you can come to other events, you can't come to this one. So I said, listen, I get it. It's your event, it's not mine. You have the right to do whatever you want with it. So I had no choice but to say, okay. So that's what happened. That's my secret. I was going to be at a pastor summit next week and then recapping it with you potentially on Thursday. Unfortunately, my, my ticket got rescinded and I lost $300 on a plane ticket, which, to be clear, they said that they would reimburse, but I didn't want to have that financial tie over my head, you know, So I just said, I said no.
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April
So, well, the gosh, that makes me want to go.
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Robert Morris
I wish you could.
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April
What are they going to say that is somehow worse than what they already say publicly?
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Robert Morris
Here's the thing, right? I mean, you got Matt Walsh. Where's Matt Walsh? You got Matt Walsh. Not a pastor. A guy who makes a lot of money dehumanizing all kinds of people. I don't know. Now, again, full transparency, folks. I've been to the pastor summit before. I went there 2 and A. So I don't know. They just decided to resume my invitation. Okay. Is what it is. That's my secret. Yeah, I'm not going. Kind of bummed.
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April
Dang.
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Robert Morris
Yeah. But I did get invited to go to their believer summit in October. So I will absolutely. As long as I can swing the schedule, we'll book a ticket and we'll go. Yeah.
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April
It's a gathering of pastors and ministry leaders.
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Robert Morris
And I said that on My application, ministry leader. Tim Whitaker, New Evangelicals.
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April
Yeah, I was saying, you are easily a ministry leader if by their own definitions of that term. Especially when you look at if, If Matt Walsh is a ministry leader, you are a ministry leader.
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Robert Morris
But, April, we both know that in the right wing world of Christian fundamentalism, we are not seen as real Christians. Right. Even though we share a lot of the same theological, you know, beliefs. Virgin birth, resurrection, et cetera. Because we are progressive politically and we believe that queer people shouldn't be demonized and they should be loved and accepted. We are therefore seen as the enemy.
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April
So, yeah, Lance Wall now is going to be there. I know.
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Robert Morris
I met Lance at America Fest, by the way. Yeah. I got who I was.
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April
My name. They don't know my name.
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Robert Morris
I should say. You should go undercover as a Theo bro in your, in your costumes. I could so do it. Yeah. So that's the update on that. Yeah.
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April
All right. Well, that's, I don't know. I have weird feelings about that, but.
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Robert Morris
I mean, what am I going to do? It's not an event. You know, listen, they allow me to come to America Fest. They let me do content, they let me do whatever I want to do there. So I, I, if I have to play ball so I can keep getting access to their events, so I can keep covering them, I, it's no problem. Like, it's all good. It's a smaller event. You have the right to rescind the invitation. It is what it is. So, yeah, that's the update.
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April
All right. Very fun.
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Robert Morris
Yep.
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April
I guess.
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Robert Morris
Yeah.
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April
All right, next, next, next. You have an update on Jersey Kebab?
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Robert Morris
I do. So, friends, if you've been following the story, ICE raided a local business about 20 minutes away from me called Jersey Kebab. The family was ultimately terrorized. The mother was arrested in handcuffs and whisked away to a. In a detention center because their green card status has been in jeopardy for several years and they can't get through the government system even though they're going about the right way. We did a whole video on this on our Instagram. It went viral and the community churned out and did a whole rally for them. It was really powerful. And some good news. Some good news. The mother is home. She was released from ICE detention and is now back with the family. So that is a huge win.
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April
Yay.
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Robert Morris
Right? That's some good news there. I did want to share that. You know, it was definitely a win. I'm glad that the community rallied around Jersey Kebab and The I think it's the last name is Amane family. And I've been talking to the son Muhammad. We've been in touch over the past few weeks. I did let him know that I'd be more than happy to do an interview with him and the family to get his story out there. So we'll see what happens. But yeah, there's some good news. She is now home with her family and we'll wait to see what the next step is. Yay.
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April
Awesome. Yay. And then we did say that we would update everybody. This is not a main story. It might be next week depending on what happens. But the House did pass the GOP budget, so now it goes to the Senate where they need like a 60% majority or they need 60 votes. I don't know. Regardless, they're going to need Democrat votes in order to pass it in the Senate. And if Democrats don't come over, it's going to lead to a government shutdown, which actually is putting Democrats in a tough spot because they 1 don't want to say yes to this bill because it's a terrible bill and would harm a lot of people. But also a government shutdown could potentially also harm some people and then that would take, you know, the government out of commission except for the president, which could potentially lead to, like Trump just doing even more of what he wants with people. Not so it's really a catch 22. But a lot of people are saying, hey, screw it. They it's Republicans fault that are messing up the government and it shouldn't fall on the Democrats to put out a terrible bill in order to save the government that Republicans should have just put out a decent bill to begin with.
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Robert Morris
So I completely agree.
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April
That is the, that's where we are. So we'll keep an eye on that and I'm sure we'll talk more about it next week when we see what happens.
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Robert Morris
Love that. Shall we get into the price of eggs and the. All right, here we go. So first we're going to bring prices way down. Yes, we are. Yes, we are, Mr. Trump, President Trump, Whatever. So here's what's going on. The price of eggs has dipped again. It's now as of March 10th. So three days ago, $6.08 a dozen is where it stands. That's, that's a big deal because just a few days before that, they're up to $8 a dozen. So there is a crash that has come. That being said, In May of 2024, the price of eggs was $2 a dozen. So we're still. Right, you know, it's still a 300% increase year over year, so keep that in mind. But yes, I mean, the price, the price of eggs have, have dropped down to $6.08 a dozen. The price of gasoline, $3 and 7 cents on average, a gallon. Trump has been in office for 52 days. He has spent 14 days golfing, giving him a percentage of 26.92%. So he's still golfing. He's still doing, he's still doing his thing.
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April
But to be fair, 14 is the same. It was on Monday. So he has gone two days between Monday and now without golfing.
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Robert Morris
I'm so, I am so proud. And again, egg prices have, have come down. So to be fair, we're going to.
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Elon Musk
Bring prices way down.
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Robert Morris
Okay, you did, but year over year we're still at 300% increase overall.
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April
Yeah. And there are reports, I don't know if you saw them, but that February overall, the inflation rate went down a little bit.
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Robert Morris
Oh, good.
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April
Which, which is good for wholesale prices, which really impacts businesses that would eventually hopefully trickle down to consumers. But they're saying it doesn't really matter because Trump just today wanted to do. Was it 100% tariffs on E. On European alcohol? So does anyone like, do you feel like he's like, tariffs on, tariffs off, tariffs on, tariffs off, double tariffs. He's treating it like just a giant worldwide game of red light, green light.
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Robert Morris
Wait, April, April. According to CNN, Trump threatens 200%.
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April
I think that's new.
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Robert Morris
I think this is an hour ago. 200% tariff increase on European alcohol as trade war escalates. So why not? Why 100%? Let's just go right to 200%.
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April
And I don't know, I didn't pull the video because we have a full like episode already. But Carolyn Levitt, the press secretary got in an exchange with some reporter. I want to say the reporter, it was either from the NPR or the ap, but about what a tariff is. And Carolyn Lovett said that a tariff is a tax cut for the American people. And she got fact checked. Like she, it was so mind boggling. Like that is not what, what a tariff is. But anyway, yeah, I mean, I will.
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Robert Morris
Say, April, just to be honestly, full transparency, I have an idea of what a tariff is because I've watched a lot of content on it. However, why other countries would also start imposing tariffs, assuming that they work the same way. I'm not sure what the advantage is. So I do want to look into maybe getting like an economist on someone who can kind of break it down for us. Like, why is there a trade war happening? And is there, even in Trump's MAGA mind, is there any actual plus or benefit to instigating a trade war in the American psyche? I don't know, but I'm wondering, like, okay, if Canada's response to tariffs is we're going to raise tariffs on you, aren't they also being affected? But I'm not an expert, so we have to look into that. I just don't know. I will tell you as we move on that Trump has also is also imposing a sweeping 25% steel and aluminum tariff to Canada and Europe. So we're in. We're in a trade war, friends. Here we are. We're. We're doing the thing.
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April
And Trump started it for zero reason. Just.
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Robert Morris
Well, he wants to make America great again. April. Duh. Where have you been? Ridiculous.
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April
Yeah. All right. So speaking of egg prices, Charlie Kirk recently wrote an article that was like, stop talking about egg prices.
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Robert Morris
Yeah.
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April
Because it just doesn't matter.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, this one.
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April
Yeah. Trump. Yeah. And so Trump retweeted it because obviously he promised that prices would go way down on day one. And that did not happen. And prices are potentially going up, will go up if Trump actually goes through with all these tariffs, which so far he's been very wishy washy. You know, he'll declare a tariff and then undeclares a tariff. And it's like doing. Playing with a light switch. He's like a toddler just on off, on off, on off, on off. And you never know where it's going to land.
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Robert Morris
Here's what's so interesting. I mean, listen, Charlie Kirk at this point is one of the biggest mouthpieces of propaganda for the current regime. So he writes this article and he's essentially saying, look, shut up about egg prices. First off, it's not Trump's fault. And then he blames Joe Biden and blames the fact that we're killing all of these chickens. Okay, so a couple of quotes that I think are really worth pointing out here. So Charlie writes this. There are. Okay, here's what he says. He says, first, there are. The high prices of eggs is in no way President Trump's fault. And then he says almost all of the increase took place during Biden's final months in office. Why? Because in response to a bird flu outbreak, his administration decided to reenact the Godfather baptism scene with Americans chickens. And then he says, quote, the Biden administration and the Department of Agriculture directed the mass killings of more than 100 million chickens. This is what Trump's press secretary, Carolyn Levitt, explained, which has led to a lack of chicken supply in this country, therefore a lack of egg supply, which is leading the shortage. And then he goes on to say, and why carry out such a massacre? Because the Department of Agriculture compensates poultry farmers for eliminating flocks that have been exposed to the bird flu, but offers no compensation if the bird dies from the disease. Okay, he links this. He links this to a CNN article that actually in the article reads that pretty much that claim and says that's not exactly correct and needs some context. So even the article that he linked debunks one of his main talking points, that somehow the Biden administration is intentionally killing millions of birds for no reason. The reality is that the reason why you kill the birds is to stop it from spreading to more birds is how you mitigate the spread of the disease. So it just is so. And also, the other thing I want to highlight here is that we all know if the President was. Was Kamala Harris, Charlie would be laying the price of eggs at her feet. And this is what is very much insufferable about Charlie Kirk. He's an opportunist. He will always use, even if at times he's correct, information to deflect from his guy. And always, always, even if he's wrong, use propaganda to lay the problems at the feet of his political opponents. Because there's no way Charlie would write this article if Harris was president, saying, look, guys, you can't blame Harris for this. It's in no way her fault. Which to a degree could be true. If a bird flu is sweeping through. Right. Our poultry farms, causing an egg shortage, the president really can't do everything. He can't stop that, like, right away. No one can. So I get that. But also, Charlie, we both know that you would never give a Democrat that same courtesy, and that's what makes all of this so insufferable. Do you remember maddening?
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April
Within the first month of Joe Biden being president, I saw little stickers. Granted, I lived in Trump country at the time. Little Joe Biden stickers at the gas pump that pointed and said, I did that.
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Robert Morris
Yes.
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April
Or this is my fault. Like a month in to Joe Biden's presidency.
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Robert Morris
Right.
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April
And they blamed a failing economy. Not on the fact that we just got out of a pandemic or we're still in a pandemic, but we're blaming. Like, they were just. They were blaming Biden for things that they are now saying you can't blame Trump for because he's so new to being the president. Right. And I'm aware that Donald Trump doesn't directly affect egg prices, especially when there's a bird flu going on. Like we, we are more highlighting the fact that consumer prices are still high after Trump promised everybody on day one, very emphatically, we're going to bring prices way down.
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Robert Morris
There it is.
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April
And just didn't.
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Robert Morris
So that's the time that we need, April. That's the comedic timing. We're getting in sync. We're getting there. I love it.
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April
Yeah.
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Robert Morris
Also, just, just to put the cherry on top, the Dow Jones is tanking. Okay. Remember, the whole thing go woke, go broke. Suddenly. They're not saying that when it comes to who's in charge of the presidency. Right. Don't forget Republicans have control of the House, the Senate, the presidency, the Oval Office and the courts. The Dow Jones is tanking and they're still trying to convince you that no, no, none of this is Trump's fault. Guys, Trump is the one who said on day one, we're going to make America great. We're going to lower grocery prices, we're going to make America so prosperous and so amazing. And the opposite has happened. And there's no accountability in these spaces because again, it's not about telling the truth, it's about propaganda. Which is why if I can segue us into Gavin Newsom, which is why I'm so pissed off that Gavin Newsom brings Charlie Kirk on to just essentially shake hands and play footsies. Like, what is this man doing? Because Charlie Kirk is not a good faith actor. He never will be. He is, he is a propagandist who believes that he has a God given ultimatum to make America as white and as right wing as possible. And he will do whatever he can and work with whoever he can to make that goal a reality. Even if it means talking to people like Gavin Newsom. As long as Gavin Newsom plays his game, which Gavin Newsom did exactly that on his own podcast.
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April
Yeah. I think before we show a few clips with the Gavin Newsom interview and then we can talk about that, why don't you tell us a little bit about who Charlie Kirk is for those that may, you know, appreciate having peace and sanity and don't worry, I would love to.
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Robert Morris
And we're going to do. I'm going to play a little minute clip of my own video. We just dropped this full hour long recap of my time at America Fest, which is an event hosted and put on by Turning Point usa, which is created by Charlie Kirk. Here's my minute and a half explainer on just an objective data point level of who Charlie Kirk is. And again, friends, if you want more of this, you can go over to the New Evangelicals YouTube and watch the whole thing. It's a very, I think, well done video. Shout out to Cassidy who helped me with all of this. But it really gives you an idea of how dangerous this right wing world is. Here we go. Let me introduce you to Charlie Kirk, founder, potential millionaire, father and political activist. In 2012, when the world was singing about turning 22, along with Taylor Swift, Charlie Kirk founded a non profit organization to connect conservative college and high school students with activist movements that sought to restore traditional American values. In the beginning, Charlie and Turning Point had a more libertarian approach. But over the past few years, they took a hard right and embraced Christian nationalist ideals. This youth focused movement grew up over the last 10 years and has turned into a machine with Turning Point as the mothership. With two organizations underneath. There's a faith arm called Turning Point Faith and a political arm. This is their 501C4 called Turning Point Action. To give you an idea of how big this organization is, they raised $138 million between 2016 and 2021. In 2020 alone, about half of its income came from 10 anonymous donors. More on that later on. And last year they raised an astounding $81 million. This is not a small organization. There you go, friends. Okay, there's a little clip. I mean, just to kind of give you the background. This is not a small org. Charlie Kirk is not some fringe dude. It's, there's so much more there. Again, please take the time if you, if you're interested to watch the video, if you're listening to this on podcast, I'm going to drop the full video on the New Evangelicals podcast. Make sure you subscribe to that. But that's just a kind of a primer of who Charlie Kirk is, kind of how he started and where he ended up. And that's important because he really has morph. He started out much more libertarian and now he's just full on maga.
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April
Yep. Do you have that clip of Charlie Kirk? He also defended Elon Musk's Nazi salute, saying it was not a Nazi salute.
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Robert Morris
I do have that one. That's true.
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April
And so on one of his college campus tours. So one thing Charlie Kirk does, he goes to colleges and just debates college students. Yep. And so one kid actually confronted him is like, okay, if it wasn't a Nazi loot, then why don't you do the salute? And so then Charlie Kirk does. We'll play the video and then I'll. I'll describe what he does.
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Robert Morris
Okay.
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April
Listening on podcast.
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Robert Morris
How do you defend Elon Musk hailing Hitler at the inauguration? It wasn't a hail. Then do it.
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F
I love this audience so much, and I want them all to be here so much, and I want them all to be here. I'm all to be here.
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Robert Morris
I did that just for effect, to make sure we're very clear on what Charlie did versus what Elon Musk did. All right, go ahead, April.
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April
Okay, so the. The student then obviously pushes back. So what Charlie does is he puts his hand over his heart, which is the start of just like what Elon Musk did.
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Robert Morris
That's right.
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April
But instead of saluting it up in the air palm down like Musk did, he cupped his hand palm up and kind of just gestured to the crowd like you would. Hello, everybody.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, exactly.
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April
Clearly looks nothing like what Elon Musk did. And if you watch the clip further, the clip, the kid, the student responds, that's not what he did. And he goes, yes, I did. I just did it. I just did it. He's like, no, you did it. And Charlie goes like, yes, I did. I just did.
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Robert Morris
Is so it's another indictment that they live in a different reality. I mean, he. He literally did a very different hand gesture, clearly. And he's like, no, I did the same thing. It's like, bro, your eyeballs deceive you. Like they. Or I don't know. It's unbelievable. Yeah.
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April
Yeah. So then Gavin Newsom, the governor California has started a new podcast where he, the very first episode brought on Charlie Kirk as a guest.
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Robert Morris
Oh, my gosh.
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April
On. On Gavin Newsom's podcast. So Gavin Newsom did not go on Charlie Kirk's podcast. His very first episode ever, he brought Charlie Kirk to have a discussion. And I watched 95% of this before I turned it off. So I watched. I watched a good chunk of it. And I will say Gavin Newsom starts off saying how his, I think 13 year old kid son is a big fan of Charlie Kirk and wanted to skip school in order to meet Charlie Kirk and is very much like, man, you're so great. Like, the kids love you. You're. You've got your do. It like was just very complimentary of Charlie Kirk and his platform and the influence that he has. Which I found. I personally found that part troubling. I feel like you can have a conversation with someone from the other side without praising them in that way.
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Robert Morris
Can we park on this for a second?
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April
Yeah.
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Robert Morris
Okay. Because I have a lot of thoughts here. I'm gonna be really clear. I'm all about talking to people that you disagree with. I go to America Fest. I've met Charlie Kirk. Charlie and I have talked. Not very long, but we've talked. Okay. There's a big difference between bringing someone on your show publicly to dismantle and to push back on the lies and the propaganda and the harm they're committing versus bringing them on your show and mostly being like, yeah, no, good point. No, I agree with you. No, yeah, no, I hear that too. No, I, I totally understand. Charlie, you're doing great work, man. We might disagree. No, no, this is a man. Charlie Kirk is a man. Let me just play you one of the things of what that Charlie Kirk said recently, and he has a whole list. We can, we can do a whole three hour long documentary on the things he said. This was him and his, his buddies talking about DEI and pilots. Listen to this. And that's why I think this United story in the DEI story hits so hard, because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now. Thank you.
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F
I mean, like, you want to go thought crime. Like, I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.
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Robert Morris
Well, that's the.
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F
You wouldn't have done that.
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Robert Morris
You wouldn't have you done that before?
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F
It's not an immediate no. You went, that's not who I am. That's not what I believe. It is the reality the left has created.
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Robert Morris
Oh, my gosh. I mean, you hear this. Let's get a few things really clear. Okay?
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April
Yeah.
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Robert Morris
All pilots, regardless of skin color or race or sexuality, go through the same training. The purpose behind dei, diversity, equity and inclusion is simply to help people who might not have the same access. Right. To the pathways to get them into these jobs, to find out or to give them pathways. That's all it is. They still have to go through testing and go through hours. And I have a friend who's a pilot, a good friend. I watched to become a pilot over the course of like almost 5 to 10 years between starting out. Very early on, flight simulators, you have to become like a local pilot for very small planes. You have to get your certain amount of hours in. It takes tons of times. But what Charlie is saying is that whenever I see a black pilot on a plane, I feel essentially less safe because I think that they didn't earn the position that they're in, which ultimately is racist. What he's saying is that because of that person's skin color, which, by the way, he's not colorblind. He obviously sees the color of their skin. He assumes that they're so inferior that they had to be given extra handouts and had to get around certain testing that white pilots with a jawline couldn't do. This is who Charlie Kirk is. This is what he says all the time. It's ridiculous.
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April
And not to mention, usually unless you are a white man, you have to be overqualified to get certain positions and you have to work harder to get ahead because you're not born with the privilege that a white male still in this country, even with all the quote unquote dei claims the white man still has more privilege and doesn't have to work as hard as, as other marginalized groups or as marginalized groups to get certain positions 100%.
- [40:59]
Robert Morris
There's all this, there's all great videos on this that we've covered before. Garrison from the, from Mother Jones has done a great video on this, etc. It's just, it's, it's unreal. So I say this because when you're on, when you bring some like that on the podcast, you should probably push back and expose them for who they are. But Gavin doesn't really do that. His pushback is so light and at best and downright capitulation at worst. And here's the thing that April, you and I have been saying for so long. Gavin Newsom is either one of two things. Either he's ignorant or he doesn't care. Either he's ignorant or he doesn't care that Charlie Kirk has one goal, command and conquer. The right. The right wing. Not. I'm not talking about your conservatives like your Mitt Romney's or your Adam Kinzinger. The far right, the maga right, they do not believe in compromise. They do not believe in trying to get along. They do not believe in trying to find the common ground. They believe in taking over and conquering their enemies. Charlie Kirk believes that on top of the political side, that he has a God given theological Mandate to make America Christian again. To take power back from the evil and demonic left that's destroying the country. So for him, for Charlie, this is a podcast of conquest. This is a podcast of, look, we are conquering our enemies, but Gavin is trying to play footsies with this dude, trying to find the common ground. Why there is no common ground. I would hope so anyway. I would hope there's no common ground on DEI and black pilots and if they're inferior or not. But when Gavin has this conversation, as we're going to see here around trans folks, he completely capitulates to bs, to nonsense. And that's what drives me crazy about this conversation. It's not that Gavin had him on who have whoever you want on, but why play footsies? Why try and find common ground with people who want to destroy you? I don't understand that.
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April
Yeah. Did you want to play this clip with.
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Robert Morris
Sure, yeah, gladly. We'll play. This is a two minute clip. Just FYI, a lot of transphobia in this clip. But here's Gavin and Charlie talking about trans folks in sports, which we'll get into if time allows. Here we go.
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F
If you want to, like, you have an opportunity to like, you know, run to the middle and see this man. So obviously you're talking to me about people.
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G
Yeah.
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F
It's like you right now should come out and be like, you know what? The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports, that's. That, that shouldn't happen. You as the governor, should step out and say, no, no.
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G
And I appreciate, but like, would you.
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F
Do something like that? Would you say no? Female sports?
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G
Well, it's. I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness. So it's deeply.
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F
Would you speak out against this young man, A.B. hernandez, who right now is going to win the state championship in the long term.
- [43:43]
Robert Morris
Okay, so let's just, let's just pause right here. This entire premise is completely false for so many reasons. First off, as we've covered many times, trans athletes are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of athletes competing. Number two, trans men also win. Like right now there's a trans. A trans man who's a boxer who is three and, oh, against. Against, quote, unquote, biological men. Number two. Sorry. Number three. What's so frustrating is that Charlie and the right wing have absolutely made this little bump of a conversation into the talking point that most American, that many Americans think if they solve this somehow. America's back. It doesn't put more money in your pocket. It doesn't solve affordable health care, doesn't solve unaffordable education. It's a complete distraction from real issues at hand. And Newsom, the governor of California, has an opportunity to push back on that, and instead he just capitulates. No, no. Yeah. Fairness. Fairness. As if different governing bodies who govern athletes are not looking at data, are not trying to make sure that there is some kind of fairness in competition, whether it's. It's CIS or trans people competing. It's. It's just. It's such a false premise from the beginning.
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April
Right. Well, and because I think, I think there is room to discuss the issue of fairness in sports, but it is not as simple as trans people versus cisgender people. Because you have, like, there are cisgender born, there are cisgender women out there that have high level of testosterone that are banned in sports.
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Robert Morris
Mm.
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April
Like, like, like we saw with the boxer at the Olympics this past summer.
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Robert Morris
Yes.
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April
Cisgender woman. They, you know, they started saying she was trans, she was not trans.
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Robert Morris
Amani, right? Is that you're talking about?
- [45:35]
April
Yeah, yes, yes, exactly. Like, there, there's a room where we could have this discussion, but at this point, a blanket no trans people in sports when they're mainly talking about trans women.
- [45:45]
Robert Morris
Exactly.
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April
Is. It is just. Is bigotry. It's just straight up bigotry and discrimination. And it's not actually about fairness. It's just about demonizing trans people. You know, and they say, oh, no, it's just about sports. It's about protecting women. It's the same thing with the, with the bathroom. Like, it's, it's all just dogs and whistles because it. They can use this to rile up their base. And it's simple enough in their minds, and it doesn't require really any sort of real thought or sacrifice on their behalf, because banning trans people in sports doesn't affect them at all, but they can rally behind it, and it's just. It's literally just a fear mongering tool. Because on the flip side, they don't actually care about protecting women and they don't even care about women's sports. Like, these are the same people that make fun of women all the time. And when they, like, they use female, like, things to insult people like, oh, you throw like a girl. Like, they don't care about women at all.
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Robert Morris
Yes, April, totally agree with you. I mean, look, this is a transgender man, Patricio Manuel, who's now three. Well, he's now three and one in professional boxing. So where's the outrage? Does, does, does Patricio have an unfair biological advantage as he's knocking out CIS men? That's never going to be talked about because ultimately what they're trying to do is they're trying to, they believe inherently that women are inferior to men and that you just can't compete against men and therefore, you know, you're trying to exploit women. It's a, it's a false narrative and it drives me nuts. And one more thing. And actually, you know what, let's keep playing the video and I'll, I'll give you my one more thing. As he keeps talking, I can see.
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F
You wrestling with it.
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G
No, I'm not wrestling, I'm not wrestling with the fairness issue. I totally agree with you. By the way, as someone with four kids, you've got to daughters, right? Two daughters, Daughter too, and a wife that went guys forbid to Stanford and played on the junior national team so far.
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Robert Morris
Keep that in mind.
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G
Left handed and could throw a baseball a little bit or hit the, hit the ball for a little bit. So I revere sports. And so the issue of fairness is completely legit. And I, I saw that the last couple years. Boy, did I saw how you guys were able to weaponize that issue at another level.
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F
Not weaponized. Don't.
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G
That's, that's well, weaponized, maybe pejorative, you're right.
- [48:04]
Robert Morris
But no, he's not.
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April
No, no, he's not right. They did weaponize it.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, no, 100%. And this is the point. That's when Gavin goes, no, you absolutely weaponize it. Groups like Libs of TikTok, right, these huge accounts have sent bomb threats to schools over trans teachers. You absolutely have weaponized what is a minority of the population. Trans folks as a whole, I think at the most are 1 to 3% of the population. Trans athletes, maybe. What? In the NCAA there's between 10 and 30 out of 500,000. No, you absolutely, Charlie, have weaponized a fringe issue that affects almost no one. And by the way, that science has shown how to navigate, right? Like there are people talking about this conversation to make sure things are fair. There are policies and procedures in place. You absolutely have weaponized this and made this a huge talking point to get your people in power again, not livable wages, not affordable health care, trans people. And Gavin goes, no, no, you're right, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. You, I weaponize that. You weaponize it.
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April
Yeah, maybe I was a little harsh. Give me a break. People that have called to eradicate transgenderism, like Michael said that. And yes, it's so, it's so infuriating because Democrats like I. Okay, on one hand, Gavin Newsom is trying something, right? I don't know what his end game is in this. I don't know if it's to make a presidential run and he wants to appear more moderate and whatnot. But generally speaking, Republicans are not good faith actors. So you can't have a genuine conversation unless you're willing to push back and fact check. You can't just be wishy washy around these issues because Charlie Kirk is not arguing from good faith. He's using talking points. And in another clip, which I don't think you pulled, he brought up the mutilation of children on the same trans topic, which does not happen. There are absolutely zero surgeries being done on anyone that is under 16 and under 18 is incredibly rare. Like, the actual recommendation medically is no surgeries under 18. That does not happen. And that's like a worldwide statistic. And like the, the fact that they're pushing this narrative that children are just going to school and coming out a different, you know, a different biological sex that their teachers did it is insane. But that is literally a right wing talking point that is pushed and believed by Trump supporters. They believe just straight up lies about it. And Gavin, when he, when Charlie Kirk brought that up, Gavin said, well, I'm not, I'm not an expert on this, you know, and, and you know, that is bad. Like, no, you, you say that's not happening. That is not happening. Give, I want, give me an example of what child who was mutilated in the United States for, for a, to get a sex change.
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Robert Morris
And this is the key difference between a Gavin Newsom type and a Charlie Kirk type. Gavin Newsom will appeal to authority, and he knows I'm not an expert. Charlie Kirk posits himself as an expert on everything, right? And he says, experts don't care about you. Experts don't know what they're talking about. Believe me. Believe Trump, Believe maga. And he talks about that later on in the podcast. And again, friends, we don't have time to go through it on this episode. I might go through the whole thing on the New Evangelicals YouTube channel at some point. There's so much to get to on that. But on this point, I think you're completely correct. Let's. Why don't we keep it going and Finish out this clip because there's a few other points I want to highlight here. So. Okay, here we go.
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G
In a way that, frankly, I. They're not that many. We're talking about. I think the ND NC2A what? 510,000? No, no, but I just didn't realize.
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F
It's 890 medals and trophies that we know of in the last five years. That's a lot.
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Robert Morris
Okay, so pause right there again, notice how Charlie. Charlie is not playing ball here. He's not acknowledging the data point that there's about 10 to 30 trans athletes among 500,000. And then he, pop. He pivots to a different talking point. Well, we. That we know of. There have been 890 medals have been given out in the past five years on. Okay, are we counting every single trophy in the US that gets handed out across all population? Because if that's the case. And again, I don't know how he's calculating this. You're saying that out of hundreds of thousands of trophies that get given out anywhere from little, you know, little leagues, T ball leagues to the big leagues to the Olympics, 890 trans people have won medals. That's still. That is like a teaspoon. But he has. Notice how Charlie always has a talking point to bring up. He'll never actually capitulate. He'll never actually say, you know what, Gavin? That's a good point. I should be better on that. Because he doesn't care about that. He's not looking for good faith conversation. He wants to conquer his enemy. Oh, it's so frustrating to watch.
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April
Even the whole idea of, like, trans women dominate in women's sports is just not true. Like, Riley Gaines has created an entire platform on being this persecuted woman who got dominated by a trans woman and it was over. Was it fifth place or fourth place?
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Robert Morris
I think they tied for fifth place.
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April
They tied for fifth place. Which means four other cisgender women beat the trans woman that Riley Gaines is saying had an unfair advantage over all women for being trans. Like, they're. They're coming from a completely bad faith argument. Like the. The narrative that trans people dominate sports is just not true. Also, when you are. When you're a trans woman, you are taking T blockers that lower testosterone and you're taking estrogen that actually make your muscles weaker, not stronger.
- [53:51]
Robert Morris
100.
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April
So it's. So it's all. It's all stupid, but whatever.
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Robert Morris
No.
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G
So I'm gonna. Let me step back, say completely fair on the issue of fairness. I completely Agree. So that's easy to call Gavin, that there's also a humility and a grace, you know, that. That these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand.
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Robert Morris
How can so. So Gavin is saying, look, Charlie, I'll concede the point about fairness, but can we also acknowledge that trans people are. Are much more likely to unalive themselves? There's a lot of data around them being marginalized, and that the way we talk to these people really affects, you know, their mental health. So essentially what he's saying is like, Charlie, can you now concede a point that the way you and your right wing MAGA world talk about trans people actually harms them? Let's see what Charlie says about that.
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G
We address this issue with the kind of decency that I think, you know, is inherent in you, but not always expressed on the issue.
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F
No, I get it.
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G
At the same time, deal with the uncertainty you're asked.
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F
You asked a good faith question, like, how do we Democrats get out of the wilderness?
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Robert Morris
Yeah.
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F
This one is an 8020 issue New York Times poll.
- [55:02]
Robert Morris
Right.
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F
That's getting crushed up and like, crushed. And you have an opportunity in the state to be like, look, I have a heart for A.B. hernandez. I have a heart for the San Jose volleyball player. Let's give them compassion. What's not fair is just for, like, a woman's entire woman's sports.
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G
I agree. You know, by the way, I agree with you.
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Robert Morris
Okay, so notice how Charlie doesn't concede anything in that exchange. Charlie concedes nothing. He deflects back to something that Gavin said earlier and then essentially says, like, look, if you want to have compassion, you can, but can you also agree with me that. That they shouldn't be in women's sports? And Newsom goes, I agree with you again. What did Charlie give up? Where's the common ground? There is none. Charlie, Kirk and MAGA people like him think that trans people are inherently evil, demonic, that they're mentally deranged, and that they should not be given access to the same litany of constitutional rights that they have. That's what. That's his. That's his founding premise of trans people. Gavin Newsom, I don't think has the same founding premise, even if he is transphobic in this clip. And so you're never gonna find the common ground by trying to say, look, Charlie, I give a little you give a little. He's living in a whole different universe. And that's my, that's my big complaint with this kind of conversation. Again, if you want to have Charlie on, then push back hard and challenge him on his own terms on data and make him look. Why didn't. And I looked at, I looked through the transcript, I didn't see any talk about the January 6th insurrection or about if Trump won the election in 2020 or not. Why not, Gavin make Charlie look like the anti intellectual fool that he is by making him concede that he doesn't believe, despite all the data, that the election was not rigged. Right. But that doesn't happen here. And it's just very frustrating to watch. It's just very frustrating.
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April
Right. And then he went on. His next two episodes were with Michael Savage, who I grew up listening to on talk radio.
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Robert Morris
Same, same.
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April
And then Steve Bannon and I watched a little. I know, I, I watched a few clips of it. I didn't watch it for very long. Someone said that he did push back more on Steve Bannon. I don't really know and I don't want to get roasted here. But just to play devil's advocate.
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Robert Morris
Go ahead, April, go ahead.
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April
Is there a world where this could. I mean, granted, I think Gavin Newsom is going to have to push back more in order for this to happen, but in MAGA spaces, the comments on Gavin Newsom's YouTube video are mostly from Republicans saying, wow, I don't like Gavin Newsom, but this was really refreshing. Thank you for doing this. Is there a world where Gavin Newsom doing this could be the gateway drug for Republicans to see Democrats as not just pure evil, which is what they're taught, you know, And I don't know if that's the angle Gavin Newsom's trying to do. We're like, look, we can all get along. We can do this. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying I agree with this at all, but is there a world where there could be some positive from this, if some, if some conservatives maybe see Gavin Newsom as a. Not just a pure evil demon rat? You know, look, we.
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Robert Morris
First off, April, I think it's a question we have to ask. No one, especially me, is ever going to roast you, and I will defend your honor. In the, in the comments, people come after me.
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April
I'm not saying I agree. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm being annoying.
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Robert Morris
Let's flush this out, though. I think it's important. While we Have a second here to ask that question. Because one thing we talk about a lot is that, look, we don't believe in violence and we do live in the same timeline as our MAGA neighbors and we're called to, to love our enemies and think about ways forward, etc. How do we do that is the question. Right. I understand what you're saying. I do. I. What I hear you saying is, look, maybe to some Republicans this might change their mind that, that not every Democrat is a demon who tried to destroy the country. I totally understand that. My concern though, in particular with this kind of conversation with Gavin and Charlie, is that the conversation is mostly Gavin acknowledging that Charlie's right about almost everything. Yeah, you're right about, about women's sports and fairness. Yeah, you're right that the Democrats got totally roasted. Yeah, you're right that you guys reach young men better than we did. All these things. And I think about it, I go, there could be some truth. Like I, we've talked a lot about how the Democratic apparatus I think failed on so many different levels, but also a lot of what Charlie says is just blatantly untrue or it's opportunist language. And so I don't, I don't know because I think that the only reason why Newsom is being accepted in this space is because he's conceding all of these points that they believe are absolutely true that they can never capitulate on. So I don't think it's actually doing much besides making Gavin look like he is trying intentionally to win over part of the population that believes inherently racist, xenophobic, nationalist, transphobic things in efforts maybe for a presidential run in 2028, which would be a disaster.
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April
No, I agree. I think, I think Gavin Newsom, if that his, his angle is to change Republican minds, he should have come more prepared saying, I'm not an expert on trans issues. Like you didn't think trans issues would come up. I don't know. That's. That is stupid. And for the record, I don't think platforming white nationalists, misogynist men like Charlie Kirk is the answer. I think there are probably other Republicans that are less problematic. If you can be less problematic, if you support Trump right now, that might be better. Guess. But Charlie Kirk is bleh.
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Robert Morris
I would have loved to see Gavin say, hey Charlie, you talk a lot about how third worlders are destroying the country. Undocumented immigrants are half as likely to commit crime as native born counterparts. What's your thoughts on that? Or hey, Charlie, you know that David Duke from the KKK talked a lot about the great replacement theory in the 80s and you parrot the same exact talking points all the time. What's your thoughts on that? Like, pulled his feet to the fire and expose it for what it is and then let Charlie put Charlie on defense. This conversation was mostly newsome on defense.
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April
Right. And it also a little bit reminded me of when J.D. vance debated Tim Walls. He came across almost normal. It kind of normalized JD Vance a little bit. And I'm worried that what Gavin Newsom is doing is normalizing people like Charlie Kirk instead of realizing how dangerous they are to our democracy because of the influence that they have and because they are weaponizing. Despite Charlie's pushback on that, they are weaponizing the trans issue. They are weapon. It's all about fear mongering and they use the most marginalized people as, as props in order to gain power. So 100%, I don't think we should be normalizing them. Let's go to a quick ad break because we, we are way behind and we've got a lot more to cover.
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Debbie
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April
Welcome back to the Judas Tim and Jezebel April show.
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Robert Morris
Here we are.
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April
Here we are. Oh, my gosh. One of these days we're going to have a slow week, maybe. I would love a slow week, wouldn't you?
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Robert Morris
Yes and no. I love doing as much work as this is. It is a lot of work. I love doing this. I really do. And I love being live. I love being live. Don't know why. I just do. I really enjoy it.
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April
Yeah. And thank you everybody for being with us. It does feel more, I don't know, it's kind of like church in a way, where Two or three are gathered not to over spiritualize it.
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Robert Morris
All the.
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April
All the agnostics and atheists here are like, no, we're not. I'm just kidding. Love y'all. Love to.
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Robert Morris
Y'all pray this prayer get saved.
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April
I know. Eyes closed, heads bowed, all around this room. We got. Bring up a pad. Okay, so another big story that is happening, and this one is absolutely egregious. A Palestinian activist who was one of the protesters at Columbia University last year, who was protesting, protesting really at the time was Joe Biden protesting the American government's funding of the Israel just genocide of Palestinian people and all the bombs and everything that was happening there. And he was just arrested this week. He. His name is Mahmoud Khalil. He was here on a green card. Legally, he is a legal permanent student or a permanent resident of the United States. His wife is a United States citizen, and his wife is eight months pregnant. And he. At his student apartment where he lives in the lobby, he was detained by ICE and then moved to Louisiana at a jail there being detained. He has committed no crime. When ICE came to arrest him, they told Khalil, who is of Palestinian descent, he was born in Syria to Palestinian refugees. So ICE told him that his student visa had been canceled. Even though he's not here on a student visa, he is a legal permanent resident with a green card. His wife went to get his green card from her apartment and said, no, no, no, he's here. He's got a green card. But the officer said that his lawful permanent residency had been revoked. And so, yeah, he is currently being detained in Louisiana for really no reason except for protesting. The. The White House is saying that he was pro Hamas, that he was spreading pro Hamas propaganda, which terrorist organizations. Obviously what hamas did on October 7 was wrong. We completely disagree with that too. But there's no evidence that. That Khalil even spread this Hamas pro Hamas agenda. He's denied it. His lawyers denied it. Carolyn Levitt, who is the White House press secretary, claims she has the proof on her desk, has not provided that proof. So, yeah. So right now, the US Government is detaining an American citizen for his use of free speech.
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Robert Morris
That's right.
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April
That is basically what is happening. And his wife is eight months pregnant. And. And to be fair, they arrested him in New York and are holding him in Louisiana. His court hearing was in New York and they did not let him attend his court hearing. I think a jewel. A judge just on Monday allowed him to talk to his attorneys because prior to that they were not allowing him to speak to anybody. So, yeah, so this is. They're trying. The judge on Monday did halt his deportation temporarily to get through some of these hearings, because this is a very unprecedented situation. So he's currently still being held, though, in Louisiana. As this is going to go to another court hearing.
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Robert Morris
Why don't we. I want to drive this point home. That's the story. Right. And so you, you know, one of the things that we said in the title of this video and of this podcast is that Christians support this. And I can picture some people saying, what are you talking about? Who would support this? Well, I mean, William Wolf would support. I actually have this tweet pulled up I want to kind of go through. And so William Wolf, for people who don't know, is a raging racist Christian nationalist. And I, I mean racist like 100%. I've asked him why he doesn't embrace the term when he advocates for things that are racist all the time. He also used to be a part of the Trump administration back in 2016. He's a real. Just not a good human being, in my opinion. And I think that he really summarizes the. The sentiment of many Christian nationalists. Again, these are your free speech warriors, right? People who are going to say, oh, this pro censorship. And we've been so persecuted online. Thank God for Elon Musk and making Twitter or now X a free speech destination, et cetera. So he tweets out that he goes, I support the Trump's. The Trump administration's deportation of Mahmoud Khalil. He's not a citizen. He has no right to be here. He's purely. He's here purely as a recipient of our hospitality. And it's up. But even more, I support deporting any foreign nationals who protest against America. Okay? So there's just so many issues with that already. Again, it's like we say often about Christian nationalism. It's never about pluralism. It's not about constitutional rights for all. It's not about that. It's always about whatever privileges them and what keeps it. What keeps the nation very white. So Americans for Democracy, good friends of ours, responded and said, so you support him being ripped away from his pregnant citizen of a wife? Seriously, how Christian of you. And then he said the quiet part out loud. He retweeted that and said, behold the sin of empathy in action.
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April
Wow.
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Robert Morris
So. So just to get this, this narrative straight from William Wolfe, we are supposed to be a pro family nation that supports families and supports the nuclear family, but if the government rips away or rips apart a family by illegally arresting someone who's here legally, who has the papers, who is a citizen. Right. If he gets arrested away from his pregnant wife because this person is seen as an enemy of the state, according to William, that's just toxic empathy to decry it. So it's, again, I want to make this point so clear to you, the audience. It's never about pro family, broadly speaking.
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April
Right.
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Robert Morris
It's about certain families being protected and other families being ripped apart. It's never about the nuclear family as a broad idea. It's about a very certain or specific type of nuclear family that looks and acts and thinks a certain way. And when other families are torn apart by the state, by the way, William Wolf swoops in with the most batshit bullshit theology you ever heard of and says, behold the sin of empathy. Literally, by the way, I made up theology. Just made up out of thin air, made up. And this is how they frame it. It's despicable, it's disgusting, it's dehumanizing. And this is why me and you, April, and many others are Christians who are actively fighting against Christian nationalism. Cuz this is what America will look like if they get their way.
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April
Yeah, no, absolutely. And right now the Trump administration is framing any pro Palestinian voice as anti Semitic.
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Robert Morris
Yes.
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April
And as pro terrorism. So there's absolutely zero nuance. I mean, if I could describe the MAGA Christian nationalist movement by anything. It's just a black and white ideology. There's no nuance as something is either always wrong or always right. There's no middle ground. And so, but just, just to say happening right now at Trump Tower is a bunch of Jewish protesters are demanding the release of Mahmoud Good.
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Robert Morris
So I love that.
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April
Yeah. So, and the whole idea, I kind of feel like the push to make anything pro Palestine as anti Semitic is similar to saying that what we do. Right. Our talk against when we call out Christian nationalism is anti Christian.
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Robert Morris
Right.
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April
Like what we're, it's such a simplistic way of looking at something because a lot of Jews are not Zionists. Like Zionism being against Zionism is, is a completely different thing than anti Semitism. And, but there's no, there's there's no differentiating between those two things in the Trump administration.
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Robert Morris
Well, the funny thing too is that right now in the right wing Christian mega world, there's a huge influx of anti Semitism, like legit anti Semitism taking off where there are Christians saying things like the Jews control the media. Candace Owens the reason why she's so pro Palestinian is because she's incredibly anti Semitic. She thinks that Jewish people are controlling the levers of power in America. There's this huge conspiracy, and there's a huge civil war breaking out right now inside of that world. So if you want to find anti Semitism, maybe you should look inside your own world, in your own base Christian nationalist, because you are. You have people who are pushing that stuff hard, really hard right now. So I totally agree with you, April. And again, it just. I want to hammer this home over and over again until the day this show no longer exists. Christian nationalists use language that sounds nice. Oh, yeah. Protect family values. Yeah. Free speech. But what they mean is that our families, our speech, they will never, ever, ever extend that to other types of families that look different than them. They will never extend that to Muslim families. They will never extend free speech to other citizens that might protest against the government in America. We could have Nazis who wear masks, who pop out of U Hauls, protest with police escorts. And the right says nothing about that. That's free speech. But this man protests protests on a student campus or on a. On a college. The genocide of the Palestinians. Now you have to be deported.
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April
Yeah. Well, you also have to. What MAGA and this Trump administration and Christian nationalists say sounds good, right? When they say, we're protecting women from men and women's sports. But then on the flip side, are taking. Are stripping away reproductive rights from women, are wanting to take away their right to vote. They're doing all these things, but they're saying this, look, we're protecting women. It's the same thing of, like, look, we're against anti Semitism, which is great. I'm also against anti Semitism.
- [73:53]
Robert Morris
100.
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April
But they're saying. Saying that. While also regularly throwing out Nazi salutes now and bringing in a fascist government.
- [74:01]
Robert Morris
That's right.
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April
That would. That would hurt not only Jewish people, but all marginalized groups a thousand percent.
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Robert Morris
How do you claim to protect women when you bring back Andrew Tate to America? Yeah, it's the same stuff again. Every accusation is a confession. This is why we are so passionate about this, because we know what Christian nationalists want. They want a total takeover of American government, culture, politics, you know, the whole nine influence, entertainment. They want a full takeover. They are not looking to play footsies. And again, the data bears this out. They are the least likely group to support pluralism. They don't believe in religious freedom for all. They don't believe in democracy. Ultimately, they will only utilize these things whenever it's convenient to them. We have to call it out.
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April
Right. And then protests against Israel and the government for what they're doing to Palestinians is considered illegal.
- [74:53]
Robert Morris
Right.
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April
But then Trump pardoned everyone on January 6th who actually, like, committed crimes and people died. So it was a whole thing. It was a whole thing.
- [75:01]
Robert Morris
Or it's how Stephen Wolf.
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April
They're heroes. Yeah.
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Robert Morris
Or it's how Stephen Wolf, the author of Case for Christian Nationalism, can be. Oh, yeah, free speech. And then say on a podcast, I'm all about blasphemy laws because it's their free speech, it's their rights, it's their families.
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April
Speaking of protests, there's another protest going on that Trump is not a fan of.
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Robert Morris
Tesla.
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April
Tesla. Or as Trump would like to say, Tesla.
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Robert Morris
Oh, my. Yeah. Wait, should I just play that now? We need a palate cleanser.
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April
Let's pull it up. So if you missed it earlier this week, was that yesterday? Two days ago. I don't know when it was.
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Robert Morris
Here it is. I got it.
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April
Yeah.
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Robert Morris
Should I just play this a short clip? Short clip.
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April
Listen, I'll just say this is Trump and Elon Musk on the White House lawn where Trump is apparently buying a Tesla. And this is one thing Trump said. Go ahead.
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Elon Musk
I love Tesla.
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Robert Morris
Which one is mine? One more time. One more time.
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Elon Musk
I love Tesla.
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April
I love Tesla.
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Robert Morris
I love Tesla. Tesla.
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April
Okay, so, so Donald Trump did a whole ad for Tesla on the White House lawn because poor Elon's losing billions of dollars because people are boycotting Tesla because they don't want to support someone who throws out Nazi salutes and wants to dismantle democracies.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, no. Should we just. Should we. Should we read the tweet first? You want to read the tweets of how he flips up on this?
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April
Yes. So a few years. A couple years ago. Two years ago. Okay, so this is Christmas of 2023. So just. Okay, literally Christmas. He posted this on December 25th, 2023. This was Donald Trump's actual Christmas message to everybody.
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Robert Morris
Yeah. Here you go. It's all you, April.
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April
Merry Christmas to all, including Crooked Joe Biden's only hope, deranged Jack Smith, the out of control lunatic who just hired outside attorneys fresh from the swamp, unprecedented to help him with his poorly executed witch hunt against Trump and MAGA included. Also all our world leaders, both good and bad, but none of which are as evil and sick as the thugs we have inside our country, who with their open borders, inflation, Afghanistan, surrender green new scam, high taxes, no energy independence, woke military, Russia, Ukraine, Israel slash Iran. All electric car lunacy and so much more are in looking to destroy our once again great usa. May they rot in hell again. Merry Christmas.
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Robert Morris
We live in the stupidest timeline in existence.
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April
How? I don't know. I feel the Christmas spirit already. I'm right back in the holidays.
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Robert Morris
Okay, so that was Trump a year and a half ago, essentially. Not even.
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April
Yeah, so if he. The very end he says, all electric car lunacy. May they rot in hell. So not a fan of electric car lunacy?
- [78:22]
Robert Morris
Well, maybe, because here we are now.
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April
Yes. So I will now read this one from March 11, which was two days ago. So this week Donald Trump posted two Republicans, conservatives and all great Americans. Elon Musk is putting it on the line in order to help our nation and he is doing a fantastic job. But the radical left lunatics, as they often do, are trying to illegally and collusively boycott Tesla, one of the world's great automakers and Elon's baby, in order to attack and do harm to Elon and everything he stands for. They tried to do it to me at the 2024 presidential ballot box. But how did that work out? In any event, I'm going to buy a brand new Tesla tomorrow morning as the show of confidence and support for Elon Musk, a truly great American. Why should he be punished for putting his tremendous skills to work in order to help make America great again?
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Robert Morris
I.
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April
Poor Elon. Poor. The poor, poor richest man in the world is being boycotted. Tim.
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Robert Morris
And don't worry guys, this is who Charlie Kirk thinks is doing a great stand up, bang up job making America great again. And Gavin Newsom's like, yeah, no, you're right, you got some great points here.
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April
Also, Teslas are expensive.
- [79:48]
Robert Morris
They're expensive as hell.
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April
I'm happy to admit that I. I guess I'm also boycotting Tesla, but truthfully, I can't afford Tesla anyway.
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Robert Morris
I gotta be honest, April. On a side note, this is where I will admit it's hard. I've driven in a Tesla. I actually rented one. I got one for a steal, a nice one for 300 bucks for three days and it was really nice. It just was fun to drive. But on principle, I could never buy a Tesla given Elon Musk and the nonsense that he is doing. But yes, I mean, to your point, the fact that he's trying to make Elon Musk the world's greediest man, by the way, as some kind of victim from people, I love how he says they're trying to illegally and is Collusively. Even a word. And collusively boycott Tesla. How is it illegal to boycott something? That's all. That's all the right wing does. Boycott Target. They're woke. Boycott Disney. They're woke. There's literally a right wing infrastructure of, of. Of email blasts and text message blasts. And I know that because I them on my mom's phone all the time. Whenever I check her. Her phone, you know, I have to fix it as the tech guy. I just see so many texts. Stop Crooked Joe. Stop this person. There's a whole collusively organized infrastructure of right wingers who will tell you what to boycott when that's not illegal. But some people protesting Elon Musk at Tesla dealerships, that's illegal. What the absolute. I'm going to curse here. Trigger warning. What the absolute fuck are we doing? What are we doing? What are we talking about? What the hell are we talking about in this tweet? And why do people like Charlie Kirk think that this megalomaniac lunatic is somehow the man making America great again? It does not add up. It is crazy.
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April
Yes, it is absolutely crazy. Collusively is a word, by the way. It just sounds weird coming. It sounds extra fancy coming from Trump because he normally, normally says words like bigly.
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Robert Morris
And Tesla.
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April
And Tesla.
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Robert Morris
Do you want to play this clip of him?
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April
I do, but before we go in there, can you pull. Can you pull up his tweet one more time? I. For sure.
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Robert Morris
Sorry about that.
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April
Just point out that you and I grew up in a conservative world. I would just like to point out that we are the OGs of boycotts and cancel culture. I have a list here of some things that conservatives have point. And I'm, you know, shameless plug. I'm reading out of my own book, Star Spangled Jesus. I have a. I have a whole chapter on boycotts.
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Robert Morris
So this is.
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April
This is by no means an exclusive list. And I have the reasons for why these things were boycotted, but I'm just gonna read you real quick. Just, Just a few things. Okay, I'm ready.
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Robert Morris
I'm ready.
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April
The Barbie movie and Bud Light. That was more recent.
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Robert Morris
Obvs. Yeah, totally.
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April
Here's some other things. Ready? Teletubbies, Proctor and Gamble, Cabbage Patch Dolls, petsmart, Betty Crocker, NBC, Starbucks, Toys R Us, Oreo Cookies, Urban Outfitters, Nabisco's, Honeymade and Teddy Grahams, Chobani, Greek yogurt, Campbell Soup, TurboTax, the Hallmark Channel, Sesame Street, Dole Fruit Bowls, Ubereats, Ritz Crackers, Sobra Hummus. Scooby Doo cartoons, Peppa Pig Cartoon, Zale's Jewelers, Carter's Kids Clothing, Hershey's, Netflix Kay Jewelers, Zillow, eHarmony, etc.
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Robert Morris
Did you get Disney in there?
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April
I mentioned Disney earlier in the chapter, so it wasn't in that list. But there's literally a whole list of just Disney items. Also.
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Robert Morris
Wait, can I ask you a question? I don't want to belabor the point. I've never heard of some of these. Can you give me the story behind you said Teddy Grahams?
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April
Yes, because Honey Maid included a gay couple in one of their ads.
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Robert Morris
I believe that. I believe that. Pokemon cards, Harry Potter. Right. Yes, you're right. They are the OGs of the boycott.
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April
I mean, yeah, a good chunk of those lists were specifically boycotted by 1 million moms, which is actually more like 15,000 moms on a good day. But yeah, it's so wild to me that these people can be mad about boycotts. Like, y'all invented the boycott for the. For the dumbest reasons. I would say, though, progressives so far seem to be better at the boycotts than conservatives.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, sure.
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April
And also the test, the Tesla boycott is global. It's not just happening in the United States. Like literally all over the world, people are boycotting Tesla. And to be fair, there is some vandalism going on and some destruction of Tesla property, which is another topic that they were talking about. But also, Elon Musk did a Nazi salute.
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Robert Morris
Yeah, I mean, I mean, what is the right wing logic here? Right? Like, hey, there are consequences to your actions. I'm just saying, I don't support vandalizing property. Although there's an argument to make for it in some theologies. I will not discuss them here. Maybe later on. But as a person, I don't think that we should vandalize people's stuff. Okay, but also, like, what's the, what's. What's the logic here? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes? Like maybe don't give Nazi salutes. I don't know, Elon. Like, I'm no genius. Yeah, maybe stop gutting the federal government all willy nilly so you can keep profiting off of all of the deregulation that you're putting into place while the average American starts suffering. I mean, Elon wants to gut Social Security. It's absolute lunacy. Yeah. Anyway, okay, should we play the video now of this is a Real thing? I just want to point out this is a real thing. This is your tax dollars at work, people. This is Trump and Elon, which by the way, Elon's not wearing a suit and tie, which didn't right wing journalists call out Zelensky for not wearing a suit and tie in the Oval Office. But I digress. This is Trump doing a Tesla ad at the White House for Elon. Like, I just, I'm blown away by this.
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April
Unethical. At best.
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Robert Morris
At best. Okay, two minute clip. We'll play the whole thing. Here we go. President Trump, are you looking to buy or lease today?
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Elon Musk
Well, I'm going to buy and I'm going to buy because number one, it's a great product, as good as it gets. Number two, because this man has devoted his energy and his life to doing this. I think he's been treated very unfairly by a very small group of people at. I just want people to know that you can't be penalized for being a patriot. And he's a great man. And he's also done an incredible job with Tesla. And I mean, nobody else has a car company started up in the last 30 years. It's been successful to see, and not only successful, but super successful. And because he's able to find billions and billions and billions of dollars of fraud and waste and all of the things, I mean, our country is going to be very strong very soon because of a lot of the things that he's done and a lot of the things that I'm doing. And there's no better team, but there's no better for what we're doing. There's nobody like this and he shouldn't be penalized. And when I watched the other day, I said, I can't believe it. It should be the opposite. People should be going wild and they love the product. But because, because he's fighting all sorts of terrible things that have taken place against our country, they want to penalize him in a economic sense. And I just think that's very unfair. So I just want to make a statement. I'm going to buy one.
- [87:22]
Robert Morris
Now.
- [87:22]
Elon Musk
Here's the bad news. I'm not allowed to drive because I haven't driven a car in a long time and I love to drive cars, but I'm going to have it at the White House and I'm going to let my staff use it. I'm going to let people at the house, the place use it. What do you think?
- [87:35]
Robert Morris
Well, the car that I drive is.
- [87:37]
Elon Musk
The Model S class, which is that.
- [87:39]
Robert Morris
One, that red one in the middle.
- [87:40]
Elon Musk
I like that.
- [87:41]
Robert Morris
Yeah. This is, it's, it's zero to 60 miles an hour in two seconds.
- [87:46]
April
This is, they have lined up a bunch of test different Tesla cars.
- [87:50]
Robert Morris
This is a Tesla like dealership now.
- [87:52]
April
Yes.
- [87:53]
Robert Morris
Okay. How much longer is it literally brought.
- [87:54]
April
A bunch of cars for Trump to pick and then buy one.
- [87:59]
Robert Morris
By the way, I love the headline from Forbes. Breaking news. President Trump and Elon Musk speak to reporters outside the White House like wow, wow, Forbes, that is breaking.
- [88:11]
Elon Musk
That's pretty fast. I don't know if my people can handle it. Negative Jeff. They're going to be using it more. I'm not allowed to use it. This is a different panel than I've had. Everything's computer.
- [88:23]
April
Everything's computer. I love testing.
- [88:28]
Elon Musk
This is really amazing.
- [88:31]
Robert Morris
You got to get it.
- [88:32]
Elon Musk
Let's take a look at.
- [88:34]
April
So Elon and Trump are you think.
- [88:37]
Elon Musk
Biden could get into that car and.
- [88:40]
Robert Morris
Then why make a Biden dig? Like I don't.
- [88:42]
April
He brings up Biden all the time.
- [88:44]
Robert Morris
They are so petty.
- [88:46]
April
He claimed he could not drive a car because he's president, but there is video footage of Joe Biden while being president driving his Jeep.
- [88:54]
Robert Morris
Just saying that is a painful piece of audio. I, I, if friends if listening to this on, on the podcast and you're just screaming into the void, I understand that, that that's a painful two and a half minutes on every level. What does he say at the end of the day? What does he actually said? He said a bunch of nothing.
- [89:13]
April
So he's also holding some papers in there and someone got a close up of what he's holding and it's basically a Tesla just like informational ad piece where it has the prices of each one and like their pros and what they do. And at one one point Elon was like, oh yeah, you can go zero to whatever and blah blah, blah. Like it's, it's literally a Tesla.
- [89:37]
Robert Morris
Adam, we just live. It is such an unreal situation we have found ourselves in, in America because mostly of white Protestants thinking that this is the guy, this is the guy anointed by God, chosen by God, picked by God to save America. And again I, I want to just ask all of you out there, especially if you're a moderate conservative or a moderate evangelical, can you please tell me how any of this has helped you directly? Even this idea of oh, we're rooting out fraud and waste again, how have you benefited from it? Has there been more money in your paycheck? Are you getting more money on your tax returns? Are there more government programs to help you out if you need them? Like, like what is the win that you're actually benefiting from? Because Elon Musk has $38 billion worth of contracts with the government, so he's certainly benefiting. I would just like to. I like to know how we're benefiting because Trump endorses Tesla. The same man who, by the way, a year and a half ago said the electric car lunacy from the left is so wild now praising Tesla as. Oh, it's, it's computer. It's amazing.
- [90:44]
April
Like, dude, everything's computer.
- [90:46]
Robert Morris
Everything's computer.
- [90:48]
April
Can you, at some point, you just need a pull that I love Tesla.
- [90:51]
Robert Morris
I'm going to.
- [90:52]
April
I absolutely talk about Tesla. That we're just going to be like, I love Tesla.
- [90:56]
Robert Morris
I am absolutely pulling that clip. A thousand percent.
- [91:00]
April
Yes. Okay, everybody, if you're here, don't forget to give us a like and subscribe and do all of the things. And let's go to our final ad break. And we're a little bit behind, but I think we can make up time.
- [91:09]
Robert Morris
All right, we're doing it. Be back in two minutes. All right, friends, welcome back. By the way, if I'm yelling a lot, my monitor isn't working, so my bad on that. Not trying to get into the void, but, friends, welcome back to the show. Thank you for being here. Tim and April show live on Mondays and Thursdays at 12:00 Eastern and also out to podcast the following day. By the way, friends, I'm, I'm doing the Trump hand signals for some reason. I don't know why, but if you want to help us get to number one on the charts, I do think we can do it. I really do. Hit the link in the description, subscribe to the show, give it a rating and review. I will then eat pineapple pizza live on the air. Okay, let's get into something, April. Just a couple quick stories that we don't have a lot of time to get deep in the weeds on. But I do want to, I do want to talk about a couple of things briefly. Number one, the Department of Education is being cut. It's being dismantled. That is a thing that is happening. The Trump administration has, has requested that Linda McMahon to essentially cut the department in half. Okay, Now, a lot of people online are kind of freaking out, like, oh, my God, this is Project 2025. This is a really big deal. I want to help you out here for a second, friends. Okay, here's the headline I pulled up. Where is it? There we go. So this is from ABC Action News, Department of Education slashes half of its workforce fill the educator's brace for impacts. Look, I want to be honest about something. This goes way beyond Project 2025, and we will be doing a deep dive on this. In fact, April and I have been talking a lot about the importance of spending some time on this show to give you guys some foundational understandings of Christian nationalism and things like this. So we're actually working on different segments that we can bring in, including this upcoming Monday. We're gonna spend a lot of time unpacking what exactly Christian nationalism is from a Thousand Foot overview. But here's. I wanna. I wanna let you know about the. The public education system has been in the crosshairs of Christian nationalists for decades. I wanna just kind of prime the pump here. There are two main or two key people you need to know about. The first one, his name is RJ Rushduni. This is a man who comes out of the 60s and 70s. He's writing prolific idea called Christian Reconstructionism. He is advocating for a replacement of American civil law with what he calls is biblical law. And part of his big critique of the American system is that public schools are essentially indoctrinating children into humanism. Okay? They are taking kids into, you know, out of the church, out of the family, and they're indoctrinating them into these worldly and secular ideas. He becomes one of the big poster child or children for the modern homeschool movement. So in the 60s and 70s, he's telling pastors and, and families, hey, pull your kids out of public education. And also we should get rid of public schools in this Christian Reconstructionism, Reconstruction view that I have a couple decades later, Jerry Falwell, who is the founder of Liberty University, he comes along. He's the person who really mobilizes white evangelicals to really turn from being not super politically engaged to being pretty much in the tank for Republicans from Reagan onward. A lot of people think that Jerry Falwell got mobilized or radicalized over abortion. The narrative goes, Jerry Falwell saw the immoral decay of our culture via abortion and decided to get the moral majority in place to then fight back against this cultural decay. That is not the reality. Jerry Falwell was staunchly against the integration of schools. He actually preached a sermon called Brown v. Board of Education. And he essentially lambast the justices, saying that if the justices knew what God's will actually was, they would have never voted in favor of desegregation and using the federal government to enforce desegregation. You can actually look up the Data points on the explosion of private schools. Right as integration starts to take place. There's a huge white flight narrative. All this stuff. And Jerry Falwell is at. Is. Is on the. Is on the forefront of this pushing for privatization of schools. This is where we get modern homeschooling and private schooling. It doesn't come out of the idea of, hey, we want to give kids our own education. It comes out of, we don't want our kids around black people. We don't want public schools indoctrinating our children and infringing on our religious freedom. This is a huge point. We could do a whole deep dive on this. Bob Jones, et cetera. It's out of this. These seeds that were planted, gave birth to, hey, what if we got rid of the Department of Education? Because one of the key things the Department of Education does is it has a Department of Civil Rights law, where essentially part of its job is to make sure that all public schools are enacting civil rights that were passed in the 60s and 70s. Okay, so when you. When we. When we saw Project 2025 openly saying, we want the Department of Education defunded and eradicated, people who grew up as Christian nationalists like April and I knew exactly who thought about that and why they want that, because ultimately, they view the public school system as a place where students get indoctrinated. And they believe to make America Christian again, that must go away, and we must replace public schools with private schools, with homeschooling, with church schools, or at a minimum, have Christians like Jerry Falwell or Mike Johnson, whoever else, in charge of what public schools can and cannot teach. So that's just a teaser. That's just the short person version of when you see this happening, it's actually a huge conquest for the Christian nationalist right that's been in the works for decades. Not for years, for decades.
- [97:12]
April
And again, they're doing the same thing where they. Where they are saying one thing that sounds good. They want parents to have school choice. They want parents to be in charge of their children's curriculum. They don't want schools indoctrinating children. But what are they doing? All these home schools and private schools are actually what is indoctrinating children. They're teaching a very whitewashed version of American history. They're teaching American exceptionalism. They're. They're rewriting history in a way that always shows white Christian Americans in a positive light.
- [97:44]
Robert Morris
Yep.
- [97:44]
April
And if there are some bad ones, they were just bad apples. Like, it's just. It's Projection once again. And that's why that the whole war against CRT and WOKE ideology is because they know that these truthful narratives in our history make white Christians look bad. And so that's, that is a huge reason of why they're wanting to dismantle it because it makes it harder for them to indoctrinate their own children if they are learning facts and truth that counter those narratives in school.
- [98:16]
Robert Morris
Exactly. It was shocking when I learned a couple years ago that white evangelicals were on the wrong side of almost every major culture war issue in American history.
- [98:24]
April
Yep.
- [98:25]
Robert Morris
You know, largely anyway, of course there were some who were fighting against desec or that were fighting against. Yeah. Desegregation. But the overall majority of white evangelicals believed it was God's will for the races to stay separate. And they were also some of the staunchest groups of people fighting against the integration of their schools. And that's uncomfortable. It's, listen, it's an uncomfortable truth to learn. Like, no doubt about it. But yes, public private schools do a really good job of keeping their kids away from the uncomfortable reality and kind of prop themselves up in their theology up as the only way to understand objective truth. So we'll keep you guys posted on that for sure. But I want to at least give you that update that we are watching what's happening. It's, there's a much deeper tie here. And we'll keep you posted.
- [99:08]
April
Yep. And there. Okay, so there's one. Before we get to our weird Christian beep segment which. And then we'll end the show. There's one more story that we have to get to that literally just happened yesterday. It was last night that the news dropped. And, and this is huge. The founder of Gateway Church, Pastor Robert Morris, has been indicted on five counts of lewd or indecent acts with a child.
- [99:34]
Robert Morris
Yeah, I have a little, a couple, a few paragraphs here I can read. April, just kind of give people the, the very quick update if you're cool with that. So here's what I typed up. Robert Morris, founder of Gateway Church in Texas and former spiritual advisor to President Trump, has been indicted on five counts of lewd acts with a child dating back to the 1980s in Oklahoma. The alleged abuse began in December of 1982 when Morris, then a 2021 year old evangelist, visited the family of a 12 year old girl in Oklahoma and reportedly continued over four years, abusing her. Morris, 63, resigned from Gateway Church in 2024 following these allegations, leading to a significant decline in donations and a class action lawsuit alleging financial mismanagement, which, by the way, I believe a judge just threw that case out. The judge. The church has since removed four elders who either knew of the abuse or who failed to act upon learning about it. The victim, Cindy Cleveshire, now 55, expressed gratitude towards authorities for the indictment and hopes for justice. Oklahoma. Oklahoma Attorney General Gettner Drummond condemned Morris's actions, emphasizing the betrayal of. Of trust by a pastor exploiting his position. Morris had previously been involved in. Previously been involved in political activities, including serving on Trump's spiritual advisory committee and supporting Texas Governor Greg Abbott's 2017 bathroom bill. I will say shout out to Oklahoma for this. Right. Because Oklahoma is a huge place of Christian nationalism. The superintendent is a Christian nationalist. Shout out to Oklahoma and the Attorney General for pursuing this case and getting him indicted on these five charges. It's a huge win. If you want to deep dive on Robert Morris, you can go over to the New Evangelicals YouTube channel and you can see me and April's deep dive. Yeah, yeah.
- [101:14]
April
Because the news broke, the allegations first came out last year. He lost the church. He was asked to resign. So there was some accountability that the church did. They kind of handled it a little wishy washy, but we covered all of that. But interestingly enough, initially everyone thought that there was no way that charges could be brought because of the statute of limitations.
- [101:36]
Robert Morris
Right.
- [101:36]
April
But the Attorney General said that's not the case because Morris was never a resident or an inhabitant of Oklahoma at any time. And that was where this took place. So I guess they found a loophole. I don't know. I hope he gets convicted because honestly, the. The amount of child abuse that happens in churches.
- [101:56]
Robert Morris
Yeah.
- [101:57]
April
Is pretty widespread and we don't hear of most of them.
- [102:01]
Robert Morris
Yep.
- [102:02]
April
100% there needs to be held more accountable. And even when people do, like, even I saw on Facebook when Dallas Morning News posted the article, there were even some comments from Christians being like, oh, well, no, he's been forgiven. He's been redeemed, like. Or it's just lies. Like, there's still this innate knee jerk reaction for a lot of white evangelicals to defend when their heroes have moral feelings or are just, just flat out predators and abusers. Because, because you're. It's also ingrained in you in this world not to touch. God's anointed, to always protect our own. That you want to protect your testimony and the ministry. And that means more than anything. So anyway, we've talked about this many, many times, but I do hope this, this will set a new precedent that these men in power cannot abuse the positions that they've been giving and weaponize scripture in order to harm more children.
- [102:57]
Robert Morris
Yes. The two episodes, friends, if you want to find the deep dive, is about eight months ago, Robert Morris of Gateway church accused of sexual abuse. And then Gateway church lied about Robert Morris abuse allegations. They're both on the TNE YouTube channel, so make sure you're subscribed over there again if you want the full story. It's all there. So, yeah, I mean, it's great news. Hopefully we see him brought to justice. I mean, it's. It's abhorrent what happened to the victim.
- [103:20]
April
Yeah. Another positive for Oklahoma is this week, a judge blocked that said schools could not purchase all those bibles. Thank God for their classrooms.
- [103:31]
Robert Morris
Oh, good.
- [103:31]
April
Wow.
- [103:32]
Robert Morris
It turns out suppression of church estate still matters. Yay. Okay.
- [103:36]
April
Okay. All right, final segment of the day.
- [103:39]
Robert Morris
We have a new stinger for it.
- [103:41]
April
Weird Christian.
- [103:46]
Robert Morris
Nice. That's a little ding. This is a real fun one. This is a fun one.
- [103:53]
April
Yeah. Okay, so just for context. Yes. For people listening, this was in a youth group service. So the, the. I believe the person on top that's speaking is the youth pastor. He is wearing a cow suit that's got utters on the front. Is. Can you zoom in on this at all?
- [104:12]
Robert Morris
Let me see. Can I zoom in? Yeah, a little bit. Okay.
- [104:15]
April
So anyway, so just, just, just know that there's man. A very. A very, like, full cow bodysuit. Like he's got a cow on his head. Like he looks like a cow.
- [104:25]
Robert Morris
Yeah, it's like, it's like the chick fil, a mascot kind of suit. It's one of those, but only more outlandish.
- [104:30]
April
But only his face. You can only see his face sticking out of just a giant cow suit.
- [104:36]
Robert Morris
And. Okay, here we go. The caption reads, when the distraction is praying against distractions. Here you go.
- [104:45]
Elon Musk
Eliminate all distractions in the room. I pray these students would focus in that they would be hungry to hear your word, God.
- [104:56]
Robert Morris
I pray that you would pour out your heart, your love over these students. My man. My man is in a cow suit, like a big ass cow suit. And pray against distractions. And it's. It's like this super serious evangelical youth group moment. Right. Ones that April and I have been a part of so many times.
- [105:20]
April
And this is when the tears are supposed to flow.
- [105:23]
Robert Morris
Totally.
- [105:24]
April
Yeah.
- [105:24]
Robert Morris
Like you're gonna recommit your life to Jesus, Right. You're gonna get saved for the first time. Maybe if You're Pentecostal. You can fill with the Holy Spirit. That's all gonna happen here. And a dude in a cow suit is leading you through this prayer. Let's listen to it one more time. It's just. It's. It's just. It's. It's so easy. It's so great.
- [105:42]
April
He's so serious.
- [105:44]
Robert Morris
One more time. Here we go.
- [105:46]
Elon Musk
Eliminate all distractions in the room. These students would focus in that they would be hungry to hear your word.
- [105:56]
April
Eliminate all distractions.
- [105:58]
Robert Morris
Gotta pray that you would pour out your heart, your love poor. Oh, my gosh. I mean, they got.
- [106:05]
April
Utters are protruding. There are some huge utters.
- [106:08]
Robert Morris
They are humongous. Look at those things. That's got me, like, seven inches of utter. I mean, it's ridiculous. And, like, you know, look, so here's what's going on, right?
- [106:18]
April
Utter.
- [106:18]
Robert Morris
Oh, my God. April.
- [106:21]
April
No, no, I was saying I'm very distracted by. Let's play his prayer against distractions.
- [106:28]
Robert Morris
I'm distracted. This looks like. If I had to guess what this was, this is either a youth group retreat or some kind of worship night. There's a band behind him. You obviously hear the pad. Anyone who grew up in these spaces doesn't even have to be watching this to know what this room looks like. All right, Just. Just fill it in. It's there. And you got this, bro. This. I mean, talk about the sexualization of children. That calendar, it looks. It looks inappropriate to have on in front of kids. I'm just saying.
- [106:59]
April
I think the call is coming from inside the house, Mr. Youth Bastard. Eliminate all distractions. Distractions while wearing a cow's bow.
- [107:08]
Robert Morris
I just can't believe it. I just cannot believe it. That is weird Christian shit. Mission accomplished.
- [107:15]
April
Do we have. Do we have an email for this show? Right?
- [107:19]
Robert Morris
Yes. For what, though?
- [107:22]
April
Like, if someone. If. Like, for people. If they see stuff in the wild that could fall into this category for weird Christian shit, where could they submit?
- [107:31]
Robert Morris
Send it to News at the New Evangelicals Dot com. Because we made that email a long time ago for news segments for people to hear when we're. When we were doing the recap over on cnn, just send it there, because that's a pretty empty account, so I definitely will not miss it. But, yeah, if you have any weird Christian shit you want to send in for us to maybe cover news at the New Evangelicals.com was probably the best way to do it. So.
- [107:54]
April
Yeah. All right.
- [107:55]
Robert Morris
There we go. Well, we did it, April. Not bad.
- [107:58]
April
We did it. I love Tesla.
- [108:01]
Robert Morris
Friends thank you for being here. Make sure to give this stream a like, if you're listening on podcast, make sure you're following the show. We gotta get to number one. I'm just saying. I know we can do it. You know what? Wait. Before we sign off, let me check. Let's see if. Let's see if we've moved the needle at all. I'm checking now. Hold on one second. Okay. No, we're still at number four, so we can do it, though. Come on. David versus Goliath. We can do it. All right, friends, have a great day. See ya.
- [108:32]
April
Bye.
- [108:32]
Robert Morris
There.