412: Coffee with Mom—Pimping Out Your Brothers for Halloween with Peggy Rowe

Summary

Podcast Summary: Episode 412 — "Coffee with Mom—Pimping Out Your Brothers for Halloween with Peggy Rowe"

Release Date: October 31, 2024

In this engaging episode of "The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe," host Michael Rowe sits down with his mother, Peggy Rowe, and co-host Chuck to delve into nostalgic memories, humorous anecdotes, and insightful discussions centered around Halloween and personal growth. The conversation seamlessly weaves through various topics, offering listeners a heartfelt and entertaining experience.

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1. Lifelong Learning and Personal Growth

The episode begins with Michael expressing his appreciation for ongoing learning, even in later years. He reflects on his relationship with his mother, emphasizing the joy of discovering new things together.

Michael Rowe [00:28]: "I just love the fact that we're still learning new things all these years later."

Peggy underscores the importance of never being too late to learn, highlighting a positive outlook on personal development.

Peggy Rowe [00:41]: "You're never too late to learn."

2. The Great Footwear Debate: Heels vs. Soles

A lighthearted yet technical discussion ensues about the anatomy of shoes, focusing on the distinction between heels and soles. Michael grapples with understanding shoe terminology, while Peggy shares her preference for comfortable, sensible shoes over high heels.

Michael Rowe [02:30]: "I just wonder, like, when does the heel begin and the sole stop?"

Peggy Rowe [02:44]: "Well, it's a heel. Like, it's not a sole, but it's the heel. It's the back part of your shoe."

The conversation touches on Peggy's fashion choices, revealing her shift from high heels to more practical footwear as she aged.

Peggy Rowe [02:25]: "My idea of a fancy shoe now is just a little black suede comfortable shoe."

3. Halloween Traditions and Childhood Memories

Halloween takes center stage as Michael and Peggy reminisce about their childhood experiences with trick-or-treating. Michael shares vivid memories of escorting his younger brothers, Scott and Phil, through their neighborhood, emphasizing the camaraderie and strategy involved in accumulating candy.

Michael Rowe [12:00]: "We did," referring to collecting candy efficiently during trick-or-treating.

Peggy reminisces about the vibrant Halloween celebrations in their current living community, contrasting it with their quieter past.

Peggy Rowe [07:15]: "Last week, there was a Halloween holiday karaoke party, and everybody dressed up, and, oh my golly, they were doing the Congo line all around the place and just having the best time."

4. Haunted Experiences and Skepticism

The conversation takes a spooky turn as Michael recounts a haunting experience at a campsite near the historic Battle of Antietam. He describes hearing what seemed like active battle sounds—cannon fire, screaming, and rifle fire—during a camping trip with John Willard.

Michael Rowe [19:24]: "We had a park ranger there telling us the whole story of it... suddenly we heard sounds that felt both close and far away."

Peggy brings a healthy dose of skepticism to the tale, suggesting that the sounds might have been orchestrated recordings linked to the campfire storytelling.

Peggy Rowe [24:21]: "I think somebody was playing the soundtrack... I don't think sounds from, you know, a couple hundred years ago are really coming back to haunt you at night."

Chuck adds to the discussion by introducing the concept of "battlefield phenomena" or "ghostly echoes," providing a broader context for such experiences.

Chuck [23:42]: "Echoes of gunfire, spectral voices. Many claim to hear faint voices or cries that seem to belong to soldiers..."

5. Peggy Rowe's Writing and Community Stories

Peggy shares insights into her writing endeavors, particularly her latest book that compiles stories from residents of their retirement community. She describes interactions with neighbors who recognize their stories in her work, highlighting both humorous and poignant tales.

Peggy Rowe [46:53]: "When he was a child, he lived in Lithuania with his parents and three siblings... he spent part of his childhood in Siberia."

Michael praises Peggy's storytelling abilities, noting the genuine impact her book has had on readers.

Michael Rowe [59:55]: "People are absolutely loving it... It's that much fun."

6. An Embarrassing Halloween Zoom Mishap

Adding a dose of humor, Peggy recounts a recent Halloween-related incident involving a Zoom church service. Attempting to let her husband sleep, she inadvertently left her microphone unmuted while swearing, leading to an embarrassing but memorable moment when her ex-boyfriend humiliated her.

Peggy Rowe [40:16]: "She said, 'Peggy, you forgot to mute your computer.' I thought I was going to have a heart attack."

Michael humorously teases Peggy about the mishap, ensuring listeners are entertained by the relatable blunder.

Michael Rowe [62:57]: "Mom, I love you. Congratulations on your book..."

7. Personal Anecdotes and Family Stories

The episode wraps up with a series of personal stories that underscore the family's dynamic and shared history. From winning carnival raffle tickets to reflecting on past relationships, Michael and Peggy offer listeners a glimpse into their lives filled with humor, luck, and heartfelt moments.

Peggy Rowe [49:41]: "They were very poor... but that car raffle just changed our lives."

Michael shares a tale of his ex-girlfriend Katie winning big on The Price Is Right, illustrating themes of luck and unexpected success.

Michael Rowe [60:00]: "So she goes down and plays the game... she wins both of them."

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Conclusion

Episode 412 offers a rich tapestry of stories and discussions, blending humor, nostalgia, and insightful reflections. Michael Rowe and Peggy Rowe's natural chemistry creates a warm and engaging atmosphere, making listeners feel like part of the family conversation. Whether reminiscing about Halloween adventures, debating shoe anatomy, or sharing ghostly encounters, this episode is a delightful installment for both longtime fans and newcomers alike.

Notable Quotes:

• Michael Rowe [00:28]: "I just love the fact that we're still learning new things all these years later."
• Peggy Rowe [00:41]: "You're never too late to learn."
• Michael Rowe [02:30]: "I just wonder, like, when does the heel begin and the sole stop?"
• Peggy Rowe [07:15]: "Last week, there was a Halloween holiday karaoke party..."
• Michael Rowe [19:24]: "We had a park ranger there telling us the whole story of it..."
• Peggy Rowe [24:21]: "I think somebody was playing the soundtrack..."
• Chuck [23:42]: "Echoes of gunfire, spectral voices..."
• Peggy Rowe [46:53]: "When he was a child, he lived in Lithuania..."
• Peggy Rowe [40:16]: "She said, 'Peggy, you forgot to mute your computer.'"
• Michael Rowe [62:57]: "Mom, I love you. Congratulations on your book..."

This episode masterfully balances lighthearted banter with deeper reflections, making it a memorable listen for anyone interested in family stories, Halloween lore, and the joys of lifelong learning.

Transcript

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[Michael Rowe]

CT mobile.com A cup of coffee with my with my mom. I just love the fact that we're still learning new things all these years later.

[Peggy Rowe]

You're never too late to learn.

[Michael Rowe]

You can be too late to learn for sure. I don't think you're ever too old to learn. But let's say you're late. Like I was late. I'm 15 minutes late for this today and I'm learning that that's a. I think that's a character flaw. Nobody to blame but me. I overestimated my strength and I underestimated the impact of 65 pounds walking around in high humidity. And you two have suffered the consequences.

[Peggy Rowe]

Thought you were going to say in high heels. Oh my God. Now that is something to worry about.

[Michael Rowe]

I'm trying to develop my calf muscles.

[Peggy Rowe]

Yeah, right.

[Michael Rowe]

Do you actually own high heels anymore?

[Peggy Rowe]

I used to, but I don't now. No. My idea of a fancy shoe now is just a little black suede comfortable shoe. Sensible shoes with like a heel, maybe three quarters of an inch or an inch.

[Michael Rowe]

Do they even call that a heel? Or is it like a wedge?

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, it's a heel. Like, it's not a sole, but it's the heel. It's the back part of your shoe.

[Michael Rowe]

I just wonder, like, when does the heel begin and the soul stop? If it's just one continuous sloping thing.

[Peggy Rowe]

You know, the heel is the part beneath your heel, I would think.

[Michael Rowe]

Yeah, but if it's attached to the soul, I just wonder if it's just a, you know, an elevated soul as opposed to a standalone. I'm only interested in this because, you know, I travel a lot and Mary, my business partner, is with me a lot and we're the same age, really, and she wears these heels that I just don't see Most women wearing. They're very tall. They're like four inches. And.

[Peggy Rowe]

I know.

[Michael Rowe]

I don't understand.

[Peggy Rowe]

They're real skinny. And her toes are out. I don't know how she does it. And she can walk for blocks.

[Michael Rowe]

Yeah, it's really amazing. I mean, I think she's just on her toes. I guess that's what women do. You just learn to do this thing. Some do anyway. But you never really seem to care too much about it.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, because I married a man who was my exact height, and so I didn't want to be looking down on.

[Michael Rowe]

Him, lord it over him.

[Peggy Rowe]

So we were the same height for many years, but I think he might be losing a little bit in height.

[Michael Rowe]

You think he's shrinking a little bit?

[Peggy Rowe]

Yes.

[Chuck]

So, according to ChatGPT, the sole of your foot typically refers to the entire bottom part of your foot, especially the area that makes contact with the ground. It includes the arch and the ball of the foot. The heel of your foot, on the other hand, specifically refers to the back part of the foot, where it connects to the ankle.

[Michael Rowe]

Do you think that translates to shoes, though the heel of a shoe would be the back of it? I don't know. I just. Because I see these shoes, women, shoes, all of the time, and the sole immediately under the toe might be a quarter of an inch, but then the sole that continues under the heel might be two and a half inches. And I think they call those wedges, but I don't know. I don't think there's a part of your foot that's a wedge. But I do think there's a type of shoe that's a wedge. And I think it might be in reference to the shape of the sole and the incorporation of the heel or the heel stack into the soul itself, if that makes sense.

[Peggy Rowe]

I sure hope we're recording, Chuck, because this is so interesting.

[Chuck]

Well, actually, yes, we are recording, and I believe that the wedge is called the wedge because it has the shape of a wedge. It's not necessarily where the heel is up and then the arch goes down and the toes are there, you know, but it's rather just an incline, like a little sliding board.

[Michael Rowe]

I learned a new term. Mom, I know you're hanging on to every word of this, but it's called a heel stack. And the heel stack is, I believe, a reference to the different types of layered material that can be incorporated into a heel. Like on my Wolverine boots, for instance, there's a heel stack, and the bottom part of the heel stack is a kind of A like a Vibram sole that's designed to grip the ground, but then up from that is a chunk of wood, and then on the other side of that is something that I think is a bit more cushion. Now, interestingly, the chunk of wood was pulled from a cask that held a type of bourbon called Pappy Van Winkle, which they sell for $3,000 a bottle. So these Pappy Van Winkle guys partnered with the Wolverine guys, and we did this fundraiser for microworks around a pair of bo, differentiated by the fact that a little bit of wood in the heel stack came from this very rare bourbon there by now, allowing us to sell the boots for a lot of money. I think we raised $160,000, Chuck, on that one fundraiser, if I'm not mistaken.

[Chuck]

That was a good one. If you get in a pinch, you know, and you're really thirsty, you can always drink your heel.

[Peggy Rowe]

I was thinking you're walking through the woods and you're dehydrated, Just take off your boot and lick your heel and.

[Michael Rowe]

Suck on the wooden part of the heel to get all those good electrolytes from the bourbo that might still be in there. Yeah. Now, interestingly, this fundraiser happened on Halloween four years ago. See how I brought it back to the subject at hand?

[Peggy Rowe]

Yep. Nice segue, Mike.

[Michael Rowe]

Thanks, mom. And this podcast, if I understand correctly from Chuck, is dropping on All Saints Eve, or is it actually on Halloween?

[Chuck]

Halloween. On Halloween. Thursday, October 31st.

[Michael Rowe]

Well, happy Halloween, Mom.

[Peggy Rowe]

You know, since my children have grown, Halloween really doesn't have too much impact on my life. When I was teaching, of course, we observed Halloween, and when you children were at home, we celebrated Halloween. But since then, until we moved into the home, and I'm telling you, these people really celebrate Halloween. Last week, there was a Halloween holiday karaoke party, and everybody dressed up, and, oh, my golly, they were doing the Congo line all around the place and just having the best time.

[Michael Rowe]

And then what were they dressed as? Were they all in costume?

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, yeah, they were in costume. And then on Friday evening, we have jukebox Friday nights sometimes, and that's down in Erickson Hall, a very large venue. And I think hundreds of people come. They were dressed up. There was a contest, and there was dancing, and there was music, and people just love it. And to walk down the hall, well, pumpkins and spiders and witches and chocolate on people's shelves just everywhere. Yeah. People here? Really? No. Well, I haven't met everybody here. No. People dressed up as witches.

[Chuck]

Are you pronouncing that correctly.

[Michael Rowe]

It's a very celebratory home. You know, I mean, they celebrate every possible occasion. And Chuck, have you walked through Oak Crest before?

[Chuck]

No, I have not.

[Michael Rowe]

I mean, there are thousands, right? I mean, there are thousands of people live there and many hundreds apartments, condos, whatever you call them. But outside of every one is a kind of makeshift shrine. Like, there's a little bit of space in the common area that people decorate. They put family photos and they put carvings and little pieces of art. And it's actually, I get lost over there partly because it's an intensely confusing place, but also because you just forget where you're going because you're constantly looking at how people have decorated their little slice of hallway.

[Chuck]

Don't they also put out, I think this came up in previous episodes where they'll put out things that they would like to give away or donate or, you know, they do.

[Michael Rowe]

And tragically, Mom, I think sometimes there's some confusion vis a vis that which is free, which people feel compelled to help themselves up.

[Peggy Rowe]

I know people, if they had extra candy or extra, oh, no tasty cakes or any treats, they'll just put them out on their shelves. But sometimes a friend might say, oh, well, Betty Jane loves these Reese's Peanut butter cups. I'm going to stick a few on her shelf so she can have them. Well, somebody walking down the hall might think that they are for anybody and take her Reese's.

[Michael Rowe]

That was the single greatest score on Halloween for me when I got the Reese's peanut butter cups. Oh, my goodness, that was my favorite thing.

[Peggy Rowe]

You know what? I think they are still my favorite candy. I love those. And Kit Kats and really anything with chocolate nuts.

[Michael Rowe]

I don't remember getting a Kit Kat when I was a kid. Reese's were around. I don't think Kit Kats were.

[Peggy Rowe]

Maybe they were.

[Michael Rowe]

And you said earlier that we. You said we celebrated Halloween. I don't remember it as a celebration so much as a negotiation in your house.

[Peggy Rowe]

You know, it's funny, when our children became of an age where they were interested in trick or treating, your father thought that was the worst. Oh, my goodness, that was the worst tradition. How dare we send our children out to beg for food at other people's. Doorship did not want you to go. Well, you had a friend who lived in a neighborhood nearby. Only had four houses in our neighborhood. They were all elderly. And the children would come back home with an apple Metamucil pencil, an eraser, you know, so I would put them in our Car our station wagon and drive them up to Mike's friend John's house. And he and his mother and our children and I would go. We would follow them as they went trick or treating around the neighborhood. Because they live in a community of. What are those houses?

[Michael Rowe]

Townhouses. It was row homes.

[Peggy Rowe]

Yeah. Two houses.

[Michael Rowe]

Duplexes.

[Peggy Rowe]

Duplexes, yeah. So really, it was easy. And they were close together, so you could fill a shopping bag at no time.

[Michael Rowe]

And we did.

[Chuck]

Well, I lived in Holland Hills with my grandmother, you know, and those were all row homes together. You could fill a pillowcase in just. Just doing both sides of one street. And I remember as a kid, I would wear a costume. Just collect it full, and then I would go and change and put something else on and go back again for seconds. Oh, and hit all the same places.

[Peggy Rowe]

Greedy little kid, you.

[Chuck]

That was me. Yeah.

[Michael Rowe]

I learned. But by the way, this is John Willard we're talking about. Chuck. I just mentioned it because you know him. And it's off Kenwood Avenue down there around Linwood.

[Peggy Rowe]

It was called. The neighborhood was called Lynn over.

[Michael Rowe]

Well, I remember with John, trick or treating. I don't know how old, but I was probably too old at this point. About 28, I guess I was. No, I was probably. Probably 13, you know, which is kind of getting on the cusp of it, I think. You know, it's like, you know, you know the score regarding Santa Claus. You know the score. I mean, this is for kids. And I just wanted the candy.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, you have two little brothers, and you pretended you were doing. Yes. You know, a charitable deed, taking your brothers around. You were like, pimping them on Halloween.

[Chuck]

Jesus.

[Michael Rowe]

Pimping out my little brothers on Halloween for Reese's peanut butter cup. Scott and Phil were with me. John was with me. This neighborhood was so busy, Chuck, that there was a sidewalk, obviously. And then there were these other little sidewalks off the main sidewalk that led right to the steps and right up to people's homes. And so there were so many kids out, there were lines queuing up. And so there was some kind of protocol, like you have to wait on the sidewalk before you walk up the little driveway. And the poor people in the houses, they're just standing there at the door like you're not even ringing the door.

[Chuck]

You don't need to.

[Michael Rowe]

Right.

[Chuck]

Because they're there.

[Michael Rowe]

The whole doors open and they're just there, but they're. You know. And some people are really into it and really sweet. But one of my earliest memories is of a guy standing there with, like, a mixing bowl full of, like, little individually wrapped mini Snickers. I think it was pretty good score. And everybody knew he had them. And the people in front of us were, like, 16 and, I don't know, 15 or 16 years old and didn't appear to be. They made no effort. You know, there was no costume. And they were just like, hold. Holding out the bag. And I remember clear as day, this guy standing there on Alberta Avenue in a wife beater. Hadn't shaved in a couple of days. He's got this mixing bowl under one arm. He's just hairy like a monkey. And I just hear him saying, looking at these kids in front of me going, ah, bullshit. Bullshit. Nothing for you. It's like the soup Nazi.

[Chuck]

It was a different time.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, at least you had your hand on your brother's shoulders, like, you were off.

[Michael Rowe]

I actually did. I was like, come on, guys. It's gonna be fine. You're dressed. Phil was dressed like a hobo. I don't know what Scott was dressed like.

[Peggy Rowe]

He was Dracula. Every year he was Dracula. Had a high black hat and a black cape, and he slung it across the front of him.

[Michael Rowe]

But we got to this old hairy guy in the wife beater, and he, like, looks and goes, yeah, okay, okay. He throws the candy in the bag. Beat it. Next. That was great. Very transactional. Halloween over there.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well. And Jackie and I would follow you all just to make sure you didn't come to any bad end. We tried to stay like a half a block away so nobody would know we were with you, the big guys.

[Michael Rowe]

I don't remember anyone ever coming to our house for Halloween. I'm sure they must have.

[Peggy Rowe]

No, we never did. Never. Never had anybody. Well, Michael, we were at the. At the end of Trump's Mill Road. And they had to go over a bridge, over a rushing Stemmers Run stream, up a stone driveway with no street lights. What kid in their right mind is going to come up there and trick or treat?

[Michael Rowe]

It would have been great because we would have scared the bejesus out of them. We would have hid in the bushes out by the porch. It would have been great. But yeah, you're right. We never had any trick or treaters.

[Peggy Rowe]

I never had to buy candy. On the other hand, people told me, people who lived in neighborhoods like Lenover and. Oh, I have a friend now who lives up in. Up in Loveton, Northern Baltimore County. She said she spent $150 last year on Halloween candy.

[Michael Rowe]

That's crazy.

[Chuck]

150 bucks? Well, yeah, that's going to get you, like a bag and a half these days.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, the funny thing is, when we came home with the loot, guess who was first in line for his share? John, the guy who thought your dad, who thought that was a terrible thing to do. Oh, he was right there picking out his favorite. The favorites, of course, were the chocolate bars.

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[Michael Rowe]

It was one of the first arguments I remember winning with dad. He said to me, I just don't know how you can do it. You just go out there, you knock on a stranger's door, and you. And you literally beg them for food. You know, like, don't you have any self? Don't have any pride? Don't you have any. Have you no shame? I mean, he was really like, my younger brothers didn't care. But I, like, I felt like he was coming at me. And I remember saying, well, dad, technically, you know, we're not begging people for food. We're telling them, you will give us candy or we will vandalize your home.

[Chuck]

We are threatening them.

[Michael Rowe]

That's what I said. It's like, this is a negotiation. It's not, oh, please give us food. I'm like, dad, we're not desperate. This is real simple. You're gonna give us some candy or we're gonna damage your property. Right? And so it's really simple. And he actually kind of wavered. He was like, ah, you know, you make a point. But still, I'm not. I don't feel good about encouraging that either. I'm like, well, you know, whatever.

[Peggy Rowe]

And by the way, past that candy bar over here.

[Michael Rowe]

Yeah, you're gonna eat all that? Dear Chuck, did you have any hopes and dreams for this episode regarding Halloween? I know you said some, like, scary stories or something, but I don't. I don't know if we have any.

[Chuck]

I mean, you know, you invoke John Willard. I know there's a story that. Very scary from. From Antietam.

[Michael Rowe]

It wasn't scary. It was weird. Have we talked about it before on this?

[Chuck]

It's tough to say. 400.

[Michael Rowe]

You don't know this, Peggy.

[Peggy Rowe]

It might come back to me if I hear it. Was it a Boy Scout story?

[Michael Rowe]

Yes. We were there for the weekend. We were camping out. It was very cold one evening. I guess it was a Saturday night. Big campfire. Everybody's around it, singing songs, telling stories and.

[Chuck]

Sorry, just to interrupt for a second. It's on the anniversary of the Battle of Antietam, which is notoriously one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War.

[Michael Rowe]

Truly the bloodiest day. And we had a park ranger there telling us the whole story of it. And there's tales of hauntings. You know, there's a. Battlefields in general all seem to have these stories around them, but the stories around Antietam were pretty. Pretty well known. Anyway, not much happened. We all just kind of turned in and went to bed. And then a few hours later, John Willard was in my tent. And we both lay there. And John said, did you hear that? And I didn't know he was awake. I was, and I did hear it. It was like cannon fire and screaming. And I was surprised to hear John say, did you hear that, Mom? Because, you know, John's deaf in one ear. He doesn't hear much. And I was like, yeah, yeah, wow. I definitely hear that. And it went on for the longest time to the point where it sounded like somebody was playing the soundtrack of a battle. In the distance, you could hear. Not quite distinct, but you could hear voices. You could hear screaming. You could hear what sounded like lots of people and cannon fire and what sounded like rifle fire and musket fire. And it went on. And the next morning, everybody talked about it. Everybody heard it. And I don't know what to make of it, Chuck. And I don't know how far I leaned into it the first time I. I told you about it. John and I were sufficiently freaked out. We were quite sure that what we were hearing was real and not some kind of recording. But of course, it could have been. I Suppose. I mean, it was 19. When was that, Mom? 77, I guess.

[Peggy Rowe]

Michael, what did your leaders say? Or the people, the hosts, who were the guides? Did you talk to them about it?

[Michael Rowe]

No, they weren't there the next morning. They just came by to talk to us around the campfire the night before. Scoutmaster heard it. Assistant Scoutmaster heard it. Most everybody who was there heard it. Some people were badly freaked out. I was intensely curious because I. I could absolutely hear it. But you could stand outside the tent and as. And as far as you could see, just nothing. Just rolling fog and hills and chilly out and. But it was in the air. It was both. It felt close and far away at the same time. Very strange.

[Chuck]

So I remember you telling me this story, and of course, I knew John Willard as well. So I went to John Willard and I. And I said, you know, can you confirm this? And he was like, yeah. And he was a little freaked out by it. He didn't really want to talk about it. But he said, yeah, yeah, that did happen. And I actually went back to that campsite, not with you, but with somebody else on the anniversary, just to see if I could, if it would be replicated. And it was not. But it wasn't until years later that I was listening to, you know, talk radio. Somebody was talking. They had on a specialist in this field, and I just looked it up, and they call it battlefield phenomena or ghostly echoes. And you are not alone in hearing these things that lots of people report this. Echoes of gunfire, spectral voices. Many claim to hear faint voices or cries that seem to belong to soldiers, often described as calling for help or commands being shouted, creating an eerie atmosphere. Historical reenactments. Some sounds may be amplified during reenactments, but they are reports of hearing them even in the absence of events. So it sounds like, you know, like an actual reenactment or an actual battle. But you're not alone.

[Michael Rowe]

Yeah, I think the thing that my first thought was somebody somewhere is really, really having a go. You know, they've got some, like, little tape recorder, and they're holding up maybe a megaphone or something. And so they're just playing it in and out. You know, that's the most logical explanation. But it didn't feel like it, and it didn't sound like it in the moment. Mom, you have anything to add? Sorry, I don't mean to bogart your whole guest appearance here with these stories.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, yes, I am here.

[Michael Rowe]

You are. All of my skepticism in virtually every area has been inherited from you.

[Peggy Rowe]

Yes, I'm sorry, but I am a little skeptical. I think somebody was playing the soundtrack. And you all had just probably heard stories that day from your guide about, you know, the horrible atrocities, the. Yeah. The death, the terror of the battle. Yeah, yeah. And I think maybe that was on your mind, you know, I mean, you were there for the experience, and this is part of the experience. And if they were fooling you with a recording, that's fine. But I don't think sounds from, you know, a couple hundred years ago are really coming back to haunt you at night. I'm sorry, but. Yeah.

[Chuck]

Well, I mean, technically, it only would have been about 110 years ago if it was 1970s, so. Just saying. Closer than you think.

[Peggy Rowe]

Whatever. I mean, people tell me stories, you know, and you don't like to tell them that you believe that they believe it. You don't want to call them a liar because it's not that. We have a couple of relatives who were present for the death of the woman's mother. No, her sister. Okay, so a woman and her daughter were there at the bedside when her sister died. When the mother's sister died. And she said Peggy. And she said her daughter's name. We'll call her Betty again. Betty and I both saw Susan's soul rise up out of her body and just disappear up in the air. If it was just me, I'd have thought it was my imagination. But Betty saw it, too. We both saw it, and it was like a physical thing. Her soul just moved up from her body. Well, when they told me, I said, really? Well, okay. Glad you were there to experience that, or something like that. But I think maybe they saw. They thought they saw that, but maybe they saw it. I don't know. I'm not going to tell them. They were. They were lying. Of course, I would have to see it myself, I think, in order to actually believe it.

[Michael Rowe]

Well, I like to think that along with your skepticism, I inherited, To a point, anyway, your manners. And when somebody tells you a story that requires a suspension of disbelief or a measure of faith, then it's always interesting when skepticism and manners collide, and really you're not, there's not much to do except nod and say, well, that's a great story, or, I'm glad, exactly as you've done. But the thing is, man, there is a huge hunger. And I never appreciated how hungry people were for ghost stories. I know how much I like it. And I know, growing up with my friends, we always shared them. And obviously I'm aware that Halloween is A time when that happens. And yes, I'm aware that many scary movies have been made for as long as movies have been made. No, Sepharah 2. And some of the early, some of the great works early on are rooted in the supernatural and stuff. Dracula, the Frankenstein's wonderful stories and such. But it really wasn't until 20 years ago that we saw the paranormal craze explode on television.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Michael Rowe]

And that has been something to see and that I've been involved in. I narrated ghost hunters for 15 years. I narrated Ghost Hunters International. I narrated something called Ghost Lab. And you know, if you're somewhat skeptical now, I can tell you some stories that would make you utterly skeptical of everything that goes bump in the night that you've ever thought you heard. And that's a relatively new thing for me. But, you know, times change and so do ghost stories.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, my. You hear all kinds of stories. I heard a story here a man told me and he's a really nice fellow, but he really believes that the moon, our moon, was put in place by aliens. And he said, it's the truth and it's documented. I saw it on the History Channel. Gosh, maybe you were the narrator. I don't know. But I mean, I couldn't help smiling a little bit. And he said, I know you probably don't believe it, but it's true, it's documented. And you know what? They were the same aliens that visited the White House because he had read that too and he believes it in his soul. And so I was not going to say, you know, sorry, but I don't believe it.

[Michael Rowe]

I know some people who have been to the moon. Yeah. I have it on first hand authority. It wasn't put there by aliens. It was actually a part of the Earth. And, you know, it was hit many, many, many millions of years ago and spun off. And anyway, there's a fair amount of science to suggest that your friend might be mistaken. But again, manners prohibit me from just piling on.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, sure.

[Michael Rowe]

Plus, he's. What is he, like 120, this man.

[Peggy Rowe]

Who told us he's a little younger than I am, I believe.

[Michael Rowe]

You know, I'll tell you the story that got me growing up and it was really interesting the way it unfolded. I'm going to write about this one day. But it's the place that was on the COVID of the Baltimore sun magazine where I lived for the early part of my life, as you'll recall.

[Peggy Rowe]

Gosh, yeah, yeah, I was. I should write about this. Lilburn, right? It's the house that dad and I moved into when we were married, we had the second floor. It was a big stone mansion built during the Civil War, and there were slave quarters in the back. And it had about six acres. Most of it was wooded. Big tower in the back, castled walls with four stories and turrets at the top. It's on the. What do you call it, Historic registry or something like that.

[Michael Rowe]

Yeah, it's in the historical record. Yeah.

[Peggy Rowe]

Yeah. And so we lived there for three years. You were. You were born there the following year after we moved in and spent the first two years of your life there. And after we left, the house was sold. And they did a whole story about the fact that this place is haunted. And it was in the Baltimore Sun. It was an interesting story, but people had reasons to believe that the place was haunted. And I could poo poo those reasons. So the cows come home. Yeah.

[Michael Rowe]

But, boy, put yourself in my place. I find this. I think it was the Baltimore sun magazine, the magazine that used to come in the newspaper. And Chuck, this house is on the COVID of it. It looks like a castle. And the caption is something like America's most haunted house. Question mark. Something like that. And inside is an account of the current residents who live there and then the people who live there before that. They're both interviewed and they talk about all of these strange occurrences and noises and manifestations and on and on and on. And at one point, one of the people who live there said it seemed to originate from this top story over here in this area. So I'm reading this magazine, which I found in my mom's house. I take it over to my mom, and she's like, oh, yeah, I held onto that. And I said, how come? And she said, because we used to live there.

[Peggy Rowe]

And that was your bedroom. That was the nursery, the room where you slept. And somebody many years ago apparently died in that room, and they think that his spirit is still there because their dog won't go into that room. Our dog slept by your crib every night. I mean, unless spirits come and go. I mean, maybe they just came back. I don't know.

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[Michael Rowe]

Well, I don't know how memories work. I've always been interested in people's first memories because they say that everything that's ever happened to you, even pre birth, is in your brain. And what you're able to recall is in many cases a reflection of where you are in life right now. A shrink told me this once years ago, not that I was seeing him, but just socially.

[Peggy Rowe]

You pay for that information, did you?

[Michael Rowe]

I didn't pay for it, but he did say that, like, if I ask you right now what your earliest memory is, you can probably tell me. And I said, well, if I think about it, yeah. And I went on to describe a memory of. You remember the little grape barber we had in the backyard between the pasture and the house for a while there. I remember one night, the sun had gone down and I was outside and I was kicking a ball, either a basketball or a soccer ball, just around that thing, just running and chasing this ball, running and kicking and chasing. And I remember the sun had gone down and I could smell dinner. You were cooking dinner. And the kitchen window was open, and there was a warm light coming out of that kitchen window, and you were calling me for dinner, and I was still running and kicking this ball. For some reason, I was determined to. To do this a fixed number of times. And the shrink says, well, there you go, that's your earliest memory. Tell me about your life right now. And I went on to describe this constant search for the next job. You know, I was freelancing at the time. And 30 blank squares every single month. And this feeling that I just couldn't catch up, but this knowledge that, you know, I had a safety net, I had some money saved, so I felt pretty good about that. He's like, well, see that, that's what I mean. Your mom. And the open window, you know, that's your safety net, but you're still chasing. You're still chasing this thing round and round and go. You're looking for work, you're chasing a thing, and you're anxious because the sun has gone down. And you think maybe you're running out of time and there's not a lot of certainty in your future. A bunch of shrink stuff, blah, blah, blah. The reason I mention it is because I was probably 6 years old. Why don't I remember anything before I was 6 years old? That's crazy. I have no recollection of living in the Lilburn house on College Avenue in Ellicott City. I couldn't for the life of me remember anything prior to that. Now the shrink says, relax. Later in life, you'll have memories of all sorts of things. And you'll ask yourself, gosh, am I making that up? Am I imagining that? They said probably not, because there are memories within your reach that are simply not at your disposal yet. But that'll change as you get older. What do you think about that?

[Peggy Rowe]

I do have a memory of being in a crib. I slept in a crib, and I know exactly where that crib was in our middle bedroom. And I had nightmares. And I. This one particular night, I could see a green. Maybe a person, I don't know, a green being coming down toward my body from way up high. And I was, what, maybe a cup, maybe two, maybe less. And I screamed, and my mother ran into me and tripped and fell down the steps and broke her toe. Just her toe.

[Michael Rowe]

Oh, geez.

[Peggy Rowe]

Wow. Well, apparently I did this a lot. Screamed at night, and my mother always ran in and, you know, hugged me or whatever, but on this one particular night, she did that. And my aunt either was visiting us at the time, there were always relatives in our house or came to visit afterwards. And she said, you've got to stop that. Waking up at night and screaming for your mother. Do you see what you did? Now your mother has a broken toe and she can't run. And I remember. Oh, my God, the guilt. Maybe I was almost three in a crib too long, probably, but that's my earliest memory. I don't remember, but seeing that pale green thing come down toward me at night just made me scream. I don't think it was Halloween.

[Michael Rowe]

So if this shrink were here, he'd probably say, well, then what's going on in your life right now? That rhymes. Or somehow elevates feelings of fear and guilt. What you got going?

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, there's this man, this man sleeping next to me who gets up like four and five times a Night and goes to the bathroom. Oh, I feel sorry for him, but I'm not scared of him.

[Michael Rowe]

Well, since it's Halloween. God, I hate to ask you to do this, but I need to understand what happened, because this is a scary story for real. Chuck, this one is going to have you right on the edge of your seat, okay?

[Peggy Rowe]

What? I don't have any scary stories.

[Michael Rowe]

Church, a week or so ago. Oh, you didn't go. You stayed home and you zoomed. Do tell.

[Peggy Rowe]

Our church offers a Zoom service on Sundays, and then that service is recorded and put onto the Facebook site. So your father had had a bad night. He had had maybe three hours sleep, and I was determined to let him sleep in the morning. And we just sk. Church. And he did. He slept for a couple of hours longer. And so I put zoom on, Brought the laptop into the bedroom, put it on the bed and just put zoom on. But I disabled the camera so they couldn't see me in my nightgown.

[Michael Rowe]

Church after all.

[Peggy Rowe]

Yes. Well, I can't say all this, but I probably shouldn't say all this. It's kind of personal. Well, anyway, dad has been struggling with a certain medication. It's a thyroid medication, because as you get older, your thyroid doesn't work as well as it once did. So you need a supplement. But that supplement can have side effects. And so let's just say that dad was way too regular. Every day, several times. And so the doctor put him on Metamucil. So getting used to this medication is a matter of balancing the Metamucil and the medication. Well, we finally got it fixed. We thought, okay, so here's Zoom. Church on the bed, dad coming out of the bathroom. And he said, ah, stew again. And I'm afraid I said something very unladylike. It was an explicative or an expletive. Um, it wasn't a nice word.

[Michael Rowe]

I said one syllable.

[Peggy Rowe]

One syllable and began with sh. And I said, oh. And dad said. Exactly a minute later, my phone rang, and it was a friend from church who also had not gone to church because she had Covid.

[Chuck]

I see where this is going.

[Peggy Rowe]

She said, peggy, you forgot to mute your computer. Mute your computer. Oh, my God. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. So I quick muted my computer. I didn't tell Dad. I didn't want to upset him.

[Chuck]

You remembered the camera, but forgot the microphone.

[Peggy Rowe]

But not the microphone. And we had been talking, but I guess this friend decided, well, maybe they couldn't understand everything. I was. You know, it was just Kind of a background noise, but. Oh.

[Michael Rowe]

So they're in the middle of a sermon, a homily or whatever, and dad comes out and says, stew again. And you say, oh, shit. And he says, exactly, exactly. And then they take the offertory and.

[Peggy Rowe]

Then ring a ling. A ling. A ling. Really ruined my day, I'll have you know.

[Michael Rowe]

So were you able to, like, get it out before they posted it on Facebook?

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, yeah. I called this friend back and she called the church secretary and said, you have to kill that recording of the service this Sunday. You got to kill it right now. She killed it, but I'm afraid some people might have been listening before it. You know, I was so embarrassed. And so we went back to church today. We've been once since then, but we went back today. And as I look around, I keep thinking, I wonder which of these people were at home on Zoom that also.

[Michael Rowe]

Stew again.

[Peggy Rowe]

But if they were, they haven't told me. That was nice.

[Michael Rowe]

That's a Halloween story.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, yeah, that was. I'll never do that again.

[Michael Rowe]

Never. More trick, less treat.

[Chuck]

Yeah.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, my gosh, that was just awful.

[Michael Rowe]

Hey, by the way, not to change the subject too abruptly, but I just went to your. I just went to the Amazon page. Do you know you have, like, literally nothing but five star reviews on all of your books? Like, they're 45.

[Peggy Rowe]

Is that unusual?

[Michael Rowe]

Five star reviews? Yes. Yes.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, that's good.

[Michael Rowe]

Nothing but five star reviews for your first one. And your second one, your third one has like four and a half stars because a couple of people just couldn't get their head around the idea of you vacuuming naked. They just. It just broke them. I don't even think they read the book, but they just didn't approve.

[Peggy Rowe]

Or they did read the book and they realized that it was not pornography. They were disappointed.

[Michael Rowe]

Right, right. Too much vacuuming, not enough nakedness.

[Peggy Rowe]

They erased that last star.

[Michael Rowe]

And your Latest currently has 69 reviews. They're all five star.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, that's nice to hear. It's getting some five star reviews here at the home. Also, it's funny, there are a lot of stories in the book about people who live here at the home. Our neighbors, other residents. Gosh, they had the best stories. I just couldn't not write them. Some are humorous, some are not. But then there are a lot of vignettes throughout the book where I've changed the people's names and people are coming up to me and saying, peggy, am I on page 65 of your book? Because I have to tell you that sounds a lot like.

[Michael Rowe]

Oh, that's hysterical. How many pseudonyms did you use versus real people?

[Peggy Rowe]

You know what? My editor said that I should make a chart so that I know just who is who of the names I've changed. So I did make the chart. I don't have it with me, but. Oh, my goodness, maybe eight. But then maybe five stories, five chapters about real people. Yeah, I'll tell you, there are stories everywhere. I came across a woman the other day and I noticed her because her name was Peggy. And there aren't that many peggies here. I think there might just be three of us. And I said, oh, look at this. And I held up my lanyard. I said, my name is Peggy, too. And she said, but my last name. Did you see? Her last name is Lucky. L, U, C, K, Y. And I said, wow, that's quite a name. I said, well, tell me something. Do you feel like you were lucky growing up? You were a lucky person because Lucky was her maiden name. Peggy Lucky. I won't tell you her last name now. She said, well, let me tell you this story. I did sit down and take notes. She was either 8 or 10. She said, My family went to the carnival. Well, it was during the Depression, and we didn't have any money. And this was such a treat for us. We didn't have a car. We couldn't even afford a car. Well, at this carnival, they were raffling off a car. And so her father had enough money to buy a raffle ticket. So it was time for the raffle. And the guy's up front holding this big bowl or basket or whatever. And he said, well, look, there's a little girl in the audience. Honey, would you like to come up here and pick a number? So Peggy said, well, I walked up on that stage and I pulled up my sleeve and I put my hand in. Guess whose number I picked? She said, I picked my father's number. People found out. Everybody booed. She said, they booed us and booed. They thought it was fixed, but it wasn't fixed. Well, she said that they enjoyed that car. They took a vacation. They had never been on a vacation. They were poor. They took a trip up to Pennsylvania.

[Michael Rowe]

Did you just laugh when you said they were poor? That's so wrong.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, well, they were poor.

[Michael Rowe]

That's better.

[Chuck]

Oh, better, Much better.

[Peggy Rowe]

They were very poor. Well, she said, it just changed our lives. And yes, I was lucky. She said, I thought that was a good story.

[Michael Rowe]

That's a great story.

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[Chuck]

Did anyone at the home. Was anyone upset with how they were portrayed in the book?

[Peggy Rowe]

If they were, they haven't told me yet. But Chuck, you know me, I'm a positive person and my stories were pretty positive. There's some sad things in the book, but those people gave me, you know, I interviewed them, they told me their story. They. And without exception, I went to each of these people in my book who have a whole chapter in there, and I read them my story word for word. And when I finished, I said, is there anything you would like for me to change? Anything you're uncomfortable with? Anything that's inaccurate? Only one person, I had come to her apartment and only one person said, well, you talk about my place as being disheveled. Could we cut that out? And I said, well, that's fair enough. Sure, I don't have to say that.

[Michael Rowe]

Is that the chapter called the Hoarder?

[Peggy Rowe]

No, I didn't leave the word cluttered in. I worked in clutter. But no, she's not a hoarder. But there's a story about a man who lives here. He is amazing. When he was a child. Oh, I just dropped my ear thing. Should I pick it up?

[Michael Rowe]

Is it an earring or is it.

[Chuck]

Can you hear us?

[Peggy Rowe]

I can hear.

[Chuck]

Do you still have one in your ear? Well, is that enough for.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, I don't see.

[Michael Rowe]

She'll be back in a second. If you're just joining us, we're mid podcast and my mom's ear buds have fallen out of her Ear.

[Chuck]

Only one of them.

[Michael Rowe]

Only one.

[Chuck]

This would be a good time to talk about this book.

[Michael Rowe]

There it is, right there. Oh, no, not the home. People are absolutely loving it. It's available at Amazon and pretty much everywhere you buy books right now. My mom's having a great time. She just did a signing over there in the home. People came from all over the place. You know, again, right now she's not writing her book or talking about her book. She's looking for an air Bud that just fell out of her ear and possibly down her shirt. Mom, is it down your shirt?

[Chuck]

I heard it hit the floor.

[Peggy Rowe]

Did you?

[Michael Rowe]

It still could have gone all the way through.

[Chuck]

I mean, really, Peg, if you can still hear us, maybe we just. Yeah, then why don't we just let it go and you can find it afterwards and that's okay.

[Michael Rowe]

Kind of soldier on with just one. Yeah.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, anyway, this man, when he was a child, without missing a beat.

[Chuck]

Love it.

[Peggy Rowe]

Lived in Lithuania with his parents and three siblings. Well, they were. His family was banished to Siberia and he spent part of his childhood in Siberia. He has such wonderful stories about his life in Siberia. It was. I should look sad when I say this. It was horrible. It really was a nightmare. And was responsible for his parents early death. And he, of course, has never forgotten these stories. And he told them to me, and it's just wonderful. People are loving it. That's one of the stories where it was kind of hard to find the humor. There wasn't much humor. There was some irony, but there wasn't much humor. Oh, God, there's so many stories. People are stopping to tell me that they love the book. I love to walk through the lobby and see people reading my book or walk past the. The dining room and people sitting at the bar having a drink and reading my. It's. Yeah, it's a high.

[Michael Rowe]

I'm going to say two things in response to what I've just heard. First of all, you mentioned the carnival. Peggy Lucky goes to the carnival, pulls the winning number, and it happens to be her dad, who's the guy holding the bowl, essentially. So the whole thing looks rigged.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, wait a minute. No, no. Her father was in the audience. He wasn't in charge of the. No, there was the people.

[Michael Rowe]

That's not as bad then.

[Chuck]

It is still pretty bad.

[Michael Rowe]

It's still pretty sus. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, that's not in my book. Maybe in my next book. Yeah, but I just heard that story.

[Chuck]

Peggy gets lucky.

[Michael Rowe]

Well, we got lucky, too, as kids because my mom's dad, Carl Noble, was really the state inspector. You know, he was an electrician, an electrical contractor, and he wound up working for the state. And among his duties was inspecting the rides on carnival midways. So, yeah, we'd have these carnivals that would come to the neighborhood, some really close, like the Lions Club would sponsor one, you know, over at Fullerton Park. But he was also responsible for inspecting the midway at the state fair. You know, the Timonium State fair was a big deal. You know, there's a big midway, and the amusement guy at the time was called Degler. I never really thought much about it, but if they're not happy, the midway gets closed. Like, my grandfather had a lot of power. And of course, he was utterly scrupulous and beyond. Beyond. I mean, it was truly an uncorruptible man, you know, but situation like that wouldn't be uncommon for somebody to slip an inspector little something under the table to look the other way around, you know, some rides that maybe weren't up to code and so forth. Nothing like that ever happened. But all of the guys in charge of the midway knew that he was in a position of power, and they gave him bags not filled with money, but free passes. And so when we went to the state fair, we would get, like, these books for free rides. And, you know, looking back, I realized we didn't. We didn't grow with money or anything like that. But, boy, I felt rich on the carnival midway, thanks to your dad. And just that was the first time I ever felt like, wow, you know what? I'm gonna get a good table. I'm gonna get, you know, somebody somewhere is gonna do something nice. I just couldn't believe I had this inside track.

[Peggy Rowe]

Well, I'll tell you about the irony of it. The irony is that they had these fabulous rides. And, yeah, we had a book with ride tickets. They didn't like the rides. They didn't like the Ferris wheel. They didn't like the merry go round. They didn't like the wilt. Twirl, tilt a twirl, tilt a whirl. The only thing you liked. Do you remember?

[Michael Rowe]

I know, I like the bumper cars.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, my gosh, the bumper cars. Well, it got to the point where the guy in charge of the bumper cars would say, you just got off. You give. Somebody else has to have a turn.

[Michael Rowe]

Beat it. Do you remember a thing called. They called it the Roundup, but before that it was called the Hellhole.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, you just stand up and you're locked in, and then you go, oh, yes.

[Michael Rowe]

That was one of the first things I got on with that free ride. And you're up against the wall and you're spinning, and you spin faster and faster and faster and you're in a cage and then the cage falls away and you're just pinned to the wall. And then the whole thing, rather than spinning around like a merry go round, it tilts up on its side like 90 degrees. So now you're inside of like. Imagine being in a tire that's just rolling down a hill, pinned to the inside of the tire. That's what this thing is. It's a torture device. And the first time I got on, somebody threw up. Don't know who, didn't matter. But when you throw, everybody got in. Centrifugal force, it just. It hovers in midair and everybody else just gets dragged through it, you know, very, very quickly. Everybody's crawling off the ride covered in somebody else's puke, and half of them are throwing up because they're so disgusted with it. And it just turned into a vomitorium. So, yeah, bumper cars. Much safer way to go.

[Peggy Rowe]

Yeah, it was. It was fun.

[Michael Rowe]

I also got one last thing I wanted to tell you. Do you remember my old girlfriend Katie? Yeah, talk about lucky. When we broke up, boy, she dodged a bullet, huh?

[Peggy Rowe]

She was.

[Michael Rowe]

Yes, she did talk about luck. Yeah, she did talk about luck. She wanted to move to LA to become a model and an actress. And I just remember saying, Kate, you know, I mean, you're beautiful, but the odds of you even getting an agent, it's so tough. And there's so many beautiful women and you're so smart, you do all these other things. Why do you even want to bother? And she was like, this is what I want to do, and I think I'm going to do it. So anyway, go sell your stupid houses on your dumb real estate show down there in Baltimore. I'm going to go to LA and get famous. And I just thought, well, that's, you know, whatever. She's out there for 24 hours and her favorite game show in the world is the Price Is Right. So the first thing she does is she goes to CBS Studios to get tickets to sit in the audience of the Price Is Right. And she gets in. There are a thousand people. They got room for maybe 100, 150. She gets in and she's sitting there and I think in the second round, Katie, come on down. And she goes down and she plays the game. I forget what it was, but she wins. And she wins to the point where she's got enough to get called back for the Showcase Showdown. She's been in LA 24 hours, and she's on her favorite game show winning. And then she gets in the Showcase Showdown, and she not only wins, she wins both of them. Her guess is within $100, she wins, like, two cars, hot tubs, skis. I mean, like, it's all of this stuff. And I remember just talking to her later that week. She called. I just want to let you know, I got out here okay. I'm like, well, how's it going? She was pretty great. Got on the prices, right? Won both showcases, and then she signed with an agent a week or two later and started showing up in catalogs.

[Peggy Rowe]

Anyway, and that's what she's doing. Is she still working? I guess not a lot of work for models in their 60s.

[Michael Rowe]

Well, she's not that old. She was a bit younger than me. But interestingly, she got hooked up with a guy named Daigler, and she works now on a carnival midway on the hellhole. And she lies, basically. Yeah, she just brushes the vomit off of strangers now every day. Day. But she says it's rewarding and. And good fun.

[Peggy Rowe]

She was a beautiful woman.

[Michael Rowe]

She still is. Well, here we are. Look at that. Been talking for an hour.

[Peggy Rowe]

Oh, have we really? Yeah, I think we have. I hope we said something fairly interesting.

[Michael Rowe]

Oh, I know I did.

[Peggy Rowe]

What do you think? Oh, no, I think there's a lot to get rid of.

[Michael Rowe]

Stew again. I don't think anybody's not getting rid of that stew again, especially on Halloween. Oh, is that a Reese's peanut butter cup? No, we made you some stew. Take it home. Enjoy it.

[Chuck]

No, too far.

[Michael Rowe]

Too Boko. Mom, I love you. Congratulations on your book. Everybody loves it. People can pick up [e-mail] momsbook her previous books are available there as well. Easy to get at Amazon, too, or wherever you get your books. You'll laugh, you'll cry, and you might even go ahead and sign up to live in a retirement community 10, 20 years before you're planning on it. It's that much fun.

[Peggy Rowe]

All right, honey. All right. This has been fun.

[Michael Rowe]

All right.

[Peggy Rowe]

See you guys. Take care.

[Michael Rowe]

I'm gonna go get a bowl of beef stew, and I'll talk to you guys next week. There's no podcast without a sponsor. Thank them for paying the. Please don't fast forward through their commercial, even the ones you hate.

[Chuck]

Hey, everybody, thanks again so much for listening to this podcast and especially for patronizing the sponsors who make this podcast possible. Sponsors like ZipRecruiter, American Giant, Groundworks, Pure Talk, Field of Greens, Three Day Blinds, Better Death Solutions, Noble Tennessee Whiskey oh no, not the Home by Peggy Rowe, Land's End, Constant Wonder and Ship Station.

[Michael Rowe]

We couldn't do it without him.

[Chuck]

See you next week.

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