241. Josh Bruni: EMF Mitigation, NFL Stadium Controversies & the Impact on Reproductive Health

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka

Episode 241: Josh Bruni — On EMF Mitigation, NFL Stadium Controversies & the Impact on Reproductive Health
Date: February 3, 2026
Host: Gary Brecka
Guest: Josh Bruni, CEO of Aires Tech

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Gary Brecka and guest Josh Bruni explore electromagnetic fields (EMFs) as an emerging and often misunderstood health stressor. They debunk common EMF myths, discuss the science behind EMFs and human physiology, and examine tools and practical strategies for EMF mitigation. The conversation covers the NFL 49ers’ stadium controversy, EMF’s impact on reproductive health, and the unique vulnerabilities of certain populations. Bruni also explains the innovative physics and practical applications behind Aires Tech EMF-mitigation devices.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. EMFs: Ubiquitous and Increasingly Complex

[03:44-08:23]

• Modern life has saturated our environments with man-made EMFs from wireless tech, appliances, and infrastructure.
• EMFs are viewed as an “invisible tank”—just as fish get sick from dirty water, human health is undermined by a “dirty” electromagnetic environment.
• “Our environments now, because of convenience, have become highly toxic.” – Gary Brecka [00:11]
• People fall into polarized camps: those dismissing EMF risks as “hogwash” and those who have personally experienced negative effects.

2. The Science: Chaos, Not Power, Is the Problem

[10:28-19:58]

• Most misunderstandings about EMF health impacts stem from focusing on “power” (how strong the signal is) rather than “complexity” (overlapping, chaotic fields).
• The body reads complex, overlapping EMF fields as biological “noise,” disrupting cellular ion channels, calcium gating, and ATP production (cellular energy).
• “It isn’t about the energy. It isn’t about peak energy. It’s about complex overlapping fields that create massive amounts of interference. And to the body, that’s perceived as noise…” – Josh Bruni [10:56]
• NFL Stadium Controversy: 49ers’ higher rates of non-contact injuries may correlate to their stadium's proximity to a massive power plant, potentially exposing players to complex EMF environments.
  • “I’m not saying this is causal. I’m saying it could be correlated.” – Gary Brecka [10:07]

3. Why Blocking EMFs Doesn’t Work (and Can Make It Worse)

[23:40-28:08]

• Blocking EMFs (tin foil, Faraday cages, “protective” clothes) can increase field complexity, making the biological impact worse due to increased internal reflections/interference.
• Demonstrations with EMF meters misunderstand the issue by measuring power, not field complexity.
• “Blocking is really not a good solution… Because it isn’t simple. It’s either blocking or you’re not.” – Josh Bruni [27:07]
• EMFs are 3D and omnipresent—localized “shielding” (e.g., a blanket on your lap) is ineffective.

4. Mitigation, Not Elimination: Aires’ Structured Field Approach

[29:37-39:22]

• Aires Tech creates silicon-based fractal resonators that don’t block EMFs but create a predictable, coherent field, minimizing biological stress.
• Inspired by space shuttle research and fractal antenna theory, their chips interact with ambient EMFs to create a “buffer” that tunes the environment for human biology.
• “It’s predictable, it’s stable, it’s coherent, which is the environment that your body thrives in…” – Josh Bruni [35:59]
• This is a passive biohack, akin to installing a water filter—once present, it continually helps.

5. Who Is Most at Risk? Vulnerable Populations & Environments

[08:09; 47:04-49:03; 74:27-77:19]

• Pregnant women, children, and those with chronic illnesses (e.g., Lyme disease) are most at risk due to higher sensitivity and developmental vulnerabilities.
  • “What she’s exposing herself to, the baby’s being exposed to…” – Josh Bruni [48:53]
• Athletic performance and recovery (rest and HRV) can also be measurably impacted by intense EMF environments such as NFL fields and, especially, airplane cabins.
  • “It’s the absolute worst EMF environment you can be in.” – Josh Bruni [30:37]

6. Practical Strategies for EMF Mitigation

[49:32-70:38]

• Distance from Sources: Place high-EMF infrastructure (EV chargers, smart meters) away from bedrooms or heavily used spaces.
  • “Distance is always the most important thing.” – Josh Bruni [50:49]
• Manage Complexity, Not Just Strength: The more devices (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, smart appliances), the more complex the field. Only use what’s necessary; opt out of smart meters; avoid unnecessary “smart” tech.
• Wi-Fi Optimization: Counterintuitively, a strong, clear Wi-Fi signal creates LESS EMF field complexity than a patchy, weak signal.
  • “If you want Wi-Fi in your house, you should do everything to make sure that that Wi-Fi signal is as clear and clean as possible. The better the signal, the less EMF, because the less complex the field is.” – Josh Bruni [00:00] & [69:17]
• Hardwire Internet when possible; unplug or shut down wireless routers at night if sensitive.
• For Frequent Flyers: Use grounding/earthing immediately after landing.
  • “If you land and ground almost immediately…it’s amazing the benefit that has.” – Josh Bruni [57:59]
• Hydration and Electrolytes: Proper hydration, especially with minerals like magnesium, supports biological resilience to EMF-induced stress.

7. Aires Tech Devices in Practice

[53:25-55:54; 77:19-79:07]

• Personal Devices: Start mitigation with the one on the back of your phone; wearables (necklaces) and area devices (“Zone”/“Zone Max”) cover larger spaces—stacking them amplifies effect.
• Professional Applications: Aires devices have been deployed in professional sports arenas (e.g., Minnesota Timberwolves) and are being piloted in major airline cabins.
• Cars: All modern cars (not just EVs) have high EMF exposure due to integrated digital systems; placing a resonator near the dash or close to you helps.

8. Reproductive Health Impacts

[74:33-76:51]

• EMFs especially affect rapidly dividing cells: sperm, breast tissue, and embryonic tissue.
  • “Cell phone in your pocket if you’re a man is going to disrupt everything…” – Josh Bruni referencing Andrew Huberman [75:22]
• For men, keep phones out of pockets or use airplane mode; for women, avoid placing phones in bras or sports bras.

9. Research & Measurable Outcomes

[40:41-43:56]

• Aires Tech has 40+ studies (published and in review) supporting device efficacy.
• Demonstrated improvements in HRV, electrical activity in the brain (EEG), and reaction times in professional athletes.
• New research uses infrared imaging to visualize stabilized fields, further validating the technology.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “It isn’t about the energy. It isn’t about peak energy. It’s about complex overlapping fields that create massive amounts of interference. And to the body, that’s perceived as noise, and it’s perceived as signaling noise.” – Josh Bruni [10:56]
• “Our environments now, because of convenience, have become highly toxic.” – Gary Brecka [00:11]
• “Blocking is really not a good solution…” – Josh Bruni [27:05]
• “The better the [wifi] signal, the less EMF, because the less complex the field is.” – Josh Bruni [00:00]; [69:17]
• “If you land and ground almost immediately…it’s amazing the benefits that that has.” – Josh Bruni [57:59]
• “Virtually every vehicle is terrible because of the dash… placing an Aires device up front is critical.” – Josh Bruni [62:43]
• “EMF is not the thing, but it’s starting you at a steeper incline.” – Josh Bruni [39:23]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro & Episode Context: [01:03-03:17]
• What Are EMFs & Why They Matter: [05:38-08:23]
• NFL 49ers Injury & Stadium Power Plant Controversy: [09:05-10:28]
• Cellular Biology and EMFs: [13:11-18:53]
• Why EMF Blocking Fails: [23:40-28:08]
• Aires Tech’s Unique Approach: [29:37-39:22]
• Practical Everyday Mitigation: [49:32-70:38]
• Reproductive Health Risks: [74:33-76:51]
• Device Placement & Efficacy: [77:19-79:10]
• Sensitivity & Chronic Illness (Lyme, EHS): [64:09-68:54]
• Final Reflections/Definition of Ultimate Human: [88:59-89:48]

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Final Reflections

• Who Is Most Sensitive? Those with chronic illness, Lyme disease, children, and pregnant women appear highly sensitive; elite athletes are also tuned into environmental disruption.
• What Is an Ultimate Human? “Being an ultimate human is actually preparing yourself mentally, physically, emotionally to do that job extremely well… so that my kids can keep doing that well over time.” – Josh Bruni [89:11]

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Resources, Links, and Further Reading

• Aires Tech (Company): https://www.airestech.com
• NFL 49ers Stadium EMF News: [Referenced articles, not specified]
• Research Studies (to be added to show notes as published)
• Mike Bender’s “Quiet House” (Men’s Health): [Link to be added]
• Andrew Huberman Podcast on Reproductive Health
• Antenna Database: https://www.antennasearch.com

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Takeaways

• Focus on minimizing EMF complexity, not just power.
• Use distance and thoughtful placement to reduce exposure.
• Keep wireless tech uncluttered, signals clear, and opt for mitigation rather than blocking.
• Aires Tech aims to “tune” your environment for biological coherence, supported by emerging research and measurable metrics in real-world settings.
• Pregnant women, children, and the chronically ill should be especially mindful of EMFs in their environment.

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Closing

This episode reframes EMF exposure as a real and measurable stressor, grounding the discussion in actionable science and steering clear of fear-mongering or unproven claims. For anyone curious about the intersection of wireless technology and health optimization, it’s a must-listen.

“Until next time, guys, that’s just science.” – Gary Brecka [89:52]

Transcript

[Josh Bruni]

If you want to have WI fi in your house, you should do everything to make sure that that WI FI signal is as clear and clean as possible. The better the signal, the less emf, because the less complex the field is.

[Gary Brecka]

Our environments now, because of convenience, have become highly toxic.

[Josh Bruni]

I do think that our worlds are so densely saturated now with electromagnetic fields, but we do know that on a daily basis that it does introduce stress into the system.

[Gary Brecka]

By creating uniformity in this field, the body has harmony. Rather than this just widely changing, constant environment, it's having to shift its adaptation less frequently.

[Josh Bruni]

Harry's approach was, how do we control the electromagnetic fields around us and within the body to promote healing?

[Gary Brecka]

What benefit do you get from using something that is mitigating the effects of the cmf?

[Josh Bruni]

The one thing that I would say is, again, going back to the physics side is. Ultimate Human.

[Gary Brecka]

Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything anti aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. Now, buckle up, because today's episode is going to blow your mind. And it might just explain why you're exhausted, why you can't sleep, and why your body feels like it's aging faster than it should. But my guest is Josh Bruni from Aries Tech, and we're diving into one of the most overlooked health stressors of the modern era. Electromagnetic fields. Now, before you roll your eyes and think tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, stay with me, because what Josh is going to explain has nothing to do with blocking EMFs or wrapping yourself in a Faraday cage. In fact, he's going to prove why blocking EMFs actually makes your exposure worse. And in this conversation, Josh is going to reveal why your body is an electrical being and how EMF disrupts ion channels, calcium gating, and ATP production at a cellular level. The physics breakthrough that changed everything. It's not about power. It's about chaos and overlapping electromagnetic fields. Why airplanes are the worst EMF environment you can be in. And what frequent flyers need to do immediately after landing. The Lyme disease connection or why people with chronic illnesses are hypersensitive to EMF fields. Pay special attention to when Josh explains why your body conducts electromagnetic fields and interprets them as noise, disrupting every biological process from sleep to mitochondrial function. Let's get into it. Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecke, where we go down the road of everything anti aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today is going to be one of those in between conversations. You're going to add. Absolutely. Love. We have the CEO of Aries Tech, Josh Bruni, on the podcast to talk about everything emf and clear the air, if you will, on Em. Dude, I actually like that as a tagline. Dude. I, I think I, I should get. I get 2% customary referral fee for that one. But talk about everything emf and we're really. This is going to be a phenomenal podcast. It actually started in my kitchen before we actually came in into the podcast room, like so many of my podcasts do. You're really going to enjoy this one. Welcome to the podcast, Josh. It's great.

[Josh Bruni]

Super excited to.

[Gary Brecka]

Dude, I'm pumped to have you too, man. This is a long time in the making.

[Josh Bruni]

It's been a long time. It's been a long time. But I'm super excited to be here. It's. I. Walking around the space has been like. It's like Candyland. I don't know if that's the right word. I don't. If you're a biohacker, Willy Wonka chocolate. I don't know what it is, but it's. It was inspiring. And I could just. I just wanted to lay in the beds. I just want to do the things right, like massage. I did. I got the massage.

[Gary Brecka]

Got a water massage.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. But, man, I just. As we talked in the past leading up to this, I'm just a big fan of the work and the message and like, I know it's hard, like the burden and the challenges and the resistance, but then the payoff, right? Like that feeling when you have those moments you interact with people that you've deeply impacted, that's what keeps you going. And, and I, and I feel similar in, in my journey here. And so to be able to bring this together and actually have this conversation is, Is a real pleasure for me.

[Gary Brecka]

That's. That's really kind of you, man. Thank you so much. I mean, you know, I, I've been really interested in the, in, in the world of emf. I certainly don't profess to be an expert in it. You know, a lot of biohacking now is centered around just getting us back to the basics. It's like, it's, it's actually mitigating our modern environments. You know, the same thing happens with, you know, our highly processed foods and, you know, water having fluorides and chlorines and, you know, regulating our lighting and regulating our air temperature and our environments now because of Convenience have become highly toxic. And I always use the adage that, you know, when a fish gets sick, the first thing we do is clean the tank. And I think this is really applicable to EMFs, because it's funny how I find that people fall into two camps. That's complete hogwash. It doesn't exist. You know, that's witchcraft. And you're making it up and like, oh, no, no, no, no. I have a relative that this happened to. I've experienced it. You know, I'm mitigating my EMFs and, you know, this weird unexplained sickness that I had got better. And. And I'm in the camp of this is a part of cleaning up our environment. And I'd love if you just for my audience, talk a little bit about, like, what are EMFs, where are they coming from, you know, and why should be be worried about even mitigating them?

[Josh Bruni]

First of all, I love the setup there because I think what you did is you grounded it in something that people already understand. And we've already been on this journey in a health and wellness now for. For quite some time of like, really just kind of getting back to, like, our ancestral health. And I know that's even actually a word that people use frequently.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And I'm just saying it from a fact of like, our bodies enjoy what they were built to do. And the more that we can be thoughtful about curating that, the better we thrive and we live. And so at Aries, we call that environmental clarity. And when we talk about it, we're talking about the electromagnetic fields and environment that's around us. And so.

[Gary Brecka]

The tank.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, the tank. Essentially, the water. The tank. It's a great analogy, and I think I agree with you because we deal this every day. Like, people are super polarized on this. Again, no pun intended on that.

[Gary Brecka]

But funny.

[Josh Bruni]

It made it funny, but no, that's it. It's interesting how divided people are. And my hope for this conversation is that we can close that gap with factual information. I don't think that we need to stretch it out to the. To the ends of all the different possibilities that could occur that the scientists are still debating. We'll just let them keep debating that. But what we can talk about is what we do know for sure today and what does that mean for human health and in longevity and all the different, you know, elements of just living a good, good life. And emf, in my opinion, I'm biased, obviously, but I would love to see the conversation with EMF become a foundational health and wellness practice. We talk about, you know, food and, and water and sleep and stress, air, sun, all these different things, movement. I do think that our worlds are so densely saturated now with electromagnetic fields that again, I'm not going to say they're going to do all these very extreme health outcomes, but we do know that on a daily basis, on an immediate basis, that it does introduce stress into the system. It's measurable and it's immediate. And so.

[Gary Brecka]

And it's definitive. It's a non debatable part.

[Josh Bruni]

It's a non debatable part. And so to me, I think having that conversation and starting there and saying, okay, we can talk about what is emf, how does it work, all those things that really draw down to what is happening when you get to this, I don't know, this, this fusion of man and technology, what's happening at that point. We can, we can kind of, we can talk about that. But to me, I think it should be one of those pillars because it is actually something that we need to be thinking about.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And I would say those that are in vulnerable groups, whether you're trying to conceive already pregnant, having kids, there's, there's a varying degree of effect that happens to all the different populations.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

And I just think it's something everyone should pay pay attention to. Then, like, the last thing I would say is, like, I think what I'm excited about this podcast is I think this is going to be one of the biggest long turn evergreen podcasts that you do because of how controversial. And it affects everybody. It affects everybody on the planet. You know, like, no, really, nobody can escape it now. Like, even the, you know, the, the tribes in the Amazon or wherever they are, like, it's in our atmosphere like now. It's obviously not going to impact them nearly as much. But my point is, is like billions of people are affected every day and billions of people have questions and an intuition that something is off in their environment. And that's what I think we can address today.

[Gary Brecka]

Well, what's really interesting is, is what is big in the news right now is, you know, the 49ers and their stadium in their practice field is in close proximity to this massive power power plant. And my podcast director actually showed me right before we walked on the podcast, he showed me like an aerial view of it and you see the stadium and you see the practice and then you see this massive power plant and for what, the last 10 years. And I don't want to misquote this Because I only brushed through the article. But for the last 10 years, you know, they've, they've led the league in, in very specific kinds of injuries, mainly ligamentous injuries like Achilles heels. And so it's, it's very much in the news right now. And you know, when you have a large group of athletes practicing consistently in the same location, coming up with the same inj that practice elsewhere and don't have the same injury. I am not saying this is causal. I'm saying it could be correlated. Right. Just to be hyper specific. But it's really interesting how this is just, you know, really coming into the news because, you know, the team's got to be looking at this and going, well, could this power plant and all of this EMF potentially be what's causing, you know, us to lead the league in injuries for a decade?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, it's a great place to start because I think it's a great way to bring good information and factual information to this, the physics side of it. Right. So I would say on the physics side, and I've been following this, we've had a lot of people, you know, contact us and I will also say that the NFL from a pro sports standpoint is probably one of our biggest customers across the board. Like right on the, things like that. So it's definitely top of mind and you've. The other thing that you've seen in.

[Gary Brecka]

In, you know, the 49ers, the biggest customer.

[Josh Bruni]

And look, I can't say any of that stuff but, but my point is like NFL players are thinking a lot about this health and I think where they're, or the, the effect of emf and I think where that's coming from is from a lot of different places. Again, I think that they're doing a good job, but they're probably starting from a place of like neurology and like how do I, how do I improve certain things or, or help certain things, maybe rest, relaxation, sleep. And in this particular situation, the. There's a. I wish I knew the author's name of the paper because he deserves some credit for at least drawing some connections. Whether it proves out to be, you know, causal like you said, or just correlation. I still think it's worth noting just for the fact that the conversation has started. And on a side note, when my wife and I back in probably 2000, 2001, we're looking to buy our first house, right before we signed the paper, they said, hey, by the way, we're going to build this substation behind this house. So you have to sign this paper to say you knew that already and we didn't buy the house. And now you've come full circle. 25 years later, here I am, like, it's wild. So. So back then in totally, my wife was like, absolutely no, right. And I don't know why, I don't know why, but, like, come on. You know, I think to start with the physics side of this conversation, the one thing that I hear a lot of is the EMF coming out of that type of environment is in the hertz range. It's not in the extreme megahertz, gigahertz and so forth. And so people are like, therefore, it's safe, because we'll use different tools and instruments at those ranges for healing and things like that. But that is where the initial problem starts with this conversation is it isn't about the energy. It isn't about peak energy. It's about complex overlapping fields that create massive amounts of interference. And to the body, that's perceived as noise, and it's perceived as signaling noise. And so you know this, and you, you'll speak probably better this than I will, but the number of processes that rely on electrical signaling and timing is basically your whole system.

[Gary Brecka]

It's the only way that nutrients enter and exit cells, I mean, that also live. A bilayer is, is permeable because of these charges.

[Josh Bruni]

Because these charges, yeah, you're talking about, you know, ion, you know, gating and calcium ion. Gating and calcium ion gates is super sensitive to emf. And the reason why I start there is like, those are facts. These are the parts of science and the medical field and biology that are not debated, is we know that emf, especially noisy emf, disrupts signaling. And so starting to the point of, on the, on the biology side, the body's electric. So for those that are watching that don't know that, I would assume everyone in your audience already knows that, but a lot of people don't. They don't understand that your body works, your heart generates power and your brain uses the power and it's sending information. And a lot of this is timing. The endocrine system is super timed with multiple parts of the body. All sorts of timing occurs. And so when you introduce this energy, regardless of the power, the complexity and the interference and the noise is disruptive. And so it isn't about the power, isn't about the fact that it's 50 hertz, the, the size of that substation, by the way.

[Gary Brecka]

Oh, it was massive.

[Josh Bruni]

It was massive. It was like what? 4?

[Gary Brecka]

I'm actually going to go down the rabbit hole of this, you know, because, because, you know, I mean the, the, the NFL, I mean, they've been talking about this for years. You know, they, the, the one thing they would mitigate if they could are non contact injuries. Injuries. I mean, you can't do much about trauma, right? I mean, if your foot's planted and somebody, you know, tackles you from the side, you're going to have injuries. It's going to go with the sport, it's going to go with any sport. But if you can limit the number of non contact injuries, you know, like a, you know, a player on the sideline that blows an Achilles heel being whistled into the game, not, not, not being, being tackled. I mean, I, I'm, I, I'm gonna, I probably will do a whole podcast on this, but yeah, yeah, I'm very interested. So, so you're saying it's, we're starting from the area that's non debatable. There are electromagnetic fields or, and these fields are disruptive and your body does respond to them, full stop. Now, to the extent that they are leading to specific ailments, there's no direct causal relationship. But again, this is, these are non natural.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, I actually as a, we are a publicly traded company, so I'm, I have very limited things I can say. When I say this outcome is possible, this outcome is possible, or this is a matter of fact, I can't say those things. And that's probably good because it's forced me to be more disciplined and thoughtful about how I explain these topics. And I think in this situation, I don't think when you look at the electrical signaling that takes place in the body, just from like a fundamental first principle standpoint, if you even start from let's say the reproductive system, we know that number one for males, it's outside of the body and it's sperm and the, that the whole system is hypersensitive to emf. We already know that. We know that fluid, we know that water is, that's something you can test at home. Like you can look at a microscope and see how water changes structure in the presence of man made emf. You can see that in blood. So you can see clumping and clustering in blood. There's no questions. These are not questions anymore.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, when I talk about grounding and repolarizing cellular surfaces, you know, I've actually done these tests. In fact, I made Max do it. I made Max my guinea pig. And you know, I would prick his finger, put it on a slide, show it in real time and show how the blood gets like a rule A. Like they, you know, they stack. Because on the surface of all of our cel is. Is a charge.

[Josh Bruni]

Yep.

[Gary Brecka]

And when they're the same charge, cells don't touch. When they're opposite charges, they attract. And using a PMF mat, or touching the surface of the earth, like grounding, you know, discharging.

[Josh Bruni]

Discharging the energy.

[Gary Brecka]

Low gas field. Yeah, so I didn't mean to interrupt you, but.

[Josh Bruni]

No, but that's the point of, like, the body runs on electromagnetic fields. Like it runs on that and to kind of back up even and say, well, what are electromagnetic fields? Electromagnetic fields are the conditions that are created by electrical and wireless technologies and systems. And as they're transferring this through the air. And I think, to clarify one thing for a lot of people is we think that they're like beams. Like, you see the antenna when you drive by and you have your cell phone, like, it's beaming me information. That's not how it works. It's better to think of it like your fish tank example is actually a better idea is like, it's all around us, and it's a cloud. It's a cloud. And when it's a structured cloud that. That's highly modulated and tuned for specific functions, it's hyper noisy, which means it's chaotic, meaning overlapping fields. And there's like, as. It's complex and it's unpredictable is the better way to say that. And so the, the. Again, don't torch me on this, but I'm not a communications expert, but the idea is that you're not sending like a straight line of information to my cell phone. It's within that cloud. A change occurs at the source, and the same change is occurring at the receiver. And through this connected field, the information is then connected because they couple together, and the body's coupling nonstop as well. Again, kind of going back to the gut, the brain. Right, right. That connection is similarly also very much disrupted by EMF for the exact same reason. So now the other thing to understand about fields is everything within that field becomes part of the field. So like humans, buildings, plants, animals, you all become everything becomes part of the field. So if I'm in the field, I'm now defracting and deflecting and reflecting more.

[Gary Brecka]

Absorbing part of it.

[Josh Bruni]

I'm also then absorbing and conducting. And so our bodies are basically constantly listening to their environment and interpreting and then adapting and compensating. And I think It. The where EMF now enters, that is, you're in the field. We just established that. We just talked about that. And you're conducting because we're conduction engines, essentially. We could even talk about the word electrolytes and why it says electro. Yeah, because that's conduction. Right. And you're putting, you know, minerals that change to ions and carry conduction. All these things are connected. And so we just ignore the fact that it's electrolytes and not thinking that. It just became a word. Right. No one even knows what it means. It just became a word. The point is, though, it's. Your body is using all of these mechanisms to conduct. So now I'm in this field, I'm conducting. My body's trying to interpret this complex, noisy, chaotic field that's constantly changing. It's unpredictable. Right. Your body likes constant, predictable, coherent signals.

[Gary Brecka]

Agree with that.

[Josh Bruni]

And so the rest of your systems are just. It's. It's. What do I do with this? What do I do with this? The ion gates are, you know, getting stuck open, or they're slow or they're sticky, which then creates extra energy expenditure. When you talk about the mitochondria and the effect on the ATP production because it's. They miss the timing, so it requires extra energy. And so I'll stop there, but. But that's where I think the conversation should start. It makes it easier for people to understand. I'm not talking about extreme health outcomes. We're just simply stating this is happening in real time. So we talk about the 49ers in this gigantic substation that's producing, who knows the amount of complex fields that are being overlapped and creating noise. The, again, the physics side of this is when we talk about complex fields, we're talking about a lot of waves that are out of phase. They're not coherent. They're interfering with each other, which means constructive and destructive interference, which. Some are getting more. They're getting stronger because they're adding on top of each other and some are dropping. So that just creates a lot of noise. And your biology perceives that. We as humans don't see it because it's invisible. That's a human limitation, right? Not a physics or, you know, biology limitation. That's just a human limitation. We can't see it. Right. So we talk about the 49ers. To me, that's where I would start to poke around and say, okay, this is a complex field. What can we do? Either we move or we do something about it. And I Think that's where, like when we aries for us, we talk about environmental clarity. And I know we'll talk about this before, but the whole premise of what we do is create a structured field that is predictable in a very short way. That's what we do. So we interact with the environment around you, make it predictable and structured and redistribute that energy. And so from a 49er standpoint, look again, is it causal? I don't know. It's early, you know, because I think people try to poke around this conversation, but it does. It did open the conversation, which I'm excited about.

[Gary Brecka]

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[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

So then is it really working to mitigate the emf? So how does, how does that work?

[Josh Bruni]

That's a good question. People struggle with is this field of physics is narrow. And even, like, you know, we talk with a lot of, like, cell phone antenna, you know, designers, and they don't understand half of, you know, what we're talking about because they're, they're in another narrow field. And, and so I, I empathize with people because this is, this is difficult, like narrow fields of, of research. And, and I think that we can simplify that. I did want to kind of just touch on the idea of blocking, because I do think that that's easy to understand, but I also think it's easy to understand the idea of blocking. What is misunderstood is that you can actually block frequencies, because I would say the other thing, in addition to the 49ers content floating around the Internet right now, is, I would say one. I don't know if people like to be called influencers, but there's an MD that's an influencer, large audience in this, this kind of wellness space that did a Instagram reel about covering his WI fi right away with tinfoil. And he was using an EMF reader to demonstrate that it reduced the strength of the field.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

And there's a couple things that are flawed with that. Number one, the EMF reader is measuring. Measuring power. Power is not the problem, as we've established. It's the complexity of the field and the noise that's introduced from all the interference of multiple fields overlaying over each other. And so when you introduce that blocking like that, what you did is you stressed every system in there now that's using that router to then work harder. So now you have, you have packets of information, data that's being exchanged between the sender and the receiver, and those packets are dropping. And these cell phones and your computers are built for error correction. So now they're increasing the amount of packets that are being. So you've increased the number of things that are happening now in your environment because you were trying to reduce it. So blocking is binary. You're either blocking or you're not. So if you're blocking, nothing's working. Nothing's getting signal. If you are blocking and stuff still getting signal, you've actually compounded the original problem that you're trying to solve. Again, this is the physics side of it, which is you. You become part of the field. So anything I introduce into that field becomes part of the field. Another thing that I see because I travel a lot is people put the blankets on their lap, they put their laptop on it, right? And okay, I'm good because I'm covering my, you know, my lap.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

Can't get it, can't get to me. Yeah, doesn't work that way. These fields are all around us. They're three dimensional. It's not. Again, it's not directional.

[Gary Brecka]

It's.

[Josh Bruni]

It's three dimensional.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And so because I'm covering my lap doesn't mean that the rest of my body's not conducting. And by the way, you just now reflected back and amplified and created additional waves of interference that have occurred. So you've created complexity, you've introduced complexity into the field. So unfortunately, blocking is really not a good solution. I see that people with completely. Unless you can. You're talking to Faraday cage stuff, right. You completely capture it and harness it. And so the cell phone case is like, oh, it's closed. And then all the, the, the outsides. What you did is you've actually concentrated it in a way. And so I just think people need to be more honest with those products and do. And I think consumers need to be way more educated on the physics of it. Because it isn't simple. This isn't like. It's like as it's either blocking or you're not.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

So there's no in between.

[Gary Brecka]

Your is. Mitigation is. That's what we're talking about.

[Josh Bruni]

You're not even mitigating. You're actually amplifying the problem because you've increased. Again, think of like a backboard. If I, if I don't have the backboard and I throw a ball, it goes right through. If I throw a backboard and I throw the ball and I'll bounce back. Right?

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

So now I've created two paths and so I've increased. And then the likelihood. Again, this is constant. Right. It's not like it's. It's just happening one time. Now I've got doubled my paths essentially for simplicity, and now they're actually interfering with each other. So now you've introduced more noise and complexity into the environment that you were trying. You're thinking that you're mitigating.

[Gary Brecka]

Wow.

[Josh Bruni]

And so, yeah, I just. Again, I think when you put a hat on, right. An EMF protection hat or a beanie or underwear. Well, yes, if, if you're shooting a laser, you know, at your head, that's fine, but that's not how it works. It's three dimensional. So now my face is conducting and now I've trapped it in my brain, now it's reflecting back. And so it Just doesn't work that way. And so my mean, like, I can't just block regionally.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

It's an all or none principle. It's. This is why EMF is actually a more complex and serious topic to discuss and get right. Because there's so much misinformation. And there, by the way, there's a lot of bad products out there and there's a lot of bad players and, and I'm mindful of that. Right. I'm always welcoming of other people that are sharing the message, but there's got to be some integrity in that. And I think that's what we wanted to do today.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so then what is the mechanism by which you can reduce the. You can't really reduce your exposure. So. Yeah, it's not something you can hide from. Yeah, right. You know, I put this in the, you know, EMF mitigation in the, in the realm of passive biohacking. Like the active biohacking is again, a red light, again, a hyperbaric, again a cold punch, getting a sauna. But passive is when you, things like you install a water filter, it's not adding any time to your day, but now you're actually just drinking clean water or you install air filtration and now your air is just cleaner. So your environment's cleaner. I look at EMF mitigation and technology like Aries as, as, as one of those passive biohacks because you really can't control this environment. I mean, it's not practical to fully block. Like you said, you build a Faraday cage around your bed. But so what, what exactly is it doing? Diffusing. Okay, is it. So what benefit do you get from using something that is mitigating the effects of this emf?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. And to be clear, I'm not entirely sure of anything else that exists. And that's, you know, to me, I think that we are a category creator and we talk a lot about environmental clarity. And I think that's the space that we're trying to fill of. Okay, how do we create a solution that we're not going to fight technology? That's not the point. Like, look, I've been technology my whole life, like built my whole career on the Internet. And so to me, that, that's not, it's not sustainable either. Like, you know, I trap, like you get an airplane. It's like the absolute worst EMF environment you can be in. And it's just not, it's not realistic. So Aries approach it, I think going back It's a. It started as a Foundation over 30 years ago, and the idea was to. How do we control or manipulate the electromagnetic fields around us and within the body to promote healing? It wasn't in a way to like, modulate the environment around us to make it less disruptive. That. Because that was 30 years ago.

[Gary Brecka]

Device to shield your protective EMFs?

[Josh Bruni]

No. As a matter of fact, the silicon resonator that we're using today is. Was a breakthrough for us because previously we were using like, geometry and shapes a lot like how. What we refer to as metamaterials a lot like how if you go back and do some research on the original, like space shuttles and especially out of Russia back In like the 50s and the 60s, you would use shapes to essentially diffract and break apart. Like this. Like your acoustic design here.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, yeah. This is a perfect example.

[Josh Bruni]

It's a perfect example.

[Gary Brecka]

These are just wooden cubes.

[Josh Bruni]

Yep.

[Gary Brecka]

But they're cut at different angles and set at different depths to. To deflect the sound.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. To. To break it into smaller pieces. Not 100%.

[Gary Brecka]

They're not blocking it. They're basically taking our voice and then breaking it up so it doesn't echo.

[Josh Bruni]

Same concept. And so the original, the original, like.

[Gary Brecka]

Research put it on the wall because you knew.

[Josh Bruni]

No, the original research was. It was. Was similar of, like, creating geometry that would basically reshape the. The field. And so, like, you know, graphite and different things were used, different materials were used, and then over time. And these were big structures, by the way, because when you talk about, you know, electromagnetic fields and you're talking, let's say, am, FM rate, these are giant. These are like, if we could see them, they're giant waves. Now when we talk about cell phone, like 5G, we're talking millimeters. These are smaller millimeter wave stuff. So very different. But. But again, think about the 90s. We're still talking like.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, but there's still all of these. Like you said, this is. This is a complex field. I mean, there's still AM and fm and they're still.

[Josh Bruni]

They're all laying on top of each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're exactly right.

[Gary Brecka]

And they're all sort of colliding and. Yeah, and you know. Yeah, if you could, you know, put smoke in the air and like, see the laser kind of thing, you know, it look extremely complex. It wouldn't look like beams 100 cutting through the air.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, yeah. And. And we're working on a map on our website that you can go to and put in your address and look at all the different cell phone towers, communication towers, power lines. And then right now we, we have it set up so you can just go see what's around you see what your environment, what we're working on is like what would the overlapping visual look like so that you could actually see what a complex structure would look like through some computer modeling and things like that.

[Gary Brecka]

That's kind of cool.

[Josh Bruni]

So it'd be really cool to see like, like the 49ers Stadium. Right. When you think of that substation, it's going to be lit up red because it's just, there's so much complexity to that field.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

So getting back to kind of the Aries how it works. If you start there, from what I just described of like using geometry like this to then structure and kind of reprogram you know, a field essentially through geometry that was actually taken from the work from the space shuttles. And I, and I referenced Russia and US because they, if you go back and you look at some of the original papers, they're swapping information quite a bit back especially when they're like peer reviewed research. They're citing Russia, Russia citing the US because it was like this ping pong match of like of development of physics and things like that. So super interesting. So but they, they had a problem in space where the EMF in space is different and they needed, it was affecting the communications. So they, they use geometry to diffract and reshape the field to so it was not disruptive. So that was the premise for the original kind of Aries concept was a little bit of what was going on there combined with Tesla's work. So Nikola Tesla that we're talking about which was trying to capture the earth's EMF to then create free energy for everybody. Yeah, really cool like work when you go back there wild it became uncontrollable meaning like you couldn't control where it was going. But he was, you know, he's getting there. So jump forward with the, the testing we did with the silicon resonator chip which is what you see at the center, what you have there is essentially a fractal antenna. And so a fractal is, is a self similar shape repeating at different scales. And so that invention, which is relatively new by the way, and it's what's used in your cell phone, it's what's used in all telecommunications right now. And the idea is that I can basically have an extremely wide band of frequencies created in a very small space. And the way to think about that is without increasing the area of the space, I can increase the perimeter. So what that means is I can take a ring and I can make another ring, another ring, and another ring all the way down to the point of like infinity, right?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And so I always tell people, like, the best thing I can tell people is take a rope and keep cutting in half till you get to zero. You will actually never get to zero.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

Because you can't keep, theoretically, you can't get to zero. And so that's the idea of a fractals. You don't increase the area, but you increase the perimeter. So we have millions of etchings that are designed and specifically tuned and engineered to interact with the ambient field that's around you and essentially create a stable environment that, that is generated from that silicon. And so to talk about the material, because material is important too. The material silicon is hyper conductive. It's a dielectric meaning, like it interacts with, with the energy around it and then it creates a response. Right. And so what it does, it creates a field around it that is now stable.

[Gary Brecka]

And so it's, it's, it's, it's giving your body a constant rather than this dissociation.

[Josh Bruni]

It's predictable.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay.

[Josh Bruni]

It's predictable, it's stable, it's coherent, which is the environment that your body thrives in, which is like being outside to me. Right?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

And, and that's why, you know, you feel so good. Probably when you go to the ocean, you, you know, like for my wife and I, when we go to the mountains in Colorado, we're way separated from, you know, any major city or technology. You know, we're 10,500ft. And you really do feel different. And I don't want to say, well, that's all because of low emf. I don't know. I mean, it's, you know, forest bathing has been around for centuries, you know, in Eastern medicine. And, and we do that too, you know, walking in the forest. But I, I, I've got to think that a large part of it is because the first cabin we had was, it was solar, so no electricity. And, and, you know, when you're out there and you're outside and you're, you know, you're walking in the woods and you're, you're at altitude, you just, you really feel that. We sleep amazing.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Out there.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

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[Josh Bruni]

And there's never one factor, as you know, right?

[Gary Brecka]

No, it's.

[Josh Bruni]

And the one thing that I would say is, again, going back to the physics side is like the idea of. And you kind of touched on this a little bit before, around how there is an attraction. And so a metronome or a tuning fork will sync up waves, right? There's like a tuning fork will then tune the things around it. They'll all start to mirror and resonate. And EMF is no different. It's still wave theory. It still functions the same way. So when you talk about being outside, especially, you know, that far away, disconnected, it gives your body a reference point that it does tune to. And the, what people describe with having Aries on, especially the, the one that you wear on your neck, is that tuning effect. It feels, you feel grounded, you feel always grounded, you feel calmer. The, the anxiety, the, the different things that are built up, that's what we, it's the shift that we hear about. That's what people describe the most.

[Gary Brecka]

Because, just from wearing like.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, just because it's, it's close to your heart. Yeah, it's close to your heart, which generates a lot of power that can be measured, you know, 10ft away. And so, but also just in, like I said, around you. But that's, that's what's happening in nature when it comes to the EMF side is it gives your body a reference point to tune itself too and kind of like reconnect in a way. Obviously there's other factor that's air and light, all sorts of things, you know, factor.

[Gary Brecka]

We're out there.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, just like you're out there. I'm, I'm honest about that. But. But yeah, I think like I said, when you, you know, you work with a lot of people and you look at all of the things they got going on. The thing with EMF is it's stacking and so you're already, I always described as you're already starting in a hole or I think the better analogy is it's like in the, in the absence of emf, negative emf, let's say you're just walking on level leveled ground in our modern world without any proactive approach to mitigating it. You're. Everybody's walking at some sort of incline. Just from waking up to starting, you're, you're automatically making your body work harder than it needs to. For some people it's really steep, for other people it's not that steep. Immediately over time, everybody just starts to slowly lift though, because you can't, your body can't deal with the amount of stress that it's that we're introducing and then everything else that would stresses your body. And so over time there's a toxic load that then builds up and you eventually break and everyone has it. Right. Or you age faster or something wears out. And so I kind of describe it like that, like EMF is not the thing, but it's, it's starting you at a, at a steeper incline. Yeah. Super angle. And it's going to move depending on your environment. Yeah. And that's just something to think about.

[Gary Brecka]

And you've got like 40 studies that support this.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

What you're saying. Can I put those in the show notes? Is there.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, yeah, we can, we can either there's a, There's a couple of things that I would say that I think are really useful. We have a new one that's not out yet. That. So two, three years ago we had a piece of research that was peer reviewed, was presented at this physics conference around the computer modeling of understanding this. This broadband multi leveled field that's created coming off the resonator. And so we're able to create the silicon chip at the center of our products. Right. So how it's interacting with the EMF around us. Right. How it's interacting. So we had this computer model that I will show this, this mathematical approach to this. And again we won awards for this. It was peer reviewed, it was presented and published in research just recently. We then created the physical model to then prove the math. And so this isn't out yet because a lot of thing I get is the visual side. Well, I can't see it's working. How do I know it's working? Yeah, so what the team did was they used heat and infrared to be able to create a field. And so what you see on the surface of the resonator and then around it is the physical representation of the mathematical model that we'd already built.

[Gary Brecka]

Wow.

[Josh Bruni]

So I'm super excited about that, because that's the question everyone has. Like, how do I know it's work? The other thing that I would flip to is, like, look, at the end of the day, your body is what we're measuring. We really want to know if your biology is performing better. We really want to know if it's working better. And so we have become, like, a tour of doing live brain scans and HRV testing. We did a lot of work with the ufc, and we looked at, like, reaction time in the presence of emf, and then with using Aries.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And it's super easy. This is my point of, like, it's.

[Gary Brecka]

Improved, like, millisecond time.

[Josh Bruni]

Millisecond timing. Yeah. And that's. That's. That's not, like, reaction time with your hand. That's like, the information moving through your brain and then out to your hand. So we're able to track how quickly the information. The time that your eyes lock on, because we're looking at the brain to the information moving through and then actually taking action. So that's what. That's what we're looking at with that. The other thing that I would just say is, like, my point of starting the conversation, like, okay, what do we know for sure? What can we measure? Science understands that EMF disrupts eeg, and basically your neurology and how your brain functions, we know that it disrupts the heart and not for the better. Right. Specifically, the heart is easy to measure because it kind of locks you into sympathetic activation. And so rest relaxation is compromised because you're locked in. And we've seen this with athletes in an extreme level. Every athlete that we work with, which we already know, they have a hard time moving between states. And what we talked about walking in here was rest recovery, how much and how fast they can get back down. Right, right. The numbers on the HRV are off the charts in the presence of emf. It's incredible. And so when they use our product, we see this improvement over baseline. It's not because we're affecting the body. What we've done is we've got out of the way, so the body can actually just do its job better.

[Gary Brecka]

So you're getting the EMFs out of the way. So this sort of blocks that are right, right behind me is a really good way, I think, for people to process and understand this because, you know, we wouldn't argue that sound waves exist because we, we're hearing them right now. You know, we argue that EMF waves don't exist or don't cause harm because, because we can't see them, touch them, feel them, there's no way for us to, you know, take a, take a measurement. And yet, you know, this really works. You know, when we're having podcasts, I mean, this is what's deflecting our voice and not causing it to come back into the microphone and not bounce off of this hard, hard wall. So it really makes, it's starting to crystallize to me. I mean, I mean, I've, I've understood emfs at a relatively surface level for, for the last few years. I'm sold on their impact on human physiology, for sure. And I wasn't sold on whether or not technology could mitigate that, you know, and now I'm starting to understand how by creating uniformity in this field, the body has harmony. In other words, it has a consistent variable to deal with rather than this just widely changing constant. Yeah, you know, very spasmatic, you know, environment, you know, which it's kind, it's having to shift its adaptation less frequently, if that makes sense. Is that a good way?

[Josh Bruni]

Totally makes sense in a really simple way is let's say you're sitting at your desk, you're doing work, you're just hyper concentrated, you're pumping out good work. And then someone comes from out over here on your left or your right and interrupts you and not only interrupting you, but they're speaking a different language. Yeah. And now you're like, okay, what am I, what are they saying? What I got to do with that information. So the task that you were doing is now disrupted.

[Gary Brecka]

And how, just to get specific on a few things, how bad is 5G for us? Right.

[Josh Bruni]

I, I think again, to have a real intellectually honest conversation if it was. And I think this is where the research gets it wrong. And I think this is one of the reasons why there's a lot of challenges in showcasing the negative effects of EMF is they're typically using one device and in the presence of one device. And this is why people going to go back to like, not looking at.

[Gary Brecka]

The smog, they're not looking at the.

[Josh Bruni]

Complex because like I said, if it was just one outlet producing 50 hertz of, you know, a field that's probably not going to really do much to you. It's not going to make you uncomfortable. Like you're not really. Your body's just like, okay, whatever. I'm dealing with that, right? But you have to go next to a substation or you go into an airplane where everyone has a 5G phone and everyone has a TV in their head, you know, in their headrest now. And, and there's WI fi in there. You have all these complex aviation electronics up front.

[Gary Brecka]

Right? You're killing me.

[Josh Bruni]

You get my point now? Now you have all of these complex overly and you have structures in there. So now you have in, you're in a tube and now you have this reflection and deflection happening all around you. So you've, you've infinitely, exponentially increased the complexity of the field. So how, how cellular biology is dealing with is what you're dealing with. It's a stress that it's constantly trying to figure out, what do you want me to do with this?

[Gary Brecka]

This?

[Josh Bruni]

You've given me information, I can't translate it, what am I supposed to do? Because your body's working on interpreting electromagnetic signals and now you're giving this man made technogenic frequency to it and saying, interpret this. It can't interpret it, so it doesn't know what to do with it. So it just consistently like gets disrupted. Disrupted? Disrupted. Disrupted signaling from blood to pee, the mitochondria, the gut, the brain, the heart, like everything is disrupted. So like I said, I think that, am I saying this is going to have extreme outcomes? No. But when you look at every one of those things stacked together, all those systems over time, over long periods of time, that's a problem. More importantly, young babies developing, our adults are more resilient and we can deal with some of this stress because we've developed. What's happening with young people though is actually shaping their response. It's programming the response. And that's a completely different mindset because they're not developed yet. Their skulls are thinner, softer, more permeable. Every, their whole body is developing and it's being programmed by their environment. Whether that's, you know, me as a parent, I always mess with my kids and be like everything that you think right now most likely came from myself or your mom. So not only we program them from like their social circles and the food that we're giving them and their, their, their chemical environment that's around them, but also their electromagnetic environment as well. And their bodies are actually, because we are electrical beings are being programmed by that and being shaped by that so, so if I was to say, hey, on a scale of like one to really pay attention, I think families with young children, people trying to conceive that are. Or pregnant, because that pregnant woman is one system. And so what she's exposing herself to the baby's being exposed to and is also being shaped by.

[Gary Brecka]

Sure.

[Josh Bruni]

So all those things combined are just something. Like I said, your body can deal with it. Your body's resilient. It's not immune to it though. Any of the big difference.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. So. So then the, the question here is not. I mean the, the issue is not just to create fear and alarm and this is going to make you sick and you're going to die there. There are people that are significantly more sensitive and I'd like to unpack that. Like why are they more sensitive? But common ways without just turning this into a commercial for your product. But you would say that the cell phone. Mitigating the cell phone. Is that where you would start? That's like the. That's.

[Josh Bruni]

That's a good question. That's a good question. I always like when you give free advice. So I think starting with some free advice, that would be great. Yeah, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Is because I don't want people to think that the intention was for us to go.

[Josh Bruni]

No.

[Gary Brecka]

For you to sell Aries products. No, I want to draw attention to EMFs. I want, I want to. I want the data to be out there so people can make an informed decision and just really understand what they are and what are some of the possible detrimental outcomes.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. Number one you mentioned is 5G bad. And I want to reframe that because that is talking about power again and not the complex field. So I want to make sure that I just tighten that up for clarification. It isn't about 5G, it's about the complexity of that. And 5G does require more towers and them to be closer. So introduces complexity because of that. Of the nature of which how 5G works. Not because 5G has the signal. Yes, it's more powerful. Different conversation. But the complexity of 5G has increased. The number of towers has increased because of 5G. So that's kind of number one.

[Gary Brecka]

By the way, there's a website you can go to called antennasearch.com and you can go to antennasearch.com it's free. Just put in your zip code and it will tell you how many 5G towers are.

[Josh Bruni]

So we've imported that data as well and we've brought in the power line data as well. Because the power Line data wasn't in there. The high power, specifically the high power stuff.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And so because I wanted to create that, I want to show the complexity and so bringing in all these different sources and, and we're doing, we're trying to get it to be global, but not as much global information as we have in the US but, but it's a great place to start. So going back to what you can do, number one, distance is always the most important thing. And so if I'm installing a Tesla charger at my house, you want to make sure that's in a place that's not going to be near the places where you spend the most time.

[Gary Brecka]

Like your bedroom's not on the other side of that.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. You don't want to, you don't want to. Especially your child. Right. You don't want that on the child. Smart meters, like, which is a big one, a lot of us were forced to do that. Or you could opt out. The ones, the panel, the panel on your, your house where the, the. You remember back in the day when the guy would come around the scooter and check your, your meter and. Yeah, yeah. The thing, the analog thing now it's electric and it's LTE or something. It's just cost, it's constantly sending signals. Constantly. And so there's a handful of products that people usually find their way to us from. The smart meter is one. The smartwatch. What is the next one? The smart meters? The house. The utility meter. Yeah. Because of that. I don't, I don't fully understand the physics behind that, but the number of people that have had negative experiences, health experiences because of the smart utility meters is kind of mind boggling. Just that we've seen. Right. Smart watch would be the next one. Cell phone is the obvious one for sure. And then I would say flying, flying out. Sleep. Sleep is the other one.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And, and so that, that's where people find themselves. And so to address those in particular, like I said, is, is proximity to the source or to the receiver. A lot of times we think of like the, the, like the router in my example before of like covering with tinfoil, it isn't the source, it's actually the receiver that now has to work harder because that's why when you're, let's say you're in a city with tall buildings, your phone gets hot. It's because it's working overtime. It's sending more packets, trying to translate, decode and translate the packets, trying to do something with it. And it's it's possible to have good signal, but too much noise in the. In the electromagnetic field and not be able to get the data. So then the data has to work harder even though there's good signal. And so that happens a lot in cities. Right. You see, I've got three or four bars or whatever, but it's not working. It. You're frustrated. Yeah, that's why.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

Because you've created a complex field because of the buildings.

[Gary Brecka]

So would you say, so what if I have one of these smart meters? Or I'm in. I'm. I'm flying on an airplane. What. What. What is the best way to mitigate it? Not the Aries tech for the back of your phone, is there?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Is it a device? Is it a necklace?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. When it comes to Aries tech, look, I think as a default, and I would say 99 of anyone that's. That's bought products from us or worked with us, starts with the one on the phone because it's the most obvious. Right. And it's the one that we think about the most. I think where we see the most impact would be, like, where people report really positive health outcomes would be the flex, which is the one that you wear around the flex or the go. They're different sizes, same mechanism, different sizes. Kids like the smaller one a little bit better. Sometimes women do. Um, and then the. What we call the zone or the zone max, those are larger ones. And again, getting the physics of it, there's a resonant effect. So, meaning because there's multiple resonator chips on these, so they're creating multiple fields, they actually amplify each other. And it's not linear, meaning, like 1 plus 1 doesn't equal 2. It's like 1 plus 1 equals, you know, X to the 10 power. It's significant. And so again, going back to the computer modeling and things that we've. We've now demonstrated, that was a really.

[Gary Brecka]

And is this. Is this like they're small?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, they're small.

[Gary Brecka]

And so like, like the size of.

[Josh Bruni]

Like a. I would say like a. A credit card or smaller. And then, then the larger ones, maybe the size of your phone, and basically the difference between all of them is the, the proximity to the source or to you, that they need to be. So the bigger they are, the further away they can be because they're. They'd have more surface area and they. They can't. And they have more resonators, so they can create a larger stable area.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay.

[Josh Bruni]

That's really the big difference. And, and so like when we go into like the Minnesota Timberwolves arena and we create the first ever EMF friendly arena, we use the zone Max. Wow. And, and just put like thousands. When you walk through the concourse, you see a bunch of millimeter wave antennas throughout the concourse. And so it was pretty easy. Like okay, let's, let's hit the, the, the obvious spots. But we, we do go in there. We're thoughtful and we're kind of in the first phase that roll out. Another really cool thing that I haven't even talked about yet anywhere is we're working with a major airline to install areas within all of their North American direct flights to their, to their destination. And I can't talk about it too much yet, but that was. And that's. Where would these be placed in this particular one because it's a long flight would be throughout the cabin. So like individual ones at. In each seat area, larger ones towards.

[Gary Brecka]

The, the like the size of them.

[Josh Bruni]

They're thin. They're like. Yeah, they're really, they're super thin. Yeah, they're like a. Because you're talking like. And you would just a circuit board.

[Gary Brecka]

You think of a circuit board, insert it in the fabric of the seat so somebody couldn't see it. Right?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Wow, that's cool that they're actually thinking about that.

[Josh Bruni]

And then the, their goal is to make the, the happiest, healthiest, you know, airline and experience. And they want it to start before you get.

[Gary Brecka]

I want to.

[Josh Bruni]

Oh, I'll definitely let you know because you'll dig this and you'll dig the destination Hammer you.

[Gary Brecka]

As soon as the podcast is overdue, I'll get it out of them.

[Josh Bruni]

Dude, I'm super excited about it.

[Gary Brecka]

Show notes.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

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[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

You know, other than I, you know, I do wear the, the Aries.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

But so you would say if you're flying a lot, would you get one of those big ones and just put it in your bag?

[Josh Bruni]

I. I wear the one obviously I usually have a lot with me, but if I was to recommend one I would. I would definitely wear the one around around because it. You and your heart and your brain and those are just areas that are the kind of the control centers for. For the body. Right. So I would start there. The other thing I would do kind of go back to the free stuff grounding. If talk about flying. If you land in ground almost immediately, it. It's amazing the benefits that that has. And again I'm. I'm. I typically don't like to go into the. The waters of like totally agree with you of like not proven, not factual, whatever. But anyone that's done that knows it.

[Gary Brecka]

I feel totally agree with that. And that is absolutely free. And I do it as soon as.

[Josh Bruni]

Much as you can. Yeah as soon as you get off the plane, go hug a tree. Yeah whatever you can go do. Like get outside.

[Gary Brecka]

I'll look weird like at the airport. Yeah. Like take my shoes off and try to get on the grass for.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. Just for a minute.

[Gary Brecka]

Just for a few minutes.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, just for a few minutes. It's amazing. Proper hydration with electrolytes is a really important one. And again this is not my, my main field but I do know magnesium definitely helps in supports the calcium ion channels in in relationship to do the negative EM. This they're trying to work with. And so different things like that that are really helpful. I think. I think hydration is. Is really again foundation to begin with. You know, the hydrogen water is really interesting and I tried to you know do some more preparation for that, but I felt just totally unqualified. But the. What I was uncovering was a lot with the blood and like you were talking about the clut. Like there's a lot of really good information and how that would then support again an overall emf strategy. Like how do you, how do you mitigate the negative effects if you know, you don't have, you know, the Aries products or you're like these are all the different tools and taxes that you can do. And I think the hydrogen water is a really interesting one. There's not a lot of research on that yet, especially as in relation to ems. But you're able to then draw. Okay, if I know that this negative thing is happening, how then do I combat that? With a positive support system. Right. And I think that's really where I lay.

[Gary Brecka]

Accident pathway.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

So now talk about a little bit about like, like the people that are hyper sensitive to. So I have clients, for example that had to sell their Tesla because yeah, the, the, the, the charger in the garage. They, it's actually a very famous client swive. She was sleeping a story above and in the back of the house and could tell when the Tesla was plugged in was when it was being charged. And I want to get to, to just electric vehicles in, in general because I think, I think I, I see people in both camps and I don't really know which camp I fall in that. You know, you're sitting on just this big EMF bomb. I think it's safe to say that when they're charging, you probably shouldn't be in the car. But when these electric vehicles are in motion and you're sitting on top of these giant battery packs, I mean is, is that a serious EMF concern?

[Josh Bruni]

I don't think so. And we, we kind of chat about this before you say that. Yeah, I think when it comes to the evs, you're. They're shielded just by design. So a lot of. Where the most heavily shielded. Yeah where the EMFs are concentrated is, is heavily shielded. What I would say is, and no one's gonna like this, but any modern vehicle that has the, the modern technologies and the large screens, all of them are connected to wireless right now. Like whether you opt in or opt out, they're still connected. And why they have WI fi. The, those systems, if we go to. Let's just talk at the US Regulations, they're independently regulated as a complete system of your dashboard. They're not regulated at all. So like when again, when you think about the layering of complex fields, virtually every vehicle is terrible because of the dash. So with EVs. Yeah, the modern dash, where I think the EVs have some of the benefit is they're better designed, they're better contained, they're better designed because, because they're not the, all the different varying types of systems that are in a modern, let's say gas powered vehicle. There's a lot of different systems in there and none of them are connected, none of them are alike. But with the evs, they're pretty much designed from the ground up in a contained system. So there are some benefits because that, but to be honest, like if you were to do, to look at a spectrum analyzer of a dash or even take an EMF reader, you're going to see some extreme numbers come out of that. But I would say again, I kind of go back to. More importantly, don't get misdirected or misguided by the power of emf. It is the complexity of the field that's created. And when you look at modern vehicles, there are so many different systems that are interacting. And by the way, if anyone that's ever pulled the dash apart, the shielding on these wires or any like, it's terrible.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

Like it's, it's just not good. And so they're all just inherently not great. And so I typically recommend the, like an Aries device up in the front of that, that dash for sure. And that's one of those areas I'm like, I don't really have good advice other than like you got to do something about it. Right.

[Gary Brecka]

So put one of these cards in like the cup holder or something like that.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, I like in the, in the visor, wherever it's convenient, depending on the model of car that you have. But that's a good question. It comes up a lot like the EV is a question because it just again, intuitively it, it's like, huh. You know, like, yeah, maybe there is like it just intuitively but they overlook the other vehicles, which I wouldn't overlook the other vehicles.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, yeah, man. I was telling you my, I bought my wife one of the early model Teslas that came out and we, I got like a, a fingernail sized hole in the battery housing and they totaled the whole car. I mean, I'm sure Tesla's figured it out since then because you know, we compromised that.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

That battery housing. I'm sure it wasn't because the EMFs were leaking out, but you know, so they're, they're, they're very well contained and when that, it's permeated, it's, you know.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

It's a disaster.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

But I, I want to talk to you about the people that are more sensitive to ems. I mean, do you find what is it or do, you know, that makes people more or less sensitive to ems because there are people that have, you know, severe trouble with, you know, electromagnetic frequencies.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, it's a really good question. And I think again, in our earlier conversation, we were sitting at the table, I said, we have this as Aries, as a brand, we have an interesting customer base. We have extremely polar opposite groups of people. We have elite athletes, elite performers in virtually every category you think of, whether that's musicians, actors, actresses, football players, a lot of football players, obviously the UFC in the NBA. But virtually every top athlete in every sport is a customer.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And then on the other side, you have extremely ill people and chronic ill, like chronic. Chronic disease, chronic, like all sorts of chronic things that you. That you see. And, and I find that it's really interesting because they're. They're small slices of the population, but at extreme edges. And, and the one thing I will say they have in common is each one of these groups of people are hypersensitive to their environment. They understand when something is off and when they're. They're. They're operating at a high level. They understand that. And they. And they're trying to always stay at that high level. When you're sick, that means you're just trying to increase your baseline and you're trying to state that baseline, and you're trying to move up a little bit more as elite performer. You're trying not to drop and you're getting incremental. You're talking like, you know, milliseconds.

[Gary Brecka]

Ufc.

[Josh Bruni]

It's milliseconds. And so when it comes to the. The people that are hypersensitive, ehs, and I think there's a. They have a new acronym that they're. That they're using now for that. That particular group, I typically find there's another source or another thing that they're dealing with. I see Lyme disease a lot. People that have Lyme disease typically are also find themselves to be sensitive. And I, I don't.

[Gary Brecka]

I could see.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, yeah. And we have a great story, gentleman named Mike Bender, who wrote a really good article in Men's Health. We should put a link in the show notes because it's one of my favorite articles.

[Gary Brecka]

I'll link it in the show.

[Josh Bruni]

It's called Quiet. The Quiet House. And he's a screenwriter for Comedy Central. He lived in la. His wife was, you know, on mtv. So they're in the Hollywood world. Right. And he's a New York Times bestseller. And he had Lyme disease as A. As a young kid and basically has been on this journey to create a world that he can. An environment that he can actually function in because of how sensitive he became. And so he shares this crazy story in. In this Men's Health article. And so I wrote a small blog post about it. And then so he emailed us, and he was like. And I'm thinking, I'm in trouble because I. But I was so happy with this article. I loved how he approached this complex topic. And it wasn't just emf. It was all sorts of things. It was noise. It was. It was just. He was. His nervous system was just hyperactive. Yeah. Hypersensitive. And. And it was just had all these really negative consequences. So. So he messages me, and I'm like, oh, no, I didn't get permission to, you know, summarize his article. Like, maybe he's mad at me. He's like, no, I want to talk to you guys. And he's like, I. For a decade, I haven't been able to leave my house. And he's like, really? Your product? I built a van and put your product in it. And I'm now, for the first time, to take my kids skiing. No crazy story. And so we've. We've, you know, gotten to know each other. He lives in Santa Barbara. He did what you did. He built a house. And. And not only he built the house, he had to. He had to pay attention to the electromagnetic fields of the earth because there's a lot of inconsistency in the earth's field as well. So he can walk out there and tell you, like, where things are buried, like, power line. Like, he's super sensitive. Yeah. So he went and mapped it all and then had had the guys that come and, like, actually check, and he had already had flags in all the spots. That's how sensitive he is. So he's got a great story. And so. So we have some videos with him. Because I just. I can't. I can't stress enough, like, how cool he is and a good story, and he's just super credible. But his experience is great to kind of share about that. And I just. I don't know the biological, like, reasons why, but I tend to find that there's something else layered on. And that's kind of what I think I said early in this conversation, is EMF makes everything worse.

[Gary Brecka]

Yes.

[Josh Bruni]

Right. And so if you already have something, it's going to exacerbate that issue already. Or if you didn't have something, you might Develop something because your system's being eroded over time because of the signaling challenge that you have. And so I think that's what I see. If I was to just say, hey, again, I'm not saying for sure anything, but the, what I see in the data in our hundreds of thousands of, I think a million now devices that we have out there and all the feedback we have, that's what I see is like the commonality.

[Gary Brecka]

So, so, you know, for, let's say aside from, you know, an Aries device or one of your products, what are some things people can do to mitigate those in their house? We talked about what they do on flights like hardwire Internet. Should they turn WI FI routers off at night?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's a great one. I'm gonna say one thing that's gonna blow your mind. It's gonna be completely counterintuitive.

[Gary Brecka]

Okay.

[Josh Bruni]

If you want to have WI FI in your house, you should do everything to make sure that that WI FI signal is as clear and clean as possible. So the better the signal, the less emf, because the less complex the field is. Ah, right.

[Gary Brecka]

That makes sense. So it's, it's actually if you have strong signal in one area, weak signal in another area, no signal in a different area, and you, you're actually making the field dirtier, for lack of great word.

[Josh Bruni]

Increasing noisier. It's noisy.

[Gary Brecka]

Noisier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So that I would sound counter intuitive.

[Josh Bruni]

It does sound. It, yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds counterintuitive. But it, that's one of the best pieces of advice I have for that. The other thing I would say is.

[Gary Brecka]

Like, so not disconnecting it and I'm reconnecting it.

[Josh Bruni]

No, like I said, if you insist on having the WI fi, then, then that's great. And I, I think fine, have the WI fi.

[Gary Brecka]

You gotta have WI fi.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, right. You gotta have WI fi.

[Gary Brecka]

I mean, unless you're hardwired moving around.

[Josh Bruni]

Which a lot of people do, you know, like, like I would say, especially people that are hypersensitive. Like they have to be very thoughtful about crafting and curating their environment around their sensitivities. And so I think that's just one thing I just wanted to mention. Like, it's so counterintuitive. Like people get all like angry at me sometimes. Like, no, it can't be.

[Gary Brecka]

It can't be.

[Josh Bruni]

Better signal, you know, that's not. Because it's not about power. Right? It's not about power. It's about clarity. And it's about clarity because your body.

[Gary Brecka]

Can deal with a constant.

[Josh Bruni]

That's my point.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, it doesn't, you know, it's. It's the change. It's the erratic, you know, behavior of the field.

[Josh Bruni]

We did another study because I, I've been kind of poking around this, this complexity issue, which I think, just think it's overlooked and misunderstood. If you go back and you look a lot of the literature, a lot of the studies are like one cell phone, one router. And I said, well, put two in there. Put three in there. Put them. Put them far apart and make them talk to each other. And we did this recent study. Again, it's not out yet. This one's. This one is going kind of a roundabout way because of the peer review process. It's in Singapore. A group out of Singapore right now is, Is doing this peer review on it. And we used different strains of rats because they have different genetic, kind of like, predispositions of. One has a tendency to be more anxiety and one has more excitability. And so what we were looking at was how does emf, if there's a genetic. Like, we know that this rat is.

[Gary Brecka]

Already epigenetic influence to it.

[Josh Bruni]

Yes. What then happens? Yeah. From a genetic standpoint, how does that then change the behavior? And by the way, the results are pretty crazy. Like, they're crazy in the fact that, like, depression and EMF is, is linked. We like. Like I said, I can't, again, can't confidently say that because it's no studies. But in our research and what I see, when we do our brain scans, like the eeg, you see those parts of the brain that regulate mood, anxiety, you see all that fire. You see it in the heart. Right. Like, you see, you see the heart change. And so we saw that in the mice, and so that was just really interesting. But it was magnified when we put in, like, we added more devices at different frequency levels. And so again, the complexity of field. Yes, the complexity of the field. They're signaling within the body is affected.

[Gary Brecka]

Not to ask the obvious question, but how do you measure depression in a mouse?

[Josh Bruni]

So. So they put them in.

[Gary Brecka]

So sad.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, exactly. They look at their facial expressions. No, they. They put them in these dark rooms or these, like, dark places. And they, the way that they interact when they're in, in these, in these stressful situations. And so there's a, there's a variety of these different tests. And, and based upon what I understand, again, I'm. This isn't what I do. But there's a protocol for this that is accepted and like people understand and that's how they know this strain is already like we know that strain access way and we know the strains excited. Like we know. We know that because of these. This protocol. So it was essentially an existing protocol that we were following. And again, I could even be getting it wrong. But as I was reading through it because it's coming to me in a different language and I'm trying to translate it and then I have a translator and it's usually a mess. Right. To get that out. But that's it. They're following a protocol that's been established around how do we measure that in mice? First, going back to my point though of what can I do in my environment? It's reducing the amount of technology. If I can. Do you need your refrigerator connected to WI fi? Do you need your washer and dryer? Do you need your robot vacuum? All. All the things there.

[Gary Brecka]

But you're increasing the complexity with all of this communication.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. And so I would be thoughtful about that. Those that can opt out of this smart power meter, I would opt out. There's just no reason for it. And I would be. Like I said I would really think about clarity of signal. I think the clarity of signal, like the, the signal to noise concept is the same when it comes to the biology. Like the better signal you can create for your biology, the better life that you're going to have. Right. Like that's just.

[Gary Brecka]

Totally agree with that. Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And so the same thing with your technology. The better technology, the better signal there. The, the better it's going to perform and the less chaos, less noise is going to be created. And together, when you do those things together, you. The biology likes that. The biology likes better cleaner signal. So reducing interference is always better.

[Gary Brecka]

Deal with it and deal with it in the uniformity of it.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

To do that. Do you find that women are more sensitive to EMFs than men and yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

You know, I, I think kind of a nod to some other people that have talked about this already that did a really good job. Like Andrew Huberman did a really good podcast on the reproductive system for men and women. And he also talked about breast tissue. And there were a couple things that I would say just kind of either added to that or. And kind of saying that. But I would definitely check his stuff out because he. He had his team go through and aggregate all the data and they came like conclusively the cell phone in your pocket. If you're A man is going to disrupt everything. Right. It's going to affect sperm mobility, it's going to affect testosterone production. Yeah. Like just. Yeah, put it on airplane mode if it's gonna be in your pocket. And so I thought that was, I was really excited that he, that he did that. And then the other thing he talked about, and I heard this from, from Dr. Drew as well, if everyone remembers Dr. Drew.

[Gary Brecka]

I love Dr. Drew. Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. Good dude. Good dude. Yeah. I was on his show a while back, and he kind of came prepared for this conversation and he talked about cells that reproduce frequently typically have a higher rate of, of air in the presence of emf, if you will. Like, like.

[Gary Brecka]

Oh, higher rate of error.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. Error, yeah. And so when they're because of EMF in impacting the signaling, essentially.

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

And so breast tissue is one of those cells that reproduces a higher rate as, as are a lot of the reproductive, you know, areas. So, and, and so you see a lot of the tissues and things like that. Now, there are some other factors that would be on there, like heat, heat, heat. Not from emf, to be clear. Like, I don't want to talk about, you know, the thermal effects of emf, because that's, that's the part that, that everyone wants to point to say no, the, the government says that's fine. I'm just talking about the cell phone getting hot next to your breast or your, your, your pocket because of. It's trying to get, it's trying to get a signal. Right. Or the fact that it's just hot because it's hot. Changes in temperature like that, even subtle, will create problems, biological problems. And that's, that's often covered in literature too. And so there's different factors there, but I think women are more intuitive about it. And I also think that their system is more complex. The hormone system, the regulations and, and the communications, they're just more complex in a way. And I think that they're more sensitive to the disruption. So I do think that they are. I don't know if they absolutely are. From biological perspective, I think from a felt experience perspective, I think that they are.

[Gary Brecka]

So now these devices that you have, they're, they're. Because if I put it in my car and I put it in a cup holder and I've got all this stuff going on my dash, the screen is in front of me, and my body is here and this is down here in my cup holder. Is it changing the cloud? Is it. Actually, it's, it's redirecting these Frequencies softening them for lack of better words or creating some kind of consistency in this cloud. So basically tuning the environment.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Is that. Yeah, kind of what's, what's happening?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, it's a. Tuning the field because.

[Gary Brecka]

Again intuitively, intuitively I would think I wanted to be between me and the source. But again that's going back to this being sort of a, an arrow or a laser beam and it's actually the.

[Josh Bruni]

Complexity three dimensional field. It's three dimensional even, even that's how.

[Gary Brecka]

It can work if it's not direct line 100.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. And actually the, there's a resonant effect and a coupling effect and again this gets into more like wave theory and physics which, which I don't think we should touch on. But the idea that when waves couple together, when they're in phase, it does increase the area because you've added power to a specific way. So there is a lot of interference occurring but it's stabilized and it's calculated, it's tuned. So with the Aries interacting, it also creates a three dimensional hologram, if you will. And that's what you see in the infrared imaging by the way, is more of a three dimensional view. It's not, I say it as if it's really large in the imaging. It's, it's not really large because it fade. The, the infrareds fade so quickly. But, but you get it and you understand the exponential like mathematical equation of how that then spans out. But yeah, what you just said is right. Like people get in confused with like directional, like beaming and that's not how it works.

[Gary Brecka]

And how far from the, the actual device is it? Is it tuning? Is it 6ft? Is it 8ft? Is it?

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, that's another common question. The, the differences between the devices there, there are. We have some measurements on the website you can look at. The larger one is pretty effective. Like this is. This room's probably, I don't know, 15 by 15, maybe a little larger. That would be. One of them would be sufficient in.

[Gary Brecka]

And where would you put it if you just set it around this pocket.

[Josh Bruni]

I mean there's two, there's kind of two points of reference. Right. It's like the source EMF and then where we are, I prefer to have it where we are versus like the source. Because yes, I'm concerned about the source, but I'm really more concerned about the space that I occupy. Right. And if there's enough complexity in our environment, there's enough complexity to, to, to create the effect that we want within, within the resonator of our product. Right. With our technology. And so what I mean by that is if there's not enough energy or complexity within the field that we occupy, then it doesn't matter anyways. It's not going to affect us. Does that make sense? So if there's enough for it to create an effect with our, with our technology, then then we're, we're good because it's here. Right?

[Gary Brecka]

Right.

[Josh Bruni]

Does that make sense?

[Gary Brecka]

You also might not know of other sources. I mean you can't, I mean obviously you know where your WI fi router is and where your, you know, outlets are. But yeah, you know, you may not know what other sources are coming through your windows and walls and what other, you know, fields are being.

[Josh Bruni]

I think it's interesting like you bring up a good point. Like, like I think back not even that long ago I had like I could count on my hand the number of devices I had in my house. Right. And I had like a wired router forever. Right?

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

Because I like the higher speed.

[Gary Brecka]

Everything's got Bluetooth.

[Josh Bruni]

Everything, everything is connected.

[Gary Brecka]

I'm not kidding.

[Josh Bruni]

You have.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

The exponential curve of connected devices in our environment is that timeline is so condensed in such a exponential drive up of the number of devices in our environment. Our bodies have not evolved to adapt to that. That's just the truth. And so our body is adapted to natural human like resonances from the earth. And that's what our bodies like. That's what we're developed, that's, that's our biology.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And now we're quickly thrusted into this new technogenically charged world of complex frequencies. And that's why I think this conversation is moving so quickly right now. That's why that 49ers conversation is moving. I think that's why we have, we were going that conversation with the 49ers. The number of trainers that we talk to in, in professional sports and actually provide solutions to is. Would blow your mind. But what I found interesting when I kind of started to learn that world was there are people on staff, their job is to. And they get bonused on the number of minutes played like not injured across the team. Right. So their whole job is to like you were saying, to not. Yeah. Get injured. And I find that really interesting. And so the fact that these guys are like incentivized to find all the different ways to keep people on the field and healthy. Yeah, it's fascinating.

[Gary Brecka]

Well, I mean think about the cost. I mean especially again going back to a Non contact injuries. I mean, you know, you just like want to just pound your head because you go, you know, know you understand trauma. But yeah, you know, when, when it's like are they over trained, are they under recovered or, you know, are they dehydrated? You know, and it, those are, those are modifiable factors. Yeah. You know.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

And I would imagine now the conversation shifting to emf. It's going to be really interesting to see how this plays out with the 49ers. If there's anything publicly you can disclose, you know, along this journey, it'd be really interesting.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think it will definitely stay close on that because I do think it's an interesting conversation and I think it's worth people asking the questions. I think if I'm a player there, I'm definitely asking the questions.

[Gary Brecka]

Oh yeah. If I'm a player, I'm just getting it just in case.

[Josh Bruni]

And by the way, I think, I think the theory originated from the players. If, if I follow the article correctly and again, as I mentioned to you earlier, like, like there's a quite a few players on that team already that are customers and, and notable players. And so I'm not shocked. As a matter of fact, I was having a conversation with someone that I work with that helps me with a lot of our sports partnerships and I told him, like, remember when I first met you, it was about players in the 49ers. That was when our first sports conversations was the 49ers.

[Gary Brecka]

Wow.

[Josh Bruni]

So, yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes, but I think again, I'm more excited about the fact that, that you're seeing this conversation enter the, the cultural dialogue, which is what's exciting for me.

[Gary Brecka]

Well, I'm really excited about these two studies that you got on the way to being.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah. Published.

[Gary Brecka]

And I think anything that, you know, you can do to help the consumer understand, I think I've, I even got more clarity.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Out of this podcast. I really appreciate you coming on because I, I did think of these fields as being fired or, or moving out in a trajectory, in a wave like fashion. But you know, now that you've explained the complexity of all of these different fields, overlapping Wi Fi, 5G, 3G, you know, microwave, radio wave, infrared, you know, there, there are all of these different complex signals coming in at a finite level to our cellular biology. And you're right, you know, a lot of our cellular biology and, and the way we eliminate waste and detoxify and repair and regenerate is based on how we can move molecules across different. Yeah. Boundaries across different membranes. And virtually all of that has to do with, with electrical signaling.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

So it makes intuitive sense. And I, and I also like that you didn't come in here and, and draw these vast analogies to. This causes cancer.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

You know, and this prevents cancer because I don't think it's that simple. And these are not, you know, straight.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Straight lines. So. I'm, I'm delighted that you came on the ultimate human podcast, man. I, you know, I, I wind down and I hope this brought clarity to you guys too. I mean, I've, I've actually, you know, some, some podcasts I, I get on because I'm, I get guests on here because I'm interested and, and, and I really enjoy the conversations and other times I feel like I've really packed away some knowledge and that's, that's one of those.

[Josh Bruni]

I appreciate that, man. And, and I appreciate you sharing your platform. I'm really passionate about the mission and you know, that, that we're on and, and a lot of people ask me how I got involved and I, it's one of those weird things like, you know, in my background. I don't know, 25. Well, I've been saying 25 years now for, for probably 27 years. So probably I'm probably closer to 30 years.

[Gary Brecka]

I modify that.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, I'm probably 30 years now. But it's one of those things where like, I probably had no business running this company because I had been kind of deeply entrenched in other, other like businesses. But you're kind of a brand guy.

[Gary Brecka]

I mean.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah, more like, yeah, brand growth, building, you know, companies and stuff like that. And so I gotta give a lot of credit to my wife because I always just call her a hippie for lack of a better term. But I would say there's probably three people. My wife.

[Gary Brecka]

Not. Not. Doesn't have the negative.

[Josh Bruni]

Not anymore. Right.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah. Oh, hey, Barefoot grass fed meat.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

Pasture raised eggs. I love it.

[Josh Bruni]

I would say my wife Andrea. Well, people, if you're in inner circle, you call her Andy. I'm, I'm still fighting to get in that inner circle. So we'll call her Andrea. And I would say Tim Ferriss and Drew Green. Not, I don't know Tim Ferriss, but his book, the Four Hour Body, he has a section in there about emf. And because I didn't quite listen to my wife back in 1999 and 2000 when she was like, I don't know about all these. This new wireless phone that's now 2.4 GHz versus the 900 MHz that we used to have. Right. He's like, I don't know about that. I'm sensing that this technology might be bad for us. So she kind of turned me on early on and. But then his book came out. I can't remember what year that is, but spent some time now. 15, 20 years.

[Gary Brecka]

30. 30. 30.

[Josh Bruni]

Yeah.

[Gary Brecka]

It's great, right?

[Josh Bruni]

But he has a chapter in there around if you want to like, quadruple some crazy, absurd number, your testosterone. And the main takeaway was take the cell phone out of your pocket.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah.

[Josh Bruni]

And I thought it was really fat and really bold, by the way, at that time.

[Gary Brecka]

Oh.

[Josh Bruni]

Like, nobody was talking about that.

[Gary Brecka]

He was way out on that one.

[Josh Bruni]

And so now, because I'm like, look, I'm a. I'm a big fan of, of Tim's. His work. I've always connected with him because I'd like his approach. He's like. He's like, with you, it feels like when you're going through these things. So he's a great teacher in that respect. And then I'll say Drew Green. So Drew Green is the chairman of Aries. He's also the CEO of Indochino, which is a massive, you know, menswear company. And so he's the one that reached out to me and said, hey, you know, I like your background. Come look at this company. And I was like, okay. You know, like everyone does, right? Dismisses it, whatever, all the crazy negative things that you want to say about it. And. But it was like, ask all your questions. Here's all our research. What do you want to talk about?

[Gary Brecka]

That's awesome.

[Josh Bruni]

And I would say the thing that really I just connected with was the simplicity of the solution. I know it sounds complex, but you're talking about two or three different things combined. By the way, the two or three things combined, the, the shapes, the, the fractal resonator, the geometry. Aries didn't invent any of that. That's all existing technology and well understood physics. They just layered them together to create a specific outcome. So they've been chasing this outcome, this, like, arrangement for years. It wasn't until the silicon came out and we could etch it the way that we did that they could. They finally unlocked the solution. And so it's kind of cool. Yeah, it was really cool. And so when I understood that and I had, you know, access to the, to the team and the physics Guys and the biology people and watch them kind of fight with each other because they're. They think that they know that person's job. Like, super interesting because they have these very deep fields. I was just like, I can't get enough of this. And I, as a brand guy, I always love things that are slightly controversial. You have a polarizing thing. You typically know you're onto something. But I would also say just. I just felt like, man, if this, If, If I could communicate this to the world, the change in the, like, the empowerment that you give back to people that don't even know that they're being affected, and you give them this. This opportunity. Anyways, I just get really passionate about that. It was really exciting for them to do that. So I couldn't. I couldn't not do this job. I don't think that's right. But.

[Gary Brecka]

Yeah, well, you're doing a good job at it. So I, I wind down all my podcasts by asking my guests the same question, and there's no right or wrong answer to this question, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

[Josh Bruni]

Interesting. I think, man, I should have prepared for this. I should have scripted something.

[Gary Brecka]

The podcast, you know, the questions coming.

[Josh Bruni]

I know, dude.

[Gary Brecka]

I know every single guest.

[Josh Bruni]

I. I'll tell you, as a father and as a husband, I think being an ultimate human is actually preparing yourself mentally, physically, emotionally to do that job extremely well. And I think oftentimes we overlook some of those elements that I just said, like the. Sometimes it's not mental, sometimes not emotional, some not physical. And. And we get sloppy, we get lazy. And I take that job really seriously. And so to me, being an ultimate human is the ability to do that well so that my kids can then keep doing that well over time, and so that it really affects multiple people, multiple generations.

[Gary Brecka]

That's awesome, man. Well, thank you for coming on the Ultimate Human podcast.

[Josh Bruni]

Thanks, sir.

[Gary Brecka]

This was amazing. We're definitely going to have you back when you get those articles published. I'd love to have you send them over. I'll link them in the show notes. And until next time, guys, that's just science.