75. Nick Shirley's Day Care Tale Fuels MAGA's Immigrant Hate

Podcast Episode Summary

The Tim & April Show, Ep. 75: "Nick Shirley's Day Care Tale Fuels MAGA's Immigrant Hate"

Podcast: The Tim & April Show (by The New Evangelicals)
Hosts: Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy
Date: January 2, 2026
Theme: Unraveling Faith, Politics, and Culture from a Christian Worldview Rooted in Love, Justice, and Inclusivity

Episode Overview

This New Year's episode delves into the viral right-wing claims of daycare fraud in Minnesota, focusing on YouTuber Nick Shirley's "exposé" that targets Somali immigrant-run daycare centers. Tim and April unpack the story's credibility, its narrative and political utility, and how these MAGA-driven tales exploit xenophobia under the guise of rooting out fraud. Through their conversation, they emphasize the importance of compelling, truthful storytelling as an antidote to misinformation, and reflect on the power of empathy and personal connection to transform perspectives.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening: New Year Reflections & Content Creator Realities

Tone: Relaxed, self-aware, humorous.
Main Points:
- Both hosts reflect on the pressures and paralysis of content creation—feeling the tug to comment on every trending story.
- Quote:
  - Tim (02:47): "There's always being in the back of your mind a little voice saying, you need to post about this... That is by far, for me, the hardest thing... to ignore when I'm trying to be present."
- They discuss their New Year’s resolutions to focus on quality over quantity, prioritizing thoughtful content over chasing the algorithm.

2. A Viral Accusation: Nick Shirley’s Daycare "Exposé"

[09:31–12:01]
Background on Nick Shirley:
- 23-year-old YouTuber from Utah known for prank videos and MAGA-aligned sensationalism, with no journalism background.
- Examples of past content: Filming migrants, paying day laborers to pose as Biden supporters, and hyperbolic video titles (e.g., "Portland Has Fallen: Antifa Take Control of City.")
- Quote:
  - April (11:46): "I would not go to this man for journalistic integrity."

3. Shirley’s Tactics & Baseless Claims

[12:16–15:53]
Shirley’s "method" involves knocking on doors of Somali-run daycare centers, filming when no one lets him in, and using this as "proof" of fraud.
Quote:
- April (15:53): "You can tell this guy has no kids... the doors are always locked. That is a protective thing… you can't just walk in."
- Tim (16:32): "Of course they wouldn’t open the door. Why on earth would they open the door to a bunch of strangers with video cameras?"

4. Debunking the Claims: Real Journalism Responds

[19:25–21:29]
Clip from a local news report refutes Shirley's evidence with security footage, confirming children are present at the center and operations are legitimate.
The center’s Somali-American staff describe increased harassment, triggered by the viral video.
Quote:
- Umi Hassan, daycare owner (20:57): "We pay our taxes, we do whatever we can to be a law-abiding citizen. At the same time, when one Somali does something wrong, we all get collective banishment."
Tim and April highlight how MAGA’s tactics have real consequences, leading to threats and vandalism against immigrants who are already vulnerable.
Quote:
- Tim (21:37): "The same movement worried about protecting kids… has no problem calling up daycare centers and harassing them despite having children inside."

5. The Importance of Sourcing & Critical Thinking

[23:21–26:23]
Tim and April attempt to independently verify Shirley’s numerical claims but are unable to due to a lack of public data and cited sources. They emphasize that's not journalism.
April notes that true journalism demands clear sourcing and verification—something absent in Shirley's work.
Quote:
- April (25:40): "As someone who actually did go to journalism school... If you say something in a piece, you have to back that up. The fact that he's throwing out numbers and isn’t backing that up with data is a huge red flag."

6. Fraud as a Dog Whistle, Not a Priority

[26:23–29:33]
Actual daycare fraud cases in Minnesota are already being prosecuted, many involving people of various backgrounds.
Large-scale fraud by major corporations and Trump allies is ignored by right-wing media, highlighting the selective outrage.
Quote:
- Tim (29:33): "This is not about fraud. This is about narrative building to target a minority group... because Donald J. Trump has called them garbage and scum and because these people want to make America white again."

7. The Power of Narrative, Propaganda, and Storytelling

[34:57–38:31]
MAGA/religious right media excels at weaponizing compelling stories—often fictional or exaggerated—to reinforce prejudice.
Tim references Jared Stacy’s upcoming book, noting that humans are moved more by stories than by data or facts.
Quote:
- Tim (35:14): "Conspiracy theories are compelling because they tell a story loaded with myth and narratives that people already believe."

8. Why MAGA Stories Are Believed: Community, Identity, and Cognitive Dissonance

[38:31–43:33]
April argues it’s easier to create compelling stories when unconstrained by truth. Many Christians' identities are bound up in believing the "good side;" to accept damning facts would require questioning their core self and past actions.
The infrastructure for MAGA stories is robust, quick-spreading, and financially supported—unlike their progressive or moderate counterparts.
Quote:
- April (38:31): "It is a lot easier to create more compelling stories when you’re not limited by truth..."

9. Empathy as a Threat: The Personal Power of Story

[43:33–51:35]
Both hosts share how relationships and empathy, not data, changed their own views on LGBTQ inclusion and systemic racism.
The right actively demonizes empathy because personal connection undermines the misinformation.
Quotes:
- Tim (48:35): "I was not changed... by data or facts. I was convinced because my first ever gay friend... became my friend, and he told me his story."
- April (50:38): "This is why MAGA and right wing Christians are demonizing empathy. They want you to shun the people in your life in order to protect the belief system."

10. Political Fallout: National Daycare Funding Freeze

[32:35–34:58]
Trump administration freezes all federal funds to U.S. daycare centers based on this viral, unsubstantiated story, causing harm far beyond Minnesota.
Quote:
- April (32:35): "Based on this person’s video of propaganda... the President of the United States has frozen all federal funding to daycare centers. Why do other children and parents have to suffer because of this?"

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

On sensationalist journalism:
- April (11:46): “I would not go to this man for journalistic integrity.”
On investigative ‘methods’:
- April (15:53): “You can tell this guy has no kids… The doors are always locked. That is a protective thing.”
On narrative-building:
- Tim (35:14): "Conspiracy theories are compelling because they tell a story loaded with myth and narratives that people already believe."
On empathy and transformation:
- Tim (48:35): "I was not changed… by data or facts. I was convinced because my first ever gay friend… told me his story."
- April (50:38): "This is why... right wing Christians are demonizing empathy. They want you to shun the people in your life in order to protect the belief system."
On the real-life impact:
- Umi Hassan, daycare owner (20:57): "…When one Somali does something wrong, we all get collective banishment."
On MAGA’s talking points:
- Tim (29:33): "It’s not about fraud. This is about narrative building to target a minority group… to scapegoat them… because these people want to make America white again."
On the Trump administration’s response:
- April (32:35): "Based on this person’s video of propaganda with no hard sources, the President of the United States has frozen all federal funding to daycare centers."

Annotated Timeline of Important Segments

00:00–05:07: Light New Year's discussion; pressures and realities of content creation
09:31–12:01: Introduction of Nick Shirley and his track record
14:53–16:32: Breakdown of Shirley's investigative ‘approach’ and critical commentary
19:25–21:29: News report debunks the daycare fraud claims; Somali-American owners speak out
23:21–26:23: Fact-checking Shirley’s funding claims and journalism standards
29:33: Tim summarizes MAGA’s real aim behind the fraud narrative
34:57–38:31: Discussion of propaganda, storytelling, and narrative’s power
43:33–51:35: Emphasizing empathy, personal stories, and their transformational effect

Signature Moments

(15:27) Tim and April’s incredulous reaction to Shirley using locked doors as proof of fraud.
(16:32 d) Tim’s summary of Shirley’s lack of self-awareness: “Read the room.”
(19:25–21:29): The news segment with visual evidence of children at the daycare, exposing the baselessness of the viral accusations.
(35:14–38:31): Tim’s mini-essay on the importance of storytelling and referencing Jared Stacy’s book.
(50:38–51:35): April’s reflection on how empathy is demonized because it changes minds and hearts.

Language, Tone, and Community

The hosts use a blend of humor, ex-evangelical candor, and frankness, often making light of former beliefs (“I was waiting to float up naked in the rapture”) while taking misinformation and hate seriously. They directly address their live audience throughout, read user comments/super chats, and stress their commitment to honesty and transparency.

Conclusion

Tim and April wrap the episode affirming the necessity of better storytelling to counter right-wing propaganda, defending the value of empathy and authentic, inclusive Christian faith, and previewing further in-depth coverage of the intersection of Christian nationalism and politics.

For First-Time Listeners:
This episode is a thorough deconstruction of how misinformation (especially with MAGA and anti-immigrant aims) spreads online, who benefits from it, and why empathy and genuine connection are crucial for cultural change. The Tim & April Show offers a refreshing, honest counterpoint to Christian Nationalist narratives—rooted in personal growth, justice, and the teachings of Jesus.

Next Up:
A special episode marking January 6th, exploring the religious roots of the insurrection, featuring expert scholar Matthew Taylor ([57:13]).

Memorable clip: "Anybody struggling with bulging dicks—discs." [60:31]
Ending the episode with laughter and levity, balancing the deep topics discussed.

Podcast Episode Summary

The Tim & April Show, Ep. 75: "Nick Shirley's Day Care Tale Fuels MAGA's Immigrant Hate"

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening: New Year Reflections & Content Creator Realities

Tone: Relaxed, self-aware, humorous.
Main Points:
- Both hosts reflect on the pressures and paralysis of content creation—feeling the tug to comment on every trending story.
- Quote:
  - Tim (02:47): "There's always being in the back of your mind a little voice saying, you need to post about this... That is by far, for me, the hardest thing... to ignore when I'm trying to be present."
- They discuss their New Year’s resolutions to focus on quality over quantity, prioritizing thoughtful content over chasing the algorithm.

2. A Viral Accusation: Nick Shirley’s Daycare "Exposé"

[09:31–12:01]
Background on Nick Shirley:
- 23-year-old YouTuber from Utah known for prank videos and MAGA-aligned sensationalism, with no journalism background.
- Examples of past content: Filming migrants, paying day laborers to pose as Biden supporters, and hyperbolic video titles (e.g., "Portland Has Fallen: Antifa Take Control of City.")
- Quote:
  - April (11:46): "I would not go to this man for journalistic integrity."

3. Shirley’s Tactics & Baseless Claims

[12:16–15:53]
Shirley’s "method" involves knocking on doors of Somali-run daycare centers, filming when no one lets him in, and using this as "proof" of fraud.
Quote:
- April (15:53): "You can tell this guy has no kids... the doors are always locked. That is a protective thing… you can't just walk in."
- Tim (16:32): "Of course they wouldn’t open the door. Why on earth would they open the door to a bunch of strangers with video cameras?"

4. Debunking the Claims: Real Journalism Responds

[19:25–21:29]
Clip from a local news report refutes Shirley's evidence with security footage, confirming children are present at the center and operations are legitimate.
The center’s Somali-American staff describe increased harassment, triggered by the viral video.
Quote:
- Umi Hassan, daycare owner (20:57): "We pay our taxes, we do whatever we can to be a law-abiding citizen. At the same time, when one Somali does something wrong, we all get collective banishment."
Tim and April highlight how MAGA’s tactics have real consequences, leading to threats and vandalism against immigrants who are already vulnerable.
Quote:
- Tim (21:37): "The same movement worried about protecting kids… has no problem calling up daycare centers and harassing them despite having children inside."

5. The Importance of Sourcing & Critical Thinking

[23:21–26:23]
Tim and April attempt to independently verify Shirley’s numerical claims but are unable to due to a lack of public data and cited sources. They emphasize that's not journalism.
April notes that true journalism demands clear sourcing and verification—something absent in Shirley's work.
Quote:
- April (25:40): "As someone who actually did go to journalism school... If you say something in a piece, you have to back that up. The fact that he's throwing out numbers and isn’t backing that up with data is a huge red flag."

6. Fraud as a Dog Whistle, Not a Priority

[26:23–29:33]
Actual daycare fraud cases in Minnesota are already being prosecuted, many involving people of various backgrounds.
Large-scale fraud by major corporations and Trump allies is ignored by right-wing media, highlighting the selective outrage.
Quote:
- Tim (29:33): "This is not about fraud. This is about narrative building to target a minority group... because Donald J. Trump has called them garbage and scum and because these people want to make America white again."

7. The Power of Narrative, Propaganda, and Storytelling

[34:57–38:31]
MAGA/religious right media excels at weaponizing compelling stories—often fictional or exaggerated—to reinforce prejudice.
Tim references Jared Stacy’s upcoming book, noting that humans are moved more by stories than by data or facts.
Quote:
- Tim (35:14): "Conspiracy theories are compelling because they tell a story loaded with myth and narratives that people already believe."

8. Why MAGA Stories Are Believed: Community, Identity, and Cognitive Dissonance

[38:31–43:33]
April argues it’s easier to create compelling stories when unconstrained by truth. Many Christians' identities are bound up in believing the "good side;" to accept damning facts would require questioning their core self and past actions.
The infrastructure for MAGA stories is robust, quick-spreading, and financially supported—unlike their progressive or moderate counterparts.
Quote:
- April (38:31): "It is a lot easier to create more compelling stories when you’re not limited by truth..."

9. Empathy as a Threat: The Personal Power of Story

[43:33–51:35]
Both hosts share how relationships and empathy, not data, changed their own views on LGBTQ inclusion and systemic racism.
The right actively demonizes empathy because personal connection undermines the misinformation.
Quotes:
- Tim (48:35): "I was not changed... by data or facts. I was convinced because my first ever gay friend... became my friend, and he told me his story."
- April (50:38): "This is why MAGA and right wing Christians are demonizing empathy. They want you to shun the people in your life in order to protect the belief system."

10. Political Fallout: National Daycare Funding Freeze

[32:35–34:58]
Trump administration freezes all federal funds to U.S. daycare centers based on this viral, unsubstantiated story, causing harm far beyond Minnesota.
Quote:
- April (32:35): "Based on this person’s video of propaganda... the President of the United States has frozen all federal funding to daycare centers. Why do other children and parents have to suffer because of this?"

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

On sensationalist journalism:
- April (11:46): “I would not go to this man for journalistic integrity.”
On investigative ‘methods’:
- April (15:53): “You can tell this guy has no kids… The doors are always locked. That is a protective thing.”
On narrative-building:
- Tim (35:14): "Conspiracy theories are compelling because they tell a story loaded with myth and narratives that people already believe."
On empathy and transformation:
- Tim (48:35): "I was not changed… by data or facts. I was convinced because my first ever gay friend… told me his story."
- April (50:38): "This is why... right wing Christians are demonizing empathy. They want you to shun the people in your life in order to protect the belief system."
On the real-life impact:
- Umi Hassan, daycare owner (20:57): "…When one Somali does something wrong, we all get collective banishment."
On MAGA’s talking points:
- Tim (29:33): "It’s not about fraud. This is about narrative building to target a minority group… to scapegoat them… because these people want to make America white again."
On the Trump administration’s response:
- April (32:35): "Based on this person’s video of propaganda with no hard sources, the President of the United States has frozen all federal funding to daycare centers."

Annotated Timeline of Important Segments

00:00–05:07: Light New Year's discussion; pressures and realities of content creation
09:31–12:01: Introduction of Nick Shirley and his track record
14:53–16:32: Breakdown of Shirley's investigative ‘approach’ and critical commentary
19:25–21:29: News report debunks the daycare fraud claims; Somali-American owners speak out
23:21–26:23: Fact-checking Shirley’s funding claims and journalism standards
29:33: Tim summarizes MAGA’s real aim behind the fraud narrative
34:57–38:31: Discussion of propaganda, storytelling, and narrative’s power
43:33–51:35: Emphasizing empathy, personal stories, and their transformational effect

Signature Moments

(15:27) Tim and April’s incredulous reaction to Shirley using locked doors as proof of fraud.
(16:32 d) Tim’s summary of Shirley’s lack of self-awareness: “Read the room.”
(19:25–21:29): The news segment with visual evidence of children at the daycare, exposing the baselessness of the viral accusations.
(35:14–38:31): Tim’s mini-essay on the importance of storytelling and referencing Jared Stacy’s book.
(50:38–51:35): April’s reflection on how empathy is demonized because it changes minds and hearts.

Language, Tone, and Community

Conclusion

Next Up:
A special episode marking January 6th, exploring the religious roots of the insurrection, featuring expert scholar Matthew Taylor ([57:13]).

Memorable clip: "Anybody struggling with bulging dicks—discs." [60:31]
Ending the episode with laughter and levity, balancing the deep topics discussed.

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Summary

The Tim & April Show, Ep. 75: "Nick Shirley's Day Care Tale Fuels MAGA's Immigrant Hate"

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening: New Year Reflections & Content Creator Realities

2. A Viral Accusation: Nick Shirley’s Daycare "Exposé"

3. Shirley’s Tactics & Baseless Claims

4. Debunking the Claims: Real Journalism Responds

5. The Importance of Sourcing & Critical Thinking

6. Fraud as a Dog Whistle, Not a Priority

7. The Power of Narrative, Propaganda, and Storytelling

8. Why MAGA Stories Are Believed: Community, Identity, and Cognitive Dissonance

9. Empathy as a Threat: The Personal Power of Story

10. Political Fallout: National Daycare Funding Freeze

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

Annotated Timeline of Important Segments

Signature Moments

Language, Tone, and Community

Conclusion

Summary

The Tim & April Show, Ep. 75: "Nick Shirley's Day Care Tale Fuels MAGA's Immigrant Hate"

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening: New Year Reflections & Content Creator Realities

2. A Viral Accusation: Nick Shirley’s Daycare "Exposé"

3. Shirley’s Tactics & Baseless Claims

4. Debunking the Claims: Real Journalism Responds

5. The Importance of Sourcing & Critical Thinking

6. Fraud as a Dog Whistle, Not a Priority

7. The Power of Narrative, Propaganda, and Storytelling

8. Why MAGA Stories Are Believed: Community, Identity, and Cognitive Dissonance

9. Empathy as a Threat: The Personal Power of Story

10. Political Fallout: National Daycare Funding Freeze

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

Annotated Timeline of Important Segments

Signature Moments

Language, Tone, and Community

Conclusion