Clever Racing Defeats Raw Strength on Mount Ventoux | Tour de France 2025 Stage 16 | THEMOVE

Summary

THEMOVE Podcast Episode Summary

Title: Clever Racing Defeats Raw Strength on Mount Ventoux | Tour de France 2025 Stage 16
Release Date: July 22, 2025
Hosts: Lance Armstrong, Sir Bradley Wiggins, Georgina Cappy, Spencer Martin, The Professor

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1. Introduction to Stage 16

The episode kicks off with Lance Armstrong and Sir Bradley Wiggins delving into the excitement surrounding Stage 16 of the 2025 Tour de France, which spans from Montpellier to the iconic Mont Ventoux.

Lance Armstrong [00:00]:
“This is one of the most exciting stages so far. We're talking about Stage 16 from Montpellier to Mont Ventoux.”

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2. Route Characteristics and Challenges

The hosts discuss the demanding nature of the stage, highlighting the 50-kilometer ascent to Mont Ventoux with an average gradient that translates to approximately 31 miles per hour for riders unfamiliar with such terrains.

The Professor [01:03]:
“That 50 kilometer average, folks at home that think in miles, that's 31 miles an hour to the base of Mont Ventoux.”

They emphasize the strategic complexity introduced by the new third side coming up to Chalet Renard, adding to the mountain's mystique and historical significance.

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3. Key Performances and Breakaways

Valentin Perret's impressive victory is a focal point, showcasing his resilience at 114 pounds battling against Ben Healy, dubbed the "Energizer Bunny of the Tour 2025." The crew praises Perret's tactical acumen and the Quick-Step team's flawless execution.

Lance Armstrong [03:20]:
“If you kids at home watching bike racing, that was a great team game that Quick-Step played and all 114 pounds of this guy.”

Sir Bradley Wiggins commends the teamwork that led to Ben Wilder's last-minute victory, highlighting the seamless coordination between Perret, Healy, and Wilder.

Bradley Wiggins [03:48]:
“It couldn't have gone more perfect for them. It was really fun to watch.”

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4. Team Strategies and Dynamics

The discussion shifts to team strategies, particularly how Quick-Step managed to dominate despite losing their GC contender. The hosts analyze the aggressive moves by Ben Healy and Valentin Perret, attributing their success to superior teamwork and strategic pacing.

Lance Armstrong [15:55]:
"As a rider in the team, there's no better feeling than being able to pull off helping your teammate win and knowing that you put it all on the line."

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5. Standings and Implications

Jonas Vingegaard's performance is scrutinized, with the hosts noting his exceptional climb up Mont Ventoux, setting a new all-time record and positioning himself strongly against contenders like Tade Poachar and Primož Roglič.

Spencer Martin [20:52]:
"Yeah, that seems pretty good."

They discuss the implications of these performances on the overall standings, particularly the potential shifts in the polka dot jersey and green jersey races.

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6. Rider Insights and Personal Stories

Lance Armstrong shares personal anecdotes, including his reflections on past climbs and the enduring allure of Mont Ventoux. The conversation also touches upon the psychological aspects of racing, such as the pressure on French teams and emerging riders like Remco and Matteo Jorgensen.

Lance Armstrong [09:43]:
"I saw a clip that Johan backed me up on this which is pretty rare. I think it's the hardest climb in France. It's certainly one of the hardest and has the mystique of the Ventoux."

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7. Historical Context and Trivia

The hosts delve into the rich history of Mont Ventoux, discussing its transformation from a forested mountain in the 1200s to its current barren state due to deforestation. They compare historical performances and records, highlighting the significance of current achievements in the context of past races.

Lance Armstrong [35:00]:
"Did you know that the weather station at the top dates back to 1882? It's one of the most iconic landmarks on the climb."

A trivia segment engages listeners with questions about past races and notable events related to Mont Ventoux.

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8. Listener Engagement and Final Thoughts

The episode concludes with audience questions, humorous exchanges, and reflections on the remaining stages of the Tour. The hosts anticipate intense competition and strategic maneuvers in the final week, emphasizing the unpredictable nature of the race.

Georgina Cappy [35:19]:
"Blows through Provence."

Bradley Wiggins [37:07]:
"They're getting aggressive. It's going to be mass chaos tomorrow from the start."

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Notable Quotes

• Lance Armstrong [00:00]:
  “This is one of the most exciting stages so far.”

• Sir Bradley Wiggins [03:48]:
  “It couldn't have gone more perfect for them. It was really fun to watch.”

• Lance Armstrong [15:55]:
  “There's no better feeling than being able to pull off helping your teammate win.”

• Lance Armstrong [35:00]:
  “Did you know that the weather station at the top dates back to 1882?”

• Bradley Wiggins [37:07]:
  “It's going to be mass chaos tomorrow from the start.”

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Conclusion

In this riveting episode of THEMOVE, Lance Armstrong and his co-hosts provide an in-depth analysis of Stage 16 of the 2025 Tour de France. They explore the strategic brilliance of team Quick-Step, the formidable performances of emerging talents like Valentin Perret and Jonas Vingegaard, and the enduring legacy of Mont Ventoux. Engaging anecdotes, historical insights, and lively discussions make this episode a must-listen for cycling enthusiasts eager to gain insider perspectives on one of the world's most prestigious sporting events.

Transcript

[Lance Armstrong]

Valentin Perret. Whatever. I can't get. I mean, it's. This is a hard game to play on any level. If you're 114 pounds and you're quacking in the Tour de France for three weeks, that's gotta be hard for him to still be in this race. And to punch and counter punch with Ben Healy, the Energizer bunny of the 2025 Tour. I mean, we said it when we said this is one of the most exciting stages so far. This is the Move podcast talking about stage 16. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins. Howdy, Mr. Georgine Cappy. We are going to get a hat on the show one day. And the Professor. Good morning, Spencer Martin. We do have. The professor is going to come in handy today because we got some fun stats about Mont Ventou, the Giant of Provence. It's such a special place. But Alain, tell us, tell us, you know, tell us what we did today.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Stage 16.

[Lance Armstrong]

From Montpellier to Mont Ventou. From Montpellier to Mont Ventou, as is the case each and every day. Presented by ketoneiq. Well, coming out of the rest day, I can't think of anything worse to do than a. What did you tell me, professor? That. That 50 kilometer average, folks at home that think in miles, that's 31 miles an hour to the base of Montvon, too.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah. Out of the rest day. How do you do?

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, nasty. Nasty.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, nasty. Last time I rode, that was 2009. Very similar stage, flat running, lots of wind. Bradley, you were there. Actually, Lance was there too.

[Lance Armstrong]

I was there.

[Bradley Wiggins]

We arrived at the foot of the Montuvabantu. Sorry. With like 25 guys because somebody else has been on a rest day because on the. Of the crosswinds.

[Georgina Cappy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

What happens when something like that happens? You have to be super moska. You have to be paying attention because everybody's thinking about the final climb. But all of a sudden, the crosswind's happening and the peloton's exploding. And it was fun to arrive at the bottom of Van 2. And I just kind of rode up my face. Obviously you guys had to race for your GC, but I think I still finished top 20. Just chilling.

[Spencer Martin]

All right, do you guys remember who won that stage?

[Bradley Wiggins]

2000? Oh, that's a good question.

[Spencer Martin]

It's harder than you think.

[Lance Armstrong]

Of course, Bradley remembers. Who?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Garate from Roblox.

[Georgina Cappy]

Tony Mah was second.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Tony was on my team.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, we talked about that. I mean, this is a stage that. And we saw it today. Right. And we saw it during our heyday with Richard Diggy v Varonck being able to stay away and win the stage. Which I don't know how I feel about that. Vong2 is just such a special mountain. Right. You love a day where. And look it is.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You're still bitter about giving that win away, aren't you?

[Lance Armstrong]

I'm so bitter.

[Spencer Martin]

Very.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I could see you watching it today just like very, very steaming up. I don't love it.

[Lance Armstrong]

I don't love it. But we'll get into all that action and just the dynamic of the race and how it played out today. Look also too. We should before we take care of a little business. Valentin Paris. I mean what a win. What a win. Right. And. And a team win.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

So if you kids at home watching watching bike racing, that. That's. That was a great team game that quick step played and all 114 pounds of this guy.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Not only that. Coming from group two and shown like mad focus and poise all the way up to climb. Doing the work with Ben Healy, bridging up to Enrique Moss and then Ben Wilder, MVP of the stage coming up. I mean how exciting was that stage? I think the most exciting stage of the.

[Lance Armstrong]

It was very.

[Spencer Martin]

We thought he came out of the crowd.

[Georgina Cappy]

Yeah, I know. I. I never even seen him in the race. It looked like he was on an ebike.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You said Remco can jump back in.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

I mean I actually thought he was a spectator for a minute because we hadn't seen him the whole climb.

[Bradley Wiggins]

We hadn't.

[Georgina Cappy]

We'd just seen those guys going toe to toe with each other all the way up.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

And Rick Mass looked like he was going to. You thought he was going to get it at one time?

[Bradley Wiggins]

I did. I mean when he went, you know, being a top five finisher of the Tour de France, having six minutes on the yellow jersey. Over a minute and change on the second group. Dropping the Dutch guy on Ineos and Al Philippe. I thought he was going to roll away with it.

[Georgina Cappy]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

It just shows you this. This race is wearing on 16 stages in. You guys are just. You seeing it, right. When we talk later in the show about the green jersey, you're really seeing it with a guy like Jonathan Milan just taking this toll. Right. And so today's show brought to you by Zwift. So they recently rolled out its new cog and click. Got it right here. Product you can use almost any bike you already own. Even one from any old random store that you go to and it still feels like you're on a top end. Smart trainer Zwift ready trainers are available from all the top manufacturers. Wahoo, Garmin Elite, Jet Black and Decathlon Setting a new benchmark for indoor training. All Zwift ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and click installed, making them ready to ride from the box. No extras needed. So simple. And no need to remove your cassette. And did you know that now outdoor rides count towards your Zwift Fitness score? So I got a score yesterday. I rode my bike yesterday on the rest day by myself.

[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Georgina Cappy]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Georgina Cappy]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

Can we get Lance on some of that? Because maybe he'll start inviting me on some of these rides. Or not complaining as much on the rides.

[Lance Armstrong]

Chill, chill, chill.

[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

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[Lance Armstrong]

Nothing about the. Nothing about the circulation today?

[Georgina Cappy]

Well, yeah, I mean, it does produce.

[Lance Armstrong]

The desk was starting to lean on.

[Georgina Cappy]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Georgina Cappy]

I can do.

[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Georgina Cappy]

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[Spencer Martin]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Georgina Cappy]

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[Lance Armstrong]

George was wearing his hoodie when we took it off. I walked in this morning. I was late. I wasn't helped by a peloton that was going 50 kilometers an hour. But when I finally got up post, rest day, family was gone. Wife was down in Denver with Grace at seeing Mumford and Sons.

[Spencer Martin]

Oh, man.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Oh, now I understand why you went riding along. You love your me time, don't you?

[Lance Armstrong]

I think I'm gonna go down and to the show with Grace. I was like, okay, so I can play golf with my buddies and just do nothing?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Go biking with your buddies. Oh, maybe not. No. Go Bing by yourself.

[Lance Armstrong]

So I go ride by my ride with my favorite person, play golf with some homies, kind of just come home, chill, do nothing, Scratch a pilot all alone.

[Georgina Cappy]

Found your shoes.

[Lance Armstrong]

I found my slippers. Thank you. Riley. But no, when I finally got up it was on and I remember thinking geez, I'm not going to get down to the studio until they have already started them on too. It's just such a special climb. I said it the other day and I do believe it. And I saw a clip that Johan backed me up on this which is pretty rare. I think it's the hardest climb in France. It's certainly. And look, there's some great climbs in France, some very hard climbs in France. I don't think any of them are this hard. And also have the mystique of the volunteer. I just love the vibe of it. Here it is in the middle of. You know, you're in Provence. You saw it. If you watch the race, you saw the helicopter shots. It's just so gorgeous. I think Provence is, you know, they kick me out of the U S and you're looking for me. Just look for me in Provence. I'll be in Provence. I love it. The riding's great. And then bam. This massive mountain just appears out of nowhere. It's. It's just so special.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It is. And one of my not to do any plugs for former sponsors but being the BMC family has a hotel called La Coquillad. Beautiful. 30 kilometers from the base of Mount Ventu. One of the nicest places I've ever stayed at. But a lot of people don't realize they start, they show like when the climb actually starts. But we all know that like 5, 7k run into the bottom of the climb. Slightly uphill, super exposed is about as hard as it gets. Any run into any horse category climb in the Tour de France. That's what makes this climb even more difficult than most of them.

[Lance Armstrong]

And little, little do a lot of people know. I think most people are aware there is a backside. The riders and the teams and team cars would have gone down the backside. Today there's actually a third side comes up from another point up to Chalet Renard. So you would have done sort of the second, third, second half of the traditional Vontu. But it's just incredible. You see it sitting there. It's just this bald mountain. Yeah. I spent my whole career thinking boy the altitude is really weird here that nothing can grow. Well that wasn't as I go digging this morning. You know the volunteer was used to be the entire mountain was, was a forest. They started deforesting the mountain in the 1200s to support the ship builders down, down on the coast. And they've tried, you know there's been Some efforts to. To make it a forest again. It's not looking like that's taken off anytime soon. It's also, and this is, and because I asked this question, the other certainly asked myself a lot is why doesn't a climb this special with that much mystique and this much lore and so much history, both good and bad? I mean, how many years has it been, professor, since we did the Vento? It's been quite a few years.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, we did 20, 21. We did it twice in a stage, but it didn't finish on top.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It descended Wild Van Art 1, right.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, yeah. And then remember there was the disaster was that 2016 where they had to move the finish down and then.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Oh yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Compressed all the fans. Richie Port ran into a motorbike. Chris Room is running without his bike.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Not a good situation.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Maybe that's scared him off from doing it for a couple years.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, and it's, it's as I was reading, UNESCO has deemed it, you know, some special environmental site. So you have to imagine that the impact on the mountain.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

With a million spectators, all their campers, all their stuff that a lot of people probably unfortunately leave some stuff behind. That's. I suspect that's the reason we don't see it more often. Nonetheless. Valentin Perret. Whatever. I can't get. I mean, this is a hard game to play on any level. If you're 114 pounds and you're quacking in the Tour de France for three weeks, that's gotta be hard for him to still be in this race. And to punch and counter punch with Ben Healy, the Energizer bunny of the 2025 Tour. I mean, we said it. This is one of the most exciting stages so far.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. I mean this kid has made his career today.

[Georgina Cappy]

Oh yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Instant oh, yeah. French national hero. The way he wrote it, I keep saying, just, just told. Complete poise, confidence, going after Ben Healy, never overdoing it. And then Ben Wilder coming up at the last minute. I mean, how. What? Textbook teamwork. It couldn't have gone more perfect for them. It was really fun to watch.

[Georgina Cappy]

He came out of nowhere though, didn't he?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, he did, yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

I mean we wasn't even. Was he in the original break, Spencer?

[Spencer Martin]

Well, the break went, remember, like there was a three rider break early. It gets like caught and then a bigger break. Yeah. I think he was in the chase group because they had been Wilder and someone else up front and then. But he must have gotten away on the flat like at 50k an hour.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And if you watch the way the guys were racing the breakaway, they were attacking from 4k out, maybe even 5. They were doing these mad attacks to try to drop each other and then slowing down. So. And then when Ben Wilder was able to ride his pace, probably could see him the whole time and just thought, man, if I can get up there. I mean, he didn't even hesitate. It was such an awesome display of teamwork. I love watching that. I mean, that's what teamwork is all about. Something like that, where he just puts it all on the line for himself, knows that his guy has got the best chance to win and just does the most amazing, amazing job for his team. And you can see it at the finish line when he ran up to him and just like, totally hugged it out. Was so happy with it.

[Lance Armstrong]

Um, but he had. Anytime you're in that situation, right, you've got a decision to make. So for him, he would have to go as hard as he possibly could to. To stay out there to even remotely affect the race. Or you just say, look, I've kind of done my job. I'm not a nobody. Nobody, literally nobody, including us, is talking about me. I'll just put it in the biggest cog and just chill up this thing and make the time cut.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Like, yeah, yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That's one of the most questions I get asked, like, how did. How did you do? So many years, like, helping out Lance, helping out Cadell Ev, Mark Cavendish. But as a rider in the team, there's no better feeling than being able to pull off, like, helping your teammate win, but being a major part of it and knowing that you put it all on the line. So for him to go home tonight, he's happy. I mean, he feels like he did. He knows he was the differentiating factor for sure. Maybe, maybe other people will be like, why didn't you go for the win? Well, he knew what he. What he could do for his team that day, and he did it. And it was incredible to watch.

[Spencer Martin]

Can you imagine how hard he must have chased?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Oh, yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Like, I guess it's a good lesson, too. Like always, if you're domestique, like, just keep riding. Yeah, because they slowed down and he was able to catch them.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, that's what I'm saying. That's that point where he has a decision to make.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Maybe he's getting some. I'm sure he's hearing from the car with some. With some strategic advice.

[Bradley Wiggins]

But I wonder. I wonder if the car even. There's so much going on in the van, two people, you know, they're attacking. I wonder if they even knew he was creeping back in. There's probably a good chance that when he rolled up, they're like, oh, shit, we're back in it. Let's go. Get back in the front.

[Lance Armstrong]

You know what I mean? Ben will, you know, turns out he is from Belgium. And it also turns out that Belgians actually know how to race bikes. Yeah. Not a bunch of second nature for them. Unfortunately for Quinn Simmons a couple of days ago, it's just. It's just. Just a different world. Right. They think very strategically. Well.

[Spencer Martin]

And if you're a young rider in Belgium, you're getting roughed up, even if you're very talented, maybe as a way, you wouldn't. If you're an American. I mean, you guys probably were just riding off the front of every race.

[Lance Armstrong]

You did in the U.S. here's a question I was.

[Spencer Martin]

Sorry, Bobby, does this sit all quicksup team? You'd be watching this saying, man, if I'm a GC contender, that looks like a nice team to be on. Which makes it weird that Remco's allegedly trying to leave. Like, it actually looks like a nice landing spot for a GC contender.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, not only that, but it just. It's just such a, you know, testament to the depth and the strength and the will of this team that, you know, they lost their GC guy. They came into the Tour de France, basically given Tim Alir as a free card. Like, hey, go for the sprints if you want to say it's great. They won two stages.

[Lance Armstrong]

Three stages.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Three stages. Well, two with Tim. Right. And then they're.

[Lance Armstrong]

They've won four.

[Georgina Cappy]

They've won four now.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, that's right. Won the time trial. Their GC guy goes home. So now they're like, what do we. What. What do we have now? And then this guy steps up to the plate, makes it an opportunity, wins the biggest stage of the Tour de France so far.

[Spencer Martin]

First French rider to win a stage.

[Georgina Cappy]

Did we say that already?

[Lance Armstrong]

No, but that is the first French rider of this. This year's Tour. And then for a hot second in Rick Mast, it was looking like he could potentially pull it off. That would have been the first Spanish stage victory. 2025. These. These are things like 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. You would never expect to be uttering those words.

[Bradley Wiggins]

No. Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

The other big story today is Jonas Vingegaard. I didn't hate it.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It was good.

[Lance Armstrong]

I didn't hate it.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I thought it was really good.

[Lance Armstrong]

I thought his team was also exceptional. Had guys up there, he had help along the way, you know, look, man, the kid's trying.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

I don't know if it was wishful thinking, but there was a moment where it looked as though Tade was swinging a little bit on his first. On his first acceleration.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yes.

[Georgina Cappy]

And we got a bit excited, didn't we? But after that, Teddy just seemed to get better and better as the climb went on and it was never in doubt. But Yona, I think that was one of the best days he's had.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, we did.

[Georgina Cappy]

We, we.

[Bradley Wiggins]

There is no doubt, there is no hiding on Mount Ventu. No, no. Zero hiding. And interesting comment from Jonas Vindegar in the press, in the, in the press conference and the rest day was that he had the only. The four minutes come just from two bad days that were subpar performance for him. He does, he knows what he can do performance wise. Today you saw what he can do performance wise. He's right there with Poke Char on the hardest climb in Tour de France. No hiding. And we thought maybe he was swinging a little bit, so. But he's lost. Not likely. But maybe he was hurting 80% of.

[Spencer Martin]

His deficit in 70 minutes of racing.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Spencer Martin]

You saw that he's 0.01% behind Pugachar. They're almost equal. Like, it's just those bad moments have sunk him.

[Lance Armstrong]

I, I think Tati Poguchar is in whatever the ripe old age of. Where is taddy now?

[Bradley Wiggins]

What?

[Lance Armstrong]

26 years?

[Spencer Martin]

26.

[Lance Armstrong]

26 years old. I think he's learning the game. Right. And we're all, we all fall for this too. So always look at his face. He's suffering. You know, if you, if you watched five seconds earlier, he, he caught Jonas's wheel while he was in the saddle.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

So I think he's learning to play the game, even in his comments to the press, which I love. Right. Like, like, don't just let these people play like a fiddle. Play them back. So ripe old age is 26 just getting, getting salty.

[Spencer Martin]

Does he have seven more tours in him? That's the question.

[Lance Armstrong]

He might. He might.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That'd be something the way he's going. Yeah, yeah. Wouldn't put it past him.

[Lance Armstrong]

All right, we'll be back in 2 and 32. All right, welcome back, everybody. If you watch the race, you saw it. You saw that they were going this two man race behind Tade Poker Char and Jonas Binger. We're going very fast. In fact, I thought everybody was going Fast when, when Healy and Perry Pontra were attacking. I mean they were from the helicopter shot. Looked like they were flying. Nonetheless, Tati Pogachar sets the all time record up Montvantou. What do we say there, Spence? 54, 41.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Beats a time from Iban Mayo that that we were actually in that race did in a time trial in, in the dolphin libre in 2004 was it?

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah. 2004. 55, 51.

[Lance Armstrong]

55, 51. So those two, of course Todd got in for two seconds on the line so he's now the official best time ever. A minute ten.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And that's a time trial.

[Lance Armstrong]

That was a time trial. So just for those at home, I mean start at the bottom, finish at the top. No, no. Three hours or two and a half hours of going 50k an hour. Wearing out the legs like unbelievable. And if you believe what what the report said, there was a lot of headwind on the second part of the climb. Didn't seem like headwind to me. But those were the reports nonetheless. New best time ever.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, on the broadcast they were saying like oh, if Taday was healthy he probably wins this. It's like well, he got the record by a minute. That seems pretty good.

[Lance Armstrong]

This goes right into what I was just saying that he's perfectly healthy.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, perfectly healthy. We should mention he did have a good draft which you wouldn't get in a time trial because he was in the wheels basically the whole time except for that one attack.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That's true.

[Spencer Martin]

And he was sitting behind Visma sitting behind. And they're going 12 miles an hour average.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll take my chances in a one off time trial then. Then a stage like that. Draft or no draft, what was your.

[Spencer Martin]

Time on Alpe to us in the time travel version?

[Lance Armstrong]

I have no idea. I don't know. That's Bradley.

[Spencer Martin]

It must have been your fastest time. I'd assume the time trial.

[Lance Armstrong]

I, I guess, yeah. I don't know.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Johan would know or somebody would know. I love seeing we mentioned earlier how aggressive Vindo was, putting a lot of time on third place which now he can really just race all out, not worry about keeping his poding spot. He's got six minutes on third place so I think we're going to see a lot more aggression out of him and his team which like you mentioned earlier, they had a great race today. I'm super aggressive. Had guys scattered all the way out throughout the climb that we're able to wait for Jonas and help pacing them and try to make a difference with poker chart they didn't. But I think it was the first time this tour that we actually saw a little grimace on Boca Char's face.

[Georgina Cappy]

Yeah, yeah. It'll be interesting after tomorrow's stage the next two days where they've got, you know, several climbs before the last climb which I think really suits Jonas this Jonas anyway that we've seen today.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, to George's point and we just said it. I mean this is a two man race. Right wing guards 415 behind you got to go all the way down to 903 down to find Florian Lipowitz and our man, Oscar Onley. I love this story. He's now two minutes. I mean this now starts to become a big deal for him. He's having the race of his life. I don't think he expected to be in this position. Boy, he's, he's right there. It is a very big deal.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Someone's knocking. Someone's knocking.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, but he lost. He lost. He suffered today at the end.

[Bradley Wiggins]

But who's coming creeped into fifth place in the overall. He seems to be working within spinning distance of.

[Georgina Cappy]

Well Li today there was a little bit of.

[Bradley Wiggins]

At one point Lipowitz attacked Roglich and then Roguelitz, being the veteran that he was, just kept his pace and was clearly stronger than Lipwitz at the end. Like Bradley said, the two days after on Thursday, Friday are going to be carnage. Yeah, a guy like Roglic, I mean he's hasn't crashed this tour. I'm thinking he's podium.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, I, I, I don't think Primo's Roglic is, is laying awake at night hoping he can be on the podium.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, that's the thing he's got, he doesn't have the pressure he's had this year. He's even said I'm just trying to ride, get a stage. He's going to creep.

[Lance Armstrong]

However, Lipowitz and Onley, I mean these guys are laying awake at night trying to figure out a way and, and figure out a dream to finish on the podium. This will be a fun story to. And there's a lot of hard days. I mean two minutes is a long time. But some of these stages coming up.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

So are you saying you wouldn't want to see Roglic on the podium?

[Lance Armstrong]

No, I didn't say I didn't want to. I just said I think, I think.

[Bradley Wiggins]

The fact that he's not sitting up worrying about it because he's won five Grand Tours is definitely an advantage.

[Spencer Martin]

Did it not look like he could have dropped Lipowitz 100.

[Bradley Wiggins]

He was waiting for him.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, which makes it. If he's gonna. Yeah. Lipowitz would really have to fall apart then for Roglich to ride away and beat him for the podium. That's my concern.

[Lance Armstrong]

Another interesting update today. Matthew Vanderpol does not start with, I guess, sick and then now has been diagnosed. This, to me, is. I couldn't believe the hell has been diagnosed with pneumonia. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty. That's pretty. I've never heard of anybody getting pneumonia.

[Spencer Martin]

Heavy driving the break on Sunday.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, he posted his recovery score. It was 1% on.

[Spencer Martin]

Is that. Doctor, we have questions about this.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, 1% recovery.

[Georgina Cappy]

It's a strange rumor. I mean, if you've got pneumonia, you know, you got pneumonia, I would think.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, I've never had pneumonia, for the record.

[Georgina Cappy]

I haven't, but it's pretty severe. I mean, it's a hospital job, isn't it?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah, there's. There's no doubt. Two weeks, two and a half weeks into the Tour de France, I'd say 70% of the peloton's coughing, sneezing, stuffy, rolling around, half sick. It's just. That's just part of the Tour de France.

[Spencer Martin]

Is this, like, his broken wrist, though? And then, remember, a week later he's racing and it's like, well, was it broken or like, something. Get lost.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I can't imagine him pulling out of the Tour de France for something else after this because he's in the clear, running for the green jersey, which would have been huge, but he's won everything.

[Spencer Martin]

His big objective this year is mountain bike world championship chips. And then Johan said yesterday he talked to someone close to Vanderpoel that said he's not interested in the green.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Huh.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah. So. I don't know. I'm not.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, if he wasn't, why was he going for these bonus friends?

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, that's strange.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, I mean, it's. It's the first. The first time we've ever heard of it.

[Spencer Martin]

But I'm salty because I bet on him yesterday to win the green jersey.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You lost on the MMA fight. Fight. And then Gabrielle flicked you on the MMA fight.

[Lance Armstrong]

Lost the. The. The.

[Spencer Martin]

The Cajun.

[Bradley Wiggins]

The Cajun.

[Lance Armstrong]

He lost in New Orleans, apparently.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Gabrielle said he was. There was no chance. He can't lose.

[Spencer Martin]

He's at home. He's beating all the way.

[Bradley Wiggins]

They went all in on the bet. And then Spenceno over here goes. Don't worry, I got it. Vanderpoel is getting the green today. He's out of the race. So my fund, my investment did not go through on your fund. Right. Because I think there was some mix up with the wire. Yeah. And then.

[Spencer Martin]

And then live bet pagachar plus 100 mid stage to win this stage. The fun might be closing up shop.

[Lance Armstrong]

Also gonna get real interesting here. I don't know what we've done. 16. How many? How many?

[Bradley Wiggins]

16.

[Lance Armstrong]

How many stages? The 16 stage. We have only five left. Is that right?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Do my math for me. Not only that, five left. 15 teams.

[Lance Armstrong]

There's 15 teams without a win.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Have we ever gotten this far into the race without 15 teams winning?

[Spencer Martin]

Maybe like, I don't remember days of the Tour, but not in modern times.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Big teams, big budgets. I mean, a lot of these teams, their whole year relies upon them getting a result here. So it's just going to be crazy hectic racing this final week of the Tour.

[Spencer Martin]

One question for you guys. French teams without stage wins. French rider just wins. French rider was on French team last year.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

How does this happen? Like, how does he get away from decathlon to go to a Belgian team?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, you never know. The dynamics, personalities, you know, lots of teams put a lot of emphasis on the ambiance of the whole team, not necessarily numbers and results. So you don't know what happened there.

[Georgina Cappy]

Yeah, definitely. With French teams, there's a change of environment, change of mentality. When you're in a French team, you know, you're at the Tour de France, you know, the pressure is on every day in the bus and just getting out of that. Sylvan Chavanel did it years ago, broke out and started taking yellow in the Tour. And you know, it's. It's from being in a different environment. He's been in an environment where the. Where the attention has been focused on Remco and his achievements and what he could have accomplished in this race. And so he's had a pretty much easy Tour from that point of view, other than helping Remco. Once Remco has gone home, he's able to flourish.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

It is crazy when you're at the Tour and they just. I don't know. Anonymous cofitis writer finishes like the swarm of press around them, like the pressure must be.

[Georgina Cappy]

Yeah, no, I mean, he'll be in the Soudal bus hearing stories that no Frenchman has won a stage at this race. But the journalists outside his bus aren't asking him those questions. But outside every French bus, it will be even spoke about in the team meetings in the morning. Come on. We need to be the first French team. So the pressure cooker that it builds through that three weeks is immense. And lots of French riders flourish when they leave and get out. France historically, kind of like when you.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Left your French team.

[Georgina Cappy]

Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

The pressure cooker was too much. I mean, so Vanderpoel leaves the race. Probably not gonna win green. So you'd think, well, Jonathan Milan's gonna win green, right? No. Skunked in the intermediate sprint today. Just the breakaway is too intense. He tried to get in it, couldn't get in it dropped back. His. His team, you can't control it at that speed. Pagatra is now 11 points behind. Yeah, he's like a great white shark.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It's funny, a guy like Jonathan Milan, incredible cyclist, track amazing track rider, best sprinter in the world. Probably never really had to make early breakaways. It's a whole new thing for him. Probably hard to figure it all out. It's not something that he does all the time. So you can see it. I mean, these guys that are going in these breaks are breakaway specialists. That's all they do. That's their only shot to win a stage. But at the same time, he's gonna have to start figuring it out if he wants to keep that green jersey.

[Lance Armstrong]

Is this Jonathan Milan's first Tour de France?

[Spencer Martin]

Yes.

[Lance Armstrong]

Okay, so that's. Yeah, that's what he's really getting to know.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, John.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Oh.

[Spencer Martin]

Well.

[Lance Armstrong]

This is not the Giro, baby.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I would not want knocking on my door. He's losing some sleep over that.

[Lance Armstrong]

This for two and a half weeks. This is the Tour de France, folks. This is a different beast. This isn't the Giro. Right? This isn't the Welto. This isn't anything else. And Jonathan Milan is understanding what the legs start to feel like in this race. It's just everything is elevated here, and it's. It's just that much harder.

[Spencer Martin]

What's a good. Like, is there an example you can give for people at home, the difference between the Giro and the Tour? Like, an intensity over the racing?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I would say this. I mean, for us, I did the Giro once, like, half of it, and it's just. And back then, it was like, one day full gas, one day easy. I think nowadays every race is full gas from the gun, but it's certainly a lot less attention, a lot less pressure for foreign riders. Obviously, very intense, and lots of pressure for Italian riders. But in France, the pressure comes from everywhere because it's the biggest race in the world. There's a lot more pressure, a lot more attention that that goes into this race.

[Spencer Martin]

You do still get stages of the Giro where there's no brake and they're rolling along at like 20 miles an hour.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

That just doesn't happen at the Tour.

[Bradley Wiggins]

No, it doesn't.

[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Georgina Cappy]

I do.

[Lance Armstrong]

Like I love Wikipedia. Except mine. That was fact. Whose phone is on somebody?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Not me.

[Lance Armstrong]

Gotta be wiggle.

[Georgina Cappy]

It's not me.

[Lance Armstrong]

Wait, is it me?

[Spencer Martin]

Shoot.

[Lance Armstrong]

No it's not me.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I have a little history for you too. You know, Melanie, my wife, gave the yellow jersey to Varank in 2002 on top of Mount Ventu.

[Lance Armstrong]

Wow.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

The moment she holds a dear.

[Bradley Wiggins]

She couldn't find any pictures though.

[Spencer Martin]

The weather station must be.

[Lance Armstrong]

No, it was. It's from 1882. Certainly doesn't look like it's. This is according to Wikipedia, from 1882. That's kind of the, you know, people. It's really cool. A lot of people do make the trip to Provence to just to ride the von too. And that's kind of the iconic photo you get at the top and you've got that weather station in the background. 1882.

[Spencer Martin]

It's got to be well built. Strong winds up there.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Oh yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Like it's, it's, it's. Yeah, it's just a. I mean it's, it's, it's big.

[Spencer Martin]

When it almost looks like a spit, like what you would build on Mars or something if you wanted to live there. It's like very.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I think it's the highest recorded winds in all of France, isn't it? Before. Yes.

[Lance Armstrong]

Wow.

[Georgina Cappy]

The Mistral, they call it.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

Blows through Provost.

[Lance Armstrong]

Should we tomorrow stage? Because again this, this. Just keep in mind what we just told you. There are 15 teams in the race who have not won a stage. Everybody's tired. So Bradley, to your point, these French teams and frankly a lot of other teams are getting a real stern talking to every morning in the team bus and time is running out and then you throw in a day like this. That is the thing that sticks out to me the most about the stage is it's short. So anybody that even is tired, they're thinking, well, boy, I gotta try something. It's not a 220 kilometer stage, it's 160 kilometers. That to them is short. That really, I think that just opens up the race and animates everything and it's going to be, I mean somebody's going to take a Jackie Durand, right, Just taking a flyer. Kilometer zero.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, that's. That happens now guarantees kilometers zero.

[Lance Armstrong]

I'm never awake for that, but I take your word for it.

[Bradley Wiggins]

They definitely attack from comma zero. And like I mentioned before the show dispenser, I thought like Trek's only option is to control that. But now looking at the profile a little bit and the sprint points, the sprint points up the climb. Milan's been hurting on the climbs. They're going to have a tough time controlling that. But if we still had Phillips in and we still had all these sprinter teams, they can definitely work together to keep it for sprint. But we don't have him. You know, the teams are getting tired. 15 teams without a win. They have no option but to go and break away tomorrow. It's going to be mass chaos to tomorrow from the start.

[Georgina Cappy]

Yeah, it's a big day for me on tomorrow, isn't it?

[Spencer Martin]

You almost have to hope a break goes early. You then control the gap and then somehow make it a sprint finish. Like, you've got to like let the break go as early as possible, let them cook and then reel them in before the correct.

[Lance Armstrong]

Which, which team, if you had to just pick one, which. Which team has the most pressure to perform?

[Bradley Wiggins]

AG2 or decathlon?

[Spencer Martin]

Big, big budget.

[Lance Armstrong]

I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Especially after today.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

This is the kid, the kid who just won on Montbolt too. You let go then you read the reports. You're coming in with a 40, 50 million dollar budget starting in 2026. Your French team are the Marseille shipping.

[Spencer Martin]

People calling in saying, why is that guy not on the team right now? Probably a little bit of pressure from not far.

[Lance Armstrong]

They're not calling. They're sending somebody up the hill there.

[Spencer Martin]

And you know what's crazy is all these teams haven't won a race. Reverse stage and then Uno X, a wild card invite has won.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yep.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Great.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

And they were, they affected the race today. They're racing their bikes.

[Spencer Martin]

Yep.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, those guys are aggressive. They make the breakaways. They're. They're in it for a shot of top 10. They, they started from the first stage. They had two or three guys in the first group of a very smaller, you know, select group. So they've had an incredible race. Kudos to Thor and that whole team for putting together such a solid program.

[Lance Armstrong]

This other storyline, yet another Taday Pogotar storyline, he's now in the lead in the polka dot jersey climbers category. Shaping up. I mean he might get three jerseys in Paris.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Lance Armstrong]

I think we kind of riffed on that a week ago.

[Spencer Martin]

Does he want.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I wouldn't say. I don't even think he wants that.

[Georgina Cappy]

I don't even think he's thinking about it.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Lenny Martinez is going to go all in on, you know, Thursday and Friday to get in the early break, get those, those points. Hopefully he can keep. Get that yellow, that K1 jersey back. Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Cause those are key stages like stage 18, three HC climbs, two before the final one. So if Lenny can pick up both of those Tade wins a stage, they're. They're still even because it's double points.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And think about it. I know you guys are gonna laugh me, but Bahrain has not done anything else in this Tour de France. They're all in for the KOM jersey if they go home without anything. They're one of the biggest budget teams as well. They need, they need that polka dot jersey.

[Lance Armstrong]

It matters. Years ago, they started sponsoring his team, and we had to show course George's, you know, were you listening back there? He could not say Bahrain. I mean, it was bro. Come on. These poor people spending all this money on the team. Team. You got to say the name right? Try it right now. George, say it.

[Spencer Martin]

Nailed it.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's perfect.

[Spencer Martin]

The only thing about Lenny is he's like last wheel. Looking behind him on these stages, and you're like, yeah, I don't know if I like that.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, bui Trago, you had a, there was about a minute there where you Boytrago was in that group of four and, and of course from Columbia, which George always loves. But I mean, he, you know, the.

[Georgina Cappy]

Minute George tips them, they seem to go backwards.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I thought he was gonna win.

[Lance Armstrong]

You should just.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Would have that been the first Colombian ever to win on Von 2 or.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, that's a fun.

[Spencer Martin]

Probably That's a good question.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That would have been. That would have been.

[Lance Armstrong]

That seems a little hard to believe.

[Bradley Wiggins]

But, but he's coming around. I, I, I would, I would guess he, he's going to be in the breakaways and Thursday and Friday as well. So he's got chances.

[Spencer Martin]

It would have been at least at the Tour de France. It would have been the first Colombian. Also a little just an example of how much harder the Tour is than the Giro. So today, Pagachar just quick estimation. Back of the napkin.

[Lance Armstrong]

Here comes the cue. The Spencer haters go ahead about this.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Actually about criterions.

[Spencer Martin]

This seems somewhat reasonable. So 6.5 watts per kilo. That's like counting in the drafting for Pagachar. And then Simon Yates on the Finestra. Similar length climbs, about an hour long, both of them. 6.2 watts per kilo. That's at a little bit higher altitude. So you have to take that into effect. That's at the giro taya stage 20.

[Georgina Cappy]

And it's on dirt.

[Spencer Martin]

And it's on dirt.

[Lance Armstrong]

So you're not going to say that. I mean, the Ventou is very steep, but that I will say it's about the Giro and Italy As a whole, the climbs are steeper. Yeah, you think about things like Moro and things. I mean, these are unbelievably steep, so watts are easier to come by, but.

[Spencer Martin]

So it's just slightly more power needed. Like 6.2 watts per kilo. On the Von 2, you're finishing probably with Florian Lipowitz, like, just a little bit hotter at the front on the stages.

[Lance Armstrong]

Time for our Ventum trivia of the day. Uh, it's been two days. Uh, the question was which rider holds the record for the longest successful solo breakaway starting from Carcassonne? Did it in 1947. It was multiple choice. I always loved multiple choice when I was in school. You know, it's like, I think there's like some. There's some safe answers, like you always pick C or something. That's. If you just don't know, you gotta obviously pick one. You got a one in four chance options were Louis, so Bobay, Albert Boulogne, Jean Robique, Andre. Anyways, the answer, the winner, the correct answer. Albert Bourlon B. Today's question. In 2016, race leader and eventual winner Chris Froome famously ran up a portion of the slopes of Mont von 2. Why was he forced to run? I don't know. I can't remember why he was forced to run, but I can remember. I can, I can remember. That was so first of all, just wild to see. But there was, you know, then all the time. Well, is that. Are you allowed to do that?

[Spencer Martin]

You're definitely not allowed to do that. I'm like, I will die on this hill. He should have, like, the time. Should still be running on that. He didn't. You cannot finish the race without your bike. Simple.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, he did finish with his bike.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I think he ended up getting a.

[Spencer Martin]

Bike, got a second bike. But you can't just leave your bike and run down the course. You have to go back to where you left your bike.

[Lance Armstrong]

The Tours. It's wearing on it, but in criteriums.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You can get a different bike.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, you, you get the new bike where you leave your old bike.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's.

[Spencer Martin]

The rules are so clear on this. Come on. Aso.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's wearing on the Professor.

[Spencer Martin]

I want that Tour stripped from Chris Fruit.

[Lance Armstrong]

I mean, for a guy from Balder. Dude, dude, I'm gonna die. You're gonna die on that hill, bro.

[Spencer Martin]

Is that. Is that Bear Mountain?

[Lance Armstrong]

That's Boulder, dude.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

You can't, you can't. You're getting tired. I can't say things like that.

[Spencer Martin]

I'm Quite tired. Yeah. Lordy.

[Bradley Wiggins]

We got questions.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, we do.

[Lance Armstrong]

So I have a question. No.

[Spencer Martin]

Would Justin Williams have won today on bon2?

[Bradley Wiggins]

No.

[Spencer Martin]

I'm kidding. That's not the question, boy.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's, it's. This race is wearing on, folks. It is time for this to be over.

[Spencer Martin]

This isn't it? Really?

[Lance Armstrong]

I didn't tell you. You get to stick around for eight more days, Cover the Tour de France, femme of ex wife, a bunch of buddies coming up from Texas. I got a lot of tea times, a lot of action, a lot of big money games. I haven't told you yet, but talk to Ali and Mari.

[Spencer Martin]

Is the cat coming? That's the big question.

[Lance Armstrong]

Okay, all right. Get to the question. Get to the question. We're going to get in trouble.

[Spencer Martin]

What. What happens with all the money that UCI collects from fines? This is from Chad.

[Georgina Cappy]

Good question.

[Lance Armstrong]

It is an excellent notion.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Nobody will ever know. Who knows?

[Spencer Martin]

Ski lift tickets, probably in Switzerland.

[Lance Armstrong]

Do we not know?

[Georgina Cappy]

Well, I have no idea.

[Spencer Martin]

I think it goes into their budget.

[Lance Armstrong]

Go into the UCI's annual budget, you would think.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

Christmas party.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, it, it's an odd incentive because, like, at some point they're counting on that money, so they have, they have like a quota of fines they have to levy or else they aren't able to operate.

[Lance Armstrong]

These aren't big fines in the grand scheme. When you think about the size of.

[Bradley Wiggins]

The event, you think the biggest one that I was just handed out was.

[Lance Armstrong]

Five, and that was the biggest maybe ever, they said so. I mean, you know, if you think about Formula One, these guys are getting fined, you know, 250, 500 million. Like, those are fines, folks. You know, Ryder throws a bottle or whatever. 250 Swiss francs. I mean, nobody's buying yachts, right?

[Georgina Cappy]

I didn't realize there was fines for intimidation. Now, there was talk about it this morning about Niels Pollitt, the way he was marshalling the front of the peloton and marshalling brakes and stuff. And there was a level of intimidation, apparently the commentary team was saying. And he could get a yellow card tonight in the communique because of his intimidation.

[Lance Armstrong]

This is.

[Georgina Cappy]

Which is crazy.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's crazy.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It is crazy.

[Georgina Cappy]

These are grown men.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

You know, it's like.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And you get two and a half weeks into the Tour de France and you've been controlling the breakaways for two weeks of that. You get, you start getting frustrated and you start getting cranky, that is.

[Spencer Martin]

And they have the power to not listen to you.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Georgina Cappy]

But you start dishing out Yellow cards for supposed intimidation. Well, I mean, who decides that? Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's crazy.

[Spencer Martin]

Got to keep those, those lift tickets going, get those fines out.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's a good question, though.

[Spencer Martin]

So this is from Louis. Louis. Where do you guys think the friction between Tade Picachar and Matteo Jorgensen comes from? Does it go back to stage 19 of last year's Tour where Taday passes Mateo on Isla 2000 with 2k left and wins the race? No, it doesn't quite.

[Lance Armstrong]

No.

[Spencer Martin]

Explain why Tade is then marking Mateo. But would you guys know where this friction comes from?

[Bradley Wiggins]

No, but you talked about that, which was interesting and kind of disturbing, but no, I have no idea. I think, I think the fact that they're just kind of button heads the whole year and obviously they're the number one two favorites and pretty much each grand tour they've done. I mean, think about what happened in Zero. I think it's just natural that they are going to start bumping heads and hopefully, you know, there's nothing personal, nothing serious, but, yeah, you don't like to see that.

[Lance Armstrong]

And, and I think it's natural that within a group of any group, if you put 200 fit, athletic men in any room, there's going to be personalities that clash and we don't. You never know why, you never know when, but it happens. Right. And something along the way has created this friction also, too. Matteo Jorgensen is no pushover. I don't know him at all really. But as I watch him, this is a kid who's gonna, he's gonna stand his ground, which we love, as we all should, and he's just not going to take. So that probably also doesn't sit well with.

[Georgina Cappy]

I was going to say that he dares to have an opposing opinion.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's right. Yeah. And so hats off to him. And, and, you know, and on we go. And.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And we're going to start wearing T shirts. Free Mateo. Bogey, please. Free Mateo. Let him go on the break.

[Georgina Cappy]

Is that a play on something else, George?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Perhaps.

[Spencer Martin]

Johan sent me a video of. I think it was the 95 Tour. It was inderign, like just Mark in the yellow jersey marking a guy out of the breakaway because he didn't like him.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, we, I mean, we had our guys, you know, Vinakura, for example. We never wanted to let him get away. Just not only maybe not because we didn't like him, but we knew the damage he can inflict later on in the stage.

[Lance Armstrong]

I didn't like it.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You didn't like anybody. That's true. But we had certain guys that if they would go, be like, we're not letting him go. So definitely teams have these people on their hit list, so to speak.

[Spencer Martin]

I think there was a tour where Jan Ulrich was marking Vinokurov out of breakaways as he was his teammate. So I think that feeling might be mutual. Lance. It did occur to me on the rest day, like, great athletes, like generally generationally great athletes tend to like dominate their competitors so much, they almost. It's like an extinction level event. Like, if you think about Lance, like you almost like, I don't want to say, like domesticated the other riders that could have challenged you. And then there's almost like, it's like someone dumps Roundup on the lawn and they're just like, everything dies. And like the others almost forget how to win. Same thing with Jordan. Like, he was so dominant that everyone in the NBA stunk for like five years after he left because they just mentally dominate people so much. And I kind of wonder if Tiger Woods.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, same Michael Phelps.

[Spencer Martin]

If this is like an effort by Taddy to be like, I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna get in this guy's head before he's even my, my challenger. Well, that's it for the. Oh, here's. Here's another question.

[Bradley Wiggins]

We're gonna leave it on that. Somber.

[Lance Armstrong]

No, no, no. I never thought we'd talk about Roundup on the move, but.

[Bradley Wiggins]

But last question.

[Lance Armstrong]

So George wants it to be a nice one.

[Spencer Martin]

This is a nice one, I hope.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Make me happy.

[Lance Armstrong]

Maybe want to say something nice?

[Spencer Martin]

So this is from Steve. We don't know Matteo could beat Tada next year. This is from Steve, who's the disembodied voice at the beginning of the show doing the French pronunciations.

[Lance Armstrong]

I know that's Alan.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, what's the back? Does he have a story? Is he AI?

[Georgina Cappy]

You probably don't want to know the story.

[Lance Armstrong]

No, no. Alain. No, it's not AI. His initials are A.A. he's. He's. He's. Where's he? Alain is from Avignon.

[Georgina Cappy]

Avignon.

[Lance Armstrong]

Avignon. He's lived in Aspen for many, many years.

[Georgina Cappy]

1989.

[Lance Armstrong]

You came in 89. Think about that. This town in 1989. Here we sit and it's been a long ass time. It's a local dude and drives a cool car. Good rider. Just. Just an all around cool dude. And then, I don't know, we're just, I think it first few years we would attempt to Say it. And I had this idea. I was like, wait a minute, I know this French dude. Why don't we just have him it. Let's have. It's fun to have these little things. So that's who it is. Alan Aizi is his name chef? No, he's.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I don't think he's a. He's a real estate agent.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Amongst other things. Does investment.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. I think he's a man of.

[Spencer Martin]

A man of all star is meeting him. That was. That was.

[Lance Armstrong]

You were starstruck about meeting Alan.

[Spencer Martin]

I was. I mean you listen to him every stage.

[Lance Armstrong]

It sounds like Steve would be pretty excited.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

So that's.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That's.

[Georgina Cappy]

He was on the show last year.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. And he popped in the studio the other day. We'll have him towards the end.

[Georgina Cappy]

Steve sat in that seat.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

And then of course, for the Tour de France family of X Swift, we. And I'm assuming we'll do it again, George. It'd be weird to have a lan.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Oh yeah. I actually just texted her because Dave Bolsha keeps.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. So. So for the women's tour, we'll have Mel Hincappy doing the pronunciations.

[Spencer Martin]

Oh, nice.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

So Steve, just so you. But don't ask that question then because now I just gave you the answer. So.

[Bradley Wiggins]

So while he's on the golf course, you. You can.

[Spencer Martin]

I'll be hosting.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Hosting the stages.

[Lance Armstrong]

You'd be like, mel, where did we go? What did we do?

[Spencer Martin]

I'm getting divorced. If that happens.

[Lance Armstrong]

And, and as I.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Are you going back to Europe after this?

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah. Honey, you know what? Just eight more days with the kids. It's not that big.

[Lance Armstrong]

You know what? Here's the. The bad news is, is you're going to get a divorce. The good news is you're going to go back to Boulder with a cat.

[Spencer Martin]

Okay, me and the cat.

[Lance Armstrong]

That is an inside joke over here at wedo. And the move one of these. Maybe, maybe, maybe somebody will talk about it during the women's race. I was about to say something and I can't remember. Anyhow, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Thank you so much for tuning Sa.