Podcast Summary: The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

Episode 452: Peyton McNabb—Enough of This Crap!
Date: September 30, 2025
Guest: Peyton McNabb

Overview

This episode centers on Peyton McNabb, a former high school athlete who suffered a life-altering injury during a girls’ volleyball game when a transgender female athlete (biologically male) spiked a ball, causing Peyton to lose consciousness, suffer a brain bleed, and develop permanent whiplash. Host Mike Rowe and his team facilitate a candid conversation about the women’s sports fairness debate, Peyton’s personal journey from injury to activism, and the broader cultural and political context. The episode is both personal and policy-oriented, carrying a tone of frustration, bewilderment, and resolve.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Framing the Debate & Mike’s Frustration

• Frustration with Language and Dialogue
  • Mike Rowe and his co-host express exasperation over the reluctance to discuss the issue directly, emphasizing how even language has become tiptoed and euphemistic (“biological male” instead of “male”).
    • “We've all been so weird, like almost we were under a spell, you know, to the point where we couldn't say male and female anymore.” (A, 02:41)
• Observing the ‘Madness of Crowds’
  • Mike reflects on the societal inertia and moments of acquiescence in letting boys and men play in women’s sports (01:03–02:13).
  • “There is no sensible reason why boys and men should be allowed to compete with girls and women. Period. Hard stop.” (C & A, 04:25–04:37)

2. Peyton’s Background & Injury

• Small-Town Roots and Community Support
  • Peyton is from Murphy, North Carolina—a close-knit, rural community that rallied during crisis (08:11–09:17).
• Detailing the Incident (11:19–17:57)
  • Peyton, a multi-sport athlete, was spiked in the face by a transgender female player from Highlands High School.
  • She was knocked unconscious, suffered a brain bleed and permanent whiplash, and was never cleared to play contact sports again.
• Aftermath and Medical Reaction
  • Peyton describes the inadequate concussion protocol (wearing sunglasses, being told to sleep), eventually getting proper diagnosis from a neurologist (16:38–17:13).
  • “...my body was just like always out of line and my neck would get stiff...I had to go to the chiropractor weekly for like a couple years.” (E, 17:16)

3. Emotional and Social Impact

• Personal Loss and School Environment
  • Peyton’s athletic dreams were derailed; she had to give up plans for college softball (17:57–19:16).
  • Her community was supportive, but the small-town setting intensified the experience (“My graduating class was 30.” E, 18:34)
• Teammates’ Trauma
  • The team was stunned and fearful; a freshman had to replace Peyton during the game, visibly shaken (15:53–16:38).
• No Apology from Opponent
  • The opposing player never apologized; instead, they later messaged Peyton dismissively (21:42).

4. From Trauma to Activism

• Finding Her Voice

  • Peyton's advocacy began after encouragement and reflection, motivated by her concern for her younger sister and other girls (26:20–27:53).
  • She initially didn’t want to go public (“The only class I ever failed was public speaking.” E, 27:00), but recognized the importance of sharing her story.

• Working with the Independent Women’s Forum (IWF)

  • Peyton is now an ambassador for the IWF, contributing to policy work and awareness campaigns for women’s sports and safety (44:20–45:20).
  • She acknowledges Riley Gaines as an inspiration and close friend in the fight (58:02–58:57).

5. Legal and Political Context

• State and National Legislation
  • Peyton and others have testified for women’s sports bills in multiple states; she discusses the President’s executive order, its limits, and the need for state-level action (31:03–33:00).
• Recent Political Testimony
  • Describes a contentious hearing on USA fencing, where she and fencing athlete Stephanie Turner were only questioned by Republicans (36:24–39:13).
    • “The Democrats didn’t even ask us one question. ... Then as soon as the cameras weren’t rolling, they came up to us and thanked us for being there and apologized.” (E, 36:24–38:52)

6. Pushback, Risk, and Support

• Harassment in College
  • Peyton recounts being ostracized and threatened after confronting a biological male in the women’s bathroom at Western Carolina; she was expelled from her sorority, faced a school trial (which she won), and had to relocate for her own safety (47:19–53:05).
• Advice to Other Young Women
  • Peyton encourages girls to be unafraid and to defend reality:
    • “They don't owe silence to anyone standing up for themselves and for common sense…” (E, 41:39)
• Parental and Community Support
  • Peyton credits her close-knit family and community for unwavering backing—her father was her principal and supported her decisions throughout (42:21–44:05).

7. Cultural and Broader Reflections

• Host Perspective on the Broader Debate
  • Mike and Chuck lament the social confusion, celebrate parents taking action (e.g., refusing to play teams with male athletes), and highlight the tension of sympathy for trans individuals versus fairness and safety concerns (55:14–57:25).

8. Personal Growth and Next Steps

• Looking Ahead
  • Peyton remains uncertain about her future path but has found strength through her advocacy and support network (59:09–61:08).
  • She’s considering returning to college elsewhere, and jokes about becoming a cruise director—a nod to her love for the water and people skills (61:09–62:20).
• Concluding Thoughts
  • Peyton expresses gratitude for the chance to tell her story, and hopes to continue helping other girls and advocating for fairness in women’s sports (63:34–64:01).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Language:
  • “We started to say a biological male. What in the world? How do we get this behind us once and for all? I hope conversations like this will help.” (Mike Rowe, 02:41)
• On the Impact:
  • “...my team is, like, traumatized about what just happened. ...The trainer wakes me up. He asked me what just happened to me, and I said, well, the boy on y’alls team just knocked me out.” (Peyton, 15:00–15:16)
• On Advocacy:
  • “I never want to be seen as playing a victim ... But then I had to realize, like, this thing did happen. ... If I shared my story, at least it could help one other girl and that would be good enough for me.” (E, 27:08–27:51)
• On Pushback:
  • “People were trying to find where I lived at school. I had to get monitored by the campus police until I moved home early... The school didn’t feel comfortable with my safety there either.” (E, 51:27–51:56)
• On Empathy:
  • “I don't care what people do with their own life. ...But when it crosses over into me having to act like it’s okay for them to feel better... that’s not okay.” (E, 55:54–57:25)
• On Support:
  • “My dad was actually my principal... He still feels the guilt from it, which there's nothing he could have done, because it was legal at the time.” (E, 42:21)
• On Legacy:
  • “Tell your story. Tell your story.” (Mike Rowe, 63:51)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Main Debate Frame (00:03–04:45): Mike and Chuck’s frustration, intro to topic
• Peyton’s Background & Injury Story (11:19–19:16): Peyton details the game, the injury, and diagnosis
• Team & Community Reaction (15:53–19:16): Emotional aftermath and changes in the town
• Advocacy & Legal Testimony (27:08–33:00): Why Peyton spoke out, work with IWF, and activism
• Pushback in College (47:19–53:05): Sorority expulsion, school threats, trial
• Advice to Others (41:39): Peyton on encouraging other girls not to be silent
• Political Panel Experience (36:24–39:13): Partisan differences in hearing
• Vision for Future (59:09–62:20): Peyton’s path, aspirations, and light-hearted cruise director conversation

Additional Resources

• Independent Women’s Forum: iwf.org — For resources, policy updates, and the ‘Killshot’ documentary (referenced at 65:29).
• Peyton McNabb: Now serves as IWF ambassador, public speaker on sports fairness.

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