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Tim
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April
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Tim
We are back.
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April
Hello.
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Tim
Hello, everyone. Hi, April.
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April
Hi, Tim.
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Tim
It's good to see you.
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April
How are you? You too.
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Tim
Great. Oh, I gotta say, I'm so happy to be back. This was, this is one of my favorite things to do, is to do this show with you, April, and with the audience. Even though it was new, it was a new thing, but it was great and it's awesome to be back. So. Hello, friends. Good to see all of you. Welcome back to the Tim and April Show. Make sure to give this video a. Like, if you're new to the channel, we go live on Thursdays. We are tweaking some things. We'll get into that in a minute and make sure to subscribe to the channel. So welcome in. Should we just get right to the elephant in the room? Where the hell were we for the past month?
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April
Yeah, I think let's just jump right in.
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Tim
All right, cool. So two things, friends. The first thing is, is that, so I, I, if you don't, I'm not sure. I'm assuming most of you know that I started an organization called the New Evangelicals and that is what is like the, the media umbrella that the Tim and April show is underneath. So there was actually the board of directors initiated a third party investigation between me and a contractor. That report is out, it's public, it's not a secret, and you can read the entire thing and a Q and A of what actually happened. And what's going on in the description below. Okay. But that came out March 16, so obviously I needed time to process that and go through all of that with. With. With. With the board. The board needed time to reprocess some things. And so if you have the report or what we did the investigation over, there are no secrets. There's literally a link in our. In our description right now. You can click it. There's an faq, and the full report is there. No redaction, no edits, no summary from me, just the full thing. You are more than welcome to read it. We're not hiding anything. But that was one reason why we. We paused for a bit. The other reason I'll let April kind of describe because it actually, you were the person, April. That kind of made me realize this other aspect of why we needed to take a break for a few weeks and kind of regroup. So take it away.
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April
Yeah. So, like, our show was doing really well, and I feel like you and I were both just, like, really well. We were kind of like we would not have stopped on our own because it was doing so well. You know, we were just kind of throwing ourselves into it. And so I didn't realize until we had stopped how much of a toll this work was taking on my own mental health and just how exhausted I was all of the time. Because we were going live on at that point, Mondays and Thursdays. The Monday live was really, I think, was what was getting to me because I was having to do research over the weekends, which was take. Which no one asked me to do. I just felt like that's what I should do because of our show Monday, just to be prepared. But when we were going live, we had to be extra prepared one, because it's live. And so we were ingesting, and I was ingesting just every single bad news story possible all of the time. I had all my news notifications on because not only, like, we just had to know what was happening in order to figure out what we were talking about and what was related to Christian nationalism. And so, like, even what we didn't cover on the show, There was probably 20 stories that we discussed that I had to know about that we decided not to do. And if you've been paying attention, it's a lot of bad news. It is a lot of bad news. And so I just realized I was not, like, it felt so important, you know, like, oh, my gosh, we have to. We have to do everything. So I was just kind of throwing myself really Hard into this work, which is important, but I just realized, like, I was becoming a little bit of a shell of a person and not. I just wasn't mentally. I was. My mental health was not doing well.
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Tim
Yes. The best way I can. I can describe it is it's like standing in front of a. Like a fire hose and just trying to catch whatever you can. It's like three. It's like a foot in front of you. You're just holding this massive hose, and you're just like, oh, my gosh, I'm trying to drink the water that's coming out of it. You're just getting hit in the face the entire time. And, you know, friends for a lot of people. And by the way, I didn't recognize how much work goes into doing stuff like this until. Until we started doing it, but there's a lot of work that goes into this behind the scenes before we hit that live button. It takes time to prep a. Just our knowledge on the stories. It takes time to prep all the different shots so things look smooth online. And I also was having the same problem where, again, April. Right. There was no. There was no contractual obligation to be working on a Sunday. We were both just working on Sundays to prep for Monday, and that was eating into both of our family time. And I agree. I don't think if we didn't take a break for, like, a week or two to kind of catch our breath, I don't think I would have realized either just how much of a mental toll all the content that you and I both do takes on us. Right? And so for this to be, like, sustainable long term, and by the way, we want it to be like, April and I have had a lot of talks. We spent the weekend in D.C. with our families a couple weeks ago. We'll get into that. We love the show. Like, we love doing the show. We love going live. We love talking to you. I love being able to interact and read, chat. It just, you know, the chat in real time, it just feels different doing a show like this. And frankly, we both agree. I think a lot of you out there feel the same way. There are not enough people talking about the Christian nationalist angle in all of this. Right. Why are the. Why are these mass deportations happening illegally? Well, there's a. There's a. There's a theology behind this. Right. So the work is important. But for us to be able to do this sustainably and do what we want to do with this long term, we have to be able to recognize that, you know, What? We're not the only people talking about this and we don't have to be online 247365 trying to cover every single story. So what we're going to do is the show's going to take a slight adjustment. We're still doing two pieces of content a month, but one is going to be pre recorded. Sorry, a week. A week. Sorry, a week. Weekly.
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April
Yeah.
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Tim
But one will be pre recorded and that will drop on Mondays as a standalone YouTube video. And those are going to be deep dives. I think that a piece that we can offer people is where did Christian nationalism come from? Who are some of the players that are animating a lot of this? Right. So we're going to, we're planning to do deep dives on Mondays and then on Thursdays we're still going to go live, cover what's happening in the news as much as we can and, you know, spend that time with all of you in real, in real time to hear your thoughts, see your perspectives and cover this stuff. So that's going to be the, the, the, the new show format happening going forward. So Mondays, a prerecorded, just post of a YouTube video that will also go on our podcast, by the way. So if you subscribe to our podcast channel, it will go there as well. And then on Thursdays, we're back here live with all of you talking about the stupidest timeline that we currently live in.
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April
Yeah.
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Tim
And covering the stories that are harming so many while offering you hopefully, a better path forward in your faith. That's kind of the plan.
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April
Yeah. I mean, because it is scary times. And what we're going to talk about today I think just emphasizes that point, you know, but like, I feel like I've been so like caught up in trying to save the future for my kids.
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Tim
Right.
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April
That like, I just, I don't want to miss their present. Like, there's this like, yes, it's a constant struggle. It's hard parenting right now because it's like, oh, I want to hurry up and get through this Trump administration so we can move on and have some kind of like, I just, you know, I can't wait to get through this part of history. But then I want time to slow down when it comes to my kids because they're only little once. So it's just, it's, it's a weird place to live in that, you know, that tension. But that is our reality.
- [09:06]
Tim
So our, our youngest now who's three will tell me, daddy, put your phone down when I'M playing with him and check my phone. Like he sees that and I'm like, you know, I don't want to be that parent because it's not my kids fault that I do content for a living. You know, I have to find ways to be present with them. And also, and this is, I'm allowed to share this. My partner is cool with it, but our oldest recently was diagnosed with autism. He's on the spectrum, which honestly was no surprise to us. But we're, we're happy to have the diagnosis. But again, like that just means that we have to be able to give him the attention and love and care that he needs and advocate for him in the, in the system. Especially with what's happening out there. You know, our health secretary RFK was recently saying how people who are artistic can't do poetry and can't sing. I'm like, what are we like, no, like now I have to really advocate for my child. So. So that's just a new thing in our life that we're also navigating. And for us to do this again long term and to be here for the next four years and longer, we have to be sustainable. And that means changing the show format a little bit, but still making sure that we're here for you guys as much as possible.
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April
Yeah. So there's some changes. We reserve the right to change it again if it doesn't do well. You know, just a little fine print.
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Tim
Exactly.
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April
So anyway, so one thing that we did do that we kind of wanted to just talk about real quick. That was kind of fun. This had been planned for a while, but both of us were at the Summit for religious freedom two weekends ago, I think now in Washington D.C. i was one of the keynote speakers. Thank you for having this picture, Tim. You're welcome.
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Tim
I took.
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April
It was a really cool experience talking about Christian nationalism. I think there were just, it was just a. I cannot. If you can go to Summit for Religious Freedom next year. It. The. The whole conference and weekend was very, very impressive. Including on Monday the. So the final day of the conference they had what they call Hill Day where they bused a bunch of us to Capitol Hill where we actually went in and lobbied our representatives, our. Like for me it was our Kentucky Congressman and our two senators, Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul and our kids. Like we all wrote postcards and hand delivered them. And I didn't know this prior to this day, but at any point anyone can just walk into like during business hours you can walk into your rep's office and literally hand off information and literature and petition your reps at any point, like the aides and the staffers that work there.
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Tim
This blew my mind. I. I just need to say this. Like, this. This blew my mind that you can walk up to Capitol Hill, so maybe some context. So the Summit for Religious Freedom hosted by Americans United, They're a great organization. Andrew Seidel and many other people there are doing amazing work, as you saw in this picture over here. We had Jamar Tisby with us and Monty, who's a great. A great voiceover on Instagram, doing this stuff. We got the protest that. That Saturday together. It was awes. This, April, I agree with you. This is what shocked me the most. So the Summit for Religious Freedom, they give you the opportunity to go up to the Hill, they call it Hill Day, and they bring you around and let you petition your representatives directly. And I. I'm like, you. I thought that you needed, like, appointments and security clearance, and you just couldn't walk into a government building and be like, here, Representative, here's my thoughts on this. But you can. You can do that. We made these little postcards advocating for different bills and saying, hey, we want. You know, we're really in favor of this. Please make sure you support this. And you literally just walk up to your rep's office, you find their little placard. You don't have to knock. You just walk right in. And usually there's like, an aide or someone there. You give them the postcard, say that you're one of their constituents, and they. They have to record it. They have to record that you did this, and apparently they listen. My mind was blown, April, when I realized that's how easy it was.
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April
Yeah. And they did say, too. I mean, obviously, sending emails is the quick and easy way, but if you want to mail them, like. Like, basically mail what you would send an email, do it on a postcard, because they don't accept envelopes. Do you have to, like, write it on your postcard?
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Tim
Sorry. This person says they just asked you to use the front door, not the wall. Yeah, yeah, right. I will say we did not storm any buildings during this time. We just walked.
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April
Like they could. That's the thing. On January 6th, they literally could have just walked up and. And petitioned their people.
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Tim
They could have done that. Like. Like, they literally could have. What they could have done. Like, here's a different. You know, in some timeline, this is what happened, right? There's a bunch of people there, and they're like, you know what? We're really concerned about the direction of our government. I'm not sure if this election was done fairly. Let's do a mass postcard campaign. Let's get 40,000 patriots to sign up, walk in peacefully, and just give our reps tens of thousands of postcards, and that's how we're going to petition the government peacefully. That's a real scenario that could have happened on January six. Like, there's nothing stopping you. The security is limited. You walk through a metal detector. Yeah. You get through and you're in. That's it. You're just in. But no, no, that wasn't. We couldn't do that.
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April
Yeah. So no storming was done. We calmly walked with our postcards and lobbied. And my. It was, like, really cool to have my kids there, too. I think that was my favorite thing, is my whole family got to come with me this time. And I don't know, it was just. It was just very, very cool.
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Tim
It was cool. I'm with you. Yeah.
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April
So let's go to our golf tracker.
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Tim
Oh, yeah. It's been a while.
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April
It's been a while. Where are we?
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Tim
It's been a while. All right, let's see. So if you're new to the show, we've been tracking two things recently. We've been tracking the price of eggs because, as Trump said, we're going to bring prices way down. So. True. And we've been tracking his time spent golfing. We are now 87 days in office. Okay, so this tracks Trump's golfing attendance. And Trump has spent a quarter of the time golfing since he's been in office. So 87 days in office, 23 days spent golfing gives you a grand total of 26.4% of the time. Trump is golfing. Yep. I mean, you know, the economy is tanking, tariffs, Trump's terrorist plan is ridiculous, and the Dow Jones is just tanking. And Trump is out there golfing because, you know, maga, baby, we are so back.
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April
Fun times. Fun times to be had by.
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Tim
Check the. Check the price of.
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April
Not a lot of people. Yeah, we'll check the price of eggs. All right, Keep consistent.
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Tim
Yes, let's keep consistent. So the price of eggs has actually dropped quite drastically over the past looks like the past month or two, they're down to an average of $3.11 a dozen. That's down by 50%, however. And listen, I am going to be a little picky here because I know that, that, that MAGA pundits were all about the economy. You know, all about how Joe Biden's tanking the economy, how prices are higher than ever. While it is true that, as you can see here, egg prices took a major dive. They are still higher. They are still higher by almost a dollar than, than when Joe Biden was in office. So I'm just saying, like, you know, it's. Yes, prices have, have, have lowered, but the new low is still, still very, very high, to be clear. So I just wanted to point that out. Indiana, thank you so much for the super chat. Thank you.
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April
I don't know if eggs are the best way to track things, because when these tariffs, when we start feeling the effects of those, it's not going to be good if they even fit, like, continue, because these every day, it's like tariffs on, tariffs off, tariffs on, tariffs off, double tariff, triple tariff, triple dog tariff, tariffs off, triple, delayed tariff.
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Tim
Yeah, it's wild, dude. It's, it's, it's, it is. Did you see that clip of Benny Johnson, the right wing commentator who was like, losing? He literally said, losing money costs you nothing. They're just ones and zeros trying to defend the stock market tanking because of Trump's policies. That's a real thing.
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April
He said, oh, man, I can't. Oh, my gosh. All right, well, let's get to our main story, which is actually very tragic and infuriating for multiple reasons. So I'm sure you all have heard, but there was a. He was a father living in Maryland, married to his wife, who's a full US Citizen, Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
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Tim
Yeah.
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April
Who a few weeks ago was accidentally deported to El Salvador. They, immediately after it happened, his lawyers were saying this was a mistake. The Trump administration admitted it was a clerical or an administrative error, that he was not supposed to be deported to El Salvador. And basically they said, but I guess, you know, there's just nothing we can do about it. Do you want to get into the details of this case?
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Tim
Yeah, I do want to take a few minutes here to kind of go through first just what we know about this story, because it's like most stories, complicated. And then we can kind of give our opinion on what's going on. So I actually have two different news sources I'm gonna be reading from. So let's just start from the beginning. Okay. So like you said, April, this is according, by the way, I think, to, to NBC News, the. Yeah. The U.S. supreme Court ordered the Trump administration to facilitate Kilmar Abreu Garcia's return because, like you said, it was a mistake. And also he. He had protective status in the US and the White House is claiming, hey, we can't retrieve this guy. Sorry. You know, again, we can bring back Andrew Tate. We can facilitate the the return of Andrew Tate back to America. The women on camera, but we can't facilitate this guy. We're just too weak and pathetic.
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April
We need to emphasize that. The Supreme Court ruled nine. Oh. It was unanimous that they agreed that the Trump administration, including all of Trump's picks.
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Tim
Yes.
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April
Said, yeah, you need to bring this guy home 100%.
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Tim
So, okay, so let's get into just who this person is. All right, so this is according to the. I'm gonna start reading out from the article here. Abrego Garcia, 29, lived in the US for roughly 14 years, during which he worked construction, got married, and was raising three children with disabilities, according to court records. The Trump administration officials says said that he was deported last month based on a 2019 accusation from local police in Maryland that He was an MS.13 gang member. Abrego Garcia denied the allegation and never was charged with the crime, his attorney said. And then it goes on to say details here, page three. Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador's capital city, according to court documents filed in US immigration court in 2019, and his father was a former police officer. His mother sold a sign. I can't pronounce it. I'm just gonna say they he his mother sold food, the nation's signature dish of flat tortilla pouches that hold seeming blends of cheese, beans and savory pork. A local gang called Barrio 18 began extorting the family for rent money and threatened to kill his older brother Caesar, or force him into their gang if they weren't paid, according to court documents. The family complied, but eventually sent Caesar to the US and the family was was targeted like intensely. US Immigration and Customs Enforcements alleged. Oh, sorry, this is the wrong page. My bad. Page four. The family moved 10 minutes away, but the gang threatened to sexually assault and kill Abrego Garcia's sisters, according to court records. The family shut down the business moved again and eventually set Abrego Garcia to the US so he arrived in 2011. He did not arrive legally. Abrego Garcia fled to the US illegally around 2011, the year he turned 16, according to court documents filed in his immigration case. He joined his brother, now a U.S. citizen, in Maryland, and found work in construction. About five years later, Abrego Garcia met Jennifer Vasquez Sura, a U.S. citizen, according to court records. And in 2018, after she learned that she was pregnant, he moved in with her and her two children. They lived in Prince George county just outside Washington. So I'm, I'm going through the whole story because it's, it's important to understand the context. U S Immigration though and Customs Enforcement alleged that he was a certified gang member based on information that came from a confidential informant used by county police, according to the records. According to Abrego Garcia's attorneys in his current case, the criminal informant had alleged that Abrego Garcia belonged to an Ms. 13 chapter in New York where he has never lived. The information was enough for an immigration judge in 2019 to keep Abrego Garcia in jail as his immigration case continued. According to court records, the judge said that the informant was proven and reliable and had verified his gang membership and rank. So according to this judge, he believed this confidence, this confidential informant's story that Abreu Garcia was part of MS.13. But again, Garcia, you should know, has no criminal history in the US or in El Salvador and denies being associated with this gang. In October 2019, an immigration judge denied Abrego Garcia's asylum request but granted him protection from being deported back to El Salvador because of, quote, a well founded fear of gang persecution. According to his case, he was released and ICE did not appeal the case. Abrego Garcia checked in with ICE while the Department of Homeland Security issued him a work permit, according to court filings and he joined a union and was employed full time as a sheet metal apprentice. In 2021, Vasquez Sura, this is his wife, filed a temporary protection order against Abrego Garcia stating that he had punched, punched, scratched and ripped off her shirt during an argument. The case, details of which are released by Trump administration officials that were to miss several in this. These accusations were dismissed several weeks later, according to court records. Vasquez Sura said in a statement after the documents release that the couple had worked things out privately as a family, including by going to cancel counseling, quote, after surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship. I acted out of caution after a disagreement with Kilmar by seeking a civil protective order in case things escalated. She stated things did not escalate and I decided not to follow through the civil court process. Kilmar has always been a loving partner and father and I will continue to stand by him and demand justice for him. She said he and Vasquez were raising three kids, including their five year old son who is, who has autism, is deaf in one year and unable to verbally Communicate. According to the complaint filed against the Trump administration, they're also raising a 9 year old with autism and a 10 year old with epilepsy. And like we said, the whole reason why this case broke is because the Trump administration mistakenly deported him. Now, I want to read one more thing before we get to our own opinion here. This is a separate news article because I was doing some digging. I'm like, well, what's up with like this informant and this cop?
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April
And what article were you just reading from?
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Tim
That was NBC News.
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April
Okay.
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Tim
This is from Channel 4, a local affiliate here. It's called News 4 Report. So I'm going to just read from them a different perspective on some of this stuff, just so you have all the context and we'll get into it. The Trump administration has repeatedly claimed that Abrego Garcia was a member of Ms. 13 and recently included an allegation without providing evidence that the 29 year old was also involved in human trafficking. But in court documents examined by News4, the only allegation Abrego Garcia was in a gang came from one Prince George's county police officer who was later fired for misconduct in office. That's important. On page two at the bottom, this is the court documents. It says Exhibit 4 is a prince George's County Police Department gang field interview sheet. It was issued for the limited purpose of showing that the respondent was labeled a gang member by law enforcement. The attorney who represented Abrego Garcia in that proceeding said it was written by Officer Ivan Mendez, who claimed a confidential source came forward to say that Abrego Garcia was a member of Ms. 13. In fact, in a document denying Abrego Garcia bail for the first time on April 29, 2019, a different immigration judge even wrote, quote, the determination that the respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely information contained in the gang field interview sheet. That sheet was released on Wednesday by the Department of Justice. It says that when officers stopped Abrego Garcia, he. He was with two known members of Ms. 13 and the third man suspected of being in the gang. Hang on, friends. We're getting there. I want you to understand what's going on here. This is important. The documents say that Abrego Garcia was wearing, quote, a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents on the separate denominations. Wearing the Chicago Bulls hat represents they are a member in good standing with MS.13. Officers contacted a past, proven and reliable source of information who advised that Abrego Garcia is an active member of MS.13 with the Western clique. However, Abrego Garcia's attorney said the western clique is in New York, where the 29 year old has never lived. And then we're almost done hanging him there. When Prince George's county police stopped Abrego Garcia back on March 28, 2019, he was standing in a parking lot with three other men. He was looking for work. And according to the attorney who represented him back then, the officer who stopped him was suspended four days later and accused of misconduct in the office. In a statement in news for Lucia Curiel, the attorney who represented Abrego Garcia at his immigration hearing said, quote, at Kilmar. At Kilmar Abrego Garcia's immigration court hearing, the ICE attorney stated to the judge that the only intel they had on him was in fact that the intel from the Prince George's county gang unit officer. They had nothing else. And the officer responsible for the allegations was later fired. So really, it comes from a lot of hearsay, this idea that he was found to be in an MS.13 gang. And this is the whole thing, this is the entire piece of information you all need to understand is that this case is complicated because there's a lot of layers to it. But the information that he was in a gang comes from someone who said that he was standing next to two other men that were apparently in this gang. But his attorneys argue he was standing in a Home Depot parking lot looking for work at the time and was just next to them looking for work. So that's kind of the major story that I wanted to kind of just present the actual story as we know it and as we understand it, then we can kind of unpack it. Right.
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April
I think it's important to. It's. It's only complicated because the Trump administration is lying nonstop about what has actually happened. They admitted error because here. But here's the thing. Even if everything that you know, even if he was here illegally, what they're doing is still not okay, because you're supposed to go through due process. And let's not forget that the prison that they're going to in El Salvador is a place intended for terrorists. It's known for torture. It's incredibly inhumane. The pictures coming out of there. They're treating human beings like cattle. It feels much more like a concentration camp, a death camp, perhaps, than just your everyday prison. It's not like a prison here, which we've got prison problems as well. But like this is, it's not, not to mention it's not just Abrego Garcia who has been wrongly deported. You've got a makeup artist from Venezuela who was deported based on his crown tattoos. That's it. There was a teen, a 19 year old teen named Merwell Gutierrez who was dragged off the street. Literally they're kidnapping people off the streets. And ice in this 19 year old's case said, oh, this is not the person, this is not the person we were looking for. And then they were told like, oh, we'll just grab them anyway. Deported to El Salvador.
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Tim
Yep.
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April
Not like they're literally just grabbing people that they're not even intending to do. And like there's just so many mistakes that are happening. And according to the Los Angeles Times, they have found that about 90% of the migrants that have been sent to El Salvador did not have a US criminal record. Yeah, like a good majority of these people have not committed a crime. They're not violent. Like they're claiming to be. They are literally, they're looking at tattoos, they're looking at hats and they're literally just like, because of this, you have to be a gang member and now you have to be not just thrown in prison.
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Tim
Yep.
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April
A torture terrorist prison. That is completely inhumane. Like if this is not making you angry like that, that is the thing that is just so mind blowing to me is you have all of these right wing Christians that are justifying this because, oh well, he was here illegally or he has connections with the gang member, but he has, there is zero evidence that he has been violent, that he has done any crime for. And not just him, but for a lot of the migrants that are being sent there. And I don't understand how we can be okay with this. Like these are human beings. This is a father who has children, who's, whose kids now are going to sleep without their dad.
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Tim
I, I completely agree. I mean, I, I don't, I'm not even sure else how, how to add to that. Yes, exactly. I mean, again, let's be very clear in Kilmar's case, right? No criminal history in El Salvador, no criminal history in America. You literally have hearsay. You have someone who, who said this person is affiliated with this gang because we think that's what's going on. No hard evidence, no documented evidence. Right. And also how, ok, you can't have it both ways. You can't, the Trump administration can't say this guy was a gang member and then say, oh, he was deported because of a clerical Error. Then, wait, which one is it? So are, are you not deporting actual gang members like you say you are, or is he not a gang member? Because both of these things can't be true at the same exact time, Right? And that's because this entire setup, what we're watching happening with the Trump administration is not about due process. It's not about protecting the country. It's about getting rid of certain types of people and what they look like and where they're from and what language they speak to maintain a certain ethnic identity in America. This is why we don't see stories of people who are European looking or from European descent being ripped off the streets and deported back to Germany or Finland or Canada, because they're not targeting those people. And so what they have to do is they have to create narratives, right? Oh, these are gang members. But there, many of them, most of them, the majority of them are not. And every day you go online, you see another video of an ICE agent bashing in a window where there's a pregnant woman taking her out of her car to deport her. On what grounds? On what charges? It's, it's, it's wild that we're here, but it's, it's also intentional. And I think this is what a lot of people who maybe don't track Christian nationalism don't understand. For the Christian nationalist, especially your hardline Christian nationalist type, I'm talking about your William wolves, etc. This is great. This is awesome. Because don't forget Christian nationalism, your, your, your Charlie, Crooks of the world, etc. They believe that, quote, third worlders, that's the term that they use, are destroying the country. And that. In that, in that, in that. And that people who look and act like Charlie, AKA white people, are being replaced by, by, by foreign born people in order to, to, to change the voting demographic of the country. This is documented language from Charlie Kirk, from all those people. So what Trump is doing is just part of the playbook that they've had four years to make, right? Biden was in office, the Trump people and Charlie and Project 2025, that all gets made behind the scenes over the past four years with a game plan that if we can get this guy in, there is a plan of action and it looks like this. And the result is that suddenly the family of pro, the party of pro family values is ripping people away from their children and deporting them illegally. Because the Supreme Court ruled 9 to 0 that the Trump administration must facilitate the return of Kilmar. So he was illegally deported back to El Salvador in. In. In a prison that is notorious for inhumane living conditions while his. His wife and his children are here suffering. And somehow this is. This. This is. This is the pro family position, April. These are family values. This is a biblical worldview. It's ridiculous.
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April
Yeah. Do you want to play some of the videos that we have? Because one thing that is particularly. I mean, it's all infuriating, but one thing that is really pissing me off is how everyone in the Trump administration is just lying about, like, Stephen Miller, for example.
- [34:37]
Tim
Sure.
- [34:38]
April
That, like, they're going on and just. They're. They're twisting the SCOTUS ruling and somehow trying to make it seem like, oh, it was nine. Oh, in favor of Trump.
- [34:46]
Tim
When.
- [34:46]
April
That is not. That is not what they ruled at all.
- [34:49]
Tim
So this is Stephen Miller looks like it's what with. With President Trump and the President of El Salvador. Right.
- [34:55]
April
And he's. Yeah. Stephen Miller is the White House Homeland Security advisor who's kind of over, like, a lot of the immigration stuff.
- [35:02]
Tim
Promise you, if he was your neighbor, you would move right away.
- [35:05]
April
So you don't plan.
- [35:05]
Tim
But the Supreme Court's asking to. In the Supreme Court. Steve, was it nine to. Yes.
- [35:12]
April
There's a nine.
- [35:12]
Tim
Zero in our favor. In our favor against the district court ruling saying that no district court has the power to compel the foreign policy function of the United States. As Pam said, the ruling solely stated that if this individual at El Salvador sole discretion was sent back to our.
- [35:29]
April
Country, that we could deport him a second time. Well, no version of this legally ends.
- [35:34]
Tim
Up with him ever living here because.
- [35:35]
April
He is a citizen of El Salvador.
- [35:38]
Tim
That is the president of El Salvador. Your questions about it, per the court, can only be directed to him. I. Yeah. Okay. So the argument is that he's saying that the Supreme Court decision was actually in their favor when it largely was not. I think that. That the Supreme Court agreed that one of the lower court judges overstepped how soon they had to bring back Kilmar. But still, the Supreme Court was pretty clear about that.
- [36:01]
April
So here, the supreme court ordered on April 10 that the government must facilitate Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return to the United States. But they stopped short of backing the lower court's earlier directive that used the word effectuate, which is a little more enforceful. So it's a difference of facilitate versus effectuate. But they still said that they must be taking steps to facilitate his return 100%. Like, they ruled against Trump.
- [36:31]
Tim
Yeah. Yeah.
- [36:32]
April
They didn't quite go far enough to enforce it. But here's the thing. They're not even facilitating, you know, like, they could easily just be like, well, we asked. Like, they're not even asking. I thought Donald Trump was the greatest deal maker in the history of the world. You can't, you can't get a president of another country to give you someone that you're paying there.
- [36:54]
Tim
Can't do it, April. Can't do it. He can call the Kremlin, he can call Russia, he can get Kim Jong Un to hang out with him, but he cannot facilitate the release of someone who should never have been deported in the first place. That is just a bridge too far. Poor guy.
- [37:10]
April
Yeah. So they're literally just rewriting. I mean, right now we are, we are actually in a constitutional crisis because you have the executive branch that is defying the judicial branch.
- [37:26]
Tim
Yes.
- [37:27]
April
And someone's got to do something about that Congress. Like, I don't know how they're going to enforce it, but you literally, like, what Trump is doing goes against the entire purpose of our checks and balances.
- [37:41]
Tim
So it is, it is so fascinating to watch right wing pundits go from Joe Biden is the most tyrannical authoritarian president of all time and the deep state is just controlling our, our country, to watching Trump, who, by the way, did say that he would be a dictator only on day one, lol. Literally defy court orders, defy his own Supreme Court that he nominated to those, to those positions, only to be told by the same people in the right wing space. Wow. Trump is really a mastermind. This guy knows what he's doing. He's saving America. And that's because, April, as we talked about many times, it's not about democracy. Like, these people don't want democracy. These people want total power and total control. And tearing down the government and gutting it from the inside out is step one in that process. That's why they gave Elon Musk, you know, the golden key to the castle, just to run amoking in the and gut departments. That's why the Department of Education is being, is being gutted. This is all part of the plan to remake America in the image of Christian nationalism. That will essentially give us a theocracy.
- [38:48]
April
Right. And not only are what they doing right now wrong, I mean, obviously it's wrong what they're doing to what. Who, what they would be called, quote unquote, illegal immigrants, but a lot of these people are actually here legally.
- [39:02]
Tim
Totally.
- [39:03]
April
But if they can just pull people off the street with no due process. And like, literally just using word of mouth. You're in a gang. You get to go to El Salvador. They can do that to anybody, to me and you, anyone that you know. We're going to get to this later. But they're, they're, now, they have this whole anti Christian bias.
- [39:22]
Tim
Yeah.
- [39:22]
April
Task force, like, it's not going to stop with immigrants.
- [39:28]
Tim
That's right.
- [39:29]
April
They will continue this if going unchecked like this. This is why this is so scary. Like, we are, we are at the very beginning stages of fascism. And I don't understand how people can't see it. Like, it is so infuriating. We've got Holy Week and Easter coming up this weekend and people are going to be praising their hands and worshiping a God and Jesus who is literally about taking care of the least of these. What you do for the least of these, you did for me. And then they are just sending the least of these to terrorist prisons for literally no reason. For a lot of these people is zero reason. They don't have any justification. They're just picking people off the street because they can. And this, this is not going to end well also. Well, anyway, I'll, I'll save that for the anti Christian bias part.
- [40:22]
Tim
Okay.
- [40:23]
April
But one of Trump's advisors, literally, I just, I got the article today. Suggest that people who are critical of their deportations, of the Trump administration's deportation, that they, they're actually breaking the law, that it should be a federal crime to become a critic of these deportations. Like, that is actually something that a Trump advisor suggested today. The person was, he's the White House Senior Director for counterterrorism, Sebastian Gorka. Like, if they can go after, if, like they're already suggesting that people. That it is a crime to just critique the President, that this is fascism. Like, there's, there's no, like that's, we're not approaching it. That's here.
- [41:15]
Tim
President Trump literally is trying to take away Harvard's tax exempt status for defying his orders. First he froze $2 billion in funding and now who's going after their IRS tax exempt status? This is, and when you think about it, right, when you think about how for years we've heard about these culture war issues, right? Oh, higher education is Marxist indoctrination centers, Department of Education is, is, is, is too big and it's communist led. All these different pieces of propaganda. This is ex, this is all intentional. They are flooding, you know, Joe Biden's 5 million illegal immigrants are destroying the country. Open borders are flood. They've been setting up for years with this rhetoric to do these things. Why do you think. Why do you think that the Proud Boys were not labeled a terrorist organization in this country when they literally facilitated with Trump the. Over the attempted overturning of our democratic process? Literally. The founder of the Proud Boys just got out of prison recently because he had a freaking game plan to overturn and to. To overthrow the government in tandem with Trump's orders. Why aren't those January Sixers being deported to El Salvador? Why? Why, why were they freed? Because it's not about the principle of law and order. It's not about the principle of, of, of the separation of powers. These folks who are very authoritarian and who are Christian nationalists, absolutely believe in using these things to their advantage every single time, right? So when law and order makes sense, now we're a party of law and order. When tyranny makes sense, now we're a party of tyranny. When, when, when, you know, when, when, when, when we don't want more brown people in this country, we'll label this gang a terrorist organization. But you know, the Proud Boys, we have to be largely white or white passing in order to be in there. And only a man, by the way. Now they're totally fine. I mean, it is ridiculous. And I'm with you, April. How do people, how do they not see it? Like, that's the big question I keep asking myself is how does so many elect this dude? I mean, this isn't a secret. The man was calling immigrants the poison to the blood of society way before he got elected.
- [43:31]
April
We're also dealing with a huge misinformation propaganda machine which is also part of fascism, right? Pushing out propaganda misinformation. I made a post on threads, which threads is not as bad as X, but I've been seeing an uptick on bot accounts. I made a post about Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and almost immediately I had several posts from what appeared to be bot accounts that were just saying the Supreme Court ruled in favor 90 that the Trump administration was right and that he is a gang member. Like literally just pushing out lies that you can go and fact check. But people that are that want to believe Trump because they voted for Trump, because pride will get in the way of a lot of these people admitting that they were wrong. They're literally just going to take some random bot saying, nope, Supreme Court ruled in favor of Trump. He was a criminal. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And then they just. That's what they believe. So I think part of the reason why a lot of people are not seeing it is because they are just believing this incredibly misinformed information campaign. It's just, it's just straight up propaganda and indoctrination.
- [44:46]
Tim
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
- [44:48]
April
We have a few more videos. So Donald Trump recently met with the president, President Bukele of El Salvador in the Oval Office, and it was interesting. They asked Bruce Kelly if he would release Abrego Garcia, and he basically said that he couldn't. I don't know if you want to play that.
- [45:05]
Tim
Yeah, I have that. Friends, before we get to that clip, welcome, by the way, to the show. It's good to be back with you. If you can make sure to give this video a, like, if you're enjoying this stream, that would be so helpful because it lets YouTube know to send it out to more people out there in the Internet. So make sure you give this stream a. Like, subscribe to the channel. Welcome back. Good to be with you. Let's get back into this now. Yeah. So here he is, and let's see what he has to say.
- [45:27]
April
How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I, I don't have the power to return him to the United States. But you could release him inside. Yeah, but I'm not releasing. I mean, we're not very fond of releasing terror terrorists into our country. We just turned the murder capital of the world into the safest country of the Western hemisphere. And you want us to go back into the releasing criminals so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world, and that's, that's not going to happen. Well, they'd love to have a criminal, you know, I mean, I mean, there's, there's a fascination. Yeah.
- [45:58]
Tim
So, I mean, just, I think two things are really worth highlighting here. Number one, this person is not part of any kind of gang. He actually fled. Kilmar fled El Salvador because of gang violence and threats against his own life, which a judge found credible. And also Trump just saying, as he points to the media, they would love a criminal to be released again. Like, it's just, it's so clear that they enjoy this. Like, Trump likes doing this. He likes goading the media. He likes, you know, sticking the knife deeper in, into their side. He likes this. Like, this is, this is not a case where Trump's like, look, guys, you know, I get it, right? Kilmar is a father, he's a husband, and we made a mistake. But hey, we're just powerless. He's not even cheesing. He's not even hiding it. They enjoy this. They enjoy the fact that a human being, a man who is a father, who is a husband, who has no criminal record in El Salvador or in the US who was ordered or who was allowed to stay here, who was given, by the way, legal working permits to work in this country legally. That guy got deported because of a clerical error, and now all of a sudden, he's an MS.13 gang member and terrorist. It's unbelievable.
- [47:10]
April
Well, it's not. It's clearly not actually about deporting violent criminals. That. That's the dog whistle that they're using. But if they actually cared about, you know, Law and Order, I mean, must I remind you that Donald Trump is a convicted felon?
- [47:28]
Tim
Right, right.
- [47:29]
April
Also, he pardoned 1500 January insurrect, like January Sixers, Insurrectionists, the people were beating up on police officers. Pardoned. Completely pardoned.
- [47:41]
Tim
Yes, yes. It's not about law and order 100%.
- [47:47]
April
So the next video, this is the one that I think is incredible, incredibly terrifying. I mean, this is not. This episode, our show is not a good news episode. But I feel like we have to play this of Trump talking about how he would love to not just send, you know, immigrants to El Salvador, but possibly Americans. If you want to play the clip, pay for those facilities to be opened. If new ones were going to be built, I'd do something. We'd help them out. Yeah, we have. They're great facilities, very strong facilities, and they don't play games. I'd like to go a step further. I mean, I say. I said it to Pam. I don't know what the laws are.
- [48:33]
Tim
We always have to obey the laws, but we also have homegrown criminals that.
- [48:37]
April
Push people into subways, that hit elderly.
- [48:41]
Tim
Ladies on the back of the head.
- [48:43]
April
With a baseball bat when they're not looking, that are absolute monsters. I'd like to include them in the.
- [48:51]
Tim
Group of people to get them out.
- [48:52]
April
Of the country, but you'll have to be looking at the laws on that, Steve. Okay.
- [48:59]
Tim
I mean, my gosh.
- [49:01]
April
So he's there saying he wants to then get rid of homegrown criminals.
- [49:07]
Tim
Well, not January Sixers, obviously, and not the problem.
- [49:10]
April
Not him.
- [49:11]
Tim
And not him or anyone else in his cabinet that has.
- [49:15]
April
Or back from Romania. He was able to facilitate that return.
- [49:20]
Tim
Andrew Tate is an American treasure, according to Trump. I mean, it is, it's, it's, it's obvious what is happening. It's clear as day what they're doing. And again, like, we just need to say it. The white Protestant church and white evangelicals are the reason that this is happening. Like, the Data is clear. 80% of white evangelicals have voted for Trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024. And 60% of white Protestants and 54% of white Catholics voted for Trump in this past election. I do not know, I don't know how you claim to be a follower of Jesus, an immigrant under the oppression of the Roman Empire, a refugee, for crying out loud, and then really think that this is Christian, that this, that these are biblical values, that this is what God would want. We are literally destroying families for no reason other than hate and xenophobia and racism. Like, we just have to say these quiet parts out loud. April, I'm so exhaustive trying to beat around the bush. This is at its core because of racism, because Trump and his crew do not want brown skinned people in this country flat out. And just look at who he hangs out with. Trump had. Trump got dinner with Nick Fuentes a couple years ago. He brought him over to Mar a Lago and had dinner with him. Nick Fuentes is an open anti Semite. He's an open Holocaust denier. He's openly racist. And Trump goes, I didn't really know who he was. He didn't even say I'm sorry or it was a bad idea. He said nothing. And it doesn't matter because his supporters are so freaking brainwashed by the propaganda pushed by him and right wing media sources that this is what happens. This is the outcome of brainwashing of propaganda. Yes, we are looking at a very similar path to what happened in Germany. We just are. It's, of course it's different, but it's also similar. Like our friend Jamar Tisby says, Right. History doesn't repeat itself. It rhymes. It rhymes.
- [51:23]
April
Yeah.
- [51:24]
Tim
And we're seeing the rhyme today.
- [51:28]
April
I know. It's actually very scary to see the parallels between what's happening right now and Nazi Germany, because even Auschwitz, Auschwitz was a prison concentration camp, not in Germany. They were deporting people first.
- [51:45]
Tim
Look for. If people need me to spell it out for them briefly, I will. The way that fascism and authoritarianism works is that they always have a scapegoat. They always have an out group that is, that is the problem in society. And for Hitler, it was the Jewish people, okay? Which he. And by the way, if you read the story of Hitler, it didn't start out that way. It was. There was always some anti semitism there. And then it got stronger and stronger and stronger. It was like an overnight thing where one day Hitler goes, you know what, guys, let's build concentration camps. He led people along that path by scapegoating, right, the Jews for all of Germany's problems. And you look at America, what is the right wing targeting? Who are they targeting? They're targeting trans people who are 1% of the population. Right. Lest we forget that Trump did the protect women and women's sports nonsense. Right. The man who, by the way, was found liable sexually assaulting a woman is trying to protect women. And right wingers like, wow, this guy's so bold. So you have those people, you have the DEI hires that's targeting bipoc folks, black indigenous people of color. And now you have, of course, the immigrant sentiment, the anti immigrant sentiment, which, by the way, is a. There's a long history here of anti immigrant sentiment in American, in the American history and lexicon. And unfortunately, white Protestants were some of the largest groups of people that were saying this stuff that we have to get, we have to get these people out of the country. That's what Trump is doing. It's always someone else who's responsible for the problems of a society. This is a classic piece of textbook whatever. You know, it's in the playbook of fascism and we're seeing it.
- [53:18]
April
It's very, I mean, terrifying, but also interesting because I've always wondered, whenever I would read about Nazi Germany, I kind of would always wonder, like, how did just everyday people let this happen? How are they okay with it? And we are seeing in real time how everyday normal people are becoming desensitized and okay with this. Because when you, you slowly dehumanize entire groups of people, then you can look at a picture from that prison in El Salvador of men literally arranged like they're animals. But these are human beings. And then you look at that and think, they deserve that.
- [54:02]
Tim
Yep.
- [54:04]
April
When like a good majority of them have no violent record. These are human beings made in the image of God. And if you are a follower of Jesus and you claim to be Christian, that should matter to you. These are human beings. They have moms, dads. Many of them are dads themselves.
- [54:24]
Tim
Yep.
- [54:25]
April
What?
- [54:25]
Tim
Yep.
- [54:26]
April
Oh, it's so annoying and just infuriating.
- [54:30]
Tim
It's infuriating. It's dehumanizing. And we're watching it happen, unfortunately, April, because of our faith tradition. I think that, that, that, that's what I know, I know, I know that hurts us the most because we were radicalized by the evangelical world to be these Jesus people. And then we read the Bible, we read the words of Jesus and saw what these Christians were doing and said, wait, things don't add up. And now all of a sudden, we're the heretics and they're believers. And it's just. It's unbelievable to witness. We are literally ripping off. We are literally kidnapping people off the streets of America who are here legally, who have green card status or they have visas, they have work permits, whatever. They have court orders saying they're allowed to stay here. They have protected status. We are ripping them off the streets. We are deporting them. We are not giving them lawyers. We are sending them a thousand miles away across the country, not letting their loved ones know. People forget that Kilmar's wife found out about his deportation through the news. She. She saw him with his head shaved and recognized him by the tattoos. That's how she knew that he was taken away. Can you. I mean, put yourself in that person's shoes? Could you imagine if your spouse is sitting, come home one day and you saw them on the news being deported to, you know, a different country? It's wild.
- [55:39]
April
Do you want to play her. Her video where she pleads for his case? Because right now, Pam. I think it was Pam Bondi was on. I don't know if it's Fox News, some news station basically saying that his wife is safer tonight because he's in El Salvador. They're literally trying to paint this like they are protecting his family. Now because they made this mistake, they are double and tripling down. But here is Kilmar Abrego Garcia's wife, clearly wanting him back is of after his disappearance. And I stand before you filled with spirit that refuses to bring down. I will not stop fighting until I see my husband alive. Kilmar, if you can hear me, stay strong. God hasn't forgotten about you. Our children are asked, asking, when would you come home? And I pray for the day I tell them the time and date that you'll return. As we continue through Holy Week, my heart aches for my husband who should have been here leading our Easter prayers. Instead, I find myself pleading with the Trump administration, administration and the Bukele administration to stop playing political games with the life of Kilmar. Our family is torn apart during this scary time, and our children miss their dad so much. This, despite the challenges we continue to face with the US and the Salvadorian government. I hope that the strength of faith and the resilience within us will keep Us standing after all the punches we can sit, we continue to receive. Our ability to fight back against these governments are testimonies to the spirit of fight and restraint that God has given us. We will continue standing strong and we will never give up on you. Kilmar.
- [58:08]
Tim
There you go. Part of her statement. Notice how she invokes her own faith. Right. And I think this is, like, important that. That this person sounds like they're either Catholic or Christian or evangelical or Protestant. And just a reminder that whenever you hear people in America say we have to fight for religious freedom or Christian values, what they don't mean is this. Right. They mean a very specific brand of Christianity, one that tends to protect the people in power and that has no problem deporting other Christians illegally, ripping them away from their family. I just think that's really important to highlight. You know, like, this is not. This is a very specific brand of Christianity that we are experiencing in America, and it has no problem selling out, quote, unquote, one of its own if it means that it gets to maintain the culture war advantage and make America as white as they're able to. And that's what this is ultimately about. That. That's why they can do this. It's tragic.
- [59:03]
April
Yeah. And so a Democrat, Senator Chris Van Hollen, actually flew to El Salvador yesterday, I believe, met with the vice President and was trying to meet with. Basically was trying to get Kilmar out and at least to speak with him. And do you have that video, too? Because he said he asked. I sent it to you.
- [59:26]
Tim
Oh, did you? So I can grab that one.
- [59:29]
April
Yeah, it was from Threads, if you can.
- [59:31]
Tim
Let me take a look.
- [59:31]
April
Find it. But basically he asked the vice president, why can't you release him? You know, because earlier we saw President Bukele say he cannot do it because why? You know, he called him a terrorist, which he is not. And then you have Donald Trump saying there's nothing he can do either. You literally have the two presidents of the two countries involved in this case both saying there's nothing they can do.
- [59:57]
Tim
Yeah.
- [59:58]
April
Okay, let's see if I can grab it.
- [60:00]
Tim
Yeah, here we go.
- [60:03]
C
Courts of the United States have said there's no evidence to support the charge that he's part of MS.13. So I asked the vice president whether or not El Salvador has any evidence that he's part of Ms. 13 or has committed a crime. So I asked the vice president if Abrego Garcia has not committed a crime and the US Courts have found that he was illegally taken for the United States and the government of El Salvador has no evidence that he was part of Ms. 13. Why is El Salvador continuing to hold him in SICOT? And his answer was that the Trump administration is paying El Salvador, the government of El Salvador, to keep him at cecot. And I pointed out that neither the government of El Salvador nor the Trump administration has presented evidence to support the claim that he's committed any kind of criminal acts. And so why not release Abrago Garcia today? And he said what President Bukele said the other day at the White House, which that El Salvador can't smuggle Mr. Abrego Garcia into the United States. And I said, I'm not asking him to smuggle Mr. Abrego Garcia in the United States. I'm simply asking him to open the door of CECOT and let this innocent man walk out. And I pointed out that the Attorney General of the United States, Pam Bondi, has said that the United States would send a plane to El Salvador to pick him up. And why did she do that? Because the Supreme Court of the United States, in a ruling of 9 to 0, has said that the Trump administration has to facilitate his return to the United States. Now, there's no evidence that the Trump administration is complying with that order. There's no evidence that they're complying with that. Or in fact, the United States Embassy here has told me they've received no direction from the Trump administration to help facilitate his release. So the Trump administration is clearly in violation of American court orders. But that still leaves the question, why is the government of El Salvador continuing to imprison a man where they have no evidence he's committed any crime, and they've not been provided any evidence from the United States that he's committed a crime.
- [62:57]
April
So basically he's just saying, because the United States is paying El Salvador to keep him. And both sides are now saying, yeah, well, I can't do that. Nothing, nothing should be done.
- [63:08]
Tim
Well, and also it does. I mean, he brings up a good point at the end where he says, if there is no crime, why is it being held in a, in a prison in El Salvador? Like, like what crime has he committed in El Salvador to be held in prison? And they, they can't give him one, because again, this is not about justice or about law and order or about doing the right thing. It's about something completely different than that. And it is wild. I mean, literally, what, what is stopping the US from sending a plane to El Salvador and El Salvador releasing him? Nothing. Because Trump is the person, his administration. They're the ones in charge. They could easily facilitate this, as we know, because they facilitated bringing Andrew Tate, the woman beater, back to the States who's facing credible charges of sex trafficking, I think.
- [63:59]
April
But I would just for, for the Christians out there who, who still, for whatever reason, don't see a problem with this. Let's, let's go back to who we should be following and emulating, right? The words of Jesus. In Luke 15, Jesus gave the parable that said, suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Would you not leave the 99 and go after the 1 until you find it? Until you find it. Only we read more of the red letters.
- [64:37]
Tim
But I still don't know how Christians look at everything that Trump says, does, how he acts, and the policies he is enacting and go, this is the way of Jesus. Yes, this is congruent with the teachings of Jesus. Heck, how is this even congruent with, with, with the Hebrew Bible? There are so many commands to welcome the foreigner and the immigrant because you were once a foreigner in the land of Egypt. And that's. And that is, you know, one of the things where we have to stop thinking that somehow that these Christians really care about their faith. Ultimately, they use their faith as a, as a Trojan horse for their deeper cultural and political identities that are right wing, that are fascist, and that are racist. I mean, that's the only way to describe this stuff, you know, and it's, it's sad to see it.
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April
They're using Christianity as a shield to hide their bigotry and hate behind. All right, well, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about this anti Christian bias thing that Trump's talking about. Let's go to a quick ad break and we'll be right back.
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Tim
Sounds good.
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April
Hi, my name is Courtney. I live in London, United Kingdom, and I am a TNE monthly donor. I'm a domestic abuse survivor and was raised with John MacArthur and purity culture rhetoric. I left my abuser in September 2020, moving from LA to southern Utah. I had been a Cali girl my whole life, so seeing the Christian nationalism and patriarchy present in Utah gave me quite a shock. During that time, I began deconstructing and making sense of my abuse and how my church upbringing and political affiliations contributed to it. It's a painful discovery that I'm still coming to terms with. I've never been a big believer in tithing, but you guys gave me a mission I can get behind. I hate that term now, but I don't know of any other more fitting. The US is on a trajectory mirroring that of 1930s Germany. And if something isn't done soon to circumvent that, I worry what the repercussions would be not just for the US but for the whole world.
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Tim
What's up, friends? We are back. Hello. Hello. Hey, if you're joining the stream or been watching it for a while, make sure to give it a like. That'd be so, so helpful.
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April
Wow.
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Tim
We're going to talk about this April anti Christian bias stuff.
- [67:11]
April
Yeah, let's do it.
- [67:12]
Tim
Oh boy.
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April
Donald Trump, early on, I don't remember exactly when it was, but it was a while ago, made this executive order where he was announcing a task force to weed out, quote, anti Christian bias, which sidebar really just is, is, is just a dog whistle for anti Christian nationalism bias. Yeah, yeah, because there's so many, like there are literally over 45, 000 Christian denominations, many of whom have different theological beliefs and different interpretations of scripture. Because let's be clear, the Bible's not very clear on a lot of things. If it were clear, there would be one denomination. It is not.
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Tim
That's true. And also, I mean, I'm not sure how, I'm not sure how better it can get in America when like 85% of Congress is Christian. There's a quarter of a million churches in America. The in particular the Evangelical Christian church has its own like music industry, own publishing industry, own church industry. There are pastors, not all, not most, but some who make a lot, a lot, a lot of money. But yes, clearly, you know, we live in a society that is just full of anti Christian bias. The Passion of the Christ is like one of the highest grossing movies of all time. It's about Jesus getting flogged and crucified to death. It's a gory, gory, brutal movie which I saw when I was 13 by the way, because, you know, I had to bring my friends to get them saved. But yes, we live in a country full of Christian bias. Yep.
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April
Yeah. You know, this comes with the same people that claim Christian persecution despite there not being Christian persecution, because they equate that with accountability when they're being bigots and hateful. But I digress. So this past week there was some articles that were released where the Trump administration wants the State Department to start reporting on each other. Anti Christian bias at work. And they're really more specifically targeting colleagues who were there under Joe Biden's administration. And some of the examples that they gave as anti Christian bias were those who helped support vaccine requirements or, or used, you know, someone's correct pronouns or pro LGBTQ policies. They are taking those as being anti Christian despite the fact that you and I are Christian and there are many, many Christians in America who are LGBTQ affirming and also pro science and support vaccines. I don't think either of those issues are a Christian issue unless you're a Christian nationalist.
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Tim
Well, did you see that, Caroline? Is it Caroline or Caroline Lovett?
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April
I don't know.
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Tim
Okay, well, you know, the, the. The House secretary. Is that her name or spokesperson? Yeah, Carolyn Levitt. Thank you. Carolyn Levitt. She said that if she sees a reporter's pronouns in their. In their email, she ignores that reporter completely.
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April
That, that there is the bias. Like that. That's. That's anti. Anti Christian bias or whatever they want to call it.
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Tim
We just live in the stupidest timeline like this. When you really think about all the issues happening in America, right, The average American can't get access to affordable health care. We can't get access to affordable education. We're drowning in debt of all kinds because the credit card system is so predatory, we can't find livable wages, etc. And they're like, you know what, guys? Pronouns in the bio, I'm not going to talk to you. And Christians are like, yeah, we're so back. America's so back, man. Because pronouns in bio is stupid and we're not going to talk to you anymore. And that means that we're back as a country. Like, it is so dumb. It's so dumb that these are, like, the big things, but yet here we are talking about that.
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April
And not to mention they're focusing on this, where there are actually, like, human rights violations happening in real time that we're. They're just choosing to ignore. But oh, my gosh, the Christian persecution because someone used a pronoun, I disagree with. Ugh. I also want to say, too, I saw this Fox News post earlier this week that they were quoting Carolyn Levitt, who was talking about Holy Week, and it says in all caps, spiritual reset. Carolyn Levitt details the distinct shift in how Donald J. Trump and the White House is observing Holy Week after former President Biden set off a firestorm by proclaiming Easter Sunday last year as Transgender Day of Visibility. Oh, my God, these people are still talking about how Trans Day of Visibility, which is always on March 31, happened to fall on Easter last year. And they were like, my gosh, they're trying to overtake Easter? No, that's just how calendars work, my friend.
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Tim
I swear to God, they have a persecution fetish. They are looking so hard to be persecuted. Like Easter and the transgender day of visibility are on the same day. Persecution. Joe Biden set the transgender day of visibility purposely on Easter because Joe Biden, the devout Catholic, is a Marxist who hates God.
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April
They, you know, they've been talking about tds, Trump Derangement Syndrome. They say liberals have it. I swear they have it. But these are. These people won't stop talking about Joe Biden. Who's, where even is he? I don't even know. Living his own life right now.
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Tim
He's probably on a beach somewhere.
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April
Also, they have not stopped talking about Barack Obama either, or Hillary Clinton. Yeah, people are obsessed.
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Tim
Well, it's like when they, you know, it's like when you hear every accusation is a confession and it's just really true. Like, they, they, you know, they, they talk about this woke mind virus, right? No, they literally have a Trump mind virus. These people are looking at things that are, are, they're absurd. The way Trump even talks about stuff doesn't make sense. It's incoherent. The way he talked. Did you see him talk about, about that, that stupid gold card? He held it up. It was like some laminated car. That was like a $5 million immigration get into America card. And I'm like, he's. The way he's talking about, he's like, it's a beautiful card. It's a perfect card. People are going to love it. It's amazing. Like, who talks like this? This is, this is incoherent ramblings of a madman. And, but we're told, we're told that this president really cares about Christianity and Jesus because he's paying lip service to the Christian fundamentalist maniacs who currently have some power, who demand the craziest stuff. Like, if you have your pronoun in your bio, I'm not going to talk to you as a reporter because I'm just going to stick it to you that way because make it very great again, it doesn't make sense.
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April
It's the same people, too, that are like, he's playing chess while completely destroying our stock market. He's playing with Paris. He's playing for. Yeah, he's just so brilliant. You, you don't even understand it.
- [74:46]
Tim
I'm like, the art of the deal, baby. You know, you know that I live in New Jersey, and he had a casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey. It's demolished. They Demolished it because it failed.
- [74:58]
April
But do you remember, too, I saw a comment that brought up how Trump went on that video, was talking about groceries like it was this old timey word that was just being brought back into society. Like, like the man has never shopped for his own groceries, I would bet, in his life. And he, but he's. Of the people, he's.
- [75:23]
Tim
Oh, my God, how can we have to laugh at it? We just have to.
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April
Here's the thing. These next three and three years and what, nine months, eight months. Gosh, it's going by slow, but it's going to be scary and terrifying, but we still have to live and survive it. And so, yes, I am going to be aware of all the terrible things that are happening and ways we can fight it. Speaking out, educating our loved ones, calling your reps, protest all the things. And also, I will laugh at the stupid things that Donald Trump does and says because I have to, to survive.
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Tim
We have to, we have to, we have to.
- [76:06]
April
And I mean, it is funny. If it wasn't so dangerous, it'd be hilarious. But, you know, we, we just, we have to find joy where we can.
- [76:15]
Tim
I, I did want to bring up briefly before we get ready to go to weird Christian shit.
- [76:19]
April
Well, didn't you want to play the video of Carolyn Levitt praying before her? Oh, that's what you're gonna say?
- [76:24]
Tim
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [76:25]
April
Oh, look at us.
- [76:26]
Tim
Nice. We're back, baby. We're locked in. But no, I do, I did just want to, I want to, I wanted to play this. This was going around. This is Carolyn Levitt praying before she goes out to lie to the American people and the press. Listen to, to her prayer. And then we're going to talk about it for a few seconds because I think it's important to highlight. Lord Jesus, please give us the strength.
- [76:47]
April
The knowledge, the ability to articulate our.
- [76:49]
Tim
Words, have fun and be confident in Jesus name. Amen. You know, there, there's a Bible verse, April, that says, these people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. And I cannot think of a better example. Our friend, who's also a pastor, Zach Lambert, tweeted this. He said, and this is in reference to the prayer that you all just watched and heard for. He says, quote for context. This was right before Carolyn Levitt went on stage and defended the SAVE act, which seeks to disenfranchise about 70 million American women. Lied at least 10 times about Trump's economic policies and tariffs, said Iran must agree to President Trump's Demand or that will be all hell to pay. Pushed back against a 9 to 0 Supreme Court ruling which said it's the Trump administration's job to bring a wrongly deported and imprisoned man. That's Kilmar Abrego Garcia, back from El Salvador. Like, there, there's. There's no. The fruit is rotten is what I'm trying to say, ultimately. Right. Like, you know, again, we can just use the Bible to talk about this stuff. The Bible talks about over and over. Jesus talks about this over and over. A rotten tree bears rotten fruit. A good tree bears good fruit. The fact that Carolyn has the audacity to take the name of Jesus in vain as she says something that pays lip service to a crucified Jewish man who was unhoused, who was killed by the state, who taught us to love our enemies, who taught us to liberate the oppressed, who said that what you do for the least of these, you do unto me. The fact that she has the audacity to invoke his name and walk out there and then dehumanize the least of these, that she has the audacity to lie to the American people, to treat her quote, unquote, political enemies with disdain and disrespectful. It is. It is bewildering. Yeah, bewildering that we are here as a country.
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April
The verse you quoted is Isaiah 29:13. There's another verse, Matthew 6. 5, that says, and when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Like, literally. The fact. She recorded that.
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Tim
Recorded it.
- [79:08]
April
Be like, pray before I go out. And like, honestly, if she were being honest, her prayer should have been this. Dear Heavenly Father, we come to you in Jesus name. Please give me wisdom as I lie to the American people, as I dehumanize people who were made in your image, and as I continue to promote Christian nationalist and fascist ideals while weaponizing your scripture in Jesus name, Amen. That should have been her prayer, because that is exactly what she does day after day while she prays to a man who was crucified for inclusive and radical love, who told about the parable of the Good Samaritan, which in today would be the parable of the undocumented immigrant.
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Tim
100%.
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April
She's actively dehumanizing and demonizing people who God calls us to love. And she has the audacity to invoke the name of Jesus, who pisses me off to no End.
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Tim
I got to say, April, you're preaching today like you've been on fire today.
- [80:14]
April
It's been a month, so I've had a lot of time to build that up.
- [80:17]
Tim
No, I feel it. I feel it. Yes, exactly right. I mean, I think that's astute. So, I mean, obviously we'll keep tracking this stuff 100%, but we are going to keep calling out the rotten fruit that is Christian nationalism, because it's rotten and it's, it's out. Its fruit is dehumanization. It's, it's, it's, it's just. Yeah, it's all you can really say. It's dehumanizing. It is terrible. And the impact of these people in power is people who are here legally are being deported illegally and then we're being lied to by the administration being told we can't do anything about it. It's obviously a load of bs, so.
- [80:56]
April
Yeah, well, someone in comments said that it's Caroline.
- [81:01]
Tim
Thank you, Caroline.
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April
Caroline Levin.
- [81:03]
Tim
Thank you.
- [81:04]
April
I actually have never really. I don't know if I've even heard. I think I've heard it both ways. So, Caroline, we'll go get her name, right?
- [81:10]
Tim
It's fine.
- [81:10]
April
Yeah, that's fine. All right, so we. It's time to bring back some more light hearted stuff to end the show. Weird Christian.
- [81:24]
Tim
You want to queue us up or am I just playing this one cold?
- [81:27]
April
So, so for the people that are listening on podcast, this is a woman, a white woman. Oh, appears to be white. Sitting in what looks like maybe a living room of a house. There's a guitar. It looks like the breastplate of righteousness are sitting around her. It's got like crosses on it. She's got a shield. I would have. It looks like maybe a bible's in her lap and a giant American flag behind her. And I, I have to say, I've had so many people tag me in this video and sent this video to me. I've only watched like the first 10 seconds, so I actually have not seen the entire thing. The caption on this video says. Is it a heart emoji? Says Tesla praying for peace and God's protection. Prayer emoji. I think that's a hand clap emoji.
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Tim
Yeah. I mean, the image, if you're watching, you could have put this in AI and gotten this result. Like it's one of those. Like it just is so much to take in.
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April
Can you zoom in a little on her on the video? I don't know if you can or Not.
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Tim
Let me show you tiny. Oh, really?
- [82:38]
April
Well, the video, right, because it's a long video, but you. It's widescreen in the actual video. Yeah, yeah.
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Tim
How's that?
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April
Yeah, that's fine. That's good.
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Tim
Okay. All right, all right, Here we go. From the top.
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April
Here we go. From the top. Tesla is not the enemy. Tesla is an American company. Bring peace, prosperity, and protection in the mighty name of Jesus Christ, God's son. Satan is the enemy seeking to kill, steal, and destroy our country.
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Tim
Praying wisdom, peace, and protection in the.
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April
Mighty name of Jesus Christ, God's son. Yes, Jesus loves me.
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Tim
Yes, Jesus loves me.
- [83:44]
April
Oh, yes, Jesus loves me. The Bible tells me so.
- [83:54]
Tim
That song is one of the only few good things about my childhood. And she just took a massive dump on it.
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April
Throwing that in. In the middle. Is there more or did it end?
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Tim
That's it. That's all I got. It's a minute.
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April
Oh, I must. It looks like she's going to keep going.
- [84:10]
Tim
I can restart it. You want it from the top?
- [84:12]
April
No, no, no, no, no. We don't need to live through that again. Whoa. I feel she was so. She seems so sincere. That's like.
- [84:31]
Tim
I've just not.
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April
Why Tesla? Like, of all the. I guess she felt bad. I guess she felt bad for Elon and the protest, so. Praying protection for. For Tesla. April, this is American company. Bless her heart.
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Tim
We. We just. We just again, like, this is the world. We live in the stupidest timeline. I. I can't stop. I cannot stop laughing at this. Like, what are we doing? She posted this. Like, she, she. Okay, look, we're content creators, right? She's. She set this shot up. This is a stage shot, which means she had to think about this. She's like, you know what? I have this song idea. I'm gonna work it out and I'm gonna just set up my. My camera shot to have what I want in it. I think I need an American flag. I need the armor of God. I have to wear. Is that a Dolly Parton shirt? Is that she's wearing? I have to have this huge ass American flag behind me, and I'm going to record me singing this thing and I'm going to put it on the Internet. Oh, my God.
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April
Is Tesla even an American company? Oh, it is. It says. I think it started in Austin. Yeah. I mean, Elon's not American. I think people forget that a lot.
- [85:57]
Tim
I don't.
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April
I don't know if I have the words because I like, on one hand, it's so cringy and like so low hanging fruit to make fun of. But then on the other hand, I just kind of feel bad for her. Like she went through all this effort, like clearly she believes like God's hand needs to be on Tesla for who is like because of a billionaire, that the indoctrination and Christian nationalism, like creates people like this to where they would make, she would make a video and post it.
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Tim
I, I just don't, you know, I. April, you and I grew up in like the Christian fundamentalist world and we understand like how the logic works. And even knowing that, I still don't know how we get this. Even with my background of believing some pretty, you know, extreme things for a long time. I don't know how, how it gets to this. I don't know what you're thinking, where you think this is a good idea. This makes sense.
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April
And like this is like a total sidebar. But she was very inconsistent on the sign language that she was using. She was that what it was?
- [87:23]
Tim
That was sign language.
- [87:24]
April
Remember? Do you remember taught the sign language where. Yes.
- [87:27]
Tim
Oh yeah. Which I don't think this loves me.
- [87:31]
April
Yeah, I don't. I think we made. I think the other part just looked like that I knew. I do know I was taught that Jesus in sign language.
- [87:39]
Tim
Oh, good to know.
- [87:41]
April
So she was doing that. She's talking about Jesus Christ and she has that vibrato that like that Sunday school teacher vibrato.
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Tim
I mean, you know, this person is like worshiping a company that doesn't treat its workers very well, whose owner has like dozens of children with different women. It doesn't, it doesn't embrace the family values that she probably claims to have about marriage or about like, you know, treating people fairly. But she's so blinded by the propaganda that this makes sense for her that saying yes, Jesus loves me while also praising Tesla are not incongruent. And I think it's a real good example of the anemic spirituality that is Christian nationalism. Like, it's not about any kind of robust or, or deep theology or understanding of, of Jesus and his solidarity with the oppressed. It is simply a way to maintain power and control. And this is the outcome for the average rank and file person. This person has no clue what she's doing, but she thought about it long enough and thought it was smart enough to post on the Internet as a sign of like her Christian beliefs.
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April
Right? Oh, like of all of the things that are worthy of praying, protection over, you know, like I would say the men in El Salvador. Right. Now the immigrants in America, trans people in America, black people in America, as always, you know, like, there are so many Palestinian children, Ukrainians, like, there are so many different groups of people that could use prayers of protection right now. And she used her energy to pray for Tesla.
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Tim
Right?
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April
A company run by a billionaire who doesn't need anything.
- [89:42]
Tim
And think about this too. So have you seen, you know, Ms. Rachel? The one and only Ms. Rachel? She's amazing.
- [89:47]
April
Yes.
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Tim
She's also a devout Christian and she's been advocating for Palestinian children for like the past couple months. And she's gotten so much hate from Christian nationalists. She's been accused of being funded by some anti Semitic organization to push propaganda. And Ms. Rachel's like, I'm just saying that we should love all the children of the world, including Palestinian ones. That's not the focus for this world. Right. In my head I'm thinking about like, you know, your Ali Stuckeys, you know, your right wing pundits are going to claim to really stand for biblical values. Those kids are nowhere in the mind of those folks. But this kind of stuff is like, this stuff is tolerated. And Ms. Rachel is lambasted. And you have to ask yourself how, how deeply, how rotten is that fruit? And I wouldn't even say it's rotten, it's poison. Forget rotten, it is poison. The fruit that they're producing is poison. One more observation I wanted to tell you about, then we can wrap it up, is that I have been, you know, I track a lot of like the, the apologetics world in, in evangelicalism, your Sean McDowell's, Melissa Dod, etc, these people are not talking about what Trump is currently doing. They're too busy talking about gay people and about, you know, the biblical inerrancy and the problem of prosperity. Gospel preachers, which by the way, is a problem, but like, it's just so clear that they are not really concerned about the things that Jesus talks about over and over and over again. And I think that's why so many of us left it ultimately, April, you know, I think that's why so many of us said, I can't stay here because this Christianity I'm a part of is completely defunct. Like something is way wrong. And we're laughing at this lady singing this prayer or this song about Tesla, but it is, these ideas are held widely in white Christian spaces. And it's why we left. It's why we said, no, I can't do it anymore because of my faith to Jesus.
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April
I mean, I remember singing all the time, Jesus loves The little children. All the children of the world. And that includes.
- [91:49]
Tim
Yes.
- [91:50]
April
Children not born in America.
- [91:53]
Tim
Yep.
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April
Like, I. That's the thing. Like, this anti Christian bias. There is. There is an anti Christian bias in this current Trump administration against, like, people who are actually trying to follow the teachings of Jesus, who are actually caring for the widow, the foreigner, even the incarcerated. Like Jesus said to love your enemies. Like, people who are actually showing empathy.
- [92:18]
Tim
Yes.
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April
They're demonizing empathy for a reason.
- [92:20]
Tim
Yep.
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April
It's because they have to paint it as something sinful because they know they don't actually have that. They have to hide behind some sort of logic to make them treat people as awful as they are treating them. So it's. It's empathy. Empathy is wrong. Empathy is a sin. It's toxic. I'm still a good person. All of these mental gymnastics and it's. It's very alarming. But, hey, we're not alone. There are more and more people today, every day that this is happening that are speaking out because this. This is just a grave injustice. Very inhumane, I would say. If you have family who are being. Who are conservative, more than likely they are not hearing the truth of what is happening. If you have the bandwidth to talk to them gently or just ask them questions and say, like, hey, you know, do you really think he should be there? Like, if he doesn't have a criminal record, if he's actually not violent, like, you know, ask them questions, get them to answer it, because they're not hearing what's actually happening if they're only watching Fox News.
- [93:35]
Tim
I'm with you. We have a long way to go, friends. We're glad to be back. We're glad to be back doing this work. We're not going anywhere. Um, you know, you're not alone. I think that that's the most important thing I can tell you is that I. We see it too. I know the feeling of you open your social media app and you're just overwhelmed with just story after story where you go, how is this happening? There is a logic to this, and we have to expose it. What's up?
- [93:58]
April
Well, listen, on good news really quick. We totally forgot there was a good news story that came out. Where was.
- [94:04]
Tim
Oh, I know. I got it right here.
- [94:06]
April
Yes, I was in Tennessee.
- [94:08]
Tim
I was headed there. I was heading there.
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April
I love that in Tennessee, of all people. I went to a neighborhood and came for a person who was living there, who they were after as a, you know, quote unquote, illegal immigrants. And the neighbors formed a chain around this person and would not let ICE get to him.
- [94:29]
Tim
Yes, yes. They told local media outlets that ICE picked the wrong community on the wrong day. Man, I love that.
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April
Yeah, he, I think he had been in that community for like a decade, 10 years, long time. Like, like what they're not telling you, they're painting it like these are criminals that had just come into the country and have been here for like two seconds. A lot of the people that they're grabbing off the street and that they're hunting down are people that have been in our nation, are part of the community, pay taxes, have jobs, and have been here for years, if not decades. And they've been here and caused no trouble. They've been good citizens or good, you know, whether they're legally citizens or not. But they actually have helped our communities. They've, they've helped our economy. There's just so much to this that is being missed.
- [95:21]
Tim
Yep.
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April
But like, that is some good news. Like, there are things that you can, you can do, you know, and people always say, like, what would you have done if you lived through 1930s Germany or the Civil War or the civil rights movement? And what you're doing today is what you would have done.
- [95:39]
Tim
That's exactly right. Don't, don't let this discourage you. Let this radicalize you. Like, we have to get radical, not in the violent sense, obviously, but in the sense of action, of doing whatever we can in nonviolent ways to protest, to defend our neighbors. You should be, as much as you can be within your, your own ability to be as thoughtful as possible, to work with local communities, organizations, to fight for the well being of all your neighbors. Because it's only going to get worse, friends. And I have to be honest about that. Like, this is just the beginning of a very long four years. And the only way that, that, that we fight back is by working together to make sure that this administration and ICE agents know that, that nine. Our town, not in our town, period. Yeah. So we absolutely have to do that 100%.
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April
Yeah. So next week we'll be live again every Thursday at noon Eastern just like usual. Monday we'll be dropping kind of a Christian Nationalism 101, like a 10,000 foot view of like, what is Christian nationalism? We'll tie in some history with what's happening currently and we'll, we'll continue to do those deep dives going forward. So look for that episode on Monday. And until then, we hope you all have a great weekend.
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Tim
Thanks for being here, friends. See you later.
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April
Bye.