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Sandwiches, Sauces, and Snatching: Celebrity Facialist Iván Pol on Creating The Beauty Sandwich, and How to Get a Sculpted Face at Home
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Kat Collings
Welcome to the who what Wear podcast, your direct line to the designers, stylists, beauty experts, editors and taste makers who are shaping the ever evolving world of fashion. I'm who what where? Editor in chief Kat Collings and Today Associate Beauty editor Caitlin McClintock is sitting down with celebrity facialist and founder of the Beauty sandwich, Yvonne Proul. Yvonne is one of the most influential and innovative voices in the skincare industry right now. His signature sandwich method combines high frequency technology with his own line of skincare products. He calls them his secret sauces to tighten, lift and brighten the skin. Yvonne is responsible for many of the faces you see on red carpets, from Emma Stone in Salma Hayek to Anna Sawai at the Emmys last month. This was such a fascinating episode. We talked about his training with the famous dermatologist, but what you can expect from a radio frequency treatment and how he works with celebrities like Sabrina Carpenter to make their skin stage ready. It's all coming up on who, what, where.
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Yvonne Proul
Okay, so let's get to it. You're an incredibly sought after facialist. You have an incredibly long wait list. I know, I've checked. Your clients include the likes of Kim Kardashian, Emma Stone, Victoria Beckham. I know you actually got your start in makeup, which I find so interesting. So can you tell me a little bit about what drew you to the beauty space in general and why you ultimately decided to focus on skincare after being in makeup?
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Caitlin McClintock
So I was a beauty obsessed child. You know, I went to school for theater and I thought that that's what I was going to pursue. But I fell in love with makeup and, like, my dream was to move to Manhattan and work in high fashion. I moved to New York City at first. I started out on the beauty counters, and I worked for Trish McAvoy and Laura Mercier, and I was what they called a national or global makeup artist, where you would travel globally or throughout the United States, and you would visit different makeup counters and you would apply whatever the season's hot thing was. And then I meet Bobby Brown. And then Bobby kind of taught me how I can enhance someone's beauty with. Without completely transforming them. Right? Like, let's enhance it, elevate the beauty that's there. You know, I work in high fashion. I'm doing, you know, all my New York fashion weeks, and I would always spend way too much time on the skincare. I was that makeup artist that was all about, like, glowing skin. So I moved back to my hometown of South Florida, and I start working with Orbe, and I kind of, like, fell out of love with makeup artistry. So I decided to pivot. And at that time, I meet Jennifer Lopez. I get booked to do her makeup, and she walks in with this incredible, gorgeous skin. I asked her, I said, oh, my God, you have the most beautiful skin. Like, how do you achieve this? And she tells me, I get a facial before I get my makeup done. And there it was. I saw my whole life kind of flash before my eyes, and I said, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to create the ultimate red carpet facial. I mean, it was so clear. I decided to go back to school. I get my esthetician license, and that's where kind of the birth of the idea of the beauty sandwich happens. The two worlds started to unite there, right? Because I was on the glam side before, and I could appreciate the beauty of her skin. And I was like, wow, if I had this sort of tool, there's something here incredible.
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Yvonne Proul
Well, you were ahead of your time, though, because, you know, I think even in the early days, mid 2000s, Skin Prep wasn't really the focus. It was purely makeup. And I think now every makeup artist I talk to, the focus is on skin prep first, because, like you said, it will elevate the effect of the makeup. So, you know, it's one thing to decide you want to go into skincare, it's another thing to do it. So you started working with Dr. Martin Zayak. So what exactly was your role there? How did you land it? And what were you Learning at the time from Dr. Marty because that's such an amazing mentor tour to learn skin care from.
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Caitlin McClintock
If you want to become a dermatologist in South Florida, you do your residency at Dr. Marty's office at Greater Miami Skin and Laser, where I was so fortunate to work for 11 years. And, you know, no one's ever asked me how I landed the role. So I was working at Orbe and one of my clients that I would do makeup for, she was a nurse that Greater Miami Skin and Laser. And she's like, well, you know, there's actually an opportunity at the office that I work at, and I think you would be great. So I have an interview set up with Dr. Marty the following week. I go to a beauty convention. I go up to the rep of the device and I said, oh, I'm just graduating esthetician school. And what's this device? It looks so cool. What are these little wands? She's like, well, why don't you meet the doctor whose devices is. She said, this is Dr. Marty. Dr. Marty, I have an interview with you on Monday.
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Yvonne Proul
That's kismet.
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Caitlin McClintock
So I started there as an esthetician, but with a retail background that I had, I decided to revolutionize Dr. Marty's skin care department. And I really started to sell skincare. I know what women at a beauty counter want now. What are women looking for at a dermatology practice? So what was bothering people were, I don't have this lift. I want to feel lifted, but I still want to look like myself. So within the year, I became Dr. Marty's aesthetic director of the practice. And then I grew the practice to be top 5% in the nation for allergan. So, you know, we were such a good team because he was the doctor, but I had the artistry part. And then he taught me the science. If it wasn't for his support, I would have never had the confidence to then develop the beauty sandwich. He really said to me, here are all the devices. I'm going to teach you how to use them all. And that's how the beauty sandwich was born. I was the first person to say, okay, let's start to combine these modalities together. You know, it was a time when you would only do one thing. So you would go in and you would do like a fraxel. All of this had so much downtime. So that's where I saw that that there was really a need for a truly non invasive procedure. And that's why I decided to go with radio frequency as Opposed to laser.
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Yvonne Proul
Okay, well, that's a perfect segue because I want to know all things. Beauty sandwich. So you developed your signature facial, which is now widely known as the beauty sandwich. Can you tell me a little bit about how you actually put it together?
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Caitlin McClintock
So I start this idea of sandwiching treatments together and kind of turning down the devices. You would generally go to do a treatment and, you know, they were kind of pumped up. I was the opposite. I'm like, let me start at the lowest setting and let me start combining these treatments together. So that's how the idea of a sandwich came to be, this idea of combining modalities. I didn't invent the technology. The technology was there. I revolutionized the way that radio frequency was being used. So I'm using these devices like a highlighter, like a contour stick, to create this. Now, what we know as a snatched face, then I had Dr. Marty with me saying, yeah, that scientifically makes sense.
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Yvonne Proul
So can you tell me a bit about what this process entails? And if someone is coming to you, what should they expect? What's the consultation process? Tell me everything.
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Caitlin McClintock
So there is a recipe. Right. But what is really specialized? I'm designing someone's face. So when I look at someone's face, the number one question I ask them is what bothers them? Every treatment sort of starts with that intention. I'm just kind of taking the beauty that I see and I am elevating. It's about elevation, not augmentation. Right. Because there's something very powerful about receiving a treatment like mine. And when you're done looking in the mirror and it's still you. So that's what the beauty sandwich is. It's enhancing that V shape that resides within each and every one of us and pumping that up and really custom designing a face so that when the light hits you, you look more beautiful and you're going to feel better. That's the most important thing. Beauty is a very powerful tool that we can use to uplift oneself.
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Yvonne Proul
I love that. So I want to speak to that tailored kind of customization aspect again, because I'm so intrigued by this. What kind of things would you be changing from person to person? What's the difference in, say, treating Kim Kardashian versus Emma Stone?
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Caitlin McClintock
It is about the style that one wants to wear their face. You know, I'm using the three same technologies, but the recipe is what changes. That's what's so custom tailored. So those two actresses that you named are very different skin types, and they have very different styles. So why wouldn't they have that sort of style with the way that they want to look face wise? So I'm able to do that. You know, it was really cool. I got to work with Louis Vuitton. One of their ambassadors is Hu Yen. You know, I worked with her first for like a red carpet and then I got to work with her as she opened the Louis Vuitton show. And that was really cool because for red carpet she wanted to look a little bit more romantic, ethereal, soft. But then when she opened the Louis Vuitton show, she wanted to be very sharp, really snatched more severe. Right. Because this is now high fashion, different lighting. And we custom tailored the treatments so that she would have a little bit of a different effect. So that was really cool. But the one thing that's synonymous of all of these treatments, whether it's a Kim Kardashian or an Emma Stone, you know, is the way that they feel, the confidence that the beauty sandwich gives them. That's priceless.
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Yvonne Proul
I love that. It's ultimately a tool for confidence.
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Caitlin McClintock
Yes. Being snatched is the ultimate confidence booster.
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Yvonne Proul
Oh, absolutely. For anyone who might be unfamiliar with radio frequency. What is radio frequency? What are the benefits and why is it so effective, especially when layered with other modalities like it is in the beauty sandwich facial.
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Caitlin McClintock
So radio frequency is using energy, right? Using heat disperse into the skin. Mine is in the dermis, right? So that is the living part of the skin. That's where the collagen, the elastin, the connective tissue, everything that creates structure for the skin. So radio frequency stimulates collagen and elastin. Elastin is what gives our skin that bounce, plumpness. And then collagen creates that tightness and that firmness that as we age, our collagen levels start to decrease. Right. So if you start early enough, you can kind of maintain, in my opinion, this sort of bouncy, glowy, delicious skin. So I always recommend that people do things in a gentle way. This is about the long haul.
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Yvonne Proul
Every dermatologist I've ever spoken to will say that it's better to use less than more. Right. So if you're using too harsh of a product, it can actually do the opposite of what you set out to do, Right. It can cause irritation, inflammation, redness, all of that. For anyone who's never had radio frequency before, can you explain what they can expect in terms of like, sensation, pain level, anything like that?
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Caitlin McClintock
So when you think about radio frequency, think about a hot tub, right? What happens when you first get into a hot tub. It feels hot, right? That heat level kind of stays consistent. It should never feel super hot. If you feel that you're getting burned, you probably are. For me, I always want my patient to be very comfortable because I almost want them in a sort of meditative state because I feel like when you're more relaxed, you can receive.
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Yvonne Proul
You've also introduced the wedding cake. So that is a four day facial with each treatment lasting 30 to 45 minutes over four days. So can you explain to me why four days? And can you break down the results and kind of step by step of what you could expect from each day of the treatment?
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Caitlin McClintock
So the wedding cake was born from a client of mine. Her name is Dasha Zukova and she was getting married and it was going to be four days of events. She's like, I need you for four days. I need to look snatched every single day. So I went back and I decided to deconstruct the sandwich and really focus on each of these technologies, like the results that they give. You're getting more tightening, right? So you're doing like one full day of tightening, then you're doing another full day of lifting. There's like one day that I just do the neck. So it's really about focusing in on the tightening, the lifting, the neck and the decollete. And that's how also other areas started to come into play, like arms. And then that way you have the culmination on day four. You're kind of bringing it all together. And it's now become the most sought after treatment of mine. When a client of mine does a campaign. For example, one of my clients, Adria Arjona, the face of Armani, three years ago, she shot the campaign for My Way, which was the fragrance. And it was going to be the first ever unretouched fragrance campaign. She calls me up, she's like, oh my God, what am I going to do? I'm like, don't worry, we're going to do the wedding cake. And she spoke to Elle magazine about this and how she felt so confident. Think of it as like a face tune tool where you're really going in and like detailing. And I really have the time over four days to really focus in on features, to really enhance them and make them the most snatched possible.
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Yvonne Proul
So would you say the wedding cake results are more instantaneous or do they also develop and get better over time, like the original beauty sandwich facial?
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Caitlin McClintock
Yeah, so it's the most long lasting. So I have one of my clients that is here from Saudi. And she does the wedding cake every time she comes into town. And it lasts the whole year, she says, getting those like, four or five treatments back to back or three treatments.
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Yvonne Proul
Incredible. So how often can you get the original beauty sandwich facial? Is there kind of a recommended amount?
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Caitlin McClintock
In a perfect world, you would see me every 30 to 60 days. That's why it's so hard to get an appointment, you know, because, again, I'm about the long game and I'm very loyal.
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Yvonne Proul
Right. Well, you heard it here first. That's why it's so hard to book. But you know what? I will weasel my way into there at some point.
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Caitlin McClintock
You will.
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Yvonne Proul
I promise you that. So you also worked with Anna Sawai leading up to the Emmys. She looked incredible. I love her. I'm wondering if you're at liberty to say, could you share a little bit about what that process with her was like. Give me all the details.
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Caitlin McClintock
So, you know, she made history that day. First ever woman of Asian descent to win lead actress. That day was actually one of the most special red carpet moments for me. It was a treatment that was for her and her mom. And, you know, Anna has incredibly beautiful skin. She's an incredibly beautiful woman. So, you know, I was tasked with how do I make her look just effortless? I just wanted her to radiate. You know, I worked with, we love cocoa with Chanel Beauty. With that, we used, you know, the combination of my sauces with, you know, the power of the red camellia, which enhances and boosts radiance. And if you notice, she's very radiant. So with her, it's a completely custom tailored treatment. We talked about the dress that she was going to wear, the way her hair is, what kind of glam she was going to do, and. And what I could do to kind of elevate her beauty. And that's what I do with all of my clients. But it was one of the most beautiful moments to really see her connect with her mom. It was so emotional.
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Yvonne Proul
I love that. You also worked with Sabrina Carpenter ahead of the VMAs. So what was your process leading up to that and how did you prepare her skin? Because I know when they're performing, the makeup is normally heavier, bolder, maybe more layered. So did you have to customize any feature of that to make her makeup, you know, lay really nice, look flawless for stage?
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Caitlin McClintock
Yeah. So, you know, that was a thing that when I started, so many makeup artists were very hesitant to recommend me. Right. Because traditionally, in a facial, there's a lot of stuff that gets used. There's a lot of masks, there's a lot of creams. And, you know, and then what happens is they do this treatment, and then they go to put makeup on, and then makeup is pilling, rolling, it's breaking up the concealer. That's why I created my sauces, because I wanted your skin to fully devour the skincare so that when your skin can truly digest, makeup can then lay on perfectly, and it's not going to disrupt the makeup. So with Sabrina, it was all about my sauces. You know, she's been a client of mine now for close to four years. We met pre Pandemic, and it's been so incredible to watch her career blossom. I mean, I always knew she was, like, incredibly talented, but with the VMAs, it was a performance. Carolina Gonzalez, her makeup artist, you know, we've worked together now for several years, and I just wanted to tee it up for her because she is so incredibly talented and has such a specific look for Sabrina. With Sabrina, it's all about that very plump skin, very fresh, very dewy. So in my arsenal, I'm using the cure facial mask before, kind of like bringing down inflammation because you want to bring down, like, all that redness and all of that. But it's really about the manipulation of these sauces to create an effect on the skin that lasts, right? That no matter on the red carpet, on the stage, it's going to pick up light. Everyone talks about this glass skin, but if you get a glass skin facial right before getting your makeup done, you're a little almost too shiny. Shine picks up your flaws, and you want to do the opposite. So when thinking of a sauce, you want to have skin like fine china. You want to be like a beautiful porcelain plate. It picks up the light, but it looks perfect, right? And that's what I want to create with skin. I want skin like pine china. So with her, it's really about using my lifting snatching sauce to create that shapewear for your face that holds. So my SSO2 has this active hazelnut oil, and hazelnut oil creates almost like an invisible shapewear on your face. So if you notice her, she is tight. It almost looks like she has, like, an invisible pantyhose on her face. You know, before I had my sauces, I couldn't manipulate skin like that. Traditionally, you can only do that with kind of like with makeup, right? It's not going to take away from the makeup. It's only going to make the Makeup look better, right? Because it's about all of these things that last. I wanted to create sauces that were like getting a beauty sandwich at home.
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Yvonne Proul
I love what you said about your skin devouring the skincare. Right. Because I think also as a beauty editor, I've had a lot of experiences where I'm testing a new skincare product for skin prep, specifically pre makeup application. And like you said, it might disrupt the concealer, it's causing patchiness, it's smudging or my least favorite thing in the world, it's pilling. So I would love to know more about your product. Specifically what is it like seeing your clients just love your products so much, but also can you tell me about them? What's the difference between the sauces and can you get into the nitty gritty? There's.
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Caitlin McClintock
Yes, I can. It's so cool to watch my clients organically and truly use my products. That's why the original product is called the secret sauce, because it was the secret sauce to my facials for, you know, years before I launched the product. It was this little secret ingredient that I would use this little secret potion for them to like maintain that snatch look. Because what would happen is that like they'd be on set, they get the makeup done. I wanted to give them like a little protective armor. You know, I wanted to create a skincare line that would feed your face like that, that would give your skin the vitamins, the minerals, the essential fatty acids. And that's what really the sauce does. It feeds your face fat. Fat from Omegas, Omegas 3, 6, 9 and a very rare Omega 5 and 7 that will help you with anti inflammation. That if you're flying, if you're stressed out, if there's flare ups, it's going to say to you, you're okay. You know, when you blanket your skin with these delicious ingredients, your skin won't be as prone to have this inflammation cascade because when you are devouring these fats, it's going to coat the skin. The skin is going to feel lubricated. So that's what the original sauce was about. I wanted to create a filter for your face. A lot of my clients were like, well, on my days off, I don't want to wear makeup because I wear makeup all the time on set. So I want to feel my best without makeup. So that's what secret sauce was about. It also volumizes and plumps. It gives you a very plumping, filling effect. You can't lock a glow in without fat. The serums all of that hydration, all of that will escape and then what happens is that then your pores become enlarged because your skin is so thirsty that it's searching, you know, the atmosphere, the pores are open because they want to drink. So. So seals, yes, soft seals.
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Yvonne Proul
I love that. That's why I'm always telling people too, if they have dry skin, don't use just a sheet mask full of humectants on a flight and don't follow up with anything because the cabin air will just take it right back. My question for you is, how do they differ?
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Caitlin McClintock
Yes. So my latest sauce, the lifting one, is more astringent. It gives you that like severe shapewear feeling or you're going to feel that tensing effect on the skin. Also double duties as like a beauty armor because it has so many antioxidants. So when I first launched these sauces, I thought, okay, once per day, once for night, but it's how your skin feels that day. Are you going to throw cashmere on every single day? No. Are you going to wear jersey every single day or you're going to wear cotton in a winter storm? No. So you want to have a sauce for the way you feel, you know, because they're all really for all skin types. But if you are more mature, you should be using brightening snatching sauce. Right. So I've almost now set this up that like SSO2 snatching, you want to wear on your neck from your lower face down. So you want to use it in the areas where you want to contour, where you want to tighten, where you want to create that shapewear effect. And then you want to wear your SSO one, the brightening one and the volumizing plumping one from here up. And that's how you recreate the beauty sandwich at home. You recreate that sandwich face. Now if you only could use one. If you are a drier skin type, you want to use your SSO1, right? Because it has the rose hip, it has sea buckthorn oil. This has precursors to vitamin A. So it's like a natural retinol for you, so causes, you know, natural cellular turnover. My sauces there are 100% anhydrous. What does that mean? There is no water in this formula. So it's true job is to seal and to lock in. That's what I felt was missing. You would use a serum, you would use a moisturizer, but what would happen to a moisturizer? The moisturizer would just sit on the top it wasn't really pushing down and kind of locking it all in and creating a better place for makeup to kind of like sit on. Right. And then the number two are more astringent oils. She's your lighter, brighter, tighter sister. She's very overprotective. She has like African Kalahari melon. So higher in antioxidants, you can either use it in the day or if you're of a combination skin type, if you have acne, if you have any dermatitis. Because in the summertime from using so much sunscreen, my clients were getting a lot of dermatitis from it and a lot of breakouts. So this has a lot more anti inflammatory oils and more astringent oils to create that effect. But really the ultimate way to do it and how to recreate a beauty sandwich at home is that. And then my amuse bouche and amuse bouche opens the appetite. The skin, just like your gut, has its own microbiome system. And it's the seventh layer of the skin is the microbiome of the skin. Just like the gut that gets sluggish, its digestive system gets sluggish. You need to ignite that. And that's what amu bouche does. It has the power of the peony flower to boost your own body's way to harness and bolster more hyaluronic acid. The more hydration you have, the more that you can reservoir that water, that you boost those hyaluronic acid levels, the dewier you're going to be. And you need that dewy skin. That's what we lose, that soft, supple skin. So it's more softening, more boosting. Just like you would take hot water with lemon in the morning, it's the first thing that should actually touch your skin before you even wash your face.
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Yvonne Proul
Oh, okay.
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Caitlin McClintock
I don't cleanse in the morning. I go straight to Amuhu's.
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Yvonne Proul
Wow. Okay, so how do you recommend applying it?
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Caitlin McClintock
I keep it next to my bed and I wake up in the morning, reach over, I missed. I'm smelling the peony flower, the blue tansy. I've like set my vibe for the day, right. You know, I'm like, oh, wow, I'm already chill. And then I'll cleanse after my workout. And then I'll use amuse bush again right after cleansing. And then I go straight into my sauce. But you can go straight into serum. But amuse bush also has three molecular weights of hyaluronic acid. It has that blue tansy in there. It has bamboo ferment so it feeds the microbiome of your skin. It also has bamboo water. So the water that it has is bamboo and a very special Persian rose water that takes a month and a half to distill to ensure that there's no bacteria.
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Yvonne Proul
Oh wow.
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Caitlin McClintock
That can live in the water.
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Yvonne Proul
I love that. So I want to talk active ingredients. Are there active ingredients that generally speaking you use and recommend for sculpted skin?
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Caitlin McClintock
You know one thing that you can do at home that is highly effective and gentle is microneedling. One of the ingredients that can create that is called epidermal growth factor egf and one of my favorite ones is from cure and I really love that micro needling system because it uses 24 karat gold plated needles to stimulate the skin and infuse the serum that is going to help you achieve that very dewy, delicious, glowing complexion. And it is also very gentle. A lot of people use that roller that's a little bit too aggressive. This is very, very gentle, very effective, has minimal downtime. Each treatment comes with one sterile one time per use needle head. So it's a much safer experience, It's a much more hygienic experience. And then it comes with two different serums infused. So it comes with the hydrating smoothing serum for more intense hydration because it's very low with beta glucan. And then it has the rejuvenating serum that has that EGF that I was talking about that's so important, which is that epidermal growth factor. This was like my hero during the Met gala. You know, you create those little micro channels, the beauty sandwich almost is penetrated a little bit deeper.
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Yvonne Proul
So to be clear, this is more hygienic because it's one time use. Right. So you're not reusing it, which is really nice like you would a traditional derma roller. It's also probably more effective because it has the serum. Unlike traditional derma rolling where you have to layer, you have to roll and then remove.
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Caitlin McClintock
Yeah, this is all done. They figured it out for you. It's very clinically proven, it's very effective. I used it on all my famous faces before. You know, if it was safe enough for the red carpet, it's going to be safe enough for you.
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Yvonne Proul
So what other at home skin devices do you like and would you recommend? I know you mentioned the cure micro infusion.
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Caitlin McClintock
You know the other thing for me is the Lima. What I find so incredible about the Lima is that they took low level laser therapy, a technology that's been around like radio frequency for 50 years. And they revolutionized this technology similar to the what I did with beauty sandwich. So they took this technology, they fragmented the laser beam 25,000 times so that there's no heat emitting out. It's just healing. Right. And it's going all the way from bone up, so you're going 5 millimeters into the dermis up, so you're healing from that depth all the way through the layers. So to me that made sense because as a person that's all about the layers underneath. With the beauty sandwich, I think that at home what we should be doing is repairing. That's what I love about the leave a safe, gentle, effective. I mean you can't damage yourself. That's what you want to, I think create at home is you want to reduce inflammation in your skin. That's why I think like cold plunging is so important. Infrared sauna, we want to sweat. That's one of the like to me one of the most underrated things is just sweating. That's how your skin can detox with the power of either cryotherapy or cold plunging. That can be very anti inflammatory as well.
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Yvonne Proul
Absolutely.
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Caitlin McClintock
So those are like hacks that you could do.
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Yvonne Proul
I love that. So on the flip side, we don't have to name names, but are there any at home skin devices or technologies that you would avoid that aren't just about healing or that you just think aren't worth the time and the money?
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Caitlin McClintock
Just stay away from anything too aggressive. Stay away from. If you have a device at home, don't use it at the highest setting, start at the lowest setting and build up and then try to watch, you know, videos. Because what you don't want to do is you don't want to stimulate the wrong muscles, you don't want to stimulate the depressor muscles, which I feel some of these other modalities tend to do, is that they're stimulating the muscles that actually pull the face down and you want to actually relax those muscles as much as possible. In the future there will be some Beauty sandwich tools. So I say wait for those because they will change your life.
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Yvonne Proul
I will be waiting very impatiently for those. You mentioned the infrared sauna, the sweating, the cryotherapy or the cold plunges. Is there anything outside of traditional skin care that you swear by or that you think really contribute to overall skin health and glow?
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Caitlin McClintock
Oh my God, so many. It's all about an inside job. Beauty starts from within. I know we've heard that a million Times. Right. But it really does, it's an inside job, you know, and I think it falls into two categories, alkalinity and acidity. So much of what we intake is acid, right? We drink coffee, we drink alcohol, we eat high protein diets, that's all acid based. I think in this fast paced life, we are so hard on ourselves and we don't take moments to kind of slow down and to get back into the frequency and the vibe of the earth because, you know, we have stress, we have partners, we have kids, we have jobs, we have careers and we're so hard on ourselves. So I think, you know, diet is so important in the way of that. You want to make sure that you're getting, you know, especially for your skin, a rainbow of things. You know, I used to make the mistake. I used to eat the same thing every single day. And then I was like, oh, why don't I have nutrition? Why are my adrenals shot? Why don't I have magnesium? You know, all my minerals were shot. Because also stress robs your body of its minerals. You want to make sure that you're eating foods that are rich in these minerals, electrolytes, even just salt. Putting that in your water every morning instead of reaching for that cup of coffee, that's an alkaline thing, you know, baking soda, adding a pinch of that in warm water in the morning, that's very alkalining with a little bit of lemon. You know, things to kind of help with the acid. Those are, I think like little beauty hacks that you could do. And sweat. I can't stress to you enough how important it is to sweat for your skin to get the toxins out of your body. And you want to make sure you're hydrated enough. If you are going to drink, take some charcoal to bind that or chlorophyll. Yeah, those are kind of like things that have really have been a game changer for me in the sense of the overall health of my skin. Get a stool test and make sure that your microbiome of your gut is okay, all of those things. Because foods can be very inflammatory. And then use skincare, you know, like the sauce that's a little bit more natural, that feeds your face, that's more gentle and effective. Go after clean beauty brands, you know, with your makeup and you know, stay away from anything that's too harsh.
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Yvonne Proul
Yeah, it's like you said, skincare from the inside out. Holistic health and wellness. My last question for you is, what's your best piece of skincare advice? That has absolutely nothing to do with products or treatments.
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Caitlin McClintock
Self love. It is the ultimate beauty secret. It is the ultimate beauty. Food, loving yourself. You know, it's like look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself you're beautiful every single day. Don't lose that opportunity. Don't wait for someone else to tell you you're beautiful. You are beautiful. I'm telling you you're beautiful. But you have to tell yourself that because each and every one of us is so beautiful. But we have to see it. I know that. That's why I've been brought to this planet, is to bring out and to make more and more people see the beauty that resides within each and every one of us. So tell yourself, look at yourself in the mirror. Write it down, journal it every day. I'm beautiful, I'm gorgeous. I'm snatched. You know, I always say I am love, I am beauty, I am energy. Because love is the foundation of everything. Love is, you know, the ultimate energy. We're all energy. We're all a vibe, you know, energy, spirituality, energy through radio frequency, the energy through our cars. We are energy, you know, and then beauty is a result. And that's how we can live a very beautiful, fulfilling life full of manifestations, full of your wildest dreams. I'm, you know, proof of that, that you can truly change your life. If I could tell my, you know, 30 year old self, you know, what I'm living today, it's a very different life than what I had. So fulfill your dreams, live your dreams, write them down.
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Yvonne Proul
And that's that period. Well, I can't thank you enough. You heard it here, the skin care advice from the Beauty Sandwich. I learned so much and I'm so grateful for you taking the time to sit through my many questions. So thank you so much.
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Caitlin McClintock
I'm so grateful for you.
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Kat Collings
A huge thank you to the founder of the Beauty Sandwich, Yvonne Paul and associate Beauty Editor Caitlin McClintock. Make sure to subscribe to our show wherever you listen to podcasts so you don't miss an episode. And while you're there, I'd also be so grateful if you'd rate and review us. If you have guest suggestions or any other feedback, drop us a line at podcast or you can find us on social at whowhatwear. See you next Wednesday on the who what Where?
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