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Johan Bruyneel and Spencer Martin discuss today's stage of the Giro d'Italia, which Lidl-Trek's Daan Hoole won over Ineos' Josh Tarling in a surprising upset. They break down how the changes in the GC classification, including Primož Roglič taking...
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Johan Berniel
Tone of Are you so that he's the one who wants to win, right? And I mean obviously it's normal. He's. He's a leader. He is a champion and he says, you know, if, if I have to feel bad about losing the Giro, then I would prefer to be to a teammate. But he wants to win. He's. He himself considers him the leader of uae.
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Spencer Martin
Everybody, welcome back to the move. I'm Spence Martin. I'm here with Johan Berniel. We are talking Giro d' Italia stage 10 time trial breaking that down as well as production predicting the stage tomorrow. Stage 11 we'll get Johan's take on who's going to win and how it's going to play out. But first, Johan, let's talk quickly about this time trial. Dan Houl. Houl, you'll tell me if I'm saying that wrong. From Little Track wins surprise winner. I think Little Track has now won four out of the 10 stages that have happened so far. So you'd say pretty good race for them. Josh Tarling in second, six seconds back. I guess 7.6.9. I don't know. Do we round up on Those? Ethan Hayter third 9.9 seconds. So 10 seconds back. But below that you kind of have to pan through these results to figure out what the heck happened in the gc. But I'll just, I'll sort the GC for everyone. So Primus Roglich, winner of the GC competition in this time trial time in Orangeman. This is the top 11 time and top 11 in the GC after the race. Top 11 in the GCF to race how they did in the time trial time and aren't been finishes 13 seconds behind him. Juana, you said 19 seconds behind Roglich Simon Yates, 28 seconds behind Roglic and Johnu T, 38 seconds back. Brandon McNulty, 108. Adam Yates, 112. Isaac Del Toro, the leader, 108. I wait, I've got a repeat here. Yeah. 108, Julio Chone, 133, Richard Carapaz, 137. Igor Manal, who crashed apparently 144 back. And this is how the top five stands. Isaac Del Toro is still in the lead, but his teammate, Juana Uso is really closing in on him 25 seconds back. So he's really chopped that lead pretty much in half. Anton Antonio Tiber, 101. Simon Yates, 103. Pretty dangerous right there. Primus Roglich, 118. So we're all back together pretty tight, like. But even between the. Derek G. Is 12th and he's 237 back. So it's really a shockingly tight race, actually, after this time trial. But, Johan, do you want to talk a little bit about Dan Huell and then we'll get into the battle for the gc?
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, well, obviously, surprise winner in this field, Spencer. I mean, he is a good time trialist. He's Dutch champion time trial, and he's a strong rider, and we all know he's on good form. I think we had some data from the beginning of the Giro where he was pulling at what, 300, 480 watts?
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, yeah. Sitting there on the stage three climb.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah. So, you know, he's, he's, he's in good shape. And of course, we all know that the weather circumstances changed today, but he did beat Joshua Tarling, who raced more or less in the same condition. So great win for him. His first, I would say, real win in a. In a professional race. He won the. The Dutch Championships time trial, but if you don't count that it's his first real win, I mean, what a time trial in a Grand Tour, so. And yeah, as you say, Spencer, four stage wins for Little Trek already. I don't think they counted on this one, man. I don't. I don't think they counted on winning the time trial. So obviously he's the winner of the day. No doubt about that. And I mean, the other winner of the day, of course, is Primo Roglic, who had another crash today in the recon of the time trial. Primos, man. He needs to stay on his bike, you know, if he wants to win. You know, I saw a little video. It was, it was. It was not a bad Crash. It was in the rain, he slided. But you hit the deck, you know, you hit the deck and it's another impact on your body. Yeah, I mean if you look at Primos time trauma and it's just. Just try to isolate his performance outside of the weather conditions and the way.
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Spencer Martin
He.
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Johan Berniel
Regulated his effort, dose of fight his effort through this time trial. I think the biggest takeaway, Spencer, for me is that, well, first of all, he's the best of the GC riders, but especially the last 8,9 km he finished unbelievably strong. And compare that to his big rival, Juana Yusuf, who started really fast and then finished not good at all. If you look at the time split with about 8k to go and at the finish, I think Ayuso loses more or less 30 seconds to Roglic, if not more. I don't know, maybe you have the exact number.
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Spencer Martin
32 seconds from the final time check to the finish. And I believe that's 3.2 seconds a kilometer, which is a lot of time to lose.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, well, we, I think we chose also point out that are you so I mean the weather conditions changed throughout the time trial and even you could see riders that were riding at some point and then half an hour later it did change. Now we saw super wet roads, we saw certain riders with wet roads and then was dry again and then it was wet again. But I think this is, this is pretty good for Rocklich's morale. He takes time again on his big rival in a time trial after having crashed two days ago and crashed this morning. And he's back in GC. He is now 118 behind Del Toro. So he's almost within 50 seconds, 50 something seconds behind Iuso. But yeah, it's a lot better than it looked yesterday.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. If you just think of the gap as being too ayuso like I use as the finish line, he is 53 seconds behind him. It's not ideal, but it's not the worst thing in the world. As you said, the rain played a big issue. And that's Dan Houle part of the reason he won because he had dry ish roads the whole time. That also shows you we were predicting the stage yesterday. Time trials are very tough because it's one of the only times where the riders are competing on the same course, but at different times of the day relative to each other. So if you really dug into the the weather data here, maybe you would have an edge as a professional gambler and you could have seen this coming. But Roglich it was dry.
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Johan Berniel
Ish.
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Spencer Martin
It was kind of raining, kind of misting. But he had a fairly clean run at it and he got his crash out of the way. The crash was out of the way in warm ups. I think that I'm kind of joking, but maybe it helped him. He just needs to get that out to feel like he's alive. And then I also, in Del Toro, like, it was quite wet. The roads were really. It looked like it was giving them problems too. Like I almost slipped out at a certain point. Del Toro looked a little bit. They call it in baseball, like big league syndrome, where you get to the big leagues and you're like so overcome by the size of the stadiums, you're not playing as well as you did in the minors. It just was the first time where I was like, oh, yeah. Isaac del Toro is 21 years old, trying to navigate these slippy roads on a time trial bike he probably has not trained that much on throughout his life. But just to talk about the time checks really quick. So Josh Tarling goes through the first one. This is for the. The battle for the stage goes for the first time check. Fast, very fast. It looks like the race is over right there. I'm thinking, well, he wins. Dan Houle fifth. And then from T1 to T2, the first. From the first time check to the second, Danhool just rips it. He's by far the fastest. He's almost, he's like almost 20 seconds faster than Josh Charling through that section and then stays pretty quick. Come in. He's third from the second time check to the finish. If we go to the GC contenders, it's almost the opposite. So Primus Rockledge starts well faster than Everybody. Then from T1 to T2, he loses time. He loses 20 seconds to want to use. So. So right there I was following along on the time sheet and I wasn't watching the race live. I had to re watch it later. But just looking at the data, I was like, oh, no. Like Roglich is going to lose this euro. This thing's over. But he then from T2 to the finish, Roglich blows everybody out of the water. Ayuso and Del Toro lose 32 and 37 seconds respectively. What do we make of that, Johan? Is that just them struggling with the roads? Did they go too fast in that middle section and then pay for that at the end?
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Johan Berniel
It's difficult, Spencer, because as we said, you know, the, the weather conditions change quite a bit. And then on top of that we don't really know. Maybe we could see the visible, you know, the road. The, the roads were wet for some. For some others. No. We don't know what happened with the wind, you know.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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Johan Berniel
So it could be that between the, the second part, the second point and the, and the finish, the wind has changed. Maybe. Fact is that you know who, you know who else is, you know, I said here. Best of gc. Roglic I use was in second. Simon Yates did a good time trial. Spencer, he only lost 28 seconds to Roglic, but took quite some time on, on his rival season. Fourth in gc, just behind Tberi and ahead of Rocklich. So it's the first time we see Simon Yates this year in this kind of form. And he's the leader of, of Visma and it looks like he's in for a great Giro. You know, if you're, if you're up there now after 10 stages and we know that the big mountain still have to come. But Simon Yates, that's his favorite terrain. So. I'm pleasantly surprised by Simon Yates, I have to say.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. And oddly much better than his twin Adam Yates. Like significantly better. I, I gotta be honest, I did not expect a lot about Simon. Expect a lot from Simon Yates from a GC perspective coming into this race. And now he's fourth overall. He's only 103 back with over like a Simon Yates esque third week coming up. Would make me a little nervous if I was uae to have him lurking there. What, going forward from here, like, what's the Red Bull strategy? It's not. It's nice obviously to have 1 and 2, but those 1 and 2 both want the 1. And then you have Simon needs at 1 of 3. Roglic at 118. That would freak me out. I don't want Primus Roglich a minute behind me. That sucks. Then you have like the smorgasbord of these very good writers who have nothing to lose. Julio Chaccone 207. Richard Carapaz 210. Egan Bernal, who had a bad day. But it makes him more of a liability now because he's 233 back. Bernal doesn't care about the top 10 at the gyro. He's gonna attack Derek G. We know he can attack. 237. Caruso 238. Maybe he works for Tibury and he's not a problem. But then you have like Michael Storr 314. You have einer Rubio 403. Like, it's not a walk in the park for UAE from here. Like, how do they handle this?
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Johan Berniel
No, no, I mean, obviously, you know, as you said, they're. They're 1 and 2 in GC. You know, I think one of the special things also worth to mention, Spencer, first and second in GC are also first and second in the white jersey competition. They're, you know, two really young riders still who are in first and second. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, they still have. They still have a strong position. You know, they have a few other riders who are up there that they could potentially send in a breakaway, but I think they're going to just use their collective strength. I think it's clear already now that Adam Yates is not going to be anymore the co leader now of the team. And Adam is definitely going to put him at the service of the team. He always does that. It's a matter now, of course, how long can you preserve Del Toro? I think he still can hang on for a few stages, which is great for the team, but also it's great for Ayusu also because he doesn't need to.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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Johan Berniel
You know, deal with all the consequences of being the leader of Ground Tour Grand Tour. But I. I saw an interview of him, and they did a press day yesterday, and I saw, you know, they were asking them, of course, about, you know, how does it feel to be first and second? Is there no internal rivalry? And Ayuso's interview, it's good, it's professional. And he says, you know, we're here as a team. We want to win as a team with uae. It's my dream to win the Giro. Of course I would like to win. You can. You can hear in the tone of Ayuso that he's the one who wants to win. Right. I mean, obviously, it's normal. He's a leader, he is a champion. And he says, if I have to feel bad about losing the zero, then I would prefer to be to a teammate. But he wants to win. He himself considers him the leader of uae. So it's. I mean, it's not. It's not a bad thing for Ayusa right now because Del Toro is discovering day by day, and in the meantime, I also can kind of sit back and, you know, in second line and. And see what happens.
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Spencer Martin
Well, I think. Tell me if I'm wrong about this. I think I. USO has nothing to worry about in that respect, because if he's not strong enough to take 25 seconds on Isaac Del Toro, third week, he's not strong enough to hold off Simon Yates, Primus, Raglich.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, car.
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Spencer Martin
Like, those guys would overtake him anyway. Like I. But I think I was going through these stages when you were talking. I think Del Toro could hold this until the second rest day, which is huge for AO to not have to do the after stage obligations, to not have to do the rest day obligations of being the leader. So it. It is a nice situation for them. I think he's probably a lot less concerned today than he was yesterday because he took a big chunk out of him. Sitting 25 seconds behind a writer that's not you in the lead who is on your team isn't the worst situation in the world, especially when they don't have a lot of experience. Podium. Podium at Grand Tours. If we're sitting here right now, who would you. If you were director of uae, who are you most concerned about of the writers behind you?
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Johan Berniel
No doubt. No doubt.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. I mean, this is. In some ways, I was going to say it on yesterday's show, but I didn't get around to it. Primos is like some hockey teams. They play better short. Like, you know, they go down a man because they go to the penalty box. And you have to play with one less player than the other team. And he's like a team that plays better shorthanded, you know, when he has to defend a lead. Think of moments where Pagacha has had to defend a lead. Sorry, so that's racist of me. I got my slovenians mixed up. When Roglich has to defend the lead, it often doesn't go that well. But if you go back through the recent Grand Tours, he's won. He's often not leading going into the second rest day, and it forces him to get out of this ultra conservative mode where he's just protecting, protecting, protecting before losing it. So I. I think this is not a terrible situation for him. And losing the time on stage nine gave him better weather today. It didn't fully balance out, but he got a lot. Probably got back a lot of time today because of the drier roads from starting earlier in the day, from losing time and losing spots on Sunday. So in some respects, he's gotten. Already gotten a lot of that back that he lost on the gravel.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, yeah. And I think he got his confidence back too. You know, it's. I mean, the time trial is definitely, you know, the race of truth. And the fact that he did such a nice final is great for his. For his morale. I think Roglich Definitely believes that he can win this Giro. He has the experience. You know, he recovers well. By the way, Spencer, you know, we have been criticizing the weakness of Red Bull Bora. I want to make a little side note about this. I've discovered today that in the crash with Jay Hindley, they had five riders in the crash, and they were all hurt.
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Spencer Martin
That's relevant information.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
There was Martinez in that group.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, he was. Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Okay.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah. Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Wow. I didn't know.
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Johan Berniel
And, and they were. There was. There was a bunch of them that were hurt also. Trapnik, for example, we haven't seen Traffnik in this race. He's, you know, he's such a, you know, he's a, you know, he's, He's a stud. You know, we haven't seen him. So. Yeah, they had, they had to deal with. With a lot of injuries.
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Spencer Martin
Well, I did see Martinez on the start list or on the start line today, thinking it is possible that they've been very sick as a team and just not said anything about it, but the injuries would be something that kind of makes sense to have. Yeah, and I guess you don't want to be rolling that out because you don't want to advertise to the rest of the race that all.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, exactly. I mean, then you're. They're even more vulnerable and they're going to look around and say, oh, they're hurting. We're going to attack, you know.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. And in some ways, this situation helps because now they don't have to. This is going to be tough second week to control, and they don't have to take responsibility for it now. Any other thoughts on stage 10 before we move on to this tough second week?
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Johan Berniel
I mean, you know, it's, it was kind of. Kind of to be expected, but, you know, if you look at. He did crash also, obviously, so that, that was, that was a bummer. But loses a lot of time. Too much time. Got a pass. Also another great time. Prolace loses the time. Chicone. These three guys, in my opinion, are, Are the big losers of today. And, yeah, I mean, it's going to be super difficult for them to, you know, if you, if, if you do so much time in time trials, it's, It's. It's almost impossible to, to come back from that. You can, you know, you kind of have to start to attack with a. From far away and do one spectacular ride. You know, it's always, it's always possible, but yeah, I, it's, It's Too much time. Too much time. It's, you know, one and a half, 142 minutes. It's too much in 29, 28 kilometers. Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
And the problem is they're losing time in the time trial, but it's not like they're not knocking people down when they get to these climbs. If anything, they're, like, hoping just to hold serve on the hardest climbs.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
And then you can't be losing time in these time trials.
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Johan Berniel
And. And, you know, a guy who's really regular and is constantly there, and we don't see him too much, but, you know, it's Antonio Tiberi. He is, you know, silently there, and he's in third position right now.
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Spencer Martin
The scary thing about Tibery, if I was another director, so you might think, like, you know, whoa, he's in Rick Moss, Part two. Like, you never see him. Right. He places high, but he doesn't do anything. He's 23 years old, and this is like, really his second season riding gc, his second Grand Tour, basically riding gc. So that means he could be improving. Like, he's probably actively improving. So you kind of don't know what you're getting from him, which is a little scary if you're riding against him.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, yeah. Now he's. He, you know, for the moment, he's very regular. He's always there, sometimes have loses a little bit, not too much, and that's why he's in third. And, you know, he's. I. I remember last year, he had a really, really good. Last week also. He was very strong the last week. Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
None of us will ever remember anything from that zero. Except for Pagachar because he won half the stages. But I think stage 20, that was a really hard stage. And Bassano Del Grappo, he's fourth on that stage, you know, with Danny Martinez in that chase group behind Pagachar. So that's. He was 22 at the time. Really impressive ride from a guy like him. I think that's it. I think that covers it for the stage. Derek G, I should say, gained 15 seconds on Rogo today. Pretty good ride from him, even though he's lost some time early. That's just another one of these. These bogeys sitting out there that I would not like if I was uae them being so close to the. To the front.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, yeah.
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Spencer Martin
So, sure. Let's take a quick break for some ads and then we'll get into stage 11. All right, Johan, stage 11 tomorrow, kind of a hard stage. Harder than I thought 186km. And if you're looking at the profile on YouTube, there's a hard climb. It's called the San Pellegrino. We don't think it's the real San Pellegrino climb, but it's very hard. One one cat, one 14k long at 8 and a half percent or almost 9%.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, that's hard. It may actually be the unclear.
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Spencer Martin
We're experts. We know what we're talking. We know our Italian climbs so well. There's mo. I feel like half the climbs in the country are called the San Pellegrino. And then there's a Cat 2 climb, which is 11k long, 5%. It's. That's not easy. And then really tricky. One 5, 8k long climb, about 6.5k from the finish, and it's 6% average. So I'd assume this is a breakaway. I'll read off the odds on bet365 because it's available the most places, and then we'll get your take on who's going to win. This is going to play out. Tom Pickock is the favorite at plus 1000. I've never seen a favorite that low. Max Pool plus 1600 Matus V plus 1600 W Polls plus 1800 Roman Bar plus 2000 Luke Plat plus 2000 Marco Fro plus 2000 Wan Uso plus 2200 Po Bilbal plus 2200 JV plus 2200 W V plus 2200 Primos Roglich plus 2500 it goes on and on. We'll call them out when we need to. We actually have a few from deeper down in the list, but do you think this is breakaway or gc, Johan? And who's going to win?
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, I think it's breakaway. I think it's breakaway. It's a hard stage to control. There's enough people now who are far enough behind to let them go in a break and be able to control it with the team, you know, stage 11, it's kind of late already now in the race to give the jersey away, especially because normally people who are going to be in the breakaway and could eventually get the jersey gifted, I would say they're going to be good climbers, otherwise they won't be in the break, especially if they get over the San Pellegrino. So I can see breakaway probably not get rid of the jersey, but I think this is a breakaway stage and we're now halfway the race and I think it's time for some of the old foxes, the old experienced riders to come to the front. And that's why I'm going to pick wild pools from a breakaway to win the stage tomorrow. He's plus 2,500.
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Spencer Martin
That's a. Yeah, really good price for. I thought you're about to say the old fucks come to the front. But I, Yeah, I like W polls because this is a goofy stage. It's actually really cleverly drawn up because a rider that's going to win the stage is going to be really good at climbing. Right. Because of these, these, these hard climbs. Climb at the finish. But to get in the breakaway, there's no climbs to launch you. You're going to. Unless the client. Unless the breakaway goes midway through the stage, which, which could happen. We could have another stage like stage seven, but it will probably be. The break goes on the flat, which means there'll be a lot of riders who aren't good at climbing, but powerful making that break. And you'll have to be very good rider to make the break up, to be very smart, very powerful. That. That describes wild poles. So there's a good chance I'll be there. I'm gonna go a little, maybe more chalk. I'm gonna go max pool plus 1600. Max pool had a good time trial, has been climbing well, had a poor gravel day. He's currently sitting, I believe, in 20th place. About. He is 21st. He is 417 back. It's actually not that far back. So UA, you will have to control that gap. But he's not an immediate threat. And I mean, this is where like you're talking about giving away the jersey gets really complicated because, like, what are you going to. You can't give the jersey to Max Pool, you know, and then it's like.
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Johan Berniel
Well, you could, you could, you could. But, you know, you can't give more. You can't give a few minutes. You know, you have to keep it like one, one and a half minute maximum.
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Spencer Martin
Would you give it to Julio Pelizari? Like, it starts to get dicey fast on this.
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Johan Berniel
When you look at the Penizari. I would not give it. No, he's strong. He's strong.
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Spencer Martin
And like Louis Menchies like that. But he's eight minutes back. So then there's going to be a rider in the break who's higher up than Louis Menchies.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, he's a very good climber.
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Spencer Martin
So that's where it gets complicated. But I'm going to go Max Pool because he's good. He's just lost some time on the gravel, which we don't have tomorrow. So, yeah, that's my pick.
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Johan Berniel
That's a good choice. Good choice. For my second choice, my wild card, I'm gonna go climber also. He's not very far behind in GC, but just far enough. I think he's around four or five minutes. Also, Aina Rubio, Colombian rider from Movistar. He's +8000. He's one of those guys who could be in a break. And is he strong enough to ride away from everybody in the final?
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Spencer Martin
Actually, really like this pick. Plus 8,000. I'm gonna go bet on this guy. And that's because he's 20th overall. He is 403 back. Like, you can't. If. If you're marking Einer Rubio out of the breakaway, you've got some problems as a team, because then you're gonna be. You're not gonna let the breakaway go because there's too many riders about that distance back from the race lead. Plus 8,000. That's crazy for a writer that good at climbing, a writer that strong. And Keat movie star's got no other thing going on here. Like, he's their best place GC rider. They're just going to be about breakaways for the rest of the stage. They're going to have riders in the break. Maybe it's Rubio, and they'll have riders to help him get in the break because they're not going to be conserving resources for anything else. Yeah, my. I guess my wild card is not really a wild card because he's placed much higher than my favorite. But Tom Pickock plus 1000. It's still pretty good price for Tom Pitcock. And you look at this stage, it is a Tom Pitcock stage because how many riders can climb as well as him and sprint against, you know, they'll. If there's anyone there, he can probably beat them in a sprint. He probably won't get dropped. The question is, will he be in that move? He is 16th overall, 341 back. But then again, if you're. If you're marking Tom Pickcock out of the move. Yeah, that's going to be a long day because there's going to be a lot of other riders like that. You're going to mark, too.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, I mean, you know, he can't get in the break. Are they going to let the break far, far enough away that that bitcoin couldn't get in the lead, for example? I don't Think so. And also, Spencer, you have to always have this in mind. Right. Like after. Now, tomorrow, stage 11 in a grand Tour after half race. You've had. We've had two time trials now and we had, I would say, not really a mountain stage, a difficult stage. But Anyway, if you're three and a half, 345, four minutes down, it's for a reason. It's because you've lost effectively that time for a reason. So that means that, you know, you would have to improve dramatically to be all of a sudden be two levels higher and be considered a podium contender or a Grand Tour winner. Contender. Right. So usually if they're there, it's because they don't have the legs to. If, if they're in that position like three, four, five minutes down, it's because they've lost that time, you know, fair and square. Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Unless they lost the chunk of it on the gravel stage because they flatted or crashed then.
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Johan Berniel
Yeah, well, you know, Pitcock did crash, did puncture also. So he did lose time there. But, you know, then again today he didn't do a good time trial. So he's on okay shape to win a stage. But I think this is the kind of guy that you could eventually say, okay, you know what, we'll just let him go. Even if there's a risk of him taking the jersey, let's just do it. His team is going to defend it like crazy anyway. He would actually be an ideal rider to be in Pink by like 30, 45 seconds because that would mean that Q36.5 would kill themselves to defend that jersey as long as they can. And UAE would be sitting back and. And just, Just smoke a cigar and watch what happens.
- [31:58]
Spencer Martin
Yeah, well, the only problem with that is if you, if you smoke too many cigars, sit back too much, then Peacock wins the race. At some point you might have to press him because he's not terr. He's not a terrible rider, especially.
- [32:10]
Johan Berniel
No, no, no, no. For sure, for sure.
- [32:13]
Spencer Martin
Yeah. I do think he. I do think probably be in this move. I get. I guess as I say that I now worry about this opening where you could. Maybe he just misses it because it's too fast and then it's gone. I, I honestly could see this break going on the climb. I could see this just being it.
- [32:29]
Johan Berniel
On San Pedigrino, you mean?
- [32:31]
Spencer Martin
Yeah.
- [32:32]
Johan Berniel
Well, you know what's also the case, Spencer, is that. And this depends, of course, on the behavior of the team with the pink jersey in this case, uae right. But it's perfectly possible, especially with such a long and hard climb in the middle, that there's a break and they have whatever one, one and a half minute and there's still time to bridge up for any climber who's not well placed in GC on the San Pedrino. You can easily bridge a gap of one and a half, two minutes on this climb.
- [33:08]
Spencer Martin
Well, you have to be pretty careful about that if you're the one managing the gap. Because if I don't know Richard Carapaz bridges up on that and then you get over the climb and you don't have as many teammates because you just went over a 14 kilometer long 9% climb starts to get dicey really fast.
- [33:26]
Johan Berniel
Yeah, well, that's why, that's why UAE will need to set a pace that they can preserve the majority of their riders in the group or in worst case, they get dropped with one or two kilometers to the top, the teammates of UAE and they can come back. But it's always better to keep the. Try to keep the team together and lose an extra minute rather than lose a guy who won't make it back.
- [33:54]
Spencer Martin
Yeah. Yeah. Well, Johan, do you have anything else on tomorrow's stage?
- [34:00]
Johan Berniel
No, that's. It's going to be an interesting stage.
- [34:02]
Spencer Martin
It's not easy.
- [34:03]
Johan Berniel
It's not an easy stage, you know, and, and especially for the favorites who have given it all today. Sometimes some riders the day after the time trial have, have a bad day. So that could always be an opportunity for one of the GC guys to test his rifles and see if everybody has recovered properly from their time trial effort.
- [34:26]
Spencer Martin
Yeah. When I glanced at this stage layout, you know, before the race, I thought, ah, this second week it's a little boring. But now that we're in it, it's quite clever how they've done it. I do think this is, it's not going to show us too much. But you can't be terrible the day after the time trial or like you'll be found out on that mid stage climb. The Pellegrin. Sure. That's the real one. Or it's, it's. It's a one. We know that it's a very hard.
- [34:51]
Johan Berniel
It's hard. It's hard.
- [34:53]
Spencer Martin
Actually kind of can't believe it's this hard. I mean, how many times have you ever done a climb that long with that high of average gradient? That's a very hard climb.
- [35:03]
Johan Berniel
Yeah.
- [35:04]
Spencer Martin
Go out this evening, everybody listening, and do your local 9 mile long climb at 9% average. And report back how you feel afterwards. But, Johan, we'll let you go to bed and we'll be back tomorrow breaking down stage 11.
- [35:17]
Johan Berniel
Okay, thanks. All right, bye.