187. Wade Lightheart & Matt Gallant: Enzyme Fasting, Magnesium Science, NAD & Brain Training

Summary

Podcast Summary: Episode 187. Wade Lightheart & Matt Gallant: Enzyme Fasting, Magnesium Science, NAD & Brain Training

Introduction and Background

In this episode of The Ultimate Human podcast, host Gary Brecka engages in a profound discussion with Wade Leithard and Matt Gallant from Bio Optimizers. The conversation delves deep into the realms of enzyme fasting, magnesium supplementation, NAD therapy, and advanced brain training techniques. Drawing from their extensive experience in biohacking and longevity, the guests share transformative insights aimed at optimizing human health and performance.

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1. The Origins of Bio Optimizers

Gary begins by exploring the genesis of Bio Optimizers, highlighting the unique partnership between Wade and Matt. They recount their initial meeting in the bodybuilding world, which eventually led them to pivot from a focus on aesthetics to holistic health optimization.

Gary Brecka [04:03]: "What brought you to Bio Optimizers? What kind of road led you to where you are right now?"

Matt Gallant [04:19]: "We saw Wade in a bodybuilding competition, and his discipline inspired me to join forces. Together, we created an info product called Freaky Big Naturally, which marked the beginning of our journey."

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2. The Role of Enzymes in Health

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the critical role enzymes play in maintaining overall health. Matt and Wade emphasize that enzymes are not just for digestion but are fundamental to numerous bodily functions, including protein synthesis and reducing inflammation.

Matt Gallant [14:26]: "When we started taking his enzymes, we noticed remarkable improvements in our energy and cognitive clarity."

Wade Leithard [23:46]: "Massive enzymatic production is diverted to digestion, leaving only a fraction for other essential functions. By supplementing with exogenous enzymes, we can optimize these processes."

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3. Magnesium Science and Deficiency

Magnesium deficiency is another key topic discussed. Matt shares their journey in developing a comprehensive magnesium supplement that includes all seven bioavailable forms, addressing common deficiencies and improving various physiological aspects such as stress regulation and sleep quality.

Matt Gallant [29:04]: "Magnesium is the best mineral to regulate your nervous system. Stress depletes magnesium, creating a vicious cycle of increasing stress levels."

Matt Gallant [32:23]: "Our magnesium breakthrough supplement demonstrates 350% higher serum magnesium levels compared to glycinate, showcasing superior absorption."

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4. Gut Health and Probiotics

The conversation moves to the importance of gut health and the role of probiotics in maintaining a balanced microbiome. Matt and Wade discuss their proprietary probiotic formulations designed to combat harmful bacteria and promote a healthy gut lining, thereby reducing systemic inflammation and improving mental health.

Matt Gallant [37:13]: "Our probiotics can kill E. coli in less than 60 minutes, as demonstrated in our lab tests."

Wade Leithard [38:19]: "High zonulin levels indicate leaky gut. Our probiotic blend reduces zonulin by over 90%, sealing the gut and mitigating systemic inflammation."

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5. Fasting and Enzymes

Fasting is explored as a powerful tool for health optimization, especially when combined with high doses of enzymes. The guests present compelling research showing that enzyme supplementation during fasting can accelerate healing, reduce recovery time from injuries, and enhance autophagy.

Matt Gallant [15:19]: "Research shows that enzyme supplementation during fasting can cut recovery time from injuries by over 50%."

Wade Leithard [16:42]: "Enzymes administered on an empty stomach become systemic enzymes, aiding in overall physiological functions beyond digestion."

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6. Upcoming Innovations and Products

Bio Optimizers is continually expanding its product line. The guests tease upcoming supplements like advanced magnesium formulations, comprehensive electrolyte blends, and specialized mushroom complexes designed to support cognitive and physical health.

Matt Gallant [86:25]: "We're developing an electrolyte breakthrough with 74 minerals, ensuring optimal cellular hydration and efficacy."

Wade Leithard [87:49]: "Our new mushroom breakthrough includes high concentrations of cordyceps, lion's mane, and reishi, supporting energy, cognition, and overall well-being."

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7. The 10-Day Metamorphosis Program

One of the most exciting topics is Bio Optimizers' new 10-day Metamorphosis experience. This intensive program combines NAD therapy, neurofeedback, hyperbaric treatments, and personalized supplementation to transform participants' cognitive and physical capabilities.

Matt Gallant [58:18]: "Metamorphosis is the pinnacle of brain optimization, where participants undergo five days of preparation followed by five days of hardcore neurofeedback and recovery protocols."

Gary Brecka [63:04]: "This program sounds revolutionary. How can our listeners participate?"

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8. Integrating Advanced Brain Training

Wade and Matt share their approaches to advanced brain training, including neurofeedback techniques aimed at optimizing brainwave patterns. They discuss the impact of different brainwave frequencies on mental states and how their programs help in achieving states like flow, heightened awareness, and enhanced resilience.

Matt Gallant [74:12]: "By resetting the default mode network, participants experience higher executive functioning and greater emotional intelligence."

Wade Leithard [82:04]: "Our neurofeedback training not only optimizes brainwaves but also enhances participants' ability to handle modern stressors and information overload."

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9. Conclusions and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with a reflection on the interconnectedness of physical and mental health. The guests reiterate the importance of starting with gut health and enzyme optimization as foundational steps towards achieving the ultimate human potential. They encourage listeners to adopt a holistic approach, combining cutting-edge supplements with lifestyle practices for maximum benefit.

Wade Leithard [84:22]: "Understanding and optimizing your gut and enzymatic functions are the first steps towards becoming the ultimate human."

Matt Gallant [86:44]: "Our mission is to help individuals extend their prime years, maintain purpose, and achieve superhuman health and performance."

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Notable Quotes:

• Gary Brecka [00:00]: "Energy can neither be created or destroyed. So I cannot create this energy inside me. So I must be drawing upon something."

• Wade Leithard [00:37]: "The pill doesn't cure you, it just mitigates a consequence, and then you're on the circus of the next pill."

• Matt Gallant [14:26]: "When we started taking his enzymes, we noticed remarkable improvements in our energy and cognitive clarity."

• Matt Gallant [29:04]: "Magnesium is the best mineral to regulate your nervous system. Stress depletes magnesium, creating a vicious cycle of increasing stress levels."

• Wade Leithard [38:19]: "High zonulin levels indicate leaky gut. Our probiotic blend reduces zonulin by over 90%, sealing the gut and mitigating systemic inflammation."

• Matt Gallant [58:18]: "Metamorphosis is the pinnacle of brain optimization, where participants undergo five days of preparation followed by five days of hardcore neurofeedback and recovery protocols."

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Final Remarks

This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of advanced health optimization strategies, emphasizing the critical roles of enzymes, magnesium, and gut health. Wade and Matt's insights provide listeners with actionable knowledge to enhance their well-being and achieve longevity. Whether you're a biohacking enthusiast or someone seeking to improve their health, this conversation serves as a valuable resource for unlocking your ultimate human potential.

For more information on Gary Brecka, visit https://link.me/garybrecka.

Transcript

[Gary Brecker]

It just hit me like the laws of thermodynamics. Energy can neither be created or destroyed. So I cannot create this energy inside me. So I must be drawing upon something.

[Matt Gallant]

That's where the supplement comes in. We're feeding the body a lot of raw materials.

[Gary Brecker]

The majority of what we face as human beings is not pathology or disease per se. It's a lot of it is nutrient deficiencies.

[Matt Gallant]

The first symptom is people are stressed out. And when you're stressed, you actually leach more magnesium. Magnesium is really the best mineral to regulate your nervous system.

[Gary Brecker]

I am an enormous believer in the fact that the body's ability to heal itself.

[Wade Leithard]

You've got massive use of medications, over the counter stuff. None of that stuff works. That's something that the general public hasn't grasped. That the pill doesn't cure you, it just mitigates a consequence, and then you're on the circus of the next pill. The next pill, the next pill.

[Matt Gallant]

I think one of the biggest things people realize, holy shit, how much time am I spending thinking about food, preparing food, eating food, cleaning the food?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah. As I say, don't worry about all the bad things that you're doing. Just keep adding good stuff and eventually the bad things will fall away.

[Gary Brecker]

For someone that's just starting on their supplement journey but doesn't know really where to get off the ground, where does the average person start?

[Wade Leithard]

I would say ritualize it, make it easy.

[Matt Gallant]

I mean, you can start if you want to really be, like, on the more conservative side, start with a.

[Gary Brecker]

Ultimate human. Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecker, where we go down the road of everything, anti aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today I'm super, super excited because we are going to wander around the human body on everything, supplementation, gut, brain access, and everything that we can do to supplement from the outside to help us fix what's going on in the inside. And I have two very special guests, Wade Leithard and Matt Gallant from Bio Optimizers. Bio Optimizers. Or let's settle this one right now, because I have this debate with my team all the time. Is it bio optimizers. Optimizers.

[Wade Leithard]

Is it potato or is it potato?

[Gary Brecker]

Does it really matter? Right.

[Wade Leithard]

Doesn't really matter.

[Matt Gallant]

Okay. We actually bought the domain name with the two O's just in case people type that in.

[Gary Brecker]

Well, because the. Because the O gets so big, it's like Bio Optimizer. So I figure that was intentional.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, you know, we also worked around. I wanted to do a big O with a little O in it and all these sort of things. And then that got. That got mixed a long time ago. So.

[Gary Brecker]

All right, let's go a little hydrogen, a hydrogen gas into our waters. So you. You have. Have a career. Oh, you're. That's a hydrogen bomb. Well, he's getting serious.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, you know, I've been. I'm a hydra.

[Gary Brecker]

Wants to step it up.

[Wade Leithard]

Patrick. Patrick Flanagan. Flanagan, one of the original guys that wrote. Wrote a whole chapter in one of my books and did the forward in a book I wrote years ago. And so that's why I got turned onto this, like, 20 years ago.

[Gary Brecker]

Really?

[Wade Leithard]

Even Patrick was into this, like, 40 years ago.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow. That's way ahead of his time.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, he was. Interesting character.

[Gary Brecker]

So tell me, how. How did you two come together? I mean, what. What was the genesis of bio optimizers? As you know, I'm a huge fan of your sleep and magnesium formula, and I, you know, I don't want to turn this whole podcast into a commercial for supplements, but I want to talk about your, you know, your. Your backgrounds. What brought you to buy optimizers? You know, what, what I find to be a common theme in a lot of my guests is that some of the most impactful people in the world, some of the most driven, passionate, impactful people have solved the problem in their life. Maybe it was drug or alcohol addiction, and now they're really just a passionate advocate for that. Or they had Lyme disease and they became a citizen scientist and they figured it out, and now they're an advocate for, you know, Lyme detox. And so what. What kind of road led you to where you are right now with bio optimizers?

[Matt Gallant]

Well, kick us off with how we met the first time. I only competed once in bodybuilding, and I saw Wade as he stepped on the scale at the weigh in and he flexed his lats. I'm like, holy shit, who is this guy? And then he won that show. I was in the juniors.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, really? Right on.

[Matt Gallant]

We didn't.

[Wade Leithard]

1997.

[Matt Gallant]

So we have a.

[Wade Leithard]

We have a funny thing is, like, back in 97.

[Gary Brecker]

Back in 90.

[Wade Leithard]

Like a kind of a little metaphor, like Al Bundy.

[Gary Brecker]

He would always talk about his high school days, football, you know, with Peg.

[Matt Gallant]

So that was the first time I saw Wade. But then I was a personal trainer where his mom used to work out, and Wade came back to visit his family, and we just struck up a friendship. He was living the life that I wanted to live. He was in Vancouver, I was in New Brunswick and I was gonna moved to Vancouver. And Wade's like, hey man, come on over. And struck up a friendship. Wade was winning National Natural Bodybuilding Championships as a vegetarian 20 years ago, which is mind blowing.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Natural and vegetarian.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

So. And I was building stuff online and I'm like, wade, I think you're. What you're doing is unusual enough that we can package this and sell it. So we created a product called Freaky Big Naturally.

[Gary Brecker]

Freaky Big Naturally?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah. That was the genesis of our company.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

It was an influence.

[Gary Brecker]

Sounds like a really terrible rap song. Yeah, well, could, could vary. All right, let's leave that one alone.

[Matt Gallant]

Something left over at the nitty party or something.

[Wade Leithard]

So.

[Gary Brecker]

So you create this, this supplement, Freaky Big Naturally.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, it was a info product. It was a product.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, an info product.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. So. And it was successful right out of the gate, you know, where we literally started this company with a hundred bucks and we were like doubling our money. We'd go on Google AdWords, spend a hundred bucks, get 200 back, like, holy, this is incredible. And then Wade and I were really passionate about enzymes and probiotics. And Wade Maybe talk about Dr. Michael O' Brien and how we learned about that because that was really a turning point for us, shifting us from the bodybuilding paradigm to health.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, I think there's a couple elements Matt and I have been successful from. The dynamic tension that's created between both of us and a shared passion which is trans transforming people's health, vitality. We were both personal trainers and he was a great marketer. And I didn't know anything about marketing. I just said, I'm just going to walk around shredded all the time. That's my marketing. Right. It worked. Right. It wasn't very scalable.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Wade Leithard]

He also approached things from more of a ketogenic side and I was approaching things from a plant based side. And we were doing radical experiments inside of that. And so. But the one element that was really, you know, unifying for us, one, we came from the same part of the world, very rural areas, very humble beginnings. He was on the French side of the river, I was on the English side of the river. There was a lot of commonalities and we fell in love with transforming people's health as a personal trainer. Number one job satisfaction in the world. If you do all the polling.

[Gary Brecker]

Is it really?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah. And I believe it's because you're getting that human to human connection.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

Where you're taking Somebody and transforming something that they can't literally buy. When someone has wealth, they can buy everything else in the world. But you have to develop the cultivation, the discipline, the practices and the principles. And because they're so time constrained, they need to trust somebody to take them through the journey, which is maybe their lifestyle's taken them out from. And we had a passion, we had. We both had incredible track records from that. However, we knew there were some missing elements. And after I competed at the Mr. Universe contest back in 2003, I ran into a whole digestive health crisis. I gained 42 pounds in 11 weeks.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, my God.

[Wade Leithard]

So I was in an inflammatory nightmare. And we met this guy. His name was Dr. Michael O'. Brien. He looked like a cast off of cocoon. He was just like in his 70s. He had vibrant skin. He gave a lecture, you know, six weeks after he had broken his back. He didn't eat during the whole lecture. It was 14 hours. He had all this energy. We're like, okay, I want to be like him, right? And, you know, after the seminar, we went up and talked to him and I said, listen, you know, we've had all this success. Some things went wrong. I am supposed to be this ideal picture of aesthetic perfection, but something's not working here. And he said, something that change the course of our lives. And he said, wade, you've learned to build the body from the outside in. I'm going to teach you how to build the body from the inside out. And he introduced us to the concept of probiotics and enzymes and special amino acids and antioxidants and gut health. And then all of these elements which were pre, you know, way, way, way before the concept of biohacking or methylation or genetics. He had just figured this stuff out. He had overcome colon cancer, cirrhosis of the liver. He'd helped Bernard Jensen.

[Gary Brecker]

And what was his background? Was he a scientist?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, he was a doctor and he.

[Matt Gallant]

Ran three medical hospitals.

[Wade Leithard]

And then of course, he ran into all of the same problems that people that are going fixing people in that industry have. So eventually he fought in court, you know, four or five times. And eventually he said, I terminated all my stuff so that I can go off and do what I do. He's actually referred to in Come Alive in Bernard Jensen's book of how he helped him overcome cancer and really, yeah, metastasized to the bone. It was a horrible case. You know, he was 84 pounds at 78 years old. O' Brien went in there and in eight weeks and one day had him cancer free at 116 pounds. And he dedicated the book to him. And so, you know, Bernard Jensen wrote.

[Gary Brecker]

The book and was this diet lifestyle.

[Wade Leithard]

Enzymes, particularly around hyper dose, massive dosages of enzymatic therapy, a special strain of probiotics and then a few bit of antioxidant kind of delivery nutrients.

[Matt Gallant]

Wow.

[Gary Brecker]

And so I mean did he. So he was licensed to practice medicine or he was just.

[Wade Leithard]

He was. And then eventually gave it up because he kept going before the board because he was curing people. Problematic sounds.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, it's really.

[Wade Leithard]

Anyways, so a shame, but he became a mentor for us and we literally, you know, became the best students we could possibly bleed and learned everything that we could. We both went on his program. Six months later I'd recaptured my physique. But unlike just looking good, I had a new level of health, vitality, energy.

[Gary Brecker]

What was the retention from? What was the water retention from? Because for somebody who's been, had been as active as you were and bodybuilder, I imagine you're pretty disciplined about your diet. You're pretty disciplined about your caloric intake and you're regimented and disciplined with your routine. What all of a sudden flicked the switch? Not like you went off the deep end.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, I always think that you never want to reduce things down to a single element. I would say it was a combination of elements. In order to qualify for that show, I had to do a bunch of competitions and I was in almost a perpetual competition diet for approximately two years, including the last 11 months. I started my diet cycle and then, you know, I hit this championship. I won that. I had to keep going. I had to keep going again. Keep going again. And so the caloric restriction, the, you know, intense level of training, the specialized dehydration to go into the show and keep in mind what was different than say a lot of biohackers or a lot of bodybuilders? Because I think bodybuilders are the original biohackers.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, yeah, they are, are as good, if not better than most physicians at peptides or hormones.

[Wade Leithard]

Yes.

[Gary Brecker]

And you know, we think that they're just these cavalier just, you know, squirt all kinds of, you know, illicit drugs into their butt. But they're actually some of the more skilled. I mean they go and they, they read the research, they're, they're generally the ones that are more up to speed on their, on their blood work and their labs and things too, because they understand what's putting them.

[Matt Gallant]

They have to be.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, There's a couple elements. First, they're trying to overcome two distinct factors. One, the genetic propensity to store body fat. They're reducing it to maybe a suboptimal level, but they're disrupting that genetic tendency and they're disrupting the genetic tendency to not build an excess amount of muscles. In order to do that, you've got to get really clear about things, not only from the science, but also on your intuitive awareness of how things are working, making you feel and transforming. Now, unfortunately, that's more to an aesthetic side and not necessarily to an internal health. So for me, the whole bodybuilding journey, I didn't have the great genetics for it or things like that, but it became a point of reference and discovery and experimentation that I could apply things in a real world environment, test them, experience them, say, yeah, that feels something. Now, can we find out how we can make that better? Or who's the scientist that we can get to kind of bridge the gap between what I'm noticing, feeling and understanding to what actually makes scientific sense and can that be deliverable to a grand scale? And we had a passion about that because he had a whole toolbox that I had never seen before. I had a whole toolbox that he had never seen before. So we had these ridiculous debates, you know, like, you know, is keto better or plant based better? I was like, what about lipids versus carbohydrates? You know, all those classic conversations we were having those 20 years ago, and it helped us round out our understanding of essential tools.

[Gary Brecker]

So let's go into the, you know, let's go down the road of the, you know, the enzymes and, and nutrient absorption. Because, you know, we talk a lot about, on my, on my podcast, and I talk a lot about methylation, methylated nutrients deficiencies leading to different, you know, physiologic outcomes. My audience is very familiar with that. But we don't talk a lot about enzymes and the importance of enzymes. And one of the things that you said was, you know, this mentor of yours sat you down and talked to you about enzymatic reactions in the body and enzymes. Because at this point you hadn't started bio optimizers, right? You're just curious in your heightened state of awareness and wanted to learn in this field. But what was the big aha moment?

[Matt Gallant]

That when we started taking his enzymes.

[Gary Brecker]

And what were his enzymes?

[Matt Gallant]

They were just a blend of different, I mean, lipases, proteases, amylases. But when we started hyperdosing, using maybe 20, 25 capsules a day. There was a 125.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. Which is. I'd say that's a mid level. Yeah, you can go.

[Gary Brecker]

I've heard of people doing that. Fasting too.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, that is the key.

[Wade Leithard]

I've topped out at a thousand as an experiment. I don't recommend it but you know, you get to have a lot of energy.

[Gary Brecker]

Really?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, it's just certainly a high and a cognitive clarity that's really.

[Gary Brecker]

So you take the high doses of these enzymes, assume like digestive enzymes and you don't eat. So you're fasted, you're in a prolonged fasted state, but you're taking high doses of enzymes. How long would you do something like that?

[Matt Gallant]

Well, here's some mind blowing research that was done with some athletes. You can cut recovery time with a lot of injuries by over 50%. So there's a great book called Enzyme Therapy. Enzyme Therapy, one of the best books. If you really want to get into.

[Wade Leithard]

All the research, Food Enzymes for Health and Longevity is kind of a deeper dive as well on that one's a great one.

[Matt Gallant]

But here, here are some examples. Hematomas from 15.6 days down to 6.6. Swelling 10 days to 4. Restriction of movement 12.6 days to 5. Inflammation, 10.5 to 3.8. Unfit for training 10.2 days down to 4.2. And they did a bunch of research with boxers and karate athletes. And if you take the enzymes on an empty stomach, they're going to go into your bloodstream. And when you're talking about the fundamentals of health of the body, it comes down to your body's ability to make proteins. Right. We don't even know how many proteins our body's making, but the estimates are to over a hundred thousand. The building blocks of all that is amino acids. And one of the amazing things with Mastimes is in the lab there's an experiment called InfoGEST where we can simulate the digestive system. And when you take food with Mazymes, you're going to get 1,200% more amino acids in 30 minutes than if you don't.

[Gary Brecker]

So if you just took the mass enzymes.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. With food, 1,200% more amino acids in 30 minutes. And again, these amino acids do all the things that we're looking to do, whether it's rebuilding our organs, recovering faster, et cetera. And if you think about all the health problems that occur from allergies, inflammation, a lot of those are coming from undigested proteins. Yeah. Floating in the bloodstream. And if you can get proteases in there, it'll help break those down. And of course, when we're fasting, we're trying to maximize autophagy. And in our opinion, the enzymes accelerate that and take it to another level. So when we're fasting, we'll do 50 plus enzymes a day. Right.

[Gary Brecker]

So, so I, I, you know, I think people, because they're called digestive enzymes, and we think of digestion as being.

[Wade Leithard]

Something that happens just for digestion, you know, but you won't, you won't generally find enzymes in your stool. So you get a systemic, it'll be converted into a systemic enzyme. And that was one of the elements that we started to experiment with, to draw full circles from our original conversation. Where we started this is why did I have that inflammatory response in the body? Well, I was trying to adapt a meat eating mentality to a vegetarian diet. And I was bridging the gap using, you know, low grade protein powder. Yeah, exactly. To try and bridge that gap. And so by doing that over the course of that time, I was also following a high carbohydrate diet in combat, like simplified carbohydrates to create an insulin spike to drive amino acids for recovery. So I was creating an effect that I looked a certain way when it have a certain fullness, but my internal state was getting destroyed. And so as soon as I stopped, you know, between all of those elements, as soon as I got out of the rigid discipline, the calorie restriction, the excessive training, the massive amounts of protein, undigested proteins, according to my system, my body went into a reactive phase. So I see the inflammation is swelling as a safety mechanism. After I gained 42 pounds, I actually felt better. Really, I felt better other than the fact that I can't move and I got sleep apnea and all these things, but like my brain felt better. And so it was like my body was taking that out of the internal states, depositing it into some element to deal with. And then Dr. O' Brien came in, I put that in, you know, it was just like magic. And so I saw the difference. Over the course of four years, we coached about 15,000 people worldwide to do these enzymatic experiments and proteolytic probiotics in.

[Gary Brecker]

Your mass enzymes in the powder form. So when you say 50 times, you mean 50 scoops of that. Okay, so basically just, yeah, 50 caps.

[Matt Gallant]

You can open up the capsules. Yeah, one of the, one of the hacks, if you will. If you throw the enzymes in a protein shake, if the when it gets to room temp, you'll start tasting the protein converting into amino acids.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

And one thing that's, I think highly underrated is intra workout nutrition. People use pre workouts, you know, take energy, some caffeine, whatever, and then people do post workout. But there's some good research showing that if you're drinking and sipping on amino acids while you're lifting, you're going to recover faster, gain more muscle mass. And it makes sense because as soon as you have strain or stress on a muscle tissue, the recovery starts immediately. So you really want more amino acids in your bloodstream while you're lifting to maximize recovery, maximize gain.

[Gary Brecker]

I definitely agree with that.

[Matt Gallant]

So you can use 2 caps with your protein shake, and then again you'll get more amino acids.

[Gary Brecker]

So, so even though you're taking a regular protein shake, just add the enzymes. I'm still fascinated by this whole concept of fasting and taking large amounts of, of enzymes because, you know, the, the enzymes are not just once they've crossed the blood brain barrier, they're not just working in your digestive system, they're actually working in the blood.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, here's, here's the conceptual idea for people. You've got 25,000 different enzymatic processes and they're discovering them all the time. So everything from thinking to blinking requires some sort of enzymatic activity. But a large amount of our enzyme production is diverted to digestion. We're the only species on the planet that eats our food in a cooked state. All cooking destroys enzymes. And so there's advantage of cooking, storing and all that. So pasteurization, Right. Sterilization, whether they're, all of those things are essentially making food so it doesn't decay, that gives it shelf life. And there's a lot of advantages to it. I'm not dis. But what we. If you have a cow or a horse eats grass in its raw state, a tiger eats, it eats, you know, raw meat, it eats the zebra in a live state, a bear can go either way as a herbivore can eat the. But it's always getting both the enzymes and the nutrients inside of that. So there is specific enzymes to that plant or that animal that are being activated upon the digestive process. So you're not just getting the nutrients, the protein carbohydrates, the fats, the vitamins, you're actually getting the enzymes inside of that. And Howell outlines this with whales and cathospin activation. When an animal dies and is killed and then it accelerates digestion. But at the ultimate state, if you've got say 100, let's just use an arbitrary number, 100 units capacity of making enzymes in your body. And 80 of those are being used up because you have to augment your digestive process. Well, you only have an availability of 20% of your enzymatic production to perform all of these other functions. So the value of fasting. And so we did this test ourselves, we would look at changes in our bodies and everything when we would do fasting protocols. And I said, okay, well if that's true, then if I take a mega dosage of enzymes while I'm fasting, can I accelerate the benefits and the results or alleviate some of the liabilities of extended fasts? And across the board, it made it easier. I felt better, the detoxification was accelerated and it was much easier. It was much easier. It was so much easier and I felt so much better. And for people that were doing, you know, I went through the whole process starting with 1 days and then 3 days and then eventually moving up to a 10 day water fast only. And, you know, I did all the juice fast as an experimental, I just.

[Gary Brecker]

Do like a little, what a little mineral salt and then the enzymes. The digestive enzymes.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Because I've done everything except the digestive enzymes in a fast.

[Wade Leithard]

So I think that's what accelerates the mechanism of fasting, is the freeing up of your natural enzymatic production. So what we're doing is we're augmenting it through exogenous enzymes. Mass times particularly that focuses on a high amount of protease because we feel that's the most bang for your buck.

[Matt Gallant]

And just to back up what Wade is saying, they did an experiment looking at if people use enzymes, what happens to the liver. And they found that one group that used enzymes, their AST levels were even versus the other group where AST levels went up. Which shows basically, hey, let's relieve the liver from some of the work it needs to do. The enzymes can do a lot of the work. And just to highlight the criticalness too of enzymes in the body, when you have a fever and your body's increasing temperature, at every degree Celsius, enzymatic activity is doubling. Ah, so your body's trying to get more enzymatic activity by raising its temperature. Exactly. And it is one of the things.

[Gary Brecker]

I've read a lot lately about, you know, parents being advised, not my pediatricians, not to treat the fever in their kids. Obviously, if it gets above 103 and you have severe fever, but but not to just freak out every time your kid has a fever and in fact, purposely to let them ride through it. Part of which is because the increase in enzymatic activity, but part of it is this is our natural, you know, defense mechanism. And there was a really good article written by a pediatric pediatrician in. In Los Angeles that he tells, you know, all of his female patients when they have children that not to. Not to try to break the fever.

[Matt Gallant]

Enzymes is a deep world. Like pretty. Some people for an example, and weed's one of them. They don't digest fats that well. I know you're mostly a ketogenic guy. Some people don't have. They don't produce enough lipase. So for someone like that, using lipases will help them break down the fats into essential fatty acids. And because again, you don't want fats floating in your blood, you don't want proteins floating in your blood.

[Gary Brecker]

Very true.

[Matt Gallant]

And the enzymes help with that. And on the carbohydrate side, you will get. You can break down carbohydrates. I mean, if you look at a banana, why does it go from green to sweet? Because of the amylase that's breaking down the starch into sugar.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Matt Gallant]

So again, athletes can use enzymes to get more glucose faster into their body, which again, when you're working out, you want.

[Gary Brecker]

Makes a difference.

[Matt Gallant]

You want glucose.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, that makes a difference.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah. So the families, you know, proteases break down protein, amylases break down carbohydrates, lipases break down fat, cellulases break down plant fiber.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Wade Leithard]

And I believe this is totally a theory, but people are genetically predetermined about different sites of dietary strategies because of maybe enzymatic favorability or disfavorability in their.

[Gary Brecker]

I could see that.

[Wade Leithard]

And so we would expl. And we tested that with each other. It was a. And you know, he was like, fats, fats, fats. I'm like, every time I go high fat, dude, I'm like, it's in my stool. I'm not. And I don't feel good. And, you know, he didn't like the high carbohydrate rich diet, which seemed to work well for me with a low fat. And so we're like, well, how do we resolve this? Yeah, he was right.

[Gary Brecker]

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[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, magnesium is really the best mineral to regulate your nervous system. So the first symptom is people are stressed out. And when you're stressed, you actually leach more magnesium. So does a vicious cycle that occurs when you have a lot of stress in your life, and especially if you're not consuming or supplementing with magnesium, you'll feel more and more stress. And I'm going to rewind back to the origin story of magnesium breakthrough because both Wade and I were burnt out. Wade was in Panama. I live in Panama. We were both working too much and we were fried. Wade came over one Day. And I have a neurofeedback machine. I wired his brain and his brain had less electricity than my 80 year old friend.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

And I couldn't drink coffee anymore. I drink a cup of coffee and I would just feel horrendous. I'd feel frazzled. My cortisol response was out of control. Okay, so Charles Poliquin told, told us about, hey, if you combine different magnesiums, you'll feel better.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

And then.

[Wade Leithard]

And I was taking magnesium at that time. Turns out that I don't have the best genetics for absorbing magnesium. And I'm on a plant based diet, which could be disruptive. And I was drinking caffeine.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Wade Leithard]

So those are three elements that are also on top of my ability to absorb magnesium. And I'm going, I'm taking magnesium. Why is my brain not working? And it felt terrible. I was like, oh, God. You could tell I screwed up.

[Gary Brecker]

Brain fog.

[Wade Leithard]

Oh, yeah. And then inability, anger, explosiveness. Because. And that's not my. Yeah, well, I'm not. That's not my natural state. It's probably just like go off or whatever. And I was like, man, okay, dude, we gotta check this out. And we're big into neurofeedback. And that was like, okay, here's the sign. How do we figure this out?

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. So I started combining four different magnesiums and really hyperloading. When I say hyperloading, I got up to 5 grams a day, which is a lot. But after five weeks, my baseline level was Zen. It was a level of really like just normal, without meditating, without anything. Told Wade about it. He experienced the same thing. And then I'm like, well, how can we take this to another level? Let's try combining seven of the best magnesiums. Let's add some CO factors. And then we've built multiple variations or upgrades of the formula. And it's one of the best selling magnesiums in the world. But that was the origin story.

[Gary Brecker]

What would you say it is primarily used for? Is it sleep? Regularity? Sleep and stress? Because I notice when, when I take it, I'm very regular. I'm usually regular anyway.

[Matt Gallant]

But like, well, the magnesium pulls water into your intestinal tract. I mean, you can use magnesium oxide as a flush.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

You know, if you're fasting and you really want to clean out your bowels.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

You know, because it just sucks so much water. And this creates literally a flushing effect. One of the things that we try to do with magnesium breakthroughs, to make sure that it's getting in the cells. So we've done thousands of in vitro experiments measuring every single magnesium. So there's two big things when you're looking at a magnesium product. How much elemental magnesium's in the capsule.

[Wade Leithard]

Okay.

[Matt Gallant]

And the second thing is how much are you absorbing on a cellular level?

[Gary Brecker]

How does it list that?

[Matt Gallant]

Well, you cannot list the absorption.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Matt Gallant]

But we just did our first animal trial and just to give you some stats, because the two most popular magnesiums is glycinate and citrate.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Matt Gallant]

L threonate is pretty popular as well. But this is serum levels of magnesium. It was 350% higher than glycinate. It was 233% higher than citrate. This is comparing magnesium breakthrough versus citrate and glycinate, by the way. We've also. It's not released yet. Probably next year. Our chemist has created a new form of magnesium that crosses the blood brain barrier. It crushed L3 and 8 in the animal trials.

[Wade Leithard]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

So that'll be coming out next year. We're super excited about that. But, you know, I think what separates us as a company is the science, the level of scientific experiments that we do. We have a lab with 20 people full time. All they do every week is hundreds of experiments. We set up these battery of tests for each type of product that we do. And we'll do, you know, sometimes 18 months of in vitro experiments before we release a product. I don't know of any other supplement company that's doing that. And we do that for every single product that we release.

[Gary Brecker]

And, and how do you decide, like, what then the next product is? So somebody's listening to this podcast and they're like, these are all great little biohacks. Like, you know, I overdose on magnesium, or I take a lot of magnesium, so I'm regular, or I take these mass enzymes when I'm fasted. And I get a better benefit out of fasting, maybe brighter cellular autophagy. But for someone that's just, you know, starting on their supplementation journey, what would, what would be your, your recommendation? Because even someone that's, you know, like myself, I go out on, you know, on Google, you get paralysis of analysis here. Resveratrol Coq 10 NAD, and Ashwagandha St John's Wort. And you could probably make an argument for any one of those at any given time. But where does the, where does the average person in the populace start?

[Wade Leithard]

I think they need to start out by fixing their digestion first. I think if you look at all the statistics is what 100 million people that have digestive dysregulation. You've got 12% of the emergency hospital, you know, journeys now are gastrointestinal related illnesses. You've got massive use of medications, over the counter stuff. None of that stuff is, you know, the New England Journal of Medicine says we're here to treat the symptoms of disease, not to cure them. Yeah, that's something that the general public hasn't grasped, that the pill doesn't cure you, it just, it mitigates whatever the consequence, but may have. It sets up another standoff and then you're on the circus of the next pill. The next pill, the next pill. So if you have. And when you're talking digestion is getting the right diet that's right for you based on your genetics. Do a basic genetic test, see what you need, identifying what elements to optimize your gut, reduce a bunch of the toxins and things like that. You know, you know all about this.

[Gary Brecker]

You've been your group when you say what elements to detoxify or repair the gut, like what kind of things are you talking about? Because we know that the gut only has a single cell layer separating our inside environment from our outside environment. We were talking before the podcast about. Yeah, about biofilm, which I think if you said that to most people, they probably think of it as a negative.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, biofilm in the gut, basically you have probiotics or bacteria that have colonized. So they've literally created environments that they can live in. Now, depending on which strains are in your biofilm, it's gonna be either good or bad. You can have bad bacteria that have colonized and they're creating havoc. Now one thing that's interesting about pro bacteria in general is they have a 48 hour lifespan. And I think one of the underrated benefits of, let's say a three day fast is you are drying out and killing a lot of the bacteria in your gut, which creates a powerful opportunity to recolonize when you start eating right. So think about it.

[Gary Brecker]

You have to eat the right things, like kimchi, sauerkraut, the right strains. Okay?

[Matt Gallant]

So the PhD that runs our lab, her PhD is in biofilm and probiotics. So we've done thousands of experiments, not just on the things that we sell, but other products. We measure things like survivability. So we do seven different experiments on every strain we test which bad bacteria can it kill? So for example, our probiotics breakthrough product, it'll kill E. Coli. So if you have food poisoning, it's undefeated we don't know of a single person that has had food poisoning. That probiotics breakthrough did not solve it in less than 60 minutes.

[Gary Brecker]

Really.

[Matt Gallant]

And we know it because it kills E. Coli. The lab, we see that.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

Another big problem with probiotic products is a lot of strains will kill each other. So if you're not doing the experiments, like if the formulators are not testing. Hey, these individual strains.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, these are supportive strains.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. Or the bifido killing the elplantarum and things like. Like that, you can create a formula. It's just a mishmash of maybes in a bottle.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

So that's another issue. Mishmash of maybe.

[Wade Leithard]

What do they eat? That's another element. Right. Like what prebiotics that feed some bacteria, which strains. So what is the prebiotic that's with that probiotic and how that bacteria is going to survive on it? Because it works really well with this bacteria strain, not this bacteria strain, et cetera.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, what is leaky gut? Leaky gut is basically holes in the junction of your intestinal lining and food particles are getting into your bloodstream. And again, going back to. We don't want proteins and we don't want fats floating around. So the solution is you need to use a probiotic blend that seals, that reseals your gut. And the way you can measure that in terms of your biomarker is called zonulin.

[Gary Brecker]

Zonulin. Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

So you can measure zonulin levels. If they're really high, you almost certainly have some level of leaky gut. We had Dr. Gus Vickery, we sent him some microbiome breakthrough. He tested on 11 patients. There was over a 90% reduction with all his patients that had high zonulin.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

And we know it in the lab.

[Gary Brecker]

What are some of the byproducts of high zonulin? What are some of the downsides of it?

[Matt Gallant]

Well, again, systemic inflammation. That's the big one.

[Wade Leithard]

Brain fog.

[Gary Brecker]

Okay.

[Wade Leithard]

Right.

[Gary Brecker]

The usual. Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

You know, crusty eyes, bad breath, all those elements, elements that, you know, show up. These are always symptom. Symptomatic of deeper issues that's going on inside of the body.

[Gary Brecker]

So what happens in somebody's body that, let's say that you are deficient in magnesium, but you're also deficient in enzymatic production. Because enzymes are something that we produce on our own. And then those enzymes have like a lock and key mechanism that they use to. To fit to certain nutrients and help break them, help break them down. So like in your case, when you switched from being a plant eater to at some point being a meat eater. Making that switch overnight or in too dramatic of a faction could have been very detrimental.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, I went the other way. I went from a total meat eater to a plant guy. And there was two method. Reasons for that is I wanted to test in the real world some generalized assumptions. And going back to the proteolytic enzyme aspect, if you look at most of the research, it's one gram per pound of body.

[Gary Brecker]

Right? Right.

[Wade Leithard]

Okay. I always ask, and I would ask the question, we would ask the question, well, how much of that was actually converted into the amino acids that was used by my body? Nobody knows. So yes, maybe I'm 200 pounds, I put 200 grams in. The assumption is it's a 200 gram conversion of amino acids. You don't need protein, you need the amino acids that are broken. And there's a process of breaking that down. You need enzymes, hydrochloric acid and proteolytic probiotics, which may or may not be present, especially if you've done antibiotics. You're getting older, you're not hydrated properly, you're eating a high processed, cooked diet. All of those things are disruptive because you need more enzymes to offset from your manufacturing. So, you know, if I go look back to real world, I was eating 250 grams of protein to support myself at around 185 pounds in competition. And I wasn't. The other element here is I'm not using anabolics or TRT or any hormonal aspects. So I'm testing that in the raw. I'm not being supported by protein synthesis. We introduced the whole concept of proteolytic enzymes. We developed that product. Four years later, I went to the world championships again. I was in better shape, better condition, felt better, and I was eating 85 grams on a raw food, plant based diet.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Wade Leithard]

So it wasn't so much that the difference was I was able to convert that 85 grams into enough amino acids to support my training. And I think that's where a lot of the variances comes with different dietary strategies. When someone says that you need 0.5 and everyone says 0.8 and now this is one point. I think it's what they're not identifying is, well, how well do you actually convert that? Very much like your methylation story. It's the same thing as, well, how well do you convert fats, how well do you convert carbohydrates, how well do you convert proteins? And that's directly correlated to either your natural enzymatic production or your exogenous supplementation of those enzymes. And so we said, hey, we can eliminate all this. We can be. Be successful in two diametrically opposed diets using the same strategy to optimize for a change. Yeah. So that's how we. That's how we kind of hack that.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. And I think we need to change the story from protein to amino acids. I know you're a fan of amino acids. I mean, that's really what we want to get into our bloodstream. It's not protein, it's amino acids. And that's where I think the proteolytic enzyme.

[Gary Brecker]

And we talked about this yesterday too, on Rogan. I think that a lot of people still believe that we can target direct proteins. So I always say, you know, we can't. We don't need our nails to grow our nails and we don't need our hair to grow our hair. Hair. But a lot of people think that we can just eat collagen and it'll show up as collagen in our skin and target directing it so that if I eat a bite of collagen doesn't just show up as collagen in our skin, it's going to show up as amino acids, which may or may not show up as collagen. Right. I mean, it's going to go build collagen, elastin, fiber, natural killer cells, muscle, whatever you're going to build from. From the amino acids. I am what it, what it sounds like with you guys. A much bigger fan of, you know, full spectrum amino acids or all nine of the essential amino acids than I am of just overdosing with protein.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. I would say like one of our general philosophies when it comes to supplementation. Back to your original question of, you know, what should people take? In a perfect world, you're giving your body the precursors, the building blocks that it needs along with the CO factors, and then your body's just going to do the work Right.

[Gary Brecker]

On its own.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. If you give your body all the amino acids you're methylating, well, which is obviously key, then your body can make all the proteins that it needs to stay healthy, to stay optimized. So even when we build things like magnesium breakthrough, it's not just magnesiums. We're using Humic and Fulvic because we know, we've done the experiments. It drives more. More minerals in the cells.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

So cofactors. Everybody's heard anybody look at supplements, has Heard of cofactors. People are underrating how big and impactful cofactors are. And we, we. I know that because we.

[Gary Brecker]

What are some co factors, common co factors that people might be aware of?

[Matt Gallant]

Well, it always depends on what we're talking about.

[Wade Leithard]

Magnesium's a big one.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, magnesium.

[Gary Brecker]

Over 300 huge enzymatic reactions.

[Matt Gallant]

300 to 600. Right. And they help with so many different things. And back to, okay, I'm a consumer, I don't know what to buy. I'm overwhelmed. I think magnesium is a top three, top five supplement. Because if you're improving your sleep, everything in your life's gonna get better. Almost every single biomarker is going to improve. I've been a sleep diva for over a decade, spent over $45,000 on, on, on custom made mattress, Faraday cake, eight sleep machine. I sleep.

[Gary Brecker]

I have Faraday, have an eight sleep. I have the whoop.

[Matt Gallant]

I have a nano V. Do you know the nano V?

[Gary Brecker]

Is that the one you breathe in? Yeah, yeah, I just saw that at a conference this weekend.

[Wade Leithard]

Folding. Yeah, it's great.

[Gary Brecker]

It does, yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

But if you go 45 minutes to an hour, you definitely notice a distinct difference in your recovery.

[Matt Gallant]

It shifts your nervous system into parasympathetic. So really, I'll breathe it in while I'm sleeping.

[Gary Brecker]

What exactly is it?

[Matt Gallant]

We don't know. The secret sauce.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, it's. Well, basically, it's generating what's a concept called easy water, which is there's four stages of water. A solid, liquid, gas, and then a crystal element. And by putting specific wave frequencies of light, you can kind of add this. So, for example, when you look at this glass, if you look closely at the edge of that glass, it starts to curve up. And there was a. What was the doctor, what's his name, that kind of broke that research down. Pollock. Yes, Dr. Pollock. Cells, gels in the engines of life. And he actually proved this tiny spectrum of water in this unique state, which he called easy water, had an incredible array of regenerative aspects to the body because it increased protein folding. And your cells do this. And so by the concept between that nanov machine is that if we can put that into our system, then we'll be able to excel. We'll be able to put more of this easy water into our respiratory system, and that's going to trigger this increased protein folding. They've did a lot of research on it, and I was like, okay, just let me buy one and I'll try it. And I really like it. But for me, you know, in a com, you know, a hard training environment, I really notice a distinct dent difference at 45 to 60 minutes. If I'm on that and I use, I use the nozzle, you know.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

And I got it on. I'm making sure I'm getting it in. Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

The exercise with oxygen therapy, I do that with my parents.

[Matt Gallant]

But we got a nerd out on EWAT with Mr. Newts. We've built a next. We built a next generation ewod.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Gallant]

After the show. But back to, to protein folding for a quick second. That is one of the drivers of aging is your body's ability to fold proteins gets weaker and weaker. If you've never read the nine Drivers of Aging, it's a great paper. Outlines kind of the nine main drivers and that's one of them. And nanov could help. But again, how does your body fold proteins? It sequences a set of amino acids. That's the first phase. And then it basically folds it. And then your body has a protein it can use for all kinds of things. So if you're not folding proteins, you're gonna start degrading. So nanov can help with that.

[Gary Brecker]

So nanov helps with that, but also the enzymes help with that.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, correct.

[Gary Brecker]

Let me tell you about something that's been a total game changer for my sleep and my stress levels. Bioptimizer's Magnesium Breakthrough. Here's the thing. Most people don't know. Regular magnesium supplements only give you one or two forms, but your body actually needs seven different forms to function properly. That's why you might be taking magnesium and still feel tired or stressed or having trouble sleeping. Magnesium Breakthrough is the only supplement that combines all seven bioavailable forms in just a single capsule. Within just a few days, I noticed I was falling asleep faster, staying asleep longer, and waking up actually more refreshed. Plus, my post workout muscle recovery has been incredible. If you're ready to feel finally get the deep restorative sleep you deserve and feel more relaxed during the day, head to bioptimizers.com and use the code ultimate to save on magnesium Breakthrough. Trust me, your body will thank you. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. Getting back to where you know, a beginner would just start because again, you can really get paralysis of analysis.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, I'm gonna use my parents. Cause my parents raised parents are kind of, you know, they're just good examples and the biggest thing and you know, for a long time they didn't take any of our supplements. You Know, they're like, these are pills.

[Gary Brecker]

Sounds like my parents.

[Matt Gallant]

What is this?

[Gary Brecker]

Well, when they raise you, they're like, they know the.

[Wade Leithard]

What do these kids know?

[Gary Brecker]

Exactly.

[Matt Gallant]

But the magnesium in our sleep product has changed their life. My father doesn't sleep well naturally. Again, genetic thing, which I think I inherited, and he. It's just been transformative for him. And they love the sleep products. The. They use the magnesium every night. My. My dad uses the Melatonin Breakthroughs, a new product coming out. And then the. My mom uses Sleep Breakthrough and she loves it.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

So to me, that's like the ultimate testimonial. Having my parents.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, they're great testimonials, but I'm saying, like, the, the average person that wants to, you know, start a supplement routine, but doesn't know really, you know, where to get off the ground, you know, because if you walk into GNC or, God forbid, get on Google, you're. You're, you're getting prowls.

[Wade Leithard]

You're done. Now, I think really most people should start with a genetic test, and I think they should spend the money to get a qualified person that can interpret that results for them and then identify where you're going to get the most bang for your buck. Yeah, you're going to pay a little bit more on the front end.

[Gary Brecker]

Right, Right.

[Wade Leithard]

But now, instead of randomly shotgunning and doing like we have, who wants to do 40 years of experimentation, there's a tremendous amount of fails in that. And. And we spent our tremendous amounts of money, time, effort, energy, way outside the range. This is our passion. So I think if they go down that route, and the key element is making sure someone can interpret that result, provide it in a language where they can go, hey, definable, easy, integratable, actionable steps that you do on a daily, ritualistic basis. So start with something small that you can do regularly. And then, as I say, used to do this with my clients. I'm like, don't worry about all the bad things that you're doing. Just keep adding good stuff and eventually the bad things will fall away. And it's just slowly as it goes. Process. But that key identif. We didn't have that ability to identify what your genetic weaknesses, what are your. What are the factors that are gonna.

[Gary Brecker]

Take you, what you should be supplementing with. Right.

[Wade Leithard]

Cause my mom and my dad are completely different.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

And I'm a hybrid. Hybrid of those two. And then no.

[Matt Gallant]

1.

[Wade Leithard]

What happened to the immune mutation there? They're like, I don't know what happened to him?

[Matt Gallant]

I think genetic tests are awesome. And I think you also want to be adding biomarker tests because.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, yeah, blood tests.

[Matt Gallant]

You need blood tests. I mean, there's your genetics, then there's your genetic expression and your environment, what you've been doing. And unless you're looking at your blood work, you're guessing. So regular blood work is crucial. I just did mine and there was some interesting stuff that I'd never seen before that if I hadn't tested, I might not have identified.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. You know, it is amazing how interconnected we are and how when certain blood biomarkers get off, we just assume that there's some kind of disease or pathologic process going on in the body. Like we saw all the time, you know, people that would have elevated, elevated levels of, let's say, C reactive protein, a non specific marker of inflammation. And when you would just fix their methylation, even these non specific markers of inflammation would go down because we don't really know exactly what's causing it. Maybe it was protein folding, maybe it was the poor level of enzymatic activity. But I just find that human beings function so much better when you give the body the raw material it needs to do its job.

[Wade Leithard]

Whole foods, regular protein servings for satiety. Get the chemicals out. Start there. If you can't, put it in the ground and plan it, or if it doesn't walk around on the ground.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Wade Leithard]

Probably not that good for you.

[Gary Brecker]

And if it, you know, going back to whole foods for a minute, is there any evidence that we can retrain the gut to produce its own enzymes? If, you know, if we supplement for a period of time, maybe even with the right probiotics, then we can retrain the gut to actually.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, the probiotics do produce enzymes. Like probiotics are these metabolite factories. They're consuming some of the food. Some of them will break down protein, some of them will eat carbs. And they're producing vitamins, they're producing neurotransmitters. We measured that in the lab. We have a half million dollar HPLC machine and we'll test. And I know you've been messaging a lot about this. How many neurotransmitters, which neurotransmitters are each probiotic strain produced?

[Gary Brecker]

Interesting. That is so fascinating because you talk about the gut brain connection. You know, there's your driver of mood.

[Wade Leithard]

Serotonin, 95% of it's made in the gut.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

So if you don't have enough amino acids or you don't have those bacteria cultures because you took some, you know, some antibiotics as a child because you were sick a lot and now you never re cultivated that strain for the rest of your life. And you know, now eating maybe protein rich foods makes you nauseous and sick and you don't feel very good and you, you get gassy and bloating, you don't know why and you're constantly depressed. Well, maybe something happened way back in the day that never got corrected and the correction is relatively simple. That's why I said always start with your gut. Fix your gut. That gut brain connection is so deep as well as that's the delivery system to bring the nutrients to the factory. Enzymes are the trucks and active, active units inside the body. They're the workers.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

You know, enzymes and probiotics are really the only things that do work in the body. Everything else is material.

[Gary Brecker]

And when you say fix your gut, I mean I think a lot of people are like, I just don't know where to start doing that. I mean I tell people, you know, getting on a whole food diet, eating you know, lots of sauerkraut and, and fermented vegetables and curfewers and kimchi's can help. A lot of me, I feel amazing.

[Wade Leithard]

When I just eat I fermented foods every day.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, you do?

[Wade Leithard]

Oh yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

It's like our grandmothers knew what the hell they were doing.

[Wade Leithard]

All the longest living health populations in the world use some sort of fermentation relative. Yeah, you look at, you know, you get into the nattos in Asia. If you look at the original stuff in Eastern Europe where they were looking at these long living population special kefir.

[Gary Brecker]

I was, my grandmother was out of her mind because she had this like really crappy area of the basement with the like the creepy like old wood shelves and you know, the member of the mason jars and I, yeah, I had to press the top.

[Wade Leithard]

I still get that. I do go down to the basement at my house when I go home.

[Gary Brecker]

Always press the jar and if it, you know, if it pops up, throw it in the trash. If it doesn't, bring it upstairs.

[Wade Leithard]

That's right, exactly. We still do.

[Gary Brecker]

And like, you know, as creepy as it was, like now I want to get back to that, you know, the pickled onions and all that.

[Wade Leithard]

Everybody in my community did that. There was four centenarians on my street.

[Gary Brecker]

Where was this from?

[Wade Leithard]

A little place called Hillsborough, New Brunswick.

[Gary Brecker]

Really?

[Wade Leithard]

Which is up by Main for those who don't know. And I'm way Out there. In fact, one of the ladies that follow that, she lives down the street from us, she's 106 years old, but we had four centenarians and everybody had their pickles, Everybody had their fermented food. Everybody had a regular garden. Everybody had a farm where they got their chicken or their beef. They got their eggs from the guy next door. So that we're talking ultra pure, raw, local, sourced foods that all these people are doing and doing these fermented foods.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

And drinking water out of a well.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

Oh, wow. The genius of simplicity, right?

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, yeah, very much so. So, you know, I think the, there's a couple of really great books, you know, by Dr. Perlmutter on, on the gut brain connection. And it's got brain access, Gut brain connection and grain brain, which I found really fascinating. And over the years in our clinic system, you know, we did not see, I think we had about 160,000, maybe 170,000 patients come through our clinic system before, before I exited. And I did not see or even hear of a single person that suffered from anxiety or other mental health related issues that did not also have gut issues.

[Wade Leithard]

Same thing in my own 25 year old.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, females that would have severe anxiety. They all had gut dysbiosis, all of them, and some pretty severe. And it seemed to correlate with the severity of the, you know, the symptom, the severity. I know the severity of their gut.

[Wade Leithard]

And you know, I coached thousands of clients and that was the same, same observations. Fix their gut, go on a basic elimination diet, get the chemicals out of their system. And you know, then there's, then there's other elements that you can add. There's, you know, a whole array. That's where you get into, you know, mycelium and the various types of mushroom families that can also help augment for cognitive health. And really down that rabbit hole as well.

[Gary Brecker]

And yeah, we can go down that rabbit hole. But before we do, like, what's really exciting you right now? I mean, what's, what are you guys doing in the lab?

[Matt Gallant]

And man, you've opened up my favorite rabbit.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Because I know what's exciting to me. Well, right now, trying to figure out the pyramids, like that's nothing to do with.

[Matt Gallant]

My favorite thing in the world is always creating something that's the next level of whatever rabbit hole we're into. One of the things is we have created, It's a 10 day experience. We haven't commercialized it yet. We've only had our executives come in it is the pinnacle of brain optimization.

[Gary Brecker]

And.

[Matt Gallant]

I'm going to say human transformation, it's beyond, it's evolutionary what's happening. And you do five days of prep and then you do five days of hardcore hyper intensive neurofeedback, different modalities, and we're pushing the boundaries of, we're resetting the default mode network. We're feeding the body and the brain everything that we can to increase BDNF to maximize the gains. We're almost using like a bodybuilder paradigm of maximization where we're gonna push the stimuli to the absolute limit using different types of neurofeedback. And, and then we're going to give the body and the brain everything that it needs to maximize recovery. So that after five days, your executive functioning is another level. You're able to shift states on command. Your EQ is higher, your level of consciousness is higher, your resilience is higher. And you can measure that. Like your cerebellum has about 80% of your neurons and you can train your cerebellum.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

So if your cerebellum is stronger. And I, and I did a ton of cerebellum training on the last time, on the last round, my resilience, my ability to handle stress has just gone to the superhuman level. There's no other way to say it.

[Gary Brecker]

And is this like an outpatient thing or is this a retreat destination?

[Matt Gallant]

It's like five people max. We've been doing in Sedona and we have a whole team there. Like we're doing IVs before to prepare. We're doing hyperbarics. Like we're doing everything that we can to maximize our physiology, to handle the amount of training that we're doing.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow, that's so, that's, that's actually really.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah. So then it carries like you do that week, and then you've got about two months adjusting to the new glasses because the whole lens of the world changes.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

And then you got about another four months to what we call is full integration of your, your new capacities. And then, and then as soon as you're there, you're like, matt, Matt, it's, it's time to go back.

[Gary Brecker]

Dude. I actually want to do that. You know, it's, it's, it's fascinating to me. Sometimes I, you know, I do these challenges and I'll take. I had tens of thousands of people on a three day water fasting challenge. And I would say for 95 of them, it was the first day that even fasted for 24 hours, much less for three days. And of all the challenges that I've had, I think that was the one that we got the most amount of feedback from people that were just like, it just blew their mind. How would that, how much of a change they can make in three days simply by eliminating food?

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, well, I think one of the biggest things people realize when they do a three day fast is Holy. How much time am I spending thinking about food, preparing food, eating food, cleaning the food.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Because for no reason you actually will just get up and like walk towards the refrigerator and you subconsciously.

[Wade Leithard]

And you're like, I'm actually not hungry. Yeah, it's a subconscious driver that's just, you know, this goes into what I would say is the big debate that's going to talk about what's exciting and that is AI or what I call non biological intelligence.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh my gosh.

[Wade Leithard]

So, so, so biology we have, we have an operating system that's baiting on, you know, feeding, fighting. Well, you could put in the extra f. Yeah, yeah, but it's replication. In other words, to push my genes through in time.

[Gary Brecker]

Fornicating.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, yeah, there you go. That is the biological operation system which spring forths all of our cognitive, subconscious, superconscious. All of those activities are built within that biological platform and they call artificial intelligence. I'm going, well, I think there's some uses, but we're really talking about booting up an intelligence platform which I call non biological intelligence. It doesn't have those requisites, so who knows how that goes. Maybe it's corrupted by biology, but we don't know. So there are certainly some interesting elements about how that biological platform can leverage this non biological platform because it strips out some of that which you can come to some conclusions that maybe you can't because of those unconscious biases. But then we don't know what maybe are some of the outcomes that that could have. Because very seldom does the, does the stupid person control the smart person for a length of time. Especially when it scales up exponentially. Us as a species. Sure, we're at the epitome of it. We're not stronger or faster than most of the animals, but we've become the apex predator because our ability to work.

[Gary Brecker]

In networks and to reason and I think, yeah, it's both scary and fascinating at the same time. What did they say? That AI is just reached. It's the. Where it's becoming self aware. Would they call that there's a term.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, the singularity is.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

Merge with the AI which is coming.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, I think we've passed the event horizon.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

You know, and so we'll see how that comes out. And one of the reasons why we go back to why we're excited about this is because I think we're all facing a challenge. Why do you do this podcast? Why are we so passionate about this? Largely in part because we're trying to identify how to maintain biological function with a dramatically increase of these stressors inputs coming into the system. The amount of information you're getting, the amount of analysis paralysis that comes in from all these data points that our ancestors didn't have to deal with. The sheer load of electromagnetic pollution inside of the system, the deluge of biochemicals coming in and all these things. Then you wrap that under political and social conceptualities and what's happening. Like in martial arts, the person who's fastest and gonna, you know, get the most amount of moves can overwhelm that person's defense mechanisms and you're done. That's why a trained person versus an untrained person, it's over before it starts.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

And so why, you know, we're so excited about this is we have found a way to at least, at the very least delay, but maybe optimize that transition using a way to accelerate our capacity to handle the inputs and still maintain our physiological equilibrium.

[Matt Gallant]

That's so awesome, because I think the biggest challenge, and I've talked to one of the smartest neuroscientists on the planet, and this is what he brought up as a concern once we're fully merged, is can your nervous system handle 10 things, thousand X more inputs?

[Gary Brecker]

Right?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah. What's even.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, Even if you have a chip in your brain, how's your nervous system going to handle that?

[Gary Brecker]

Exactly.

[Matt Gallant]

That's going to be a whole new level of stress. Yeah, we'll have to upgrade the hardware too.

[Gary Brecker]

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[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. So first it's, it's five days of prepping the body. We'll do 750 milligrams of NAD. Five days in a row, so that you get mitochondrial fusion on day four, day five, because most people have just done. Okay, I'm gonna go do a bag of NAD.

[Gary Brecker]

Like 400 milligrams or 5, which you're.

[Matt Gallant]

Gonna get an energy boost. Yeah. But when you do five days in a row, there is a new baseline of mitochondrial power that's gonna last about 60 days.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. Wait, wait, you just did it, right?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, it just got back.

[Gary Brecker]

Really?

[Wade Leithard]

Yep.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. And I'm doing it when I get back to Panama. I think doing that two, three times a year by itself is a great addition. And I know you're a fan of nad.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, yeah, Huge fan of nad. So how many hours does that take?

[Wade Leithard]

Well, six. Yeah. Depending on what your tolerance of, you know, allowing the NAD into it and what the quality of the NAD actually is. There's a lot of, you know, low grade elements in it. And so I've seen people that'll take them, you know, three, four hours to drop a bag of 750 into them. And then, you know, I've done it in as fast as 30 minutes, but.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow, 50 and 30.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, but, but, but, but here's the thing. But here's the thing. You know, I remember the 30 minutes 1 felt easier than I was doing, like recently. Like at this last one I had, I hadn't had one in a while. I was struggling on a couple of days. It took me like, you know, two and a half hours to get it in. And I was like, oh, okay. And what's really that nauseous?

[Matt Gallant]

It doesn't feel good.

[Wade Leithard]

It's like, oh, you gotta go fight through it. So. But it's worth it because, you know, I came out of that like someone just put me in a rocket ship and fired me up. We did. We're doing some other things, you know, some V cells and.

[Gary Brecker]

Oh, V cells.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, yeah. I love, I love the V cell thing. So we did that as well as some, some personal peptides that, you know, one of the things that we do prior to it is we preemptively, you know, screen the person, make sure they're okay psychologically and physiologically, they're ready to embrace us. They're, you know, maybe doing a little bit of prep beforehand. So they're, you know, on point coming in. And then we have an expert that does some of the analysis and says, okay, here's some of the benefits you could get from doing your drips that week. Plus, you know, we're doing some of the other tools like hyperbarics and all these other things. So just love it. Just get this body prepped for. We're going into inner space. When you go into the brain training, my wife's taking her PhD in neurofeedback.

[Gary Brecker]

And that's the last five days, right?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, my wife's taking it. I'm in this really interesting state. So my wife's taking her PhD in neurofeedback and she's going to university to get this. Meanwhile, she's like, dude, they're not teaching this stuff at the university level. Meanwhile, like, you know, she's seen some of the experiences that we're having is like full on kundalini body things and a massive gamma spike. You know, really, we're off in another dimension, right? And now we've worked up to it. You know, Matt and I have been doing this for a number of years and gone through a variety of the different modalities that are out there because there's this big umbrella of neurofeedback and then under that is modality, and then there is application of expertise. So most of them are basically cookie cutter show you show up, they have a technician, and they run through it. They don't have the expertise to actually isolate the particular elements within your brain and to customize a training program specific to both your opportunities, as well as maybe addressing some of the liabilities they're training you for.

[Gary Brecker]

What are they training you to?

[Matt Gallant]

You start with a brain scan. So the brain scan reveals basically, if you have too much hyperactivity in beta brain waves, for example, anxiety is usually a hyperactivity, and beta brain waves in the prefrontal cortex as an example. But there's a lot of different brain pathologies that show up in that brain scan. And then you build a program to basically start fixing, optimizing those issues because, you know, and then you'll see it in the brain scans. I mean, I've done 12 trainings.

[Gary Brecker]

12.

[Matt Gallant]

I've done this 12 times. Yes. And my brain scans now are, you know, near perfect versus in the beginning, I had all kinds of issues, right? Either hyperactive spots, flat spots, and those show up as personality traits.

[Gary Brecker]

And they show up five intensive days. Like, is there. There's nothing else you do for those five?

[Wade Leithard]

We're all together in a house. We've got all of the therapies coming into the house. We've got a chef in the house. So.

[Matt Gallant]

And then supplement stack would take two tables, like for five.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, this is, this is like for five people, right? It's like going in an F1 race. You're loading up. And they got the pit crews and they got the elements and they got all of that.

[Gary Brecker]

That's awesome.

[Matt Gallant]

We have a world class chef. He was on tour with Beyonce and Jay Z. And of course the food is, you know, as. As great as it gets. But even the supplementation that we use is we basically, when. When I started doing this, we were redlining and we were crashing and burning in different ways, really, whether it was.

[Wade Leithard]

You couldn't push yourself that hard.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, we couldn't. So I'm like, okay, well, let me start optimizing. You know, the nervous system was a big one. Okay. We need more fatty acids, we need ketones. You know, for example, adding 50 grams of ketone esters a day was a game changer. Now we're playing with ketone acids, the next level of ketones. So it's a laundry list of things. We're using certain things that really take BDNF to the pinnacle so that your brain is at. Is as plastic and fertile as possible. And another highly underrated thing is resetting the default mode network because A lot of people are kind of stuck in certain perspectives and mental patterns, but when you really reset your default mode network, it's like, whoa, I'm looking at the world with fresh eyes. And it can start making new decisions and start to see relationships and their life decisions in a fresh way.

[Gary Brecker]

And, you know, it's amazing. You know, in my study of methylation, I found, you know, when you look at certain genetic profiles, like Comti, for example, people are either. They call them warriors or warriors. Right. And it has to do with how fast, how quickly, or how slowly they break down this class of neurotransmitters called catecholamines, these fight or flight neurotransmitters. And as these neurotransmitters rise, you're feeling fear. You might even feel anxiousness, anxiety. You could even have rapid heart rate and pupillary dilation and paranoias. And. And there's nothing necessarily wrong with him versus you. He just has a much higher level of catecholamine. And I. I find that, you know, people with that genetic profile, which my.

[Matt Gallant]

Wife has, I have it too. I'm genetic.

[Gary Brecker]

So are you a worrier or.

[Matt Gallant]

A worrier? But I don't worry. And that's the key point. Right?

[Gary Brecker]

That's what I mean. This would be amazing.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. That's where we have our genes, but then there is the expression of genes, and then obviously we can wire our brains in certain ways just to go a little bit deeper. If we look at the brain from a brainwave perspective, like right now we're in a high beta brainwave state, which is great for focus.

[Gary Brecker]

And we're just alert. And we're alert. Okay. Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

If you slow your brain waves down, usually between like, say 12 to 18 hertz, they call that region like kind of SMR. It's like a flow state. So flow state, you're alert, but you're, you know, you're not as alert as, say, or hyperactive as, you know, 20 hertz to 30.

[Gary Brecker]

Calm, kind of.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, then you get into Alpha, which is 8-12 Hz. So that's Alpha. So now you're calm, but alert. Your heart, you know, if you're in gratitude. And usually when people start meditating, that's the first stage in a lot of ways, like you start calming your brain down and you're feeling. And some of the hacks for that, There's a few hacks if you're meditating. One, if you can activate gratitude experientially, like in your body and your heart, your alpha Brain waves will go up. If you do forgiveness work, you actually do forgive. Your Alpha will tend to explode. If you focus on space, like outer space with your brain, your Alpha will go up. If you visualize, your Alpha crashes, which is interesting. So when your eyes are open versus close, if you close your eyes, your Alpha should double automatically without even doing anything. Then there's the Schumann frequency, which is like between like 7 and 8 hertz, which is interesting. It's kind of hertz frequency. But then you get into Theta, which is like my favorite place. 4-7 Hz. Dispenza has a great expression for that, which is your body's asleep, but your mind's awake. Time dissipates, you don't really sense time anymore, and you merge with the field of consciousness. If you get deep into enough where you're experiencing the field of consciousness, then below that you got Delta. Now Delta, obviously a lot of people have heard about Delta for sleep, but you actually can train Delta. And then you can even train infra low, which is slower than Delta. You can train that too, which is a whole other story. But the Zen master frequencies Gamma, which is above 40 hertz. And you know, when they, when they put electrodes on Zen masters that have been meditating for 25,000 hours, that's their baseline. They've. They've been able to train that, develop that, and function in that. And Wade can attest that Gamma's state of alert.

[Gary Brecker]

Right.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, it's, It's.

[Gary Brecker]

Well, I'll let Wade almost like not just even alertness. That's like an awareness beyond.

[Matt Gallant]

It's beyond.

[Gary Brecker]

It's like when those people are walking in completely dark rooms and they'll walk around objects that they can't see. Or, or they can say, God becomes experiential.

[Matt Gallant]

Exact.

[Gary Brecker]

Exactly. What's on the other side of the wall?

[Matt Gallant]

God becomes experiential. It's no longer a theory or a concept.

[Wade Leithard]

So I've been studying Eastern philosophy a long period of time. In the various yogas and meditation techniques. There's eyes down, eyes up, etc, and the pattern I did is some people call it the microcosmic or get where you're moving energy. So if you were to talk about from the brain frequencies to what you would experience, you know, Theta is like a download into the system. Alpha's like a broadcast across the system. Delta would be like, you know, Darth Vader powers, you know, telekinesis, all that sort of stuff. But Gamma is an organizing principle. So it's an ascending from the Base up through the nervous system into that which is experiential. It can become like a cobra hood. You might have visualizations around that and then some of the deities might appear up. But other than all the visual aspects, which would be relative to your social structure, your religious structure, what you studied, all that element, the sheer amount of energy going through the nervous system is extraordinary. So we could show you some pictures of literally the afferent nerve system isn't able to contain it. And the practice is that you want to hold that into the spine and take it through into the nervous system, which is what they are experimenting experientially describing with the opening of the thousand petal lotus. Which means that all of the energy that is generally being running out into the nervous system to run all of the organ, because we're electrical based beings. That inversion through polarity brings that energy up and through the spine and into the brainstem. And from that now you have for the first time ever, full power in your brain. And it's pulled in through the back of your head. So sometimes, you know, I've gone through the experience of resistance. So when you don't quite have it, you'll start getting resistance here. You might feel a burning sensation. Sensation because you're pulled through polarity, through focus here on an eyes up meditation. So we have ways of unlocking and removing those blockages through different technologies. Then you might get the crown of thorns where you're literally feeling resistance inside of your brain. And then the electrical activity that you can measure on the eg is incredible.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, it explodes to prove it.

[Wade Leithard]

But that's all the. That's all the wonderful stuff. The experience is amazing.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. But it's coming from somewhere. It's being generated. Which, which I still find is so fascinating.

[Matt Gallant]

It is.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, I think part of the problem.

[Gary Brecker]

You have to be pulling from the quantum.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, here's the.

[Gary Brecker]

Here's the.

[Wade Leithard]

Here's the element.

[Matt Gallant]

The.

[Wade Leithard]

We've associated consciousness as being generated from the protoplasm. And that is a convenient separation from source energy.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Because. But if you can't give, even if you just. I don't mean to interrupt you, but it just hit me like the laws of thermodynamics, right. It says that energy can neither be created or destroyed. So I cannot create this energy inside me to, to create this type of EEG reading. So. So I must be drawing upon something.

[Matt Gallant]

Well, we're feeding. That's where the supplement comes in. We're feeding the body a lot of raw materials.

[Gary Brecker]

Got this I mean, where do I get the 10 day experience? Reset, dude. Yeah, it's going to be the biggest seller on my podcast.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, we call it Metamorphosis because there's no word, I think that describes the experience, the transformation, the evolution. I'll give you my favorite testimonial. He's our vice president and he came in and he was ready to leave his girlfriend because she wanted kids and he didn't. He saw his child on day four and now his child's 18 months old.

[Gary Brecker]

He saw the child on day four.

[Matt Gallant]

And that was it. And then like complete transformation from I think I need to leave her to this. I see the future and now he has it.

[Gary Brecker]

And how, and how does he equate the image of his child on day four to his real child?

[Matt Gallant]

I think it's, it is, yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

And I, I've had, I've had the exact, I've had, I had the exact same experience for myself.

[Gary Brecker]

We banged a left turn in this one. Yeah, I mean, I see we've got all the magnesium malate, magnesium aspartate in here.

[Wade Leithard]

Well, these are all, all of these things I think, think are kind of what you're talking about is what is the definition of the ultimate human? We call that process.

[Gary Brecker]

I'm going to ask you that question anyway, so why don't we answer it now?

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah. Well, you are the ultimate human in the aspect that the fact that you exist means by whatever proclamation the reality there's non existence or existence. So the fact that you exist means that you're worthy, you're valuable, and you're this dynamic organism moving through time. Right. That's the protoplasmic experience. And then you can go beyond that. The process that we're engaging in is to optimize that protoplasm so that it can access the full range of the human experience. But there's a level beyond that. That's what metamorphosis is about. Accessing that element that connects everything as one singularity inside of the universe. And once you've stepped through that rocket launch, it felt like everything in life that I've been doing my whole life was leading me to that ultimate experience. And that's a gift. And I don't have to operate from a position of conjecture or ideology. I don't need validation from anybody. I don't need to go to a religion or a sermon or anything. Those are all wonderful and great. And I, I, I'm not against or I'm certainly an advocate of practicing whatever practices you need to get there. But once you get to the. The final pinnacle, and it's like, all you want to do is share that with as many people as possible. And I experienced that in my health journey, and now I've experienced it in my metamorphosis journey. And I'm just grateful more than anything else. Like, gratitude is the number one thing, and then that's also also, you know, juxtaposition with empathy and compassion. Because I see people suffering needlessly all around the world, constantly. I'm bombarded with it. And you have to manage that in that, hey, I could help all these different people. I could transfer these. Like, all they need to do is try. But, you know, you can't force yourself into people saying, I believe in free will.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Very true love.

[Matt Gallant]

Love what you're doing. I mean, we. During COVID we wrote a book called From Sick to Superhuman. So we're on the same journey. You're trying to get people from sick to what most people consider normal health, which, in our opinion is you're just one step away from being sick to, you know, really biologically optimizing health. And then we're all, I think, striving for that impossible ideal of becoming a real superhuman.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

And, you know, what would. How we. How would we define that? Well, maybe superhuman muscle mass or superhuman, you know, low body fast, or superhuman biomarkers. There's superhuman mental performance. And, you know, we're trying to do our best to kind of push all of these to the next level. And, of course, you still have to operate as a human being, as a father, as a husband, as a business owner. So, you know, I think being superhuman in 2025 is okay. Can I. Can I be a good father? Can I be a good husband? Can I take care of my health? Can I improve all of that? Can I be a good CEO and feel good? You know, like, not be freaked out and stressed out. And I think all the things that you're doing that we're doing help people. I mean, look at Dana White.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

You know, he talks about. He feels like he's 15, 20 years younger, can do stuff he just couldn't do.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

And we're struggling to. To do so. I mean, I think that's the other underrated aspect of this whole game, is you can extend your prime by decades.

[Gary Brecker]

Yes.

[Matt Gallant]

Right. You could stay in the game. Like, why retire? I got a friend that's coming out with a book called let's Retire Retirement. You know, and I'm such a believer in that. Like, you know, look, look at longevity. What happens when people retire when they don't have a purpose, they die.

[Gary Brecker]

No.

[Matt Gallant]

And I think the non exchangeable dopamine, the purpose that you get from pursuing something that excites you, that serves the world, I think it, it really energizes the body, keeps us young and you know, doing all the health practices that you're advocating that we, we offer is just transformative.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah.

[Matt Gallant]

Every life.

[Gary Brecker]

I agree too, guys. This is amazing. How does my audience find you? Where can they find out more about you? Where can they find out more about optimizers?

[Matt Gallant]

Go to baptimizers. Try our magnesium, which by the way, we have a 365 day, no questions asked, money back guaranteed.

[Gary Brecker]

Five day.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

And our refund rate is 0.25%.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow.

[Matt Gallant]

Which blows away the industry averages by several orders of magnitude. But try our magnesium breakthrough. Try Massymes, try sleep breakthrough. I think those three are incredible. A lot of people love our, our mushroom product. Mushroom Breakthrough. I use it every morning. I've been transformative.

[Gary Brecker]

What do you put it in?

[Matt Gallant]

I put it in, in coffee. I love it with coffee. Some people like it cold, but you know, the cordyceps gives you a nice energy boost. You kind of get another brain boost from the lion's mane. The Reishi kind of keeps you grounded. And we have chaga in there as well.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow. And you can put it, you're getting.

[Wade Leithard]

Essentially 1.2 pounds, the equivalent of 1.2 pounds of mushrooms in a serving. Because most of the mushroom blends, they don't have enough of the dose to get the effect that research might element. So we use, we use like 100 to 150 to 1 ratios to get those four delivered. And it's, it's, it's one of those things.

[Gary Brecker]

I think I have that in my cabinet. I haven't tried it. So the mushroom devil's in the dose. Devil's in the dose.

[Wade Leithard]

Right.

[Gary Brecker]

But you can mix it with, with coffee.

[Wade Leithard]

Yeah, water, whatever. You can make it, you can make it like warm water if you just like a straight hot chocolate. Or you can mix it with coffee and you can mix it into a protein drink.

[Gary Brecker]

Another one. Okay.

[Matt Gallant]

It's already extracted.

[Gary Brecker]

Okay.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah.

[Wade Leithard]

You do. In a protein drink.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah. Because I'm actually trying to limit my, you know, my coffee now. I don't know coffee has much of an effect on me anymore. It's more of a habit, you know, but, but maybe I'll replace it with the, with the mushroom in the morning and I'll take a little bit of. I'll take a little bit of raw like goat milk. Yeah, put in there too. It's just delicious.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, it's delicious. All right, super excited. Our next big product's gonna be electrolytes. Electrolyte breakthrough coming out this fall. We've been working on it for a while. It's. It's the next level.

[Gary Brecker]

So tell me you're gonna have more than just magnesium, sodium and potassium.

[Matt Gallant]

I think it's 74 minerals.

[Gary Brecker]

Okay, good.

[Matt Gallant]

See, this is what I've been and optimized. With the right ratios of sodium to potassium, everybody's sleeping on potassium. Potassium is the molecule of hydration.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, potassium is a molecule of hydration, but trace minerals are the molecules of efficacy.

[Wade Leithard]

We've been down that for 25.

[Gary Brecker]

I love hearing it.

[Wade Leithard]

We've been on that one for a long, long time. Because they're like, I call them like the radio stations on the dial of life. Here's 101 at this metal. Here's 1, 100. This is country, this is rock, this is R B. This is rap music. You know, this is symphony. And those are free. That's the frequency element. And if you don't have all those minerals, you don't have the full band, you don't have the. You don't have the full dials on the stereo.

[Gary Brecker]

Yeah, because, you know, I find that especially in marketing, you know, a lot of products want to use the. Excuse me. The one that the consumer is going to recognize walking on the shelf. So sodium, magnesium, potassium. They're like, okay, as long as I have those, I've got a really good electrolyte supplement. But you know, the, the truth is that, you know, we need all, all of those. The boring ones, you know.

[Wade Leithard]

Correct.

[Gary Brecker]

Boron, manganese, libdum, silica, you know.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah, they're all co founders.

[Gary Brecker]

Iron. They're all cofactors. Back to that big chart that I was saying.

[Matt Gallant]

That's right.

[Gary Brecker]

Times we are co factor deficient. So I'm, I'm super happy to hear that. What else you got coming?

[Matt Gallant]

I mean we have, we've been working that.

[Gary Brecker]

I don't have that, you guys.

[Matt Gallant]

We just got some hicks too. Amazing. We'll see what the final name is right now. Just call it collagen Breakthrough. But back to what you were saying earlier around, you know, you can consume collagen and there's some good data coming out on that. But with this product, we, we added every single co factor involved in collagen and elastin production. And we just did a trial with two men and two women and one of the women, it looked like she had under eye surgery. It's, it's mind blowing. So that, so that product's coming out probably late this year, early next year. And yeah, we have a deep pipeline of products. This, this guy that's on the couch here, Mr. News, he's, he's an idea machine. He's built the next Gen E Watt, which we can talk about off camera.

[Gary Brecker]

Really? Yeah, I want to hear about that.

[Matt Gallant]

One right off camera. Yeah, like there's so many exciting things coming and we're actually building. Probably one of the coolest things we're building actively right right now is the ultimate sound chair. Have you ever tried a sound chair?

[Gary Brecker]

I have, I've tried a Vemi acoustic chair. So like infrared, near infrared and sound.

[Matt Gallant]

Okay, so we're looking.

[Gary Brecker]

Or a shift wave. I've tried that too.

[Matt Gallant]

Yeah. So we're looking to just create again the next dimension, next level of it and then use it with, in metamorphosis. So now when you're getting that, the feedback from your brain, we want it to be like a full body sonic orgasm. And you know, that's the goal.

[Gary Brecker]

Wow. And is it just sound or is it other?

[Matt Gallant]

Well, it'll be probably just sound. At least a V1. I'm considering also adding a hood. So now we can, you know, basically hijack the visual system along with sound. So we'll see. But yeah, we want to use it in conjunction with neural feedback test.

[Gary Brecker]

This is awesome, guys. Well, so I have a special group I call my VIP group. This is the group that I just pour myself into. So. And I always let them know who's coming on the podcast before they get here and then they get to submit some questions. So we're going to go into this private room now with my VIPs and, and they've got some questions for you guys. Cause they knew that you were coming on. For the rest of you guys, if you're interested in becoming a VIP, just go over to theultimatehuman.com VIP you can sign up to be one of my Ultimate Human VIPs. It's 97amonth. Give you your money back if you don't get tremendous value out of that. This is where we do live. Q&As, private podcasts. I have a 10 month course in there that I was charging $1,700 for that I just gave to my VIPs for free, plus all kinds of discounts. And I will you give? Convince these guys to give me early access to some of these great products that they're working on so I can let you guys try them first. So if you're interested in becoming a VIP, just head over to theultimatehuman.com VIP and otherwise, that's just science.