The Underworld Podcast

Episode: America’s Craziest Mob Boss (Sort of!) Vincent Gigante
Date: January 20, 2026
Hosts: Danny Gold & Sean Williams

Overview

This episode dives deep into the bizarre and fascinating world of Vincent "The Chin" Gigante—one of America's most powerful and eccentric mob bosses, famous for running the Genovese crime family and spending decades dodging prosecution by feigning insanity. Hosts Danny Gold and Sean Williams trace Gigante’s journey from Greenwich Village kid and failed boxer to mob legend whose rule was marked by secrecy, violence, and an unparalleled act of lunacy.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Rise of Vincent “Chin” Gigante

• Origins in the Luciano/Genovese Family

  • Gigante came up under Vito Genovese, serving as bodyguard and driver. His loyalty forged by Genovese helping his sick mother, which brought the whole family into the mob orbit.
    • "Genovese woos Gigante and his three hoodlum brothers into his faction by paying for their mom's surgery when they can't afford it." (01:44)
  • Early Greenwich Village vibe: close-knit, Italian-American, and crime-ridden; not the gentrified version of today.

• Attempt on Frank Costello’s Life

  • At just 29, Gigante is chosen to take out boss Frank Costello. He shoots him in the head, but Costello survives.
    • "Chin steps out of the shadows and points a .38 revolver at him, saying, 'This is for you, Frank,' before firing a shot that rips into Costello's head, spraying blood everywhere... [but] he doesn't fire another shot. He turns and he runs. Costello survives." (02:33)
  • Costello, rather than retaliating, retires. He even refuses to testify against Gigante, embodying the old Mafia code of silence.

• Gigante’s Mafia Credentials

  • Nicknamed “Chin” from his mother's Neapolitan accent for "Vincenzo".
  • Early arrests for small- to medium-time crimes: fencing, arson, theft, gambling.
    • "The charges result in small fines, so they're just dismissed entirely. Back then, it feels like you get away with a lot of crime." (08:14)
  • Successful pro boxing career: "21 wins in 25 fights" (08:54), ties to mob-managed clubs.

The “Insanity” Act: The Oddfather

• First Brush with the Law as ‘Crazy’

  • When threatened with bribery charges, Gigante begins visiting psychiatrists, builds a record establishing his mental incompetence.
    • "When Chin first learns he's being investigated for bribery, he starts going to shrinks, right? He hits up the nuthouse. So by the time he's indicted, his lawyers have a whole, like, record..." (16:35)
  • This act convinces judges and prosecutors again and again that he is unfit to stand trial.

• Gigante as the Urban Ghost

  • Becomes notorious for shuffling through Greenwich Village in a bathrobe, mumbling, sometimes urinating in public.
    • "Wandering the streets of Greenwich Village in his bathrobe, mumbling to himself incoherently, sometimes even whipping it out and peeing on the street. All in one of the most elaborate acts in criminal defense history." (03:37)
  • FBI genuinely baffled:
    • "Chin's strategy was more successful than he realized... None recognized how much power the strange man from Sullivan Street actually wielded..." (24:14)
  • Social club on Sullivan Street: signs say, “Loose lips sink ships,” “The enemy is listening,” “Tough guys don't squeal,” “Don’t talk. This place is bugged.” (25:23)

• Extreme Secrecy and Discipline

  • No one in the family allowed to say his name—had to gesture to one’s chin or make a “C” with fingers.
    • "Never, ever say his name in conversation, ever. If you want to refer to him, you either point at your chin or make the letter C." (26:37)
  • Slept during the day, started his work at 5pm to throw off FBI surveillance.

The Business Side: Mob Prosperity & Schemes

• Wide-Ranging Operations

  • By the 1970s and '80s, Gigante and the Genovese family control gambling, loan-sharking, unions, and major rackets in Manhattan, especially in construction and the docks.
    • "He inherits [his murdered boss’s] gambling operations, which back then is like a multimillion dollar operation... His territory extends all the way from the Battery... up to 14th Street..." (21:41)
    • "One of the biggest moneymakers for Chin personally is the docks... $2 million a year off the docks himself." (34:45)

• Savvy Mob Management

  • Used “front bosses” (like Fat Tony Salerno) to shield himself. Law enforcement believed Salerno was the boss for years.
  • Known for not pressuring his own capos for excessive money; “He ain't that interested in the money. He already had a ton of money. His biggest problem was where to hide it." – Sammy the Bull (36:10)

• HUD Window Scam: The Endgame

  • Genovese family, with other New York families, rigged $150M out of $191M in government contracts for public housing windows.
    • "The mastermind of the scheme... a Genovese associate, not even a made guy... Prosecutors say the mob won contracts of $150 million worth out of a total of $191 million worth of contracts." (54:30)

Rivalries, Hits, and Legacy

• Rivalry with John Gotti & the Gambinos

  • Chin and Gotti were opposites: Gotti was flashy, loved fame; Gigante was reclusive and secretive.
    • "Gigante was the anti-Gotti... Gotti brought law enforcement attention... promoted people he shouldn't have, and created internecine warfare. Gigante was exactly the opposite." (47:36)
  • Approved a hit on Gotti that ultimately killed only the underboss (bombing). Disliked using bombs—saw it as “too Italian,” too high-profile.

• Reputation for Ruthlessness and Prudence

  • Gained respect for being both feared and low-key. When rivals overstepped or broke mob rules, especially regarding hits, Gigante orchestrated brutal retaliation, solidifying his control behind the scenes.

• The Takedown

  • Finally indicted in 1990 on the HUD scam after decades eluding authorities. Four psychiatrists declare him unfit—but as more mobsters turn informant, the evidence piles up.
  • "Chin is finally convicted in 1997 and gets a 12 year sentence... continues to run the family behind bars, using his son... as a messenger." (64:54)
  • In 2002, to save his son from a long sentence, Gigante admits the insanity was a hoax—his 30-year Oscar-worthy performance finally collapsed.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Costello Hit:

  • "This is for you, Frank." – Vincent Gigante, before pulling the trigger (03:03)
  • "To forgive a guy who shot you in the head is pretty... shows how to turn the other cheek." – Danny (12:34)

• On Gigante’s Lunacy Act:

  • "He was unaware that his insanity charade had pulled the wool over the eyes of numerous FBI, state and city investigators..." – Selwyn Raab (24:14)
  • "He apologized for what happened, but he took no responsibility. He said nothing off color, no wise ass remarks... This was just one more indication that he was crazy like a fox." (43:59, quoting Larry McShane's book)

• On Notoriety:

  • "He becomes like a tabloid darling... with his bathrobe on the street in Greenwich Village on the cover of the Post." (61:00)

• On Mafia Management:

  • "Gigante was the anti Gotti... Gigante was exactly the opposite. No matter how hard we tried, there was no electronic surveillance. People in the family respected him. He resolved problems rather than fomenting them." – Prosecutor (47:36)

• On Family:

  • "He had two families. Old school wife in Jersey and then his guma on the Upper East Side. Kids with both." (28:03)
  • "Chin actually never wanted his kids to be in the mob... When Gotti... boasted about making his son a made man, Chin replied with, 'Geez, I'm sorry to hear that.'" (65:31)

• Closing Reflection:

  • "Looking at Chin having to do the fake crazy thing, not really living it up... how is this even enjoyable for Chin? Is it worth it?" (66:18)

Timestamps for Major Segments

• The Costello Assassination Attempt: 02:33–03:37
• Origins in Greenwich Village: 07:00–09:19
• Insanity Act Begins / Bribery Indictment: 16:35–17:19
• Rise through the Ranks, Managing Power: 21:41–26:37
• Bathrobe Legend, Anti-Surveillance Measures: 23:55–28:36
• Genovese as the Ivy League of the Mafia: 19:41–23:55
• Concrete Club, Government Construction Grift: 34:45–36:10, 54:30–57:12
• RICO & The Commission Trial: 45:58–47:36
• Rivalry with Gotti / Commission Politics: 47:36–53:14
• Final Indictments, Tabloid Fame, Collapse of The Ruse: 60:43–65:31

Tone, Banter & Pop Culture

• Frequent Sopranos references and tongue-in-cheek banter about mob pop culture.
• Comparisons between historical and modern times, especially the decline of old-school “honor” among thieves.
• Dark humor and self-aware jokes about therapy, modern podcasting, and Italian-American clichés.
• Side conversations about crocodile skulls (05:13), Mr. Bean vs. Blackadder, and fashion sponsorship as ongoing comic relief.

Summary

Vincent “The Chin” Gigante was not just a powerful mob boss—he was a master illusionist whose insanity performance left both investigators and the public scratching their heads. For decades, he ran the most cunning and secretive of New York’s Five Families from the shadows, dodging wiretaps, jail, and justice by playing up his oddities. The episode traces the clever gamesmanship, the ruthless pragmatism, and the decades-long commitment to the act that made Gigante both a tabloid curiosity and arguably the most successful Mafia boss of his era—until reality (and family loyalty) forced him to admit the truth in his final years.

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