Trump Rejects "Woke" Honorees While Hosting Kennedy Center Honors | Mila Kunis, Zooey Deschanel, Sam Altman | Monday, December 8

Summary

The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon

Episode: Trump Rejects "Woke" Honorees While Hosting Kennedy Center Honors | Guests: Mila Kunis, Zooey Deschanel, Sam Altman
Date: December 9, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Tonight Show features Jimmy Fallon delivering his signature blend of topical comedy and celebrity interviews. The show kicks off with monologue jokes targeting recent political and entertainment news, then welcomes three high-profile guests: Mila Kunis (star of "Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery"), Zooey Deschanel (discussing her film "Merv"), and Sam Altman (CEO of OpenAI, discussing AI and ChatGPT). Notable highlights include a humorous "Real Housewives" reenactment by The Roots, a competitive holiday décor discourse, tales from the set of "Elf" and "New Girl," and an accessible yet thoughtful conversation on the impact and trajectory of AI.

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Key Segments & Highlights

1. Monologue and Topical Jokes

Timestamps: 01:08 - 06:00

• Trump Hosts Kennedy Center Honors: Jokes about President Trump hosting the event himself, rejecting "woke" honorees, and comic imagery of the red carpet being one of his neckties.
  • “It was like the Golden Globes. If the host was also a Golden Globe.” – Chris Distefano (01:17)
  • “Trump said he rejected honorees who were too woke. Then he slept through all the acceptance speeches.” – Chris Distefano (01:39)
• Media Acquisitions: Satirical takes on Netflix buying Warner Bros. and HBO, and Paramount countering with an even bigger bid.
  • “If Warner Bros. was an edible arrangement, CNN is the cantaloupe.” – Chris Distefano (02:04)
  • “Tubi offered 20 bucks, a pack of Slim Jims, and two scratch offs.” – Chris Distefano (02:35)

2. "Real Housewives of Potomac" Reenactment

Timestamps: 02:43 - 05:09

• The Roots’ Tariq and Questlove dramatically reenact a heated scene, punctuated by Jimmy Fallon and Chris Distefano’s playful interjections.
• Memorable exchange (parodying reality TV drama):
  • “You are a try hard just like your fashion.” – Chris Distefano, as Stacey (04:46)
  • “Get your ass up out of my face. Not today you won’t act unladylike. Take your things and be gone. Toodaloo.” – Jimmy Fallon (04:50)

3. Weather Comedy Segment

Timestamps: 05:44 - 08:13

• Jerome Davis (weather correspondent, comedic bit) describes coping with New York’s cold via absurd methods, with audio “miscommunications” and running jokes:
  • “It’s so cold right now, I’m going to go hug a toaster oven to defrost my nipples.” – Jerome Davis (06:07)
  • “I keep my core warm by slowly drizzling my chest with hot nacho cheese.” – Jerome Davis (07:10)

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Guest: Mila Kunis – “Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery”

Timestamps: 08:48 - 22:39

Personal and Family Life

• Mila jokes about her “wrong dress for sitting” and her penchant for over-the-top holiday decorations:
  • “If there’s a Hallmark card, I have a decoration. Name it.” – Mila Kunis (09:51)
  • “When we got together, [Ashton’s] house was sleek and modern... then he walked into my house and was like, tchotchke’s everywhere.” – Mila Kunis (10:01)
• She describes inclusive, exuberant decorating for multiple holidays, including both Christmas and Hanukkah.
• Discusses creative gift-giving with husband Ashton Kutcher, limited to homemade gifts under $150 (loophole: "homemade by someone else" allowed). Recent example: An Etsy “Tin Man” with Chicago Bears theme (12:37), and a custom sardine box for her love of sardines (13:55).

Film Discussion: “Wake Up Dead Man: Knives Out”

• Praises the cast and director Rian Johnson, highlighting the collaborative and fun environment:
  • “No one ever goes back to a trailer... we’re in a tent playing backgammon or hanging out.” – Mila Kunis (15:09)
• Admits her detective character isn’t the most competent:
  • “I’m not even that good of a cop in this.” – Mila Kunis (15:41)

Game: “Snap Judgments”

• Mila and Chris Distefano play a game guessing truths and lies about each other:
  • Fun revelations: Chris did NOT wear eyeliner after seeing Brad Pitt; Mila’s first pet was NOT named Jason Priestley; Chuck Norris truly did teach young Mila how to punch and kick during a guest spot on "Walker, Texas Ranger" (21:54).

Notable Quotes

• “Because I love sardines and [Ashton] loves that I love sardines, he got me a custom made sardine box.” – Mila Kunis (13:55)
• “Chuck Norris taught me how to punch and kick.” – Mila Kunis (22:05)

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Guest: Zooey Deschanel – “Merv”

Timestamps: 23:10 - 32:37

Reunions and Holiday Decor

• Reminisces on filming a past music video with Jimmy and shooting multiple genres (Bobby Brown, Prince, Michael Jackson). (23:34)
• Talks about her extravagant home holiday decorations, all arranged by professionals from a company called Glitterville:
  • “They come in and just decorate our whole house. Takes like six days. It’s a lot.” – Zooey Deschanel (25:05)

“Elf” and “New Girl” Stories

• Reveals that her singing in Elf was written for her by Jon Favreau because she’s a singer, not a skateboarder! (26:10)
• Narrates how Prince became a fan of her show “New Girl,” requested to appear, and how she hosted him on set, discussing everything from pancakes to omelets with coconut oil. Her “superpower” is not being intimidated by anyone (27:25 - 29:07).
  • “Prince loves New Girl, watching it on tour with his band. Very invested in Nick and Jess.” – Zooey Deschanel (27:55)
  • “I’m like his host for the day. I hung out with Prince. We talked about pancakes, omelets... He made omelets with coconut oil.” – Zooey Deschanel (29:07)

Film “Merv”

• Describes “Merv” as a heartwarming romcom about exes co-parenting a dog who gets depressed after their breakup, with Christmas in the background (31:53).
  • “It’s got Christmasy elements, it’s got dog elements, and it has rom com elements.” – Zooey Deschanel (32:13)

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Guest: Sam Altman – CEO, OpenAI and ChatGPT

Timestamps: 33:19 - 41:28

Explaining ChatGPT

• Sam gives a “dad-friendly” description:
  • “It’s like an AI chatbot. You ask a question, it tells you.” – Sam Altman (34:07)
  • “You can use it instead of Google, for advice... it’s like a general purpose life advisor.” (34:48)
• Shares stories of users benefiting from AI suggestions for medical conditions (34:32).

AI, Parenting, and Everyday Use

• Candid about using ChatGPT for parenting advice:
  • “I cannot imagine having gone through figuring out how to raise a newborn without ChatGPT.” – Sam Altman (35:55)
• Admits to “paranoid parent moments” and how AI offers personalized reassurance (36:44).

AI’s Societal Impact

• Addresses equity:
  • “The richest, most powerful person in the world got the same piece of hardware that billions of other people got. AI is pushing in the same direction...” – Sam Altman (38:10)
• Cautions on rapid change:
  • “No other technology has ever been adopted by the world this fast... The rate at which jobs will change may be pretty fast.” (38:51)
• Optimistically foresees scientific breakthroughs:
  • “Next year, I hope we’ll start to see these models really make small but important new scientific discoveries. And in five years, I hope they’re curing diseases.” (41:08)

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Notable Quotes & Moments by Timestamp

• “If Warner Bros. was an edible arrangement, CNN is the cantaloupe.” – Chris Distefano (02:04)
• “No one ever goes back to a trailer... we’re in a tent playing backgammon or hanging out.” – Mila Kunis on the “Knives Out 3” set (15:09)
• “I cannot imagine having gone through figuring out how to raise a newborn without ChatGPT.” – Sam Altman (35:55)
• “Prince loves New Girl, watching it on tour with his band. Very invested in Nick and Jess.” – Zooey Deschanel (27:55)
• “Chuck Norris taught me how to punch and kick.” – Mila Kunis (22:05)

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Timestamps for Key Sections

• 01:08 – Monologue jokes (Trump, entertainment mergers)
• 02:43 – Real Housewives reenactment
• 05:44 – Weather correspondent comedy
• 08:48 – Mila Kunis interview (holidays, “Knives Out 3,” Snap Judgments game)
• 23:10 – Zooey Deschanel interview (decor, “Elf,” “New Girl”/Prince, “Merv”)
• 33:19 – Sam Altman interview (ChatGPT, AI, parenting stories, societal impact)
• 41:28 – Show close

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Summary

This episode blends pointed political satire with playful celebrity banter and relevant tech discussion. Monologue jokes lampoon Trump and streaming wars, while guest segments oscillate between lighthearted (Kunis’ sardine obsession, Deschanel’s Prince anecdotes) and substantive, particularly in Sam Altman’s candid assessment of AI’s promise and perils. The conversational tone is relaxed and organic, driven by genuine rapport and quick-witted humor, making the episode as informative as it is entertaining.

Transcript

[Jimmy Fallon]

From Studio 6B in Rockefeller center in the heart of New York City, it's the Tonight show starring Jimmy Fallon.

Tonight joins Jimmy and his guests, Mila Kunis, Roey Deschanel, Sam Altman. And featuring the legendary Roots 22, 27. And now here he is, Jimmy Fallon.

[Sam Altman]

Come on.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Oh, sound great. Thank you very much. Welcome, everybody. Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Tonight Show. You're here. You made it.

[Chris Distefano]

Welcome, everybody. Well, guys, last night President Trump became the first president to host the Kennedy center honors himself. Yeah, it was like the Golden Globes. If the host was also a Golden Globe. Orange is gold. You could tell it was Trump's award show because the red carpet was just one of his neckties.

I love watching the red carpet pre show. The. The press is like, Mr. President, Mr. President, what compression socks are you wearing?

Copper fit.

Trump said he rejected honorees who were too woke. Then he slept through all the acceptance speeches. He just, wake up, wake up. Speaking of Trump, he just announced that he's granted approval for tiny cars to be built in the United States. I have a feeling that if Trump got into a tiny car, he'd never be able to get out. I live here now.

Burger me.

A lot of people are talking about this. Netflix just shocked the entertainment industry by announcing an $83 billion deal to buy Warner Brothers and HBO. Yeah, Netflix is buying almost everything Warner Bros. Owns, except cnn. Basically, if Warner Bros. Was an edible arrangement, CNN is the cantaloupe.

Meanwhile, today, Paramount challenged Netflix and announced a $108 billion holiday hostile takeover bid for Warner Brothers. Yep, Netflix offered $83 billion, Paramount offered $108 billion, and Tubi offered 20 bucks, a pack of Slim Jims, and two scratch offs.

Well, some more entertainment news. Last night there was a new episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac, and it got really heated. There was a lot of drama between Stacey and Tia. Now, if you missed it, don't worry, because here to reenact that scene with actual lines from the show are the Roots, his own Tariq, and Questlove.

Thanks, Jimmy. Tonight, I'll be playing the role of Stacey, a QVC presenter who's being confronted by Tia about being a liar.

[Tia]

And I'll be playing Tia, a realtor who's confronting Stacey about being a liar.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay, whenever you're ready.

[Tia]

I'm going to tell you.

Why I'm upset with you. When. When I came into this group, I had heard things that you were, like, alleged against you, and I gave you.

[Chris Distefano]

The benefit of the doubt.

[Tia]

All the while, you're Courting me, saying you had to have my back with the ladies.

[Chris Distefano]

I never said that.

[Tia]

Oh, yes, you did.

[Chris Distefano]

No, no. You're a liar.

[Tia]

Why are you trying to hijack this conversation? Because you're trying to build.

[Chris Distefano]

No, no, no.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Go ahead.

[Questlove]

Well, no, no, no.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Go on.

[Sam Altman]

I will.

[Jimmy Fallon]

No, just go. I will if you just shut the up for one second. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You are not gonna tell me to shut up.

[Tia]

As I was saying before I was rudely interrupted.

[Chris Distefano]

No, no, no, no. You see, See, this is the real her.

[Tia]

She plays prim and proper.

[Chris Distefano]

But just like you said, I don't need to play.

[Tia]

I am prim and proper. I have extended my manners.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Oh, you mean you didn't extend any manners.

[Tia]

I didn't.

[Chris Distefano]

You acted so unladylike. You want to fit in so bad.

[Tia]

You are the person that has been in this group for a year and you still don't fit in.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Distefano]

You are a try hard just like your fashion.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Get your ass up out of my face. Get out. Get out. Not today you won't act unladylike. Take your things and be gone. Toodaloo. I've had enough. I'm done.

[Tia]

I have other things to do to.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Get out. Toodles. Toodles.

Wow. Might be the. Oh, my gosh.

And the Emmy goes to. Oh, my gosh. Quest, Love and Dream. That was.

[Chris Distefano]

Well, listen to this, guys. The Louvre just announced that hundreds of Egyptian books were damaged in a recent water leak. Yeah, the Egyptians were like, well, they would have been fine if you just left them here in the desert.

[Tia]

Right?

[Chris Distefano]

The Louvre. Right now, the director of the Louvre is like, I'm ready for 2025 to be over. Okay, well, guys, New York City is in the middle of a cold snap with temperatures dropping down into the teens. And here now to talk about it is our weather correspondent, Jerome Davis. Thanks for joining us, Jerome.

[Jerome Davis]

Hey, Jimmy, thanks for having me.

[Chris Distefano]

So tell us, how cold is it out there right now?

[Jerome Davis]

Jimmy, it is freezing right now. It feels like the city is one giant icebox. I mean, it's so cold right now, I'm going to go hug a toaster oven to defrost my nipples.

[Chris Distefano]

Sorry.

[Tia]

Sorry.

[Chris Distefano]

What'd you just say?

[Jerome Davis]

Oh, could you not hear me? I said, it's so cold right now, I'm gonna go to McDonald's for a toasty McGriddle.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Oh.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay. I. I thought you said something else. I. So, so. So how is everyone managing to stay warm?

[Jerome Davis]

Well, many people stay indoors, turn up the heat. But personally, I just hop buck naked in my neighbor's jacuzzi and wave to the ring cam.

[Chris Distefano]

I'm sorry.

Sorry. You do what I said.

[Jerome Davis]

I personally, I just wear a puffy jacket and scroll through the Instagram. Is there something wrong with the audio or.

[Chris Distefano]

Well, maybe not. I can't tell. It's important to keep a warm core to prevent hyperthermia. Are people wearing layers?

[Jerome Davis]

Oh, yes, definitely. People are wearing lots of layers, but I keep my core warm by slowly drizzling my chest with hot nacho cheese.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay, now I'm positive I just heard you say you keep your core warm by drizzling your chest with hot nacho cheese.

[Jerome Davis]

I most certainly did not say that. I said I drink hot toddies so my core doesn't freeze. What's going on with the connection?

[Chris Distefano]

Let's just wrap this up. By the way, are you cold right now? You're not even wearing a coat.

[Jerome Davis]

But what I am wearing is a kilt, and I'm standing over a subway grate like Marilyn Monroe.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Oh, boy.

[Chris Distefano]

Trains are coming.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Oh, baby time.

Get him. Get out of here. Get out. Get out of here. I'm going to stop having that guy on.

Bye. Take care.

[Chris Distefano]

Go.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Take care.

[Chris Distefano]

Take a. Hear that train.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Take a walk.

[Jerome Davis]

It's rolling.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Take care, buddy. Good to see you.

[Chris Distefano]

Take care, everybody.

[Jimmy Fallon]

All right, all right, all right.

[Chris Distefano]

Show's off the rails tonight. All right.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Get him out of here.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Altman]

Stick around.

[Jimmy Fallon]

We're talking to Mila Kunis when we come back, everybody.

Our first guest is a Golden globe.

[Chris Distefano]

Nominated actor who you can see in the new movie wake up dead Man, a Knives out night mystery. It's in select theaters now and on Netflix Friday. Everyone, please welcome Mila Kunis.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Welcome, welcome. Welcome back, Jimmy.

[Mila Kunis]

I just realized I wore the wrong dress for sitting. I really did. As I sat down, I was like, boy, this is really. This is way more comfortable in this dress. But I don't think that that's gonna be approved.

[Chris Distefano]

You could sit like that.

[Mila Kunis]

This is how I have to sit.

[Sam Altman]

For the whole day.

[Chris Distefano]

I'll just do it with you and act like that's.

[Mila Kunis]

Do I look we sitting like this, though?

[Chris Distefano]

No, this looks normal. It's perfect.

[Jimmy Fallon]

This is how I can sit.

[Chris Distefano]

This is perfect.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

No, you look. No, that looks perfect. That looks normal.

[Mila Kunis]

It feels like. Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

You look great.

[Mila Kunis]

Thank you.

[Chris Distefano]

How are you? How's the fam? How's everything going?

[Mila Kunis]

Everybody's really good.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

Yes.

[Chris Distefano]

Are you getting ready for the holidays?

[Mila Kunis]

Yeah, I love holidays. I'm ready for any holiday at any Moment.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, really?

[Mila Kunis]

Yeah. This is not a joke. But like, you know how there's a holiday every month?

[Chris Distefano]

Yes. And you're into all of them.

[Mila Kunis]

All of them. If there's a Hallmark card, I have a decoration.

[Chris Distefano]

Really?

[Mila Kunis]

Yes. Name it.

[Chris Distefano]

Does Ashton also decorate the same as you?

[Mila Kunis]

He married it. He has no kids.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

You know what I mean. Like, you pick your battles. Like, he, when we got together, his house was like sleek and modern and chic. And then he walked into my house and was like, tchotchke's everywhere.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

And he was like, right, so we're gonna have a clean, modern house. And I was like, we have blow ups everywhere, guys.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, yes, you do have blow up decorations everywhere.

[Sam Altman]

Really?

[Jimmy Fallon]

Everywhere.

[Chris Distefano]

You brought a photo of.

[Mila Kunis]

I know I brought it, but it really doesn't do the house justice. Like, I want you to know this is like one tenth of what is happening in the front yard.

[Chris Distefano]

This is. This is the size of you. What are you talking about?

[Mila Kunis]

But here's the thing. We are all inclusive, ok? So whatever. We have all the decorations.

[Chris Distefano]

Ok. You're the same size as that Drano.

[Mila Kunis]

That's nothing. I mean, nothing. I have like a 7, 8 foot Santa Claus. I have reindeer everywhere.

[Chris Distefano]

That's so fun.

[Mila Kunis]

I have Mickey Mouses. I have snow. I love holidays.

[Chris Distefano]

I love it. The kids love it too.

[Mila Kunis]

Yep.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

They don't have a choice.

[Chris Distefano]

Again, they don't have a choice.

[Mila Kunis]

I have two trees. I feel like it's a lot like I have a giant Christmas tree. And then I was like, oh, wait, no, I need a Hanukkah bush. And so I bought like a. Thanks. Thanks. I bought like a Charlie Brown Hanukkah Busch. It's like a little blue. It's really beautiful. Blue and silver little tree. But it's like this. And then my Christmas tree is like this.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, but the whole place is all just lit up.

[Mila Kunis]

All lit up.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. And how long have you guys been together now? 10 years.

[Mila Kunis]

10 years married.

[Chris Distefano]

10 years married, yeah. Now, do you guys get each other gifts?

[Mila Kunis]

Yes, well. Oh, you mean like anniversary gifts? Yes, yes, we do. But there's like limitations and budgets to it. And so because neither one of us is like big on gift giving, but also we can go overboard. It's like very extreme smart. So it's limited to. It has to be like $150 or less and it has to be homemade.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, I like this.

[Mila Kunis]

However, it can also be homemade by someone else. You know what I mean? It just has to be homemade. That's the loophole that I found earlier.

[Chris Distefano]

It's a good loophole.

[Sam Altman]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

I was like, I don't know how to make things out of metal, but someone on someone eventually does.

[Chris Distefano]

What was something recently? You got that? You remember?

[Mila Kunis]

Right. So recent one was tenure and it was tin tin.

[Chris Distefano]

That's right.

[Mila Kunis]

So I. Okay. So Ashton loves the Chicago Bears.

[Chris Distefano]

Yes.

[Mila Kunis]

Ok.

What a diverse audience.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, we allow like five of each distinct group to come in. Yeah. Bears fans.

[Mila Kunis]

That's so nice of you.

[Chris Distefano]

Thank you. Yeah. Representing different NFL teams.

[Mila Kunis]

That's so nice. So for.

The anniversary, I got him a homemade by somebody else on Etsy. So. Thank you. Etsy. A tin man from wizard of Oz made of like sardine cans and any like pecans or whatever of a little tin man. And it's all of Chicago Bears. It's really cute.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh my gosh. That's super cute.

[Mila Kunis]

It's really good. Do you want to know what he got me?

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

Ok. So this is either going to be a great gift, but I love it. I want this to be known. I say this as I was so happy with this gift.

[Chris Distefano]

All right, good.

[Mila Kunis]

I love sardines.

[Chris Distefano]

Me too.

I love sardines. I actually.

[Mila Kunis]

But I actually love sardines.

[Chris Distefano]

No, I really do too.

[Mila Kunis]

Listen, wait, we're gonna digress. There's a restaurant in LA that only serves sardines. I think I'm their number one customer.

[Chris Distefano]

I've never heard of that place.

[Mila Kunis]

It's called Salty Girl. It's so good. And their menu is just like sardines. So it's every can of sardines you can possibly imagine.

[Chris Distefano]

The sardines that I've been eating recently is. Cause my wife is into sardines. But there's a rubber band around the sardines. You know that?

[Mila Kunis]

Yes. The oil?

[Chris Distefano]

No, it's a paper. It's wrapped in paper, then a rubber band.

[Mila Kunis]

Is it in oil?

[Chris Distefano]

It's in oil, yes. You put them on a.

[Mila Kunis]

They're the best bread.

[Chris Distefano]

You put a cracker. It doesn't matter.

[Mila Kunis]

I love sardines.

[Chris Distefano]

Me too.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay, Jimmy, this is getting.

[Sam Altman]

We're bonding.

[Mila Kunis]

Listen, you're going to love.

[Jimmy Fallon]

This is fantastic. I love him.

[Mila Kunis]

I do too. Why?

[Chris Distefano]

Your skin looks so good. Probably.

[Mila Kunis]

It's all the omegas.

[Chris Distefano]

I get it's all the omegas from sardines.

[Mila Kunis]

So because I love sardines and he loves that I love sardines, he got me a custom made sardine box. It's just like a giant tin sardine box and on it's like, you know, like cuckoo sardines or something. It's really cute. And I loved it. I was like, I do love sardines.

[Chris Distefano]

Can you use the box or just for decoration?

[Mila Kunis]

I guess you can put, like, tchotchke thingies in it.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

Which I also love.

[Sam Altman]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

So it's a great gift. It's a really sweet gift.

[Chris Distefano]

You guys work out. You guys are a great couple. You guys are great together.

[Sam Altman]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

Thank you.

[Chris Distefano]

I wanna talk about your movie. Cause I absolutely loved it. I loved the Knives out movies. This one is fantastic. It's the third one in the series. Wake up, dead man. Knives Out. You got Rian Johnson. Oh, yeah. Clap.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Cause there's a murder.

That is a murder.

[Mila Kunis]

It's so good.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. Daniel Craig is so good. He's off the chain. Great. Everybody's great in this, by the way.

[Mila Kunis]

It's such a fun experience.

[Chris Distefano]

Josh o', Connor, Kerry Washington, Glenn Close. Yes. Everybody hits home runs.

[Mila Kunis]

The cast is so fun.

[Chris Distefano]

We've had a couple casts from the other Knives out on there.

[Mila Kunis]

We're better.

[Chris Distefano]

I mean, that's what I was gonna. I was gonna ask.

[Mila Kunis]

It's a competition.

[Chris Distefano]

No, it's not.

[Questlove]

But you're better.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, but they said it's a blast to do the movie.

[Mila Kunis]

It is a blast to do the movie.

[Chris Distefano]

The producers are fun. The writing is fun.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

We're all in one room. Like, there's trailers. You normally have trailers to go back to. No one ever goes back to a trailer. We're in a tent playing, like, backgammon or hanging out. It's really, like, a wonderful environment.

[Chris Distefano]

I love the movie because all these movies, I never have any idea where it's gonna go. There's another twist, another turn. It's so good. It pays off at. You play a police officer, do you think that you would be a good police officer with solving crimes?

No, no, no. This acting you do, you can do that.

[Mila Kunis]

I'm not even that good of a cop in this. You know what I mean? Like, I could do better. I'm okay. I'm fine. I do okay. Like, I try my hardest, but, you know, I let something slide.

[Jimmy Fallon]

I.

[Mila Kunis]

In real life.

I think I'd be fine.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

I think I would have too many feelings. Like, I would just. I would be like, no, I don't know. I know I would fail. I don't think I would get past the academy.

[Chris Distefano]

I thought maybe we could play a fun game here where it's called Snap Judgments.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay, well, that I can do. I'm really good at judging. Yeah, judging.

[Jimmy Fallon]

I can do judging.

[Chris Distefano]

You can do judging.

[Mila Kunis]

We do judging.

[Chris Distefano]

All right, here's what we're gonna do. So we have two cards, right? We're gonna have to instantly guess if the other person is lying or telling the truth. Okay. You just say true or false. Okay. I have these cards. These are statements that are either true or false about both of us. I have not read yours. I've only read mine. You have to immediately guess. Once you're done guessing both, we're gonna check and see if you're correct or not.

[Mila Kunis]

Ok. You didn't cheat.

[Chris Distefano]

Never.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

I just wanna make sure I never cheat. And I really wanna win.

[Mila Kunis]

Me, too.

[Sam Altman]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay.

[Mila Kunis]

Oh, wait, a clock. Or do I just say it right away?

[Chris Distefano]

Just trust system. Just say it right away.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay. Go.

[Chris Distefano]

We can't afford a clock.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay, great.

[Sam Altman]

Sorry.

[Chris Distefano]

My middle name is Allen.

[Mila Kunis]

James Allen. False.

[Chris Distefano]

After seeing Brad Pitt in eyeliner. I wore eyeliner.

[Mila Kunis]

True.

[Chris Distefano]

You didn't even think for a second on that one.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Hey.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Sorry.

[Chris Distefano]

In college, I majored in computer programming.

[Mila Kunis]

False. God, that's gonna be true, isn't it?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Wait.

[Chris Distefano]

I performed Stand up at Woodstock 99.

[Mila Kunis]

False.

[Zooey Deschanel]

True.

[Jimmy Fallon]

No.

[Mila Kunis]

False. No. True.

[Jimmy Fallon]

True. True.

[Mila Kunis]

True.

[Zooey Deschanel]

True. True.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay, I don't know.

What's the next one?

[Chris Distefano]

I think mayonnaise is disgusting.

[Mila Kunis]

True.

[Jimmy Fallon]

False.

[Mila Kunis]

I don't know.

[Chris Distefano]

Let's see how you did. You answered true, false for the last three of them. But my middle name is Allen. You guessed false. Cause that would be Jimmy Allen Fallon.

You are correct. That is not my middle name. It's Thomas.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

This is the one. This is the one that's gonna stick in my head after seeing Brad Pitt in eyeliner. I wore eyeliner. You immediately said true. That is false. I did not.

[Mila Kunis]

Can I explain? This is really funny because I was envisioning you doing a skit and I was like, yeah, I believe you. And in my brain I see you with eyeliner from a skit.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Okay, okay, okay, perfect.

[Mila Kunis]

I'm sorry.

[Chris Distefano]

In college, I majored in computer programming. That is true.

[Mila Kunis]

I knew it.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Mila Kunis]

I think I said one of them.

[Chris Distefano]

I loved it. Yeah. I performed Stand up at Woodstock. Where did you land on that?

[Mila Kunis]

False.

[Chris Distefano]

I did.

[Jimmy Fallon]

That isn't true.

[Mila Kunis]

Oh, I didn't mean to. Chris, I'm so sorry.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Didn't I say it's crossed out on.

[Chris Distefano]

The cue card thing because no one knew what you were saying?

[Mila Kunis]

No, no, no.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Go with the cue card.

[Chris Distefano]

I think mayonnaise is disgusting.

[Mila Kunis]

I said true to that.

You love mayo.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, no, I do not like mayo.

[Jimmy Fallon]

I think it's disgusting.

[Chris Distefano]

I hate mayonnaise.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Ew.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Ew.

[Chris Distefano]

Reminds me of pus.

[Mila Kunis]

I do.

[Chris Distefano]

Here we go, everybody. You want to play?

[Tia]

You want to play?

[Mila Kunis]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

Okay, here we go. So you got.

[Mila Kunis]

You do so well with such a straight face. Don't look at me when I ask you, though.

[Jimmy Fallon]

What?

[Mila Kunis]

Because I start laughing.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Changing the rules.

[Mila Kunis]

Well, I can't, because I start.

[Jimmy Fallon]

All right, all right.

[Tia]

Okay.

[Chris Distefano]

All right. So wait, so you got two Correct.

[Jimmy Fallon]

I got.

[Sam Altman]

Is that right?

[Mila Kunis]

I got one. Wrong.

[Chris Distefano]

True.

[Mila Kunis]

No. We're going by What? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Chris Distefano]

She can judge. No judge. She says two and a half.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay, okay. All right, here we go.

[Chris Distefano]

All right.

[Mila Kunis]

I did tequila shots with Helen Mirren in Milan.

[Chris Distefano]

True.

[Mila Kunis]

My first pet's name was Jason Priestley. I'll help you. My current pet's names are Bernadette Peters and Ricki Lake.

[Chris Distefano]

Uh, true.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay. Chuck Norris taught me how to punch.

[Chris Distefano]

Wow, that would be so cool. I'm gonna say true again.

[Mila Kunis]

Kristen Bell sang me Happy Birthday at Benihana's.

[Tia]

True.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay. I Once reached level 70 in world of Warcraft.

[Chris Distefano]

True. Wait, did I say everything was true?

Is any of them false?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yep.

[Chris Distefano]

Gosh darn it. Should I do it again?

[Mila Kunis]

Yeah. Yes.

[Chris Distefano]

All right, let me do it real quick, really fast.

[Mila Kunis]

I did tequila shots with Helen Mirren and Milan.

[Chris Distefano]

False.

[Mila Kunis]

My first pet's name was Jason Priestley.

[Sam Altman]

False.

[Mila Kunis]

Chuck Norris taught me how to punch.

[Sam Altman]

That's false.

[Chris Distefano]

No, no. I'm sorry.

[Sam Altman]

I'm sorry.

[Chris Distefano]

Sorry. I'll do it really fast again.

[Jimmy Fallon]

No, no, sorry.

[Chris Distefano]

Helen Mirren is false.

[Sam Altman]

Right. That's false.

[Mila Kunis]

Jason Priestley for my pet.

[Chris Distefano]

I think you're too young for Jason Priestley. False.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay. Chuck Norris taught me how to punch.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, I think you're cool. I think that's true.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay. K. Bell sang me Happy Birthday editing house.

[Chris Distefano]

She's fun. I think that's true.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay. I Once reached level 70 in world of Warcraft.

[Chris Distefano]

I feel like you might have a nerdy side, so I'm gonna say that's true.

[Mila Kunis]

Okay, okay.

[Sam Altman]

All right.

[Chris Distefano]

First one. All right, so first one, I guess. False. You did tequila shots with Helen Mirren in Milan. False.

[Mila Kunis]

It is false.

It was false.

[Chris Distefano]

Your first pet's name was Jason Priestley. I said false. It's true.

[Sam Altman]

It's false.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Yes.

[Mila Kunis]

It is false.

[Chris Distefano]

Here's where it might go off the rails. Chuck Norris taught me how to punch. I just. I just want that to be true.

[Mila Kunis]

It's true.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Okay, where, where, where?

[Mila Kunis]

I think I was 9 or 10 years old and I did Walker, Texas Ranger. Like, I was a guest star on it.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, my God.

[Mila Kunis]

And he was like, we were in the middle of a scene and it was a break. And he was like, you want me to teach? And I was like, okay. So he taught me how to punch and kick. And so I can always say Chuck Norris taught me how to punch and kick.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Oh, my gosh.

[Chris Distefano]

That's a great story.

[Jimmy Fallon]

All right.

[Chris Distefano]

Kristen Bell sang you Happy Birthday at Benihana.

[Mila Kunis]

That is not true. Nope. Sorry. Okay, sorry.

[Chris Distefano]

It's a good one. You Once reached level 70 in world of Warcraft. I said that was true.

[Mila Kunis]

That is sadly true.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Yes. I did really well. Did he?

[Mila Kunis]

Yes. Yes.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Four to two and a half. I'm the reigning champ. Yay, me. Oh, yeah. Mila Kunis, everyone. Wake up, dead man. A knives out mystery is in select theaters now and on Netflix Friday. We'll be right back with more Tonight Show. Everybody come on up.

[Questlove]

It's the man you better know what love Whether you disagree like I'm the first queen. I'm not the average savage the cursed queen cuz I'm from his first train.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Our next guest is an Emmy and.

[Chris Distefano]

Grammy nominated performer who stars in the new film Merv which begins streaming this Wednesday on Prime Video. Please welcome Zooey Deschanel.

[Jimmy Fallon]

I'm so happy you're here. I'm so happy to be here, Zoe.

[Chris Distefano]

We go way back, by the way.

[Zooey Deschanel]

I know.

[Chris Distefano]

We did a music video for one.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Of my songs, your song, which is so good.

[Chris Distefano]

It would Idiot boyfriend.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Everybody knows it.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, of course. Don't sing it all at once. Don't sing it all at once.

[Zooey Deschanel]

But if you wanted to.

[Chris Distefano]

But if they wanted to. We'll do it after the show.

[Zooey Deschanel]

You know it.

[Chris Distefano]

I had so much fun hanging out with you and so fun.

[Zooey Deschanel]

I love that.

[Chris Distefano]

Was it a long shoot? I cut it.

[Zooey Deschanel]

It was like several days, I think.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Zooey Deschanel]

It was like a long shoot.

[Chris Distefano]

But we did like different.

[Zooey Deschanel]

When they had budgets for video.

[Chris Distefano]

Yes. And we did different genres, like Bobby Brown.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yeah. Prince. Prince. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Who else did we do? You were a disco.

[Zooey Deschanel]

It was like an off the wall kind of.

[Chris Distefano]

There was a Michael Jackson off the wall. Yeah. When I was floating in space in that silver outfit.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yeah, yeah. That was really good.

[Chris Distefano]

My God. You were the best to work with. No, stop, stop, stop.

[Jimmy Fallon]

You were the coolest.

[Chris Distefano]

We were just talking to Mila about decorations and decorating the house for the holidays and you must Be so into decorating the house. But I mean, I love it.

[Zooey Deschanel]

I love decorating. I mean, I don't do it, but I love seeing it.

[Chris Distefano]

When it's fiance is Jonathan. Scott is one of the property brothers.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

So I think it must be difficult to decorate when he's.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Well, it is because I don't do it.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, yes.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Oh, I just. Behold the.

[Jerome Davis]

What happens?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Well, we have these guys from a place called Glitterville.

[Chris Distefano]

You're joking.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Come in. No, I'm not joking.

[Chris Distefano]

Are they real?

[Zooey Deschanel]

They're real.

[Chris Distefano]

Ok, good. Ok. I just want to make sure.

[Zooey Deschanel]

And they come in and just decorate our whole house. It takes like six days. It's a lot.

[Chris Distefano]

You brought me one of the trees?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

I feel like you have multiple trees.

[Zooey Deschanel]

We do. That's a champagne tree.

[Chris Distefano]

Wait till you see this tree. It will knock you out. Look at this. Holy moly. That is a fun tree.

[Zooey Deschanel]

You see the champagne bottle?

[Chris Distefano]

Yes. It's fantastic.

[Zooey Deschanel]

It's kind of like a New Year's Eve hybrid.

[Chris Distefano]

But I feel like I want you to have this type of decoration in this tree. You deserve this. I mean, thank you.

[Zooey Deschanel]

I do.

[Chris Distefano]

You're in one of the greatest. You're in one of the greatest Christmas movies of all time.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Thank you.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Elf.

[Questlove]

Come on.

[Jimmy Fallon]

You dessert.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Thank you. It's what I deserve.

[Chris Distefano]

I mean, here's you and Will Ferrell and Elf and Gosh, the two more likable human beings on earth.

When you were singing Baby, It's Cold Outside. I love your voice, by the way, but was that in the script? So I've heard different stories.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yeah, there was singing in the script. But then I remember Jon Favreau, who directed the film, told me he was gonna. He was going to tailor the script to whomever played Jovi. So the example he used, which I thought was kind of weird but cool, he was like, if you were a good skateboarder, we'd make Joey a skateboarder. And I was like, I want to see that.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah, that doesn't fit. How would that fit in the movie at all? Thank goodness I'm a singer. Yeah.

[Zooey Deschanel]

He's like, you're a good singer. So we made it singing.

[Chris Distefano]

Were you doing she and him at the time?

[Zooey Deschanel]

I wasn't doing she and him yet, but I had like a cabaret act. I did, like, jazz standards and stuff.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. It works so perfect. And oh, my gosh, your voice is amazing.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Thank you.

[Chris Distefano]

You're so talented. And I always wanted to ask you about this story because I loved you on New Girl as well. And.

You have to explain what? When Prince was on New Girl.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Uh huh. What do you want me to explain about it?

[Chris Distefano]

How did it happen? And who called who and how does Prince end up on the show? How did it all go down?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Great question.

[Chris Distefano]

Thank you.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Okay, so I get an email, like out of the blue one day.

[Tia]

Yep.

[Zooey Deschanel]

From an unknown email. And it's like, hello, I'm manager to legendary artist Prince. And I was like, this is a joke for sure. Who got my email? Who's pranking me? And so I sent the email along to my agent. I'm like, this can't be legit. But just like check. Because if it were Prince, I'd be stoked. Of course.

And then he took a few days and he got back to me. He's like, this is legit. And I mean, the body of the letter was like Prince Love's New girl watching it on tour with his band. Very invested in Nick and Jess.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh my gosh.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Wants to come on.

[Chris Distefano]

He's the best. He's the best.

[Zooey Deschanel]

And then, so when he came, not only did I then get to do a like a release a single with him, which was a complete surprise to me, it was a scratch vocal I did for like, as a pre record for the set. And like Prince disappeared for like six hours and then came back and he's like, I mixed it into a single. Okay. And then not only that, but I was the one who got assigned. I have like a weird superpower where I'm not like, afraid to talk to anyone. It's not that I'm not intimidated by people, but I can just talk like endlessly. So they were like, you have to go hang out with Prince. And I was like, yes, trust me, I will. So I went and I like, I hung out with Prince. Like, I was like his like, host for the day. I like.

[Chris Distefano]

What'd you talk to him about?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Everything. Like pancakes.

[Chris Distefano]

Zoe, you were unbelievable. You are not being serious. You talked to Prince about pancakes?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Omelets? Yeah, everything. Omelets, Everything.

[Chris Distefano]

What do you mean omelets?

[Zooey Deschanel]

I'll tell you. He made omelets with coconut oil. That's all I know.

That I never tried Princeton. Did you know that he liked coconut oil?

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Zooey Deschanel]

You knew? You knew about.

[Chris Distefano]

I did not know about that.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Coconut oil and the omelet.

[Chris Distefano]

I did not know about coconut oil.

[Zooey Deschanel]

The pancakes. Yeah. And then once he had a guitar, like he could just play like anything. And he started playing the Tighten up by Archie Bell and the drills and I go, that's the Tighten Up.

[Sam Altman]

Oh.

[Zooey Deschanel]

He goes, what's that? And I go, archie Bell and the drills.

[Chris Distefano]

You would know.

[Zooey Deschanel]

And I knew. And I was, like, just stoked. I knew his reference, and then I was kind of good with him for the rest of the time.

[Chris Distefano]

Well, you know your music, though. I remember that about you.

[Zooey Deschanel]

I think I do.

[Chris Distefano]

Oh, my gosh.

[Zooey Deschanel]

I know some stuff. Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Gosh, who did you get me into? I'll never forget it. Every time I hear that, I think of you.

[Zooey Deschanel]

It's not the birds.

[Chris Distefano]

Not the birds. Yes, it was the birds.

[Zooey Deschanel]

The birds. Oh, wait.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Sweetheart at the rodeo.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Oh, sweeter than.

[Mila Kunis]

That's the best.

[Chris Distefano]

I didn't know it was the best until you introduced me to it.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yes, that's the one that Graham Parsons.

[Chris Distefano]

Graham Parsons is exactly right.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Graham Parsons was my dad's roommate.

In the 60s in Greenwich Village.

[Mila Kunis]

What?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yeah. They had to share an actual room. They had, like, a piece of tape down the middle.

[Chris Distefano]

No way.

[Zooey Deschanel]

But my dad said Graham Parsons was, like, really from a rich family, so he had, like, really nice furniture.

[Chris Distefano]

What was on your dad's side?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Like, like, sleeping bag, you know, 60s version of IKEA.

[Chris Distefano]

And how is his experience once he left? Did you ever stay in contact?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yes, but he's. He. He cultivated mystique. You know what I mean?

[Chris Distefano]

He did.

[Zooey Deschanel]

He showed up at our wrap party, which was really funny, and I was like, you know, like, rap party. You go, like, early and. Well, a lot of times I, like, leave kind of early. Anyway, I left and like, two hours later, I get a call, and they're like, prince is here.

[Chris Distefano]

So you had to go back?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Well, I was already in my pajamas, and I was like, shoot. And so they put me on the phone, you know, with Prince, and I was like, sorry, Prince. Anyway, yeah, he passed away, like, not that long after, you know?

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Zooey Deschanel]

But I totally would have, like, hung with him and everything.

[Chris Distefano]

Yes, I know. He's the greatest.

[Zooey Deschanel]

He would have gone to Minnesota.

[Jimmy Fallon]

We love you, Prince. We love you, bud.

[Chris Distefano]

Thank you for telling that story. Of course.

Let's talk about. This is the cutest. Let's talk about Merv. Oh, my gosh. Can we describe. I know. It's so cute. Look at Merv now. By the way, how do we explain what Merv is about?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Okay, so it's fairly easy to explain.

[Chris Distefano]

Yep.

[Zooey Deschanel]

It's a story of a couple that's broken up, but they share custody of a dog, which happens to a lot of people.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Yeah.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Cause dogs are our family, too. And the dog becomes depressed because they're broken up. And they have to take the dog on vacation together.

[Chris Distefano]

It's so cute.

[Zooey Deschanel]

So it's really cute. And it takes place at Christmas, so it's not like, it's like, not a hard Christmas movie like Elf, where it's like they're going hard at the Christmas. It's like a soft Christmas movie, like a love actually or something like that where there's like Christmas in the background kind of. So it's got Christmasy elements, it's got dog elements, and it has rom com elements.

[Chris Distefano]

So come on, what more do you want?

[Jimmy Fallon]

I love it. I love Merv Zooey Deschanel. Merv begins streaming this Wednesday on Prime Video for tonight show after the break. Stick around, everybody.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Now making.

[Jimmy Fallon]

It'S called the tighter. It's time to run now. It's called the Tighter. Go and do it.

[Chris Distefano]

Our next guest is an entrepreneur, investor and technology executive best known as the CEO and co founder of OpenAI, the artificial intelligence research company behind ChatGPT. Please welcome Sam Altman.

Thank you so much for coming on. Thanks for having me, Sam. You've been considered one of the leading figures in AI, co founded OpenAI, which led to ChatGPT, which is celebrating three years now. ChatGPT.

When all this is happening. First off, what is ChatGPT?

Can we just do that for anyone? My dad's probably watching.

[Sam Altman]

It's like an AI chatbot. You ask a question, it tells you.

[Chris Distefano]

What to do and it tells you what to do. And so it's like Google search, but you've made it into more of a thing that you can have a conversation with.

[Sam Altman]

Yeah. You know, it's gotten like much smarter over the last three years. So it used to not do very much and maybe used to only do Google search and now it can. Like, I really do a lot of stuff people are asking it for. Like healthcare advice, how to learn stuff.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. Tell me, what are the pros? What are the pros of ChatGPT?

[Sam Altman]

The number of people that reach out to us and are like, I had this crazy health condition. I couldn't figure out what was going on. I just put my symptoms into ChatGPT and it told me what test asked the doctor for and I got it. Now I'm cured. Like, that's great. That happens a lot.

[Chris Distefano]

Wow.

[Sam Altman]

You can definitely learn anything.

[Chris Distefano]

Anything.

[Sam Altman]

Pretty much. I haven't found anything I can't learn. You can do your work way faster. You can use it instead of Google, you can use it for advice about your life. People talk about all the people in their life. And trying to figure out what to do. The idea is it's like a general purpose sort of life advisor.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. And I know that you and your husband just had a baby. Congratulations. Yeah. How old?

[Questlove]

Thank you.

[Chris Distefano]

How old is he?

[Sam Altman]

Eight months.

[Chris Distefano]

Eight months old?

[Zooey Deschanel]

Yeah.

[Chris Distefano]

Are you loving him so much.

[Sam Altman]

It's the greatest thing. I have no non cliche thing to say, but it is by far so much better than anything anyone tells you. I am just so incredibly happy.

[Chris Distefano]

Is he into trucks?

[Sam Altman]

Yeah, he loves trucks. We have to like spend a lot of time watching the garbage truck and play him around. He does love trucks.

[Chris Distefano]

He loves garbage trucks too.

[Sam Altman]

Cars, anything. We watched like F1 season finale this week and it was the first time he got to watch tv and he was like, really?

[Jimmy Fallon]

Really?

[Sam Altman]

Yeah. He's thrilled.

[Chris Distefano]

And do you use ChatGPT when raising your baby?

[Sam Altman]

I do. I mean, I feel kind of bad about it because we have this like, like genius level at everything intelligence sitting there, like waiting to unravel the mysteries of humanity. And I'm like, why does my kid stop dropping his pizza on the floor and laughing?

So I feel like I'm not asking a good enough question, but it is. I don't. I cannot imagine having gone through like figuring out how to raise a newborn without chatgpt. Clearly, people did it for a long time. No problem.

[Chris Distefano]

Yes.

[Sam Altman]

But.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah.

[Sam Altman]

So I know it clearly was possible.

[Chris Distefano]

Yes, it was possible, but I have.

[Sam Altman]

Relied on it so much. I mean, it's obviously like the most important thing to happen in my life. So it's top of mind and I use it all the time. But like, I was a couple of months ago, I was at a party, I was talking to this guy and you know, we had kids about the same age that we were talking about that. And you know, he was like, oh, you know, what's your kid doing? Normal conversation. And he's like, yeah, these, you know, six months old, once they start crawling, it's everywhere. They go everywhere. And I was like, my six month old can't crawl yet. And he was like, you sure? Like, you know, maybe he's like, you sure about that? You think he's okay?

[Chris Distefano]

And I was like, my kid.

[Sam Altman]

I was like, well, I think he's like about to start. I'm sure he's doing fine. And by the way, I bet my kid can do a lot of things yours can't, so it's all right. But then I like ran to the bathroom and I was like, do I need to take my kid to like the doctor tomorrow?

[Chris Distefano]

Morning. Is this okay? Should every kid be able to walk in six miles?

[Sam Altman]

Yeah, yeah, Crawl, crawl. And I mean yours can't.

[Chris Distefano]

No, no, yours. Yeah, I'm walking. Yeah, but mine was on Dancing with the Stars at seven months. There we go, semifinalist. No big deal.

[Sam Altman]

But it was a really, I got this like great answer back which was like, of course it's normal. Of course you don't need to go to the doctor. You know, parents do all these sorts of things. And by the way, and it's personalized, like ChatGPT gets to know you and you know, by the way, you're the CEO of OpenAI. You probably are around like all these high achieving people. Maybe you don't want to like project that onto your kid and you should just like relax and he'll be fine and, you know, whatever. And I was, oh, okay.

[Chris Distefano]

I've seen you in a couple of interviews too where you, where you were saying people were asking you about ChatGPT and you're like, well, it's kind of interesting because rich people have these great, amazing doctors and lawyers and business managers, you know, whereas people that don't make enough as much money as these people, they don't get those opportunities. And what ChatGPT does, they have the same. You can get the same answer. You're just typing in these questions, you'll get the best.

[Sam Altman]

No, I think this is a cool thing about technology. I think there's, there's many downsides to technology, but there's a lot of upsides. And one of the big upsides is.

It is a sort of equalizing force in many ways. I remember people used to say this when the iPhone came out. The richest, most powerful person in the world got the same piece of hardware that billions of other people got. And I think AI is pushing in the same direction. And it'll take some work to ensure it goes in this way, but it should be a good force for society.

[Chris Distefano]

So what about ChatGPT now? What is the cons? What are we worried about? What are the things that people don't like about it?

[Sam Altman]

I mean, a long list of things, but one of the things that I'm worried about is just the rate of change that's happening in the world right now.

This is a three year old technology. No other technology has ever been adopted by the world this fast. It is a truly general purpose thing. The same thing that can figure out how to go cure a bunch of diseases can be used in a bunch of negative ways. The rate at which jobs will change over May be pretty fast. I have no doubt that we'll figure out all new jobs to do and sort of, I hope, much better jobs. But the speed with which this is happening is this just sort of like barrels through society and making sure that we introduce this to the world in a responsible way where people have time to adapt, to give input, to figure out how to do this. You could imagine that us getting that wrong.

[Chris Distefano]

Yeah. And are people on it?

[Sam Altman]

Yeah. Like, again, this has gone really well so far better than I would have thought. If you look at the trajectory of the last three years, we have integrated this into our lives, into society. People use it in all sorts of really great ways. And we've been able to get, so far, a lot of the benefits. And I think we've done a good, thoughtful job as a society of mitigating the downsides, but we're still feeling our way through this. And I'm sure as the intelligence keeps ramping, there'll be a lot more to come.

[Chris Distefano]

And when do you think, like, it's all going to be, like, perfected?

[Sam Altman]

I hope never. I hope just. We have a relentless. We, as the human species, we have this relentless drive to improve and make things better and to want more and to do more and to create more. And I hope that keeps going forever. But. But if you just look at how far it's come, even this year, in 2025, we started this year with these models that could do a little bit of math by the end of the year. We're doing better math than our best mathematicians at our most difficult competitions.

[Chris Distefano]

Where's all the information coming from?

[Sam Altman]

Well, at this point, it generates a lot of its own information. If you think about when you solve a new problem or write something funny, you draw upon your past experiences, you think really hard, you write something down, maybe you see how it goes, you see how someone responds, you see if it works, and then you build on top of that and on top of that and on top of that. So we're at the point now where the models can think harder and come up with new information.

[Questlove]

Wow.

[Chris Distefano]

And what's the biggest thing you see happening out of ChatGPT in the next five years?

[Sam Altman]

Five years is a long time. In five years, I think a lot. Next year, I hope we'll start to see these models really make small but important new scientific discoveries. And in five years, I hope they're curing diseases.

[Chris Distefano]

Thank you so much for coming on and talking about this stuff. I appreciate this. And please, thanks for having me hug that little baby I'll do that.

[Jimmy Fallon]

Sam Altman, everybody. We'll be right back with more Tonight Show. Stick around.

[Questlove]

The man in hand to rule the school to reach and teach the blind to find that wait from ages. I want to see him up on the air. Can you dig it?

[Sam Altman]

Yeah.

[Questlove]

Let's sing the song.

[Jimmy Fallon]

My thanks to Mila Tunis, Zoe Deschanel, Sam Altman.

And the Roots right there from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Good night, everybody.

[Questlove]

Get involved.

[Jimmy Fallon]

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[Chris Distefano]

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