87. Pam Bondi Loses it at Congressional Hearing

Summary

The Tim & April Show – Episode 87: Pam Bondi Loses it at Congressional Hearing

Podcast: The Tim & April Show
Host: The New Evangelicals
Date: February 13, 2026
Theme: Unraveling Faith, Politics, and Culture—The Congressional Hearing on the Epstein Files and Pam Bondi’s Combative Testimony

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Episode Overview

Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy explore the explosive Congressional hearing featuring Attorney General Pam Bondi, focusing on her handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files and her combative performance before Congress. The discussion centers on themes of accountability, political gaslighting, Christian nationalism’s role in current American politics, and the disconnect between proclaimed values and real-world actions—especially in light of the growing Epstein scandal. The episode also weaves in cultural commentary, a look at evangelical reactions, and moments of comic relief, all from a perspective rooted in love, justice, and inclusivity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Super Bowl Cultural Commentary

• Super Bowl Halftime Show: Tim and April discuss Bad Bunny's halftime performance, celebrating its representation of American diversity and critiquing reactions from the MAGA world that equate “American” with “white, English-speaking, apple pie” culture.
• Turning Point Alternative Show: The hosts note the underwhelming and poorly produced alternative show by Turning Point USA, using it to highlight the performative nature of much MAGA/Christian nationalist activism.
• Memorable Quote (06:07):
  "What we saw was an all-American halftime performance. The problem is that MAGA people think that to be American is to be white and only English speaking... But the fact of the matter is that Puerto Rico is an American territory. Bad Bunny is American." — Tim (05:31)

2. Pam Bondi and the Epstein Files: Timeline & Contradictions

• Bondi’s Original Claim (11:11): Early in the Trump administration’s second term, Pam Bondi publicly stated that the Epstein client list was on her desk, under directive from President Trump.
• Backtracking Before Congress (12:12): Months later, Bondi claims "there is no client list," contradicting earlier statements.
• Cash Patel’s Testimony (13:20): Cash Patel, head of the FBI, denies any credible evidence that Epstein trafficked minors to anyone but himself, which directly contradicts Ghislaine Maxwell’s trafficking conviction.
• Tim’s Frustration (14:00):
  "We are just being blatantly lied to over and over and over again, even in the face of reality. Like, I don't even know if… we should call this a cover up..."

3. Pam Bondi’s Congressional Hearing: Highlights & Outbursts

• Survivors Confront Bondi (14:58–18:13):
  • Every Epstein survivor present stands and raises their hands to indicate they have not met with the DOJ. Bondi refuses to directly apologize for their treatment.
  • Memorable Exchange (15:25):
    "Please know for the record that every single survivor has raised their hand." "Will you turn to the survivors...and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put them through...?"
• Congressional Frustration with Bondi:
  • Rep. Ted Lieu accuses Bondi of lying under oath about evidence against Trump (22:11–24:21).
  • Rep. Nadler repeatedly asks how many of Epstein’s co-conspirators have been indicted; Bondi filibusters and redirects, invoking Trump’s impeachments and stock market performance (28:55–33:39).
  • Bondi’s Evasion (33:18):
    "We should be talking about making Americans safe. We should be talking about what does a Dow have to do with anything?" — April (33:46)
• Unhinged Remarks—‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ (42:26): Bondi lashes out at Rep. Massie for pressing her on redactions, calling him a "failed politician" with “Trump derangement syndrome.”

4. MAGA & Christian Nationalism's Response

• Deflection and Gaslighting: The pattern of blaming “theatrics,” filibustering, diverting to unrelated topics (e.g., stock market), and accusing opponents of “derangement syndrome.”
• White Evangelical Support for MAGA (41:50):
  • Despite widespread evidence of misconduct, 69% of white evangelicals still support Trump, which Tim and April attribute to a prioritization of power over principles.
  • "You have this 30 point gap where people will say, I approve of the job he's doing, even if I think what he's doing is unethical..." — Tim (41:56)
• Notable MAGA Pundit Response:
  • Ally Beth Stuckey’s takeaways on the Epstein files focus on “sin making you stupid” and claim Western revulsion at child abuse is solely due to Christianity—a position the hosts vigorously refute (51:20–56:15).

5. Additional Revelations and Omissions

• Department of Justice Hires January 6th Insurrectionist:
  • Shocking revelation: A DOJ hire yelled “kill him” at police on Jan. 6, was pardoned, and now works in law enforcement.
  • "That is crazy. I didn’t know that."
• Selective Law & Order:
  • Discussion on the hypocrisy of “back the blue” rhetoric while pardoning January 6th participants.
• Redactions, Continued Cover-Up, and Lack of Accountability:
  • Key files remain redacted even from Congress.
  • Trump only agreed to partial file release under MAGA pressure, and even then, survivor information was exposed with predator identities protected.

6. Undercurrents of Outrage and Hope

• Personal Frustrations: Tim and April voice feeling powerless but urge listeners to demand accountability, contact representatives, and vote.
• Role of Faith and Activism:
  • Highlighting Christians actively standing up for justice.
  • Not all Christians support the current administration; there are “millions…who are doing everything they can with other people of different faiths and beliefs to work together because of their shared values for all of their neighbors.” — Tim (67:23)
• Comic Relief/Content Debrief:
  • April’s viral comedic sketch lampooning Bondi’s evasiveness as a waitress.
  • Humorous “Christian culture” segment—blessing a car at a dealership.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (w/Timestamps)

• On Gaslighting and the MAGA Information Bubble:
  "We're just documenting what's happening in 2026 America for future historians to look back and have all the evidence that this actually happened in American history." — Tim (43:47)

• On Christian Hypocrisy:
  "The handshake between, in particular white evangelicals and Trump is that, if you give us the political and cultural power that we want access to, we will defend you at every turn." — Tim (40:12)

• On the Importance of Centering Survivors:
  "At a minimum, they released unredacted survivor names and info and then...they released naked photos in many cases that were not redacted initially. How do you not at a minimum apologize for that...?" — April (20:11)

• Highlighting Disinformation Strategies:
  "Jared Stacy calls it dis-reality. They live in a world of dis-reality where what's in front of them is not real." — Tim (20:41)

• On The Role of Christian Teaching in Abuse:
  "It is absolutely self-evident and universal to not abuse children. And the way that Islam is constantly...I have Muslim friends who also are inherently against child abuse." — April (55:36)

• On the ‘Blessing Industry’:
  "May the Lord bless this car, please don’t...Plus anything of mine. Just keep me far away." — Tim (75:39)

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Important Timestamps/Segments

• Setup & Super Bowl Recap: 01:22–07:32
• Epstein Files Timeline: 09:26–14:00
• Pam Bondi’s Congressional Clips (Survivor Segment): 14:58–18:13
• Ted Lieu Grilling Bondi: 21:35–24:21
• Nadler vs. Bondi Madness: 28:55–33:18
• Community & Faith Dialogue: 41:50–42:02
• Bondi Unhinged at Massie: 42:26–43:29
• Comic Relief Sketch (If Pam Bondi Was a Waitress): 72:10–73:59
• Cringey Christian Car Blessing: 74:20–76:17

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Tone & Style

• Candid, Outraged, Often Satirical: The hosts express anger, disbelief, and weariness at political gaslighting and lack of accountability, leavened by dark humor and moments of self-aware comic relief.
• Empathetic and Centered on Justice: Survivors, activism, and the quest for actual Christian values of justice and inclusion are recurring themes.
• Conversational and Accessible: Tim and April keep the language direct, using personal stories, cultural references, and relatable analogies.

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For Listeners Who Haven't Heard the Episode

This episode is a deep dive into one of the most consequential, scandal-ridden Congressional hearings in recent memory. It’s a blend of gravity and irreverence, laying bare not only the political circus but the moral bankruptcy exposed within both MAGA and segments of white evangelical culture. If you care about government accountability, survivor justice, or the intersection of faith and politics—and you want to cut through the spin with smart but passionate commentary—this episode is essential listening.

Takeaway:
The call is clear: Stay awake, challenge the gaslighting, center the survivors, and demand better—especially when those in power and those who claim virtue are eager to look away.

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Transcript

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The Tim and April show, where we decode faith, politics and culture.

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Hey, everyone.

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Hi, everybody.

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Tim Whitaker. Sorry about that. We had an issue on my end where the sound effect volume was all the way down. So welcome into the show. I am Tim Whitaker.

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I'm April Lajoy.

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Welcome to the Tim and April Show. April, I gotta tell you something. Off the bat, I'm a little nervous. We have 3,600 people watching live on Substack right now. I don't know. I don't know how that happened.

[A]

Hi, everybody. Welcome.

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Thank you for tuning in. We are two former Christian fundamentalists who grew up in Christian nationalist spaces. April even wrote a book about her journey. And now we are still very much Christian, but we expose Christian nationalism and advocate for better paths forward in the Christian faith. So thanks so much for tuning in. It means the world. Yeah. Welcome. That's awesome. Awesome, awesome.

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Welcome. Did you watch the Super Bowl?

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Nope. Yeah, of course I did. As a good Christian. I boycotted it. April. I boycotted it. No, I did watch it.

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Did you watch the Turning Point Halftime Alternative?

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I watched it after because I have to. Because that's what we do for a living, is we track this stuff. I do have a listen. We have so much to get to with Pam Bondi. And so that's gonna be the main focus today. But I just will say briefly that on many levels, the Turning Point halftime show, what I call as the Temu halftime show, was very lackluster. And also, people don't know this, but they pre recorded that whole thing. So when they aired it as live, it was actually a pre recording, prerecorded.

[A]

And wasn't there was like a sync issue with Kid Rocks, was it? And was it just because it was edited incorrectly?

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So as I used to be a professional drummer, I've actually done live albums before. So here's how the background works briefly. Is that when you record a live album, you actually usually re dub all the parts in post because usually you can't get really clean audio tracks with the whole band and stuff in a live environment. My guess is that they didn't do that. And my guess is that they couldn't get the camera sync with Kid Rock's either backing vocal or his original take to sync with what he was actually saying. But the point is, is that if you have all that time to do edits in post and you don't catch it, just not really a good sign, in my opinion. Just saying no.

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Like I. And here's my thing. They had like, what, at least three months since they announced this alternative halftime. Like, as soon as they announced Bad Bunny was gonna do the halftime show, which, by the way, I loved Bad Bunny's performance and I understood maybe every 10th or 12th word because I minored in Spanish. So I was like, yay. But my. I can read Spanish much better than I can, like, hear it and translate it because, like, it's just too fast. But I just. I feel like I was able to follow the story that he was put, like, the production value. The tree people.

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I love the tree people. I was like, that's genius. Because the NFL has a lot of regulations with how many carts can move onto the grass. And so to get around that, they dress people up as actual grass pieces to move around as the set. It was. It was just.

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It reminded me of when you wear a bush in Fortnite. It was just a bunch of Fortnite bushes. It was so great, though.

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It was very pro family. They had a real marriage, a real wedding ceremony happening. Yeah, I mean, family values, man. It's right there, right?

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And I felt like you could follow the narrative without understanding the song. Like, just set pieces. And then, you know, it was just very, like, Puerto Rican. And I don't know, it was just very cool. I really appreciated it, the way that he pronounced Canada. Canada. I saw a lot of tiktoks after the fact of Canadians being Like, excuse me, I'm from Canada. Like, make themselves feel extra cool. Like, the way he said it, I don't know. I told Beecher, I'm like, I might have a little bit of a crush on Bad Bunny.

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I think everyone does. The last thing I'll say about the halftime show, and I covered it in a different video earlier this week so people can go find that and listen to my whole rant about it. But last thing I'll say is I am never gonna let the fact go that Bad Bunny is American. What we saw was an all American halftime performance. The problem is that MAGA people think that to be American is to be white and only English speaking and to only enjoy hot dogs and hamb burgers and apple pie, as Megyn Kelly said on her racist tirade. Right. But the fact of the matter is that Puerto Rico is an American territory. Bad Bunny is American. This is part of American culture. And it was beautiful. I loved being invited into a whole different culture that I've never experienced, and seeing the vibrance and the beauty and the children who were there and the celebration of marriage and just all the businesses were real small businesses, which I thought was really cool. It was just a great performance, man. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was absolutely fantastic. 10 out of 10 would watch again.

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One of my absolute favorite words to say in Spanish from my time when I took a bunch of Spanish classes is how you say Puerto Rican in Spanish. Puerto Ricano. Puerto Rican. It's like, what? I don't know. It's just a very fun word to say. So it was just like. It was really cool to see it on the super bowl halftime show.

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Yeah.

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And. And I honestly think there. Well, okay, full transparency. Our initial plan was to talk about the super bowl, the halftime show, the alternative halftime show, and the fallout.

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Yep.

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Because there are. You know, and maybe. Maybe we'll do a deep dive later on this. I don't know. But there are some people turning on some more MAGA Christians when they realized that the halftime show by Bad Bunny was not this terrible thing that people were saying it was going to be. And I would imagine maybe they were also a little bit let down by turning points.

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It was so low energy. It was so overall, so low energy. Absolutely.

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Yeah. So anyway, we're not doing that, though, because Pam Bondi gave a wild testimony yesterday.

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Yes.

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To Congress.

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April, for those who didn't grow up evangelical, you need to explain what the salt means in. Salt melts ice.

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Right? Good call. So there is a verse in the Bible where Jesus says, you are the salt of the earth.

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And it's on the back.

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It's on the back. And the riff is that, you know, and also salt does melt ice. So that is the play on words there. So anyway, okay, should we just kind of get into all this? Because there's a lot to get a.

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Lot of footage, a lot of clips from the hearing yesterday. We're going to try to. The Epstein story is massive, beyond beyond just Trump's involvement. Like, it is huge. So we spend some time on it.

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We are in the middle of the largest cover up maybe in modern history. I mean, this is one of the, this is by far, in my opinion, top three scandals in American history. And we need to keep that at the forefront of our mind because we're currently watching an administration that is flooding the zone with garbage. Right. And so we always feel like everything's a new emergency. But what we are watching with the Epstein files is truly unprecedented and it's really important for us to go through it. Just a trigger warning, as you can all assume the topic that we're gonna be going through, the video clips all talk about sexual abuse and sexual assault. So just keep that in mind as we keep going through our show today. Yeah, TS up here.

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April, this is what Pam Bondi, do you remember when this was? I wanna say this was like February of last year or March.

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Yeah, it was quite a bit ago. Yeah, it was quite a bit ago.

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It was sometime last year after Trump took office, but earlier in the year. I don't remember exactly when it was. But as a friendly reminder, one of Donald Trump's campaign promises was releasing the Epstein files. That was one of the things he ran on.

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That's right. So Pam Bundy. Pam Bundy. Pam Bondi, who runs the entire doj. This is what she said at the beginning of this administration's second term. I saw your appearance at CPAC with Ben and with Ted Cruz.

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And one of the things that you.

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Alluded to, and this is something Donald Trump has talked about. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

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It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

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So have you seen anything that you said? Oh, my gosh, not yet. Okay, well, we'll check back with you. Madam Attorney General. Pam, great to spend time with you.

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Thank you so much.

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Okay, so we have her on record saying, I have a client list on my desk. I haven't either gone fully through it yet or I haven't seen anything. That is wild. That was the claim almost a year ago. We fast forward a few months later, Pam Bondi is being talked to by Congress. This is not the most recent. This is a couple months later from that clip. And now she backtracks and says, hey, there is no client list. It just doesn't exist. And here she is being asked about that. You made a public claim that the Epstein client list was, quote, sitting on.

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My desk right now for review, end of quote. You then produce already public information and no client list at a major media event hosted at the White House.

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Attorney General Bondi, why did you publicly claim to have the Epstein CL client list waiting for your review and then.

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Produce nothing relevant to that claim? Senator Durbin, if you listen to my entire clip on that, I said I had not reviewed it yet, that it was sitting on my Desk along with the JFK files, the Martin Luther King files. And I said I had not yet reviewed it. And if you see our memo on Epstein, you will see. Excuse me. Our memo on Epstein clearly points out that there was no client list. Our July 6th memo.

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Oh, okay. So has the client list. There is no client list. And now we're going to play a clip. And this is all just to set up what happened yesterday. You have to have this in the back of your mind. And then now we're going to show you Cash Patel, who leads the FBI, talking again to Congress, saying that, well, I'll let the clip play and we'll just let him. We'll let him say it for himself. Here we go.

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Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic These.

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Young, young women, too, besides himself? Himself. There is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited. So the answer is no.

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1.

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For the information that we have in the files, in the case file. Okay. Just blatantly lying.

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I just, I want to remind everybody that Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty of sex trafficking of minors.

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Yep. We are just being blatantly lied to over and over and over again, even in the face of reality. Like, I don't even know if we can. If we should call us a cover up. Because, like, we have so many files that are so incriminating of so many people. Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Trump. It's right there. And here we are. Pam Bondi is brought to talk to Congress. Now, some of these clips are longer, and April and I were deciding, do we play the short kind of bombastic clips or kind of play them in context? And we're going to play a few of them in context. I want you guys to get the vibe of just how combative and how delusional Pam Bondi really is in the face of reality. I think that's really important. So this first clip we're going to play is her being asked to face the survivors. And I will let this go from there. Here we go.

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To the survivors in the room, if you are willing, please stand. And if you are willing, please raise your hands if you have still not been able to meet with this Department of Justice.

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Wow.

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Please know for the record that every single survivor has raised their hand.

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Wow.

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Attorney General Bondi, you apologize to the survivors in your opening statement for what they went through at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein. Will you turn to them now and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put them through with the UN Absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information.

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Very fair question.

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Yeah. Congresswoman, you sat before Merrick Garland sat in this chair twice. Attorney General Bondi can finish my answer. No, I'm going to reclaim my time because I asked you the Attorney General question that I would like a question to answer, which is, will you turn to the survivors? This is not about anybody that came before you. It is about you taking responsibility for your Department of Justice and the harm that it has done to the survivors who are standing right behind you and are waiting for you to turn to them and apologize for what your Department of Justice is.

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Members get to ask the questions. The witness get to answer in the way they want to answer. The Attorney General can.

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That's not accurate, Mr. Chairman, because she doesn't like the answer. So, Mr. Chairman, why I have asked Merrick Garland this. I'm reclaiming my time. When I determine the gentle lady's reclaim her time to get in the gutter for her theatrics. The time belongs to.

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The time belongs to the gentlelady. The gentlelady has 17 seconds.

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Thank you. You're not going to answer this question, so let me just. Chairman, I'll direct it to you. What a massive. No, I'm not answering a question.

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Will you restore her time? The witnesses interrupt. This is like unreal.

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She's doing theatrics. Let me have my time.

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The gentlelady from Washington controls the time. The gentle lady has 17 seconds. You can proceed with your final 17 seconds.

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What a massive cover up this has been and continues to be. Donald Trump made the release of the Epstein files the center of his political campaign because he thought it would benefit him. Then you got into office. Attorney General claimed to have a client list regular order. Say that there was no list. Your deputy Todd Blanche met alone.

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Time of the gentlelady has.

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Blaine Maxwell. Time of the gentlelady has expired to a minimum security prison. And now you continue the contract. I wish that you would turn around to the survivors who are still standing right behind you. And on a human level, Chairman.

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Chair now recognizes the chairman.

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You have done.

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Time is. Time is the gentle agency. You have no time to yield back. Appreciate that. We appreciate the thought.

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I want the amount of times that Pam Bondi's like theatrics. This is just theatrics. And we're going to see it more while she's the one actually being so theatrical.

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I just want to know what happened to meritocracy. I thought Trump was only putting the best in his administration. It's like she is a high schooler. I mean it is petty, it's pettiness and it's a blatant disregard for truth. It's blatant. This is Tim from Portland, Oregon and I'm a new donor. I grew up in a fundamental church environment being taught that our way was the right way. After getting married, my wife and I then started to meet followers of Jesus.

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I do not understand why she wouldn't just look at the survivors. Like, at a minimum, they released unredacted survivor names and info and then the last, they released naked photos in many cases that were not redacted initially. How do you not at a minimum apologize for that when she's claiming that they do stand up for survivors?

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Yep.

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But the behavior, like the, the actions are not matching up with the words.

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It is, it is remarkable. I mean, it is like. And honestly though, and then we'll go to our next clip. This is what MAGA has always been. They've ignored reality. Jared Stacy calls it dis reality. They live in a world of dis reality where what's in front of them is not real. Right. The election wasn't stolen, but according to them, it definitely was. I mean, Trump repeated that lie at the National Prayer Breakfast. They live in a state that is not here. It is somewhere else in their mind. To the point where Pam Bondi, who oversees the doj, is asked to apologize to the survivors behind her who were assaulted and trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein and his co conspirators and probably many more people, and she can't even look back and just even acknowledge them. Wow. Wow. Okay. You want to tee up this next clip because it's really good. Who's this person?

[A]

This is Representative Ted Liu. Gosh, we have so many clips. I can't remember what his point is. It's a great, really great point.

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Yeah. This is where he essentially gets her to almost, in his words, lie under oath. And I'll let him explain how this works. Again, longer clip, but worth listening to. Discuss another man, Donald Trump, who is all over the Epstein files. Like former prince.

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Here's the video.

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Like former Prince Andrew, Donald Trump attended various parties with Jeffrey Epstein. I want to know were there any underage girls at that party or at any party that Trump attended with Jeffrey Epstein?

[A]

This is so ridiculous. And that they are trying to deflect from all the great things Donald Trump has done. There is no evidence that Donald Trump has committed a crime. Everyone knows that. This has been the most transparent presidency. He's the one that those five claim my time.

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I got your answer. You said there's no evidence.

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Legislation. This. This is.

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Belongs to the gentleman from California. Okay. I'm going to put up another document from a witness who called the FBI's National Threat Operations center because I believe you just lied under oath. There is ample evidence in the Epstein file.

[A]

Don't you ever accuse me of a crime.

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I believe you just lied under oath. And this is all on videotape. You said there's no evidence of crime. I'm showing you. Here is a witness statement who called into the FBI's threat operations center. He drove Donald Trump around in a limo. He overheard what Donald Trump said to Jeffrey on his cell phone. He was so angry. He was going to stop a limo and hurt Donald Trump. And he met a girl who said she was raped by Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. She later had her head blown off. And officers at the scene said that could not have been suicide. No one. No one at the Department of Justice interviewed this witness. You need to interview this witness immediately. Epstein should rot in hell. So should the men who patronize this operation. And as we sit here today, There are over 1,000 sex trafficking victims and you have not held a single man accountable. Shame on you. If you had any decency, you would resign right after this hearing concludes. Gentlemen.

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Has expired.

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We now. I didn't. I mean, that's the thing. There are so many. There are so many files that every day we get more and more stories that are just. They're. They feel like they're almost fiction, you know, but they're not. They're not like that. Story that the limo driver, you know, alleges that he overheard Donald Trump and all this stuff. And the girl who, who testified, you know, got in Ted's words or Congressman Ted's words, you know, her head blown off. Like, why. Yeah, why wouldn't you want to investigate that claim? That's a serious minimum. At a minimum, if we can send federal masked agents who are armed to arrest five year olds and send them to Texas and then ignore judge's orders to bring him back and then do it kicking and screaming and then say that this administration is going to appeal that ruling. You're telling me that we don't have time to look into cases like this. Gotta be kidding me.

[A]

What really gets me is how they're able to say there's no evidence that Donald Trump had involvement. When a tip coming in on a tip line is technically considered evidence. Evidence doesn't mean proof.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But there's evidence everywhere.

[B]

100% like it is.

[A]

It is wild to me, the amount of MAGA people in my comments that are like, Trump's. Trump's not even mentioned. Like, they don't. Yes, he is. In fact, Representative Raskin, they've been letting Congress come in and see the unredacted files in the last few days. And he said, I'm assuming he probably just searched on the computer, but he said that Donald Trump's name appeared over a million times and was redacted a lot.

[B]

Yes. And fun fact, there are still some files that are redacted, even for Congress that they won't unredact. Like, they're not. No. There's no transparency here. There was kicking and screaming. There were survivors coming forward. They delayed the release of the files. They redacted so many pieces of what would be evidence. Right. There's nothing transparent about this. Trump goes from release the files. Cash Patel released the files. Pam Bond released the files. Ooh, our guys in it. Nothing to see here. No guys. Why are we still talking about the files? Like, that's so ridiculous. Like, what do you guys. It's ultimate gaslighting and we're just watching it over and over again. Before we get to our next clip, let's read a few super chats. We always read super chats on the air, so we want to do that as well. Okay, friends, thanks so much again for being here. Let's read a few of these. We have some From Joseph Compton, TPUSA's halftime show got outperformed by the Puppy Bowl. That is hilarious. I did not know that. Let's see we have Shara Sexy 799 tied to the only church I'm willing to give money to. Love you guys and what you do. Thank you so much. That means the world. See? Yeah. April, leave and come back. Go ahead and do that. Amaryllis Azure says a salt shaker. Thank you. I think that's actually an emoji that just got read. And then. Deanna much. Everyone please buy a shirt for charity. I had the idea for the design. It's for a good cause. Also, so proud to be Puerto Rican today and always. Absolutely. This shirt does go to help families directly impacted by ice, especially immigrant families. So make sure to buy one. All the money goes right there. And then let's go to Stevie Clown Bondi. Mean girl, very immature. Needs to grow up 100%. And we'll do one more for now from Just Juka. I don't have the bandwidth to watch these on my own, so thank you for hosting this debrief. Absolutely. Friends. Okay, let's get April back in. April, are you there?

[A]

I'm here. Am I better?

[B]

Yeah, you're a lot better.

[A]

If I seemed a little distracted earlier, it's because it kept getting blurry on my end and I was, like, freaking out. It's still. Honestly, I don't know why, but.

[B]

Well, look, it's live streaming, man. Things happen sometimes, you know, Nothing we can do about it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

We'll keep working. All right, let's. Let's get back to some of these clips that we pulled. This next one is from. How do you say his last name? Because I mispronounced it every time.

[A]

Nadler.

[B]

Nadler.

[A]

Jim Nadler.

[B]

Yeah, this is. This was a doozy.

[A]

Listen, I gotta say, I turned. I turned on the hearing. No, what. Wait, what's his name? Not Jim Nadler. What's his first name?

[B]

Congressman Nadler. That's his first name.

[A]

Is it Jim Nadler?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Jerry Nadler. Okay, Jim Nadler. Okay. Jim Nadler is a guy that did a bunch of attorney commercials in Texas growing up. Anyway, I turned this hearing on live at this part, okay? And it was wild.

[B]

Concrete evidence of disgusting criminality revealed in the Epstein files. So I have just. So I really have just one question for you. How many of Epstein's co conspirators have you indicted? How many perpetrators are you even investigating? Good question.

[A]

First you showed a. I find out.

[B]

How many have you indicted?

[A]

Excuse me, I'm going to answer the question.

[B]

Answer my question.

[A]

No, I'm going to answer the question the way I want to answer. Answer the question, Chairman Jordan. I'm not going to get in the gutter with these people. I'm going to answer the question.

[B]

How many of you invited again?

[A]

The time belongs.

[B]

Framing my time. The time belongs.

[A]

I think it's very interesting.

[B]

My time.

[A]

I think it's very interesting. He talks about they indicted the President. Said they indicted him.

[B]

Many will be harder. We gentleman from New York, we will.

[A]

Give you a few more seconds.

[B]

We will do that. But when you ask a question, the witness gets to answer.

[A]

You may not like the answer, but.

[B]

She gets to the question was how many of Epstein.

[A]

They don't like the answer. Chairman.

[B]

My time.

[A]

Because it's honest. So he asked a four minute question.

[B]

Restore 45 seconds. Mr. Naber, please. Mr. Chairman, you can let her filibuster all day long, but not on our watch. Not on our time. No way. I told you about that Attorney General before you started.

[A]

You don't tell me.

[B]

No, I did tell you because we saw what you did in the Senate lawyer. Not even a lawyer. Meeting will be in order. Time and I should get back at least 45 seconds. We will give you a few more seconds. I said that already. 45 seconds. Okay, I will. I'm timing right now, Mr. Nadler. I'm taking my time. The answer to my question, how many of Epstein's co conspirators has she indicted? Is zero. You have been the Attorney General for a whole year. And your DOJ fired the lead prosecutor of this case, sat on evidence this entire time and claimed falsely last July that there were no more leads. It took an act of Congress for you to finally release part of the Epstein files. And when you did, you included personal information about the victims while protecting the names of abusers. Time of the general expired. Brought to justice, but enormous resources.

[A]

Time of the gentleman has expired.

[B]

And obviously clear that under your leadership, the Department of Justice no longer works in there. It works Trump. I yield back. The gentleman yields back.

[A]

May I answer first?

[B]

Hold on. Can we just take a breather? Can I just breathe for a minute? Because my ears hurt. My ears hurt.

[A]

It's about to get even wilder.

[B]

All right. Let that process friends. Here's her response to all of that.

[A]

He brought up the President saying they indicted me twice. They sure did. They tried to impeach him twice. And you, Mr. Nadler, were one of the leads on the impeachment. I was on the other side. I lived that with you. During impeachment, you said the President conspired, sought foreign interference in the 2016 election Robert Mueller found no evidence, none of foreign interference in 2016. Have you apologized to President Trump? Have you apologized to President Trump? All of you who participated in those impeachment hearings against Donald Trump, you all should be apologizing. You sit here and you attack the president and I am not going to have it. I'm not going to put up with it. You know all they want to do. All the American people need to know this. They are talking about Epstein today. This has been around since the Obama administration. This administration released over 3 million pages of documents. Over 3 million. And Donald Trump signed that law to release all of those documents. He is the most transparent president in the nation's history. And none of them, none of them. Ask Merrick Garland. Over the last four years, one word about Jeffrey Epstein. How ironic is that? You know why? Because Donald Trump. The Dow. The Dow right now is over. The dow is over $50,000. I don't know why you're laughing. You're a great stock trader, as I hear. Rascal.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Is over 50,000 right now. The S&P at almost 7,000. And the NASDAQ smashing records. Americans 401ks and retirement savings are booming. That's what we should be talking about. We should be talking about making Americans safe. We should be talking about what does a Dow have to do with anything? That's what they just asked. Are you kidding, Mr. Jordan?

[B]

Am I, Mr. Jordan? Committee will be in order.

[A]

You.

[B]

Oh my. Yeah, guys, why? Why talk about the biggest sex trafficking ring in modern day history with the billionaire class behind the whole thing, including the President of the United States. The Dow. Look at the Dow. The Dow is what matters here. Like they got to be playing the game to know that.

[A]

So many different angles there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, sorry, I think I'm delayed.

[A]

Again and I don't know what to do about it.

[B]

Are you really. Oh, you are. You're way out. Why don't you restart your computer and come back? And also, are you using headphones?

[A]

Okay, I'll do. I'm so sorry, I am using headphones.

[B]

Yeah, just do a restart, you'll be good.

[A]

Okay, I will come back.

[B]

All right, friends, while April is fixing some technical issues, thank you so much again for being here. The Tim and April show goes live Every Thursday at 12 o' clock Eastern and we do a pre recorded episode every Tuesday that drops on podcasts and on YouTube. I gotta say, there's so many people watching on substack. Thank you so much for tuning in. It means the world. Like I said earlier. This show is produced by the New Evangelicals, a nonprofit organization that I started now led by Melinda Hale, helping people find a better path forward in their faith. There are tons of free resources, tons of classes by top tier scholarship. Go to thenewevangelicals.com connect to get involved with our community. Honestly friends, I gotta be transparent with you. I don't even know how to respond to some of this stuff when it comes to these files. Like what do you say when reality is in your face and you're watching not just anyone, but someone who oversees the entire Department of Justice blatantly either misdirect, not answer easy to answer questions, or at least what should be easy and then ignore survivors who were trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein and his co conspirators. What goes on in your head that justifies such egregious behavior? That is what I cannot wrap my head around. And I think what is frustrating for me is that I grew up in a and so did April in a very conservative Christian environment that was really focused on sex and like how you have sex. And to watch pastors and right wing pundits just have nothing to say about what is happening right now. Like millions of documents documenting all kinds of horrific things that demand further investigation. To watch pastors that either I know personally or that I watch or follow online and right wing pundits who claim to be standing for biblical values right in God and country. To see them quiet on this is absolutely wild. I mean frankly. Q and I was kind of right on this, weren't they? You're right guys. There is a sex trafficking ring that operates in the shadows with our with many politicians and the billionaire class. You were right. So where are you? Where is the demand from this administration for accountability and for transparency? That is the part for me that I have the hardest time understanding frankly is just trying to wrap my head around how Christians who claim to be voting for again biblical principles vote for this man and have absolutely nothing to say about his involvement. It's ridiculous. Hi April, are you back?

[A]

I don't know what you're saying, but I bet it is ridiculous.

[B]

Tldr I was just saying how crazy it is that the party of biblical values, the Christians that we know grew up with have nothing to say about what is the world's most prolific child sex trafficking ring being exposed in broad daylight.

[A]

That's what I was saying honestly. And we need to be centering the survivors in all of this. I've seen photos now from this latest Epstein dump ones I Saw were redacted. But they look so young, I. And I. It's. It almost seems unreal because it is so. The story is so unbelievable in a sense, where how can, like, this level of evil exist when we're talking about children?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like this. This would be. I mean, this is becoming a bipartisan issue.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

In some cases, obviously, Pam Bondi, not so much a lot of the MAGA people, and I don't know if you brought this up while I had been raptured, but like, I've seen there was an email that they found of Donald Trump. I don't remember the year, but early on, basically kind of telling on Matt, on Ghislaine Maxwell, saying, you need to go after her because she's evil. And so I've seen a lot of MAGA people bring that up to prove, like, oh, well, Trump's only in it because he was the informant to. To save, you know, the girls, I guess. But my question is, if that's true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why has Donald Trump fought so hard to hide these files?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when she mentioned earlier, I was going to say it, and then I froze, but she was like, Pam Bondi said that, you know, Donald Trump, he's the one that signed it into law to release all these files, and therefore he's the most transparent. He only agreed to release them because Republicans like Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene were turning his own base against him.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That is the only reason that he agreed to do that. And we saw both times the amount of redactions that are in there. Like that first batch, there were pages after pages of just solid.

[B]

Black, Black. Yeah, just black, black, 100%.

[A]

And then some of the most terrible emails and referring to trafficking and crimes and torture videos. The sender is. Is redacted.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Why are you protecting the predators?

[B]

Right.

[A]

I just have questions.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And if Donald Trump really was the one to turn on Epstein, why is that not the story? Why are you not releasing all the files to prove that Donald Trump is.

[B]

Not a principled person. We all know this. Right. He's a complete grifter. And the handshake between, in particular white evangelicals and Trump is that if you give us the political and cultural power that we want access to, we will defend you at every turn. And by the way, there is new Pew Research that just came out. I just read it today. As of the polling was done January 20th through the 26th of this year, and they found that 69% of white evangelicals approve of the job that Trump is currently doing. They are the highest religious group to have that level of support. However, and this is what's so interesting, 40% of them say that Donald Trump is probably not acting ethical while in the White House. So you have this 30 point gap where people will say, I approve of the job he's doing, even if I think what he's doing is unethical. That. I mean, April, you and I talk about this all the time, right? How white evangelicalism in particular is the gasoline to the engine of maga. And every time we share the data, we say that why is your cat. I'm on a rant here, but every time I share. You're good. Every time we share the data, it doesn't change. I mean, 70% of white evangelicals supporting this administration after what we've seen with ice, the Epstein files, and so many other things. I mean, so many other things. And they go, yeah, seven out of ten say bang up job, dude. Yeah, it is, it is. It's unbelievable to witness. So, okay, we got a few more clips to play, and then we'll go from there.

[A]

So sorry you're having a rough one.

[B]

On our biggest live ever in Tim and April show history.

[A]

I know this is not normal. I'm at least clear now. But, gosh, it's all good.

[B]

It's all good. Okay, let's keep it going. This is Congressman Massie talking to Pam Bondi. This is a much shorter clip just to show the level of unhinged that she was. Here we go.

[A]

Me a question. Within 40 minutes, Wexner's name was added back.

[B]

Within 40 minutes of me catching you red handed.

[A]

Red handed. There was one redaction where he's listed.

[B]

As a co conspirator.

[A]

And we invited you in. This guy has Trump derangement syndrome. He needs to get. You're a failed politician.

[B]

Okay, it stops there. What did he even say? We're just presenting the data. The historians will tell the story. We're just documenting what's happening in 2026America for future historians to look back and have all the evidence that this actually happened in American history. That our doj, the head of it, defended and protected a man who was BFF at best with a serial pedophile, and that worse was complicit in those actions. And we have a DOJ who says nothing to see here. Friends, there is no evidence of any crimes. Ignore all the files. We're not gonna investigate. We're not gonna talk to the survivors. Nothing to see here, maga.

[A]

And in fact, if you Want to investigate it, it's only because you have Trump derangement syndrome, which is so stupid. Like the amount of times like I'll make a video calling out something Donald Trump says and the MAGA people in my comments that are like, oh, Donald Trump's living rent free in your head, I'm like, dude, he's the president. He's on the news 24 7. I would love to never have to think about Donald Trump again. And honestly, I'm quite pissed that white evangelicals and the faith tradition that you and I come from, I think without them you don't have a second Trump president. Definitely that you don't have a first Trump president. And I am pissed that they have kept Donald Trump on my brain for over a decade now because I, I can't stand that man. I think he's awful and I want him to never have power again because he actively harms people. Whether or not he is directly involved in Epstein or not, there is a myriad of other reasons of why I do not like him and why I don't think any follower of Christ should support him and defend him, much less champion himself. It is just, it is mind boggling. And we've said this many times. Every accusation is a confession and is all projection when the reality is all the people that are still supporting Donald Trump at this point, like Pam Bondi, are the ones that actually have Trump derangement syndrome. Don't make any sense. Their logic is, is a constant mental, gymnastic, cognitive dissonance bundle of crap. Like it literally, like trying to talk to a MAGA person sometimes is one of the most infuriating things. I feel like I could have a more rational conversation with the cat that's in my lap right now. Yeah. Anyway, that's it. I could go off on this because it pisses me off to no end.

[B]

But that's probably live every week. Few more super chats that came in real quick. I just wanted to read. We got one here from Just Juka. I don't have the bandwidth to watch these on my own, so thank you for hosting this debrief. A debrief? I think I read that one already. One from Dalk Dogan. This admin acts like a bunch of children. We have one from Joseph Compton here. They're asking us not to believe our own eyes. Trump was clearly besties with Epstein, yet Bondi sits here and says that he's a great man and a great leader. Absolutely. Let's see another one from Joseph Compton. Make America safe again. How dare she fix her mouth to say such a thing. Yeah, exactly. I totally agree. CB the clown, follow the money. The Dow. Yes. The rich believe they are above the law because they're rich. I mean, this is a really important point. You're absolutely right, Stevie the Clown. 100%.

[A]

Well, also, they bring up the stock market a lot, which is doing well. From what, from how I understand it, I really don't know much about the stock market. But that just again, shows how disconnected they are from reality. Because most Americans are not impacted at all by the Dow.

[B]

That's right. At all.

[A]

I'm not.

[B]

Nope. I'm impacted by grocery prices. I'm impacted by the fact that I'm scared I might go into medical debt because I can't get affordable health care in this country. But we're not talking about that. The Dow, guys. The Dow. We're so back. It's okay. So with all that being said, we wanted to play this older video of Pam Bondi when she ran for Attorney General so you can actually see what your brain looks like on legitimate Trump derangement Syndrome, because she was not always this way. Allegedly. Here's what she said in her ad for Attorney General. Here we go.

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Florida ranks third nationally and calls for help for human trafficking where young women and children are enslaved and abused. I knew we needed all hands on deck. Businesses and hospitals to spot it, are great. Law enforcement to stop it, and tougher penalties to punish it. We're taking on Medicaid fraud, pill mills, gangs, and more. And I'll fight to put human trafficking monsters where they belong, behind bars.

[B]

Pam Bondi, our Attorney General there. I. Wow.

[A]

I was. That was when she was Attorney General of Florida.

[B]

Florida, yeah.

[A]

And human trafficking monsters, Mar A Lago, where stuff in this files have shown a lot of girls came from Mar A Lago and were trafficked through there. Mar A Lago's in Florida?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Where she was Attorney General before. She's Attorney General of the United States now.

[B]

We have to stop. How do I say this? What they say is never what they mean. Like, we have to just come to the reality that we are dealing with the political party that's been hijacked by this MAGA ultimately Christofascist way of viewing, seeing the world. And because of that, they are never, ever, ever, ever going to do anything on principle. The only principles that they have are the principles of whatever gives them power and control. Right. This is why. This is why they can watch a TEMU halftime show with Kid Rock who sings songs like Balls in Your mouth. Right. And who is in a sex tape with Scott Stapp? And who said something about the Olsen twins when they were underage that was incredibly predatory. I have the clip. I'm not gonna play. Okay. They can say, wow, that was an all American halftime show. And then they can say, also, a congressman said this. We're going to investigate Bad Bunny for.

[A]

His lyrics, which is absolutely bonkers.

[B]

It's wild. This. Honestly, I don't want to sound extreme, but we need, like, a revolution. Like, we really do. We are beyond trying to compromise or work together. This is a bipartisan thing. Right? I would think we would all agree. And honestly, I will say me and my more conservative friends absolutely do agree that obviously child trafficking is bad. Right? That abusing kids is bad. But for some reason, the people that we have in power are only enabling it. And the Big MAGA pundits are just turning a blind eye to the whole thing while yelling about trans women in sports. It's so stupid. But it's also so evil because so.

[A]

Much of their faith is based on the performance of faith, the lip service of faith. I mean, think of, like, Ali best. Ducky shared the Kid Rock clip where he, quote, unquote, shared the gospel. He's still saying some of his old songs there. But they can ignore his songs about topless dancers or, you know, which is immoral in that world. But they can ignore that if at the end he says, you should give your life to Jesus. They can ignore every single transgression Trump said, because he'll. At Easter, he says, we gotta save Christianity. Like, they will take the lip service over the actual living out of the faith every single time.

[B]

Foreign. I'm on Ali Stuckey's Facebook page. Her last post, 17 hours ago. Medically harming children who believe they're in the wrong body is not loving thy neighbor. It's the opposite. She's obsessed. She's obsessed with trans kids. She's obsessed with trans kids. Then there's a promo for her new event. There's the Turning Point clip that you talked about. There's another clip about marriage. And then she has. Oh, oh, I found something. She talked about the Epstein files. April, I have proof. Let me show the audience here. Here she is.

[A]

Oh, this was so cringey.

[B]

She has three takeaways. Oh, I would love to hear them. April, you should probably read these.

[A]

You should read these. I would love to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's actually. My screen is clear.

[B]

To be clear, Ally Sucky, the champion for biblical marriage between one man and one Woman for life, right? Who hates abuse of all kinds. Who wants to protect the kids. Here are her three takeaways from the Jeffrey Epstein quote unquote scandal.

[A]

Okay. 1. Notice the nature of sin. Sin makes you stupid. Lust, envy and selfish ambition arrests our thinking. Satan works by overplaying the benefits of sin while downplaying its consequences. Many powerful people were drawn into Epstein's web by promises of access, influence and pleasure. Few likely intended to join a criminal enterprise. But through small compromises, they found themselves connected to an evil person and practicing evil themselves.

[B]

Okay, point two.

[A]

All right. Point two. My cat is moving my screen. Move, child. I actually have children. This is not my child. But can you please. I'm doing a show.

[B]

There's a Jezebel spirit in that cat, I'm telling you.

[A]

No, this is the cat that just showed up for OG people when we used to do a different show. This cat just showed up on our porch and is now our cat. Anyway, point 2. Point 2 by Ali Bestecky 2. Recalibrate your definition of success. Man's rejection is God's protection. What if the raise you didn't get, the promotion you didn't receive, the campaign you didn't win, the friend group or party you didn't get invited to was actually God protecting your soul? What if God knew that that thing you desired would actually end up harming you and hindering you spiritually? That promotion or party may not have put you in the echelon, is how you say that word, echelon of Epstein. But maybe it was going to put you in cahoots. That's just a funny word. In cahoots with the wrong people or encourage pride or covetousness in you. God cares more about our holiness than our happiness. And he will stop at nothing to accomplish his will in us. Honestly, that line she just said, God cares more about our holiness than happiness. I cannot tell you the amount of people that have condemned my gay brother or my non binary spouse with that line. Well, a Christian life is not about being happy.

[B]

Yep, like says the people obsessed with their own comfort. Says the people obsessed with their own power and privilege, like Ali lives a very comfortable life as an author and a pundit making a lot of money. But hey, you're a non binary spouse. Well, they're just not. They're not. They're not being holy enough. They have to suffer. It's so stupid.

[A]

Okay, no, it is. It is also just shows me that they're not happy. Anyway. Move on. Number three. Be grateful for a Christian Civilization. The only reason we have a rightful aversion to Jeffrey Epstein is because of Christianity.

[B]

It's crazy.

[A]

Oh my God. Disgust towards pedophilia and preying upon minors is not self evident nor. You know what the. What? What? Hold on, let me read this again. She said disgust towards pedophilia and preying upon minors is not self evident nor universal. Okay. There are Jeffrey Epstein. Throughout history and across cultures and many non Western nations today, child marriage or raping underage girls is not seen as perverse or criminal. Unlike Islam, the model for marriage in the Bible is between one man and one woman who are tasked with being fruitful and multiplying, which can only be done post puberty. This is the standard Christianity set. The revulsion is to Jeffrey Epstein and his ilk whose actions are common throughout history is evidence of the vestiges of the Christian conscience that forged the West. This is such bs. I am a Christian. We are Christians. But it is absolutely self evident and universal to not abuse children. And what the. The way that Islam is constantly catching.

[B]

Constantly.

[A]

I have Muslim friends who also are inherently against child abuse.

[B]

I also want to say one last thing because we really could spend a whole episode on those three statements.

[A]

By the way, we were planning to talk about Ali Beth Snuggie.

[B]

Again, no mention of Trump. Right? No mention of Trump. How convenient. One last thing. In America Only as of 2024, only 13 out of 50 states have banned child marriage. So when Ali talks about the west and how we ban child, that's not even true in America. Okay, but she either knows that and doesn't care or she's just ignorant. Which is. Either way, it's bad.

[A]

Not to mention how many youth pastors are caught every single year preying on underage girls?

[B]

So many.

[A]

Or. Or like grooming them until the day they turn 18.

[B]

That was. And then dating them.

[A]

Yep. Matt Chandler did.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, that's what I thought. Okay, so little tangent there. But we had to point that out. Like that's how MAGA pundits are talking about this. Like they are saying nothing, nothing about this. So we also wanted to play a couple clips that were not related to the Epstein files itself. But I still think are really telling this next clip. Honestly, I did not know this. I did not know this about the administration and my jaw dropped when I found this out. I'm gonna play the clip and you'll see what I'm talking about and then we'll go from there. I want to show you just a brief, brief video. It's about 30 seconds and I'll ask you a couple questions about it. You guys are disgusting.

[A]

I'm former law enforcement.

[B]

You're disgusting.

[A]

You are the Nazi.

[B]

You are the Gestapo. You can't see it because you're chasing your pension, right? Pension. You're retired, Right. That's what runs your life, your retirement. The sad thing is they're not even going to get this is January 6th. Attorney General Bondi. That man works for you now, right?

[A]

Who was that congressman?

[B]

The man in that video, the one who was in the police worn body cam footage. The one allegedly yelling kill him at police officers on January 6. His name is Jared Wise.

[A]

He does work for us.

[B]

He works for you at the Department of Justice. Oh, my God.

[A]

He does.

[B]

This is an individual whom a federal grand jury indicted for two felonies and four misdemeanors related to his participation in the attack on January 6th. One of those charges was forcibly assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, interfering with police with the intent to commit another felony. This is who you choose as the chief law enforcement officer of the United States of America to hire at the Department of Justice. Someone on video yelling kill him at police officers. Right.

[A]

I believe he was pardoned by President Trump.

[B]

Oh, he was pardoned. You're right. You're right. Pardoned by President Trump for his offense. Pardoned for yelling kill him at police officers. And yet you expect hardworking police officers across the country to believe that you take law enforcement seriously. You could imagine the reaction of so many folks across the country hearing the chief law enforcement officer of the United States refuse to even condemn what that individual whom you've now hired did. That is crazy. I didn't know that. I did not know that that was.

[A]

Representative Joe Negus that was making that exchange.

[B]

I did not know that we had a man in the DOJ who was hired by this DOJ who was at January 6th saying to kill them all regarding police officers. Is this a party of back the blue? Like you can't keep it straight because there is no inherent principle to any of this. It doesn't matter. Like, throw all of your principles out the window, throw all of your logic out the window, ignore what's right in front of your face and then you understand maga.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that exchange alone is very telling to how they don't actually care about law and order. They only care about taking more power and more authority for their MAGA movement. I do want to clarify something real quick. Some people in the comments were bringing up the history of like, Child brides. And that in the ancient world, basically once a girl's on her period, she was eligible for marriage, which that is true. So I should clarify that the majority of people in the modern times will recognize that child abuse is wrong regardless of their religious beliefs.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't want to get into it, but yes, that's, that's correct. Also, you usually lived like 35 in the ancient world, so just a different way of completely thinking about everything. But, yes, in the modern world, it's pretty widely understood that you don't do those things.

[A]

It is definitely not because of Christianity that we think it's bad.

[B]

I mean, look, yeah, I'm not going to say that, but yes, I agree. I also want to point out I shared this another day today, NPR, 22 hours ago, a handyman from Florida who received a pardon from President Trump for storming the U.S. capitol was convicted on state charges of child sex abuse and exposing himself. That's the Trump administration. Like, they pardoned the man who just did that. This is who we have in power. It's remarkable. I'm going to skip this one. I think it's, you know, we're a little out of time here, but I did want to play this last one of Jim Jordan. So Jim Jordan is the chairman over this committee and talk about, like, I mean, you're so close, but also so far he actually said this. And then the plot twist at the end is like so jarring, we had to share it. It's not very long. Here's Jim Jordan talking to Pam. Body allowed to exercise your constitutional rights in a way that tramples on someone else's. Are you. No, no, you can't do that. I mean, you have a right to petition the government under the First Amendment. That doesn't mean you can come into this, this room and start screaming at Mr. Raskin or me or anybody else and disrupt a congressional hearing. You have a right to protest on this, the street, but that doesn't give you a right to go into the Capitol and disrupt Congress, something these guys talk about every, every day. You can't do that. Oh, good to know. So when Don Lemon said that he was exercising his First Amendment free press rights, freedom of the press rights. That's not really accurate because he was trampling on other individuals rights. Is that, is that true?

[A]

Chairman? We will always protect our churches and the freedom of religion.

[B]

Okay, the end.

[A]

It's interesting to hear him say that. You can't protest inside the Capitol.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

So bizarre when Donald Trump pardoned all of Them pardoned.

[B]

All of them.

[A]

One just blanket pardon.

[B]

One just sexually assaulted a child.

[A]

I. I just don't keep the same energy. And pardoned on Lemon, too, which is a total. Which is a different scenario. And we. We talked about this at length. You know, I. I personally don't think it's great to protest inside church religious services, but I also understand why that happened, because there is the law. What's.

[B]

Well, they made them off. Don Lemon was just covering the story. He wasn't there to. Right.

[A]

They should not have arrested Don Lemon. He was definitely there as a story.

[B]

Covering the story, like, as a journalist. Right. Yeah.

[A]

But they also are not keeping. Like, they're. They're very hypocritical in the way that they're using that law to prosecute people. Because there have been several instances of conservatives. Yeah. Of conservatives that have gone into progressive churches, especially during Pride Month, that are, you know, queer affirming and will disrupt their services. None of them have ever been arrested.

[B]

No, no. We're just the one way street, you know, I mean. Yeah, it is. This is how fascism works. This is how Christo fascism works. This is what it is. Like, you're never gonna. This is in April. You. And I say this a lot, but, like, there are some politicians out there for some reason who think that they can, like, find common ground with, like, the MAGA sycophants, and you just can't. You're never gonna be able to. You're never gonna be able to because they see you as a demon. Like, people don't understand that there's a spiritual element to this. For a lot of people in the MAGA movement, where they literally think that the demon crats are sacrificing children on the altar of baal, that they are demonically influenced, that they hate America, that they want to put all the Christians in jail. They really think this stuff. And when you have that view of your political opponent, you're never going to trust them or compromise with them. You're never going to want to work together, because the only solution for you is to eradicate those people, to get them out of government, to take full power and full control. And that's what we're seeing in this administration. Right. Trump. The Trump administration is defying court orders left and right. They're defying. I'm blanking on Abby's corpus. Thank you. They're defying those commands by judges. They're not releasing immigrants when they're told to. They are just defying the entire system. And then we're being lied to straight to our face. Even while all this evidence is in front of us. Pictures. There's a picture of Prince Andrew with what looks to be like, a very young or underage woman. And Pam Bondi's like, like. Or a girl. And Pan Bonnie is like, nothing to see here. No, there's no evidence. Insufficient evidence. Cash Patel says that Jeffrey Epstein only trafficked victims to himself. Like, dude, they must think that we're stupid. They. They must think that. They must.

[A]

I. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I do think there is some lack of thinking in some MAGA spaces.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I mean, and I understand indoctrination plays a huge role in mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance, but it is so obvious when you step out of that just how. I mean, the amount of people that will look at a bad bunny super bowl halftime show and get fuzzy screen grabs to prove that it was a satanic ritual, like, such a stretch. But they will believe that with their whole heart of evidence. Or they'll believe that the rapture's happening on X day with their whole heart without evidence. But with the tons of evidence we have that Donald Trump is a predator. Epstein stuff aside.

[B]

Yep. That's right.

[A]

He was found liable.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

For rape by a jury and a judge.

[B]

Not to mention his own words of bragging about sexually assaulting women. Right. The leaked Hollywood access tapes. We have him on legitimate things. Yeah.

[A]

And they will see all that evidence and say, oh, that's just a lie from Satan, from the demon rats. Can't trust them. And then we'll believe whatever Donald Trump says with no evidence. It's just so. It's infuriating.

[B]

The good news, though, if I can even say that, the silver lining is that there are a lot of Christians who are fighting tooth and nail against this administration. So I understand, especially for folks out there who are not religious or do not grow up in Christianity. I understand the justifiable notion to just think that all Christians are behind this or that all Christians are tolerating this. But I can promise you there are millions of Christians in all walks of life, different belief systems in Christianity, who are all working together to do what they can. I was actually part the other last week of like, resist ice get together at a church. 500 people showed up from the community, training us on what to do if ICE shows up, hearing from different immigrants and how we could protect them. April, you and I, right. We grew up in conservative Christian worlds and believed it and we changed our minds. So I do think it's important to also recognize that, yes, it's very discouraging that people in power are. They're not good people like they are. I would argue they're very evil in what they're doing right now. Right. But there are a lot of Christians who are doing everything they can with other people of different faiths and beliefs to work together because of their shared values for all of their neighbors. So, you know, a better path forward is definitely. It's definitely a thing. There are definitely ways to find the Christianity that fights for the liberation of the oppressed, not the Christianity that does the oppression. Right. And I think it's really important to remember.

[A]

And I've seen some more conservative, even MAGA Christians starting to speak out, too. I saw several, too, that spoke out against Trump's really racist post about the Obamas over the weekend, which we were gonna talk about that. And then Epstein's definitely stuff happened, but I've saw some surprising people that actually called him out for that and did not buy what the White House said was the reason that that happened. So, yeah, people will start waking up.

[B]

And then we can get to our final segment. Let's see what's a good one here. Okay, Here, can you see this? All right.

[A]

Yes. This is from Build Dreams Kindly. These Trump scene files are so egregious. Thanks for making us evangelical kids now adults not feel crazy or alone in our thoughts on what's going on. Thank you from just Yuka. I think I have a friend named Yuka. That's how you say it.

[B]

But I don't know.

[A]

I call my cats and dogs the office managers. I like that from Deanna much. I cannot believe Ali Beth Stucky actually believes this. I have seen child abuse in my medical career. It is definitely something that everyone recognizes. As bad as Justine Bailey. Pet appearances bring levity and the heaviness. Bring on all the pets. I do think not. Not to be weird, but I'm like, maybe it was like a weird God thing that this cat showed up because she's become my little emotional support animal.

[B]

Well, maybe our hamster, my hamster escaped, too. Maybe he'll show up here.

[A]

Your hamster escaped?

[B]

Have you not been following the saga of our. Of our family hamster Hamilton now called Hamilton Houdini?

[A]

No, I haven't.

[B]

Oh, yeah. We had to get him a new cage. He has a much bigger cage now with all the tubes. But that guy was break. It was. It was a prison break every night.

[A]

Oh, my gosh, we lost him. Don't let him.

[B]

I thought he was a gunner and he resurrected. So it was the thing. Friends, thank you so much for being here. Honestly, it really means the world to have all of you tuning into this show. April and I, we love doing this, and it helps us feel not alone as well. If you're watching on YouTube, please make sure to give this video a like. It helps get it out to more people on the YouTube algorithms and subscribe to the channel. If you're watching on Substack, if you can smash the heart button, it makes us feel nice. We need a dopamine hit. It's like a dopamine hit every single time. So it says, oh, people actually like us. So that feels good. And lastly.

[A]

Okay, yeah, okay.

[B]

The Timid April show is produced by the New Evangelicals. It's a nonprofit organization that I founded in 2020, now run by the wonderful Melinda Hale, helping people find a better path forward in their faith. This is the place to go if you want access to better resources, community, amazing podcasts, like the New Evangelicals Podcast. That is the place to go. Everything we offer is totally free. You can follow us on Instagram, on We're Everywhere podcast, YouTube, hewevangelicals. We're doing amazing stuff there, so make sure to tune in. And lastly, these shirts that April and I are wearing that says salt melts ice, we are selling these as an organization, and every dollar that we get from these sales are going to a nonprofit organization in Minneapolis that we cannot name for safety reasons that is helping immigrant families directly in the threat, in the face of the threat of ice. So please make sure to pick up a shirt. They're really cool, they're really great, and they go towards a great, great cause.

[A]

Yes. And I was also gonna say, too, Tim and I obviously do this show, but we also make separate content that. And you and I cover various topics that we may not get into on here. Cause we only do this twice a week. So you could follow Tim Whitaker Speaks or at aprilajoy pretty much everywhere. We're on substack, too, for those.

[B]

Substack and Instagram and YouTube Premiere are my two platforms.

[A]

Yeah. If you want to see. If you want to laugh about the Pam Bondi hearing, I did make a sketch where I heard you're going viral.

[B]

You're going viral on it.

[A]

I'm going viral everywhere. Like, the video's doing really well. And that, like, rarely happens. Usually it at least dies. Why don't you fly?

[B]

We need some humor. I'll pull it up.

[A]

Sure. Yeah. I try to make. We try. I Try to be. Make it more funny and light hearted on my personal content because it's, it's, you know, heavy.

[B]

Let me pull it up here. Let's see. Wow. Let's take a look. I'll grab this. Let's see. Wow. Yeah, you are going. Okay, cool.

[A]

On every. Every place. It's doing really well, which is weird for me.

[B]

I have not seen this, so I'm excited. You ready?

[A]

Okay. It's the. For those listening, the text is if Pan Pam Bondi was a waitress.

[B]

I gotta refresh it.

[A]

There's no sound. Well, you know, it's funny. Since my time as waitress, I have completed more orders than any. What are the special. Excuse me, I'm gonna answer the question when I'm good and ready. Your theatrics are ridiculous. Okay? The market price fish might be up, but the Dow is down. Oh, you can't read the menu because of redaction. How about you apologize for coming in here with a party of 11? Ma', am, could I get a refill on water? Did you drink the water I already gave you? Yeah, but I want so you admit that I already gave you water? Yeah, but I yield my time, ma'.

[B]

Am.

[A]

Close. You want to complain that I gave you pickles when you said you didn't want pickles, but how about you apologize for a complicated order? I have yet to hear an apology from you. Or you for that matter. What are the gluten free options? How about you grow a bear a turkey burger? This guy's got beef derangement syndrome over here. Give me a break. Check, please. You do not tell me what to do. I will get you the check. It's almost when I want to get you the check. And could I please get that with Italian dressing? Italian dressing in America. Just say you love illegal invaders. Greetings. That was it. You know what though?

[B]

I'm all done. It's great.

[A]

I was only able to do that because my kids finally went back to school. I could be productive again.

[B]

And look. Yeah, the Internet missed you. So. Okay, let's get to our final. Our final segment that we do at the end of every live stream. Roll the stinger.

[A]

We. Christian.

[B]

We got a good one for you.

[A]

So for those listening, we are what looks like inside a car dealership?

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

There is what looks like a car salesman and two people that just bought the car that they're in front of. And the salesperson is the one that you're gonna hear they just bought a.

[B]

Car and make his face shine upon everyone who rides along and may he give you peace and bring you joy for the journey on every road that leads you home. Okay.

[A]

I wonder if they won the car because there's, like, confetti on the ground.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And a red carpet. I mean, he can see a little.

[B]

Bow on the back. Is there a bow in the back?

[A]

I'll give him that. I also have to shout out TJ for who sent us this video.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's just. Okay.

[A]

May the Lord bless this car.

[B]

Please don't just, you know what given, like, who the Lord represents these days. Please don't. Plus anything of mine. Just keep me far away.

[A]

Can you just imagine, like, I. I would feel so awkward if I was the couple being sung to after winning the car.

[B]

Like.

[A]

This car.

[B]

Okay, thanks.

[A]

Just give me the car. Honestly, of all the cringy videos that we have, there's something kind of endearing about that. Yes, but it is still weird. I would still qualify that as odd.

[B]

No, it's. I mean, I've never seen a car either sold or given away with that blessing in song.

[A]

Not even, like, laying hands on the car and praying for the car, but delivered via song. He does have a good voice, though.

[B]

No, it definitely was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On note. On pitch, as the vocalist said. Say right.

[A]

As the. As the vocalist said.

[B]

Aren't you a vocalist? Is not how they say it. You're on pitch.

[A]

I am, yeah. In tune. On pitch. You had the right pitch. Cool. Love it. Sitting the notes.

[B]

Okay. Well, we got through it, April. I. I told you before we. We went live, I'm like, this is going to be just a very. I got to really reign it in because the emotions I'm feeling are just so. They're just pure outrage. Like, just pure rage because we can't do anything. I feel like we're, you know, we're kind of helpless here where we can't do anything directly. But I do think if people, A, call their congress people and their senators and really start demanding accountability, and B, get ready to vote like heck in the midterms, we could do something. And by the way, I don't say that as, like, a, very happy. You know, I love the Democratic Party. I have so many issues with that party. However. However, I do think that given our situation, they will do a much better job at, A, hopefully prosecuting people in the files and also, B, like, restoring some sense of whatever kind of democratic process we had before Trump showed up. So please vote.

[A]

This is a, both sides are equally bad situation.

[B]

This is not at all. It's. It's not. So anyway, friends again, thank you so much for being here. We go live every Thursday at 12:00 clock Eastern on Subsec and on YouTube and we drop a pre recorded episode on podcast and on YouTube every Tuesday. Tim and April show. You can also follow us on Instagram. The Tim and April Show. Questions, comments, concerns. You can email us the Tim and April show thenewevangelicals.com you can email us there.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Cool. All right, well, that's all I got. I'm Tim Whitaker.

[A]

I'm April Lajoy.

[B]

See ya.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Sam.