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213. Rose Ferguson: Q&A on MTHFR Gene Mutation, Autoimmune Disease, Cognitive Decline, & More!
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Gary Brecke
Welcome to the Nutritional Q and A. I'd love you to introduce yourself. I'll introduce myself.
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Rose Ferguson
My name is Rose Ferguson. I am a nutritionist and a functional medicine practitioner. But at heart I'm a clinician.
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Gary Brecke
My absolute favorite thing to do is interact with the audience. I'd love to open it up for some questions. Need to get 150 grams of protein.
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Rose Ferguson
Which I have trouble with. Is it all right to supplement that with protein shakes? If you are going to use protein powder, make sure it's a really good one. Doctor to know your take on nutrition and how it reverse issues like rosacea. Find the driver. What's driving it? Is it stress? Is it gut?
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Gary Brecke
Health, Hydrogen water, proper hydration, 91 essential minerals and having good microbiome.
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Rose Ferguson
My son is at boarding school. I don't have as much control over his nutrition as I'd like to. What are the things you would suggest.
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Gary Brecke
In terms of supplementation? You know, I'm not a big fan of supplementing for the sake of supplementing. I'm a huge fan of supplementing for deficiency.
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Rose Ferguson
I also think a multi mineral is really useful because if they are dodging the veg foreign.
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Gary Brecke
Welcome back to the ultimate human podcast. This one is special recorded live from the Health Experience in London, UK with nutrition expert Rose Ferguson. We sat down for an incredible live Q and A session with the audience to talk about the truth behind modern diets, nutrition myths and what it actually means to eat for health and longevity. Rose brings a wealth of experience from working with everyone from everyday people to elite performers. And she has refreshingly simple approach to food that cuts through all the noise. If you've ever felt overwhelmed by what you eat or how to start, this conversation will help you find clarity and confidence in your nutrition journey. Let's get into it with the amazing Rose Ferguson. Wow. I almost feel like I just should just stay in the seat. I see a lot of familiar faces. Guys. Welcome to the Nutritional Q and A. I'd love for you to introduce yourself. I'll introduce myself and then my favorite thing is we'll open it up for questions.
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Rose Ferguson
Okay? Hi everyone. My name is Rose Perkinson. I am a nutritionist and a functional medicine practitioner. I have a master's in advanced nutrition and research and practice. I'm the founder of our health club and the five Day Plan. But at heart, I'm a clinician. That's what I do. It's the cornerstone of my work. I've been in this for a long time, so I've seen lots of changes and It's a real pleasure to be here.
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Gary Brecke
Yeah. Thank you so much. My name is Gary Brecke. I'm a human biologist, a researcher, biohacker. I was a mortality expert for 22 years, which is a very, very dark part of my career. I see a lot of familiar faces, and my absolute favorite thing to do is to interact with the audience. So why don't we open. It's a nutritional Q and A. I'd love to open it up for some questions about nutrition. Yes, ma'. Am. Nevaeh, do we have a microphone? Or you can just scream and I'll repeat it.
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Rose Ferguson
Hi. I've got a son. Hi. My son is at boarding school. He's a teenager, and I don't have as much control over his nutrition as I'd like to. So what are the top five things you would suggest I should, you know, be giving him to supplement with?
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Gary Brecke
So in terms of supplementation, you know, I'm not a big fan of supplementing for the sake of supplementing. I'm a huge fan of supplementing for deficiency. You can do a genetic methylation test on him, and that will tell you exactly what his body is deficient in, what his body can and cannot methylate, what his body can and cannot break down. And then you can use what's called a methylated multivitamin. I'd really suggest you use mine, but you don't have to. But that is a game changer. And in terms of just basic nutrition, obviously the secret to longevity, and I absolutely want to hear your opinion on this, is eating whole foods. So teaching them the difference between what is a highly processed food and what is a whole food. What's really interesting about processed foods, especially in young children, prepubescent teens, and young children, is eating highly processed foods only changes your palate. It changes your desires. Processed foods are meant to drive the addiction to processed foods. I mean, they are designed to be addictive. In the United States, 74% of our nutritional research is funded by Big food and Big Pharma. We're in the process of getting that corruption out of our nutritional research. I chair Bobby Kennedy's MAHA Action Committee, and our big focus is to actually stop that. But this is why we have a food pyramid that says that Lucky charm is more nutritious than grass fed steak. Does anybody believe that Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass fed steak? Well, that's. Oh, you do. Good. One honest person back there. I just had a bowl of Lucky Charms on the way here, but go ahead.
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Rose Ferguson
Yeah, I Was gonna say it's really difficult. I think also the other thing that I would say around children is relationship with food. You know if you're looking at the long term health of a child's relationship and the way that they eat, their relationship with food which is absolutely skewed by UPFs, it's also making them comfortable to feed because I see so much restriction going on. So that's what I'd be thinking long term. I also think a multi mineral is really useful because if they are dodging the veg in the, in the canteen then their mineral, I mean vegetables are already reduced in mineral content. So I would definitely, I would think about that perhaps and I would do. I wouldn't stress, I wouldn't for you, I wouldn't be stressing about it. They'll be fine. They're really resilient and I would hope that the school are feeding them if they're. I hope that they're making taking time to feed them the best that they possibly can. And then when you have your child back then you can do what you can do. But I wouldn't stress as that you only have so much control and I wouldn't make it, I'd be. Yeah, really looking after. Keeping it positive. I suppose.
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Gary Brecke
Canteen is such an English word.
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Rose Ferguson
Well you know when you say canteen just imagine fish and chicken.
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Gary Brecke
I've drank from a canteen. And just for the record, in the States a canteen is a little tin thing that you keep water in canteen.
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Rose Ferguson
In this country it just sums up ideas of plastic trays going along a line with sort of gray peas, some cold soggy chips.
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Gary Brecke
We would call that a cafeteria.
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Rose Ferguson
Exactly. Cafeteria to everyone who's not British.
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Gary Brecke
Sure. Are there any other questions? Yes sir.
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Rose Ferguson
With my age and the amount of.
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Gary Brecke
Training that I do, you look really fit by the way.
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Rose Ferguson
Thank you very much.
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Gary Brecke
If you guys can't see him, he's very fit.
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Rose Ferguson
I've looked in researched in that I.
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Gary Brecke
Need to get 150 grams of protein.
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Rose Ferguson
Per day which I have trouble with.
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Gary Brecke
Yes.
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Rose Ferguson
So I'm wondering is it all right to supplement that with protein shakes and it if so how much would you.
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Gary Brecke
Suggest to sound entirely self serving but I would supplement that protein equivalent with perfect amino. So for example you can take a scoop of perfect amino or five perfect amino tablets. It is the equivalent of 29 grams of whey protein. So you'd have to consume 29 grams of whey protein to get a single serving of the amino acid equivalent. You would get in a single serving of perfect amino this won't break a fast, so it won't add to your caloric intake. And it's 99% bioavailable. And you're highlighting a problem that a lot of people have. I spoke about this in my last talk. Especially women have a very difficult time meeting their protein equivalent without going over their macros, the total amount of calories that they should consume in a day. Also, a lot of women have a hard time just eating that bulk, bulk of protein. So if I were you, I would take your protein deficiency, equate that to 29 grams of whey, and use that as a measure of how many servings of perfect amino you should take every single day. It will be a game changer for you. I believe that if you're exercising in a fasted state that you have to take something like a perfect amino before you exercise again. Won't add to your chloriquin, will not break your fast, but it will give you the amino acids that you need to keep from metabolizing lean muscle tissue. It doesn't matter how many times you take it during the day. You can take two or three servings in a day. It would be the equivalent of close to 90 grams of whey protein. So if you took 33 servings in a day, even though you're getting no caloric impact, it would be the equivalent of taking in almost 90 grams of whey protein. So if you're trying to avoid the bulk or you're eating in a narrow feeding window, or you have a difficult time meeting your protein equivalent, it's an excellent way to augment that. Because even if you're eating in a narrow feeding window, you're intermittent fasting. You can supplement with perfect aminos outside of that fasted window because it doesn't break a fast most of the time. We define breaking or not breaking a fast as whether or not the liver is involved in metabolizing compounds. So as soon as the liver is engaged, your fast is broken. And the reason why the liver's not engaged is because you're using all nine of the essential amino acids. If you don't have the essential amino acids, your liver can't make them. We can make all of the rest of the amino acids, the 22. The liver can actually take one amino acid and it can actually reformulate it into the non essential amino acids. So your protein equivalent is really driving your need for essential amino acids, the ones that you need to get by food or supplementation, of course. Did you want to also answer that?
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Rose Ferguson
Well, No, I mean, I think people are always surprised that I think protein shakes are. Or protein powders or essential aminos are a really good thing to include. Most people are too busy. You know, let's be realistic. Who actually sits down and has eggs every morning, has time to make a steak at lunch and then do some chicken for dinner? Not every. I don't have time to do that. And I think if you are going to use protein powder of any sort, make sure it's a really good one. But I do also think when it comes to protein, so I think getting a variety of proteins, so using plant proteins, while they're not as bioavailable, they also come with fiber and fibre is also really key. So just adding things in wherever you can, whether it's a few nuts here or, you know, you can just keep adding in and that does nudge the numbers up. But as Gary said, if you're looking at your caloric intake, then that might nudge you over. But I would also argue that calorie intake, when it comes to nuts, a lot of it is not digestible. So, you know, people who get stressed looking at the caloric number on, you know, of nuts, the benefits from the fat and the protein and the fiber are absolutely outweigh the caloric, the calorie count. You know, it's not like eating a Snickers. It's just not Snickers. Do you have peanuts?
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Gary Brecke
The old peanut. Peanut butter. Peanuts are not nuts. Peanuts are legumes. They're seeds. Yeah, it's, it's, it's sad that they're called peanuts because it sounds like they should be a nut, but they're not. They're actually a legume. They're seeds. Peanuts also are one of the highest foods in mold and mycotoxins. So, you know, if you can. I would actually just cut peanuts and peanut butter out of the diet. Nut butters are a much better way to go. You know, if you've ever actually cracked open a peanut shell, you know, and taking the peanuts out and you feel that nice soft, velvety surface on the inside. Okay, that's a mycotoxin. And so, you know, ochratoxin A, aflatoxin A, aflatoxin B. Some, some of the most aggressive mycotoxins that get into the human body enter through peanuts. You know, we eat a lot of nuts in my house and I made the mistake of actually storing them in these big, tall glass containers. I would buy them in bulk and, and, you know, it take days or sometimes even weeks. To eat my way down to the bottom of those. And I did a test called a vibrant wellness test, which is a urine test for mold, mycotoxins, and other things. And I was shocked at how diligent I am with my diet that nearly the whole family had this very specific type of ochratoxin, ochratoxin A and aflatoxin. And I traced it to the. To the peanuts or to the stored nuts. And so now I buy them still in bulk, but just not such a volume at a time, and I dry store them, and it's fine. But, you know, peanuts are just one of those things. They're legumes, they're seeds. They have very, very high lectins, which some people don't do very well with. They can destroy your gut. Lectins are things that actually have. They're almost like bacteria with little spines on them, and they cause micro fissures in the gut. Remember, there's only a single cell layer protecting your inside environment from your outside environment. One cell, one cell layer on the inside lining of your gut. It's very easy to disrupt that single cell layer and develop something called leaky gut. And peanuts are a large cause of that.
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Rose Ferguson
I mean, I have so much leaky gut in my clinic. I'd say that, you know, because it is. It's unbelievable. It's this single cell. And, you know, you think how fragile that is. And it's like alcohol, stress, low sleep, antibiotics, and then also. Yeah, like mycotoxins, they all disrupt and then the symptoms. I think most people, if you haven't done any work on your gut, by the time you get into your 30s, 40s, you probably will be suffering with some sort of IBS, digestive symptoms, aching joints, fatigue, headache, skin issues.
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Gary Brecke
Autoimmune.
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Rose Ferguson
Autoimmune, Exactly. So, you know, I think it's something that really, if you never have, you should start, you know, do something, do a bit of work on your gut. Give your gut some love.
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Gary Brecke
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I mean, we could go down all down. The gut microbiome and the gut pathway. But, you know, what's fascinating is, years ago, I read a book called by Dr. Perlmutter. It was called Grain Brain. He wrote another one called Gut Brain Connection. And it really, really opened my eyes to the science between the connectivity between the gut and the brain, the gut and the skin, the gut and autoimmune conditions. I talked extensively about this in another one of my lectures. But, you know, 85% of all autoimmune disease, all the Entire category of autoimmune, whether it's multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, Hashimoto's chagrins, all of these autoimmune diseases that we believe are life sentences. Right. Once you have the autoimmune, you have to subscribe to a lifetime of medication because there's nothing you can do about it. 85% of these are idiopathic. They are of unknown origin. And I don't believe that anything is idiopathic in the human body. We may not know the origin, but they're not idiopathic. And the vast majority of these, if you trace back to the first domino that fell, it had a gut related issue, mainly related to leaky gut. You know, the things that are inside of the intestinal tract, inside the luminal area of your intestine, are external to your body. They're meant to be outside of the body. Yes, that tract runs through your body, but it's meant to keep things external from your internal environment. And so when that gets disrupted and it leaks, 70% of our immune system is sitting right here. Why is 70% of our immune system surrounding our gut? Because that's where all the action is. And when your immune system is in a low grade fight for a prolonged period of time, it perverts, it perverts its function, it loses focus and it leads to the genesis of so many autoimmune diseases. So it's hard to even describe.
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Rose Ferguson
Yeah, 100%.
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Gary Brecke
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Rose Ferguson
Thank you so much. So my question, I spoke to Rose yesterday about this, but I'd love to know your take on nutrition and how it could perhaps reverse issues like rosacea.
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Gary Brecke
Great question. Do you want to take it first?
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Rose Ferguson
Well, we spoke about it yesterday. I was talking about low grade inflammation and just that, you know, and think. And I said to you, find the driver. What's driving it? Is it's stress? Is it gut health? So, yeah, I Think so. We talked about it yesterday. You want Gary's idea, don't you?
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Gary Brecke
I think so. I think rosacea, like so many other skin conditions, eczema, psoriasis, you know, it's. It's interesting when you. When you start to look at the research on a lot of these conditions, you find very specific strains of gut bacteria are absent. So, for example, in more than 80% of the autistic population, there are two specific strains of gut bacteria that are absent in their gut. It's not 100% of the time, but it's very, very consistent. Very high correlation between gut bacteria and. And autism. The. The actual makeup of the flora. And this is also true in eczema and psoriasis, because the skin is not just a barrier, it's also a gateway. You know, a really good rule of thumb is don't put it on your skin if you wouldn't eat it. It's hard to stick to that rule, but it's a good way for us to think about the kinds of things that we're applying. Rosacea in particular, which is microvascular circulation, subdermal layer of the skin, it has to do with something called vasomotor circulation. It has to do with the venules and the capillary. It's usually related to a lack of drainage, which means that it's not draining because it's inflamed. If you think that the vast majority of the vasculature in the human body is as small or smaller than a human hair, we've talked about this, too. 70% of your circulation and is not done by your heart. The entirety of the circulation, from the subdermal layer of your skin to the dermal layers that go all the way up and feed the dermal layer of the skin, which is right below the seven layers of dead skin, none of that has any pressure in it. So it is actually not done by our heart. It's done by this activity called vasomotor. So things like hydrogen water, proper hydration, all 91 of the essential minerals, and having a really, really good microbiome are excellent ways to address rosacea. And for that matter, eczema and psoriasis, these are internal issues manifesting in the skin.
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Rose Ferguson
Do you think cold, hot and cold contrast therapy would be good?
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Gary Brecke
I think hot and cold contrast therapy is amazing. Right, because hot and cold contrast therapy, you know, vasodilates and vasoconstrict, you know, we don't think about exercising our vascular system, but the vast majority of our Vascular system is muscular. So there's three types of muscle in the body, right? We have smooth muscle, we have skeletal muscle, we have cardiac muscle. Cardiac is only in the cardiac muscle. It's only in the heart. But smooth muscle is what lines 63,000 miles of blood vessel in your body. And this is a three layered tier of muscles that are crisscrossed over each other. They vasodilate and they vasoconstrict. If they couldn't vasodilate or vasoconstrict, you couldn't move blood around 70% of your body. I always liken this to a snake swallowing a mouse. And so anything that helps vasomotor circulation is going to be really, really good for your skin. Including. Including rosacea. So what are the things that help vasomotor circulation? Red light therapy, contrast therapy, hot and cold therapy, hydrogen gas, minerals, hydration. You know, so many of us are so chronically dehydrated that we've actually lost the sensation of thirst. So the body has a really interesting way sometimes of signaling when it's in trouble. And one of the ways that it signals that it's in trouble is it stops signaling, right? So if you've ever known somebody who's about to have a heat stroke, they actually get cold to the touch and they stop sweating. If you've actually ever gone to a restaurant and you've gotten to the restaurant and you're voraciously hungry when you get there, so you order everything on the menu, and by the time the food comes out, you're not even hungry anymore. Like, how did that happen? Because when your blood sugar is falling, you get very hungry. Once your blood sugar has fallen, you are no longer hungry. So the body has ways of protecting yourself. When we used to forage for food, if you couldn't find food, it would shut off the sensation for hunger. The same thing happens in chronic dehydration. You know, if you can go an entire day without your body reminding you to drink, that is a sign of chronic dehydration. I know so many people that can go a whole day. She's pointing at her girlfriend.
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Rose Ferguson
She's like, right here, there is so many people. I was just telling her they don't drink at all. And you know why lots of them stop drinking? Is because they don't want to go to the loo.
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Gary Brecke
The loo?
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Rose Ferguson
They don't. The loo.
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Gary Brecke
The canteen. Is the loo near the canteen, or is it like on the opposite side of the canteen?
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Rose Ferguson
Like, this is the English Colloquially, the. The bathroom.
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Gary Brecke
Yeah, the bathroom, yeah. By the way, when you guys do business deals here, it's called a scheme. We put people in prison for schemes in the United States. So I'm just getting used to the whole English way of talking.
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Rose Ferguson
New canteen scheme. Yeah, I would take that as a scheme.
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Gary Brecke
Yes, ma'. Am.
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Rose Ferguson
Thank you. Hi.
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Gary Brecke
For people on a vegan diet, there's.
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Rose Ferguson
The obvious ones that things to think.
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Gary Brecke
About that people always talk about. Is there anything that both of you.
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Rose Ferguson
Have that you would love to kind of put out there as things that, that I, we could be thinking about?
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Gary Brecke
Absolutely, yeah.
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Rose Ferguson
I think if you're doing plant based, I also, in my experience, I've very rarely seen someone doing it. Well, if you're going to be plant based, you need to know what you're doing and it is all about preparation because if you. Yeah, just to maintain those levels, it's particularly. Protein is particularly tricky. Sourcing it when we're talking about the, the provenance of where you're getting your nuts from, your legumes, your soy, you know, what are you eating to get that protein in? So I would just be really well read in how to do plant based diet properly. And the other thing I would be really, really, really steer well clear of is any of those processed plant foods with a green thing that look healthy. They are, I honestly feel like they're evil because they say they're really healthy and they are really. At least when you buy haribos, you know, you're buying sweets or candy. See, I'm getting there. Yeah, but when you, when you buy the plant based world of processed ready meals is evil. You know, I honestly think that because it is pretending to be healthy and see, I start ranting about it, but I think if you're going to be vegan, you really need to be very well prepared.
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Gary Brecke
I would agree with that. I think that the notion that just because it's not meat that it's healthy is a really misconceived notion in veganism. Vegetarianism, I don't have any problem with either one of those. But if you're vegan, it's super important to include things like shelled hemp seeds, for example. That's one of the highest protein concentration vegan foods that you can eat 10 grams of protein for every single gram of carbohydrate, really high on omega 3 fatty acids, or the right ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acids, which is also difficult for vegans. And also, you know, when you talk about veganism, you know Beer is vegan, so is wheat, hops, barley, rye, vegan. So a lot of the most highly modified, genetically modified crops in the world and the most highly sprayed crops in the world, glyphosate paraquat insecticides are sprayed on, I would say vegan friendly foods. So just to be cautious about the amount of grains, cereals, wheat, hops, barley, rye flour that you eat, that is processed. If I was a vegan, and I would never be vegan, but if I was, I would be really, really cautious about my source of grains. I would make sure that the grains are non fortified, non enriched and that they're also non gmo. You know, we, we modified these crops to make them resistant to glyphosate, right? We didn't modify them to increase their nutritional density or to increase the yield of crops, or we modified them so that the poison wouldn't kill the plant. And when we modified these plants, we genetically modified them in a way that makes them very, very difficult to digest. So to pull nutrients out of genetically modified crops is sometimes very, very difficult. And so it's a very highly, genetically modified and highly processed area of food production. So that would, that would be another caution of mine.
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Rose Ferguson
And actually it's true because people who are plant based solely are very carbohydrate, very carbohydrate heavy, and I'm not anti carbs at all. But if you're having like pasta every night, which is the classic, isn't it? I have, what do you eat? They're having pasta. And this is what I mean. You have to really make sure you're getting the variety and not relying on grains because as Gary just said, they are heavily processed, they are not as nutritionally dense as they should be. So it's all about sourcing.
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Gary Brecke
Yes, ma'.
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Rose Ferguson
Am.
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Gary Brecke
Thank you.
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Rose Ferguson
I've been seeing quite a lot of research around like gluten in general and.
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Gary Brecke
How regardless of whether you have an.
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Rose Ferguson
Intolerance or not, it's bad for you and like bad for your digestion. So I just wanted to hear your thoughts on that and I'll just do a two in one. Also, any, any thoughts about kind of people with ADHD kind of nutrition and the impact that can have.
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Gary Brecke
Oh, you just hit a sweet spot for me right there. But you want to take that first with the gluten.
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Rose Ferguson
You go for it.
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Gary Brecke
So, so, you know, first on the gluten thing, you know, you know what's, what's really interesting about gluten is gluten's been around for Centuries. Gluten allergies are relatively recent. You know, gluten sensitivity. Gluten allergies are relatively recent. The incidence of celiac disease has skyrocketed parabolically. And you have to ask yourself, do we suddenly become allergic to a protein? Gluten is a protein. Do we suddenly become allergic to a certain protein in our diet? Just out of nowhere did just this massive population become allergic to gluten? And I think the answer is no. I think what we've become allergic to are what is in gluten laden foods. And so very often gluten laden foods have, are treated and sprayed with folic acid. They're fortified or enriched. Fortified or enriched foods are foods that are actually sprayed with the chemical folic acid. You hear me talk about this all the time. Folic acid is not a natural nutrient. It does not occur naturally in nature. You cannot find folic acid anywhere in nature or anywhere on the surface of the earth. We make it in a laboratory and then we spray it on our food supply and we call that enriched or fortified with attention deficit disorder. Especially enriched. And fortified foods can be like cocaine for a six year old. It will make their mind race. Right? Because the vast majority, not the vast majority, about 46% of the population can't process folic acid at all. Folic acid is in nearly all gluten based foods. So the curiosity to me is, are we having a parabolic rise in gluten allergies or actually are we having parabolic rise in gluten containing foods that are highly processed? And my, my impetus would be the latter. And the reason why I say that is true gluten allergies, true celiac allergies are relatively rare. Gluten allergies are massive. And so the actual disease of not being able to process gluten is rare. But the sensitivity to gluten is profound. And so the, the idea that we just became sensitive to this protein, which has been around for centuries, all of a sudden in modern day society, you know, the big data would say it's something that modern day society is doing to the food that the gluten is not. And so this has to do with how it's processed. So I would avoid fortified or enriched foods with regard to attention deficit disorder. I'm just going to plug my gene test. You should do a genetic methylation test or whoever's suffering from ADHD should do a genetic methylation test. Because this is not an attention deficit disorder. It's an attention overload disorder. It is too Many windows open at the same time. It's an inability to successively break down thought at the same pace that we create thought, which creates a very clouded mind.
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Rose Ferguson
Yeah, I mean on the gluten front as well because of the way it's even farmed, like you know, dwarf wheat, it's not the same gluten that we were eating. And also the nutrients in those grains, it's like it doesn't even have the nutritional value that it used to have. And on top of that, when I see people and they say, yeah, but I feel better because I've cut out gluten, I'm like, yeah, but what have you actually cut out? You've cut out cake, sausages, crappy bread, crackers, burgers, crackers. The food stuffs that you have cut out are also not particularly positive. And so when you cut out the gluten, you remove that food, those sort of foods from your world, you're going to feel better. But I do think, I definitely think the gluten, just because of the grains we're eating now that as you say, so processed, that's what causes the issue, not so much the gluten. Which is why some people who absolutely swear that they cannot eat gluten, you'll see them having a bit of sourdough with butter and they're okay because you know, the, the way that, you know, sourdough is fermented so the bacteria do a bit of the work for you before it gets cooked. And so yeah, and the other thing is that actually in theory, everybody should be able to tolerate gluten. It's protein, we should be able to break it down. So if it's something that's come, has, is new, what's changed? And do you need to cut, you know, going back to things like leaky gut, do you need to do a bit of work on your gut and then try reintroducing it. But I mean I, to be honest, I cut, I don't cut it. I don't like cutting food groups out, but it is a good one to remove. And people suddenly feel clear headed, they feel they don't have digestive issues so much. So it's worth experimenting on your, you know, you can remove it and see how you feel.
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Gary Brecke
It's interesting if you look at broad epidemiological studies like countries like Russia where it's actually felony to grow genetically modified foods. So if you grow genetically modified crops in Russia, you'll go to prison. In the United States, we genetically, genetically modify the vast majority of our our crops again, so they can be resistant to glyphosate, paraquat and other insecticide and pesticides. And so, you know, I think a lot of this has to do with the chemical laden nature of these foods and not necessarily with the protein itself. You know, so it's like we, we spend a lot of time blaming the butter for what the bread did.
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Rose Ferguson
Yeah, right.
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Gary Brecke
Did you have a question? Right here in the middle. Yes, sir. Malia's getting her exercise today. Thank you. I've done your 10x gene test. Just last week.
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Rose Ferguson
No, couple of weeks ago. And thanks to Dana White for promoting you actually. So the first gene came out compromised.
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Gary Brecke
And I would like to hear from you what exactly is going on? Yeah, so you're talking about the mthfr. That's the one, yes. Affectionately called the motherfucker gene. Can I say motherfucker from the stage? We've said canteen Lou and so we can say motherfucker. It stands for methylene tetrahydrofolate reductase. Just so you know. The MTHFR gene mutation is one of the most common gene mutations in the world. About 46% of the population, men and women, and have this gene mutation. It is an inability to methylate, to break down, to process folic acid and to a lesser extent, folate. And while that doesn't sound like a big deal, folic acid is the most prevalent nutrient in the human diet now because of fortification and enrichment. And if you have an inability to break down the most prevalent nutrient in the human diet, not only does this accumulate in the blood, you have a deficit efficiency in what your body needs, which is called methylfolate. The fascinating thing about this gene mutation is it is the worst gene mutation to have, but the easiest gene mutation to fix. Supplementation with methylfolate or folinic acid can completely return this gene impact to zero. It can neutralize the MTHFR gene mutation three days ago or four days ago. Now, the US FDA actually just approved a prescription strength of folinic acid for the first time for autism and for postpartum depression. I find it really interesting that we are prescribing the methylated form of folate to treat postpartum depression, which is caused by the folic acid that we give to pregnant women. So 90% of OBGYNs when a woman gets pregnant will tell you you need to take high doses of folic acid because that prevents neural tube defect. That's patently false. If your body cannot convert folic acid into methylfolate, it will not Only not prevent a neural tube defect. It will exacerbate anxiety, depression, anxiousness, postpartum depression. My sincere belief is that the vast majority of postpartum depression is directly linked to the prenatal vitamin. Because the onset, by the way, postpartum depression onsets during pregnancy, not after pregnancy, even though it's called postpartum depression. And if you, if you look at the incidence of, if you look at the research, for example, since we. Everybody loves research, there are virtually zero studies, peer reviewed clinical trials linking elevated pregnancy hormones to postpartum depression. So why does so many pregnant women get postpartum depression? The vast majority of them had the MTHFR gene mutation and took high doses of folic acid. So the long and short of it is folic acid is your enemy. You want to cut out fortified or enriched foods, eat the organic version of those foods, and supplement with something called methyl folate to neutralize that gene. Hey, guys, let me tell you about one of my favorite new hydration drinks. Now, this is for distance athletes, hits, cardio exercisers, people that sweat a lot or exercise intensely. And a game is a hydration drink. It has eight essential vitamins. It has all of the electrolytes, the entire suite of B vitamins. Before you freak out and read that, it has 21 grams of sugar, which it does. The sugar is coming from natural cane sugar and honey, my preferred mechanisms for getting glucose into the blood during intense exercise. It also has natural flavors, but these natural flavors don't come from bacterial fermentation. They actually come from real citrus fruits. And the color is from vegetable juice, not artificial dyes. So next time you're looking for a great hydration drink and you're exercising intensely, a game is your choice. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast.
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Rose Ferguson
I mean, I think, if anyone, I think that's good. I mean, wouldn't, you know, without even testing, I would say you should always take a methylated B. Oh, yeah, Yeah.
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Gary Brecke
I think you should always take.
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Rose Ferguson
If anybody is taking B complex or a B9 or B12, I would always take a methylated version. Just so you. Just in case you don't know, as Kerry said, it's really. How many, what's the percentage of people?
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Gary Brecke
46.
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Rose Ferguson
Yeah.
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Gary Brecke
Yeah. You know, it's a lot of times, you know, things start with good intentions. We wanted to, you know, people had a folate deficiency, so we created a synthetic version called folic acid. A lot of people had B12 deficiencies, so we created a synthetic form of B12 called cyano cobalamin, which by the way is also a nutrient you should never put in your body. If you spin your supplements or your protein powders, your energy drinks around and they says cyano cobalamin, throw that in the trash. Right? Cyanocobalamin is a cyanide based form of B12. Yes. We take hydrogen cyanide, hydrogen cyanide, we bind it to the cobalt metal, which is B12. When you put that in the body, it's called cobalamin. Cyanocobalamin is cyanide and cobalt metal combined to make B12. Cyano Cobalamin. If you actually looked at the patents that protect manufacturing, that manufacture cyanocobalamin, their patent is on extracting the hydrogen cyanide from human sewage. I used to show these patents on, on previous talks that I would do stage talks that way I would actually just show the cyanocobalamin patent because if, if you want to make something really inexpensively, you take waste from another industry and you use that as your raw material. So if somebody is discarding something and you have a zero cost of product, that's, that's, that's the panacea for profitability. And so cyanocobalamin is virtually, it costs nothing to produce. And we mine the hydrogen cyanide from human sewage. It's called sludge. It's actually the discarded waste product from human sewage treatment plants. And then we take that hydrogen cyanide, bind it to the cobalt metal, call it cyanocobalamin. The body can't use cyanocobalamin. The first thing that your body will do is cleave the, the hydrogen cyanide molecule off, break off the metal, the cobalt metal, and it will take that cobalt metal and it will put it into a physiologic transaction. Very necessary. B12 is a metal, by the way, like zinc and magnesium. It's not a, it's not a vitamin, it's a light metal. And then you're left with a high floating cyanide molecule. So how does that exit the body? How does cyanide get out of the body? Well, it takes zinc and magnesium and carries it out of the body. So just imagine like inviting somebody over for dinner and you have a nice dinner and then before you leave, they go in your closet, they take your purses, they take your watches, take the cash out of the safe and they leave. That's what we do. We invite these thieves into our body and they steal on the way out.
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Rose Ferguson
That's great. Such a good way of explaining It's.
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Gary Brecke
A really nasty analogy, but at least you won't eat cyanocobalamin anymore. Yes, sir. All the way in the back.
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Rose Ferguson
Hi. My question is hair loss.
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Gary Brecke
A lot of lately my clients complain about that. And also alopecia and benefits of exosomes.
- [38:43]
Rose Ferguson
And red light therapy for hair loss. For alopecia. I suppose, again, the question is, what's driving it? Is it for you, your clients? Oh, okay. Because I was going to say there are things. Thyroid's a really common one that I see in my clinic. Thyroid stress is a really common one. And then I would say red light is quite useful for it. Alopecia is difficult. What do you. I find alopecia on? If I'm being honest, I find alopecia complicated. So I work with the whole body and. But I don't treat alopecia directly because I. I honestly find difficult. So I'm glad to hear what you say. But hair loss, I look at thyroid usually.
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Gary Brecke
Yes. So alopecia, which is commonly called diffuse alopecia, is actually a maternally inherited gene predisposition. So you inherit it from your maternal side, not your paternal side. So if your mom's brothers are bald, watch out. So you can actually blame your mother for this one because it's carried on the maternal gene. So that's diffuse alopecia. But in the absence of the genetic inheritance, the predisposition for alopecia. So my mom's brothers are bald. So I have a natural hair thinning. The worst thing that you can do is propecia finasteride. Right. Because a second leading cause of alopecia in men is something called dht, dihydry testosterone. So DHT is what binds to the hair follicle, eventually chokes it out, makes it thinner, thinner and thinner, and it eventually causes the hair follicle to die. What's interesting about the hair follicles is they take about 10 years to die to become necrotic, meaning they can't be brought back, but they're dormant for over a decade. So very often exosome treatments applied to the scalp can actually restore the hair that you had 10 years prior. Going back more than 10 years is virtually impossible because now those follicles have become necrotic. But also the idea of suppressing a normal hormone in the human body, dihydrotestosterone, for the exchange of getting hair, because the byproduct of that is impotence and erectile dysfunction. So most of us want healthy hair so we can get a nice chick and then we get the chick. And then the plumbing's not working right. So it sort of like defeats the whole purpose. It's like, you know, I want to meet a nice lady at the bar, so I need a nice thick head of hair. And I got a thick head of hair and nothing's going on south of the border, right? So, so instead of using propecia or finasteride, which will crush your level of DHT to stop it from binding to the hair follicle, you can do things like exosome treatment or you can apply these topically. They make liquid finasteride which can be applied topically, is very effective for alopecia in men and in women. I would also encourage women not to take finasteride, especially orally. There's all kinds of hormonal dysregulation that occurs when you take these pharmaceuticals. But applying it to the scalp allows a high concentration to get to the follicle, stop the DHT from binding, and very little of it enters the serum of the blood. So you don't have the hormonal consequences. You're welcome. Yes, sir. What's the difference in your recommendations for someone who wants longevity versus someone who's sports performance? So you've got like an endurance athlete and the carbohydrate intake they might need.
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Rose Ferguson
Would differ from someone who's just purely got longevity goal.
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Gary Brecke
So I think the performance versus longevity equation is an interesting one, right? I mean, because there are many things that we can do to borrow from our future. And if you borrow from your future, you get present day return, but you have a future consequence. So I see this all the time. You know, as I said in the previous talk, I'm, I, I'm the health services director for the NFL Alumni Association. So we have 22,000 athletes in our organization. I know exactly what happens when athletes that desperately need to perform borrow from their future. They take exogenous growth hormone, they take exogenous anabolic steroids and they perform incredibly well. You know, sorry to bust anybody's bubble, but you're not 265lbs and running a 4440 unless you are supplementing with exogenous support. And so lots of things borrow from our future. We do this to our skin in the forms of chemical peels, retinol and other kind of chemical compounds that give us a short term benefit but for a long term consequence. So if your focus is on longevity, then I think that you should be exercising for longevity, lifting heavy weights, but not doing compound movements. Like for example, I used to love CrossFit. And I actually owned a CrossFit gym. I have no problem with heavy weight and I have no problem with speed. I have a problem with speed and heavy weight. Deadlifting for time with a 400 meter sprint in between. Those are just recipes for disaster. So a longevity protocol would follow the big data, right? Whole food diet focused on sleep, really focused on your community, your relationships, the depth of your relationships. Looking at things like the Harvard study, the longest longevity study ever done on the planet, which said that the actual depth of the relationships that you have determine your life expectancy. I'm a deep believer in that. The whole front row is filled with my family. I take my family everywhere. I have just a deep, meaningful relationship with my family and so I like to keep them in close proximity. But I actually forgot your question. I'm just rambling, so. Sorry, sorry. Why don't you just answer it?
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Rose Ferguson
I'm just loving your.
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Gary Brecke
What did he say? Longevity. And then I started thinking about my wife and now I'm like, I think I'm all lost.
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Rose Ferguson
I think when you, if you've got an endurance athlete, you need a lot of carbohydrates.
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Gary Brecke
Yeah.
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Rose Ferguson
Like blockage, storage.
- [44:29]
Gary Brecke
Yes.
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Rose Ferguson
And, but your program is more about fasting. It's more about, it's how do you get the correct amount of carbohydrates to.
- [44:37]
Gary Brecke
Be perform at high level in a.
- [44:39]
Rose Ferguson
Endurance sports, but also do it in.
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Gary Brecke
A way that's healthy. And that's a great question. So you know, when you talk about endurance athletes, there's a, there's a difference. Right. Because it's all about intake and utilization. Right. So when, when intake meets utilization, you have homeostasis. When intake exceeds utilization, you have imbalance. And so I'm not a fan of very high carbohydrate diets because I actually don't live a high carbohydrate lifestyle. I do do intense exercise, but in very short periods of time, you know, hits cardio exercise for me is 20 minutes. And so your utilization matches your intake. Most people eat excessive carbohydrates, but they actually don't have the energy expenditure to burn those carbohydrates. It is absolutely necessary for performance athletes to take in high doses of carbohydrates. It's very, very hard to be a ketogenically powered endurance athlete. Athlete. It's virtually impossible. Lance Armstrong tried it for a while and it was a disaster. So in, in performance athletes using high glycemic carbohydrates, right. Prior to enduring performance, you Know, is almost a must. But for the average, for most of us that are not endurance athletes, you know, if our intake exceeds our utilization, we have issues. You know, we talked about this before. You know, people that live at altitude, for example, have a tendency to have longer life expectancy. Why would living in less oxygen give you a longer life expectancy? Because your oxygen intake meets your oxygen utilization, so you have less oxidative stress.
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Rose Ferguson
Yeah, I mean, it's really true. When you're doing endurance, you know, you have to refuel and, you know, you have to feel correctly for your muscles to work. You need the glycogen in the muscles for it to work. So it's exactly that. It's what you said. It's input and output, and they should balance. So. And I think, and I also think actually there are periods in people's lives when endurance is good. It sort of pushes the body. And I think then. But I. If, like anything, if you do it to the max for a long time, then it starts to blunt that long, you know, that health span, potentially. But I think for. For some people, and at different periods of life, you know, endurance is easier to do. Oh, sorry.
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Gary Brecke
Okay, we got a couple more minutes left. Let's get. Yes, ma'. Am. Right here in the front.
- [46:58]
Rose Ferguson
Thank you. My question was about Alzheimer's and dementia. So my mum's got Pick's disease and she's had it. She's towards the end of her life. But going forward, I'm trying to. I'd like to know your thoughts about, you know, inheriting. Inheriting this and how you can potentially prevent it or, you know, avoid it through diet.
- [47:24]
Gary Brecke
There are some genetic predispositions to early onset cognitive decline, specifically Alzheimer's, and some predispositions for dementia and even Parkinson's. But your genes are not your destiny. And we know now that Alzheimer's is type 3 diabetes. It's insulin resistance in the brain. In fact, if you Google type 3 diabetes, you'll see that that is Alzheimer's. And the brain is crack addicted to insulin. Insulin, Right. And so most people. I mean, sorry, it's crack addicted to sugar. Most people don't realize this, but it's not just the pancreas that makes insulin. The brain also makes its own insulin. And it is such a voracious utilizer of. Of insulin. I forget the percentage, but it's a vast percentage of the. Of the carbohydrate in your body is actually utilized by the brain when you have high glycemic profile, high blood sugar. And high insulin over a prolonged period of time. What this leads to is something called neurofibrillary tangles. Neurofibrillary tangles eventually lead to something called amyloid plaques, which are plaques that build up in the neurosynaptic junction. They impede the communication between nerves. It's a complete fallacy that people that have Alzheimer's or dementia are losing their memory. They're not losing their memory. They are losing access to their memory. And access can be restored. At no time is the hippocampus actually losing its memory. It's losing access. It's losing the communication to prefrontal cortex and the rest of the brain. And so we call this memory loss, but it's actually not memory loss. If you've actually known somebody that has Alzheimer's, if you had that misfortune. In all stages of Alzheimer's, even the most advanced stage of Alzheimer's, there's times where they do things called sputtering. So you've walked into the room 15 or 20 times, you're their only child, they didn't even recognize you. They don't remember anything. They have flat affect, they have a blank stare. And then all of a sudden they talk to you and they say something so cognizant, they'll say, do you remember that day that we took the boat out and we caught that fish and Aunt Betty was with us and, you know, and we went back and we had a drink at this place and we went back to the house and you're just. Your mind is blown because for that moment, there's such clarity and such cognizance. It shows you that the memory is still there. The pathway to the memory is, is, is what we need to regain access. So if I had a predisposition to Alzheimer's, dementia, or any early form of cognitive decline, which is eventually a neuroinflammatory disorder, I would actually highly focus on keeping my glycemic profile as low as possible. I would really focus on being insulin sensitive, not being insulin resistant. I would try to keep my hemoglobin A1C, the three month average of my blood sugar below 5.2. And I would really focus on keeping my insulin in the single digits. So you can do that through a myriad of ways, controlling your carbohydrate intake, intermittent fasting, because that is what is going to extend brain health and keep your cognitive function as long, long as possible. Listen, there's what I share on this podcast, and then there's what I share with my inner Circle. If you've been following me for a while, you know how I hold nothing back here but my VIP community. That's where the real magic happens. Picture this. You're struggling with energy crashes, brain fog, or just feeling like you're not operating at your peak and you don't know where to get real answers. But here's what really sets this apart. You're not just getting my insights. When I have incredible guests on the podcast, VIP members get to submit questions for a private podcast segment. So that world renowned expert we just interviewed, you get exclusive access to their knowledge, tailored to your specific situation. This section is under the private podcast section in the Ultimate Human Community. And speaking of exclusive, you're getting my personal protocols, the exact tools I use for water fasting, gut optimization, and morning routines that have taken me decades to perfect. This isn't theory. This is what works in the real world. The community launches challenges throughout the year where you get direct access to me and my network of experts. It's like having a personal health advisory board for less than $100 a month. Your health is your wealth, and this investment pays dividends for Life. Join the VIP community at the ultimatehuman.com forward/vip and step into your ultimate potential. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast.
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Rose Ferguson
I mean, I think fasting is really key here and making sure you take breaks in between food, because if you're eating, grazing, snacking is such a. It's an epidemic. It's crazy. And what that does is it keeps your blood glucose up, that keeps your insulin up, and it never comes back to baseline. So in order to get that insulin sensitivity, keep your eating window tight, whether that's 10 hours, 8 hours, 12 hours. But then in between the meals, really don't graze. It's a mind over matter thing. You don't need to graze. If you're having complete meals, you won't need to graze. And the other thing that I would say is sleep, getting that lymphatic reset, you know, so if sleep is really poor, you know, because that's where the plaque is, can build up if you're not getting proper sleep. So really trying to clear those plaques out when you're having a good glymphatic reset. So prioritize sleep.
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Gary Brecke
Very high correlation between sleep deprivation and early onset Alzheimer's. You know, Ronald Reagan used to brag about only getting five and a half hours of sleep a night. And we know what happened to Ronald Reagan. Margaret Thatcher used to brag about only getting Five hours of sleep a night and we know what happened to Margaret Thatcher. So I'll end by saying something that's very, very controversial. But this is, it's going to be very controversial. But I will tell you this. I am as resolute and certain of this from the big data in the mortality research that we did for 22 years. And we developed something called the variable basic table, which is the table that's used to predict all life expectancy now. So all annuities, all life insurance, reverse mortgages is based on this mortality table. In this mortality table, we use no randomized clinical trials. We used no clinical data from, from big Pharma. We didn't study chemicals, synthetics or pharmaceuticals. We actually studied big data on death and disease process. And there is an enormous correlation between the use of statins and early onset cognitive decline, Alzheimer's and dementia. I'm not a physician, I am not licensed to practice medicine, so I can't give medical advice. But if someone I knew or loved had a predisposition to Alzheimer's, I wouldn't not allow them to be on a statin drug. Very often what you will see within the immediacy of a few weeks of stopping statin medication is a return of the cognitive function, like a light switch went on. And it's very controversial because we have not studied purposefully, in my opinion, very corruptly, we have not studied the long term impact of statin use on cognitive function. But you see an increase in amyloid plaques, an increase in neurofibrillary tangles, an increase in neurodegenerative disorders, a decrease in memory, a decrease in focus and concentration. The vast majority of the brain is made up of cholesterol. Cholesterol is manufactured by the liver. It is not a toxic compound. In the human body, in order for cholesterol to be toxic, something has to cause it to be toxic. It has to be oxidized. Cholesterol on its own is not dangerous. Driving it down into the low double digits is what we found in big data one of the leading causes of the parabolic rise in Alzheimer's. A lot of people are going to know, are going to find that very controversial. I've had many, many, many an argument with a physician about that. But I will tell you that is patently true. And in another 10 years, the clinical research through artificial intelligence. So we'll prove that. Okay, so one more question. Yes, ma'. Am. First of all, I love this audience because I say really controversial stuff and nobody gets up and walks out. I Literally have doctors like get up and walk out of my.
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Rose Ferguson
The thing with the statins thing too is that the data does show that when you look at who it actually works for, when it's been prescribed, when you take out all the things, you get down to N1 in 25,000 or something. You know, it actually is if you go and look even for treating high cholesterol, doesn't it? It's a very peculiar one. And I can, if that's not, you know, and that, you know, that's what the data shows and I'm not a physician either, but you go and have a look and it's really interesting that it's the most prescribed pharmaceutical might have.
- [55:40]
Gary Brecke
Something to do with the fact that it's a trillion dollar industry.
- [55:42]
Rose Ferguson
Yeah, maybe that's.
- [55:44]
Gary Brecke
I'm just throwing that out there.
- [55:45]
Rose Ferguson
Yeah, it's possible, yeah.
- [55:47]
Gary Brecke
Yes.
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Rose Ferguson
So you've mentioned yesterday that you don't prepare long time keto diet. Would you explain why? And my second question, that my friend is pregnant now, but she has graves before and she has done recent blood test and her TPO and TRAP are high, so. And all the prenatal supplements are containing iodine. So my question, is it safe to take it or what do you think about it?
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Gary Brecke
She has thyroid peroxase antibodies. She has the TPO antibodies. So. So the first question I would be asking is what called the immune system to the thyroid. Remember, the immune system doesn't just show up for no reason and kick down the door of a cell. Right. It's like if this building never caught fire, the firemen would never show up. If they, if it did catch fire, the firemen would show up. So the question is what called the immune system to that location? Very often in the, in the case of thyroid, thyroid has a special affinity for heavy metals, especially mercury, but also palladium, cadmium, nickel, boron, I mean cadmium, nickel and lead. And so these metals, which by the way are usually low detection in the blood. Heavy metals don't just hang out in the blood, wait for you to urinate them out, they gravitate out of the blood and they enter the tissue. The thyroid has a special affinity for heavy metals. When heavy metals embed themselves in the tissue, it calls the immune system to that site. And when the immune system arrives on that site because it's hypervigilant, very often the consequence of heavy metals embedded in the thyroid is that it lights up the immune system and it causes an autoimmune response. And then what we say is the immune system went haywire for no reason at all. And it just manufactured antibodies to your thyroid. One day, for absolutely no reason, you went to bed, you woke up, the immune system went haywire and now you have this disease, Graves disease or Hashimoto's disease, because your immune system doesn't know the difference between friendly tissue and foreign tissue. I would argue that if you don't know the reason for that, that we should be doing the testing for the big four. And I call these mold, mycotoxin, parasite, virus and heavy metal. In nearly every case that we have done a search for those four things, you find the cause of what called the immune system to that location. So that's where I would begin.
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Rose Ferguson
Yeah, I agree. That's what we see.
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Gary Brecke
Oh, and the keto diet long term. So ketosis is very, very safe. Everybody in this room came into this world on a keto diet. The first 48 hours of, you know, colostrum mother's milk is entirely ketogenic. The vast majority of brain is ketogenic. We can survive on fats indefinitely. Remember, there are two essential fatty acids. They are essential for life. There are nine essential amino acids. They are essential for life. There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. So again, if you just marinate on that thing for a second, there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are not essential essential for life. There's no carbohydrate that we need to live or to survive. That being said, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't eat carbohydrate, it's just that we should be the most judicious with our carbohydrate choices. So ketosis is when your body switches from burning sugar as a source of fuel to burning mainly something called beta hydroxybutyrate as a fuel source. And beta hydroxybutyrate is a very clean fuel source. When it burns, your body makes a type of water intracellularly called deuterium depleted water. If you really want to have some fun, just google deuterium depleted water when you get home and you'll be fascinated at the implications. Have you know about deuterium depleted water? You know, you'd be fascinated the implications of this light water in cellular biology because our cellular biology, specifically our mitochondria, makes 100 gallons of intracellular water every single day. It's hard to conceive because you only drink maybe a half a gallon of water a day. So how do you make 100 gallons of water a day. You make water in the mitochondria the same way we make it in space. You take two oxygen, one hydrogen, or two hydrogens, one oxygen. You bind them together, you have a water molecule, so you create it out of the gases, it passes through the mitochondrial wall, and then it gets used in something called the Krebs cycle, which is what generates the energy source that human beings are powered from, called ATP. And so, in short term, it's an excellent way to reset the system. Type 2 diabetics, people with hypertriglyceridemia, very high triglycerides. They do extraordinarily well on ketogenic diets. The challenge with the ketogenic diet, it is virtually impossible to maintain over prolonged periods of time. A keto diet is not a diet that you can date. You have to marry it.
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Rose Ferguson
Yeah.
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Gary Brecke
You cannot cheat on it. To be in a committed relationship.
- [60:37]
Rose Ferguson
This is my favorite one. People, I'm doing keto all day, and then they get to the evening, they eat your tub of ice cream. And so then they're high fat, high protein, high carbohydrate, high sugars. And because it is. It's hard to maintain. You have to know what you're doing, but it is really effective. So I will use it a lot with cognitive issues, actually, you know, because it's really good. It really helps if someone's got cognitive. I mean, it's very good for ADHD and things like that, but it is. It's hard to maintain it. And also, I would say, you know, I know that fight. So fiber and carbohydrate are essential for. But they're really, really important for the gut and our micro. For our microbes. They're essential for the microbes. So, you know, I. I think. I think I. I do know. And it comes back to really basic stuff of how do you want to live your life and do you want to be measuring and counting? And I think it's a really. I think it's an amazing tool to have in the toolbox if you need is, isn't it, you know, rather than a lifestyle, I think.
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Gary Brecke
I mean, that's what saved Dana White's life, right? He had fast triglycerides of 800. My daughter's sitting right there. I'll never forget the day that she's also a nurse. I called her out twice now. But I'll never forget the day that, you know, she was with me three years ago when we drew Dana White's blood. She was the nurse who took his blood and I'll never forget. You know, when we draw somebody's blood, you set the tubes on the counter for half an hour, then you put them in a centrifuge and you spin them down. And I was sitting, Dana White was sitting in front of me and she was around the corner and she goes, oh my God, dad, dad. And she was pointing at the vial of blood and she turned it upside down and had already coagulated. So his blood was solid at room temperature. Fasting triglycerides of 800 is almost a medical emergency. So you should have been a fly on the wall when I had the conversation with Dana where I said, you have so much fat in your blood that I'm going to put you on a high fat diet to lower the fat in your blood. You know, like, what are you, what are you talking about? Makes no sense. You're going to eat 75% of your calories from fat and then all the fat is going to go out of your blood. He's like, that makes no sense. I go, I know, but it'll work. And that 10 week ketogenic reset I truly believe was life saving for him. So it can be an amazing way to restore cognitive function and reduce inflammation to, to lower triglycerides. But you do want to start reintroducing carbohydrates, especially things like fermented vegetables and things which are really, really good for your gut.
- [62:58]
Rose Ferguson
I also think it's quite good to try these things to get your metabolic flexibility to see what works for you. I think it's really, you know, I mean, I love trying different. I think it's interesting to learn from your body and also to get into a ketogenic state takes time. So people who do it for, you know, to get into a true ketosis takes time and you can feel absolutely awful for a few days. They call it keto flu. So if you're going to go through all that and only do it for 10 days, I'd suggest you did it for a bit longer and sit with it, feel it, see how it feels. You know, try it on, see if it works for you and then perhaps bring it back just so you have mild ketosis.
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Gary Brecke
And can I just give one more tip on the keto diet? So because you brought up the keto flu, the keto flu comes from the fact that in ketosis your kidneys use four times the amount of sodium sodium to process fatty acids, beta hydroxybutyrate than to when you're on, have carbohydrate as A fuel source. So your sodium need quadruples is critical to supplement with a mineral salt, like a Baja Gold mineral salt. By the way, if you guys haven't gotten a free shaker of Baja Gold, please, on your way out, there's 600 of them back there. Grab them and take them home. They're free. But it's absolutely critical to significantly uptake your sodium, increase your sodium intake on a ketogenic diet. If not, you will get that keto flu.
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Rose Ferguson
Okay, so would that stop it then? Doing that I didn't know stops it.
- [64:15]
Gary Brecke
Dead in its drugs.
- [64:16]
Rose Ferguson
That's so interesting.
- [64:16]
Gary Brecke
You won't get the keto flu if you take that same. See, we learned something new today. Awesome. So one more question, then we'll wrap up. Yes, ma'. Am. That's okay.
- [64:31]
Rose Ferguson
What would be a good protocol to get rid of heavy metals and how long we should follow that for?
- [64:38]
Gary Brecke
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Rose Ferguson
Thank you so much.