219. Peter Crone: The Science of Mindset and How Your Subconscious Patterns Control Your Health & Longevity

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka
Episode: 219. Peter Crone: The Science of Mindset and How Your Subconscious Patterns Control Your Health & Longevity
Date: November 18, 2025
Guests: Gary Brecka (Host), Peter Crone ("The Mind Architect")

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Overview

This episode centers on the profound relationship between mindset, subconscious patterning, and human health and longevity. Gary Brecka, a human biologist, biohacker, and longevity expert, sits down with Peter Crone, a human biologist turned mindset expert, to dissect how the internal dialogue we carry—largely formed in childhood—sets the stage for our physical, emotional, and relational wellbeing. Together, they explore the hidden drivers of suffering, the roots of limiting beliefs, and actionable strategies for unlocking freedom and fulfillment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Danger of “Normal” and the Trap of the Ego

• Cynicism & Resignation:
  Many people have dreams and desires but fail to take action due to resignation, cynicism, and a normalization of mediocrity.

  "People become resigned and cynical. They're no longer, like, actually enthusiastic for their life." — Peter Crone (00:00)

• The Ego’s Addiction to Being Right:
  The ego seeks validation not by growth but by confirming its own inadequacies, settling for being “right” about personal shortcomings rather than striving for desired outcomes.

  "Being right is the poor man's version of self worth." — Peter Crone (10:21)
  "Very often being right is the antithesis of the outcome that we want." — Gary Brecka (20:43)

Mind vs. Brain: Redefining the Terrain

• The Mind as Environment:
  Peter prompts a powerful exercise, asking the audience to point at their “mind.” Most point at their skull (the brain), but as Peter notes, “the mind exists outside of that.”

  "The brain is kind of like the fish, and the mind is like the tank. And if we don't clean these things out, they're constantly poisoning an otherwise healthy body." — Gary Brecka, quoting an analogy (08:23)

• Hostile Environments within:
  A self-deprecating internal narrative yields a chronically hostile inner environment, undermining physical health through chronic sympathetic (fight or flight) activation.

  "I don't think there's anything more toxic than dialogues that are in any way self derogatory." — Peter Crone (06:18)

The Genesis of Mindset and Subconscious “Prisons”

• Formation of Limiting Narratives:
  Identity and core beliefs are encoded via formative experiences, primarily in childhood. Peter details his model of "10 primal prisons of the subconscious," which form the architecture for our blind spots and recurrent struggles.

  "There’s language we use, and there’s language that uses us." — Peter Crone (27:19)
  "We're souls, boundless, timeless, limitless beings incarnate into this confined identity to have a human experience." — Peter Crone (22:00)

• Blind Spots and Self-Sabotage:
  Most limiting beliefs are invisible to us; we habitually superimpose past hurts onto future possibilities, leading to repeated self-sabotage.

  "The only thing that our minds, our brains can actually conceive is what's already happened...we take what's happened in the past and we just superimpose it on the future." — Gary Brecka (10:02)

Unpacking and Transcending Self-Limiting Patterns

• Awareness is Step One:
  True change starts with identifying triggers — circumstances that elicit outsized emotional reactions point to inner constraints or “prisons.”

  "Life will present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you’re not free." — Peter Crone (24:20)

• Real-World Case Studies:
  Peter illustrates live examples, including a woman who believed, due to childhood teasing, that she was "not wanted." This unconscious narrative led to two marriages ending in infidelity, which she then used as evidence to reinforce her wound.

  "Of course I would attract humans that would replicate or at least reflect me not being wanted, which meant they had to cheat." — Peter Crone (33:25)

  • Peter’s self-liberation process: Invite the person to question the absolute truth of their self-judgment ("Is it true you’re not wanted?").

The Role of Relationships and Community

• Isolation as a Health Risk:
  The biggest longevity risk apart from major trauma is social isolation—external or internal.

  "If you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half, at any age, you would put them in isolation." — Gary Brecka (48:22)

  • Peter: “Some of the loneliest people I know are married with kids.”

• Healing through Connection:
  The solution lies in being truly seen, heard, and held. Not just externally, but by meeting oneself honestly and disrupting self-judgment with real inquiry.

Self-Responsibility vs. Victimhood

• Victim or Creator:
  Peter advances a binary choice: Either remain a victim of circumstance or become fully responsible for your life and experience.

  "You're either a victim of circumstance or you're fully responsible for your life. End of story." — Peter Crone (54:33)

• The Perils and Power of Awareness:
  Awareness is the first critical step, often prompted by introspection or honest conversation with a trusted, non-judgmental confidant.

  "Until the unconscious is made conscious, it will rule your life, and you'll call it fate." — Peter Crone, quoting Jung (59:00)

The Impact of Ayurvedic & Biological Wisdom

• Integrating Ancient and Modern Insight:
  Both Gary and Peter praise Ayurveda for focusing on root causes and individualized healing. Peter explains how understanding doshas (body/mind types: vata, pitta, kapha) illuminates emotional and physiological patterns, which can then be addressed at the software level (beliefs/coding) for hardware changes (physiology/behaviors).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Mindset as Medicine:

  "Our thoughts become medicine. They become real action in our body." — Gary Brecka (03:15)

• On Self-Sabotage:

  "There’s no greater virus than a thought. And to me, there’s nothing that hurts us more than our own thinking." — Peter Crone (01:01, 67:48)

• On Perception:

  "Perception is more important than reality." — Gary Brecka, quoting a stock trader (51:26)
  "We live on one globe, but there's 8 billion worlds because we all live in our own reality." — Peter Crone (52:00)

• On Self-Discovery:

  "It's a totally different way of engaging—the thing that I always love…I say to the woman, go home and meet your son." — Peter Crone (44:26)

• On What it Means to be the Ultimate Human:

  "To be a being who not only embraces their humanity, but recognizes the misidentification with it, such that they can really live from the essence of who we are and therefore experience true freedom, love, and possibility." — Peter Crone (70:52)

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Notable Timestamps

• 00:00–01:15: Dangers of “playing it safe” and mindset as environment
• 04:06–08:13: Mind vs. brain analogy, unpacking the tank/fish metaphor
• 10:01–16:14: How we unconsciously predict and create negative outcomes; the athlete example
• 21:00–23:34: The 10 primal subconscious “prisons”; cosmic hide-and-seek of human life
• 27:19–33:25: Case study of a woman with the “not wanted” wound and Peter’s method
• 39:37–44:26: Why self-inquiry is hard; the critical role of safe, judgment-free relationships
• 48:10–49:30: The longevity risks of isolation and the true meaning of loneliness
• 54:33–55:46: Being a victim vs. being responsible for your life
• 59:00: Awareness and the role of the unconscious (quoting Jung)
• 61:31–67:48: Ayurveda, doshas, and integrating biology with mindset
• 70:52: What does it mean to be an ultimate human?

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Resources & Where to Find Peter Crone

• Website: petercrone.com
• Instagram: @petercrone
• LinkedIn / Facebook: Peter Crone

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The narratives you absorbed in childhood still shape your health, relationships, and struggles—until you bring them into awareness and question their truth.
• Internal work is just as critical to wellness and longevity as external interventions.
• The hardest prisons to escape are the ones we don't know we're in; look for “triggers” and recurring pain points as your roadmap.
• Real growth begins by cultivating honest, safe relationships, both with yourself and others, and daring to question deeply held assumptions.

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Final Reflection

Peter Crone and Gary Brecka blend high-level science, spiritual insight, and lived case studies to reveal that becoming the "ultimate human" is less about perfection and more about inner freedom, responsibility, and moving from unconscious survival to conscious creation.

"To live from the essence of the timeless, limitless beings that we are… that is to be the ultimate human being." — Peter Crone (70:52)

Transcript

[Peter Crone]

How many people say they have dreams and aspirations, get in shape, create a business, start a homestead, whatever people are passionate about, but you're not doing it. Why? People become resigned and cynical. They're no longer, like, actually enthusiastic for their life. It becomes normalized.

[Gary Brecke]

Well, because normal is safe.

[Peter Crone]

It occurs as safe. It's actually the most dangerous way to live.

[Gary Brecke]

Rarely do we really understand the correlation between our mindset and the tricks that it plays on us.

[Peter Crone]

That's why understanding that the space you live with inside of this mind, if it has a consistent, persistent conversation that is in any way self deprecating, you're living in a hostile environment.

[Gary Brecke]

When a fish gets sick, we don't treat the fish, we treat the tank. The brain is kind of like the fish, and the mind is like the tank. And if we don't clean these things out, they're constantly poisoning an otherwise healthy body.

[Peter Crone]

When you recognize that we have this predisposition to want to be right, but what we're being right about is our shortcomings.

[Gary Brecke]

We want to be right for our ego. I was right. But very often being right is the antithesis of the outcome that we want.

[Peter Crone]

There's no greater virus than. Than a thought. And to me, you know, there's nothing that hurts us more than our own thinking.

[Gary Brecke]

How do we begin this journey of even getting in touch with our ego?

[Peter Crone]

How do we get there? We have to. First of all, one of the best ways is.

[Gary Brecke]

Ultimate human. Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecke, where we go down the road of everything anti aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today's guest coming to you live again from Saudi Arabia, which is why I have a suit on, and I normally don't have a suit on. Coming to you live from Saudi Arabia, our next guest is going to absolutely blow your mind. He's going to answer questions that you've always had that didn't. You didn't know how to ask. I have enjoyed every minute that I've spent with him since I've been in Saudi Arabia. We've had some deep, introspective conversations. I actually watched him in real time heal a woman's trauma in a car ride. And so I cannot wait to run this podcast. Welcome to the podcast, people. Peter Crone.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, it's a pleasure. I feel like this was well overdue in ways that we didn't understand, but I'm so happy to connect and contribute to your audience in whatever way I can.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah, you Know, it's. It's odd for me to sit down across from another human biologist too. I was actually reading, you know, your, your background, you have a degree in human biology, a degree in exercise physiology.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And. And then you jump to the other side of your brain and you have a master's in information technology.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

When these two don't belong in the same frames of the brain. Right.

[Peter Crone]

But in the same skull.

[Gary Brecke]

In the skull.

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[Gary Brecke]

They fit in the same skull. Yeah. But they're very Left brain, right brain. And you know, it's. It's been a fascinating few days. I mean, I'm aware of your work and my team's aware of your work, but actually experiencing it with you and listening to you walk somebody through unpacking their trauma in real time was. Was fascinating.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, I consider myself pretty astute in the biohacking world, and my mind is really just blown. Yeah, but it was blown because, you know, it really returned my awareness back to, you know, the Bible says, so a man thinketh, he shall become. Yeah, right. And our thoughts become medicine. They. They become real action in our body.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Everybody knows. Oh, stress. You know, you got to lower stress if you want to live a long time. And.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And stress can make you unhealthy, but rarely do we really understand the correlation between our mindset and the tricks that it plays on us. And, and even before we start, you did an interesting exercise which I found profound. You hooked 100 of the audience and you said, take a finger and point at your mind.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And 100 of the room pointed at.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

At their skull. And then you said, you're pointing at your brain.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And you said, the mind exists outside of that.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Can we unpack that a little bit for sure. Because I think that's a great place for us to start.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. It's quite a reframe and I think it's very profound, especially with all the work you do, which I'm such a fan of. And again, it's just lovely to get to know you personally. And I'm excited for the.

[Gary Brecke]

I think somewhere between our intersection is the perfect.

[Peter Crone]

I believe there is just such a beautiful synergy. You know, a partner's both saying the same thing. You know, it's like you have mastered like that whole arena of three dimensional reality, physiology, structure, anatomy, chemistry, biology. And, and I would assert as humbly as I can, I've sort of mastered the inner terrain of like, psychology and emotional intelligence and the degree to which those are commensurate. Like they're inextricably connected. As you know, there's not a mind body connection. They're just different levels of density. And so for me, making that reframe for people is typically astonishing. Right. Because we understand that at some degree we are at the effect of our environment. Right. You speak to this eloquently all the time about all of the toxicities in our soils, in our waters, in our airs and the things that we accumulate. We're fundamental mentally walking trash cans at this point. And so people understand that we mitigate as much as we can. You know, the more extreme do the Faraday cages to mitigate EMFs, but at least most people are hopefully doing some sort of detoxing and cleansing. And they recognize from chemtrails that apparently don't exist or, you know, they exist. Well, when they're starting to pass legislation in states that you can't do it anymore, it's sort of, you know, they revealed the wizard behind the curtain. It's been happening for a while. So we understand that. And I sort of use the analogy at the talk we did at YPO. You know, if you live within a 600 square foot studio apartment and there's mold in the drywall, then there's no way that you can mitigate or overcome the effect of that. You can do the best you can to minimize it. And maybe you're proactive and you cleanse, but you know that if you live in an environment that at some level is deleterious to your health, that over time the accumulation of that means that it's going to manifest in something.

[Gary Brecke]

Mm.

[Peter Crone]

So by reframing the fact that the mind, which to me is really a space that contains the narratives that typically get formed in our childhood, is the space that we live in. It's the ultimate environment. To me, there's no more valuable piece of real estate than what is within the state of our mind. And for that reason, I know it's a bold statement, but I don't think there's anything more toxic than dialogues that are in any way self derogatory. You speak to, you know, all of these diseases probably way more proficiently than me. But like a lot of people ask me about things like cancer and we understand the genesis of a cancerous cell. And I look at it energetically and emotionally. And to me it's a cell that's really in a hostile environment. Right. It's really the primordial imperative of every being and human is to survive. And so the cell, which is just sort of the Mini version is. Got the same mo. It's just trying to survive. So if it's in a hostile environment, and in this case it could be a, a series of different things that, to sort of give the impression of hostility or defined hostility. But for me, the mind, if it's got a narrative of I'm not good enough, there's something wrong with me, I'm trash, nobody loves me, I'm not safe, you're living inside of that 24 7. So that to me is the ultimate. Of course I'm biased, but the precursor to disease is dis. Ease, which is the absence of ease, which means just from a purely physiological background, which I can speak to with my undergraduate, is putting you in sympathetic mode.

[Gary Brecke]

Yes.

[Peter Crone]

And then if you're in sympathetic mode, fight, flight or freeze, then there's no rejuvenation, there's no healing, there's no rest. You know, sleep is suddenly compromised, relationships become more acrimonious and, you know, you've got this sort of dysfunction, you're in a state of stress. And so that's why understanding that the space you live with inside of this mind, if it has a consistent persistent conversation that is in any way self deprecating, you're living in a hostile environment.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, it's, it's, there's analogy that someone told me one time which is very. It describes what you're, you're saying, and it says, you know, when, when a fish gets sick.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, we don't, we don't treat the fish, we treat the tank.

[Peter Crone]

Exactly.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, the, the brain is kind of like the fish and the mind is like the tank. Yeah, right.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And if we don't clean these things out and they're constantly poisoning an otherwise healthy body and without identifying anyone, you know, the, the person you were talking to.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

In the car. I mean, outwardly a beautiful woman, young, well spoken. Yeah. Got along with my wife. Just very, very engaging. Yeah. But now it's the fish. But in the, in the mind, you were able to unpack, you know, all of these consequences of how the mind was affecting her.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And so for somebody that's never been on a journey of introspection.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

But has, doesn't know even how to go inward and find out where are these roadblocks? How do I unlock childhood trauma? How do I unpack the narrative that is working against me? Because a lot of times, you know, since these are inner monologues. Yeah. We might not even acknowledge that they exist.

[Peter Crone]

No. They're complete blind spots.

[Gary Brecke]

And so it's fascinating to me, I believe, that all of us have some of these voices going on, some of this inner narrative. And you know, a lot of it has to do with the only thing that our, our minds, our brains can actually conceive is what's already happened. It's hard to us to conceive something in the future.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

So very often we take what's happened in the past and we just superimpose it on the future.

[Peter Crone]

Correct.

[Gary Brecke]

And, and yeah. And you're sort of fulfilling your own destiny.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And then you're not surprised when a negative outcome happens because you were expecting a negative outcome and you go, there, see, I'm safe. I knew everything was going to go to shit.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And it did.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

But I expected that.

[Peter Crone]

It's I, you know, you're somewhat familiar my work and I know you're learning more, but I write a lot in quotes. And so the one that comes to mind as you say that is. I say that being right is the poor man's version of self worth. And so the ego, because it's fictitious in its actual nature, it's an identity, it's a personality that, you know, nobody on the planet is their name, their nationality, their religion, but that's something that gets adopted. Typically you're born into a family and therefore, like I'm British and you're American. You know, then it gets even more complicated with dogmas and religions and then we get bloodshed over things that were made up. At some point you start to see the absolute insanity from my perspective. You know, we're all beings underneath it. So when you recognize, realize, okay, that we have this predisposition to want to be right. But what we're being right about is our shortcomings. That's one of the things that I was most fascinated is that someone say, I, I knew that was too good to be true. I'll prove to you that this won't last. And it's like, wow, that's so inspiring. You get to be right about your inadequacies. Yeah, I, I, my one of my.

[Gary Brecke]

First such a reframe of how we think about things.

[Peter Crone]

Isn't it fascinating?

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

I really saw this in display so often with athletes because like you work with a lot of athletes as well and it's like you get those tangible results instantaneously. And when I, I worked with my, one of my first predominant. I worked with triathletes to begin with and I had a PGA Tour player, we tripled his winnings in two Seasons not insignificant. Yeah. Back in the day, this was before Liv. And, you know, the Saudis here brought a lot of money, and they sort of. The PGA Tour, had to step up their game. But he was making about a million bucks, 900,000 a year, which at the time was pretty decent, you know, and we went to 2.2 million in his first season and then 3.6 in his second season together.

[Gary Brecke]

Wow.

[Peter Crone]

Same clubs, same clothing, same instructor, different mindset. However, he hadn't had as much success as he even wanted. Like, he was blown away. Like he was on the verge of divorce. You know, his wife sent me one of the most moving texts I've ever received. You know, said just before you arrived. I thought after 10 years that we were. This was going to be the end of my marriage. And now, since you've come into our lives, it's the beginning of a new love affair, you know.

[Gary Brecke]

Wow.

[Peter Crone]

So just through this change in perspective. But anyway, my whole point is, he said, look, I want to go to the next level. You've changed my life in every arena, but there's something obviously happening on the course, and you're not there with me. I'm not a caddy. He said, so, caddy. So I said, okay.

[Gary Brecke]

You said, I can do it. It's going to be expensive.

[Peter Crone]

Exactly. So I never forget we were, you know, at one of the Texas events, Byron Nelson, and he was playing very well. We went into the weekend, we were probably about four shots off the lead, so, you know, made the cut. Four days of a golf tournament, the first two days is where everyone competes. If you make the cut, there's about 140 guys. Typically, in a tournament, 70 go through, and then that's when you make the money. Right. So the first, you know, half they lose, they go home. Suck it up and see you next week. But he was in a good position. We're in the top 10, so primed for a good weekend. We get to the sixth green and. And he had pard everything and had a good look at birdie a couple of times. And so he was a little bit frustrated. But so anyway, this particular green, he hit, he. He had a long pot. I hand him the putter as the, you know, now newly positioned caddy. It's like his. His mind caddy.

[Gary Brecke]

That's immersing yourself in your work, man.

[Peter Crone]

I admire that. Oh, no. I've been in some funny situations. I've sat in dugouts with some of the greatest baseball players. I remember when I first went in the mlb, I was in flip flops. And guys are like, who's this clown? Some dude in flip flops in a dugout where they're all with, you know, studs and spitting tobacco. But anyway, so I hand him the putter, and he said to me, watch me three putt this. Now, perhaps golfers in your thing, or listeners, you know, if you have a par four, you want to get on the green, ideally in two, and then one putt, which is called a birdie, which is one better than the course. That's a, you know, an accolade. That's a good thing. Two part is you make a four, which is the score, and that's called a par. That's okay. Not great. Three part means he would have made a five, which is one worse than what is expected. So he was already predetermined. Watch me three part this meaning he's going to make a five. And it was such a fascinating insight into the insidious nature of the ego that he was more unconsciously determined to be right. Because what was actually happening is he was scared. Much of his world of prison that he lived in is like, that he could mess up. It was more. He was Australian, so it was more like, I'm gonna fuck up. He's slightly different lexicon, but anyway, so that was his way of mitigating the perceived stress of a disappointing outcome. Because even though it's not what you want, at least I'm right. Isn't that fascinating? And that's the differential between most people who become winners and those who are looking at winners.

[Gary Brecke]

So it was a par two, and he was gonna three.

[Peter Crone]

Well, it's a par four. He got there in two. Two part would have been, that's fine, no damage. Right. You ideally want to be a one part. You know, when some. Some guy hits it near the pin and everyone's applauding is because he's going to tap it in and he makes a three on a four or four on a five. And that's great. You know, the lower the score in golf, the better. Right. Didn't mean this to be a golf education. But anyway, the. The fact that he declared a future, that was now the antithesis of what he, as a professional athlete is trying to accomplish. Show the absolutely insidious nature of the ego and how it's. Yeah. And that's.

[Gary Brecke]

Ego wanted to be right, even though it was against his outcome.

[Peter Crone]

Everybody's. And that's what we're up against. It is the greatest adversary. You know, that is the. You know, even Ben Hogan, when one of the greatest golfers, he said, the most difficult place course you'll ever play is the 4 inches between your ears.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

And so that's what we're up against.

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[Gary Brecke]

Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast.

[Peter Crone]

So even with your work, which I am just so inspired by and happy to learn more and can't wait for, you know, my education to be advanced by you, that to me is secondary. Not in a way that, like I'm, you know, in any way putting myself above you, but relative to the mind being outside of the body, that's the ultimate influence. Right? Because if you live in an environment, sort of the cascade of the hierarchy of the things that influence who we are. For me, I get it a little more esoteric. There's karma. We came here to incarnate, to process things, so that's the bigger picture. Beneath that, we have our genetic code. You're not gonna change the color of your eyes just by taking some supplements, right? Correct. That's pretty hardwired programming. Then the subconscious patterns which give rise to the conscious thoughts that eventually cascade through the physiology and manifest based on our predisposition will then lead to whatever the great things that you do to help replicate or to repair some of the things that people are creating. But for me, getting into that subconscious code, I know for myself, as we discussed off air, that I have high homocysteine, but I've never been on medication. It's not something that I apply to.

[Gary Brecke]

Because there are more than one way. I mean, this is exactly what we're discussing. It's, you know, in. In human physiology. I don't know that there's ever absolutely only one way.

[Peter Crone]

No, not at all. Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And I think a, a risk of science in general is that, you know, we think very often that science is done, it's finite, it can't be questioned, it can't be challenged. This is it.

[Peter Crone]

Zero.

[Gary Brecke]

It's as absolute as gravity.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And. And it's not.

[Peter Crone]

You know, that's why I love Ayurveda, which we started to talk about, because I studied that for 25 years and.

[Gary Brecke]

I remember the oldest form of medicine in the world.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. And it makes today's modern medicine, which we both know is not health care, sick care and disease management. Right. You know, pharmaceutical companies aren't celebrating in their HQ when they discover their drug sales have dropped. You know, it's like. No, they're pushing more like reps out there. And so from a point of view of Ayurveda, one of the things that I love so much, one of the tenants, they said the greatest. Vajra. Vajra, being a doctor is the one who has no patience. And I don't mean, like ability to be with people, but he has no people. He's helping because he has empowered and educated his community how to take care of themselves.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

And yet, you know, I spent a lot of time in LA when I first got here and it's like, you know, who, who's, who's the best doctor? Who does everyone go and see? I'm like, freaking good. Could he be if I was going to see him? Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

It's actually a really. How good could be if everybody keeps going to see him? Yeah. That's called job security. Which.

[Peter Crone]

Right.

[Gary Brecke]

You don't want in, in a doctor. I mean, I, I'm very familiar. Not as familiar as you are, but I'm very familiar with Ayurvedic medicine, one of the oldest forms of medicine, based largely on observation, which I think is excellent because we really.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

People stand in front of us and we don't see them.

[Peter Crone]

No.

[Gary Brecke]

As you know, especially in medicine.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

We, we, we might see the lab values, but we don't see the person. Yeah. And we don't see their stress. We don't see the color of their eyes. We don't look at their tongue. We don't what's going on at home.

[Peter Crone]

How's your relationship? You know, you sit down with the doctor for three minutes and it's like, da, da, da, you know, this particular ill for this particular pill.

[Gary Brecke]

Next. Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

So back to, you know, the fascination that I have with trying to unpack this on. On our own.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You know.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

We all know that we have some limiting beliefs, we have some limiting thoughts. We all have an inner monologue that we don't share with the outside world.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

We only share with our inside world. And the way that you frame the egos is so incredible because we want to be right.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

For our ego. Yes, I was right. But very often being right is the antithesis of the outcome that we want.

[Peter Crone]

Correct.

[Gary Brecke]

And we don't realize that these conversations are. Are happening.

[Peter Crone]

No.

[Gary Brecke]

Where do they come from? Like, what is the genesis of. Of these conversations in our mind?

[Peter Crone]

Great question. And I feel that's where. If I were to sort of, you know, differentiate myself from a lot of great teachers, coaches, therapists out there in the world, is for whatever reasons, just like you have the brilliant insights that you were able to get to. You know, I heard your talk today, which is great about, like, being diagnosed as ADHD or whatever when you were a kid. And that actually was sort of turned out to be your superpower, you know, this sort of ability to recall and to memorize. And I think for me, if I have sort of some inherent gift, it's that I delineated what I consider to be the 10 primal prisons or constraints of the subconscious. So just as we have certain genetic codes that we all have, you know, like whatever it is, 99 point whatever percent, that we're all the same. So for me, from the perspective of the identity and the ego, we all have the same 10 primal prisons. And so this is what I'm writing about in my first book. And so that's where it comes from is really. It's the opportunity that it is to be human. To me, this is cosmic hide and seek.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

We're souls, boundless, timeless, limitless beings incarnate into this confined identity to have a human experience, to feel the experience of separation and what it is to have to survive such that we can bring to the surface and ultimately to transcend the constraints with which we arrived. And the ultimate destination then is liberation, to me, that's the sole purpose of being human.

[Gary Brecke]

And so it sounds like a definition of the soul.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You know.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

This continuum.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And so because we all have these inner monologues and. And we all have this narrative going on in our mind.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

I want to give people some. Some tools that they can use to bring awareness to it.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Because I think that it's so ingrained in our. The physiology of how we live, how we think.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

That it's not Something that we recognize, you know? You know, listening to you talk to this, this woman the other night, what was fascinating was how she was unaware.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Of how her own limiting beliefs.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Were limiting the exact outcome that she was after.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And I found it very fascinating. And, and while you were, I don't know what you want to call it, psychoanalyzing her, I was doing the same thing in the front seat by myself. No, you were tracking people through my own checklist. You know, and, and then my ego popped in and said, wow, she's way worse off than I am. I'm good.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Then protected me. Right.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And then taught myself and I was like, wow, that's exactly what he's talking about.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Is your ego wanting to be right.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You're okay because somebody else is worse.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. Finding validity through comparison is like one of the ways that we try to survive. Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

It's so, it's, it's so incredible. I, I intention. Intentionally focus on not being that person. I, I, I don't feel like I'm good because somebody else is bad.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

There's a lot of that persevere mentality in my industry that I'm good because everybody else is bad.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Or Gary made one mistake saying something. So everything that he says is absolute garbage and he's a charlatan and what have you. And that's for them to deal with them. That's them protecting their own ego.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

But so how do we begin this exercise of even just drawing awareness to some of these voices, some of this inner monologue.

[Peter Crone]

Great question and I love your dedication to your community. It's beautiful. So thank you. My crass response is, you know, whatever pisses you off, that's life. You know, my more profound poetic, because again, I write in quotes and one of my more popular ones is that life will present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you're not free. So if you really get that, like that to me is this dimension that is the opportunity as a being who's incarnated, you know, the gods, again, without getting too out there, didn't say, go to planet Earth. It's nirvana. No, go to planet Earth because your in laws are going to piss the fuck out of you and you're going to get divorced. And, you know, that's where you're going to have to process stuff. Right. So this dimension that we're all here in is because we arrive with our constraints, the opportunity, in common vernacular, it's like, what are you triggered by, you know, this Triggered me so much. The trigger is, the misnomer is that you're at the effect of life. I'm upset because. Fill in the blank. My wife, my kids, my boss, my neighbor, you know, somebody else who did something to elicit an expression, a reaction. That's how it occurs. It's like when people say, I'm so worried what other people think about me. No, you're not. You're not. You're worried what you think other people think about you, which is a relationship with self. Right. So everybody else is equally worried about what you think about them. They're not worried about you. Right. So.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

When you start to unpack these things, you start to see how, again, how slippery it all is. And as you said with the girl that I was helping, these are blind spots and they're actually deeper than beliefs. Beliefs belong to the identity. It's the you that you are for yourself. Which is a, perhaps a weird sentence, but if people really get that, it is. It's not that I have a belief, it's the I that you think you are is the constraint that then generates the belief. All of our conscience. Yeah, yeah. Isn't that right? So that's why. So that's why it gets so, so subtle. And again, why, you know, I would say if I have a superpower, it's listening because I can hear where people are lying to themselves and yet they're oblivious of that. So what I hear, like, just as you will see the presentation of symptoms, you probably see, you know, even the presentation of a body, let alone that data. Right, right. But you can then reverse engineer that into, okay, well, because of X, the homocysteine, for example, with the Dana's, you know, you can take that back to. Okay, well, this is, you know, follow the cookie trail. And then let's go to the causative factors. I do the same, but psychologically. So if someone is dealing with a health issue, a relationship issue, a financial issue, then I immediately, within a couple of minutes of them telling me a story, already know the predominant prison that they're defined by.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah, I've heard you describe it. And if you wouldn't mind. Yeah, walk us through a real life scenario with.

[Peter Crone]

Sure.

[Gary Brecke]

You've described a number of these. At the YPO meeting, you used an excellent one with a basketball player. You just, you know, sort of described one. And there was a, a woman who you also walked out of a similar prison. Mind prison, if you wouldn't mind, just identify one of these people and walk us through the process.

[Peter Crone]

Sure. There's so many. And you know, for those who really want to witness it, you know, better than me recalling conceptually to watch it in real time on my Instagram. I still get goosebumps, you know, and I've done this thousands of times, you know, so. But there's a couple that come to mind just because I was recently doing a live event. And one woman, beautiful, articulate, you know, this is in front 100 people that I don't know. I mean, bearing a couple of friends or people who are repeat customers because they're like, I can't get enough of this. You know, this is a woman I've never met, 60, you know, smart, successful, articulate. And her quote, unquote issue is she's like, you know, I'm just so hurt and scared because I would love to have another relationship. I've been divorced twice and both of my exes cheated on me. Something that unfortunately happens in everyday life. There's many people right now who are either, you know, the recipient of such infidelity or themselves acting from it. And so I said okay. And so I wanted to get a little bit of a better understanding where she's from. And so typically I go straight to childhood to tell me a little bit, you know, what's your relationship like with your folks and da da, da. And so she talks about, you know, perhaps the lack of affection. That's one contributing factor to the language that she learned to use. So I again, one of my expressions say there's language we use and there's language that uses us. So the language we're using, English, the language that uses us is the code that we're oblivious to. The programming that got instilled at a very formative phase of our life that now we're being driven by. So I always want to find the language that's using somebody. So she started to tell her story and the one that really stood out is that her sister would, older sister would just like any sibling, pick on her, bully, a fatso, da, da, da, you know, you're not cool. You can't come and play with me and my friends. Just everyday stuff. But what people don't recognize is the degree to which that can actually have a lasting imprint. And here's a six year old woman, couple of marriages, kids. And so she said, I've done so much work, which a lot of people say, I've been to therapy and we've identified, you know, that yeah, I was made fun of. And so what I realized is I believe there's something wrong with me. That's great. You've done a fair amount of work, but it clearly hasn't mitigated whatever you're struggling with or you're suffering. So I said, okay, that's not inaccurate, but it's insufficient for the full story. So I said, okay. So when you're called fatso, obviously that hurts. As a kid, you know, I say there's two primordial emotions that are the basis of every human being's emotional scope. You're either hurt or you're scared, typically both. So it's like you feel the energy of a kid. Right. When something happens that you're made fun of, you're mocked, you, you know, you TR up in the classroom and people laughed or you did a presentation, you know, it hurts. What that then does is I say past hurt informs future fear. Just as you were saying. Right. We have this superimposition of past trials, tribulations, and so now the brain designed to predict and protect is rightly so going to say, well, how do I make sure that doesn't happen again? Because that sucked.

[Gary Brecke]

Right. So I start trying to protect myself, which is the scare where the dialogue starts.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. So we have people that we know.

[Gary Brecke]

Even though I haven't started this relationship.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. So that's the, you know, sabotage. Absolutely. Self fulfilling prophecy, which is physics. So even though I'm, you know, spiritual teacher, the mind architect, whatever, really, I'm just dealing with physics like you. Right. Like the conversation you shared about, you know, a woman that had some questions about your process or the offense you took, you know, it's like you're explaining physics, it's okay. And so the same for me, it's like, it's that categoric. You know, if I sat down with a tech pro and I said I want to build this particular website and he had the ability to write code and I want the background to be blue, there's a particular code that will give that effect. Same with language of the code of the mind. So for her, thinking there was something wrong with her, definitely impactful that she could see it, that's helpful. But what that would give rise to as a behavioral adaptation is now trying to make sure there's nothing wrong with her. Right. You know, she's broken somehow. Well, then the logical approach is to try and fix herself, which also manifests especially as a woman being more subservient secondary to the male, which itself is unattractive because really it's a degradation of your own sense of self worth, which energetically whether it's aware or not is unattractive. So the man is then going to find, or the woman is going to go and find somebody who's more confident. So again, self fulfilling. But anyway, I said to her, okay, well that's definitely part of it. But if there's something wrong with you, that's the symptom of something much deeper. What does that mean? And I said, remind me, when you said, your sister said you can't play with them, what does that feel like? As a kid? You know, that really speaks to that primal sense of not belonging. And so we got to. Or she got to. I try and get people to understand it sometimes because it's so blind they don't know until I say it. In which this case I said, you know, what if it's just that you're not wanted and that like, you know, going back to the mind being the space she lived in when she suddenly saw the lights came on of the home that she's been in, which is she's not wanted, the floodgates just opened and the body starts to go into this sort of tremors and this response very similar to a gazelle being chased by a lion. You know, where all of this pent up. Survival instincts.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

Which was beautiful. Uncomfortable sometimes for the person. But she, she was such a trooper, you know, even at the age of 60, the older we get typically the more ingrained these condition programs are. And she's like, she just got it. She's like, oh my God, of course I would attract humans that would replicate or at least reflect me not being wanted, which meant they had to cheat. And so when you understand the mechanics and what was for me the most powerful part at the end is I said okay, you know, so now do you see, like I always investigate the validity of these statements. So is it true that you're not wanted it? Is that an absolute truth? And she's like, no, that's when you step out of prison. You know, we use the evidence of our childhoods typically and then that becomes, you know, reinforced over time. See, they're like, my husband cheated, of course I'm not one in the next guy. And you know, it's like we just want to be right again about our own shortcomings.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

So but what I do is I use this just basic questioning. Is it an absolute truth that you're not enough? Is it an absolute truth you're not wanted? Is it an absolute truth that, that you know you're not going to be okay? No, you you know, who could you be in the absence of that constraint? Wow. You know, I could be free. I. I mean, I could have a.

[Gary Brecke]

Relationship with meaning I could have a.

[Peter Crone]

Relationship that lasted an entirely different existence.

[Gary Brecke]

Deserves to be loved.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. Rather than someone by herself to start with. Because really, all of her attempts were to overcome and compensate for who she was, the you that you are, for yourself. She didn't know that who she is is not wanted. She just got to experience the ramifications of that perspective.

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[Gary Brecke]

Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast.

[Peter Crone]

And so now. And I just wanted to do a quick test because she was very smart. I said, okay, so what if now you see the pure possibility, love connection, intimacy, infinity, all the things we want with the primal urge to belong, and especially as a woman wanting to be held and safe. I said, you can see that's now available. So I'm so excited. She said, but also, I don't need it now, which is so profound. Right, right. She'd found it for herself. And I said, I'm just going to do a little litmus test. If you date a guy and he cheats on you, does that mean you're not wanted? And she said, no. So she was even okay with the same result, but not eliciting the internal trauma that had been there for decades.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah. What was amazing about just because having been in proximity to you, doing this and watching this sort of liberation happen in real time. What was interesting about you investigating this. This. This woman's picture of who she was.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Was you. She and she had just exited a tough relationship. And. And, you know, it made her obviously feel very unwanted.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And you said, well, what if I was to tell you that next week you're going to meet Prince Charming?

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, this is the one you've always waited for.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Right. And finally you're going to have the relationship that you wanted. She said, I wouldn't believe you.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And it's, it's very, it was just very profound to me because I had a period like that in, in, in my life, you know, as a, as a scientist, you know, human biologist, biology background, very matter of fact, you know, this causes this, this leads to this. There's an explanation for everything. And I think men in general. There was a book written years ago called Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Remember that one? And, and they always talked about the man toolbox. Like the woman is like espousing all this emotional stuff and as she's talking, she's not even getting to the end of her sentence.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

The guy's trying to fix it.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Well, it hurts when you do that. Don't do that, you know. What do you mean you don't like your best friend? Stop talking to her. And she said, but she's my best friend. But you don't like her, so just cut her off. But I can't do that. You know, like men are trying to fix, fix, fix, and then eventually, you know, as the book was saying, they just want to be heard. I've learned that being in a marriage. But you know, it was a very difficult time for me to realize that the repeated consequences of my environment were all of my own self sabotage, you know, And I had become a very narcissistic person. Developed this very egocentric personality.

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[Gary Brecke]

That I was protecting. And when I left my previous industry and said I'm gonna not just leave that industry, but that person behind.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And. And you have to leave a lot of people in your past too, that still think that you're that person because they, they will drag the old you forward too.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, of course.

[Gary Brecke]

But it was the most liberating thing for me. And mine was just a massive career shift.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Not going to predict mortality anymore. I'm going to help people live healthier, happier, longer lives.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

The difference in the people that I have attracted.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

From my wife to the relationship with my children.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Which has dramatically deepened since then.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

To the relationship. The people that I've been blessed enough to be around in this industry.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

So much more fulfilling.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Than what, what I had back then. I wish I'd had you, you know, years, years before that. Because I think there's so many people that are, you know, in places in their life where they are frustrated, they're not happy, they're not happy with themselves, they're not happy with their environment, their relationship, what have you? And they're, like you said, looking to the outside world.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Look what my neighbor did to piss me off, you know, my spouse did to make me feel this way.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And I think going on this journey of introspection, is it possible for someone to do this themselves?

[Peter Crone]

It is. It just takes a profound level of discipline and self reflection and honesty. And honesty. I think the nature of life is relativity, right? You know, you're lying in bed, you're hot, you move your leg to another part of the sheet, it's cooler. Only do you have an experience because of relativity. And so in the experimental range and the experiential range of life, it's all based on relationship, you know, which is why relationships themselves, typically romantic, are normally the number one topic of conversation in any coffee shop around the world.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

Because that's where really we're getting the reflection. So it is possible. I've certainly done a lot of introspection, but I also know I'm not naive to say that the profound shifts that I went through, similar to what you're just describing, which I'll speak to in a minute, I feel like, are the byproduct of relationship for me, particularly romantic, you know, wherever I, you know, my parents died when I was very young, and so my first profound relationship where I thought had meaning and love as best as I knew it, at 27 years of old, of age, you know, really when that, when she left me, you know, I thought my desperation and my fear and my upset and the sleepless nights was because of her leaving me. No, that was the catalyst to pull to the surface all of the unpro's trauma of my parents dying and me being stuck in the narrative of I lost my parents, which is, you know, it's a common experience or a narrative that people, oh, sorry for your loss. You know, I kept hearing that, like, oh, my gosh. Orphaned by the age of 17. It's awful, you know, and so you continually are getting reinforced. Story of woe. And so for me, relationships are the conduit, you know, especially, especially romantic because it's almost like a surgeon. Right. Like, I guess at one level I'm sort of doing this emotional spiritual surgery. And, you know, oftentimes I'd walk into a sports team and the training staff, the coaches are like, you know, when you're not here, how can we help the guys? I'm like, you can't unless they're willing to open the door.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

Because the ego and the mind is, is. It's designed to defend itself. And so, you know, I use the very simple analogy of like, if I were the greatest interior designer in the world, got all the greatest furniture, my tastes are impeccable, everybody's seeking my counsel. If I went to somebody's house, barge through the front door, you know, with all of my guys and my furniture, you know, depending on which state I'm in, America, I could get shot.

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[Gary Brecke]

And Texas.

[Peter Crone]

And Texas. And Montana, Los Angeles. Yeah. It's their fault. Yeah. So even I might be well sought after. I wouldn't be well received. So, you know, so a long winded answer of saying yes, you need interaction, you need communion, you need community, you need conversation. So for anybody at home, like, you know, in my, in my panel yesterday, I was talking about what, how people can start this process is just find at least that one person with whom you feel the least amount of judgment from. Now, I hope people at least have that, you know, it might not be your spouse even. It might not be a parent. Typically it's not. But it could be a best friend. It could be, you know, somebody at work who, for whatever reasons, you feel kinship and you feel like they've got your ear. And I'm going to be speaking about that today. I think they're the three things that every human being craves more than anything is to be seen, heard and held. And so that's the space to start to unpack because typically people don't know how to listen. People are too busy reacting. It's like, you know, the old radio expression of, you know, wif, whatever it.

[Gary Brecke]

Is, what's in it for me? Yeah, wiifm.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so that's typically the lens that people listen through. And so there's no holding somebody's reality. I, I was sharing on another show, like I was at a retreat in Hawaii working with a group, and this mother was talking about how she's so concerned for her younger son who always feels inadequate relative to his older brother. And she can see the dynamic in the older brother because he's older, is faster, quicker, smarter, whatever, you know. But for the younger sibling, this was like, you know, distressing to the point that he kept saying, you know, he was feeling the malaise and the, the apathy of, like, well, what's the point? You know, da, da, da, he's always better. And the mother being very nurturing would come in, no, no, no, you're this. And sort of giving accolades and acknowledgment. And I said to her, but you're not listening to him. And she was like, what do you mean? Like, you're not listening to his reality. You're reinforcing and superimposing your reality on top of his. And she's like, oh, my God. Like, he's always telling me I don't listen. I said, well, there's your first clue. I said, I don't want him to stay there, but in order to be able to take him to a new frequency, you have to at least acknowledge where he's at. Then you can inquire, well, oh, I really. What. What's that like, to feel like that next to your brother? Get into his world, and immediately what you're showing him is that you care, which is a value proposition. You know, the appreciation of a stock in a corporation that I work with is directly correlated, as far as I'm concerned, to the degree which you appreciate your personnel. Right.

[Gary Brecke]

So true.

[Peter Crone]

Versus, like, making people wrong for mistakes. You know, now people are living in fear and pressure. So she's like, oh, my God, I never thought about that. And I said, yeah, like, he just wants to be heard. Then when he's heard, he's going to feel seen and valued. And then his value, which is his main concern relative to his brother, starts to all boats rise with the tide. And he's going to feel better about.

[Gary Brecke]

Himself just by being heard to say, what's it like to.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, where did that start? And then you'll find a memory. Oh, you know, well, I don't know. I was playing with him, like, you know, could be years ago. And he just didn't want me to play with him and his friends. Oh, my God. I can really see how that would hurt. Come here. You know, like, it's a totally different way of engaging the thing that I always love. I always like to leave these sort of, you know, closing invitations that I say to the woman, go home and meet your son. And she just lost it. Wow. Yeah. So. But. So, point being, I think there's a.

[Gary Brecke]

Lot of that, though. I mean, I. I grew up as. As an only child, but I raised three children.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And now I have a fourth with Sage, who entered my life at a very young age. She was five and a half. She's 17 now.

[Peter Crone]

Amazing.

[Gary Brecke]

And it's like. Like a daughter to me because of the time frame that she entered. Entered our life. We have this great modern family. But it is very interesting to see the dynamic between siblings, right. As they get older. Certain are very independent. Some are dependent. Not one's not better than the other.

[Peter Crone]

No.

[Gary Brecke]

It's just interesting how the hierarchy coming into the house and establishing their domains leads to these vastly different personalities.

[Peter Crone]

And I would assert, you know, again, there's no evidence, you know, it's just intuition. And people can take it or leave it, but that is a conscious choice from the soul to experience because it's often seen as, okay, you're the, the runt of the litter, you're the youngest, the weakest, you know that that's sort of the worst case scenario. But the number of people I've worked with who were the eldest sibling who had no childhood because their role became, I'm responsible for the life with pressure of my younger sister or brother. And then they become the care provider, the people pleaser. They don't know how to speak up because their needs didn't matter relative to the younger sibling who was weaker. And so wherever you come in, you're here to experience what it is that you're wanting to transcend. And these are the stages. I want to, as a man of my word, come back to what you shared about this shift in your life. And you started to attract all these other people. To me, that's no different than shifting the frequency on a radio. You came from one particular vibration which attracted a particular, in this case, music, which was the lifestyle, the people, the career, the dysfunction, and the trials and tribulations. You shift frequency, which to me is like a vertical ascension. You attune yourself to a different vibration and then just no different to a radio. Everything is out there, all the data. You're just going to attract different scenarios.

[Gary Brecke]

So incredible. I mean, just the, you know, the universal law of attraction. You know, I am such a deep believer now. Yeah. And you know, there's a lot of evidence, science and physics that are starting to explain this. You know, we're getting more and more sensitive equipment. You know, we're, we're really starting to reveal this quantum entanglement, you know, where we really are truly all interconnected. You know, there are things, interestingly sometimes that don't fit the scientific narrative, so we just sort of push them aside. We talked about this the other day and one of this, the quantum. A lot of people don't believe in this entanglement.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

This universal entanglement, but it's very true.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And you know, we call it intuition, all kinds of other things, but it really is this interconnectedness. And I talk about this all the time, about how in blue zones and longevity research, isolation.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Was the single biggest impact other than, you Know, terminal illness or trauma. Right. Obviously a bus could take somebody out. But isolation for human beings.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

As a comorbidity.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Which is how we put things into the model. Yeah. Had one of the greatest impacts on life lifespan. So if you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

At any age, you would put them in isolation. You know, broken heart syndrome. You know, these, these. We have these terms, but they're very real issues. And what you're saying is that if I'm paraphrasing, a lot of what you're teaching is that we can be isolated in plain sight.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Some of the loneliness people isolated ourselves.

[Peter Crone]

Some of the loneliest people I know are married with kids. You know, I like you, only child, orphan. You know, I could assert that I probably spent more time alone than any human being. Again, as a big claim, but you know, in that realm.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

And yet I'm not lonely. I've never been lonely. You know, and again, without sounding too poetic or like philosophical, I'm connected to Source because I am Source right now. Of course, I love companionship. The number of people like yourself and Sage that I've met on this trip that I'm so excited for, the friendships and the creations that we're going to explore together. But loneliness is really a reflection of being misidentified with the identity, as opposed to the essence of who you are.

[Gary Brecke]

Say that again. Loneliness.

[Peter Crone]

Yes. Is where we've become misidentified with our identity, our human existence, as opposed to the essence of who we are. We're human beings. The human points to the equipment, brain and body. The being is the essence. Like if I died right in front of you, as inconvenient as that would be for the show. Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

I mean, I'd have to cancel the podcast.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, no, no, you'd play it. It'd be. Probably be the most viewed. I mean, like someone died on your show and you.

[Gary Brecke]

You couldn't even died on your show, dude.

[Peter Crone]

You couldn't even save him.

[Gary Brecke]

Actually, a good point, if you wouldn't mind.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, yeah, that'd be great for numbers. I. As far as you see me as most people, as a human, you know, my. My outfit, my clothes, my every tissue and all of my organelles and my cells, they're all here. Where the hell did I go? Didn't see me get up and leave. So that to me starts to just in pure logic, explain that the essence of who we are is ineffable. Like we can only point to it. You know, it's the, all of these beautiful expressions like the seeker is the sort is one of my quotes. The essence of where we're looking from is what we're looking for. It's like a lighthouse, you know, the.

[Gary Brecke]

Essence of where we're looking from is what we're looking for. That is so profound because, yeah, it's, we orient ourselves based on our perceptions, our mind. You know, it's, it's, it's funny. Years ago I, I knew a very, very famous stock trader and he, he's being interviewed on CNBC and they were talking about his history of picking great stocks and they, and they asked him, you know, what, what his secret was. And you're expecting this big explanation about PE ratios and all those things, performance and finding the, you know, the, the needle in the haystack that nobody knew about. And he said, the secret to my success is that I have come to materially understand that perception is more important than reality.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Gary Brecke]

And yeah, it is so true.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, the, the fear of missing out makes people impulsively buy. Very often it drives. It drove the whole dot com revolution. You know, most of these companies weren't worth the dust that floated around the paper they were printed on, much less the paper they were printed on.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And then we get to billion dollar valuations because this fear of missing out and, and I think we create these perceptions.

[Peter Crone]

Of course. Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And, and that becomes our, our reality. Reality is really, perception is reality.

[Peter Crone]

We live on one globe, but there's 8 billion worlds because we all live in our own, in reality. And it's so beautiful. If you understand the mechanics of this dimension, that every human being will attract whatever is necessary for their own evolution. Isn't that cool? So you're not seeing, it's not the world you see, it's the way you see. And when people really get that, like, it's not that you're upset by or because of, it's just the way that you're interpreting that as usually a perceived threat.

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[Peter Crone]

One of my early on quotes or expressions for myself is when I was growing and starting to be more at peace with circumstances. Can be with this, whatever it is, can I be with this, like unaffected, Not. Not a victim of anything. And that to me was the equivalent to true peace and vitality. Dis. Ease. The absence of ease. I'm not at peace with circumstances, you know, oh, road rage. You know, that person just cut me off. Do you know that person? No. But you're giving them all that power over your internal terrain of emotional well being. Yeah, you know, that's a, that's a wake up call to do you want to be responsible for your health or do you want to give it all over to that of complete stranger in a piece of metal and plastic, you know, that interrupted your day for five seconds, you know?

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

It's quite fascinating. You know, so that's where people really, again, for me, it's an on, off switch. You're either a victim of circumstance or you're fully responsible for your life. End of story.

[Gary Brecke]

Wow.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, and that's, that's a place that most people don't want to go. They want the experience of it. But it's much easier to point fingers. But, you know, as they've often said, you point a finger at someone, you got three coming back at yourself.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah, but that's the, that's the ego. Being men. That's a protective mechanism.

[Peter Crone]

I mean, which is isolation. I mean, what is one of the worst consequences for a human being? You get thrown in prison. And then how do you amplify that? Solitary confinement.

[Gary Brecke]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Crone]

Second law of thermodynamics. You separate a piece is going to Entropy and eventually die.

[Gary Brecke]

That's right.

[Peter Crone]

You know, and so what I'm speaking to is, you know, I, I, I can remember a line. I'm going to see if I can actually recall it exactly. I said, you know, at the end, this guy was so scared that he, he didn't belong. He was, he was adopted into a family. So much of his story was, well, I, I wasn't actually part of the family, which was really a deeper, you know, underlying sense of, like, he just doesn't belong.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

Similar to not wanted, not loved. You know, they're all bedfellow. And at the end, I said, welcome to the gang that you were never not a part of.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

Humanity, life.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

And that itself, like, because he was worried, he started with Instagram posts. He's like, you know, I'm always worried about the one person who doesn't like my post.

[Gary Brecke]

Oh, my God. I worried about the one person didn't like my post.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

I put a hole somewhere.

[Peter Crone]

But it's something we can all relate to, you know, like, we get nine compliments and one criticism. That's the one that keeps us up at night.

[Gary Brecke]

It's so true.

[Peter Crone]

Because what it does is it triggers that part of us that we're here to reconcile, especially if it hits close.

[Gary Brecke]

To that sensitive part that we've.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Protected with our ego. Especially if it does that.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

How do we become more aware? It's through talking to people like yourself. That makes me more aware of the stages that I went through. But I won't say that I consciously said, okay, I recognize my ego. I've dismantled my ego.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

I'm now this person, not that person.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

It happened to me by, you know, circumstance, being frustrated with, you know, where I was really wanting a material change in my life. And along with that, that came this profound, deep sense of joy, connection, satisfaction.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And now I'm, I'm conscious of what really feeds my soul, for lack of better words, you know, where I really draw true enjoyment, which is almost entirely from the close to the inner circle of my family. Like, I live for these in betweens with my kids and my wife and the time that I, I, you know, get to spend with them just being real.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And I would exchange any monetary cycle in my life, you know, for those moments.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And it usually is very basic things. Hiking in the woods.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Driving racers around on the property, getting a workout in with my sons, you know.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

But how do we begin this journey of even getting in touch with our, our ego? Because sort of by its very nature, it's asking us to invite the question of whether or not we're not really in control or haven't been in control.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Which has its own set of issues, right?

[Peter Crone]

Huge. Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

So I think drawing awareness to the fact that, I mean, the ego is really, really detrimental.

[Peter Crone]

It's the greatest adversary of our life, and yet for that reason, the ultimate form of accomplishment. Yeah. And a lot of people, you know, the ego gets a bad rap. And ego to me is interchangeable with Persona, personality. Yeah, it's just really like the you that you are for yourself. Peter Gary, you know, it's like whatever. And then it's got all of these undercurrents of like, narratives that are like deleterious. So start with is awareness. Right. Like I say, these two main buckets that I deal with is awareness. So Carl Jung said, you know, until the unconscious is made conscious, it will rule your life and you'll call it fate. Right. So, you know, the traditional definition of guru in Sanskrit is one who brings light. So awareness is really bringing light to that which you can't see, a blind spot. You know, the number of times I've worked with someone, oh my God, I've. I've. That's been there for 40 years. Yeah. And it's that like, it's that sneaky, you know, and yet it's the greatest game afoot to me. Like, this is the game. And you know, when I start my three month mastermind, helping people understand and teach all of this, you know, I always say, you're not going to survive this mastermind because the you that arrived is not going to be the you that leaves. Right. So. And that's a good thing, right?

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Crone]

And so it's helping them understand that really who you are for yourself, the opportunity is to break out of that. Like it's this sort of invisible, like straight jacket for the soul. And so how do we get there? We have to. First of all, one of the best ways is really to become sufficiently aware, not necessarily even of your constraints, but of become aware of the effects of circumstance.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

You know, the thing is, in this day and age, we've got so many means of escape, right. To meaning, placate suffering and pain. Right. Fill in the blank. You know, food being probably one of the first, earliest ones. Right. The early adopters of a, you know, comfort. And then of course we've got alcohol, nicotine, they were early on.

[Gary Brecke]

And now we got just things to keep our mind busy because, you know, being present, being silent. I Mean, years ago was a very difficult thing for me. I never liked to sit in silence, so I constantly filled my time.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And I think a lot of us do that.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, the moment, you know, we. We arrive to a meeting, we're five minutes early. We can't actually just. Just sit in the lobby and wait to be calling. We've got to get on the phone. We've got to get that stimulus. We've got to. Because maybe it's, you know, it's a threat to be with our own thoughts.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. That's the awkward silence on a first date.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

It's not awkward silence. It's just silence. And then you're left with your internal dialogue, which is awkward.

[Gary Brecke]

Right, right. You're left with your internal dialogue, which is awkward. Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

I hope they don't find out what I think about myself. Which, of course, then you go into a marriage. Marriage. And hope to protect for the next 20 years until you can't do it anymore. And then they're like, screw you, I'm out of here, you know?

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[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

Take your trials and tribulations and internal conversations to the next.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah. My wife is always telling me, you're lucky you don't hear the internal conversations.

[Peter Crone]

Going, well, we're going to get rid of that, so I'm going to work on that.

[Gary Brecke]

No, that's great. I'm excited for you to work with Sage, you know, as a. As an ayurvedic practitioner.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Too. Which I find fascinating that you've sort of melded all of these things. This left brain, right brain, ancient wisdom. Ancient. Ancient practice of medicine. The oldest, Oldest form of medicine.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

They have these different. I don't want to misdescribe them, but body morphic images and body morphs, for lack of better words, PETA vada kapha.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

I think I'm a pita kapha. And when it was described to me, it was incredibly.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, spot on. I have all the manifestations of it. Or run hot, you know.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

All those things. Where does that play into all of this? Because as an aerobic practitioner, you don't just put that aside.

[Peter Crone]

No, no. It's a beautiful complement to the work, you know, for me, again, since I started like you, human biology, exercise physiology. I was a trainer to the stars for a few years, sculpting bodies. That was great. But it's dense. Right. This stuff takes a while to show.

[Gary Brecke]

The people that go on the track that you and I are on don't wind up where you Are.

[Peter Crone]

No.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. No. I feel very fortunate that I slipped into this through my own sort of trials and tribulations around finding and going through a ton of my own suffering. I kind of break through the other side.

[Gary Brecke]

It was more helpful. The fuck around or the find out.

[Peter Crone]

Part, I think they were sort of inextricably connected. Can't have one without the other.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

So I think, yeah, it's sort of. It's a calling. It's a. You know, even on ChatGPT, you look up Peter Crow and they're like, oh, his is more. It's not a work. It's so much as a movement and a calling. You know, it's like. So really I have the audacity now to think that I can truly shift the course of humanity by ending human suffering. Suffering. Because really, we're old. We're running a redundant operating system which is based on survival. So, you know, when we get out of that, then it's literally an entirely different frequency to live from. It's an entirely new domain and world. So, yeah, for me to, like, why I got there is again, I just felt like I. I saw the Matrix, you know, like not just the movie, but the world that we live in, you know, that albeit a film from. It's hard to believe they made that 25 something years ago, maybe more. And it was so spot on, but it was a documentary about human life, you know, and so for me, for whatever, call it cosmic, my karma, my astrologers will always say, I got Mercury and Jupiter in the first house. You're a guru. You're a great communicator. You articulate these intricate patterns. You make the profound palatable, you know, and so it's just Dharma, you know, it's like, why are you brilliant at what you do? Like, this is my realm of genius. And so I feel, or blessed, fortunate that I can truly dissolve suffering. I say I don't solve problems anymore. I dissolve them. So for me, to get to that place where I can remember, I ski instructed for a while too. One summer during college, and I had two people at the top of a slope, and I'd watch them come down on paper. Identical, different name and family and astrology and whatever. But they had same body, same experience, same equipment.

[Gary Brecke]

And.

[Peter Crone]

But one was super timid, and one was just like, go for it, you know, and that to me, then I started to see, it's not hardware, it's software.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

And so then I was like, okay, this is like, okay, if I can change the software, then I completely and directly impact hardware. And that's why the mind for me sits out the body. Because if you have code, that is, I'm not good enough, I'm this, I'm that, then your body is living in that sort of hostile, derogatory environment. So at some time, depending on your constitution, you know, if you're kapha, great, then I can understand that you can withstand, oh yeah, you know, the thickest, you know, tough as nails. Your skin is thick, you know, literally. But also figuratively, you know, if you're a pitta, then yes, you're going to have inflammatory disorders. So where it helps me in my work is it's supportive. In as much as I know a vata person more like a sage and you know, they're going to struggle more with future propositions that are like worst case scenarios which then what's that going to create? Fear, anxiety, worry. How does that manifest in the physiology? Might eventually become Hashimoto's adrenal fatigue. Because you're too busy like the hamster on the wheel, trying to figure what's going to happen because really you're being driven from the concern that you're not going to be okay. Yeah, pull that rug from beneath. It's like, oh. Then all of a sudden the physiological impacts dissipate. Pitter person, I know they're going to run hot. What does that mean emotionally? They're the perfectionists. Light fire brings the ability to see. So you and I have the capacity to see things other people can't see. But when it's out of balance, that becomes perfectionism, maybe even tyranny. Right. The CEOs that we work with, they're visionaries. They see. But if they're out of whack and it's built on a foundation of not enough, then that has to be. They have to be in that position. They have to be right. But fire, when it's balanced, is inspiration. It's teachers, it's people who see. They can help you see without making it a judgment or making you wrong, wrong. And then our beautiful, you know, Kaphas, like I said, they're a cumulative disorder. So I understand that they're going to hold on to things. They're going to be stuck in their history. They're going to tend towards things like depression, guilt, shame. They're holding on. There's a heaviness, it's hard for them to get out of a relationship and a job. There's a density. So they need, you know, I can speak to a Kafa Way tougher than I can speak to a vata who needs a little bit more Molly cuddling. Yeah, it's okay, don't worry about it. They want to feel safe. They don't feel, you know, secure in themselves because they're all up in the ethers again. Brilliant. Tapped in like, you know, they're so enthusiastic about life. They're passionate, they're spontaneous, they're the great PR and marketing people. You know, they're enthused but then they collapse. You know, they get things really quickly. They forget them just as quickly, you know.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

They're going to long term end up in the Parkinson's and Alzheimer's because they're degenerative disorders.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

So I can pull from all of these different energies and then immediately when someone's telling my story, very, you know, almost unconsciously, I can see. Okay, well, they're a pitts of predominant person. They're going to be super self critical, you know. So where did they hear from a teacher, a high school coach, a mom, a dad that, you know, you're, you know, I have One of my MLB guys, he could go 4 for 5 at a baseball game, which is batting.800, and he'd still kind of walk around like on his chin, on his chest. I'm like, what's up? You know, and he's like, well, I could have, you know, I could have done better. I'm like, where did you learn that? And he's like, well, I don't know. We'd go home from games and my dad would always say, what happened at the fifth at bat?

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

You know, so he's still in that code of like, it wasn't quite enough.

[Gary Brecke]

You know, I, I, I heard you say there's, there are plenty of male professional athletes that are male professional athletes because they wanted to prove their father wrong.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

And it just shows how profound these voices are.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. There's nothing more, there's no greater virus than a thought. And to me, you know, there's nothing that hurts us more than our own thinking. And when you really get that. So to go back to your question of how people can start look at the impact of the way that you talk to yourself over time. Sometimes it's not so obvious because it comes normalized or as we discussed, you learn to escape the pain. You know, even medication, which is a medication. Right. It's drugs. Like no one's taking medication in pharma. Medication is preventative or curative. Right. If you have to get a refill, you don't have a medicine, you have a drug. Very simple distinction. Right. And so that's the first thing to see anyone out there on any form of medication, whether it's social media, actual drugs, street or recreational or prescribed food, sex, Netflix. Look at the effect. How many people say they have dreams and aspirations, get in shape, create a business, start a homestead, whatever people are passionate about, but you're not doing it. Why fight? There's an effect, but you've just become okay with it. People become resigned and cynical. They're no longer, like, actually enthusiastic for their life. It becomes normalized.

[Gary Brecke]

Right.

[Peter Crone]

So that's one of the places to.

[Gary Brecke]

Look at normal is safe.

[Peter Crone]

You know, I mean, it occurs as safe.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah.

[Peter Crone]

It's actually the most dangerous way to live.

[Gary Brecke]

Yeah, I totally agree with you.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Wow. I.

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[Gary Brecke]

That was amazing, Peter. I mean, first of all, where can my audience find out more about you?

[Peter Crone]

Just my name is everywhere. Like, in terms of all the platforms, meaning it's not everywhere everywhere, but it's PeterKrohn.com for a website. It's PeterKrohn for Instagram, my LinkedIn, my Facebook. Yeah. So I think my Instagram is probably the most informative. Like, I don't post pictures of me, you know, with cars and salads. It's all like, hopefully. It's all, hopefully, inspirational salads. I don't know. Well, people do. So inspiring. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Gary Brecke]

Your Lamborghini and your quinoa salad.

[Peter Crone]

Exactly. Here's my lunch today. No, I like to take clips from beautiful conversations like this. So hopefully it's super informative if people want to see Live in action. When I'm working with people, because everyone can relate, you know, that's the beauty. I can work with six people in front of hundreds. And yeah, everybody got something, because, oh, my God, that's how I feel, you know, so the vicarious effect.

[Gary Brecke]

It's why I always take questions from the audience, too, because somebody brave enough to raise their hand and ask the question. There's somebody five seats away. That's the exact same.

[Peter Crone]

Same question, 100%. And somebody who didn't even know they needed the question.

[Gary Brecke]

Exactly.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecke]

Well, fantastic. I don't think I've ever been more excited to ask a guest this question, because I end all my podcasts by. By asking the same question. And then after this, we're going to go into my VIP group and they have some special questions. I have this group of. Called the. Called the ultimate human VIPs. And this is the community that I'm really Trying to build to amazing influence the world. And I let them know ahead of time who's coming on the podcast. So.

[Peter Crone]

Awesome.

[Gary Brecke]

They have some questions for you.

[Peter Crone]

Okay, great.

[Gary Brecke]

But I end all my podcasts by asking every guest the same question. And. And there's no right or wrong answer, but. What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

[Peter Crone]

What does it mean to be an ultimate human? I think I already have a predisposition, because of my work to be a being who not only embraces their humanity, but recognizes the misidentification with it, such that they can really live from the essence of who we are and therefore experience true freedom, love, and possibility from.

[Gary Brecke]

The essence of who we are. That's a big distinction.

[Peter Crone]

Yeah. Because most people are. Most people are trying to get away from something they don't want. Right. Even with the people you were, they have their issue, the high bipolar, you know, hypertension, and like, the whatever's going on in their physiology. So most people, again, I say, you'll never create the life you want by trying to fix a life you don't want. And that's the way that most people are currently wired. I have my problems. Health, wealth, relationships. How do I fix it? Which only perpetuates it. That's trying to get away from something. If you're more proactive, you're at least working towards something. But they're both based in time. And for me, I want to live from something. The essence of who we are. So that is to be the ultimate human being is to live from the essence of the timeless, limitless beings that we are.

[Gary Brecke]

If it's not the best answer I've had so far, it's up there. I've had hundreds of episodes. Peter, this was absolutely amazing, brother. Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to continuing to get to know you and following your work. You definitely peaked my interest, and I think my audience is going to absolutely love this. So thank you guys. Until next time, that's just science.