633: Knights Templar, the Green Jar and the Scroll That Changes Everything | Basement #006: Scott Wolter

Summary

The Why Files: Operation Podcast Episode 633: Knights Templar, the Green Jar and the Scroll That Changes Everything
Basement #006: Scott Wolter
Date: March 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this gripping and far-reaching episode, forensic geologist and controversial researcher Scott Wolter joins the show to unravel a tapestry of ancient mysteries, investigative science, suppressed history, the Knights Templar, encoded artifacts, secret bloodlines, and an explosives series of recent finds—including a mysterious green jar and a scroll that, if authentic, could upend everything we know about history, religion, and human origins. Wolter’s journey starts with using geology to solve murder cases and ends with decoding hidden knowledge said to link the Templars, Freemasonry, lost biblical texts, the bloodline of Christ, and even extraterrestrial insights. The conversation is deeply researched, unsparing, and loaded with revelations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Scott Wolter’s Forensic Background and TV Origin Story

• [01:00–15:36] – Forensics & Cold Cases:

  • Scott’s entry into forensics: Describes being called to date concrete in a Las Vegas murder case—using geology to establish time of death.
  • Notable Moment: “About four months later, I got a call… go to missingkids.com and within a minute, I was looking at her face.” – [11:19] Wolter, as his analysis leads to the victim’s identification.
  • Perspective on Science: Scott reveals he often trusts rocks and forensic evidence more than people or stories.

• [15:36–24:10] – From Rocks to Runestones to TV:

  • After the murder case, media interest arises because of his work on the mysterious Kensington Runestone, bringing Wolter to documentary television and eventually “America Unearthed” and “Holy Grail in America.”

2. The Kensington Runestone and Alternative Histories

• [24:10–32:41] – Scientific and Academic Pushback:

  • Weathering Analysis: Wolter's tests (core sampling, mineral degradation) suggest the Runestone is at least 200 years older than previously thought, implying it predates European settlement.
  • Academic Backlash: Significant pushback from scholars (“soft sciences”), linguists, and archaeologists, skeptical of his “hard science” approach.
  • Quote: “I trust rocks. I don't trust some people. Rocks don't care. They don’t give a shit. They just are.” – [22:13] Scott Wolter

• [32:41–38:39] – Tracing the Templars and Sacred Geography:

  • Research takes Wolter from Minnesota’s stone to ancient crossroads in Sweden, Scotland, and France, uncovering symbolism and code linked to the Templars and the Cistercian order.
  • Early skepticism about Templar connections turns into conviction as archaeological and symbolic overlaps pile up.

3. Family, Loss, and the Origins of the Bloodline Research

• [38:39–47:00] – Deeply Personal Motivations:
  • Wolter shares the story of his father’s mysterious death and later discovers (from a Northwest Airlines chief pilot) that his father worked for the CIA.
  • Personal Impact: Experiences coping with loss, finding solace in geology and agate-hunting, and mentorship from a WWII hero leads Wolter into publishing, research, and storytelling.
• [47:00–54:13] – Sacred Geometry and Codes in the Runestone:
  • Mathematical Symbolism: Details numeric and geometric codes (megalithic yard, pentatic numbers, sacred ratios) that align with both medieval and esoteric traditions, including connections to Freemasonry and the Knights Templar.

4. The Templar Road, Secret Societies, and Suppressed Knowledge

• [54:13–68:03] – Templar-Runestone Mystery and the Bloodline Tradition:

  • Wolter unveils connections from the Runestone to the Templars, Cistercian monks, and (possibly) the lost bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
  • The thread leads to the Talpiot Tomb in Jerusalem, where ossuaries inscribed with names from the Holy Family, as well as the controversial James ossuary, were discovered.
  • Suppressed Evidence: DNA, statistical, and chemical analysis suggest historicity, but authorities (and the Vatican) suppress wider acceptance.

• [68:03–87:09] – Precession, the Age of Aquarius, and a Coming Revelation:

  • Wolter links present-day upheaval to the “dawning of the Age of Aquarius,” and suggests that suppressed knowledge—about the goddess, sacred numbers, the Templar tradition, and extraterrestrial contact—may finally emerge.

5. The Sinclair-Weems Journals & Henry Sinclair’s Voyages

• [87:09–117:33] – The Journals’ Discovery and Content:

  • Stolen but Preserved: Genealogical researcher Diana Muir discovers 18th-century journals in a Tennessee church basement—tracing (and later, another translation copy confirms) a line from Templar Earl Henry Sinclair through the Weems family.
  • Explosive Claims: Journals describe pre-Columbian Templar voyages to North America, cooperation/intermarriage with native populations, and the relocation and guardianship of the Templar treasure—including possible items such as gold arks, stone tablets, and the bloodline itself.
  • Funding Revolution: Asserts that Templar treasures helped finance the American Revolution; Franklin, Mason, and other founders cited as Masonic insiders.

• [117:33–146:35] – The Green Jar, Secret Maps, and the Yeshua Scroll

  • Treasure Hunt: Wolter and collaborators use secret codes, maps, and ciphered instructions to track down a buried green jar in the Adirondacks.
  • Contents: The jar contains sand, coins, a wrapped scroll, and coded writings—some on antique paper, others using Theban and mysterious alphabets.
  • Translations and Ciphers: Using complex code-breaking methods and clues from associated artifacts, a “Yeshua Scroll” is deciphered.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Forensic Science vs. Soft Sciences:
  “These people were attacking me, telling me I did not understand scientific method. Excuse me, I run a frickin right laboratory. I do forensic investigations all day, every day for 41 years now.” – [32:59] Scott Wolter

• On the Sacred Codes:
  “And this is what you get, right? This is. This is the nature of this business. Remember? I didn't know anything. So anyway, I did my work, and what I did was I ended up comparing the weathering of tomb stones with the weathering of the inscription.” – [29:56] Scott Wolter

• On Templar and Masonic Preservation:
  “One of the beautiful things about the Masonic system is you are preserving ancient knowledge through ritual. And even if you don't understand it, it doesn't matter. It's preserved.” – [85:53] Scott Wolter

• On the Discovery of the Green Jar and Scroll:
  “I stand in front of the one. I set my compass to 320 degrees, paced off 138ft, got the metal detector out. Ding, ding, ding… dug it up… there was a metal can on top. And I poured the sand and what I thought were coins and this long scroll…” – [157:43–158:49] Scott Wolter

• On the Deciphered Yeshua Scroll’s Shocking Content:
  “The 325 year compilation of old and new writings is not the infallible word of God, but the fallible compilation of the Roman Catholic Church to support their doctrine.” – [163:08–163:56]

  “I, not entirely human. A rupture of the small intestines was not enough to kill me. I slowed my breath and was declared dead. My cousin of my father's side had me rest in the family tomb.”
  – [178:54–179:50]

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Segment Timestamps (selected highlights)

| MM:SS | Segment | Detail/Quote | |-------|------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:00 | Forensics → TV journey | “We do autopsies on concrete and rock…” | | 22:13 | The reliability of rocks | “I trust rocks. I don’t trust some people. Rocks don’t care.” | | 24:10 | What is the Kensington Runestone? | Background, how Scott got involved; debates over authenticity | | 29:32 | Academic pushback and career risks | “When I agreed to work with you on the Runestone, people warned me…” | | 54:28 | The coded Runestone date | “...We protected the date with a simple code using the Easter table dating method from the 14th century.” | | 58:29 | Domino effect: Truth suppressed | “Once you accept the Kensington Runestone, it triggers a series of dominoes to fall.” | | 66:10 | Talpiot Tomb odds | “Once you added in the James ossuary, it went from like 1 in 150,000 to 1 in 2 million.” | | 117:35| “We need to get to the green jar.” | Beginning of the episode’s final act—the scroll revelation | | 163:08| Yeshua Scroll: “The 325 year compilation…” | Council of Nicaea exposed in coded writing | | 178:54| Scroll confession: “I, not entirely human…” | The most controversial claim, suggesting Jesus as partly non-human/ET |

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The “Green Jar” and the Scroll That Changes Everything

Analysis & Translation of the Scroll ([161:49–183:53])

• Uncovered through following encrypted instructions and decades-old clues.
• Translated via a series of ciphers, sacred numbers, and cryptographic methods—mirroring Templar/Masonic traditions.
• Bombshell Content:
  • The biblical canon is described as “the fallible compilation of the Roman Catholic Church to support their doctrine.”
  • The “Yeshua Scroll” (purportedly Jesus' confession, first-person):
    • Reveals “I, not entirely human.”
    • Describes resurrection as “slowing the breath”; survived the Crucifixion.
    • Claims marriage to Mary Magdalene, two children, northward travels (Scotland, Iona).
    • Discusses male-female, dualistic godhead; normalization of homosexuality; references to genetics and extraterrestrial origin (“I was sent to Arcturus.”).
    • Prophecy about the sixth day (6/6/2026): “be not fooled by the false prophet...and his clone, who will rise on the third day after his death.”

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Thematic Takeaways

• Suppression vs. Disclosure:
  Repeated assertions that institutions (academic, religious, governmental) are actively suppressing or “sidelining” paradigm-shifting evidence about history, artifacts, and humanity’s place in the cosmos.
• Pattern Recognition & Sacred Numbers:
  Throughout, Scott insists on consistency between geology, symbolic codes, esoteric traditions, and the use of recurring numbers (8, 10, 14, 22, 33, etc.) as a “fingerprint” of the Templar/Grail/Masonic tradition.
• Generational Secret Keeping:
  The transfer and preservation of knowledge—across bloodlines, societies, and hidden documents—is key to Wolter's narrative.
• Contact, aliens, and the goddess:
  Wolter makes the case for alien contact interwoven with the “goddess” principle, lost books of the Bible, and pre-Christian cosmology.
• Urgency and Prophetic Timeliness:
  The decoded scroll ends with a warning about June 6, 2026—tying together cycles of history, prophecy, and cosmic awareness.

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Final Reflections & Reality Check ([192:25–195:10])

The episode closes with the host summarizing Wolter’s credentials and the real-world status of the evidence (e.g., ongoing academic skepticism, but some verified claims). The host concedes: “Whether you believe these conclusions or not, the man is following the data as he sees it … If this is a hoax, it’s the greatest hoax ever conceived. But if this is not a hoax, then we’re missing something fundamental about the history of the human race.”

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Conclusion

This episode is a kaleidoscope of detective science, historical revisionism, encoded treasures, heretical revelations, and a burning demand for the truth—no matter how wild the implications become. Scott Wolter stands at the center of it, unflinching before the controversies, unwilling to stop digging, and convinced that the most important stories of all time are about to come to light.

Noteworthy Final Words:
“And what is all of this about, at the end of the day? The true founding of this country…and as a Knights Templar who knows the truth, to see what’s happening today beyond disgusts me…so we got to get the job done here.” – [191:12] Scott Wolter

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Useful for:
Anyone interested in lost history, Templar legends, esoteric traditions, conspiracy, or the quest for “suppressed truth.”
Trigger warning: Some religious ideas/statements may be challenging or offensive to traditional believers.

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Further Listening / Related Episodes

• Knights Templar and Their Quest for Atlantis
• Ark of the Covenant Technology
• The Megalithic Yard and Sacred Geometry
• Hidden Bloodlines: The Jesus-Magdalene Tradition

For those not content with the mainstream narrative, Wolter’s story is an adventure, a challenge, and an invitation to keep digging.

Transcript

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Okay, I'm excited about this one. We're going deep with Scott Walter, forensic geologist, TV host, and one of the most controversial researchers in America. Scott made his name by solving murders with rocks, using geological evidence to date concrete and crack cold cases. But then he applied those same scientific methods to the Kensington Runestone, and everything changed. His research led him down a path that started with medieval runes, moved through knights, temporary treasures hidden in North America, and. And ended up somewhere nobody expected. In a little Green Jar. Scott's newest book just dropped the greatest Templar tale never told. And the story he tells me today about the Green Jar. It's going to challenge everything you think you know about history, religion, and who we really are. This conversation gets heavy, and I mean really heavy. Some people are going to be offended. But that's not Scott's intention. I think we should hear him out. Let's go down to the basement. Scott, welcome to the basement. Before we get to the fun stuff, can you tell us how your tv, because we all know you from tv. How your TV journey started right here in Las Vegas with a murder case.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, yeah, You've done your homework. Good for you. Well, yeah, you know, and. And, you know, I do material forensics for a living. I've run a materials forensic laboratory. I've been doing the work since 1985, but I started my own lab in 1990, and in 2004, I was. And essentially what we do is, for the most part, autopsies on concrete and rock. And we try to solve problems, you know, mostly in the concrete industry. Why did it crack? Why did it have low strength? You know, what happens if it exposed to fire damage?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Or what happens if a plane hits it?

[Scott Walter]

If a plane hits it, like at 9 11. That is true. We did that as well. But one time I received a call from a guy by the name of Lieutenant Tom Monahan. And he called from the Las Vegas Homicide Department. And he said, I. I said, why are you calling me? Said, well, we have a murder victim that was found buried in a shallow grave in the DES outside of Las Vegas, which I found out is not. Not a rare thing.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Nope.

[Scott Walter]

But what was unusual about this case was this person was totally encased in concrete. And of course, the first question I asked is, how was this person found? How did that happen? And he said that a man was out jogging with his dog and he stepped on what turned out to be the thinnest part of the concrete, which was between the, you know, the pubic region and the belly button of this deceased female. And it collapsed. And the dog immediately went into the hole. And this guy starts reaching in the hole and was pulling out bones.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh my God. And apparently this wasn't in a drum or something.

[Scott Walter]

No, it was the ground. He. I mean, he didn't know what it was. Right. And it collapsed under his. The weight of his foot. And if he had stepped anywhere else, it wouldn't have gotten collapse. It was that spot. So maybe it was meant to be. But anyway, so once he started pulling out what he thought were human bones, he called 911. Anyway, so I said, well, that's crazy. I said, but what do you want from me? And he said, well, we really don't have anywhere else to go. But we had heard about your work on the Runestone and relative age dating. Can you do the same thing with concrete? And I said, well, we've never done anything like that before. And the reason they wanted that to try to establish the age of the concrete was to establish a time of death, and then they could go back and look at the missing case files. And the reason was they've got a huge. And to nail it down would have been helpful. So the timing was what they were looking for. And I said, look, I've never done anything like this before, but I have a couple of ideas. And so if you're willing to try, I'm willing to try. And he said, we have nowhere else to go. So he said. And I said, when do you want Me to come out, he said, as soon as possible. So I got a flight the next day and I flew out here. And I remember Detective Rob Wilson picked me up at the airport. And it was a beautiful sunny day like it always is in Vegas, right? And he drove me to the coroner's lab, which was cold and, you know, kind of dark. And I remember I walked, when I walked in the building the first time, there were five gurneys lined up with dead bodies on them, naked, and various trauma. And I remember walking by, looking at him and I thought to myself, we're not in Minnesota anymore.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I'm a rock guy. What am I doing here?

[Scott Walter]

What am I doing here? Anyway, so then they pulled out another one of these gurneys with a big, large, oversized yellow body bag. And they unzipped it and there was the concrete. And it was in two, two pieces. There was. And what, what the perpetrator had done is dug a shallow trench, kind of a long trench, almost canoe shaped, and laid down a layer of concrete. And I was able to determine that was in three lifts.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This sounds like a nice Italian job. Do it the right way, do it

[Scott Walter]

the right way and finish the surface. No, it wasn't finished. But anyway, they, they, they laid a layer of concrete down. They put. And then the next load, if you will, of concrete was placed over the front part of the body. And then the last part was. No, the first part, the second part was over the legs. The last part was over the, the head and body because that was the lowest water content, was real thick and rubbly. It didn't flow as much. And that's because he was probably running out of water is what we, we, we thought.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow. Did you give them some leads on that?

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, oh, yeah. We talked about all this. I mean, and it was strange because as I was doing my examination, the corner was right there. And I'm asking him questions and, you know, he's asking me questions. It was in. Monahan and Wilson are looking at us, you know, and, and I kind of got into the zone a little bit, you know, and, and it was weird because everything is in reverse, you know, I mean, like, like a breast is positive, but in the mold it was negative.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Everything's like a relief now.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, so it's, it's, it's the opposite. Everything's opposite. So it was a little confusing. But eventually I got, you know, sort of accustomed to what I was looking at and I could see where the trauma had been. And it was pretty tough, you know, so anyway, and then in a In like a paper grocery bag were her bones. Because they had the bones.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

And they were all in a bag. It was. They didn't know who this person was. It was. It just seemed really, you know, weird.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's sad.

[Scott Walter]

It was sad. Yeah, it was really sad.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

They never could I.D. her.

[Scott Walter]

Well, so I said, well, here's what I propose. We'll take a sample here, we'll take a sample there, and I'll go back to the lab. And so there were two things that I was thinking about. One is when you place concrete, it sets up and it gets hard, right? And what it is is a heat generating chemical reaction. It's a lot like popcorn. And so the cement grains will react and form glues that make the concrete get hard. And when it first sets up and the heat starts, it's poppity poppy. You know, it's setting up and it's getting hard fast. But over time, what happens is just like microwave popcorn, it's poppity pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right, pop.

[Scott Walter]

Over years? Over years and decades, yes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So it continues to cure or whatever that is?

[Scott Walter]

Well, yes, it does, but it's so slow, it's imperceptible unless you're looking at it under a microscope and under polarized light and you can see the percentage of unhydrated particles. So it's very important when I do an analysis and I'm trying to determine what the water cement ratio that concrete, I'm looking at the unhydrated particles that are left. That's why I have to know when that concrete was placed to put it in context. Does that make sense? It does. That's a clock. The other thing that happens is we have a chemical reaction called carbonation where carbon dioxide will react with lime and calcium hydroxide in the concrete to form calcium carbonate. And what's kind of ironic about that is when we make Portland cement, you take limestone and silica and gypsum and some other stuff, but mostly limestone. And you fire it and you drive off the carbon dioxide and you end up with lime. And then you add water to it and it gets hard. But when it carbonates, it takes back the carbon dioxide and forms limestone calcium carbonate. Okay. That reaction is called carbonation, and it's progressive over time, and it's dependent upon the water cement ratio or the density of the, of the concrete, the amount of CO2 gas or methane that it's exposed to, and time. So the depth of carbonation was the other clock that I was thinking I might be Able to use. Never done anything like this before. So went back, did the testing, and I wrote a report. And I said, I think she's been there between one and three years. And I remember I sent my report, I emailed it to Tom, and I thought, well, I'll never hear anything. And about four months later, I got a call, and it was Tom. And he said, scott, he said, are you on your computer? I said, yes. He said, go to missingkids.com and within a minute, I was looking at her face.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, my God.

[Scott Walter]

I said, and I'm getting emotional just thinking about it again, because my daughter was pretty close to her age. She was 17. And I said, how'd you do it? He said, well, he said, do you remember when we showed you the molds that we made of the different parts of the body? And I said, yes, I do. And he said, you remember the mold of the face? And I said, yes, I do. He said, we had an artist do a reconstruction of her face. We got one call, a woman who lived in Vegas who said, I think I know who your Jane Doe is. She gave her the name. They pulled the dental records. They had the upper and lower jaw, and it was a match.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Scott Walter]

Now I need to back up. Before he called me back, after he got my report, about two, three weeks after that, he called me and said, hey, Scott, Detective Rob Wilson and I are coming to Minneapolis. We would like. I'd like to come see your lab. And I'd already gotten to know him pretty well, and he was from the east and played in the men's hockey league. And so did I at the time. And I said, hey, man, you want to go to a wild game? And he said, yeah, I do. So we. We. I got tickets. He came and toured the lab. And then we went to allery's Bar in St. Paul before the hockey game. And we're having a couple of beers, and he was one of those guys that had just this intense look. He had a black mustache, and he just looked right through you. And we're sit. Sitting there having a beer, and I asked him why he was in town, and he said, well, we thought we'd come and see your lab, but the real reason we're here is we were going to take dental impressions of a guy who's dying of cancer who we believe committed a murder. And I said, when you manage procurement

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[Scott Walter]

Dental impressions. Are you talking about bite marks on a victim? And he said, yes. So he went in there to this guy who was dying of cancer and he said, you're going to give us these dental impressions or we're going to put you in jail and you're going to die in a cold cell. If you give us the impressions, we'll let you die at home. And they got him. And that's a whole nother story. That's a great story. But anyway, so we talked about that when we're sitting in the bar, and then he looks at me with that look and he goes, so, what do you really think? And I knew what he was asking me. I had written one to three years of my report and I looked at him and I said, well, Rob or Tom, I said, I think she's been there between one and a half and two years. But I put one to three years because I thought that's what I could testify to and back up, right? But I'm telling you. And he said, looked at me goes, me too. Finished our beers, went to the game, the Wild won. He took off. And that's when I thought I would never hear from again. Then I got the call. And then he said, we got the one call and we pulled the dental records and it was a match. And he said, I thought you'd want to know. She was reported missing a year and 10 months from when we found her.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow. Nailed it.

[Scott Walter]

And I remember to think it to myself, well, I'll be damned. This shit actually works. So that was so. So, okay, that's a long story, but I haven't told that one for a long time. It was kind of.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's a good story. But how do you end up on TV from.

[Scott Walter]

Okay, well, I'll get to that. But I just want to say one more thing about that. I'm waiting for one more call.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The perpetrator.

[Scott Walter]

Because the last thing he said to me was, if we go to trial someday, will you testify? Like you're not afraid about some guy? I said, fuck him. I said, hell yes. So I'm waiting for one more call.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay, I hope you get that call.

[Scott Walter]

Hasn't happened yet. It's been a long time, so. And I know some more things that I can't talk about about the case, so.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Well, don't do that.

[Scott Walter]

Don't do that. That's a. That's Mick Jagger. Oh, don't do that.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay. So you solve a murder and you end up on the number one show on the network.

[Scott Walter]

So what happened was a woman by the name of Maria Oz, who. Her husband is Andy Oz. They were in the process at the time of founding a production company called Committee Films that ended up doing America on Earth. She was working for a local television station, WCCO tv, as an investigative reporter. She caught wind of the case and of the work that we did, and she wanted to interview me. So she comes into my. Into the lab, into my office. She sits down. I had just gotten back from my third or fourth trip to Sweden investigating, you know, the. The runes and everything on the Kensington Runestone. And I had been given a poster for a conference that we had attended. And we had a debate at this conference. And I had it hanging. I had just put it up on my wall.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The stone, like the image of the.

[Scott Walter]

Well, it's Olaf Ohlman, that. That iconic picture of him standing there with the stone, right? And it was. That's the poster, and it was in Swedish, right? And so she comes walking in, she goes, oh, have you done some work on the Kensington Runestone? I said, sit down, girl. And I told her that story and I told her about, you know, the murder case. And that weekend WCCO aired both stories. The murder case on Friday. And then Saturday, they. They used to do this thing called A Dimension Story, which was like a five minute long, you know, extended piece. And they did the Runestone on Saturday. Well, she went home and told her husband, and Andy's like, oh, my God, this is a great story. Maybe we could do something. So he calls me and I said, dude, I'm giving a lecture at the Chan Assen Library this Saturday. I said, come on and hear the story. I'm talking about the Runestone. And. And so he came to the library. I gave the lecture. He says, can I buy you lunch? I said, sure. Let's go eat. And we went over there. He goes, this would make a great documentary. I said, let's go. And so he. He said, well, we got to raise $150,000. I'm like, oh, how are we going to do that? So I begged and borrowed from friends and. And. And I told him, I said, hey, we. We want to do this film. And a lot of people knew about the Runestone and the work we were doing and, you know, where we were going with it and. And they wanted to support it. And I said, look, don't. Don't put your rent money here. I said, we'll probably lose it all, but if. You know, I really feel strongly about this and if you want to contribute. And we raised the money, but, you know, who wrote the biggest check? Janet and I.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

I wasn't going to let anybody put in more money than us.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So you were producers on your show?

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And how did you end up selling it to History?

[Scott Walter]

Well, here's what happened. So Andy and I, he says, well, okay, well, where do we go? Well, we got to go to Sweden. We got to go to Scotland, we got to go to France. We got to go to all these places because it's going down the Templar Road, right? And this is early on in the Templar Road. And so we. The four of us went. It was Andy, Ben Krueger, who was our A cam. I can't draw a blank now. But anyway, the four of us went there and Andy and me. And when I wasn't in front of the camera, I was hauling and, you know, hold the boom. We were interviewing. That's where I met Alan Butler.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, okay.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Abbey. One of the most gorgeous abbeys in all of England. It's just amazing. And he could not have been a nicer guy. I was, like, intimidated to meet him because I had read all of his books. The Goddess, the Grail, and the Lodge Virgin and the Pinnacle, and I mean, all he had. And the way he writes, you start reading and all of a sudden it's done. It's like, shit, I want more, you know? And I was. So. When I met him, I was. I was a little intimidated. And he was just, we're pals like that. He's just so wonderful. And as you know, he and Janet, we. We became really good friends and stayed in touch, of course. And then he and Janet wrote their book together, and we're planning to go see him this summer, so. And he's been struggling a little with his health. He. He'll admit it. He was a chain smoker. You know, back in the day, he was one of those fucking guys smoking cigarettes. All that's what he says. You know, I was fucking this, fucking that, but he's wonderful. So anyway, we filmed and that became Holy Grail in America. And what they did was Andy and Maria went to Real Screen, which happens, I think in January, is the big gathering. And that's where all the production companies pitch their shows, the networks buy their shows. And so what they. What they will do is they'll have screenings of certain shows that are. And they had a screening of ours and I remember there was a five minute pitch reel that we. They rented a studio with the marquee, you know, and everybody that was involved, it was a really fun party. And, you know, Janet and I are like, oh, this is crazy. You know, and to see Holy on a marquee was really cool.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, of course.

[Scott Walter]

It was great. And so anyway, they aired the trailer at Real Screen and six networks wanted it. Wow. And history paid the most.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

That's how they got it. So then we did. So that aired and it did really well. Really well. And then.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Why do you think that is? That was a hit show?

[Scott Walter]

Well, I think there was.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Why did it resonate with people? It resonated with me and my family.

[Scott Walter]

Really?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

Well, you know, the thing about it was. And I don't want to toot my own horn, but we did some really good research. And like I said, you know, I just said it when we did the short. I trust rocks. I don't trust some people. I really don't. And rocks don't care. They don't give a shit. They just are. And the rock told me it was old.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The stone. The Runestone.

[Scott Walter]

I'm talking about the Runestone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

And I knew it was real. And therefore, if it's real and that date is correct, which I know is correct because it's double dated using a code. Somebody carved it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Can you give us a quick three seconds?

[Scott Walter]

The code.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No. 3 sentence of what the stone is.

[Scott Walter]

Oh, oh, okay.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

For the one person.

[Scott Walter]

Oh, okay. God, I figured the whole world knows what's going on here. I assume all the time. Well, the Kinsey New Runestone is an artifact that was found by a Swedish immigrant farmer by the name of Olaf Oman, who was clearing trees in preparation for farming on his 100 acre parcel property about two hours northwest of Minneapolis, Minnesota, near Alexandria, Minnesota, in a town just outside of a town called Kensington. And this was in the fall of 1898, he was clearing trees in preparation for farming. And he tipped over this 25 to 30 year old aspen tree with his two oldest sons that were present at the time. And this rock was pulled out of the ground in the roots of the tree. And it was the younger son, Edward, who first noticed that there was something carved on it. And eventually the inscription was realized to be carved in Old Swedish. But we now know looking back that this is an amazingly complex inscription that was carved by a deeply initiated Cistercian monk. I think we might even know who his name is.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

But in any case, it's filled with symbolism, allegory and code. And I think I figured out what the codes are because when I became initiated as a Templar, going through the cryptic Council degrees, I suddenly realized, and that's a great story too, that the story that is encoded within it is part of the Book of Enoch, part of the Enochian Mysteries.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I have never heard that on the Kensington.

[Scott Walter]

You've never heard that because it's being suppressed.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

I mean, you know, Janet and I had a conversation this morning. I'm just going to tail off for a second. And all this craziness that's happening with these cults and you know, the trafficking and the whole world is coming down. Right. They've been suppressing this too.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah. Book of Enoch not considered part of the Bible. But as it's been discovered that it probably was. Book of Enoch probably was part of the. Part of the Bible at some point.

[Scott Walter]

It was. It was. It definitely was. And it's in this stuff.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Before we get to that, how did you. How did you come to studied the

[Scott Walter]

stone so the roots don't. Yeah, so. So for 100 and whatever years, until July of 2000, it was considered a hoax because the scholars that looked at the inscription were simply unable to figure out what it was because of what we just talked about. It's way more complex and.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And their arguments are the language is anachronistic, that sort of thing.

[Scott Walter]

And it's. That's all. Okay. The language, the runes, that when I went to Sweden five times, that's what I found. I found everything. But anyway, so the Runestone's been considered a hoax. In July of 2000, I was approached by representative that for the Runestone Museum who said, we would like to ask you to perform. And they had met with my professors, they went to the University of Minnesota Duluth, where I went to college on a football scholarship. And I met a wonderful professor who inspired me to go into geology. I was very fortunate to meet Charlie Match. Anyway, they went up and saw my professors and they said, go see Scott Walter. That's how I got the job. Anyway, so they came in and this guy starts talking to me about the Kenzie New Runestone. And I said, what's that? I never heard of it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

And after, you know, later on, I talked to other people, and everybody around me knew what it was. And I'm like, I must have missed school that day or something. I didn't know what they were talking about. So, anyway, I remember, and the guy clearly was an advocate for authenticity, and I gave him the story speech, and I said, look, I'll be happy to do this work for you, but you need to understand, when I get done, I may give you news you're not going to like. And you're still going to pay me, right? Okay. That's the beautiful thing about my job. I get paid either way. It doesn't matter what the results are.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right?

[Scott Walter]

So that's. But those are the ground rules. And he said, okay. So off we went.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So he didn't hire you to study language. He hired you to study the stone.

[Scott Walter]

Stone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How do you. How do you date it? What do you want you to do?

[Scott Walter]

Great question. And look, I just made it up. I completely made up what I thought was a way that I could do that. And when I did the short, somebody asked a really good question that led to exactly what you just asked me. And so, first and foremost, it starts with the geology. For example, if you have a piece of quartz or quartzite, I can't do anything with that because it doesn't weather. Right.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

Second thing, I need to know the context. Where has this artifact been? For example, in the case of the Runestone, it's been buried in the ground since it was put in the ground, presumably in 1362 as a land claim, and it was recovered in 1898. So we're talking about 600 or so years of weathering. Right.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Is that stone indigenous to the area, or did they bring that stone in?

[Scott Walter]

Another great question. Yes, we have sourced that rock.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

It's part of the Thompson Formation. If you go up just south of Duluth, there is a formation called the Thompson, for. I mapped those rocks when I was in college. So I knew the rock right away once I got a thin section. And so the first thing you have to do is identify the rock type. And as we said, you know, quartzite, you can't do anything. But this rock type is something called A. And there will be a quiz. So pay Attention.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay, go for it.

[Scott Walter]

Paleo Proterozation. Meta Gray. Wacky.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay, I can't do it.

[Scott Walter]

I can't do it. Thompson Formation. Okay, I knew right away. And it has about. Well, the runestone has 17 different minerals in it. And in fact, what was really fun is I was able to pull one of my professors out of retirement, Dr. Richard Ojikangis, to come help me and do his own. I said, hey, Dick, will you do a point count? I'll do mine. We'll compare notes, right? And he's one of the premier sedimentologists in the world. I would argue the best sedimentologist. And he just died earlier. No, late last year. A couple months ago. I just got that. It was very sad. He was wonderful. 93. Anyway, so Dick did it. And later on, you know what he said to me?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What?

[Scott Walter]

He said, you know, Scott, when I agreed to work with you on the Runestone, people warned me that I shouldn't help you. And I said, why? And he said, because they said, it'll ruin your reputation working on that fake, the Runestone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Scott Walter]

And he said, I'll help Scott anyway.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

But what do you. At that point, what do you care whether it's fake or not? You just want to know what the rock tells you?

[Scott Walter]

You tell me. I mean, look, it'll ruin your reputation. What are you talking about? I mean, we're asked to do a job, and we're doing hard, you know, geological work. So I. I mean, but this is what you get, right? This is. This is the nature of this business. Remember? I didn't know anything. So anyway, I did my work, and what I did was I ended up comparing the weathering of tomb stones with the weathering of the inscription. Took a core sample out of the back, that. And we made thin sections, put them under a scanning electron microscope and a polarized light microscope, identified the mineralogy. We did point counts. How. What percentage of that mineral do we have? And there were 17 different minerals. So, anyway, and I remember, I compared my. My work with. With Dick, and we got pretty much the same thing. So I thanked him because he taught me how to do it. But anyway, so I identified one of the faster weathering minerals, which was mica biotite, in this case, because it has an iron phase, so it weathers the fastest. And I use slate tombstones from out in Maine that were old enough dating back to the Revolutionary War, so that I. And they got the dates right there. Right, Right. So what I did was I just measured how long it took before the minerals started to come off the surface of the tombstones. That happened at about 200 years on the Runestone. They're gone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

They're all gone.

[Scott Walter]

So my conclusion is the weathering is older than 200 years and that's from 1898. Because it hasn't been in a weathering environment since it's been indoors, in the shed or in a museum. So you push it back 200 years from 1890. It was nobody in Minnesota then except the indigenous people and maybe a, you know, a monk that was traveling like Hennepin or somebody.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

So I said it's genuine. And I wrote my report and I sent it off and I said, well, that was fun. Good for them. They got one and I was done.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Scott Walter]

Then the pushback came. Oh my God. It was nasty and personal and you know, I mean I had academics that I had met. Well, I would eventually meet.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Now you understand why you were warned?

[Scott Walter]

Well, yeah, yeah, that this, that, you know, this is. And, and I look. And, and so most of the people. And, and I don't want to disparage these disciplines, but I do want to make a point. It's very important. I, I'll use the word soft science. I'm talking about.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

They're not going to like this history. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Language, archeology, runes, runology. These are humanities disciplines, right? Wonderful disciplines. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

them, but they're up for interpretation.

[Scott Walter]

They're up for interpretation. These people were attacking me, telling me I did not understand scientific method. Excuse me, I run a frickin right laboratory. I do forensic investigations all day, every day for 41 years now.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right. You're not a TV guy. No, I'm not a scientist doing.

[Scott Walter]

You know why I even did the goddamn tv?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Why?

[Scott Walter]

Because this is important.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Really?

[Scott Walter]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

I make a good living running my lab.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Okay. And I love it. And I, you know, I get to work on murder cases. I worked on the Pentagon. That's what people are going to talk about at my funeral is not the Runestone and all this stuff. They're going to talk about that. And I've. I've done some, you know, pretty cool things. But when this came and I got this pushback and people attacking me personally, I got pissed. And I told you I went to college on a football scholarship. I was a linebacker and I won a couple championships. I don't around right.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You're not going to go, we'll go.

[Scott Walter]

I couldn't frame them up and put them on the ground. I Had to do it differently.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Now they're behind their keyboards.

[Scott Walter]

Exactly. Yeah, well, the tough guys, you know. But you know, obviously I know who you mean. I'm joking, but I'm not joking.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I know who you mean. And anyway, they're no fan of mine.

[Scott Walter]

Yep, yep, we know who we're talking about. But anyway, it wasn't. I mean, it was academics. And so they were attacking my process. So anyway, long story short, I just said, I'm sick of this. I trust the rock. Rock said so. Therefore somebody carved it. They came from some place. They came here for some reason. There has to be an explanation for that, right? Yep, has to be. And all the stuff they said didn't exist. Has to exist. So the only place the language is old Swedish, right? Eight Goths got to Landers. I went to Gotland, the island of Gotland, which is in the middle of the Baltic Sea, which was part of Sweden back then and part of Sweden today. It's where everybody in the countries that surround that region go for their summer vacations. It's beautiful. And where I found the evidence. The language, the runes, the dialect, the grammar. The dating was on grave slabs that had been mortared into the floors inside 92 churches on that island.

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[Scott Walter]

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[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So it's important.

[Scott Walter]

Anything at that time? Well, these things were all Cistercian.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And for those who don't know, Cistercians

[Scott Walter]

are the white monks. The White monks, founded in 1095. But Robert moles me taken to meteoric success once St Bernard de Clairvaux joined the order in 1113. By the time he died in 1153, there were 300 Cistercian abbeys all across Europe, into Scandinavia, the British Isles, into the Holy Land. And by the time the Templars were put down A little over 200 years later, in 1307, there were 750 abbeys and about 12,000 Templar Knights who are also Cistercian. Right, so. And it was Bernard de Clairvaux who wrote the charter for the Knights Templar that was officially signed by the Pope at the Council of Troy on January 13. That number's not a coincidence. 11:29 at the council of Trois and Trois, France. So I learned all that, and when I want to learn something, I'll do it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You get your teeth in.

[Scott Walter]

I just put my pads on, and

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I go, so what was that mark?

[Scott Walter]

That mark was a Templar cross.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It was the Templar cross that you found.

[Scott Walter]

And I found everything. And so then I started going down the Templar road or the Cistercian Templar road. And then, oh, they disappeared in 1307. This is 1362. This is just a few decades later. Well, I'm not the brightest guy in the world, but I can figure that one out. So maybe there's a connection.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You weren't interested in, like, Templar lore before?

[Scott Walter]

No, I didn't know what a Templar was. Okay, I had no idea. Look, I spent my adult life starting my lab, raising kids, playing touch football, skating, playing basketball, softball. I was a jock.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

And drinking beer.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay, you're not studying Dan Brown novels looking for connect.

[Scott Walter]

No, no, no. I. And in fact. And collecting agates. I'm a big lake super agate collector. And that's where I wrote my first book.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I meant to ask you, like, what's so fascinating about agates? What. What is that? We'll get back to the.

[Scott Walter]

We'll get back to that. But I'll tell you a funny story. Right before we came here, we went into a shop at the hotel where we're staying, and they had some rocks. You know, amethyst cathedrals and all this stuff. And of course, I had to go in there, and it turns out this woman was originally from Israel, and she's an older woman, very, you know, elegant. And nobody was in there, Just the two of us, Janet and I. And we started talking about rocks, and then we started talking about agates. And I pulled out my phone. I showed her. She goes, oh, my God, that's the most beautiful. You find those in Minnesota? I said, yeah, we go in gravel pits. We go in rivers and lakes. I said, it's our state gemstone. And she was just. And then we got into the golden ratio and all this, and she ended up hugging both of us when we left. It was amazing. So, yeah. So. And I wrote. And. And just. Just to segue out for a second, I want to tell you a quick personal story. My dad was a pilot for Northwest Airlines. And when I graduated from college in geology, I was no longer a dependent. I used to get passes, and I could fly all over the place. And I did. I took full advantage. I went down, you know, spring break every year. You know, I would go out. I need a ticket. But I remember dad said to me, he said. He said, you know, you're graduating. He said, your passes are running out. He said, you got one more trip. Make it a good one. So I was also scuba diver, and I said, dad, I want to go dive on the Great Barrier Reef, and I want to go with you. I could have gone with my brother. I could have got my best friend. His dad was a pilot. I want to go with my. My dad was cool.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

He sounds cool.

[Scott Walter]

He was awesome.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Did he take that trip with you?

[Scott Walter]

He did.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay. And he drowned on that trip. I saw. I didn't know that. I didn't know the story.

[Scott Walter]

Well, it was the worst thing that ever will happen to me. Of course I was with him. And it's. I'm not going to tell you the story right now because I can tell the story. I don't cry anymore. Well, I still do. It was. It was. It was bad. And I found out later that it wasn't an accident.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What?

[Scott Walter]

You ever seen the movie American Made?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Of course. Yeah. Barry Seal. Are you saying your dad was involved with the agency?

[Scott Walter]

Yep. After we got.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You don't talk about this very often. I don't think.

[Scott Walter]

I don't.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Dad was so. So. So. So he was taken out. He was flying jets down to Central America, and he knew too much. So after we came back, about three weeks after we got back, I got a call from the chief pilot at Northwest. Don Naira. And his son played for the North Stars. He was a hockey player. And he said, scott, I'd like to talk to you. I said, okay. So I go in and he said, if you tell anybody what I told you, I'll deny it. I said, I get it. And he said, your dad was in the CIA. I said, oh, okay. And he told Me what he was doing. And he didn't say that he was taken out, but I figured it out on my own. And there's other details I could tell you. Maybe when we're alone we can talk.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

But anyway, I was wrecked and it blew our family apart. I have a brother and a sister and my mom. My brother and my mom died be two years ago, same year, within a couple months of each. Once my mom died, I knew my brother wasn't far behind. That's another story. But anyway.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Did they know your dad was working for a.

[Scott Walter]

My mom did. I. She finally came around late in life and she finally. A month and a half before she died, I took her out to dinner and went back to her apartment. And we're sitting in the car and I was just about to open the door and help her out, you know, she turned, she looked at me, she said, I forgive you.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What's to forgive?

[Scott Walter]

Well, for what happened, you know, to dad. She never married again. She blamed me for it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, it was tough. But I'm telling you this for a reason.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

So. So I was in a really tough place and I. I had just gotten a job from Charlie. My professor got me a job with Mapco Minerals as a field geologist. And I loved it. And I was on a two month gig in northern Minnesota, going in the woods and mapping and taking samples sentiment for testing. And then it turned out that was a test to see if I could handle it and I obviously I did and I got the full time job. I got. They said your next project is starting in January in Nevada. So I was all set to go do that and then I took the trip and dad died and I had to stay home. So that was a huge correction. But I got hired by Twin City Testing. I learned petrography and then I went and here I am now. But that was a really defining moment. And what happened during that time right after dad died is I was struggling with a lot of grief. And so when I got upset, I just jump on my motorcycle and I would drive to the gravel pits and I would just walk pick agates and I met the other collectors and I got to know the industry really fast. And I met A World War II hero, George Flame, and we ended up becoming close friends and he became another mentor to me. And he eventually. And he was the king of agot. Well, he flagged me early on. He said that kids, you know. And I remember one day I was up there and we're talking about agates and formations. And he. And I said, well, George, what do you think about this? And he goes, kid, you got the geological knowledge, you got the agate picking experience. Write the book. And I went, george, I'll do it. And he lived in Duluth, which is two and a half hours from where I lived in the cities. Right. So on the way home, I wrote the outline on the steering wheel.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is your first book?

[Scott Walter]

My first book on Lake Superior agates. And it did really well. And I'll tell you why it did well. It wasn't the formation, it wasn't the types. It wasn't, you know, all the microscopic features and all the stuff that you have to talk about. About. I peppered in between each chapter stories about George and Chauncey Wheeler and praying to the Lord of the pits. All these crazy stories. The stuff that I thought was so cool. And. And I got hundreds of letters and nobody asked me about formation. Nobody asked me about the different types. Tell me about Chauncey Wheeler, who every time he got found an agate would stop, sit down, pray to the Lord of the Pits, and, you know, that kind of stuff.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Well, that's full circle to America on Earth, because that's why you stood out as you told the story in the episode. And we weren't really. We didn't really care about that. I didn't really care about the stone. It's cool to have evidence that it's real, but you want to know the story.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's what I do. And so I've written a couple more books on agates since then. And I wrote one called when I turned 40. And I called it like the halftime of my Life. Right. I use football metaphors, of course, and it's called one the Lakes Pier. Right. One Man's Journey. And it was. And I talk about dad and the whole journey. But when I published that book in 1986, which was three years after dad died, I was back.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You were back.

[Scott Walter]

I was back emotionally, and I was myself again. And I thank George for that and I thank my professors for that, and I thank Janet for that. And my. My kids, they came after that. But, yeah, that's what got me into writing.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Well, let's take a quick break, and when we come back, we can get into the Stone and Templars and the Journey.

[Scott Walter]

Okay.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

All right, bear it back. What does it say on the Kensington Runestone?

[Scott Walter]

We've talked all about it. We haven't separate. Well, what's interesting is it starts with a number, something called a pentatic. Number. And you know what, A.J. i could teach you pentatic numbers in 10 seconds. Okay, you ready?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

Make a vertical line.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Vertical line.

[Scott Walter]

1, 2, 3, 4. Half loop is 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Full loop is 10. Put them in Arabic placement. You can make any number you want. So the number eight is the first thing on the runestone. Half loop is 5, 6, 7, 8, 8. Gotta landers and 22 Northmen Norwegians on this acquisition business. Slash. Taking up land from Vinland, far to the west. We had a camp near two shelters one day's journey north from this stone. We were fishing one day after we came home, found 10 men, red from blood and death. And then three Latin letters, A, V, M. Then the last line says, save from evils on the split side of the stone. And it's split. We call it the split side because the carver intentionally broke it down to exactly a 2 to 1 ratio.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Scott Walter]

Which is the key to sacred geometry.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

And the other thing that's really interesting is that the diagonal distance across that stone is exactly 2.722ft or one megalithic yard. Wow. Coincidence.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Probably not. Probably, no. I've covered the megalithic yard. It's amazing. It's everywhere.

[Scott Walter]

It is everywhere. And then on the split side it says there are 10 men by the Inland Sea to look after our ships. 14 days journey from this island. Year 1362. Carved in pentatic numbers in Arabic. Placement 1362. Now, I'm just going to jump into this real quick because we talked a little bit about how, you know, the legend of Enoch, the Enochian mysteries is embedded within the inscription. So is Hebrew mysticism. There's very key things about the numbers. There are codes embedded within the inscription. One of the codes, and here's, here's something very interesting. After I did the geological work with the tombstones and I realized that it was real. I said, somebody's got to document everything on this stone. So I took it upon myself and I generated a photo library of every man made feature in the inscription and every rune, every word separator, every number. And I used high angle and low angle reflected light to pull out the three dimensionality of what was there. And I just started at the beginning and I went through the whole inscription. I took over 650 photos under magnification. And as I did that, I started to find things. Things that I didn't know what the hell they were. Things that nobody else had ever noticed because nobody ever looked right. And right from the get go, the very first thing in the number eight, the three lines under the half loop at the end of the second bar, there was a dot that was punched at the end. Clearly man made. And if it was man made, they did it for a reason. I didn't know why. So as I was finding these things, I would stick them in a folder just. I just labeled it odd runes. And it was those things that we turned out to be the beginning of solving the mysteries, the codes. Anyway, so that number and then on line four in the word shelters, all the runologists always put a question mark after it because they don't know if that's the right word. That's not the word. I think the word is Sinclair.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Scott Walter]

S K L A R. Now one of the old corrupted spellings that I found in documents going back to this time is the word Sklar S Clar Sinclair. It's one of the about 14 ways you can spell that name.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And templa fans know the Sinclair name for sure?

[Scott Walter]

Oh, absolutely. But the L has a little cross on it and doesn't belong there. And they tried to make it a bin ruin, but there's no word that works. A bin ruin is where you take one vertical stave and you make two runes off a common stave. It's called a bind rune or bin rune. There's no other bin runes in the runestone, so that's probably not a bin rune. And it doesn't work as a bin rune. So what is it? Let's pull that out. And I put that in the odd ruins. The last thing on the face side is the word saved from evils ilu. And you have the strange rune that looks like a Y with a little cross on the bottom that doesn't belong there and two dots. I put that in there. Now remember I told you about the dating?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

One of the things that I found when I went to Sweden is some of the grave slabs were double dated, double dated using the medieval Easter table dating method. And to do that you need three things. You need. So the, the runic Alphabet is called the futhark. And to make a date you need one of the first seven letters, which is called a Sunday letter, and then the rest of the Alphabet. There were 19 runes in the Alphabet at that time. There'd be 12 more left. You need a Sunday letter, a golden year, which is any one of the rest of those 12 runes and a column number. And then you plot them on the Easter table and it gives you a date. So what we did was we pulled out the one number that singled out the eight. The link, which they didn't know what to do with.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

And the U. And you plot them on the Easter table and guess what you get.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What?

[Scott Walter]

You get a date. Guess what that date is.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

1362.

[Scott Walter]

Bingo.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Scott Walter]

Coincidence.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No, it's probably not.

[Scott Walter]

Probably not. I'll tell you what I think it is. I think the reason is. It's a land claim. It says it right on it. Acquisition, business, taking up land. Who was looking to establish a new sanctuary?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Templars.

[Scott Walter]

Were you following?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Now, do we know who those men were and what happened to them? And what red with blood?

[Scott Walter]

Yes, we do.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

We do.

[Scott Walter]

We do. It's an allegory. Oh, now, so 1362. Keep in mind, why would they need to double date it? Because let's say you're a smart aleck and you want to add one more line to the three in 1362. What have you just done?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You changed the date.

[Scott Walter]

You've added 100 years.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's right.

[Scott Walter]

Can't do it. Because we protected the date with a simple code using the Easter table dating method from the 14th century. Ole Worms. Easter Table was developed in 1314. Keep in mind, AJ when I do forensics, when anybody does forensics and you're trying to solve a problem, all the data has to fit. It must fit.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

If you got a piece of data hanging out there, you're not there yet. Right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

Right. So this is what I do when I'm investigating the Runestone. Whether I'm talking about the rock, the runes, the Templars, doesn't matter. It all has to fit and it fits beautifully. And let me tell you something. I've told you this and I'll tell you again. I do forensic investigations for a living and I'm pretty good at it. This was the easiest evidence trail I've ever followed. Now, I had no idea where it was going to go, but the evidence was consistent, cohesive and conclusive. Keep in mind, I'm a licensed professional geologist. I take my work very. I have a lot of fun. Life isn't worth living unless you have fun. Right? Right. But when it comes time to dial in and stop shitting around, I dial in every single job that I do. I have to be prepared to testify in a court of law under oath to my findings. I think that's a higher bar than the academic peer review process.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I agree.

[Scott Walter]

Where basically they sit around and talk about it until what? They agree?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Until they agree.

[Scott Walter]

Until they agree. Right. Well, that process has some merit and I think a lot of good has come from it. But a lot of shit work has come from it, too, including on the Kensington Runestone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah. They don't like to be wrong.

[Scott Walter]

And they don't want to trample on the, you know, their. Their predecessors.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

You know, so I've seen a lot of that, and here's the irony of that. They accuse me of not understanding scientific method. Let's say you wrote a thesis and got very famous on. Coffee's good for you.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right?

[Scott Walter]

Right. And then I come along and you're in your retirement, and I do some work, and I find out that, guess what? Coffee's not good for you.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I don't like you very much.

[Scott Walter]

You don't like me very much. But if you are a true scientist, you know what you're going to say. You know what, Scott? You developed a whole new set of data that I was not privy to. I had no idea. Nice job. And you accept those results. And just because I proved you wrong doesn't mean you were stupid. The fact that you accept the new data means you're smart.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I agree.

[Scott Walter]

That's scientific method. That's not what's happened here. And so we've seen a failure of academia, but there are larger forces at work here.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Larger than academia suppressing the truth?

[Scott Walter]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Like the government, the religious establishment.

[Scott Walter]

All of the above.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Because once you accept the Kensington Runestone, it triggers a series of dominoes to fall. And those dominoes go to some inconvenient places for these institutions that you just rattled off. One of those places is called the Talpiot Tomb.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Telpiot tomb in Jerusalem. Discovered 1980. That's the ossuaries.

[Scott Walter]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So these dominoes go back through the time of Christ, probably through ancient Egypt and probably even before then, Atlantis. To Atlantis.

[Scott Walter]

Yep.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Is that where the first Templars come from? Or they do.

[Scott Walter]

The tradition goes all the way. I believe that. I know Tim believes that. I know a lot of people believe that. And I think more and more people are going to believe that in the future.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

One of Tim's theories, which I think is interesting, is that the Brothers of the east and Constantinople were guardians of the Atlantean knowledge. And then I guess it was Hugh to Payne visited there and they captured Jerusalem.

[Scott Walter]

They founded the Templars. Hugh de Pan, by the way, was the uncle of Bernard de Clairvaux.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Amazing coincidence.

[Scott Walter]

No, I say that all the time. Because I'm being facetious, of course.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

All those noble southern France families, the

[Scott Walter]

Merovingians, those Burgundian families in southern France

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

and Merovingian's probably going to come up later, I would think.

[Scott Walter]

Their religion.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No, those. The people.

[Scott Walter]

Oh, the people. Of course.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The bloodline.

[Scott Walter]

Absolutely. This is all one of the. And we haven't even gotten into the research that I've been doing and the new book and, you know, the Green Jar and all that.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Green Jar, The Green Jar.

[Scott Walter]

But if there's one thing that recurs time and time and time again are these same family names. And they are all connected. They are descendants. And so this is definitely. And I've said this. You've probably heard me say this on other shows. These people are not just the ideological descendants, but the biological descendants as well from Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Egyptians and beyond. So. And they're still here. And they're still here.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I want to talk about that. Can you make the. Can you connect those dominoes for me from the stone to the Talpia tomb? How do we connect that?

[Scott Walter]

Well, it goes to the Templars. The Templars were in Jerusalem, and the Templars were in the Telpia tomb. They left their calling card in the form of those three skulls. We also. There's some data. Now, one of the things a lot of people don't know is that when, in 1980, when the archaeologists went in and, you know, they were blasting the hillside in preparation for putting the foundations in for an apartment building, and they found this underground tomb. And these are not rare in Jerusalem, but we know that the ossuary culture dates back to the first century. It was only used for about 100 years in Jerusalem. And then when the Romans crushed the Jews, that was the end of it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

So when we find these, we know they date back to the first century. And in this particular tomb, I don't know if you've heard this, but when the archaeologists went in, the entire tomb was flooded with terra rosa soil about 2ft deep.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I have heard that.

[Scott Walter]

Okay. That covered all the ossuaries and all the walls and all the kokims, the tunnels inside the tomb. And I don't want to segue off into the James ossuary.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's a controversial one.

[Scott Walter]

You know that one? I. Do you know how they were able to establish that it came from that tomb?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Just to catch people up. So the. The James Ossuary was discovered by a collector is how it came onto the scene.

[Scott Walter]

Let me just frame this first.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Go ahead.

[Scott Walter]

In the tomb, there were 10 ossuaries that were cataloged. Only nine made it to the Israeli Antiquities Archives.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

One went missing, and that's James.

[Scott Walter]

That's the James. Okay, so go ahead.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And these ossuaries are the bloodline of Christ. So John the Baptist.

[Scott Walter]

So I think it's important that we rattle off the names.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

Okay. So one of the ossuaries says Jesus Yeshua. That's his real name. Can I just say something?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Go for it.

[Scott Walter]

I find this incredibly interesting, and I didn't know this either until I knew it, but probably 90 plus percent of people who call them Christian call themselves Christians who believe in the resurrection of Jesus and he's their Lord and Savior.

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[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Jews know his name.

[Scott Walter]

The Jews do. But that's a small percentage compared to people who call themselves Christians. Right. I just find that ironic. But in any case, so the name on the ossuary was Yeshua, son of Joseph. Another Oshawari said, James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus. One said Joseph, Matthew, Maria, Judah, son of Jesus. Now, there were seven of the ten ossuaries that were inscribed with names. Six run Aramaic, one in Greek. We just rattled off the ones in Aramaic, but the one in Greek said Mariamne the Mara Mary. Mne is a pet name for only Mary Magdalene found in the Acts of Philip. So what the actual F is going on? Why doesn't the world know about this? I don't know how freaking obvious is this?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And a couple of those names are actually referenced in Mark 6. Three same names.

[Scott Walter]

Same names. Now, some people have come back and said, well, those were common names at the time.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

They were.

[Scott Walter]

And some of them were. But when you start calculating the odds, as one of my good friends, that keeps me on the straight and narrow we talked about earlier, Jerry Lutkin, who's part of the Telpia tomb research team, as I am, as well, calculated the odds. Once you added in the James ossuary, it went from like 1 in 150,000 to 1 in 2 million. So even it's not them.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So even without James, even without the controversy, this still fits.

[Scott Walter]

Well, I, I'll take those odds every time. Sure, of course. Hell, yeah. So. So it's them now. There's so much more to it. And the way that they were able to establish that. That Oshawa that showed up on the antiquities market and was purchased by Oded Golan I think was his name, I don't remember. But he stood firm. And the testing beared out the scientific testing. And what they did was they took samples from inside the tomb, from the ossuaries, and they got a geochemical fingerprint of that terra Rosa soil that were all contaminated. Right. All the ossuaries and the walls inside the tomb. And the geochemical profile when they tested the James ossuary was a spot on match. It came from the tomb, but obviously somebody had taken it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

And sold it. Right.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Did you test DNA in there? Do we have the genome?

[Scott Walter]

I can neither confirm nor deny.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I know what that means in Templar speech.

[Scott Walter]

Yes, you do. Well, you know what, you should have Jerry on. You should talk to Jerry Lutkin. He's very well spoken, he's a really fun guy, but he's really wicked smart. And he's working with Simca, James Tabor, Charlie Pellegrino and some of the other guys on the tomb. And they've done a lot of work and it's not, it's not public.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So why suppress this? Why what? Why not just follow the evidence?

[Scott Walter]

We are, and we're coming out with

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

it right now, but I mean, there are forces that don't want this information out. True.

[Scott Walter]

But I think you know what I, and I was talking with Janet about this, this morning, just before we came here. With everything that's happening right now, I think those forces have bigger problems.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

And I think, you know, you, you understand precession, right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I do.

[Scott Walter]

You know, right here, now, we're living through one of the most profound moments in human history. Astronomically. Right. And it was predicted that this would be a time of great upheaval.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

[Scott Walter]

Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, which is symbolized by two streams that flow together as one. And I look at those two Streams. I mean, there's a number of different symbolic ways you can interpret that, but one of the ways I see it is ideologically right and left, which is especially divided in this country right now, Right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

And maybe what all this craziness and that green jar is going to do is bring us as one again. That's my hope, and that's what I want to see happen. I mean, it's easy to sort of go down that negative rabbit hole and get caught up in all this negativity. And it's awful. It's beyond awful.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

But the symbology is there, Right. We've got Pisces, the light and the dark, the left and the right, and we're now leaving that behind.

[Scott Walter]

You're posing. Yep. But I think. Yeah. And you know what happens when you go through a dark period? The clouds clear and the light comes and the sun comes out. And I, I, I'm optimistic. I think that's going to happen. And there's one other elephant in the room that we haven't talked about, and that is them. And now, I mean, the last several years, this is, this has been talked about, right? That's all we hear about. It's time that they were introduced and they had their time on the stage because they are here.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And if you're listening, Scott pointed to the sky. So you've got extraterrestrials in the, in these documents. Do you want, do you want to reveal the documents, what you're pointing at?

[Scott Walter]

I, I could keep you here all day, man, but I, I want to

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

know where to be.

[Scott Walter]

Well, why? I mean, it doesn't matter which we do first, but I would also like to talk a little bit about, about my new book. Because, I mean, it's, you know, I mean, obviously I appreciate the plug, but what's important is the story is really important. And I'll just, I'll try to get through this as quick as I can. If you take your time. Okay, so about 10 years ago, exactly 10 years ago, ironically, in July of 2016. What is it about July when people bring stuff to me? A woman, seriously sent me an email, and she said, said, I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair. And I went, yeah, right. Delete. Next day. No, really, I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair. Stop it. Delete. About a week later, she goes, no, I'm serious. I've got the journals of Earl Henry Sinclair. And she sent a couple pages. Oh, I picked up the phone. Hi, my name is Scott Walter. Nice to meet you. No kidding. That's what happened.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So what are the pages where they found. Who are they?

[Scott Walter]

Well, okay, so what happened was I. Her name is Diana Muir. And I'm not going to take you through the whole story, but what she did was she. I went down to see her to view them.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Where?

[Scott Walter]

At the Mormon Temple in Nauvoo. She's Mormon, and she laid them out. I have videos. I took pictures. I was flummoxed, and Janet will know what that means.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Is this the Tennessee.

[Scott Walter]

I'm joking when I say flummox, but I was. No, seriously. I was like, oh, my God. Go ahead.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Were they in Tennessee? Is that.

[Scott Walter]

No, this is Illinois.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Illinois.

[Scott Walter]

Illinois.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And where did she find them?

[Scott Walter]

That's not where she got them. So the short story is she was doing genealogy on her own family, and she went all the way back to the early 1800s and realized. Well, late 1700s, and realized that one of her ancestors was a guy by the name of John Weems. We call him Junior because his father was also John Weems. We call him Senior. And she went to a small genealogical society in Tennessee, and she was doing research, and she asked about John Weems, and the guy said, well, I think we got something in the basement. They went down the basement, and there was a wooden chest that had been rescued from a fire in a church in that town back in 1880. When the church burned down, they rescued this thing. Inside was a saddlebag, and inside the saddlebag were these little paper notebooks and what she called a burrito, which was a lambskin map that was drawn by Antonio Zeno of Nova Scotia.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Of Nova Scotia.

[Scott Walter]

And where they buried the treasures.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oak island is in there.

[Scott Walter]

Oak island is in there. Yep. So I'm like, okay, let's work together. Right. I mean, I knew that this was big. Right. Well, she got nervous and threw them away.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, my goodness.

[Scott Walter]

Because she had a checkered past. And if she was caught. And how did she get them? She stole.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

She stole them.

[Scott Walter]

She realized that if the world knew about this, if the museum knew what they had, we would already know about it. Obviously, they didn't, because most of them were written in Latin and Old English. Latin, forget about it. Right. Have you ever looked at Old English?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

He can't read it.

[Scott Walter]

It's even worse.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's worse.

[Scott Walter]

The last. The last five books were written in modern English.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Did she take pictures before she threw them away?

[Scott Walter]

She did.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

And we have a lot of the stuff, and I took pictures of everything. I'm. I'm a lab guy. I'm anal retentive, you know? So I did a good job. I would. I still would like to go back and do it again, but. Anyway, so. But what she did was she used what she said, Bing Translate and Google Translate, and she translated. She took them. This was in 2005. She had him for about 10 years. And then she watched our show.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The TV show.

[Scott Walter]

She watched our show, TV Guy. And she heard us talking about Henry Sinclair. And in the Journal, she remembered a name. Henrique Santa Claro. And that's when she went and she translated everything. And she sent it to me and I read it and I nearly shit myself.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How did you know that?

[Scott Walter]

Oh, my God. This is the greatest story I've ever read.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How did you know they were real?

[Scott Walter]

I didn't know they were real.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How did you confirm that?

[Scott Walter]

It was too good to be true.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Of course it is.

[Scott Walter]

That's. What do you think I did for the last 10 years? That's why I waited till now to publish it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Until I was satisfied that it was more likely real than not. And there's some pretty interesting stuff in there that. She didn't write this. Nobody else wrote this. I mean, there's Masonic stuff, there's internal evidence, there's sacred numbers, symbols. The hooked X.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

We didn't get into that. Did you find the hooked X on the Kensington Runestone?

[Scott Walter]

I did.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's There, too, 22 times. Can you tell us what that is? Because that shows up everywhere.

[Scott Walter]

It does. Great question.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I just like this stuff.

[Scott Walter]

I love this stuff. So, okay, so going back to when I was doing the Runestone, do you remember I told you about the numbers and about the codes that we found and about the legend of Enoch and the Hebrew mysticism?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

Well, must be a coincidence. But we have numbers like 8, 22, 14, 10. 10.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

So must be a coincidence that There are exactly 22 hooked X's on the Kensington Runestone. There are exactly 10. The W runes, the W that the world has never seen, that the scholars said never existed. No donkeys. It just means you've never seen it. And you need to learn to say those three little words. What are they?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I don't know.

[Scott Walter]

Bingo.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

They can't do it. They can't say that.

[Scott Walter]

Well, they didn't say that. But isn't that an interesting coincidence?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Pseudoscience becomes science in a matter of time.

[Scott Walter]

Well, look, you can't deny these things.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You can't.

[Scott Walter]

Numbers are numbers, right? There are 14 individual pentatic numbers.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So what's the significance of 14. Why is that important?

[Scott Walter]

Well, in the Isis Osiris Mysteries, you know that when Osiris went to visit his jealous brother Set, who killed him and cut his body up into how many pieces?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

14 pieces.

[Scott Walter]

And how many stations of the cross are there?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

14 stations.

[Scott Walter]

Right. Bingo. Must be another coincidence.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No.

[Scott Walter]

Any case. So you get. You get what I'm talking. And this is. This predates the Runestone. 1362. Right.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I think this all goes back to Akhenaten in 1300 BC, millennia before the runestone.

[Scott Walter]

There are 8G ruins on the Runestone that are backwards with a dot that they'd never seen. So it's interesting that these numbers are singled out. It's also interesting that if you add 8 and 22, you get, what, 32 shelters? Two. How much? 32. One day's journey north from this stone. Scottish Rite degree system is. That's right, 33 degrees.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's right.

[Scott Walter]

Right. And let's talk more about those numbers. And one of the things that I do is I talk about the esoteric aspects of the Kensington Runestone. And to make it simple, just about all of us at one point in our life ask those big questions. What happens when I die? Is there a God? What is the meaning of life? Right. And we all sort of go on a spiritual journey. Some do it through organized religion, some do it different ways. Right. Some through Hebrew mysticism. But at the end of the day, what happens on that journey, it all comes back to you, right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It does to us. It's just us at the end.

[Scott Walter]

Do you know how many vertebrae you have in your spinal column?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, goodness. I'm gonna guess 33.

[Scott Walter]

Bingo.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I didn't know there was gonna be a biology exam.

[Scott Walter]

You didn't know this stuff, right? Come on.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I didn't know there was gonna be an exam.

[Scott Walter]

Do you know how many bones are in your skull?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

14. In the skull? No, 24.

[Scott Walter]

14 in your face.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

In the face. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Eight in your cranium for a total of 22. Oh, bingo.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Templars love their numbers.

[Scott Walter]

Those are the magic numbers, and they're on the kensington runestone. And 10, when I went through the Cryptic Council degrees on the way to the Knights Templar degree in Scottish Rite or in Grand Lodge Masonry, let's call it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And you're a Mason. You're a knight.

[Scott Walter]

I'm a knight. I'm a knight. But on the way, you go through what they call the Cryptic Council. There's three degrees in there, and the middle one is called the Select Master Degree. And it was in that degree. And just so people understand, when we do our degrees, it's made up of part theatrical performance, part lecture, and usually the white hats. The thirty thirds give. Give the lectures. And so in this particular degree, it's the legend of Enoch and the secret vault that's nine levels below the sanctum sanctorum.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wait, Enoch is in. In Freemasonry, of course. I didn't know that.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's fascinating.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. So in this degree, it's basically about the secret vault and the nine levels.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Do you know how when Enoch was introduced into Freemasonry? I'm trying to put a date line on.

[Scott Walter]

The Kensington Runestone is the oldest record of it now, because Dead Sea Scrolls, 15th century.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Because Dead Sea Scrolls is like 1966. So. Yeah, so they've been there a long time.

[Scott Walter]

A long time.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

So during the theatrical performance, they basically play out that it was decided that the three grandmasters. King Solomon, Hiram Abiff. Hiram, King of Tyre, where all the workers and the in the wood came, decided that they were going to build the secret vault where a copy of all the true treasures were kept that were up in the sanctum sanctorum. Right. And then there's a couple of guards and something happens, and some guy gets down there and somebody has to die. And there's a lot of blood read from blood and death. And I'm not really supposed to talk about it, but I'm giving you. I'm giving you enough so that you can. Yeah, I mean, I. If you want to read the degree, you can look it up online, but, you know, I. I want to stick to my vows to some degree.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I respect that.

[Scott Walter]

But then afterwards, a white hat gave the lecture, and at one point he said, and the other eight arches were built by 22 men from Gabel. And I went, 8 and 22. Those are the first two numbers on the Kensington Runestone. And I didn't hear another thing after that. And then after the degree was over, I went to my Masonic mentor, John Freeberg. One of the guys I told you about is on our team. I said, john, is there a ritual book for this? And he said, yes. I said, give me that. And I started reading. Oh, my God. Kensington Runestone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's in there.

[Scott Walter]

It's all there. And I wrote a paper on this. And to my knowledge, I'm the first person in history to make that connection. And the craft has accepted it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's true.

[Scott Walter]

And they've accepted the Runestone, in fact. And Janet's. Janet, I know, was part of this. But a few summers ago, our commandery had like a regional gathering and they asked me if I would lead a tour out to the Kensington Runestone Museum and to the farm that is now a Douglas county park dedicated to the Runestone. And so I did that and I. There was a lot of people there, a lot of people, and, you know, all my fellow Templar Knights and their families and, and other masons. And then they said, well, where does the Runestone found, Scott? I said, well, come on down the hill here a little bit. This is where the, the stoneholds triangulate. This is the spot. And right when we got there, the Grand Commander Jeff Nelson comes up. He said, well, and he starts talking and I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on here? And they presented me with the, the highest honor you can get in the Templar and a beautiful jewel and a metal.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And I didn't know that. What is that honor called?

[Scott Walter]

I forget now I got a picture. I, I don't remember. I just. It was, but it was given by the Grand Commander. In other words, they had accepted all the research and then the, the chaplain consecrated the ground where the runestone was.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What an experience by the Templars.

[Scott Walter]

When were they accepted as part of their history?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

When were united and what was. What's that experience?

[Scott Walter]

Like, which time?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

As a Templar, I've been.

[Scott Walter]

I'm in three different Templar orders.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Do you have to get knighted different for each order?

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. You go through a knighting in all three orders.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What can you tell us about what that happens there?

[Scott Walter]

It's amazing. It's amazing.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I'm picturing candles and robes and.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Really? Yeah. Well, there's definitely candles and there's, there's a ritual. Brother, I, I, I. There is what? There is one thing in Templarism that I cannot talk about, but when you go through that final degree, there are a lot of things that just suddenly fall into place.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I bet.

[Scott Walter]

And you're like, oh, now I get it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Templars have been passing down that knowledge since Atlantis. Is it continued to pass down through the Orders today?

[Scott Walter]

Yes. And what I will tell you is that in my personal opinion, most of the guys that go through these degrees have no idea what's really going on. And in many ways it really doesn't matter because one of the beautiful things about the Masonic system and about the degree system is you are preserving ancient knowledge through this ritual and through lectures. And even if you don't understand it, it doesn't matter. It's preserved.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right. Just protect it.

[Scott Walter]

And if you think about it, it's a brilliant system. It really is. Now, a lot of guys want to dig deeper. And what's interesting about what's happening today in Freemasonry, a lot of young people are turning away from religion, but they're asking those big questions. A lot of the things that you talk about on your show, the things that I've done, asked about, and they're just not getting the answers through the regular channels. Right. So they're. They're looking to things like masonry and. And I've turned a lot of people on to that, but a lot of guys will go through. And they just want to go through the line. They want to be the worshipful master and do all the jewels and all that. And that's great. And there's a wonderful tradition there. There. That's just not my jam. I'm a researcher. I want to understand what is the meaning behind the rituals that we're doing.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I agree.

[Scott Walter]

Where does that go back to and what does it all mean? And I will tell you that it is freaking profound. And it goes all the way back to the Templars. It goes back to Jesus and Mary and John the Baptist, Egyptians, the Atlanteans. It's all part of the same tradition.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Do you want to take us there? Where do we go next?

[Scott Walter]

Talk about Henry Sinclair? So we talked a little bit about the journals. And so what I did is I spent 10 years vetting these journals. And then last year, I decided I was ready. And all I did was the first thing I do is I attack the elephant in the room. Diana. Because everyone's gonna go, I'm glad you do this. You gotta do it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You have to do it.

[Scott Walter]

You can't sit there and dance around and, you know, it's. Look, it's uncomfortable sometimes to. You know, we've all had those moments where you. You have to have that talk with your son or your daughter. Right. Yes. You're not looking forward to. But you got to do it. You do and you do it. So we talk about her, and she was very forthcoming. She admits she stole them. And frankly, I'm glad she did. Otherwise they'd still be sitting in there, and who knows when they would be found.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

And realized. Right. So we. We do that. And then another copy of the journals showed up.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

They did.

[Scott Walter]

They did. They did.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Where did those come from?

[Scott Walter]

Well, she actually tracked it down, because what she did is she followed the lines of John Weems Jr. Who had, like, 10 kids. And what we found out is after his death, Right before the Civil War, they were all Masons and a cousin, I think, two cousins, and one of the sons recopied, and they went down their lines. And so we were able to get a copy from that line. And what happened was John Alston Weems or James ALSTON Weems in 1885. So this would be about John Weems. John Weems Jr. Died in 1812. So we're talking, what, 70 years later, 73 years later. He has a copy of the journals, but they're in the old language. So he asked a nun to translate him. She was a. She was formerly trained in Montreal, which is French.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right, Right.

[Scott Walter]

But she was formally trained by the Catholic Church in Latin. And so she did her own translation. And that was done in 1885, and it was recopied. And what we have is a modern copy. Now, if you have a person who has a copy of Those journals from eight from 1885, who's formally trained in Latin, would you expect those translations to be exactly like Diana's, who used modern translation programs on the Internet?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Probably not identical.

[Scott Walter]

And if they were, that's a problem.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's a problem. Yep.

[Scott Walter]

They're not even close.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

They're not even close.

[Scott Walter]

Well, the essence of the messages are exactly the same.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Scott Walter]

But the phrasing is different. Words are different. She sneaks in some French words because she lived in Montreal, like grand Paris, which is. And I'm not. I'm not saying that route correctly, but it's a word for grandparents, and that's not in Diana's. So that actually breathes authenticity into the. The document. But in any case, it's the same story. So what I do is I published Diana's translation and then in italics, I do Sister Harkins translation and then highlighted or is my commentary.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And this is in your book?

[Scott Walter]

This is in the book. Okay, so just for fun, can we read a couple of passages?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I'm ready.

[Scott Walter]

Okay. So when Earl Henry Sinclair was eight years old, the very first entry, his father. He writes about how his father. And eight is a very important number. Remember?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

Eight Goths.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Eight Goths.

[Scott Walter]

And he says, I want. He gave me this book to write down things I will remember when I am a man. And he writes religiously throughout his life, and we learn everything about his life, and it's an amazing life, let me tell you. He becomes the Earl of Orkney and a lot of crazy stuff. But anyway, so what he does is he's also a vassal to the Norwegian king as the Earl of Orkney, because they were under the rule of the. Of the Norwegian king at that time. And so he has to go to Norway periodically and report.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So this is when, like late 14th century.

[Scott Walter]

Well, the first entry he makes is in 1353, when he's eight years old. So he was born in 1345. Then he. This particular time he goes UP is in 1368, which is about six years after the runestone was carved. And he finds out when he's having dinner with the king and a bunch of people that there was a guy who recently came back from the Western lands. North America.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Where is that written? That's in the journals. Yes, but I thought you told me Christopher Columbus discovered America.

[Scott Walter]

I never said that. You shut up. I did not say that. That I knew that was coming. Okay. So he learns from this guy. It reminds him that. About a party that left Norway in 1358. And he's. He heard about them, but he doesn't know what happened to them. So he says in one of his journals, I got to go back and talk to the Brethren and find out the older guys. Right? Yeah. So he writes in July 26. This is about two months after he gets back from Norway. July 26, 1368. I have spoken with the Brethren regarding my concerns for the men who have traveled to the Western Banks in the spring of 1358. No word has been received from them, but Brother Cameron has said that none is expected. They were instructed to find suitable land for settlement. Boom.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Land claim.

[Scott Walter]

Right on.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

And that more would follow.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

More what would follow?

[Scott Walter]

More Templars.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

More Templars are coming. They were establishing New Atlantis.

[Scott Walter]

New Atlantis. They were instructed to find suitable land for settlement. That more would follow. He acknowledged that they were men of the craft and included monks with herbal knowledge.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So Freemasonry, alchemy, and the monks with

[Scott Walter]

alchemy and obviously legend of Enoch knowledge.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

Runestone. Earlier we figure out who it was. His name was Father Richards. But I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. Today. Because of the political unrest in Scotland, no additional Brethren have been sent. It might be several years before another journey can be planned. So in 1395 and 1398, Earl Henry takes eight ships loaded with treasures to the Western lands. And then he went again in 1398.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Were these the Templar treasures, temperate treasures

[Scott Walter]

that were hidden in. We. Oh, we learn all about where they were hidden, and we know what happened after they left. Laura Shell.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So hang on. Let's catch everybody up. These are the treasures that King Philip the Fair wanted, and they were missing yes.

[Scott Walter]

So when the arrest order came down on October 13, 1307, the agents of the church immediately went to the treasury at the headquarters of the Knights Templar in Paris, opened the doors, and it was empty. Then they went up to Laura Shell, where there were 18 ships that were parked there, loaded. Well, some of them were loaded with treasure. And when the agents went up there, they were gone, too. So they disappeared into history. And people have speculated ever since. This tells us exactly what happened.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Are we going to learn what the items actually were?

[Scott Walter]

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[Scott Walter]

The obligation after Earl Henry came, came over was passed down to his son and grandson and five generations of the Sinclairs is you were to visit the western lands twice in your lifetime. Once with your father, once with your son, to make sure that treasures were safe. It's important to note, too, that starting with Earl Henry, they formed a deep spiritual bond with the natives, who basically bonded through ritual. The natives practice freemasonry just like we do. Exactly the same. Funny about that, huh? Most people don't know that I've been in their sweats and I had to earn the right to ask my questions.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

They say that knowledge came from somewhere else.

[Scott Walter]

They've been doing it for tens of thousands of years, all the way back to you know who.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

So the natives know.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

And basically. And intermarriage. They also bonded through intermarriage. But essentially what the native said to Earl Henry and his descendants was, you are our brothers. Gold and silver mean nothing to us. If you want us to guard these treasures for you, we'll do it. So every time they came back to check on them, they met with the natives, they broke bread, they shared rituals, and a lot of those knights stayed. In fact, in 1398, 120 Knights Templar said, we've been excommunicated. The plague is ravaging in Europe. You know what? I think we're going to try our chances over there. You know, those native women, they're pretty cute.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Where did those Templars end up?

[Scott Walter]

North America.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

North America.

[Scott Walter]

So not only did they leave the treasures, they brought the bloodline.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, boy.

[Scott Walter]

And put it in the natives. But that's another story.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Any case, they put the bloodline in the natives.

[Scott Walter]

Why do you think there was so much genocide?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah. Committed by Catholics. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

A lot more to the story, isn't it?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, there is.

[Scott Walter]

So we go through all the five generations of the Sinclairs we get, and the journals pass from the Sinclairs to the Weems, because the later generations were not good guys. Catherine Sinclair. Interesting that a goddess made the transfer to her husband, who was James Weems. The Weems clan were shipping barons then and they still are to this day. So they had the means to go over and check on the treasures. Right. So for nine out of 10 generations, the Weems family went over and checked on the treasures. We get to the 10th generation, which is John Weems Jr. Who receives a note from his father. He said, you need to come see me right away. It's very important. Get here as soon as you can. And he writes in his journal, by the way, he was the most prolific writer. He said, my father's never asked me to do something like this before. I need to get up there right away. John Weems Jr. Fought in three wars. The French and Indian wars, the revolution, and I forget the other one. And he was deeded land by the government in Tennessee. That's how he got to Tennessee. Oh, that's originally in North Carolina, when he got dismissive when he was 28 years old.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's why Tennessee factors in. He was gifted. Exactly. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Exactly. So he goes to visit his father, who lives in Abington, Pennsylvania, which is about 20 minute drive north of Philadelphia. And he says, son, and it turns out his father was really bad gout. He would die two years later in 1771. But this is 1769. He said, you're to go with these two older men up to Nova Scotia to check on the treasures, and then when you're done, come back. His father couldn't go with him. So they go up there, they Check on the treasures. On the way back, John is having doubts about the story. And he's reading the journals. His father gives him the journals to read.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

He's having doubts. Doesn't he see the treasure?

[Scott Walter]

Well, no. They see where it's buried. It's in the ground. Oh. But they see piles of rocks, they see inscribed stones. They see who knows what else, what all. And he's like descended from, you know, kings in Scotland. This is crazy. So you know what the older guys did? What? They took him to the Newport Tower.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Newport Tower.

[Scott Walter]

John was an engineer and he was fascinated with how the building was. The windows were in the cardinal points and aligned to the, you know, the astronomical. He caught all that.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So to catch everybody up, that's the round. That's the windmill. Right. The Benedict Arnold windmill.

[Scott Walter]

You stop it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That for some reason is round and for some reason aligns with the solstice.

[Scott Walter]

I get like this when you say windmill, man. But you obviously know about the tower. You know it was built by the Templars and it's mentioned in here. There. It's mentioned in here. I mean. Anyway, so he comes back and he's convinced when the tower convinced him for some reason. So he comes back to his father and his father, they've been gone for like two months. And he said, son, the political situation has changed. You need to go back and round up more men and you're going to go recover those treasures next year. So he does that. He rounds up 46 Freemasons, young men and six slaves. Now, I'm going to ask you a question. Do you know what the word manumission means?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes. To liberate a slave.

[Scott Walter]

Damn. Nobody gets that, right. Oh, I didn't know what that was. I learned about it in the journals.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So what. What did they do with this?

[Scott Walter]

So those six slaves that went up and helped recover their treasures were freed when they got back for their service.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Scott Walter]

So 46 men and six slaves go to Abington where there was a special meeting. It was like the rah rah speech before they took off. Remember, they're going into British territory.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right, right.

[Scott Walter]

And so.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And this is about what, like 1770? 70.

[Scott Walter]

1770.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay. So it's dangerous.

[Scott Walter]

So that it's. Yeah. So listen to this. This entry was written by John Weems Jr. May 6, 1770. And it's. It'll. It'll speak for itself. My father having been raised to the status of master Mason and the 46th British Regiment, I had to go to Canada to vet this. And that's another story in itself. I looked at all the Templar records going back to his times. He was a temple. His father, 46 British Regiment, presided over the meeting which was attended by William Ball of Philadelphia and Benjamin Franklin, the former Provincial Grand Master of Pennsylvania. And that is correct. That timing is correct. Now, anybody could have found that. But everything fits. Right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is a lot. It's a big hoax if it's a hoe. There's a lot of information.

[Scott Walter]

Too much detail.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right, right. That.

[Scott Walter]

That. That fits. The Brethren gathered in the schoolhouse and for three hours were impressed upon by the presiding Brethren the importance of their mission. We were each divided into groups of five and each group was named after the ship of Earl Henry's that brought the treasures. Which is kind of cool.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

And told to embrace each other in the coming journey and learn to trust and depend upon each other as it would become vitally important in our task. The presiding Brethren also imparted their knowledge of current political events and told us that it was immensely important that the Templar treasure find its way back to the Grand Lodge to assist in the oncoming war.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Revolutionary War is funded by Templars by Templar treasure.

[Scott Walter]

That's how I interpret it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's what it sounds like. It was financed by somebody.

[Scott Walter]

Well, one of my friends. John Freeberg, I think I told you about him. Him. Did a little research into the financing of the Revolutionary War. And there was one particular brother who. I can't remember his name, that put up a lot of the money. But John says he could only account for 60 of the 160 million that was spent on the war. Where did that other 100 million come from? I think we might know.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

Because we looked into all this. We would soon lose control of the territory in Nova Scotia and the Brethren feared it would be lost if not retrieved straight away. They also reiterated that secrecy was of the utmost important and that we would always be surrounded by British troops and subjects who might report our every move. Brother Franklin reminded us that no matter what our political or religious leanings, our loyalty to the Brethren was most important. We must honor our commitment and remember our vows or the burgeoning nation of free men might never come to pass. I don't know about you, but I get chills every time.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Absolutely.

[Scott Walter]

After a brief supper was served and prayers were said, we left to return to our bunks in Abington, knowing that the future of the nation lay in our hands. I prayed that I would be a capable leader and said as much to my father. He responded that leaders are not born they are created. The Lord would guide me in my journey. I must only have faith in him as he does in me. Father made the sign of a cross on my forehead with his thumb and gave me his blessing. I leave with a lighter heart.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's very. That's lovely.

[Scott Walter]

I was, like, in tears the first time I read that. I'm like Franklin Brother.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

Why didn't you tell us? I mean, but nobody knew about that. Nobody could know, right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Most of the founding fathers were masons, weren't they?

[Scott Walter]

53 of the 56 signers.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So do you think they knew about this?

[Scott Walter]

Hell, yes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Do you think they.

[Scott Walter]

Are you kidding me? Of course they did. If Ben Franklin knew. George knew Thomas Jefferson.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

George May. Well, George Mason was rating. Listen, so. So you know where George Mason island is?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

Theodore Roosevelt Island. Right. So you and Tim must have talked about this.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

We didn't. You didn't know. So please.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, press. Look at you. July 14th, 1770. They're back. And actually, you know who captained the ship? It was a Weems. He was a Brit.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

He was a Brit.

[Scott Walter]

But his.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

But his vow.

[Scott Walter]

Loyalty to the Brethren was most important.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

And it was. It was his cousin John's cousin, and he's. They brought everything back and kept their mouth shut. It has taken the greater part of the day to transfer all the. All the cargo up the Potomac river to Mason's island that is now Theodore Roosevelt island, which sits right behind. What monument is that?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Behind Jefferson?

[Scott Walter]

Lincoln.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Lincoln. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Right by the river there, Right where that helicopter crashed. Remember that? The collision.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep. I think Mason's monument is over there somewhere, though.

[Scott Walter]

Oh, it's. It's. It's behind Thomas Jefferson.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Behind Jefferson.

[Scott Walter]

They call him the Forgotten Founder. Oh, George Mason. Yeah. Yep. Surprised at them.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, do you want to. Do you got to tell them why he's the forgotten founder?

[Scott Walter]

Well, he's. He's called the Forgotten Founder because you don't hear about him. But he was the one that wrote the Bill of Rights, and I think it was the Constitution. You know, the part of the Constitution that was actually for the state of Virginia.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

And Thomas Jefferson used that as a template plate.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's exactly right.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. So. But anyway, he was also one that would not sign the Bill of Rights unless there was a provision put in there that basically said that everybody is born with certain inalienable rights. Did you know that?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I didn't know that.

[Scott Walter]

And that goes back to Parsifal, where it's first mentioned that every human being is born with certain inalienable rights. And he wouldn't sign it until they put a provision in the that said

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

that the Church doesn't like that either.

[Scott Walter]

Well, too bad. I was enlisted by Brother Hansen to inventory the cargo as was placed in the vault and was surprised at the amount of treasure we had recovered. The inventory was given to Brother Mason upon completion, so I do this from memory.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Hold on. Are we going to.

[Scott Walter]

No. Maybe we should just stop.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No. Hold on.

[Scott Walter]

Are you ready for this?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

Buckle up, because here we go.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So, forget Oak Island. There's nothing there.

[Scott Walter]

Nope. It's gone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

In total, there are more than 40 chests of coin, 25 gold crucifixes of varying sizes, 12 menorah of varying sizes, numerous parchments and paintings kept in tubes of crushed lime and clay. Only a few, only a very few of them have been opened to the weather, and all seem in good repair. There are also six arks made of gold and silver of various sizes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

We mean, like Ark of the Covenant.

[Scott Walter]

Arks spelled Ark, okay? That's how I interpret it. So you know what that means, right? I think most people listening are going to go six arcs. What are you talking about? Right. Well, the secret of the Ark isn't where it is. It's how to make one. And you know how to make. You know who knows how to make one? Our boy, Tim Hogan.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Tim knows how to make an ark? Yeah, I knew he's an alchemist. I didn't know he was an ark builder.

[Scott Walter]

I'm sorry if I wasn't supposed to say anything.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Tim, they're gonna revoke your award.

[Scott Walter]

3 heavily decorated with filigree and winged creatures.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, my goodness. So this is the cherubim on the ark?

[Scott Walter]

Yes. Four stone boxes that contain remnants of bone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, my goodness.

[Scott Walter]

A stone box of broken stone tablets.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I mean, you can't make this. I mean, I guess you could.

[Scott Walter]

No. You could, but you can't. Right. An emerald tablet. Several bloodied swords and lances, two of which are broken. One stone box contains flasks of mysterious substances. Alchemy.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

But I am reluctant to ask what magical solutions they contain. Several casks of jewels and numerous other gold and silver artifacts fill the empty space. It was late evening before we closed the door to the vault, which was then sealed with mortar made of crushed lime and shells. The entrance was then covered with soil and made invisible to those who know not where it lay. Day. A group of 10 and 14 Masons encircled the tomb. And we bless the vault and ask Heavenly Father to bless and protect this place against Time and ravages and greed of war. Cousin James left under the. Anyway, that's getting into the details now. Let me ask you a question. Why 10 and 14?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I was going to ask you is a strange way to say that.

[Scott Walter]

Aren't those numbers on the Kensington rimstone?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, that's right.

[Scott Walter]

Why didn't he just say 24?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I don't know. Templars do this.

[Scott Walter]

There's a reason. And he called it a tomb. I did not catch that at first. First time I read this, I was so flabbergasted. Four stone boxes with remnants of bone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Are those the bones that we're talking about?

[Scott Walter]

I honestly don't know. But of course they are. I mean, why else would they bring them over, Right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I would love to test those bones against what's in Talpia.

[Scott Walter]

We've already.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Have you done that?

[Scott Walter]

No.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Not yet. But I will say that if bones, or maybe, let's say they found a skull, could we test that against known entities that came out of, like, say, the Talpiot tomb? Could they have done the DNA already? And could we test it? I'd say yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Has it been done? I can't confirm nor deny what you said.

[Scott Walter]

Not. Not yet.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Not yet. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Okay. So that's that. This is the greatest story. Seriously. Templar tale never told. This is like. This is like national treasure on steroids.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Good luck getting it. It sold out. I couldn't get it.

[Scott Walter]

We'll get more, we'll print more. But I mean, I am now and then I have a final chapter where I talk about. I called it analysis. And I'm just going to give you one minor little example. That is nothing. That says a lot. In one of the entries, when they're over here, they talk about a big furry animal that cuts down trees with a large flat tail.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Beavers.

[Scott Walter]

Beavers. The entry was made in 16. Something. This is. This is John Weems Jr. I think. Or, no, it was the generation before that. What I found out is that beavers were hunted out in, like, the 14th century.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's true.

[Scott Walter]

In the British Isles. They were reintroduced in 2004. So beavers are in Scotland and England now. But in 1665, that's when it was, when he wrote that entry. He didn't know what the hell that was.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

He didn't know what kind of animal that was.

[Scott Walter]

He didn't know because he didn't have them over there.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

For like 300 years. But now they have them now. Something like that is so innocuous, but yet huge.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Those are the Details that really sell it for me. Those little, like, the two lances were broken. Like, he's just covering.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Like, look.

[Scott Walter]

But I found. Broken. The swords. Broken, Right. Bloodied and broken. There was stain on them or something. But there's. There's all kinds. And 10 and 14. Why? I mean, stuff like that, that just. If you're a four, you don't know this stuff, right. And you start getting into the sacred numbers that are the Fibonacci sequence. 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, and then, you know, 22 and 26, which is 2 times 13. And when you understand the sacredness of these. Not many people know this, and yet this is what they're doing because it's honoring deity. It's honoring the goddess. What's also interesting about that entry that nobody would know is that throughout the journals, they talk about the goddess blessing, getting the blessing of the Goddess. They rarely talk about the heavenly father. The only time that they mention here is when it's associated with death.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's interesting.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, it is. They don't mention the goddess, so the goddess's life. Bingo.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

And that's why they. They always use the sacred numbers. Now, some people know that now because we've been talking about it, but did

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

you realize that agates were based around the sacred numbers when you were hunting them?

[Scott Walter]

Of course I didn't. No, I didn't at first, but I do now. I mean, it's everywhere. It's the key to life in the universe.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I agree. Let's take a quick break, and then we'll come back and we'll do.

[Scott Walter]

Do you want to do the green jar?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

We need to get to the green jar.

[Scott Walter]

I don't care if you do or not. We're doing it. We're doing it. I'll be right back.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The green jar. Do we.

[Scott Walter]

It's time.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Is this the big reveal?

[Scott Walter]

You know what?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

But it's okay if it's not.

[Scott Walter]

No, I think. I think this. This is the big reveal. And, I mean, I need to give you a little bit of context. I do want to just do one thing if it's okay. AJ as we go through this, you know, we're having a really good time. And again, I want to thank you again for having me on. This has been. I'm having a blast. I don't want it to end. I want to keep going. But, you know, as much fun as we're having, you know, I just want people to understand that what we're doing here is we're not trying to Go after anybody. We're not trying to attack anybody's faith. I'm not trying to make a point. We've been doing this research, I've been on this path, and it led us to finding this jar. And I'm going to tell you the story. And it's about some of the most important things to a lot of people. And I just want people to understand I'm not here to try to offend anybody. I'm not trying to attack anybody's faith. I just presenting the information. I'm certainly welcome to have my own opinion, but I'm not trying to project anything. I'm just. We found it and here's what it

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

says, and I think that's. That's good enough. So if people can do their own research, they can believe what they want to believe. We're not here to change mind things.

[Scott Walter]

Yep.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You just follow the evidence.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. And it's a great story.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's a great story. It's, you know, it's a treasure hunt, so.

[Scott Walter]

All right, well, let me give you a little bit of context. So, in 2006, I was at a conference on the east coast near a conference, New England Antiquities Research association. And I gave a lecture. And then afterwards, I was introduced by a woman named Zena Halpern, who was a good friend to a guy named Don Roux. Six foot eight, guy who has a voice like this. So if I talk like him, I can't help it. But anyway, very interesting guy. And he asked me if I would help him with some field work. And in 2008, myself, Steve Sinclair, my son Grant, and a guy, another friend and researcher by the name of Dave Brody, went up. Up into the Catskill Mountains and to help Don with some research. And we found some carvings up there. Theban letters carved in the rocks and an inscribed stone. We found an inscribed stone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Scott Walter]

Had the latitude and longitude of Montreal. It had some interesting symbols carved on it on the backside, which we now know are a tenit symbol, which is the ancient goddess of the Phoenicians and something called the wilted rose of the house of the Magdalene. I didn't know what those symbols were at the time, but I do now. Where.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How did you date this stone? What age is this?

[Scott Walter]

We aren't really sure, but it probably dates back to about sometime in the 17th century. Okay, not that old. Not super old. In any case. I got to know Don, and I came to realize kind of along with him that he worked for an agency starting in 1961 until it was dissolved in 1994. That did work for our military. They were paid to do certain work. And I'm supposed to say he didn't

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

tell you what kind of work, you know what kind of work he did?

[Scott Walter]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You can't say.

[Scott Walter]

I can't really go into all of it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I understand.

[Scott Walter]

I don't want to upset Don. Don's 83 years old and you know,

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

let's not upset Don.

[Scott Walter]

I don't want to upset Don. But anyway, his best friend was a guy by the name of Bill Jackson who after he got out of serving in Korea needed a job. So Don got him involved in the in with this agency. So they started working together. 1 and they lived in New York in the Bronx. And one of the things that they used to do and in 1968 they went up the Hudson river to a place called Bannerman Island. Francis Bannerman was an arms dealer who would sell to both the north and the south during the Civil War. And then his son sold to people leading up to the first World War. It's an interesting story, but he was a Scottish arms to sailor. And what they did was in 1916 the. I think, don't quote me on these dates, but 1916, Francis Bannerman IV died. Fourth or sixth, I forget now. And then two years later the munitions that were stored on the island blew up. So all this stuff went into the water, Hudson river, around the island. Don and Bill and his buddies would go up there and scuba dive and snorkel and get the munitions, take them to the Bronx and pawn it for money. Well, while they were up there, Don was over on the eastern shore, which is only about a quarter mile. It's close to the eastern shore, right where the railroad goes by. And he found a couple of decorative ornaments that had blown off the island and he gave them to his friend Bill because his wife was a gardener and she used him in her garden. A year later their five year old son pulled the top top ball of this decorative ornament and realized that it opened and Bill opened it. And inside was a clay tube, 4 inches long, inch in diameter, sealed with beeswax. Inside were two parchments that were encrypted in Theban and had a very controversial message. The other thing that was inside there was a brass hockey punch shaped device that was actually a navigation device. And inside were metal inserts. On one of those metal inserts was the word Antiora. Ontiora is the ancient name of North America. Bill did a bunch of research, traveled to France and he bought a book that had the word antiora in it. And basically this book was European languages that have Native American words in them. And the word ontiora was in this book. It was published in 1715. What Bill Jackson then did was chase down the descendants of the two authors. Rochefoucauld and Benvenuto eventually met the. The descendant of Benvenuto in Rome who had a document that was referenced inside that paper that we now call the Cremona document. And it was offered to Bill and he bought it. Bill did not tell Don everything about his research. One of the things we know that he bought was an encrypted story about a 12th century mission of six ships with 144 men and women, led by a Templar knight by the name of Sir Ralph de Sudeley. Look up his brother. He did something very famous. But anyway, he was to lead these people to North America to a place that we know now is in the Catskill Mountains, where we were hiking up on in 2008 and nine, a place called the Temple of the Goddess, where ancient biblical era scrolls were hidden. And de Suddeley's mission was to go and recover those scrolls and bring them back to Europe. He left in 1177. Who assigns him

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

that mission Grand Master. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

On the way, he stopped in Denmark and picked up their navigator, a woman by the name of. Of Altamara. I think she was indigenous because she knew exactly how to get to the temple. How would she know that? Because that's where she came from.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

On the way there. Rounding the southern coast of Newfoundland, one of their ships hit rocks. It was unable to be fixed. They salvaged. They salvaged everything, towed it out and scuttled. Scuttled it. They marked the location in the Cremona document. Bill got that part of the document and he said, let me take this part and I'll be back. And then he called Don, said, hey, Don, I want to go scuba diving up in Newfoundland. Don never married, never had kids, never had an excuse. But as Don said, Bill said the magic words, I'll pay. So they went up there to dive the shipwreck, and they found the ship. Wow. It's all in the book I'm writing right now, and it's amazing stuff. Anyway, that convinced Bill that the story was true. He went back to Rome and he bought it in 1971, and they were up there in 71. So for the next 20 something years, Bill was doing everything he could in the field to try to find stuff. We now know. We now know. And he would always bring Don with him. And Don would hear things, but he didn't. He didn't know what was going on. In 1994, Bill, who was a medical doctor, realized he was dying of arterial sclerosis and Parkinson's disease, and he sold the document to the Vatican.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, no.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, that's what I said.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, no.

[Scott Walter]

Bill was no fool. In 2013, one of the other guys that worked in the agency called Don and said, hey, I've got some 35 millimeter film that Bill gave me. Do you want this undeveloped Bill, or. Don said, of course. Photographs of everything.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, thank God.

[Scott Walter]

Then in 2017, Jan and I were driving back from the east coast and we just happened to stop and see Don and I go in there and I said, I want to get a drink of water. I go in the kitchen, I look, and I see a picture of Don with Rick Lagina, another guy from the Curse of Oak island show. I said, what the hell? I said, were those guys here? He said, yes. I said, what the hell they want? He said, they left me a contract. You read it. You're in the TV business. You tell me. So I'm reading this thing and I go, oh, this is great, Don. They want all your artifacts, they want all your documents. They're not going to pay you anything, but they're going to let you be on the show for your 15 minutes of fame. This is a great contract. I'd sign it right away. Well, I'm not signing that. Well, how about signing mine?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You did.

[Scott Walter]

I did. We signed a deal right there. I still can't believe that. And then he hands me a manila envelope, and I open the manila envelope, and there's a letter from Bill Jackson's daughter, Melissa. Basically, she said she's got a letter from her father from 1996. And she basically, he says, I'm giving you this stuff because I don't want your mother to get it. His wife hated all this research. And he said, if your mother gets it, she'll throw it away. If anything happens to me, get this to Don. Well, Bill died in 2000, so obviously Melissa forgot. But in 2017, she found it and she mailed it to Don. And that letter was in there. And she wrote a letter and, you know, said, dad told me, I'm sorry, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, what was in there?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What?

[Scott Walter]

Page one of the year. We remember that story of the subtly going over to recover, and he got half the scrolls, and he wintered over half the actual scrolls that were at the temple of the Goddess. This is this is 1179.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Scott Walter]

And then they wintered over it, they sailed back, and then 1180, he gave his deposition in front of the Grand Master and agents of the Church. They each made copies. That's what we got. But he said one of the most. The most important document that he was able to recover was the marriage document of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow. The marriage document.

[Scott Walter]

And that was in 1180. So half the scrolls are still there. So now Melissa gives us this sheet, and it's filled with Theban.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What's Theban?

[Scott Walter]

Theban is. It's a. An Alphabet, a secret Alphabet that was used by the Templars that was developed sometime around 1250, we think. Any case, a lot of the documents that we would end up getting are in Theban. And you're going to see some Theban today. So anyway, that first page also had a cipher phrase at the top that it turns out you have to have to be able to decipher any of the Theban in Bill's notes. He basically told the Church that the first page was missing. That was a lie. Yeah. So guess what? He sold the Church a worthless document. Boom. I love this guy. Now we're starting to learn what he really did. Long story short, over the course of the last almost. It'll be nine years, half a dozen of the colleagues that Bill and Don worked with in this agency, this company, have died. And we know what Bill did. He disseminated the most important parts of the document to his colleagues with strict instructions upon their deaths. This material was to go to Don Roo. Why Don? Well, the third one we got was a letter written from Bill to John Lennon. Not that John Lennon. John Lennon was with the agency, but he was also with Scotland Yard. And whenever they would go to the British Isles, he was the liaison that they would meet up with. And he and Bill were good friends, so he gave him some stuff. But in the letter, he said, Don and I were childhood friends. He is my best friend. He was the only one that took my research seriously. So I. And he was the youngest of the Spartan personnel, so he's probably going to outlive us. And that's exactly what's happened. He's the last man standing.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Does he have all the material? Is it now all accounted for? It is.

[Scott Walter]

Okay, so now you know what Bill did. In 2022, Janet and I and Don went into the woods in the Upper Adirondacks, and we went. Hold that thought. In 1656, we have a letter that was written by Lionel de Walder. In the 23rd, his name shows up in earlier documents. Remember this bloodline stuff we were talking about?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I do, for sure. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

He writes a letter that says, flatlanders and Hollanders, Dutch people are moving into the area. We got to get the stuff out of here. And then he lists all the documents that they still had at the temple that were hidden in North America. One of them is something called the Book of the wars of the Lord, which is mentioned in numbers.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is a. This is allegedly a lost book of the Bible.

[Scott Walter]

Yes, but no extant copy is known to exist today. That's not true. We have two parts.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You have that book.

[Scott Walter]

Remember those pictures?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

That's what the Vatican wanted.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Of course they did.

[Scott Walter]

Because in the Book of the wars, the Lord, which we now have, Bill gave to us in his weird way. There are two things that are problematic. We can read them if you want, but I'll just tell you what's.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Tell us what's in there.

[Scott Walter]

What's problematic. One is. That deity has an equal male female counterpart. She is mentioned and she is powerful.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's problematic.

[Scott Walter]

That's a problem.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

The second part is aliens.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

In. In that book. How. What do they say about aliens? How are they described?

[Scott Walter]

I am the goddess, and I do battle for the sons of dod. Dan. Sons of Dan. I'm trying to pull it up from my head. You will leave this place, for I do battle for the sons of Dan. And they kept marching. And then she calls down a silver beast with wings like a bird that spat lightning bolts into the water. And the horses of the chariots died. And the men shook as with palsy and died because they entered the shallows of the water. But we in the other part of the Book of the wars of the Lord, and in one of the encrypted messages, this name keeps turning up.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The angel K. The angel K. I'm not familiar with that.

[Scott Walter]

Well, in one of the encrypted messages, it says, I saw the lights again. The right one descended upon my winter lodge, and there stood the likeness of Amman, not a man. This is in Scripto Continua, but it's a M O N. I kept trying to make it an A, but Janet said it's a freaking O and it's a no. I'm on. He spake in. Oh, I. I saw around him, around his eyes, a light blue color. He spake into me in the tongue of the people. He said, can ye understand me? I said, yea, but yet that's not my native tongue. So he switched telepathy wow. And so he sends him on a mission. Now, remember I told you about the letter where they got to get the stuff out of there?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

They took it to Montreal, hence the stone we found. And lots of messages that tell us that's what they did. But on the way up through the Adirondacks, they diverted and they buried the Book of the wars, the Lord in a different place. That was in 16 something. This message I just gave you was in 1898. And of course I thought the Runestone was going to show.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right, of course.

[Scott Walter]

What had nothing to do with the Runestone, but that's what it says. And what the angel K told the scribe at the time who was updating the Templar records. And he finished that job in 1908. That's what the. That's what all this is. It's the last update. He said, get the Book of the wars, the Lord. And he sent him on the mission to go get it and he got it and he gave it to the angel K, who said, the book is no longer amongst the world of men. Which begs the question, why did the aliens take. Take it back? Because in 1898, was the world ready for a dual gendered God religion?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No.

[Scott Walter]

Was the world ready for aliens?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Nope.

[Scott Walter]

If you Google right now, Book of the War is the Lord. I just told you what it said. There is no extant copy. We have two parts and this is what's in it. And that's why they took it back. So of course that freaked me out.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

When? Because I'm a science guy. Right. And I'm not saying. Well, I've been dealing with this for several years now because I was approached by the government. I. You heard about that, right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No. You were approached by the government?

[Scott Walter]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

To do what?

[Scott Walter]

Help with disclosure.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, don't take that. Don't take that gig.

[Scott Walter]

After this, I'll tell you the story.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Did not end well.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I'm glad I would. Don't take that gig.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

In any case, even as a scientist, a silver beast and the thing is shooting fire. It could only be one thing.

[Scott Walter]

The first time I gave a lecture and I talked about it this about three years ago, almost three years ago now I'm with a group of people that are open minded. And I said, people, help me. This is not my jam, okay? This isn't what I do. And they're all laughing.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Scott, it's right there. It's right there.

[Scott Walter]

Look. Yes. It took me a while to go there because I did not see this stuff that I'VE been working on with Don since I met him. Him in 2006.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That reluctance is important to us, though, that you don't just jump on the next theory.

[Scott Walter]

Well, I've jumped now.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I know.

[Scott Walter]

Because I have no choice.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

Because I can't interpret it any other way. But there's more. Okay, there's more. Okay, so now let's go forward. At one point, we went to that place to look for the scroll before we got the message that told us that it was gone. But there was some stuff there. We found a cool little treasure of coins and crosses, and that's a whole nother story.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Templar treasure.

[Scott Walter]

Yep.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay, you have that?

[Scott Walter]

We do.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Can you show the world that or no?

[Scott Walter]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

That we were gonna reveal it in the book, but, you know, we'll do that maybe another time.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's cool stuff. Really cool stuff. Stuff. Tim just goes that I didn't even know that one cross with the symbols on it. He goes, yeah. He said, that's my signature. And I looked at his signature. Sure enough, it was there.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep. Tim knows everything about this, so.

[Scott Walter]

And we were walking out, and Janet and I and Don were walking out of the woods, and it's. It's kind of rugged back there. There's nothing out there. No houses, no roads, way the far. And I said to Don, is there anyone left? Any more of your colleagues? Well, McMasters is living, but he and Bill didn't get along. He wouldn't give him anything. Then he sat there for a minute and he goes, bill had a girlfriend.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh.

[Scott Walter]

As it turns out, she died two years previous. But she gave everything to her cousin who goes simply by the name Roberta. She doesn't want us using her name. Don found her about four months later, and that's a cool story. And she had a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What did she have? And what?

[Scott Walter]

Including this message.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay, that's wild. What is this?

[Scott Walter]

Well, that's a key. That's Cly. That was done around circa 1908. What do you see?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Well, first thing that jumps out is veritas vos liberat. The truth set you free. Is that what that is?

[Scott Walter]

You got it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Is that Theban?

[Scott Walter]

What else do you see? See that cross right there? Yep. That's one of the crosses. We found one exactly like that. That's the five. Five wounds of Christ cross. But it has totally different meaning in Templarism. And. And Tim will tell you that.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What does it mean in Templarism?

[Scott Walter]

I'm gonna let Tim tell you okay. Some things I think are for him to. Now this is a strange friggin Alphabet.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

But we have a key right here. And then on the back we have a message. But that's not what's important. Did you ever see the movie National Treasure?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Scott Walter]

Do you remember what they used to do? Bring out the secret message on the back of the Declaration of Independence.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And they used heat or light?

[Scott Walter]

They used lemon juice.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Lemon juice and heat, remember?

[Scott Walter]

And the message would come and it would cool down and disappear. Yep. You know what else works?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What? Black light will do that.

[Scott Walter]

Also,

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

we learned this in the Boy Scouts. With the lemon juice, You have to read. I can't be the one to read that. That's unbelievable.

[Scott Walter]

The Yeshua scroll is not at our lodge. Now remember on the letter in 1656, the documents that they still had to get out of there. One of the things that's mentioned is eight Yeshua scrolls.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Eight Yeshua.

[Scott Walter]

Okay, we have another message where the angel K says to Cly, the guy that did this work, who went and got the book of the wars, the Lord, he said, take the Yeshua scrolls. Pick one, burn the rest. I do. So I'll go with the Sulpicians. Montreal was settled by the Sulpicians, which is a branch of the order that came from St. Sulpice in Paris, France, which is just a few blocks down the street from Notre Dame Cathedral, which is about two blocks away from that plaque that Tim told you about where Jacques de Molay was not burned at the stake. Roasted.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

He was roasted at the stake.

[Scott Walter]

He was roasted so he would suffer more.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right. So Montreal is a Templar city.

[Scott Walter]

Hell yeah. Okay, that's a great story too. The Yeshua scroll is not at our lodge. We went back to the old land and laid it in the dirt. Where the bear eats the moon. It is a right bite. Talico. Talico was cly's indigenous name. He was married to an indigenous woman. This is late 1800s, early 1900s. What the hell is he talking about?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I don't know.

[Scott Walter]

I do.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Is that. Is he giving indication where that scroll is?

[Scott Walter]

Yes. So there's one scroll.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Why burn the rest?

[Scott Walter]

Okay, I was upset when I read that. That's in a different document. But I was extremely upset when that happened. So that takes us all the way to. Roberta gave us a bunch of five, six encrypted messages. One was invisible, but the rest were coded. Everyone is different. That's the thing about these encrypted mess. Everyone's different. Some will have a different cipher phrase. They Use different alphabets. You know, some are in Theba. I mean, it's. Just because you get one doesn't mean you're going to get the rest. They're all different. And. But we've done so many of these, and of course, Don has a lot of experience. We've been able to figure them out.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So you've been able to figure out the cipher phrases?

[Scott Walter]

Yes. Yeah. And we're gonna do one. We're gonna do one. Okay, so flash forward now to last June. I'm at the cosmic summit, speaking, literally, giving a lecture. Don calls me, but I was speaking, so I had my phone off. I didn't know. I get off the stage. Oh, Don. I get a loan. I go, Don McMasters died. What? I thought, I thought he and Bill didn't get along. Well, apparently they got along. And in July, he drove down to New Jersey to meet with the executor of his estate. And he gave him two things. This.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Wow. So McMasters was holding out. Roberta didn't have everything.

[Scott Walter]

What do you see?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I see characters and then Roman date.

[Scott Walter]

And you see what at the bottom? That's Cly's Sigla.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, okay.

[Scott Walter]

And that's a pseudonym, by the way. Clyphas Licinius Jarbo. But every scribe throughout the tradition took on the same name because what they're doing is updating the Templar records and their treasure maps. Gee, if you're the scribe for the Templars and you're doing their treasure maps, do you think maybe some people might want to talk to you?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, I'm going to use a different name.

[Scott Walter]

Use a different name. But they use the same name throughout time.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

But shouldn't the Templars want 23rd? Shouldn't Templars want to copy this again and pass this down? Isn't that part of the.

[Scott Walter]

This is the last.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is it.

[Scott Walter]

This was the last. It says in another message, this is the last time. Time. Last done in 1908. And that's when this guy was around. And that's everything. The papers all seem to fit. Although this stuff is more modern. And you'll see why in a sec.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Why would it be the last time? Is a mission complete?

[Scott Walter]

You want me to be totally honest? Yes. I think that they knew what was coming. They understood Procession. They knew was going to hit the fan.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's all happening at once.

[Scott Walter]

It's all happening right now.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's happening right now.

[Scott Walter]

And I, I, you know, I don't want get too over the top, but this is a big deal. What's happening Right now in the world, everything that's happening, it's like, it's. Everything's spinning backwards. But as we talked about, you know, after the storm comes the light. If you get through the storm.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

So what you and I are doing right now and what Tim is doing and a lot of our other people that are of like mind and like goals. Right. And when I say to people is, I want to make the world a better place. And I've been saying this for a long time, not just for you and me, but our children and our grandchildren and the ones we'll never meet keep. We've had a wonderful upbringing. This is an amazing world. It's a beautiful world, and people are wonderful. You're a great dude, man. I'm having a ball.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Me, too.

[Scott Walter]

But I want my kids to experience that. I want my grandkids. So we got to get the job done here. Right now, it's.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I agree. I worry about what my son's kids are going to live through.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. I mean, it's time for us to raise our swords.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

And go to battle.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I agree.

[Scott Walter]

And this is our sword right here. So here's what this one says in Theban, due to increasing storms, the Order thinks the scroll is not safe. Now we move to the mainland. Trees cut, stumps remain. Moss covered in Roman numbers. 1933. Now, Sherlock here initially thought increasing storms meant weather. I've been to where this place is, obviously, and I thought, gee, that take a lot of rain for the water to go up. And then all of a sudden. And Jerry Ludkin said, scott, I think it's a metaphor. And I'm like, oh, hello. Events leading up to World War II, sure. The Nazis.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So move from where. Where. Where were these artifacts?

[Scott Walter]

On an island where they.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Is it Oak Island?

[Scott Walter]

In. No, no, in a lake in the Adirondacks.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Way the hell there to this day, no roads, no cabins, no houses, no nothing. So in 1934, there was supposed to be a meeting of all the extant Templar orders that still live. Existed in Europe. And it was called the Council of Faduci. And what they were going to do is figure out what they were going to do with the secrets that they were holding. Now, Tim may have told you this, but the Nazis were not just rounding up Jews and gays and people they didn't like, they were also rounding up Freemasons. Because in Freemasonry, as you go through, you're being vetted and you might be invited to other orders, depending on certain things. I know that because it's happened to me. So if you round up all of the Freemasons, you're going to get Templars, too. And they probably would be interrogated and tortured and give up information.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, Hitler wanted all this stuff.

[Scott Walter]

He wanted all of it. And you know that. He was fascinated with the Templars, with the Grail, but he was interested in what they knew. One of those things was technology, like the Bell Project. Anti gravity die Glocke. Yes, he got that from the Templars.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's from the Templars. It's a Templar secret that supposedly comes from Vimanas back in ancient times. Could be Atlantean technology.

[Scott Walter]

I would put my money there. Yeah, definitely. So the Council never happened. So a lot of those orders that survived fled to the United States and hid their stuff over here, including the Yeshua Scroll. Now the next part says, Captain Marshawn repackages and reburies the scroll. And then he says some more stuff I forget now. 1953.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Cly the 23rd. So these. This is. This isn't a family thing. This is whoever. The document reproducer was is a tradition that was passed on. And the Cistercians and the Templars had scriptoriums in their monasteries, and they had. They had brothers. All they did was copy and recopy manuscripts. So this is not. This is. Is expected. This isn't. Wow, that's cool. This is expected. So on the back, though, is another invisible message.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

There is.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Where's your. Where's your light? Oh, there it is.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

There is.

[Scott Walter]

Can you read it? I know it's hard to read.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Captain Marshawn dies, 1903. Exact.

[Scott Walter]

73.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

73. Exact location of scroll lost to us.

[Scott Walter]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

With a hooked X.

[Scott Walter]

With a hooked X.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

There's the hooked X again.

[Scott Walter]

So I read this.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, no.

[Scott Walter]

And I'm like, I'm not wasting my time on this. But I think what happened is if a bad guy got a hold of this, and clearly they were worried because they moved the scroll. Right. Maybe some Nazi spies were coming over. Well, since they mentioned Captain Marshan, we'd like to have a talk with him. Oh, he's dead. Dead. Can't talk to him.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Scroll's gone.

[Scott Walter]

And maybe we should talk to the. Oh, we don't know where it is. It almost turned me off to go look for the scroll.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So. That's a red herring.

[Scott Walter]

It's a false flag.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

False flag.

[Scott Walter]

Exactly. It's a red herring. And it almost worked on me. But I. I don't want to be an older Man. And go. I wish that would have gone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No.

[Scott Walter]

So we went and McMaster's estate gave Don something else. This map.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That map. We'll put these on the screen for everybody, but looks like two islands.

[Scott Walter]

Mm. So they moved them from these islands.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

To the mainland. Now, you see those four dots?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I do.

[Scott Walter]

Those are giant glacial boulders that are taller than this table.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So you found this place?

[Scott Walter]

Been there.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Yes. We took a float plane in because there's no roads there. And so we rented a float plane, we flew in, and this guy brings fishermen in.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It says scroll there. Is that buried? Is that the scroll?

[Scott Walter]

That's the scroll. So if you go back to. That's a whole nother thing that has to do with the skull. But we digress. Okay, so right Here it says 320 degrees, 138ft. And from this right boulder, it says 138ft with what kind of looks like that. So we go there and I pull out my compass, and those four glacial boulders are sitting right on the edge of the shore. I stand in front of the one. I set my compass to 320 degrees, paced off 138ft, got the metal detector out. Ding, ding, ding.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You're kidding me.

[Scott Walter]

Dug it up. It was a little aluminum vessel for camping cooking. When you're camping garbage. But you know, when you have your compass, you could be off by a couple degrees. And even at 138ft, you could be off by tens of feet.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Scott Walter]

So we just went in an arc, moved up a little bit, kind of on the top of this little hill. Ding, ding, ding. Got another hit. 1950s era Coke can.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Are you killing me?

[Scott Walter]

Moved over a little bit more. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. The first thing I pulled out was a 10 inch long aluminum nail. And I'm like, this isn't trash. Maybe somebody dropped it. Or maybe not. Ding, ding, ding, ding. It's still banging. And now we're right up against a stump that had been cut, covered with moss. And it was old because I could just tear it apart with my hands. So I started digging.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Did you connect us with the message at this point? The moss covered stumps.

[Scott Walter]

Stumps. Well, of course.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

When were you up there?

[Scott Walter]

August.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So this just happened.

[Scott Walter]

This just happened. So I'm digging and my friends kept, you know, dinging like this, and all of a sudden I reach in under, literally going under the stump, and I pull this out and I'm standing here like this, and there was a. There was a metal can on top. And I'm like, no way. But my heart was saying way. And it was filled with sand inside the jar. In the jar, totally filled with sand. But I could see. I was moving it like this, and I was. I could see little black things in there. They look like coins. The top. When you took the tin top off or the metal top off, this was covered in wax. Sealed with wax.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

Because there was paper inside.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Sure.

[Scott Walter]

And so I took that aluminum nail and I knocked off and then I poured the sand and what I thought were coins and this long scroll, which was wrapped in this beautiful orange designer placemat that had a little design on it and a signature. We tracked it down. It was a designer napkin made by an artist in the east coast that did beautiful work. We found that exact same placemat was made between 1950 and 1957. 1953.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

This prune juice jar was made by a company that started making these in the 1940s. That works.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

The paper we're about to show you was 1880s from Wausau, Wisconsin. Him. Everything fit. So we unwrap the paper carefully, and the first thing we get is this. Now, these are copies.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

This is.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is. Wow. This is Italian.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. That was the first thing we saw.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So I can translate this.

[Scott Walter]

And it says.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It says, the power. The power of the glorious God is within us and with other people.

[Scott Walter]

Basically what it's saying is that the power of God is within all of us and surrounds you and other people. The way I look at that, you know, you go to concert and you're vibing.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah. The energy.

[Scott Walter]

And the energy. Or you have a really good conversation with somebody that you just hit it off with. Right. That's that energy that they're talking about.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's a real thing.

[Scott Walter]

It's a real thing. And everybody can identify when they have a magic moment with other people. Right.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You know, this makes me think of Gnosticism as well.

[Scott Walter]

Exactly.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The power of God is within you.

[Scott Walter]

So what's below there?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is some type of formula.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I don't recognize it.

[Scott Walter]

I don't recognize it either, but other people do. And basically it has to do with quantum physics.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What? Do you know more about that?

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, but I think we want to get to the best part.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, we do.

[Scott Walter]

This is a whole nother deal.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

This collective is crazy. So then we opened it up and we got six pages, all three pages with stuff on each side.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

These came out of the green jar?

[Scott Walter]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Are these actual size?

[Scott Walter]

Actual size.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So just grids of characters and numbers. I think you said this is scripto continua, meaning just one long line of text.

[Scott Walter]

There's some areas that give us a lot. Little bit of help. But it's basically scripto continua, so the

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

cryptography nerds will know what that is. And this, the cipher phrase would be a visionnaire cipher.

[Scott Walter]

I just. I want you to hold this piece right here. Okay.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

Because after we found this, of course, the first thing we do is drive right down to Don. Don had gotten in a car accident at the end of May and broke his shoulder. And he was messed up, he couldn't go with us. So the first thing I did was I made copies of this and I gave it to him. And then we went to the hotel and we started deciphering. We didn't leave the hotel for two days.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How did you know how to decipher this?

[Scott Walter]

It took time, I bet.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay, so this is on the last will and testament.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Isn't that weird?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's weird.

[Scott Walter]

I don't know what that is, but that's what it says.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Everything means something to me.

[Scott Walter]

Yes. Well, as it should. Okay, so the first eight lines. There's that number again.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How many columns are there? 6, 9, 12, 15, 17.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, so here's what that. And this is just one to one letter substitution. This one was easy. I did this one in 45 minutes. This is what it says. The 325 year compilation of old and new writings is not the infallible word of God, but the fallible compilation of the Roman Catholic Church to support their doctrine.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, my goodness.

[Scott Walter]

That is the most succinct and perfect way to sum up the Council of Nicaea.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, it is.

[Scott Walter]

It's beautiful. That's. We got that right away. And so you know what we did then?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What?

[Scott Walter]

Tighten the seat belts.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, that's.

[Scott Walter]

That's heavy. The next part, which is six lines of strange characters.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

Okay. That Alphabet we've seen before, but this was slightly modified. Same characters with additions. But we recognize it. We were able to figure it out. Says this translated from the original Aramaic by Brother Simon for the. The poor knights of Christ.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Templars.

[Scott Walter]

That's what they used to be called before they were called the Templars. Now I got all hung up on the. The poor knights of Christ. The two. The. What the hell's the.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The Right. What is that?

[Scott Walter]

Well, guess who figured it out, Janet. Probably Don. Usually it's the Goddess. Right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And he usually is.

[Scott Walter]

It was Don. He goes. It's a tell. And then I went. Oh, my God. The first the is telling you the rest is the cipher. Holy four nights of Christ is the cipher.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Cipher phrase. Hollywood's gonna want a word with you.

[Scott Walter]

Guess how many letters are in that cipher phrase.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How many?

[Scott Walter]

How many bones in your skull? Again.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What did we say? 22? 22.

[Scott Walter]

None of this is coincidence.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No, it's not.

[Scott Walter]

The next part, which is in numbers.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

Encrypted by Brother Lionidis for the order of the Grail, 1897. So let me tell you one thing we did not talk about on the Kensington Runestone. Remember I talked about the codes. I told you about the dating code.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

I didn't tell you about the Grail code.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No.

[Scott Walter]

The first four letters. Remember? I did that microscopic work and I put them in the folder.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes. The unknown mystery runes or.

[Scott Walter]

The first thing was the number eight. The very next thing is the word G in Gotlander. And there's an extra dot in the upper right arm that doesn't belong there. Went in the folder. The next letter singled out was the word. Was the letter R. That had a dot right through the lower right leg. You can't miss it. Doesn't belong there. Put it in the folder. The next thing was a hooked X that had another hook. Normally the hooked X has a little hook in the upper right arm.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Scott Walter]

This one had a hook on the lower left leg. Put it in the folder. By the way, the hooked X is being used on the Kensington Runestone for the letter A. A And it looks remarkably like the Hebrew A stone. Straight line. Stonemason's version of the Hebrew. Olive.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

The letter A, which is the first

[Scott Walter]

letter in the Hebrew Alphabet. It's being used for the letter A within the Kensington inscription.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So we've got GR A in the folder.

[Scott Walter]

Remember that funny L?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, no. You're kidding me.

[Scott Walter]

Well, there's another one.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

That has the one I talked about, which is the dating code in Esclar Sinclair.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

That. That goes all the way across on both of the vertical lines. But there's another one just before that, an L that has a little mark on one side. Put that in the folder. What do we have?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

G, R, A L, which in medieval

[Scott Walter]

Old Swedish is grail. That grail. Could this be the same order?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It has to be. Too many things line up.

[Scott Walter]

I'm liking it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

And you know what? I'm going with it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I think you have to. Everything just lines up.

[Scott Walter]

This is too much. Okay. Okay. Now we're gonna get into the meat, and then we're gonna get to the finale. So the rest of this is numbers that go on for that page, the next page on the other side.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

This page and that page all the way to here.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Why do we have spaces here? Do those mean something?

[Scott Walter]

Well, on. Just in the beginning.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

And I think maybe they were trying to help. I don't know. Okay. But it goes all the way to here. Okay, but I don't want you to see this yet.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

And I'm just going to read it. M.F. m.F. That's what it says. M.F. equals M.G.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

You can do it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

M.F equals M.G.

[Scott Walter]

It's an acronym.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Male, female, close.

[Scott Walter]

My father.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

My father.

[Scott Walter]

My.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

My Goddess. My father. Goddess. We.

[Scott Walter]

You know what? Why couldn't it be the goddess we assumed? See, this is what you got to be careful of, is assuming. You just said goddess, but we said my God. Let's see. Okay, let's keep going. So MF My father equals MG. So it's either my God or my goddess father. Genesis, chapter one. Let us make man in our own image. Genesis chapter one plus three, five, sixteen. Let us make man in our image, in the image of God. Made he him to make more. He needed a female. So Eve, they made Cain and Abel. Cain slew Abel and MF Put his mark on him. I, H, N. What's IHN in his name.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

In his name.

[Scott Walter]

Right. That's what we think. And banished him to Nod. So none there would kill him. But if Adam, Eve, Cain are the only people who is in Nod, Right? Hello. How can they be the first people?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

They got banished to a city that's got people know this. Then they were not the first people, but the first Jews. Chapter six. Five, two. Chapter 652. It says it twice. I don't know why. And the sons of MF Saw the daughters of men and found them pleasing in their sight and came and knew them. And they settled in the land of Nod, where Cain was sent so their children enjoyed life for its pleasures, both male female male male and female female.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, my.

[Scott Walter]

This does not procreate or honor MF So he destroyed them all. But flood nor fire succeeded. Thus the sons and daughters of natural man filled the earth. Yet nowhere did they mate with a Jew till Lisbon 5th. So let's back up. I take this as. Homosexuality is. Okay, That's.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's what I read.

[Scott Walter]

I've always thought that. Not my goddamn business what happens in people's bedrooms.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's right. But this is a problem.

[Scott Walter]

Well, or is it?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's not for me, but it's a problem for the church.

[Scott Walter]

Well, they might have to rethink that.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Good luck with that.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, well, gets better. To Elizabeth, who I think is referring to the mother of John the Baptist.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

This does not procreate the sons and daughters. Natural man filled the earth. Nowhere did they make with a Jew. To Elizabeth. Who's they?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Who's they?

[Scott Walter]

Seeing it work in six weeks, showing signs of being pregnant.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

The angel Anton came and knew my mother. What's happening here?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What is going on here?

[Scott Walter]

You tell me.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

You tell me.

[Scott Walter]

No, you tell me.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Angel Anton

[Scott Walter]

knew my mother. Who's talking holy?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Is this an autobiography? Is this Yeshua's autobiography in the first person?

[Scott Walter]

Well, if you're not sure, now you're gonna be.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, okay. I watch my language.

[Scott Walter]

No, you can say whatever you want. It's your show. But Jan and I chose MF Then know this. Adam and Eve could read or write. Thus the tree of life was not a tree, but a book that spoke the fruit. Chapters numbered 1, 2, 3, etc. So MF looked like man except for intelligence, hence the book to store it all. MF and his wife Asherah, called Wisdom, who was referred to as Wisdom in the book of the wars of the Lord who calls down the silver beast. Her name was Wisdom. She's right here again. Rebuked his brother for having led Eve to open the book and sent him out of Earth to Arcturus.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

To Arcturus the star. What is Yeshua on about?

[Scott Walter]

I'm just saying, man. I'm not saying. I'm just saying, okay? This is what it says. And I can say this. We got this, right? This isn't some screw up. And when this is published, and I'm going to publish this, you can decipher it for yourself. If you need help, I'll help you. It's not easy, it's freaking hard. But this is what it says. But he returns when called for. Many follow him here. What of the serpent? Natural female mated with my uncle and got the creature with legs that crawled from the waters. And over time came to be natural man, strong and large of stature, worshiping its ancestor.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is Jesus talking about evolution.

[Scott Walter]

A fork in the road became the snake. Another natural man and woman. So if you follow me, whether you turn right or left, you will hear a voice behind. And you saying, this is the way. Walk in it. That's what it says. There's a lot to unpack there.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

There is.

[Scott Walter]

And I don't think we're going to do all that today.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No.

[Scott Walter]

But I want you to look at something.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

This is the end right here.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Scott Walter]

See the numbers? Yes. There's something in English right here. The last line. What does it say?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

As I am allowed to say, boom.

[Scott Walter]

Nobody gets it that fast. Good job.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay, Is that Yeshua saying that? And who would not permit him to say.

[Scott Walter]

Okay, well, we'll answer that question right now. Another notch. This is gonna get real now, brother. So this is the message. Okay, so now look at that page.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

And turn it long way. Yep. Now, you see these letters? How many of these are on that page?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

How many letters?

[Scott Walter]

No. Rows of letters or lines of letters. No, no. This is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Six. Okay, now flip it over and count the lines.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Six plus six plus.

[Scott Walter]

Just go right down.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Seventeen plus six.

[Scott Walter]

No, it's 22.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I didn't count the blank line.

[Scott Walter]

No, you don't count the blank line.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's 22.

[Scott Walter]

22. Okay, so remember the cipher phrase?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

Okay, so what you do is this. You set up a grid system, which I did. I did this part. And you just put. The power of God or the poor knights of Christ. The power of God is within you. Is another one from other messages. The poor knights of Christ. Then what you do is you start with the letter A. No. A in that. No. B in that. C. Christ. You take this first row of letters right here.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Scott Walter]

You go to the C and you put it this way. These letters that are horizontal, you put this way. Then you go to D, and you go to E. The. And you pull the next line. You put that under the E. The first E. The next line, if there's A. You follow me?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I do.

[Scott Walter]

All the way through the Alphabet.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's. Yes. A shift cipher.

[Scott Walter]

All 22 lines fill in. And then you read it this way. That's how you do it. This is what that says. I, not entirely human.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Oh, my goodness. That's what that says. I not entirely human. Oh, my goodness.

[Scott Walter]

Well, didn't he kind of allude to that before?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, he did.

[Scott Walter]

Haven't we been kind of prepped on this with these freaking messages for the last several years?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah. He's from Arcturus.

[Scott Walter]

I'm not saying.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Just reading the message.

[Scott Walter]

I'm just reading the message. I, not entirely human. A rupture of the small intestines was not enough to kill me. I slowed my breath and was declared dead. My cousin of my father's side had me rest in the family tomb. Boom.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Until Easter. I. I guess Telpiat. The family tomb. Oh, and is the rupture of the intestine. The Spear of Destiny.

[Scott Walter]

Gotta be on the cross and you know it's right.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

It's right there.

[Scott Walter]

The intestines come way up.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So he didn't die on the cross. He slowed his breath.

[Scott Walter]

Remember, he's not entirely human.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's what he said.

[Scott Walter]

Said. I'm not saying he said it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I'm not going to argue with him.

[Scott Walter]

Now that I know he's alien. I'm not for sure not argue with them. My cousin of my father's, Earth father's side had me rest in the earth's fathers. So. Okay. Had me rest in the family. In his family tomb. I healed myself and my wife came and freed me.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Me, Mary Magdalene.

[Scott Walter]

Who was there. She was there when he leaves the tomb.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

At the Resurrection.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. We traveled to the north and preached a joint religion of male and female. You know where the north is?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Where?

[Scott Walter]

Scotland.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

That's where they preached.

[Scott Walter]

Went to France first. And then to Scotland beyond Hadrian's Wall to the isle of Iona.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And there are local legends, all kinds of them. Talking about Jesus.

[Scott Walter]

I've been there. Yeah. We bore two children. Judah and Sarah. We know their names. Returned to Jerusalem. And finally I ascended to my father. My body returned to my cousin's family tomb. I was doing a happy dance when I read that. I know my spirit will return at the end of the sixth day. June 6, by the new counting. 2999 at 6pm so said my father. But beware. 6. 6. 26. At 6pm

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

this June,

[Scott Walter]

he was. I'm just reading it. That's my interpretation.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Well, Council of Nicaea would have rearranged the calendar by now. By when this was written. Yes. So he. He would know those dates, would he?

[Scott Walter]

Six. Six. June 6th of this year. Now you know why I said to you earlier there's an urgency here.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And the other year is that Hebrew year?

[Scott Walter]

By the new counting. I. I interpret that to be the

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

renumbering 900 years from now. Okay.

[Scott Walter]

9, 2,999 at 6pm Also, be not fooled by the false prophet spelled P R O F I T. We checked it. And his clone, who will rise on the third day after his death. Clone.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Clone. Should know what that word even is. I know. We're just reading it.

[Scott Walter]

Know this. In the beginning was the Word. And that word was God. There was none before him, there was none after him. The Word is eternal.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And that concludes the scroll.

[Scott Walter]

That's it.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What do you think this means for us?

[Scott Walter]

I think it's talking about right now. And I think 6, 6, 26 is right now. The question is, look, look, I mean this is incredible, okay, because what's happening, it's like this backward spinning is spinning faster and faster every day. Literally every day. And what is the date? It's almost March 1st. March, April, May, June. That's a little over three months from now.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

And what does he think is going to happen? You can't have that.

[Scott Walter]

All he says is beware, but. Beware.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

But you can't help but connect that to 666 even.

[Scott Walter]

Well, here's something that's interesting. What's 6 plus 6? 12 plus 6pm 18 plus 6 back to 24 again.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Plus 226 divide by 2, then 13 again. So the sacred geometry shows up in this as well.

[Scott Walter]

I mean, I'm at a loss. So aj, I, I, I mean I'm just blown away by this. And I, I just think this is why I want to get this out.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

So if this is real, his descendants walk among us. Now,

[Scott Walter]

remember when I told you I was contacted about disclosure?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Scott Walter]

Just in a nutshell. This guy called me and told me that he was with the government and with the DoD, with NASIC, the National Air and Space Investigative Center.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Well, that Intelligence center.

[Scott Walter]

Intelligence center, is that right?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay. Their logo is a sphinx with a stone are.

[Scott Walter]

I think that's right. Yeah. This is about six, seven, eight years ago. Anyway, he said, and I said why are you calling me? And he said, well, you know, you have a platform and you seem to be credible and you know, blah, blah, blah. And I, I said, well, how do I know you are who you say you are? So we went through that process and he actually came and stayed with us three times. And then once he convinced me that he was who he said he was, at least in my mind, then I was given materials to read and online

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

stuff and talking points to say.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, we went through and came up with talking points. But as this was happening, there was other stuff happening. Like the 20th anniversary of working at the Pentagon after 9 11. And the guy that I worked with who was in charge of the whole thing, Alan Kilsheimer, was having a 20 year gathering of everybody that worked at the Pentagon. And I was invited and I was getting ready to go. And as we got closer and closer, our friend who went by the name of Holden, which I knew was not his real name. And that's fine, I didn't really care. He and I were getting to know each other and we would talk about things and he told me about his personal life, like his being recruited out basically right out of high school, because he was smart guy. And he started off with the government doing boots on the ground stuff, going after human traffickers is what he told me. And then when he was about 30, as I recall, he said that he was in one mission and they were going after a bunch of kids, and one of the guys that was holding them had a bomb and blew himself up. And he was on the other side of the wall and he got hurt bad to the point where he could no longer do boots on the ground stuff that obviously he was very proud of and he enjoyed. So they gave him a desk job, and this was his desk job job. He had demons, and it was quite obvious. And actually he and Jerry got into it one time. Really, we had Jerry over for a dinner one time, and it got ugly.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

What happened?

[Scott Walter]

Well, what he was doing was he was telling me that what I saw at the Pentagon and my close friends that were the first guy in the building, a structural engineer that was one of my best customers and one of my best friends. Friends, Leo Titus, who went in the building before the search and rescue and the. And the dogs went in to make sure the building was safe so they wouldn't get killed.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Right.

[Scott Walter]

And I have all of his photos. And he tried to tell me it wasn't what it was. Pissed me off. And this is three weeks before the anniversary.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Well, what was he saying it was and what wasn't?

[Scott Walter]

Well, you're saying it was a missing. When there are people that are no longer with us. There were bodies that were found blown out of the building, pictures that Leo took. He was there for seven days once. He was. He was there 40 minutes after the impact. And we talked about it when we got together at the reunion. So I almost punched him out. Ask Janet. She'll tell you what happened. So we had a falling out. He was trying to manipulate me.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yes, he was.

[Scott Walter]

And I said, fuck you.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Good for you. Because I don't. I don't trust this disclosure narrative that's being pushed on us now.

[Scott Walter]

Well, and that the last time I talked to him was probably three years ago. So this went on for about four years, but that, you know, that didn't turn me off to the ET thing. And then all of a sudden, right as he's going out the door, this comes in.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

This is wild.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah, this has been my journey. This has been our journey. And yeah, I mean, you know, the thing is, is that I don't. You know, I. There have been days When I, you know, I'll talk to Janet and close friends and say, the hell's going on? You know what. What is why? Why me? And I like to think that part of it is because I work my ass off. I never quit. And I want to solve the mystery.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Absolutely.

[Scott Walter]

And get to the bottom, because that's what I do. I never thought it would go here.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

No. This is incredible. Is there anything that we didn't cover today that you want to get into?

[Scott Walter]

I don't know. There's a lot more, but I think it's time for a beer. How about you?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

I agree. So the book is the Greatest Tale Never Told.

[Scott Walter]

Greatest Templar Tale Never Told. The Sinclair Weems journals. And I just want to say it's not one of my magic writing that people are buying this book. It's the journals. They speak for themselves. And when you read it, I mean, the letters I've gotten back from people, they blow through it in, like, two days. They're saying, I couldn't put it down. This is an amazing story. And the truth of the matter is what all of this is really about at the end of the day is the true founding of this country. And as a Freemason and as a Knights Templar who knows the truth, to see what's happening today beyond discuss me. And here we are, 250 years. We're supposed to be celebrating this, but we got that. That's another reason why I'm working my ass off.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Yeah, we got to get through that.

[Scott Walter]

Yeah. Are you on the squad?

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Come on. I've been on.

[Scott Walter]

And then one day, we're going to do it like this.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

One day. The grip. Scott Walter. Thank you so much for coming in.

[Scott Walter]

Thank you for having me.

[Interviewer/Podcast Host]

Okay. That's a lot to process. Scott Walter took us on a journey that started with concrete forensics and ended with ancient alien encounters. So let me break down what we can actually verify here. Scott's credentials are solid. Licensed professional geologist. He runs a successful materials forensic laboratory. He worked on the Pentagon after 9 11. And this is all documented. The Las Vegas murder case he described that happened. Tom Honahan was a real Las Vegas homicide detective. And Scott's concrete dating techniques have been used in multiple forensic investigations. As for the big claims, the Kensington Runestone has been controversial since 1898. Scott's geological weathering analysis, published in 2000, said the way minerals degrade is proof of age. But Swedish archaeologists and runologists at Uppsala University disputed these findings in 2004. The academic consensus remains that it's a 19th century creation. But it's hard to deny all the connections that Scott talked about. The Talpia tomb is real. That was discovered in 1980 in Jerusalem. It contains ossuaries with names including Jesus, Mary and James and others. And DNA testing was conducted by Carney Matheson at Lakehead University in 2007. But as critics note, there's no baseline Jesus DNA to compare against. So it could be him, but we don't know. Most biblical archaeologists reject any connection to the historical Jesus. Now, here's what I keep coming back to. Though Scott's progression is fascinating. Respected scientist finds anomalous evidence, gets pushback from academia, digs deeper, finds more anomalous evidence and keeps following it where it leads. Now, whether you believe these conclusions or not, the man is following the data as he sees it. From concrete to runes to Templars to alien contact. If this is a hoax, it's the greatest hoax ever conceived. There are so many details to keep track of of and somehow all the pieces line up. But if this is not a hoax, then we're missing something fundamental about the history of the human race. Now, if you want to dig deeper into some of these topics, I covered Knights Templar and their quest for Atlantis. I covered the Ark of the Covenant technology. I also have an episode about the megalithic yard that Scott mentioned. There's links below. Scott Walter, forensic geologist turned cosmic historian. His new book is the Greatest Templar Tale Never Touched toll and honestly, whether it's fact or fiction, oh, it's a good story. Until next time, be safe, be kind and know that you are appreciated.

[Scott Walter]

I play Polypia scenario 51 a secret code inside the Bible said I was I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as well as music Song sang in the la ca but then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth, my friends and it never ends Ends no, it never ends. I feel the crab cat I got stuck inside Mel's home with them chaotic being only 2 aware did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone I a film set I were the shadow people there the Roswell aliens just f the smiling man I'm told and his name was cold and I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish Head to fish on Thursday night Wednesday Jesus. The mothman sightings and the solar storm still come to Agatha the secret city underground Mysterious number stations Planet Circle 2 Project Stargate and what the dark watchers found. The black Max satellite light it on me so I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish head fish on Thursday night with AJ. All to just hear the truth of the weapons on. K Love to dance, to dance K loves to dance yeah KY love to dance on the dance floor because she is a camel and camels love to dance when the feeling is right Always in time. Carvana is so easy. Just a click and we've got ourselves a car. See so many cars.

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[Scott Walter]

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