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Sammy Wink
The Victor Davis Hansen Show. This is our Friday news roundup and we've got lots of news this week which we will get to in just a second. Victor is the Martin and Eli Anderson Senior Fellow in Military History and Classics at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College. You can find him at his website, victorhanson.com and it's called the Blade of Perseus. Come join us there. Well, we've got lots of news on the list. Israel is signing a ceasefire with Lebanon and we have tariffs and tariff threats against our neighbors by Donald Trump. So we'll talk about those things when we get back.
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Sammy Wink
Welcome back to the Victor Davis Hansen Show. So, Victor, I thought the most interesting news this week was that we might have a ceasefire in the Middle east between Israel and Hezbollah and, or I guess Lebanon. And I was wondering your thoughts on that ceasefire.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Well, short term, you can see why. The Israelis, they've had 100,000 people displaced out from the Lebanese Israeli border, so they wanted to get them back. They went into the forbidden zone. Everybody said that was the death place of the IDF in past invasions. But they cleaned out the Hezbollah cadres all along the border. They found huge weapons arsenals, munitions depots. There's some estimates that 75 to 85% of the supposed 150,000 rockets have either been destroyed or they've been expended already. So they had. And then they took out, of course, the walkie talkie and the pager cadre, and they've had the targeted assassination. So Hezbollah is in shambles. Lebanon is actually privately happy about it. So Israel's also looking at the Trump administration coming in. So Hezbollah from their point of view is, my God, we have been completely shattered. We need time to rebuild or do something. The people have turned on us. And Donald Trump is going to give Netanyahu all the weapons and free hand he wants. Each day it gets worse. And our patron that put us up to all this, Iran has no air defenses. Anytime they sneeze at Israel, they can take out anything they want. They sent 500 projectiles, drones, ballistic missiles, rockets at Israel and it didn't do anything. Israel sent about 15 or 20 and they took out their entire air defenses. So Hezbollah knows that. They think, wow, our patron was a big bully, a big blowhard. No one respects it anymore. This administration is going to come in and the first thing they're going to do is put oil sanctions on Iran. The next thing they're going to do is tell the Houthis, if you keep interrupting shipping in the Red Sea, you're not going to have a power grid. And they're going to tell Netanyahu, go, turn your attention to Gaza and just tell the people of Gaza, you can either have a Gulf Fed renaissance without Hamas or you can just live like you are with Hamas. But we're not going to allow you to have that terrorist organization next door to us. Israel's in the best geostrategic position that it's been in, I'd say, in 20 years. And I'll go further. And I'd say they have done more for the United States in terms of terrorist relief than any other country in the world, including ourself. People who were killing Americans in Lebanon, blew up Marines years ago. They've got them all. And I think that Netanyahu has talked to Trump and Trump has said, you know, I don't like war. You don't like war, so get it done before I get there. And I'd like it to be all cleaned up. Peace. But, you know, when I get there, tell everybody that you can do whatever you want. We'll give you the munition. I don't see Trump as a preemptive neocon going in and trying to, you know, attack Iran. He's not going to do that. He's got ways of hurting it. So I think it's a good sign. And I hope the people of Israel can get back to their homes finally.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah, I was reading another article. I believe it was on tablet, but I'm not sure where they were talking about it's a bad deal. And that the reason that Bibi is making it with Lebanon is because they are afraid that Joe Biden will slap them with a UN Resolution against Israel.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Well, I think that that doesn't mean. I think that's true.
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Sammy Wink
And at the same time, what's going on is that there's a bill in Congress against the International Criminal Court that got stalled in Congress also. So he sees bad politics in the next two months.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Yes. I mean, Israel was going to destroy Hezbollah. And so a lot of people say, well, you had your boot on their neck and you took it off. Well, the problem is domestically, he's had these people that were displaced, so now he's going to tell people, we have a truce, you can move back. They are not allowed to shoot any rockets. The UN Will have a demilitarized zone. And then he's going to tell Hezbollah there's no restraints on us. We're going to have all the guided weapons we want from the United States. If you break this truce and you start rocketing this, you're going to see things that you will not believe. And the United States is going to allow this to happen. And you know what's going to even more important for you? Everybody in the Arab world is going to want us to do this to you. They're sick of you and Iran, they're not going to come to your aid. They're terrified of us. So if you think about it and all those aspects, it's not a bad move.
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Sammy Wink
No, not at all. Well, in addition, in the news are threats of tariffs against Canada and Mexico on the part of the Trump administration. And those are not being well received by either place.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Well, you know what that's all about? It's like, okay, we told everybody in the United States to vote for Harris. They didn't. And the con is up. We can't just ship any delinquent, deranged criminal. We have to the United States anymore because Joe Biden, who's demented, and Kamala Harris is Socialist commissar. They're gone. And Trump's coming in, and he's got all of these levers. He's got this huge economy, he's got this huge military, and he's got this huge mandate. So he's telling Mexico, you're killing 100,000 people a year with fentanyl that is deliberately disguised as soft drugs. So people take it, and they don't say, oh, that's fentanyl. I'll die. So the point he's making is he's got a lot of leverage. This is just the first step. It's not like blanket tariffs. It's a asymmetrical situation vis a vis US And Mexico. Mexico is taking advantage of us. Count the ways. They are exporting mostly indigenous people from southern Mexico who are victims of racism and poverty that they will not or cannot help. They're sending them up here on the premise that the longer they get into the United States, the longer they stay, the further their way away from their poverty in Mexico, the more they romanticize Mexico as an expatriate community. Obrador said that. He said, isn't it a beautiful thing that we sent 40 million people up there? So they are sending $60 billion a year to Mexico and 60 billion to Central America. And where does the money come from? It comes from the illegal alien who gets a housing subsidy, a health Subsidy, a food subsidy, a legal subsidy, an educational subsidy. I mean, this is a country that flew a murder to Georgia free, and they don't do that for their own citizens. And that frees up any cash wages they make from drug dealing or working for cash. Go to Home Depot. Some supernatural hires you to dig some holes, and then they send that money back to Mexico. And all Trump has to say is, if you send money back to Mexico from the United States, you have to have two requirements. Requirements. You must be a legal resident. You've got to show your legal resident card. And we're going to take, no matter what it is, we're going to take 20% of it, and we're going to use that $12 billion to fast track the wall. Once you get the wall done, it doesn't mean it's going to keep them all out, but it's going to make it much easier to utilize manpower. And we know that's true because other countries use walls to great effect.
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Sammy Wink
Yes, absolutely.
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Victor Davis Hansen
And he has a lot of clout over Canada, too. The people in Canada, the provincial governors of the provinces, they don't disagree with Trump. They don't understand what Trudeau is doing. So his little open borders policy means that people go to Canada to get to here. Oh, you can come to Canada. We're liberal. We're not like the United States. Oh, you're here in Canada, from China, from Africa, from Latin America, go to the United States. The border's open. And Trump says, I know what you're doing. Don't give them that stupid little kid smile to me. And they're gonna, there's not gonna be tariffs. They're going to comply. Because all he has to do is say, you know what, China, you're not going to send all of your products that be assembled in Mexico to get around tariffs and abuse the North American Free Trade association, we know it's China stuff that they're putting together. And furthermore, you're not going to send any more fentanyl materials if you do. I mean, it would be just like the 19th century Opium wars where Britain went to war so they could have their opium to addict Chinese and get a big lucrative export market and make them docile. And that's what they're doing to us. It's kind of the renewed Opium War. Maybe it's the revenge of the Opium War, I don't know. But Trump is going to change everything. The reason I'm talking so fast, I'm upbeat for the first time in a long time. I was Looking at four. I mean, I thought Trump was going to win. I thought he was going to win. Clearly I said that. But I was looking at the four years that they did the damage and I was thinking, how can you repair all that stuff? They divided the country and they created this crazy trans phenomenon. And then there's no deterrence abroad and hyperinflation. And then he won. And then when you looked at his statistics, he won no more white voters than he did in 2016 as a percentage or in 2020. You know what won him the election? It was a like a 25 point jump in Hispanic voters, about a 10% jump in black voters, about. Oh, I don't know if those. It was almost 80% of Native American voters. He went up about 20% with Asians. So it was so ironic because the Never Trumpers said that this man is a racist. He's not going to be my Republican nominee in my name. He got more Mr. Never Trumper. He got more minority support than John McCain, Mitt Romney, George Bush, George H.W. bush, Ronald Reagan. So just explain that you told America that you were a Never Trumper because he was a racist and he would lose the election. He polarized people and that's what won him the election. And we were saying that in these podcasts, I would go into town and I'd see people I could not believe that were going to vote for Trump. Go to the nursery, go to Home Depot, go to the food market. Hey, Victor, Trump's my man. The usual El Trumpo Forever guy told me that. El Trumpo Forever, yes. So I mean, it was just a different experience and the left can't handle it. And Never Trump. There is no Never Trump right now. It ceased to exist. They're either crawled away and are non entities or they just overtly came out or leftist.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah. What I thought was interesting was that I didn't see campaign signs on lawns for Kamala or Trump in general in my drives around Fresno.
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Victor Davis Hansen
But that was.
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Sammy Wink
I know that there were some, but they weren't even putting Kamala signs on their phone. So that tells you I know that.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Was just a pro forma vote against Trump. Yeah, everybody anybody looked. And Walsh, I mean, she was the worst candidate since George McGovern in 50 years ago, in 1972. But that's not fair to McGovern because he was a sincere guy and he kind of recanted before he died about socialism. He said he believed in the free markets. He bought a bed and breakfast and he was over regulated and said you can't make it in America with these socialist policies. And then he was a B24. He flew 35 combat missions. He volunteered. He was a wonderful person. He was so much superior in every aspect of his character and background than Kamala Harris. But he ran a horrible campaign just like hers. She blew through 2 billion. Now we know if you count the PAC money and the direct who would support her for governor or all these money bags in Malibu and Beverly Hills and Newport and La Jolla, they're gonna say, I'm gonna write a check to her. It's just gonna go to Al Sharpton and beyond and OPA and the NetJet crowd. And then I saw those little yuppie people on tv. Did you see them trying to explain the defeat? They were all blaming each other and they said, well, we couldn't just take three hours to go to Joe Rogan. We wanted to. We didn't avoid it. We had a lot of press conferences. It was just denial. Denial. They had 95%. Various watchdogs have noticed. Media Research Center, I think The Shorenstein Center. 90 to 95% positive. Harris coverage, 90%, 95 negative. Trump had a billion more dollars to blow through than Trump did. The person who didn't have a lot of opportunities to campaign was not Kamala Harris. It was Donald Trump who was in court most of the spring. So they did everything to him and he. And he won.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah. And I've noticed that these celebrities and elites keep saying that, well, American voters are misinformed or they're low information. In fact, I just read the Bulwark A.B. stoddard. She has a whole article on what went wrong for the Democrats. And it basically came down to she doesn't realize her. She said, it's low information voters. And I was thinking, well, that woman doesn't realize that her attitude about low information voters is what got the vote out against her.
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Victor Davis Hansen
I can tell you. I just talked to an Indian American farmer and a Basque American farmer, big almond farmer, self made. They have more intelligence in their little finger in erudition than all these people that are making fun of them. They look down at the muscular classes. They have no idea what it takes to run a 7 11, what it takes to be a farmer, what it takes to have an independent plumbing contract. Those are intelligent people. When Sharon Stone. I just got off Jessie right now and she said, I mean, they are so ignorant. She said, this is an adolescent young country. We're not as old as it Sharon. We have the oldest constitutional system in the world, it's 248 years. If you go back to 1776, it's the oldest continual democratic federal republic in the world. As far as we don't get out, she said, we don't have passports. Well, half the people don't have the money. But as we said on that segment, if you're in Belgium and you go to France, that's like going from San Francisco to Los Angeles. I mean, you can see anything in the world. In the United States, we have more varied terrain. We have more languages, we have different people. We have more cultures than Europe. So this idea that you're parochial, we have more different types of food. And if we're so parochial, why every time I go to Europe, does everything in English and all of they have everything from folk music to rap, you know what I'm saying?
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Sammy Wink
Copying us.
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Victor Davis Hansen
They're copying us. We're not copying them, know. So it's just this Malibu, Brentwood, pampered, mediocre celebrities that are angry because they, every once in a while they go out and think, you know, if you don't vote for me, I'm going to go to Spain. Richard Geary, if you don't vote for me, I'm going to go to England. Ellen DeGeneres, if you don't vote for me, I really promise, really, really, this time I'm Cher, I'm going to go to England. Please go. Don't even shut the door. Just leave and you'll be with people that will not like you. I mean, Cher is a high school dropout. And I'm not saying that education makes you educated, but if you look at the pedigree of these people, when they say that the Americans are naive and dumb, the average American has more formal education, education than they do. You go back. Plato wrote a great dialogue called the Ion. And he tries to separate mimicry from education and intuitive analytical thinking. And he basically saying to poor little Ion in the rhetorical class and the actor class, he said it in another dialogue about the actors. They're just mimics. I mean, Robert De Niro is a great mimic. He's not a wide ranging art. He just plays himself a prick. Excuse my language, everybody. He's mean and he's tough and he's swaggering, and that's who he is. He does a great job in the Godfather and what was that? Max Cady in that creepy movie, the Cape Fear?
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Sammy Wink
Yes, the Departed.
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Victor Davis Hansen
He just. He plays himself and Jack Nicholson plays himself. I mean, there are some great actors that can play Anything Denzel Washington can do that. Marlon Brando could play a lot of different roles. But my point is that they're mimics. They're not educated. They're not necessarily intelligent. But that's a craft. It's like somebody who is born and can draw. It's very impressive, but it's not necessarily a sign of erudition. It can be natural, genius, artistic, or genius. But it's different than being educated. And they think that they're educated because they have the ability to go up on a set and mimic a character. And usually if you look at most of the actors today that are successful, they're good looking and they play themselves. In other words, they just. They find a role and say, that's me. I'll just go in there and play myself. But they're not like Anthony Hopkins.
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Sammy Wink
Anthony Hopkins. That's what I was thinking.
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Victor Davis Hansen
He's the three best act actors are Anthony Hopkins, I think Denzel Washington, and Gary Oldman. Yeah, Gary Oldman. When he was in True Romance, he was one of the most frightening characters I've ever seen. And then he plays Churchill. Yeah, and he plays the vampire, too, in Dracula.
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Sammy Wink
Wasn't he the cop in Was it the Professional or the True Romance? Well, True Romance.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Too bad he was that DEI or whatever he was. I mean, dia, he was a narco, wasn't he?
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Sammy Wink
With Natalie Portman in the Professional. Right. And he goes around and he plays the cop.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Yeah. I'm not confusing True Romance. He's that drug dealer who's crazy.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah, that's right.
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Victor Davis Hansen
And I think he's supposed to be black. And in the Professional, he's the psychopathic. Drug enforcement.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Crooked drug enforcement.
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Sammy Wink
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Victor Davis Hansen
Yeah, that's the one I see you with all the time.
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Sammy Wink
I love that little thing.
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Victor Davis Hansen
You're doing it during the show. What is it? You just breathe in it.
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Sammy Wink
I breathe in it and it tells me whether I'm mostly carb burning or fat burning. You want to be mostly carb burning before you go to exercise and mostly fat burning.
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Victor Davis Hansen
So everybody should. I'm being authentically honest that Sammy has this little device everywhere she goes.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah, I do. And it is. I'm not always honest with it about what I'm eating, but it's always honest with me because it always catches me, like high carb burning right now. And it's after I've had a bunch of.
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Victor Davis Hansen
And my little device I'm always drinking as I am right now, my elevate hydrogen infused water. That is a monthly gift from our two dear friends, Michael and Adrian Wiener.
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Sammy Wink
And it is a tasty water. I love that stuff. So, Victor, I was wondering on a story you've been talking to some newscasters about the blue state model and that it doesn't work. And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about since you and I live in this blue state.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Well, I brought that up because the Washington Post had an introspective second of why they lost. They being the left. And they concluded that they have to be honest about the blue state. All the bicoastal elite, the beautiful people, the smart people who tell us, you know, you can't drive a diesel pickup. You can't have. You have to buy an ev. You got to disconnect your natural gas stove if you have a semiautomatic weapon. As Kamala Harris. We're going to go in and get it. We're going to get it. We're going to buy back. Yeah. Well, how are you going to do? We're going to go in your home. The abortion on demand of the ninth month people, all the brilliant people live in these places and the problem with these places is they control them. So if you want to see homeless people, you go to San Francisco. If you want to see excrement on the street, you go to San Francisco. If you want to see mass looting, smash and grab, carjacking, go to Law Angeles. If you want to be attacked by illegal aliens on the street or the subway and have Alvin Bragg side with the illegal alien, go to New York. If you want to be absolutely broke and the biggest pension debt in the world per capita, go to Chicago. You might see Juicy Smollett 2 In the Morning with his sandwich and cell phone fighting off white MAGA racist. If you want to go to Seattle, you can see your grunger that society is high tax, high regulations, crooked government, utopian bromides that don't work, teachers unions, schools that are being abandoned and they're run by mostly wealthy white, black, Latino, Asian elites who put their kids in public schools that live in the suburbs and they don't experience the damage that they do. And now they feel they. The Washington Post, well that's where this article came from about the blue states this week. They feel that it's killing themselves. They feel, you know why people didn't vote for us because we create these models of high regulation and taxes and all of these top down ideas like you have to have solar panels in Fresno, San Francisco, all over California. When you're doing, you're sending the excess power into the ground, you can't use it and you're importing it at night. It's crazy. Where do they come up with these? Well, people have come up that they're just saying, not me, I don't want to be there. So they're going to red states. Very ironic because, because many of the red states that they're going to were states that never really caught up with the big baby boomer, post war industrialization, global dominance of the United States from 1945 to 1975. I'm talking about the old Confederacy. So rural, I don't know, rural Georgia, northern Florida. And now these places are being played. You know, that's where people want to go because they're well run, they have balanced budget, they're less crime and the blue state doesn't work. I don't know. This is so tragic. As a lifelong Californian, I can remember going up to San Francisco with my parents, we had a 1956 Ford and my mom made us buy these little plastic snap on ties and we all got little corduroy jackets and we would drive up in this Ford for the day. We would go to Fisherman's Wharf, perfectly clean, perfectly safe, everybody wearing a tie. And then my dad would buy all this food and he'd make sandwiches fresh. He had a little dry ice. And then we'd go out to Golden Gate park and they put a blanket. We'd all eat and then we'd go to Candlestick park, windy and cold. Watch the Giants game then. And my mom and dad would go, let's go to Ghirardelli Square and have a big Sunday before we drive back to good old Selma. And it was a wonderful time. It was safe. And they took paradise and turned it into purgatory. They really did.
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Sammy Wink
They really did. Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and then come back and talk a little bit about the DEI agenda and what's happening to it now. Stay with us.
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Sammy Wink
Welcome back to the Victor Davis Hansen Show. You can find Victor on X. His handle is Dhansen and you can find him on Facebook at Hansen's Morning cup. So come join him there. So Victor, there's a couple of things about DEI this week and I wanted to just put both of them out there and then you can address them as you would like. So we have some studies and one in particular by the network Contagion Research Institute and then a Rutgers University lab and they both seem to be showing that DEI practices can lead to ramped up hostility and racial tension. And the second story is Walmart is rolling back some of its DEI programs. But I have to say, not all of it, but things like they're not going to use the term Latinx anymore.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Because Hispanic population, no transgender underwear.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah. No DEI words in their content. And they're ending the participation in the Human Rights Campaign Corporate Equality Index, which gauges policies and benefits for the LGBTQ plus. I hope I got that right. Community. So those are some of the things Walmart is doing to roll back this DEI agenda and the study. I was wondering your thoughts on are we moving forward?
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Victor Davis Hansen
We're moving forward because the people are sick of it and there's no market. We saw the Mulvaney commercial, the Bud Light commercial.
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Sammy Wink
Dylan Mulvaney.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Dylan, yes. And then we had Dylan Mulvaney, Bud 2.0 with the Jaguar commercial, which is just incoherent. A bunch of trans. I don't know what it was. I kept thinking, where's the car? It's going to pop up any minute, any second. It never did. We talked about that. I think we Jack. So it doesn't sell. But the biggest problem with DEI is this. It doesn't help, it's not gain. I mean, I'm looking out this window. So this morning I was working and there was a four wheeler going through and it was two Hispanic guys, right? And they were working in the orchard. And then I drove to town and I saw two guys on a roof. It was raining here and they were fixing it. It doesn't do anything for those people. They just. They just treat people as people. They don't talk about their race. When you, you know, I'm about the only white guy left. So on my avenue, there's hardly any in Selma. But when I meet Mexican American people, they don't call me a white person. It's just people. It only takes an academic or a media or political grandee to start emphasizing these differences among the elite. So these people all are the same people. A Chris Matthews or a Joy Reed or Rachel Maddow. They're the same people. It's their class. And that's what this election was about. That's why they got so mad at Mexican American people, because they didn't follow the orders of these Latino grandees and magnificos and these white Karens. Right? And so that was the first problem. And the second thing is nobody wants to be reminded of a superficial aspect. You're black, black, black, black, black. You're white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white. And. And they especially don't want to be reminded of it by someone who's reminding them for their own career enhancement. Then the other problem is this is the year 2024. If you look at, because this is basically an anti white program. That's what you can't read. That moronic Ta Nahisi Coates, the comic book author, or you can't read Professor Kendi Mark Milley's author without saying it's white, white, white, white, white, white. It's an obsession. It's an obsession. And the problem with that is that when you read it, you read their literature, you go to their indoctrination. As a Stanford employee, I have to be indoctrinated. And you can't just read your, you can't just type on another computer because it's time. You can't skip through it. They have all sorts of clever ways because they know every single person, left, right, liberal, conservative, doesn't want to do it. So they have dreamed up all sorts of little glitches and hacks. So when you go on that three hour, two hour indoctrination session, you can't speed through it, you just can't do it. It's time. It's kind of like a traffic, you know when you get traffic tickets and you have to go on, but it's worse. But the point that I'm saying is that this is the 2024 and if you look at statistics on cap per capita income and you adjust them to ethnic background, so called whites are like 17 and the top are Indian Americans and Japanese Americans and Chinese Americans and Korean Americans and Arab Americans, you know what I mean? And Greek America and so called Protestant, Anglo Saxon, the big bugaboo, the big enemy, they're way down there. And there's more actual white people in the United States that are poor than any other group. It's probably because they're the largest group. So what I'm getting at is when you go to those things and they've said white privilege, white privilege, white privilege, white privilege. And then you get out of Stanford campus and you drive through Tulare or something and you see a white person, they have no privilege. But the guy that is telling you that he has privilege does have privilege. So when I go on campus and I'm lectured by somebody who's non white about how horrible everything is, I check off the car when I see them get into their car or when I think it's great, I like the Mercedes, I like the fact they're making 300,000, but I don't like the idea that they're telling me that some guy that's in part of the Oklahoma diaspora. And Bakersfield is their oppressor. So every like is not sustainable. It is a lie. Class is the great distinction, distinguishing characteristic in American society. It's not no longer race, and they know that, but they're. That's why they come up with this vocabulary. They say they're here to stop racism, but they can't find it. So they always put an adjective in front of it. It's systemic, Victor. It's everywhere. It's like air. How can we find air? Because it's everywhere. Or it's insidious. It just peeps out and crawls out in weird little ways. Or you have to have a trigger warning. A trigger warning, because you won't know when you're reading something that it's actually racist. We have to instruct you because we're experts, to show you that Kill a Mockingbird is a racist track. Or you might think, if you were an intelligent, analytical person, that it is a tract against racism and segregation. So it's like the commissar system, as I keep saying. Stalin got rid of it because they were losing the war. And we have thousands of people who are making a lot of money and siphoning off labor and capital from the system, the productive system, to monitor and regulate people to make them less efficient. And they have to find racism. That's why we have so many of these cooked up shenanigans where you have nooses, you know, or you'll have somebody writes something on the door of a dorm, and nine times out of 10, they're manufactured. Because without overt racism, there is no reason for dei.
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Sammy Wink
No.
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Victor Davis Hansen
And it's just when you see this multimillionaire Joy Reid every night on MSNB screaming and yelling with her dyed blonde hair, right? About all these horrible white people and their jaded value judgments and their criteria that are all racist, you just think, oh, my Joey, just take a big breath and enjoy life. Don't think of yourself as black. Don't think of him as white. Just get a life.
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Sammy Wink
Absolutely.
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Victor Davis Hansen
It's dead. Di is dead.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah. I hope so. It seems to be dying.
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Victor Davis Hansen
It is. It's sort of like some of the classes that we were forced to take at UC Santa Cruz.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah.
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Victor Davis Hansen
In the 19. I was a freshman there in 71. And they were so crazy that they died. And if I told people what they were, nobody would believe me. But you had to take them. But it was ecology of the mind.
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Sammy Wink
Well, what I find amusing is that usually these DEI officers that are checking everybody out to make sure that they're actively doing these things are usually the most emotionally unstable people I've ever come across in my life. So.
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Victor Davis Hansen
They are, they are, they are. And you know when you have to self identify, you've lost the argument. If you have to say as a Latino, as a white, as a black person, who cares?
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Sammy Wink
Yeah. Victor, I wanted to turn to Stanford University, and I know that Stanford faculty have refused to retract their censure of Scott Atlas. And I know you know the story there, so can you let us in on it?
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Victor Davis Hansen
Well, Scott Atlas, remember, this is what is so ironic about Scott. I've known him for a long time. He's a colleague. Scott was probably the premier radial neurologist, in other words, the expert in reading MRIs and CAT scans of the brain and the spinal column to detect cancers. He was an expert. He edited a two volume magnum opus and he was the chairman of the neuroradiology department. Then he came over to Hoover and he translated that expertise into a broad. He's published 100 refereed articles, books, and then he translated that into public health policy. So he was the person on public health of the Hoover Institution. So when this Covid thing came along, he didn't go, you know, Mr. Trump, I need a job. He didn't need it. He started writing op eds. And he pointed out that if you continue this complete lockdown that we've never done, children that were very 0.001% were likely to die. It was almost, it was less lethal to people under the age of 12 than influenza. But if you take their seminal educational years away from them, you're going to damage them and you're going to. And you're going to enhance alcoholism, substance abuse, sexual abuse, familial abuse. By cooping people up for a year and a half, you're going to have people whose lives are going to be lost by missed cancer screening, missed prostate, missed prostate exam, missed mastectomy procedures. And that happened. So the overall death rate will probably be higher than deaths attributed to Covid and countries like Sweden that opened their economy up and got over it. And then he was mischaracterized. He never said the vaccinations were not working. He just said that when Fauci and Birx and Biden said that once you get vaccinated, you're completely immune from the virus and you can't. But that's never really been true with coronaviruses, that they mutate. And sure enough, we found out all these variants you had to get one booster, two boosters, three boosters, four boosters. And he said, mask. If you're, you know, you're in a hospital, that's why surgeons wear masks. They have utility. But the idea you're driving down the 99 freeway, which we saw, I saw every day, people with a mask with all the windows rolled up in their own car, in their own car alone. It was crazy. And then somebody yelling at you on the street, you wears your mask, roll down your window. So he was against all that. And he went to work. Trump heard about him, Rush put him on. He became an instant celebrity as a counter voice of reason. So he started to counsel Donald Trump that the Fauci Burke's agendas were not based on rational research and rational fact. And he started to produce double blind studies from the period before COVID There had been a whole literature on masks and quarantines not working in other epidemics throughout history, modern history. And they got very angry. And so people at Stanford looked at him, they said, ah, he left the medical school. He's a radiologist, he's not public health. He was a public health person. Then they said, he's at the right wing Hoover Institute. Hoover's not right wing anymore. And they started to go after him. They tried to take his medical license. I wrote two essays on his behalf and I got really accosted by people who came up to me, how dare you write. I said, he's going to be proven right. Jay Bacharya as well. And then we also had John Ioannidis. As I said earlier, the irony was Stanford, left wing, intolerant, psycho Stanford. It had the four best immunologists and public health people in the world. On the topic of COVID policy, Jay Bhattaria, John Yannis, Scott Atlas and Michael Abbott. And they completely trashed them. But Scott is the one they went after because he was not subtle. He was very candid and open. And they censored him and they didn't give him due process. They didn't ask him to come in and explain. They didn't ask for other people. They didn't say, we're going to censure you, but give us your point of view. We're academics. We believe in intellectual inquiry and disinterested research. No, they just went in hysteria and they trashed him and they slandered and smeared him and they censored him. And then after the, I don't know what you call it after, since Joe Biden got elected and the evil Trump was gone and Covid didn't kill anybody, but people were really suffering from the lockdown. I think the lockdown actually caused. Helped cause the George Floyd riots. When you let everybody out, suddenly they went nuts. So many bad things happened from the lockdown.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah, I agree.
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Victor Davis Hansen
But in any case, now there's a little guilt. We have a new president of Stanford, and he's Mr. Levin, and he is reasonable and analytical. He came from the business school. And there's a sense that maybe we went a little too far with Scott Ellis. Well, with everything. Judge Duncan we shouted down at the law school. And then our DEI person hijacked his lecture. And the trans people were horrible. They said, we want your daughter to be raped. And then the pro Hamas encampment went on for four months. Then they went to these majestic sandstone columns. I was a little boy. I'd go up there with my mom. She was an alumna. And they were just beautiful. And they went and they just sprayed them with paint and made these poor workers go out with tweezers to get the paint out. They trashed the president's office. That's all over now. They're up on felony charges with the Santa Clara prosecutor. So there's a new atmosphere, not among the faculty, but among the administration that has to deal with the alumni and the donor class and some of the students. So they're bringing back the SAT. I don't think they'll only let 9% white males. White males are about 35% of the population, but they discriminate down to 9%. But here's my point. They had this reconsideration, so they brought it up, and you know what they said? Oh, we can't reconsider Scott Atlas because if we rescinded his censure right before the election, it might help Trump. Think about it. I'm a Stanford professor. All 350 million people are looking at us because we are the most brilliant, important people. We produce giants like Sam Bankman, Fried's family, and Professor Hancock or whatever Hitchcock or whatever is. He's the expert. Expert on disinformation on the Internet. And he just submitted an article where the footnotes were made up by disinformation and Theranos. Yes. And we have the Stanford Internet Observatory, which. Oh, yeah, they kicked it out and dissolved it because it was so biased. So. Oh, we had Theranos, too. The Theranos, the Ponzi scheme. So we're just so smart and everybody listens to us because of our reputation. So 96% of the Stanford faculty In a recent study, gave money to the left and 94% voted for Biden in 2020. So there is no diversity. But anyway, they felt that they couldn't rescind it because it would. So some people said, okay, you don't want to rescind it. We'll wait till the election's over. And they thought that Harris would win, but Trump won. That got him really angry. So they went, the few, the tiny few, the band of brothers, we few. They said, it's time to give Scott a fair shake. So they went back and they were going to have a vote and he lost. They would not rescind it. Even some people on the left got angry and said, you never gave him due process. So he is still officially censored for the crime of being right about the quarantine. And so outside of the Stanford campus, he's in demand. I mean, he goes to Europe, he goes all over the world. People want to hear him. They want to have him analyze what happened during the breakdown. The Scandinavian model in Sweden. You know what I mean? They looked at Scott. Everybody has honored him but the prophet in his own place. They will not lift the censure because you know why? It's too embarrassing to say we were bigoted, we were biased, we didn't give him due process and we're supposed to be PhDs and doctors with MDs. And so that's what happened. And now, of course, he's up for a high position in the Trump. He and Jay Bacharya. I don't know which one will get the National. I think Jay is mentioned as the director of National Institute of Health. I think had Scott wanted one of the other positions, he could have easily been appointed. Yeah, but speaking of appointments.
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Sammy Wink
Oh, yes, hold on a second. Let's take a break and then come back and talk about those appointments. Stay with us. We'll be back.
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Sammy Wink
Welcome back to the Victor Davis Hansen Show. Before we go on to appointments, I just, when you were talking, I had a thing that came across my mind about Fauci and his reaction to Covid. And I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and I'm going to apologize to your audience because they're not going to like this. But I would, I mean, when Fauci's reaction was extreme, as you were saying, with how Scott said this is not even based in science, etc. But do you think Fauci's extreme reaction was because he was financing gain of function research? And he saw that came out and he was like, oh my God, wrap everybody in Saran Wrap and let's not get Covid from each other because this thing could be really bad.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Well, he, first of all, he contradicted himself. He said the shots wouldn't give you immunity. Then he said they would. Then he said you should not wear a mask. Then he said you should wear a mask. Then he said you should wear two masks. So he was fumbling for answers. And so what was the genesis of that anxiety they had? Why was he so paranoid? And you go back to those original redacted emails, like within a week or two of the outbreak between Francis Collins and Redfield, cdc, nih, Fauci and Peter Dosek at Echo Health. And this is why some people despise him. I don't despise him, but the reason that they despise him, they take this kind of analytical process and they go, if this happened, this happened, if that happened. And they get down to the origin, the kernel. And basically they say that it was illegal to do gain of function research. And Fauci and Peter Dasak with the knowingly, the knowing support probably of Redfield. But he turned on them. I mean, he got sick of it. But Shirley Collins, they decided that this lab could do the research that they wanted, even though it was controlled in part by the People's Liberation army, even though people who had built it in France said it was not safe. They would do gain of fiction research and then they would secretly transmit money through Peter Daszak's Eco Health. In other words, he was a third party, kind of like fusing gps. They give him the money, then he gave it to the lab and they would conduct it and they were allowed to share it. Think of the naivete. Why would you trust the Communist party, which is the inheritor of a 60 million person genocide under Mao Zedong, to be transparent and honest? Fauci was trusting them. So number two, not only was he trusting them, he felt that he was going to get information about what this valuable research was. We had Stephen Quay on here, the geneticist biologist, and he said that it was very hard to make an argument that gain of function research ever developed any, what's the word, valuable research insights or breakthroughs about biology that given the risk and the cost of benefit analysis, it was a no go, always a no go procedure. Don't do it. So Fauci did it and then it got loose. And he wanted to tell everybody two things. It was a pangolin. It was a pangolin or it might have been a bat. It's a bat now. No animal ever had it before. A human did. But that doesn't prove anything. I know it was 50, 60, 70 miles away and I know the Wuhan lab was right next to the Wuhan Wuhan breakout. But we've got to put a damper on this. And now we got to get masks, we got to get quarantines, we got to shut it down or they're going to blame me that I was the creator of the Wuhan virus. That's what his problem was. So he kept. Then the left looked at him and they said, you know what? He is our agent to the 2020 election. Donald Trump had survived impeachment. Remember that? The second impeachment. So he was coming into 2020, into the campaign season, for a brief moment. He had plus 2 GDP growth. He had about 1.4 inflation. He had secured the border. He had gotten rid of Soleimani, Baghdadi, the Wagner group. Putin didn't leave his borders. It was all working. This was prior to what, George Floyd in May and the big riots. So they thought he was a shoe in. And then they said, Covid and Fauci's a hero. He wants to lock down the country. If he locks down the country, we can have everybody mail in ballots. If you, if you used to have 30% absentee ballots in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, we'll just have 70. And you won't be able to authenticate because they're going to be mailed in and people may vote that shouldn't vote. And that'll be really good. That was the record number of ballots that were ever cast. Explain that to me before. Much greater than 2016. And the population had grown considerably in the last four years, and it was greater than this year's tally. No comment. But that's what Fauci did. So he was paranoid that his culpability would be exposed if the virus took off. So he thought that he was going to try any crackpot idea and lecture. So his big thing was the pharmaceuticals. Who knows what his financial connection was, if any, with Pfizer Moderna. But their big thing was that they were going to step in and save us with these untried genetic engineering vaccines. They weren't even vaccines. They were genetic engineering. And of course, they knew that in October that they worked for a brief period and then they deliberately sat on that information because they did not want Donald Trump. Two weeks before the election, as they had planned in late October, Pfizer was going to announce it. And they thought, oh, you know what? Donald Trump's going, he's going to go all over and say, hey, I did Operation Workspeed. I got it through everything. I got Pfizer. It works. I say, no, no, no, no. So as soon as he was. The election was over, then they said, oh, it works. And then Joe Biden did what Joe Biden always does. He lied. He said there was nobody vaccination vaccinated until I came in. 17 million people were already vaccinated.
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Sammy Wink
Wow.
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Victor Davis Hansen
So it was a sordid, sordid situation.
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Sammy Wink
It sure was. So back.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Scott saw through that. Jay saw through that. Martin Kullendorf saw through that. There was a lot of people who saw through it.
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Sammy Wink
Well, let's go back to appointments. Msnbc, speaking of, another great place, is excited about a Trump appointment and that is the Secretary of labor pick, Republican Lori Chavez De Rimer. And she has supported unions in the past and the pro act, which is making it easier for organized labor. And the Teamsters even support her. And I've heard that Josh Hawley has called for a pro labor conservatism. And I was wondering.
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Victor Davis Hansen
I don't think she's a conservative. There's been two appointments that I was worried about. Hers is one, and of course Matt Gaetz, and that was for the teamsters union, Sean O'Brien, I think his name was. They got the Teamsters guy to get neutral and 55% of the teachers, the Teamsters voted for Trump, maybe higher. So Trump felt that he owed them something. But I don't think they vetted her. Enough. Because she's like anti school choice charter schools, pro teachers union. That's not going to be a viable appointment. It's not sustainable. And I think the more that we've watch the Pete Hegseth, he will get confirmed.
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Sammy Wink
You think so?
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Victor Davis Hansen
I think he will.
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Sammy Wink
They're just going after him.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Yeah, but I mean, now there's the latest since we talked in graphic terms about this false accusation. They don't want to admit it, but there's been information circulating that she did the same thing with someone else.
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Sammy Wink
Oh, wow.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Yeah. She had a consensual sexual relationship. That's the allegation. I don't want to be culpable for spreading rumors, but it's out in the media and they will not release. The law enforcement agency will not release that information. She will not have it released. And then the more that you look at the Pentagon.
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Sammy Wink
I have a question before you go on. But if they're doing appointments, then this is not a legal court case. It is an appointment. So they can ask for other evidence on somebody who is accusing him.
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Victor Davis Hansen
He can, but. So his supporters want to say this woman has a history of accusing people after post facto coitus.
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Sammy Wink
And they can bring it out.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Yes, I think they'll try to bring that out. But more importantly, the more that we're looking at the Pentagon and we're short ships, they can't build submarines, they're short Javelins, they're short artillery shells. The Afghanistan debacle, the. The $880 billion budget and they can't find. What is it? How many billions of dollars is missing? I said, I don't know how much. It was. It was huge. It was a huge amount of money that their audit can't find. And so Pete's the only one that you can think of that is going in there for one reason. He's going in there to change the procurement, get a lot of stuff rather than just a few exotic multibillion dollar weapons platforms. Stop the revolving door with generals to defense contractors. Get rid of dei, promote battlefield efficacy without out of die. He's a combat veteran. He's an Ivy League educated. He's written four best. He's written four books. He's done documentaries. He was valedictorian of his class. He's got everything. He has a Jerusalem tattoo and Deus wolt, a good Latin phrase that I. That's from, I think Samuel in the Old Testament. God does not want your shoes. Deus wolt anemon periri. I think it's something like God does not want your soul to perish. But anyway, he's going to make it. I don't know. I think Tulsi Gabbard, John Bolton, Milton's gone after George Will has gone after her because of prior things she said in her prior incarnation as a leftist, she was to the left of Bernie Sanders on foreign policy. That's possible, but I think that even she has a chance. Rfk, that'll be tricky because a lot of Americans feel that the food we're eating is poisonous and is deleterious to our health. And he's a Kennedy. So that'll be tricky because the left hasn't quite, you know what I mean? The Whole Foods crowd doesn't quite know what to do with rfk. And somebody called me, I was at school Monday and somebody said, why do you always want people who've been married three times? I said, what do you mean? I said, well, RFK has been married three times, Donald Trump has been married three times, and Pete Hegseth has been married three times. You know what I said, Would you rather have omar Bradley running 30 divisions or George Patton? Omar Bradley was an upright, happily married person. George Patton was an inveterate womanizer. Who do you think the best general, battlefield general was since the Civil War? I would give you kind of an eccentric battlefield general besides Patton. I mean, since Sherman. And I mean, I'm not talking about theater commanders like Ike or Pershing that really were good administrators of MacArthur. I'm talking about a person that went out and led battle. And that would mean either a corps commander of two or three divisions or a Army group commander with three or four corps.
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Sammy Wink
Matthew Ridgway.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Yes, he was.
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Sammy Wink
Oh, did I get it right?
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Victor Davis Hansen
You did.
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Sammy Wink
Woohoo. People are going to celebrate.
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Victor Davis Hansen
He was one of my savior generals when I wrote about the. He saved the Korean War. Without him, we would have lost the Korean War. But guess what? He got married three times. He was thrice married. He was very quiet. He lived to be 98. Must have kept him alive. But whatever. He was a great. So I don't see the connection between three marriages and even things that are not wise. I think that was a period in Pete Hegseth's life that he wouldn't want to repeat, you know, a one night hookup. But anyway, I think he has a good chance. There's a couple of things, you know, I mentioned, Scott. There's two. I was on the American Battlefield Monument Commission, right. If anybody listening that has any influence. And I was similarly fired by Barack Obama as soon as he took office. But it was a wonderful commission. It was responsible for all the overseas graves of people who have died for the United States, predominantly in World War I and World War II. About half of our soldiers did not. Their families did not choose to have the bodies shipped back, and they were buried. And there are beautiful cemeteries in Belgium, in France, in Tunisia, in Italy. And you need a really good group of people to oversee that because there are always temptations by Europeans. Europeans will come and say, oh, wow, Saving Private Ryan and the D Day Normandy cemetery. You've got all this tourist traffic. We want to partner with you. Why don't we make a peace pavilion right next door? So you have to be careful about that. But there's a guy who the American Battlefield Monument Commission had commissioned to write a history of it, Tom Connor, and he wrote a history of it. He's a Hillsdale retired professor of military history, and he is the world's expert on the American Battlefield Monuments Commission. Right. And guess what? He's retired. He was the chairman of the History Department. He's an endowed chair of military history at this phenomenal school. And guess what? He's an academic. And he voted for Trump. Ergo, Sammy, hire him. Yes, he should be on that committee, if anybody's listening. Second, I hit this nail down, but I've had a soft spot for Cyprus ever and Greece, because I lived in Greece. I visited Cyprus, I think now, three times. And I like Greeks, and I think they're very important. I was very sad when we were estranged during the dark years of the Papadopoulos dictatorship and the Yenedis dictatorship and the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974, which, unfortunately, the Nixon government played real politic and backed. Well, they didn't back the Turks, but they let the Turks run wild. But here's the point. Cyprus is a key ally of ours, and they have shown an interest in stopping the money laundering and the Russian money laundering. And they had tried to partner with Israel and Greece to bring natural gas into Italy. Think of that. Europe is short natural gas right now. And they were going to bring it in, but they were sanctioned by the Biden administration because they said, oh, we don't believe in fossil fuels. And Cyprus, if you look at that location In World War II, the British kept it and the Germans never had it. They got Crete, but not Cyprus. It's strategically located, and Greece is a wonderful ally of the United States. Now. It always was a name, but now it really is. And so you need somebody in those countries that knows them. Speaks the language and is a fanatically patriotic, pro American and pro Trump. And I kept saying Max Nikias, the USC president, former, if he could be ambassador to Greece or Cyprus, he's kind of a model, like a Tom Connor or a Scott Atlas that we need to get, because I know we need disruptors at the top, but we need professional disruptors that come in. They don't want to disrupt just for disruption of the administrative state, but they agree with the Trump agenda. And so they're going to be loyal and they're going to try to get allies on our side, on our side and firm up these associations. And these people abroad, like Trump, they look at the transgender mess, they look at the open border, they look at the crime, they look at the homeless. They say this is not the United States that we can rely on. So they want to be closer. So it seems to me in all these cases, we need to get people with expertise.
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Sammy Wink
Yes.
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Victor Davis Hansen
And Tom Connor and Max Nakias would be ideal.
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Sammy Wink
Okay, well, Victor, we're at the end of our episode today.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Are we out of time?
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Sammy Wink
Yes, we're out of time. We're beyond time by about 10 minutes or so. But I have a reader on your website.
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Victor Davis Hansen
You know what else I want to say before I can interrupt you. It's my show.
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Sammy Wink
Yes, of course.
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Victor Davis Hansen
I would have liked to see Devin Nunes, head of the CIA, but I understand, you know, he's needed at Truth Social, but he would have been a great Secretary of Agriculture. I wouldn't want him to be Secretary of Agriculture. You know, be a good secretary. I know a lot of people on the MAGA movement don't like Kevin McCarthy, but he would be a good Secretary of Agriculture. He knows agriculture backwards and forwards. But it might be interesting to see him run for governor.
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Sammy Wink
I was going to say, I guess.
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Victor Davis Hansen
He'S a lot smarter than Kamala Harris and he knows politics and he's a good fight fundraiser.
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Sammy Wink
And he looks as smooth as a kid.
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Victor Davis Hansen
And he's from the Central Valley and he understands the poor white population, the Mexican American working class, the middle classes, the muscular classes of California. He's from that background. He would be a wonderful candidate. So that's another plug.
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Sammy Wink
Here is a response to your immorality of illegal immigration. I'm waiting for the day Holman is authorized to use as many aircraft carriers as he needs loaded with cots and food for the crews taking illegals home. And I do mean home. If countries use their navy to stop the repatriation, live fire. And he says, and I Also want the government to investigate the NGOs that have been helping these illegal immigrants. And he says leftists have said January 6th was an illegal debacle and too many were sentenced to solitary before a legal hearing because they trespassed. Governors and the leaders of these NGOs should be treated the very same way. These examples should be deterrents. As much as I think the more.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Everybody learns about January 6th, they can see that there was a deliberate effort not to call out the National Guard, both by the military and Nancy Pelosi and the Capitol Police. They could have stopped any violence that ensued.
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Sammy Wink
We're going to talk about that on the Saturday episode.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Yes. And Matthew. I said Matthew or Matt. Matt Rosenberg, the New York Times Pulitzer Prize winner. He said in that ambush interview with James O'Keefe that what was the big deal? I walked around there, it was peaceful. And I saw all these FBI people that I knew that were undercover. Nobody said, remember, they asked Krista Wray, we want the names of all the FBI undercover agents. And we had that crazy guy that was egging everybody on, and they kind of treated him with soft gloves. Lynn Cheney's committee and you know, is it Benny Johnson? Was that his name? The Thompson, what was his name? The chair of the committee had been in 2004 voting to stop the election and overturn the electoral college vote in Ohio in the 2004 Bush victory. And you had Liz Cheney. And they never really found all of the records. You know, it was all. It needs to be investigated in that crazy time.
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Sammy Wink
Yeah, it sure does.
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Victor Davis Hansen
It really does.
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Sammy Wink
And they are starting to do it. But we were going to talk about that on Saturday. Stay with us, everybody.
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Victor Davis Hansen
And the illegal immigration, I wrote the immorality of it. It's not fair to legal immigrants. They wait in line. It's not fair to give somebody an advantage who has not applied legally, doesn't speak the language, will have to be supported when you have hundreds of thousands of people from Europe, from India, from China, from Africa, and they are professionals, they've waited so long. And you let people cut in front of the line. And we know who's doing this. The employers want cheap labor. The Democratic Party wants new demographic and constituents under mail and ballot. The Mexican government wants remittances. And the cartels are for it. And so Mexico is for it. And there's nobody against it except the people. They don't like it. And all these people have been maimed and harmed by DUI drivers. And I mean, it was just common sense. If you take People from the poorest places in the world that don't have any knowledge of the United States and no health background, no criminal background, and you just dump them into the United States. What, what do you think they're going to do when they get in a car? What do you think they're going to do when you give things free to them? It's just a logical. It's a logical result is the mess we have. And Tom Holman's kind of a tragic figure. I really like him. I say tragic not because he just is unflinching. You know what I mean? They make fun of him, they attack him and he comes on there like a British bulldog. He just doesn't yield. He doesn't. You'd think that after all the times he's been interviewed and attacked by the opposition, he'd say, now look, this is a problem. And he doesn't. He said, this is the law. What is amoral and wrong is not trying to take people back who broke our laws to their original countries. It is separating children. It is aiding the cartels with fentanyl trafficking. That killed. It is child sexual trafficking. It's this. And you are allowing this to happen. And you're shorting legal. Of course we have to take them back. Well, you're going to go into every room. It's so funny to see these leftists in the media that say you're going to do this and you're going to do this and you're going to do this and you want to say, well, what did you do? You created it. You brought people in just so you could get political advantage or out of guilt or out of selfishness to profit with cheap labor. You did this. You separated parents and their children. You were the people who allowed people to kill 100,000 by allowing them to sneak in fentanyl. You, you, you did it. You nullified the law. You're the Confederate. You're the 600 cities that are what, sanctuary jurisdictions? You did that. And it's all predicated on the right wouldn't do this. They wouldn't. Those crazy rednecks in Utah wouldn't, you know, say that. I don't know. Federal DEI statues don't apply to our county. We're just going to ignore them. We're not going to have gun registration. The EPA has no Inland Navigation act here in our country. We're going to not what would happen. Yeah, you're a confederate. You're just like Stonewall Jackson. Yeah, that's what they would say. That's who they are, by the way. They're George Wallace in the doorstep of 1963, University of Alabama saying, we're not going to let some black people in here. JFK nationalized the Alabama State Guard and sent in federal troops. Is that what they want? They want to be George Wallace and say, we're on the side of these immigrants that are killing and raping and maiming people and destroying the whole idea of legal immigration. That's who our constituents are, and we're going to stand in the door and stop these federal troops from enforcing law that the majority of people want. That's a losing proposition.
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Sammy Wink
It sure is.
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Victor Davis Hansen
That's why they. I want to see it happen. I don't want to see the human tragedy, but I do want to see these people side against the Tom Holmans who are trying to do the right thing and correct this madness and see what happens. Yeah. And then send Pete Buttigieg and Alejandro Mayorkas back to the private sector.
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Sammy Wink
Nobody wants him in the private sector.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Gosh.
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Sammy Wink
All right, Victor, we're at the end here. Thanks to our audience. We really appreciate you.
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Victor Davis Hansen
Thank you, everybody.
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Sammy Wink
This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis Hansen, and we're signing off.