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Most writers focus on the book in front of them — but what does it actually take to build a novelist career that lasts? In this episode, I sit down with Amazon Charts and Washington Post bestselling author Camille Pagán to talk about the long game of fiction writing: what it looks like, what gets in the way, and how to keep going when the path gets hard.

Camille shares the body-of-work strategy that transformed her career after a rocky start, why operating from your "Plan B" quietly undermines your writing goals, how to build belief before you have evidence of your own success, and what patterns she sees most often in authors who struggle to sustain a career versus those who don't. She also talks about her author coaching membership and what emerging and published novelists alike need to hear about the publishing industry right now.

Whether you're drafting your first novel, navigating life after a debut, or wondering if a long-term writing career is even possible for you — this episode will give you the perspective shift and practical grounding you need.

🎙️You can find more about Camille Pagan here.

🎙️You can find more about Nicole Meier here.