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Cavendish’s Tour stage‑win record already being threatened?| Tour de France 2025 Stage 7 | THEMOVE
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Lance, George, and Sir Bradley Wiggins discuss Tadej Pogačar's stage win atop the Mûr-de-Bretagne that netted him his 19th career Tour de France stage win and saw him further extend his GC lead over his key competition. They also discuss Jonas...
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Lance Armstrong
Great to have you on the set.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Great to be here. Excited.
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Lance Armstrong
I mean, you have the crystal ball this year.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, it helps. When Ted Epogacho. Bradley and I were talking before the show, he's finished first or second on four of the seven stages so far, so that. That helps a little bit.
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Lance Armstrong
All right, welcome Back to the Move podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Mr. George Hincappy. Still no hat.
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George Hincapie
I know. I keep forgetting. We'll get it going one of these days.
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Lance Armstrong
Tomorrow, the people want the hat.
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George Hincapie
All right.
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Lance Armstrong
And ladies and gentlemen, out from behind the curtain, Mr. Spencer Martin, the professor.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Thanks for letting me out.
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Lance Armstrong
Well, you know, I don't know if it was. It was largely due to your wild success and outcomes. Yet another stage prediction today. We thought, you know, the guy just crushing. We'll let you out from behind the curtain. As is the case each and every day, Today's show brought to you by and presented by Quito and IQ Talking about stage seven, Alain, what we do. Stage seven. From Samalo to Mur de Bretagne. Garland. From Samalo to Mur de Bretagne.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Garland.
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Lance Armstrong
Wow. We do have. Later in the show. I've been a. You kind of. If you watch the race year after year, the helicopter shot does highlight a lot of yard art. You know what I mean? Our field art. People out there. Hay bales. I saw, and I'm not a big fan of these, but I saw they showed one today that is the greatest I've ever seen. And we have a photo of it.
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George Hincapie
We're doing it now.
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Lance Armstrong
No, we're not gonna. I want to save it. I want to tease it out, and I want to save it. It was exceptional. I don't know how they did it.
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Spencer Martin
If it's the one I'm thinking that I saw as well.
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Lance Armstrong
Yep. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
If we think in the same one.
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Lance Armstrong
We may not be. Yeah. Well, did you take a picture of the one that you were.
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Spencer Martin
No, I can tell you it was of.
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Lance Armstrong
No, don't say.
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Spencer Martin
Okay, okay, look.
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George Hincapie
And I can tell you it takes a lot to get this man's attention in the early parts of the stages.
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Lance Armstrong
In fact, we were watching. I was just kind of coming to, and I said, whoa. I said rewind. That. It was like Dave Chappelle was on one of the night. One of the nighttime shows, and he was giving this. He was. He was telling about the first time he met Kanye west and Kanye. And Kanye was, you know. You know, was nobody, and Chappelle was already somebody. And Kanye just sinks in anyways, you got to look this up on YouTube, but Chappelle's telling the story of, of Kanye and kind of say, rewind that. Anyway, so I had to rewind it and I took a photo of it. You get to see it later. This is going to sound like a broken record. Tati Pogachar, ladies and gentlemen, won another stage of the Tour de France. His 101st professional victory, his 19th Tour de France stage win.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, we keep saying it over and over, winning, but we do have, we do have some observations which could indicate, you know, maybe another dominance we've seen.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, there's little. Yeah, right. And sir Bradley. Will. Will, as we were watching, had some amazing insight and I think you're right on this. In just having done this sport for so long and followed these guys for, for now, years, you start to pick up on little things. And we'll get into all that. But before we do, today's show brought to you by Element. You hear us talk about it all the time. And you, and you. You're seeing it in this Tour. You're starting to see the race heating up. It's approaching 90 degrees. The boys are sweating a lot. You're starting to see that salt appear. It's all about hydration and rehydration. I personally am just a massive sweater, so that's a big issue for me. Element has it solved. Thousand milligrams of sodium, 200 milligrams of potassium, 60 milligrams of magnesium. No sugar, no gluten, no artificial ingredients, no bs. It is the real deal also too. And you see it here on the desk. The sparkling drink stays salty. My friends get a free 8 count sample pack of elements most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase@drinklmnt.com themove that is drinklmnt.com themove stay salty new partner today. Join. Join is joining us. Right. Are you ready to unlock your cycling potential? Join is the number one training app that puts a professional cycling coach in your pocket. You don't need a big goal to benefit from training. Join helps you stay fit, focused and consistent even when there's no event in sight. Join keeps it interesting with challenges, variety and smart progression. With over 400 tour level workouts, Join recalibrates when you miss a workout. I think this is a big thing. People get sick, the weather rolls in, something happens. Workouts change. Life changes. It recalibrates if you miss a workout. Designed by experts with world Tour level experience, Join is your number one cycling training app. You can now test join 30 days for free visit join CC the Move join CC join the Move Downloaded over there. And after my experience the other day with this man all the way to my left, I might be joining join because whatever happened that day on that ride, I usually enjoy riding my bike. I didn't. I didn't. I did not enjoy it.
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George Hincapie
So am I. Am I. Is there a chance we ride again or. I'm going to join the other day.
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Lance Armstrong
Last one here for a sec. We've talked about Huckberry. Our wonderful friends over there, Andy and Rich, they've just created a monster. I've loved this brand. I've loved the platform for many, many years. They have been so gracious. And if you saw the social media clip yesterday of the Huckberry Chill Chamber, right? Show rolls live. Now we figure we got to be right here and be ready. So outfitted the Chill Chamber shout out to our good friend Chad Mountain for originally dubbing the phrase Chill Chambered that from him. Huckberry Chill Chamber. Incredible. The other thing about Huckberry is they spot brands before cool brands before most people do. They were one of the first, for example, to spot Norda. Right. And, and I showed off my tote yesterday that everybody.
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George Hincapie
You got some, some slides on, right?
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Lance Armstrong
I got my Nordisk. They're sick. And also amazing content over there at Huckberry. It's a daily newsletter. They send out over a million a day. Just a lot of fun stuff.
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George Hincapie
I ordered two shirts from there two days ago, so I may wait till those shirts arrive before I put my hat on.
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Lance Armstrong
You paid for them?
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George Hincapie
Yeah. I'll give you my confirmation.
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Lance Armstrong
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Great to be here, excited.
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Lance Armstrong
I mean, you have the crystal ball this year.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, it helps. When Ted ipagaccio Bradley and I were talking before the show, he's finished first or second on four of the seven stages so far. So that, that helps a little bit.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
Incredible.
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George Hincapie
And today, today he had a phenomenal lead out by Visma Lisa Bike. I'm still not on this, which is not his team. This tactic. I mean if you, you see he's beaten you handedly the last couple stages. Let's start attacking. You know, let's start using Mateo Jurgensen. Let's start using Wild Bernard. I mean they did so Much damage. There was 20 guys left after the first time upon, which means, like, that's a finished pace they set. I don't know. I feel like if they're all in for the mountain stages, why not just let their guys kind of chill or go for stage wins and not do the work for uae? My opinion.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, I think it just shows. Look, we're seven stages in these Tours. We talk a lot about this current world of cycling and how fit everybody is, how fast they go. Guys are getting tired. I mean, you hit. I mean, let's be honest. I mean, Murder Britannia's. If we all rode up it, we think, well, it's a decent climb.
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Spencer Martin
It is, it is.
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Lance Armstrong
But would you ride up that thing and think that the Tour de France after one time up is going to have 25 guys?
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George Hincapie
No way. No way, huh?
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Lance Armstrong
And Bradley, you were. I asked, you've ridden it?
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, I've raced up it, Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
I don't think I ever did.
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George Hincapie
No. The year we did in 2011, when Cadell Evans won, I remember leading him out, but we had some really hard climbs beforehand. But it was still, it was a full.
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Spencer Martin
Still a big, full pill.
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George Hincapie
Yeah. I mean, essentially 80% of the peloton was still there.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, what's going on? So the levels getting higher, the gaps are smaller in the big mountains and seem to be larger in the small climbs.
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Lance Armstrong
Right.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Like, why exactly is that happening? Does anyone have a guess?
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George Hincapie
I think because they're racing so hard from kilometer zero and, you know, like we saw yesterday, day after day, day after day after day, we saw van der Poel yesterday. I mean, a guy like that getting dropped near the end when it was just clearly because he had been doing a team time trial all day. The stages he won before that, he kind of. They saved him to the end. He didn't have to hit the win once. But then you see when he asked to work from kilometer zero, the effect it has on the best riders in the world. So that's what we're seeing. I mean, the 20 guys after the first time up, muted Raton, we were all kind of in shock.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And another question for you guys. I'm sure you're all up 4:45 in the morning watching the early breakaway. Why is Visma so active in this? Or like, if, like Lance on Postal, would you guys have done that? You're trying to win the Tour de France. Are you saying, hey, guys, I want you in the early moves? Like, why is, like, Victor Campenaert so active? Wild Bernard. Because if you said, george, don't they want to save everything for you?
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George Hincapie
You would think. Or they're thinking of, you know, kind of what they did in the Giro, get one of their good guys in the front, have Jonas attack, but that's not happening, especially in these stages. Maybe in the mountain stages, I think it makes a lot of sense. But if they are in fact so confident with Jonas Vindigo, I don't see why they're racing the way they are right now. Unless they're even more confident that they need to tire out the UAE guys before they get to stage 10 where they'll be able to make a difference. I mean, we haven't seen Seb Coust at all, so I'm wondering if they're just saving him. Said you just ride the group pedal, get through these first 10 stages and that's when we really need you. So it could shape up to be something really interesting if that's the case. Hoping that's the case, but we have yet to be. To see.
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Lance Armstrong
Well, Sepkus is shaping up to be. I think one of the biggest question marks of this Tour is that, is that in fact the case or is. Is. Is he just not there this year? And I'm going to go back to what, you know, what we said yesterday about it's tough to do three Tour. Those. You gotta. Those can be career affecting.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, I agree.
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Lance Armstrong
Not that I ever did it, but.
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George Hincapie
I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Lance Armstrong
I agree. I agree.
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George Hincapie
I say they're planning for everything after stage 10. I mean, Bradley, let me know what you think, but like, we saw him in the Dauphin A, he did some decent stages, not the steps that we know, but if he comes back to be the Sepkus that he has been in the last couple years, he can make a huge difference.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Let's not discount him just yet. I mean, this tour is long and, and I also think the way that this first week has been raced, it, it's, it's, it's everything, you know, Sep doesn't want, you know, it's his. He's a rider that will come to the fore when we get into the high mountains. And Monday, we were talking about Monday stage, that's where we'll get a true reflection of where Sepp Kuss is at, I think, in this Tour de France.
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Lance Armstrong
That's right. That's right. And it's also worth noting, we talked about how this first week has been raced, really every day. From kilometer zero. Yet again, another breakaway today with Garrett Thomas and we were just remarking, of course, you're old teammates of his and old friend of his and think very highly of him. Here's a guy who's. Who has won the Tour, who's approaching 40 years old, was second in the Tour of Italy last year. He finds himself in that break, you know, Love your take on that. But I will say before you do, like, I've been that guy 20, 20, 10. You're there, you're like, what am I doing here? Honestly, I was like, what am I doing here? And you're looking for these early breaks. And it's. I felt for him today, it's just.
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Spencer Martin
Not, you know, G is. She's a classic, he's a classic. And to make the break today is some effort as well. Let's not forget this is.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Sure, this isn't.
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Spencer Martin
They're just letting these breaks go, as we saw yesterday. So, you know, there was every. Of every chance that when they were making that break this morning, the racing was as hard as it was. There was, you know, there was a thought process that this could go to the finish again like it did yesterday. So for G to be there. But, I mean, I also saw G's interviews earlier in the week where after the first few stages, he was saying, you know, he was thinking to himself, have I gone a year too long? Why didn't I stop last year? You know, with the crashes. He crashed at the Tour of Swiss before this race. But, you know, gee is still 39th overall. I mean, as of this morning, he was 39th overall. So he's been there, he's been doing the team job for Rodriguez, I think it is.
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Lance Armstrong
And.
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Spencer Martin
And, you know, Gee's not done in this Tour de France yet. But, yeah, there is an element of that where he was in the break this morning and, you know, it could have gone to the finish, but it wasn't to be. You know, UAE did not let that go more than a minute and a half.
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George Hincapie
I think it was all the fact that Alpecine was willing to do the work as well.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
That changed the whole dynamic of the breakaway.
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Spencer Martin
Well, Johan had a point yesterday that he thought UAE and Alpecin had an agreement yesterday.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
And then that could have continued over into today, knowing that van der Poel wasn't going to take the yellow jersey today or lose it, at least.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
So we did talk about that yesterday.
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George Hincapie
But Johan today was kind of paid back. They had to.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, Johan did think that makes sense that Tade and van der Poel had an agreement yesterday. That we'll let you go, take the jersey off us and help us. And that was kind of carried over into today.
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Lance Armstrong
We talked about it. Collaboration, communication. This is a political race.
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George Hincapie
But what a difference. I mean, we talked about the last time they finished there. Spencer pointed it out. Van der Poel attacks the first time up, gets not a very significant gap, maybe 5, 10, 15 seconds, holds it the whole final lap by himself, and then still wins by eight seconds over Poguchar. So, you know, fast forward two years till now. I mean, what a completely different outcome. Even though van der Poel is obviously on really good fitness, as probably as good as he's ever been. But not only did he not attack the first time up, he was swinging on the back of the peloton, almost getting dropped. In fact, he might have gotten a little bit gapped at the top and then got dropped the last time up as level, gone up that much higher or has his aggression after yesterday, you know, it's a pain he's paying for today.
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Lance Armstrong
I mean, he had an amazing spring. I mean that takes its toll. You saw him two, three days ago. He was cracked. He was. You don't see yesterday, you don't see Vanderpool like that, just laid out on the road, dousing himself. I mean, he looked tired. Right. And you saw it today. And that would explain. Or what you said, Bradley would explain putting the team on the front for a large part of the day. For the record, I was not up at 4:45, but when I did get up, they were on the front. Another a couple of interesting things. Honorable mention. Oscar Onley. We talked about him yesterday as young kid from Scotland gets third on the stage. Think about this, right? Tare and Jonas together. We'll talk about Jonas because I think he. I feel like he looked a lot better today, but. Shout out to Oscar Onley. This. This is. This is gonna. This is one of the emerging stories of the 2025 tour.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, I mean he's starting off.
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Lance Armstrong
I mean, if you would ask me two weeks ago, do you know who Oscar Onley is? I would have said I have no idea who you're talking about. This is. This is impressive. He's riding a hell of a race.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And his team picnic post NL is like facing extinction if they don't get enough points to either stay in the world tour or get the third start. Getting the weeds here, the third slot of the second division teams, like they're not getting any wild card invites. So they need all the points they can get at this place.
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Lance Armstrong
Well he's showing some talent so that might be better for him.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
To go on a different team.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, well, yeah, he's probably got some clause in there that if the team doesn't stay at the highest level he can.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Strange thing he's on this team in the first place.
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Spencer Martin
He came through the development team.
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Lance Armstrong
He's been on the team since he was a young kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's also cool. Right before we go to commercial break for Peacock, another just seemingly out of the nowhere here. You got a group of 20 guys, massive pile up percentage wise. I mean they look like there were eight guys on the ground. Of course we saw Almeida really banged up. The other one who was really, really banged up was Lenny Martinez. I mean he looked like. He looked like Mike Tyson hit him a few times. I mean that was hard to watch as they're trying to pick him up. He didn't know up from down and.
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George Hincapie
There was no real reason for the crash as well.
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Lance Armstrong
They were trying to go back and show it. Just couldn't see. We couldn't figure it out. But nasty, nasty crash. Ladies and gentlemen, we will be back in 2:32.
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George Hincapie
You love saying that, don't you?
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Lance Armstrong
All right, and we're back. Welcome back to the move and just, just real quick. And I know you had an observation you wanted to make, Sir Bradley, but. Yes George, I do. As we go to that break, I do like that I grew up watching all these cheesy game shows. Love Connection being one hosted by the legendary just, just totally flaked his name.
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George Hincapie
Chuck Woolery and, and Love Connection different from Love island. You point out a couple of those. Different.
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Lance Armstrong
It's very, very different. But tonight we'll sit around and watch them on YouTube. Anyways, Chuck was this cool debonair guy and he wore this huge Rolex. Every time they went to break you said back in 2 and 2 but he made sure to show the rollie 2 and 2. And he did it like that. I mean anyways. And I guess commercials are longer now so it's two and three. Two. So Bradley, what was you, you. As we were going there and chatting a little on the break, just thoughts on Tadi Pogaar.
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Spencer Martin
Well, I think there was definitely just an observation but you know the racing that we saw all day the first time through the mud of Bhutan and then we got this stalemate about a K to go on the climb and we were all kind of waiting for something to happen and Tim Wellens did that pull. Now Tim Wellens if UAE Ride like that and commit like that. We know what happens off the back of that. You know, it's lights out. And for Tim Wellens to do a ride like that and a pull like that, if the plan wasn't for today to launch off that and go full beans. And I think that was the plan. But I think there had to be a rethink of that plan. When they heard Almeida had crashed and so today then found himself in a position where Wellands had pulled off. It was still 1.4km to the finish from there. I think he may have thought that was too early to go. And we saw this stalemate and then had a. Waited for his other teammates, Jonathan Arise. Yeah, the Ecuadorian.
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Lance Armstrong
And.
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Spencer Martin
And it kind of that. So from the crash from Almeida, I think it just. It disrupted what their initial plan was. And I think the plan today was Wellands, Paul like that, you know, that we only know, you know, it's lights out normally off the back of that. And Tally didn't know what to do in that moment. And he was, we saw in his interview after he seemed quite concerned about the well being of Almeida from that crash. And they had to have a rethink on the climb in the final.
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George Hincapie
And look, we've done that climb before. 1400 meters ago. There's essentially only 400 meters of climbing left. The rest is a slight uphill, about 1 2%. We didn't really take a look at the wind, whether it was headwind or not, but perhaps there's a, you know, just a smart decision. Okay, I'm just going to wait and see what these guys do here as opposed to just leading them out to the finish line.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, I think we're seeing it. Super interesting evolution from Pagachar because it used to just be smash, smash. Like last guy goes, he always attacks. You could say, well, maybe he's not as fit as he wants to be. I kind of think we're seeing him like grow up. Basically grow up before our eyes. Like, okay, I lost a guy. Almeida's supposed to be here. And he waited for Narvaez. Like you could see him.
- [20:56]
Lance Armstrong
Like wait.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Because if he attacks, we know like Jonas today was strong enough to go with him. And then as George says, he's stuck on that false flat with Jonas. That gets complicated. I thought it was really smart just to wait for Navajos to come back, get to the front. He had a nice little lead out from Remco. That always helps. And, and then, then he could do his thing. And he still got a tie the crazy thing to me is it's a, basically a simple sprint finish and he gets time gaps on everyone but Vindergaard. That's shows you the level is just.
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Spencer Martin
You could see though that Tade, Tade not attacking caused confusion in that front. Like everyone was kind of ready, ready to go. And Remco was on the front thinking, okay, this wasn't supposed to happen.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
And Remco didn't know what to do. So he just rode and carried on riding that tempo. And it was kind of. They were all waiting for Tade and that was the point there. I thought now the way Jonas looked today, it would have been a moment for him to maybe get a jump on Tade in that sprint because when they do sprint, they, they stay the same.
- [21:48]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
So Yunus has just as much speed as him, just not anymore to pass him. So that was quite interesting. It was a good day for Jonas, I think from that point of view.
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George Hincapie
I'd love to see, I'd love to know what, what Jonas was saying to Matteo Jurgensen with about 4 or 500 meters ago. He kept looking back and I felt like he was saying go, go or something like that. I mean they had two guys still there, really well represented, but they don't really have an advantage in terms of like teammates against UAE right now currently. But like we keep saying, maybe that'll change in the mountains. We keep saying that. A couple days ago when Poguchar attacked, normally every other race this year he rode away from everybody with 10k to go or even more 40k to go in other races, like you said today he didn't attack. So maybe that's setting up for the anticipation for when we get to the mountains.
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Lance Armstrong
And if you want to hold out any hope that this tour gets exciting and you want to become an armchair analyst of body language and tone. I thought Pogachar was subdued at the finish. And it could have been what you just laid out, Bradley, or it could have been concern for Almeida or a whole host of other things, but he was more subdued than normal.
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Spencer Martin
Well, he also did a one arm salute today.
- [23:04]
Lance Armstrong
And not the full, not the double. Yeah, now we're really, you know, you.
- [23:09]
Spencer Martin
Know, we saw that, you know, how exciting, you know, when he won the other day's hundredth victory, you know, it was a full fist pump energy. Today was just a kind of subdued one off maybe.
- [23:20]
George Hincapie
Do you think that's, he's.
- [23:21]
Spencer Martin
I don't know, just, I mean, we're picking holes here and things.
- [23:23]
George Hincapie
We're trying to. We're looking for hope.
- [23:25]
Spencer Martin
We're also trying to keep, you know, you know, this tour alive.
- [23:29]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Not sit here and say it's dumb.
- [23:31]
George Hincapie
Yeah. No, I agree.
- [23:32]
Lance Armstrong
Right.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, they did lose. They lost a card to play. Like the Almeda crash. Like, it's all tatting now. There's no plan B. Like, they can't get cute in the mountains. Does it actually help him, though? Does it help Pagadjar's main goal of, like, now I have a dedicated domestic. Assuming he's fine and can ride.
- [23:48]
George Hincapie
You would think so. Because then he can do his work and just not try to keep his overall position, which is a big advantage for a guy like that. Not having to worry about the last 5k of a climb. Just do his job. And seeing the douches.
- [24:00]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, he's going to feel that crash.
- [24:03]
George Hincapie
Oh, yeah.
- [24:03]
Lance Armstrong
And they showed him at the finish. He was torn up all over. And that's the other thing, too. Sometimes you hit on one side.
- [24:11]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
- [24:11]
Lance Armstrong
And you've just got the road rash on one side. So you say to yourself, because with road rash, obviously get sore from that. But it affects things, really important things, like sleep. If you just land on one side, you say, that's okay. I'll sleep on the other side tonight. He had it all over the place. At first I thought he caught a little more grass slash side of the road. Clearly he didn't. That's going to affect him. And he just didn't. You saw his face at the finish. He was miserable. Yeah. And a crash that probably just never should.
- [24:42]
George Hincapie
Yeah. Hopefully those other guys. Eddie Dunbar went down hard.
- [24:47]
Lance Armstrong
Martinez was down.
- [24:48]
George Hincapie
Martinez, who won yesterday. That's my mind. Ben Healy went down. Think about going from the highs of yesterday. Yeah. Apparently busting your ass. Hopefully these guys are okay.
- [24:59]
Spencer Martin
Dunbar apparently has gone for a. A scan on his wrist.
- [25:02]
George Hincapie
Two of the Bahrain guys were messed up. They weren't moving. Ms. Gary, stuff is getting closer.
- [25:08]
Lance Armstrong
Remember years ago, years ago, they first started sponsoring this team and they spent all this money and people like us sit up here and George just absolutely butchering their name. Like, whoa. What?
- [25:23]
George Hincapie
Yeah. You don't want to see that. And it's very uncommon with a group of 25 guys so close to the fitness. Yeah. 200 guys still there. That's. That's normal. Crash like that. But something like that just means that they were just going so hard on the gas. Heart rates at, you know, 190, 200. And you just. You just can't react this quick.
- [25:39]
Lance Armstrong
A little. A Little bit in the forest there. So you're getting. You get these splotches of sun and shade. That's always tricky on the eyes. Guys are tired. Maybe just miss something, cross the wheel and. And. But look bad.
- [25:52]
George Hincapie
Not only that, when you're in a group like that and you're coming close to the finish and it's only 20 guys, the last thing you're thinking is going to happen is the crash. When you're in a group of 150 guys, you're like, you're ready. Elbows out. You're super aware you're this. They're just thinking, right. I'm recovering, trying to get to this next climb to see how good I can do. They're not thinking about having to avoid a crash whatsoever.
- [26:11]
Lance Armstrong
Okay, I can't wait any longer. I can't wait any longer. I have to. I've spent, I don't know, 30 years watching coverage of Tour France and these helicopter shots of castles, creeks, yard art, hay bales, whatever. This one. This is. This is unbelievable. All right. This is the local soccer field. Wow. I have no idea how they were able to do this. That is Bernard Hino, of course, from these parts of France, was in the race today in the lead car. Really cool to see him there. We don't need to sit here and be like art critics. But this is incredible.
- [26:48]
George Hincapie
That really is.
- [26:49]
Lance Armstrong
That's AI for. Oh, I never. I never thought about AI. We always talk about. Everybody's talking about what AI will do for us.
- [26:57]
George Hincapie
This is a stupid question. What flag is that?
- [27:00]
Lance Armstrong
That's the Normandy flag.
- [27:01]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Is it the Breton flag or the norm?
- [27:03]
Spencer Martin
One of them.
- [27:04]
George Hincapie
Okay.
- [27:04]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, yeah. The black and white.
- [27:06]
George Hincapie
Nice.
- [27:07]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Which is. It's like a sister language to Welsh, right? Yeah, like the Breton flag.
- [27:12]
Spencer Martin
So.
- [27:12]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, yeah. Gabrielle, put it, put it up one more time. This is just too good. Not too.
- [27:16]
George Hincapie
To look at.
- [27:17]
Lance Armstrong
I mean, anybody in that part. Whoever busted out their lawnmower and did that. Just tell us how you did it. Like sent us a little clip. We're going to talk about tomorrow's stage. We're going to take some questions. I'm going to put Spencer on the spot. Maybe who he's got for. For Outcomes later in the day.
- [27:36]
George Hincapie
Then they won't watch Outcomes.
- [27:38]
Lance Armstrong
Okay, well, then that's up to him. If he wants to answer, it's his show.
- [27:41]
George Hincapie
So if you.
- [27:42]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
If you want to change my answer, I do my meditation on the ride home too, on this stage. So this isn't the real canon answer.
- [27:48]
Lance Armstrong
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- [29:05]
George Hincapie
Some guys are coming here today or tomorrow so we can ask them.
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- [30:11]
George Hincapie
We, we haven't shouted out Kevin Bacalon either. I mean, he continues to impress. I actually like didn't really consider him as like being able to hang on in the big mountains. Spencer pointed out he got second place in the Tour of Switzerland. He's full of confidence right there. Right now you can see the whole team is behind them. It's been quite the start of the Tour de France for Kevin Bakke contracts.
- [30:30]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Up well in the team, maybe is folding or does well enough, maybe not.
- [30:35]
Lance Armstrong
I mean, you would. You would think he has a home for 20, 26, but there might be. Might be down to a couple few teams that. That is guaranteed to motivate any athlete. Not just a cyclist, but any athlete. Like that kid. Yeah, there's some good stories.
- [30:52]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
He's, like, having a good time, too, which you can't underrate because it's. I think he's from Normandy, so we've. Technically, he left his home region, but, like, after the stage every day, you can tell he's just, like, having the time of his life. Good vibes. Can't underrate him. George is worried he'd crack in the mountains, but I'm not so sure. I'd actually. With Almeida out, too, that third podium spot, wide open. So keep an eye on.
- [31:14]
George Hincapie
So who are you giving the second.
- [31:15]
Lance Armstrong
What about Remco?
- [31:16]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
I think if we're being realistic, it's Tade. I mean, from what we saw today, it's Tad and Jonas Remco. I don't know. I mean, I hope Johan Vernil's not watching or I'll be in big trouble. But the climbing, to me, big question mark. Like, Dofine. Like, she feels like he was getting dropped by Florin Lipowitz on the climbs in the Dofine. Like, maybe he's turned it around, but.
- [31:37]
George Hincapie
I have a feeling we're gonna see a completely different climbing capabilities. Since it's so late in the Tour de France, we keep discussing it from. From Remco, from Jonas. I keep in the back of my mind, I have hope that they've been planning to reach their peak climbing. You know, after 10 days of just getting through these stages, which they've done more than get through. I mean, Remco's won a stage. Jonas has been second, third a bunch of times, like, but they're in ideal position right now.
- [32:04]
Lance Armstrong
Okay, so it's wide open for that. For that third spot. Right. You even got to throw a Mateo Jorgensen in there. Yeah. Don't you? I mean, Raquel and Jorgensen. Why not?
- [32:13]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [32:15]
Lance Armstrong
I mean, let's hope we're. Let's hope we're as interested in this as we are. And who wins the yellow jersey.
- [32:24]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I mean, I don't think we should be too down. I mean, that was a good showing from Jones today.
- [32:29]
Lance Armstrong
I think everything we said today is spot on. There was some. I'm going to chalk it up to him being concerned about Almeida being subdued in the post, something was off and Jonas looked good. Let's just hold on to that.
- [32:44]
Spencer Martin
The thing with Jonas is, aside from the time trial, which we had a theory on yesterday as to why he maybe lost so much time, you take Tade out the picture, Jonas is clearly stronger than anyone else in this journey.
- [32:55]
Lance Armstrong
That's right.
- [32:56]
Spencer Martin
So, you know, let's, you know, let's hold faith in him.
- [32:59]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Nope. On the time trial. I saw today from Visma that they identified the problem in the time trial.
- [33:05]
Lance Armstrong
Okay.
- [33:05]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
But they are not telling us what it is.
- [33:07]
George Hincapie
Oh, I bet you.
- [33:08]
Lance Armstrong
All right. I was about to say here comes a scoop.
- [33:12]
George Hincapie
I know we're going to talk about tomorrow, but the next two days, you know, you're. Now we're talking about stage eight, nine of the Tour de France.
- [33:17]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. Now we're in the media.
- [33:18]
George Hincapie
You've gone through the crap stuff. But arguably these sprint stages could be some of the most dangerous, impactful stages of the whole Tour de France thus far.
- [33:27]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
- [33:27]
George Hincapie
I mean, the sprinters are gonna risk their lives to win a stage. I mean, the, the amount of work and risk they're going to take and that's going to make it dangerous for the GC guys. Hopefully we don't see anything happen. But if it was me back in the day, in our day, I know that I'd be looking at tomorrow and the next day going, shit, man, I hope we get through this because we've gone through everything else.
- [33:45]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
- [33:46]
George Hincapie
But now when everybody feels like they have a chance. Yeah. And it makes it a lot more dangerous.
- [33:50]
Lance Armstrong
Let's look at tomorrow. 171 kilometers, you know, up and down, kind of all day long. Okay. Yeah, there it is. Got that sprint almost exactly halfway. Little schnock at the end with 16k to go. Nothing. Nothing to speak up. But this, this is one for the sprinters.
- [34:13]
George Hincapie
Yep.
- [34:13]
Lance Armstrong
I did, I did have a look at the run in. Just because kind of you're talking about crashes and we've, we've expressed concern or we had questions about the run in several days ago, actually. I mean, sir. Bradley, look at this run in. I mean, this is interesting. Right, you're down here hard right. Big round, about 2k to go. Another, you know, they're just not that straightforward. You don't know. I mean, you got this, you got to be a heads up bike racer. But we're looking at a. I guess we could have a breakaway.
- [34:42]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [34:43]
Lance Armstrong
I mean, you're starting to look at the last opportunities.
- [34:45]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
- [34:46]
Lance Armstrong
For the sprinters, there'll be a breakaway.
- [34:48]
George Hincapie
That the sprinter teams will let get away just to have control, neutralize. They'll go to the front right away. Keep them at two, three minutes.
- [34:54]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
- [34:54]
George Hincapie
And reel them in.
- [34:55]
Lance Armstrong
This is.
- [34:56]
Spencer Martin
We have little track tomorrow. Have to.
- [34:57]
George Hincapie
This is. Yeah.
- [34:58]
Spencer Martin
Jonathan Milan.
- [34:59]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [35:00]
Spencer Martin
There's nothing crashed.
- [35:01]
Lance Armstrong
We're looking at two more true sprint stages left. Champs Elysees may no longer be one of those. Yeah. So.
- [35:11]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And the bucket of points available, too, on these sprint stages. So it's like Gurmail and Milan, if they're really serious about green, like, their teams are gonna have to do a lot of work.
- [35:19]
George Hincapie
And did you see that sprint today? How easily Milan won that sprint?
- [35:23]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
He's the best intermediate sprint.
- [35:24]
George Hincapie
He won by, like, three, four bike lanes.
- [35:25]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
- [35:26]
George Hincapie
Okay. It was on a different plan in this.
- [35:28]
Lance Armstrong
Still got to get to Paris.
- [35:29]
George Hincapie
Yep.
- [35:31]
Lance Armstrong
Questions? We got any. Any. Any, by the way, on the questions front. If you do have questions, send them over. Infoedo team. Infoedo Team.
- [35:41]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
I've got two, so the first one's for Bradley. So this is from Carl. He said, I know Pagachar was the fifth rider in history to wear all three jerseys, but how many have lost them all on the same day? You know the answer.
- [35:53]
Spencer Martin
I don't know the answer.
- [35:53]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know more about the Tour de France than anyone I know.
- [35:55]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [35:56]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
I had to look this up. It's. It's one person. Bernardi.
- [36:00]
Lance Armstrong
No. Okay.
- [36:01]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Not bad company to be.
- [36:02]
George Hincapie
No, no, no.
- [36:03]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And then the second one. I think I know the answer. This is from Will do. Teams listen to each other's radio channels. If not allowed are the rumors. They listen in signal steel.
- [36:13]
Spencer Martin
They definitely used to, didn't they?
- [36:14]
George Hincapie
Yeah, yeah.
- [36:16]
Spencer Martin
Used to have a scanner, didn't they? And scan across the.
- [36:21]
Lance Armstrong
I'm gonna take the fifth. I'm gonna take the fifth. On that. Look, I. So that gave you your answer. But now we're. You know. And I love this idea. I've said this for. For many, many years. There's always been this debate about race radios, communication between the riders and the team car. There are two camps, right? There's the camp of we shouldn't allow this. It's. It's making the race racing too predictable. The athletes don't have to think, et cetera, et cetera. There's also a camp that says, for safety and for wanting to be a modern sport, you should have communication. I agree with that. I'm in the latter camp, but I've also always said that, look, this is content. And we're now starting the last couple of Years. You see that, at least here in the US On Peacock, they will actually have snippets of communications between the director and the writers. I think that's interesting. Yeah. And you see it in every. If we compare ourselves, I like to compare cycling to motorsports, whether it be nascar, whether it be Formula one. You hear those communications and to me, that's interesting content. So we've gotten there. I don't think radios are going away. And then of course, in and around that conversation, it leads to other things. Should. Should we not have cycling computers? What was the other stuff they say? Should we not have handlebars? I haven't heard the one about no handlebars. Although George did attempt to write a section of Perry Roubaix without handlebars. That was bump air for that.
- [38:00]
George Hincapie
Anybody want to see it? That's my Roubaix bump. You guys see it?
- [38:06]
Spencer Martin
Maybe.
- [38:06]
Lance Armstrong
Is that why your arm is so short? Because that one arm, when it's time to go to dinner with everybody, that one arm, that right arm, just really short. It can't quite reach the pocket where the wallet is.
- [38:16]
George Hincapie
Speaking of dinner, I was going to make you nice dinner last night. Yo, what time are you coming home?
- [38:19]
Spencer Martin
Late.
- [38:20]
George Hincapie
That was the only words. Hi. What's up? Everything good? Nope, didn't care.
- [38:26]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And then it's fun. If you know someone's stealing your like an F1, it's all public so they know people are listening. And then you get like the second layer where they give incorrect information to their own driver to try to trick the other teams. So.
- [38:37]
Lance Armstrong
Well, that then becomes the question, Right. In terms of this content and making race communication public, do you have another system where there's maybe another channel that isn't public? I. I don't know.
- [38:53]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Maybe they should learn like Native American languages or something. And then they are the only people that.
- [38:57]
George Hincapie
Well, we had. We had that advantage with Johan because he spoke five languages. Yeah. And then we also had American slang that nobody, even if they spoke English, could understand. We had a little code going in case they were listening to us.
- [39:11]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And you guys would never manipulate it, right?
- [39:14]
Lance Armstrong
Say that. I don't.
- [39:15]
Spencer Martin
I don't.
- [39:16]
Lance Armstrong
That's pretty good, you know, that's pretty.
- [39:18]
George Hincapie
Good for a first.
- [39:19]
Lance Armstrong
For a first go. That was exceptional.
- [39:21]
Spencer Martin
Podung Mofo.
- [39:30]
Lance Armstrong
Time for the Ventum trivia. Excuse me. Of the day. The mirror de Britanna is featured twice in the closing kilometers. Was featured twice in the closing kilometers of Stage 7. A modern monument known for decisive monuments in the early stages. How is it?
- [39:46]
Spencer Martin
Cool.
- [39:47]
Lance Armstrong
Oh, here we Are testing the boy from Plano. Oh, boy. Colloquially. Don't stop me with these words. Colloquially.
- [39:58]
Spencer Martin
Colloquially.
- [39:58]
Lance Armstrong
No. Colloquially.
- [39:59]
George Hincapie
Colloquially.
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Spencer Martin
How is.
- [40:01]
Lance Armstrong
Let me say this again. How is it colloquially named?
- [40:04]
Spencer Martin
Feed the animals. Okay, sorry.
- [40:06]
Lance Armstrong
Feed the animals. The mirror de Bretagne, featured twice in today's closing kilometers. A modern monument known for decisive moments. How is it colloquially known? That is your question of the day. Mentum trivia question of the day for stage seven. And the answer to yesterday's question, which really wasn't a tough one. The answer to that one was six categorized climbs. We're in the meat of it now.
- [40:33]
George Hincapie
We are.
- [40:34]
Lance Armstrong
We're weekend. We made the. I don't know if it's a mistake, but we got ahead of ourselves. We looked at tomorrow Sprint stage, Sunday Sprint stage. And then we. Maybe in honor of Bastille Day, the fact it's not your traditional Monday rest day, we looked at Monday stage. If you folks want to get excited about what's coming. I know it's a weekend, you know, you may have other things to do. Don't watch the Tour, but go look at Monday stage. Holy hell.
- [40:59]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And it ice.
- [41:00]
Lance Armstrong
It's inspiring.
- [41:01]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
When you guys see it is massive centrality. What hot, fat roads.
- [41:06]
George Hincapie
I still have nightmares about the massive central. Especially if you're trying to control the yellow jersey. It's big, wide open roads, small roads, and up. It's like straight up and down for 2.3k. Straight down for 2.3k. When you have these big roads, you have guys just flying in from behind with momentum. Attack you at the bottom of the climbs. As a team controlling the Tour de France, there's nothing worse than that, I can assure you.
- [41:30]
Lance Armstrong
That's right. You know, George, always the ever nice guy and always just very pleasant. Very, very peaceful when not in the Massif Central. I'd never seen the man, so he was channeling his inner lance. So cranky.
- [41:44]
George Hincapie
Oh, yeah.
- [41:45]
Lance Armstrong
During those stages, well, it was up.
- [41:46]
George Hincapie
To me to control the breakaway. So it's a very stressful job.
- [41:50]
Lance Armstrong
I'm back there like, what's the big deal? Just let them.
- [41:54]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Just let these guys have some chances, George.
- [41:55]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, just let them know. Let them sit out there a little bit. And you guys.
- [41:59]
Spencer Martin
Yeah, I mean, everything looks the same in the massive central. Yeah, it's all green and tough and hot.
- [42:05]
George Hincapie
And hot.
- [42:06]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. Let's see what the heat does. All right, last two stages, last two chances for sprinters starting tomorrow and Sunday. Best of luck to them, everybody. Thank you for tuning in. Spencer, thanks for coming out from behind. Thanks for having me back tomorrow too. Welcome to the park. We'll see how you know. We'll see. I thought he behaved.
- [42:28]
George Hincapie
Probation.
- [42:29]
Lance Armstrong
I thought it was great today. Behaved Today he's going to meditate on his bike, ride home and pick. Probably pick the winner for tomorrow. Johan, if you're listening, pick it up. All right. Thanks for tuning in. See you tomorrow, Sa.