Has Alpecin-Deceuninck Hacked Cycling? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 20 | THEMOVE

Summary

THEMOVE Podcast Episode Summary
Episode Title: Has Alpecin-Deceuninck Hacked Cycling? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 20
Release Date: July 26, 2025
Host: Lance Armstrong
Guests: George Hincapie, Bradley Wiggins, Jens Voigt, Spencer Martin

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Introduction

In this episode of THEMOVE, Lance Armstrong and his panel of cycling veterans delve deep into the dramatic events of Stage 20 of the Tour de France 2025. The discussion centers around the surprising solo victory by Kaden Groves, the strategic maneuvers of Team Alpecin-Deceuninck, and the broader implications for the sport’s competitive landscape.

Recap of Stage 20

Kaden Groves’ Solo Triumph

The episode opens with Lance Armstrong highlighting the rarity and significance of a sprinter like Kaden Groves winning a solo stage. At [00:00-00:10], Armstrong notes:

"A lot of people don't realize when you're the best sprinter in the breakaway, nobody's going to work with you. Your chances of actually winning are much lesser because you're the fastest guy. So nobody's actually going to work for you."

George Hincapie echoes this sentiment, emphasizing the immense responsibility placed on solo sprinters.

Race Conditions and Crashes

The panel discusses the challenging conditions of Stage 20, marked by heavy rain and multiple crashes. At [12:22], Armstrong describes the stage as:

"Like a heavyweight title fight. I don't think I remember ever seeing a second. The penultimate stage of the Tour de France be one so dangerous, two so chaotic."

Jens Voigt adds context about the chaotic start:

"It was gone like Donkey Kong from the start... there were a couple of crashes and it was just continually like that. You couldn't even keep track of the race."

Team Strategies and UCI Points

Astana’s Strategic Sprint for Points

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around Team Astana's tactical approach to accruing UCI points. Spencer Martin explains at [08:32]:

"It's 25 UCI points for their effort... Astana hired mathematicians at the start of the year who then went through every rider's power profile."

This strategic point accumulation has positioned Astana as a formidable team within the three-year aggregate rankings, despite initial struggles earlier in the season.

Alpecin-Deceuninck’s Dominance

The panel shifts focus to Team Alpecin-Deceuninck, lauding their performance despite setbacks. At [18:29], George Hincapie remarks:

"This team obviously led by Matthew Vanderpool, who's certainly the best classics rider in the sport... they're schooling other teams at this race."

They discuss how the team has pivoted their strategy after losing key riders like Jasper Phillips due to crashes, yet still managed to secure three stage wins with different riders.

Impact on the Tour de France

Emotional Weight and Future Implications

The emotional toll of the race is a recurring theme. At [37:21], Hincapie reflects on the personal impact of race outcomes:

"You start going into a field sprint and saying, I'm not going to hit my brakes. Well, you start hitting them a little earlier."

Armstrong highlights the unpredictability and emotional highs of the Tour:

"I feel like this table right here has experienced every scenario in the Tour de France."

Looking Ahead to Stage 21

The discussion concludes with anticipation for the final stage, set to traverse the challenging Montmartre circuit in Paris. The panel speculates on potential tactical shifts and the influence of weather on the concluding day.

At [25:23], Armstrong comments on the evolving nature of the final stage:

"They have no chance... it's depending on what their directors are saying."

Notable Quotes

• Lance Armstrong at [00:00]:
  "A lot of people don't realize when you're the best sprinter in the breakaway, nobody's going to work with you."

• George Hincapie at [02:34]:
  "It's first Tour de France stage win. However, he's won stages in all three Grand Tours. He has won a total of 10 stages in Grand Tours."

• Spencer Martin at [08:32]:
  "It's 25 UCI points for their effort... Astana hired mathematicians at the start of the year who then went through every rider's power profile."

• Jens Voigt at [12:22]:
  "It was brutal from the start. It was just super tough day."

• Bradley Wiggins at [38:06]:
  "I think they might have to rewrite their playbook."

Conclusions and Takeaways

• Kaden Groves’ Victory: An unprecedented win by a sprinter in a solo breakaway, showcasing his exceptional talent and strategic acumen.

• Team Alpecin-Deceuninck’s Strategy: Despite losing key riders, the team demonstrated resilience and tactical flexibility, securing multiple stage wins and challenging traditional powerhouses.

• Astana’s Point Strategy: Their meticulous accumulation of UCI points underlines a strategic shift in team management, leveraging data and analytics to maintain their status.

• Future of Competitive Cycling: The episode underscores the evolving dynamics of professional cycling, where strategy, team management, and individual performances intertwine to shape the outcomes of major races.

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This episode of THEMOVE offers listeners an insider’s perspective on the complexities of professional cycling, enriched by the expertise and experiences of cycling legends like Lance Armstrong, George Hincapie, Bradley Wiggins, Jens Voigt, and Spencer Martin. Whether you're a seasoned fan or new to the sport, the in-depth analysis and engaging discussions provide a comprehensive understanding of one of cycling's most iconic events.

Transcript

[Lance Armstrong]

A lot of people don't realize when you're the best sprinter in the breakaway, nobody's going to work with you. Your chances of actually winning are much lesser because you're the fastest guy. So nobody's actually going to work for you.

[George Hincapie]

So you have all the responsibility.

[Lance Armstrong]

Said in his interview he was on an amazing day for him to go solo. His first solo pro win in the last, second last stage of the Tour de France, I mean, is as epic as it can possibly be and just crazy impressed with his performance today and the team for that matter. I mean, three stage wins, three. Three different riders. We're talking about still 14 teams that have not won a stage. It's just. It was wild to see him off the front. It was actually incredible sight. Very, very impressive. And I like seeing performances like that these days when there's just so much dominance from guys like Poguchar and Jonas Mean to go when they go on the climbs like this is racing. This is full gas racing, tactical racing, technical racing. I mean we saw the crashes. Your boy Romero, who you picked out to win the stage before, crashed really hard. Hopefully he's okay, but second last edge of the Tour. You don't to go into Paris with a injury like that.

[George Hincapie]

Good morning everybody. Welcome back to the MOVE podcast brought to you each and every day by Ketone IQ talking about stage 20. A bit of a surprise here in stage 20, Kaden Groves. We're going to get into all that action. I'm joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins. I'm having dinner Monday night. Do you and me have any solo dinners, George? I don't think so.

[Lance Armstrong]

Maybe at the house when I was. The first week I was here. Remember it was a long time ago.

[George Hincapie]

Over the Love island marathon, obviously. George Hincappy right here. And the Professor.

[Spencer Martin]

Thanks for having me.

[George Hincapie]

Spencer Martin. Days like today, boy, it's good to have the professor because he just pulls up all kinds of fun. Fun facts.

[Lance Armstrong]

It has been great to have the Professor.

[George Hincapie]

I agree.

[Lance Armstrong]

He's gotten spicy time away.

[George Hincapie]

Be spicy time away from the Mrs. King. Groves has quietly put together a hell of a career, hasn't he?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right?

[George Hincapie]

It's first Tour de France stage win. However, he's won stages in all three Grand Tours. He has won a total of 10 stages in Grand Tours. That's. That's a heck of a career. That's an Australian hall of fame career for sure. He's a hell of a writer and wins in a way. Wins. This guy's a, is a, is a sprinter. Wins it Goes away from a group of 12 or 13. Obviously lots of crashes, lots of things change the dynamic of the race.

[Lance Armstrong]

But I could not remember the last time a sprinter won solo Tour de France stage win. But Bradley, our encyclopedia reminded me.

[Jens Voigt]

Well, I seem to think it was 1996. Jamal Adin, Abdu Japarov riding for Refining attacked from a group or the hilly stage, mountain stage in the Tour de France. Well, it's a hilly stage, not a mountain station.

[Lance Armstrong]

One solo.

[Jens Voigt]

You had a teammate in there that year as well in that breakaway. Lauren Madwas.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh yeah. Okay. Who is Valentine is very good now as well.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, I've always wanted. I always loved those shows growing up. Where are they now? You know, I think go back and you know like and if they find them and they follow them and just kind of a catch up like Mr. Taylor for example, like where's Mr. T? What is Mr. T doing right now? Anyhow, my point on this is a. A sprinter like Abdu Shaparov, which was. He was a. I raced with this guy. This guy was. I didn't like racing with this guy.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

He was terrifying. But like anyhow, where is Abdu right now? This is such. What do you reckon that guy's doing? He might be in the Taliban as well. No, no, he was, he was. No, no, I'm not kidding. Where was he?

[Spencer Martin]

Where was he from?

[Jens Voigt]

Tash Kent. Okay, see he could be a hash. He could be a hatchet wielding hitchhiker right now. I watched that last night. That's why I was. Another mind on the brain.

[George Hincapie]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[George Hincapie]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

No, not at. Not yet.

[George Hincapie]

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[Lance Armstrong]

You'Re gonna show up this morning. Bradley and I were first ones in the studio.

[George Hincapie]

I was over in the steamboat yesterday. I didn't get home till late, and I didn't. Wasn't able to go to the gym. And I. And I too was. I was kind of. Anna was heading off for her bike race this morning. Super proud of her for that. And. But I kind of caught myself. I was like, you know, at some point I should go down to the chill chamber. So I did. And thank God. You know, thank God peacock got the app. I could watch in the car. You know, I was. I was up on it. Anyhow, Huckberry has changed the game. Men's fashion, men's content, just a bunch of cool content. Like, I love the daily newsletter. They pull and curate a lot of really interesting articles, photos, a lot of great photos, a lot of travel, a lot of architecture. Yeah, I don't know, you know, stuff us guys from Plano are really into. What part of London are you from? Is there. Does it have a name or what part?

[Jens Voigt]

West London. West London.

[George Hincapie]

That doesn't sound good. Is there like another name Kilburn. Yeah, there you go. What's it called?

[Jens Voigt]

Kilburn.

[George Hincapie]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

But.

[George Hincapie]

But the thing that we're watching, like, these guys are sprinting for 20th place into the last corner. I think there's really two parts to this. Like, what are we sprinting for? 20th. 4. And there's a crash. Tati Poguchar barely misses the crash. Lipowitz is right there. Jonas is right there. What? Who. Who has this answer? Why are we sprinting for 20th? But who cares?

[Spencer Martin]

Well, we're sprinting for. It was 13th and 14th. Technically, same thing. Two Astana riders, they picked up 25 UCI points for their effort. And this is like, Mike woods had a blog post in the first week of the Tour about how, like, ways to make cycling safer. One of his proposals was eliminate promotion, relegation. Because this is exactly what happens. You have a group, insignificant, racing in, like, a racing sense, and you have two guys sprinting. Could have crashed out the first and second in the gc, but you know, these points. Like, every point matters. Like, if you. If you're trying. Like, Astana hired, like, mathematicians at the start of the year who then went through every writer's power profile.

[George Hincapie]

And you're saying if they did, or they did, they did this.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

And they're like, send these riders to this race based on the power profiles. Like, they're trying to get every UCI point they can because they have to be. They cannot fall out of the world.

[George Hincapie]

Okay, let me. Help me understand this. So they are sprinting for whatever place. Place it was. You said it's 25 UCI points.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. Oh, all right.

[George Hincapie]

So, for example, how many points does UAE have as a team?

[Lance Armstrong]

Like, they're 10 times no I know, but I.

[George Hincapie]

Is this like a million or is it like 500? Because if it's five, you know, it starts to. Percentage wise it starts to matter. Because if it doesn't matter, what are we doing?

[Spencer Martin]

UA, I mean this is a bad example. Okay, has 20, 20,000 points. They have almost twice as many as the next team.

[George Hincapie]

Okay, so then what does decathlon have?

[Spencer Martin]

Decathlon might have.

[George Hincapie]

And what does Astana have? Because they're the ones who were sprinting for 80th place.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, so Astana has 11,000 points. They're the third best team in the sport.

[George Hincapie]

But what.

[Spencer Martin]

But it's a three, it's a three year aggregate. So Astana started the year in like below, like you have to be 18th or better to make it in the World Tour. They were like 19 around the bubble by. They had a deficit of 5, 000 points to make up. So they came into this year just like scraping for every point they can get.

[George Hincapie]

And now they're third.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, third on the year, but in the aggregate three year ranking, their 16th.

[George Hincapie]

Well, you know what, you know what I mean. I'm not very smart, but that doesn't make any sense. However, I kind of laughed when you said the, the team Borat had hired mathematicians. Clearly it wasn't a bad idea.

[Lance Armstrong]

I gotta give it to your ex team.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Thank you.

[Lance Armstrong]

But this, we would be remiss not to talk about today's stage. We're gonna talk about phones.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Points later.

[George Hincapie]

It's wearing on. It's wearing on and on, you know, but, but let's talk.

[Lance Armstrong]

I mean today it was like a heavyweight title fight. I don't think I remember ever seeing a second. The penultimate stage of the Tour de France be one so dangerous, two so chaotic. Five groups on the road at one point, GC guys trying to slip in the top 10. This best sprinter in the breakaway. A lot of people don't realize when you're the best sprinter in the breakaway, nobody's going to work with you. Your chances of actually winning are much lesser because you're the fastest guy. So nobody's actually going to work for you.

[George Hincapie]

So you have all responsibility.

[Lance Armstrong]

Said in his interview he was on an amazing day for him to go solo. His first solo pro win. And the last, second last stage of the Tour de France, I mean, is as epic as it can possibly be. And just crazy impressed with his performance today and the team for that matter. I mean three stage wins, three different riders. We're talking about still 14 teams that have not won a stage. It's just. It was wild to see him off the front. It was actually incredible sight. Very, very impressive. And I like seeing performances like that these days when there's just so much dominance from guys like Poguchar and Jonas mean to go when they go on the climbs. Like, this is racing. This is full gas racing, tactical racing, technical racing. I mean, we saw the crashes. Your boy Romero, who you picked out to win the stage before, crashed really hard. Hopefully he's okay, but second last stage of the Tour. You don't never want to go into Paris with a injury like that.

[Jens Voigt]

Romero was my wild card for this race. He was just starting to get find his groove and light the race up. And then Spencer put $1,000 on him.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

And he crashed five seconds later.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, he jinxed him.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, I did bet on Groves is a hedge there too. So we recovered the losses.

[Lance Armstrong]

So apparently the roads were. I mean, not. Apparently there was some sort of.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Something on the roads that made it really slick. These guys, it wasn't their fault. They were crashing. The bikes were just going off from underneath them, which is really scary. But imagine the. The gc, the GC group behind because the directors are seeing the breakaway crash. When you're in a breakaway, you shouldn't be crashing. They're screaming, the radio like, this corner's coming up, everybody's slow down. So in a sense, it's probably safer than them because they know how slick it is. But still, I mean, we saw guys just out of the saddle and sliding out.

[Spencer Martin]

I mean, the start of the race was brutally hard.

[George Hincapie]

George.

[Spencer Martin]

Like, I don't even. It's hard to even comprehend how Caden Groves made that move. And you're right. Like, he kind of had to win it solo because no one's gonna work with him. Why did Jake Stewart, another sprinter, just let the wheel go and let him ride away?

[Lance Armstrong]

In a breakaway like that, you got to take all kinds of risks. I mean, perhaps he just didn't want to do that little bit of extra work to save for the sprint in case they all came together. I mean, there's just so many variables that go on in a breakaway. People don't understand how actually how difficult it is to win, especially if you're one of the fastest guys in the race. And I believe Jay Stewart just had to play his game and. And hope that somebody else would have chased him down.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, you make that bet, right?

[Lance Armstrong]

You let him. Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

You say, you know, let him get a. Whatever, 10 seconds, and in the back of your mind, you think, well, Surely we'll. We're ten strong guys here. We'll reel him in and.

[Bradley Wiggins]

But.

[Spencer Martin]

But who's going to work? Stewart, I guess, would be my pushback.

[George Hincapie]

On is what you saw.

[Lance Armstrong]

Why. I mean, why else would they make the breakaway? They have to give themselves a fighting chance to win. So Jay Stewart, in his mind's going, okay, well, they're not gonna let Kaden Grove, the fastest guy in the race, one of the strongest guys in the race, roll away. So I'm gonna take the risk and let them do most of the work. He lost out on the wrist, but I understand the play he made today.

[George Hincapie]

And what's going on with the team radio. Right. You also. There's some accountability there where the director says, this is not good. You guys, you gotta. Don't let him go. Cause he can ride alone. Despite having never done it before. We didn't have. We weren't privy to their communications. But. But if you're in a three rider.

[Spencer Martin]

Move, if Enzo's in a three rider move, would you ever radio up to him and be like, let this guy go?

[Lance Armstrong]

I just.

[Spencer Martin]

I just can't.

[George Hincapie]

I don't think you'd say, let him go. I think you would say, don't let him go.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

And I mean, you can't really guess how he was feeling at that moment. Like you said, it was such a hard start. I mean, perhaps he was just in a moment of crisis and couldn't go. We don't know if it's a tactical error or just a physical error. I mean, there's just, like I said, so much going on in these breakaways, it's impossible to know how he's feeling.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Bradley.

[Jens Voigt]

Yeah, I mean, it's just, I think at this stage of the tour as well, everyone was. So, I mean, it was on. I turned it on at 10 past 4 this morning to watch, and it was just on.

[George Hincapie]

Hang on a sec.

[Lance Armstrong]

10 past 4.

[George Hincapie]

10 past 4.

[Lance Armstrong]

What am I up early at 5?

[George Hincapie]

Was that Hawaii time?

[Jens Voigt]

No.

[George Hincapie]

What are you doing it for?

[Jens Voigt]

The stage started at 10 past 4. Someone had watched from the start.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, yeah. So walk us through the start.

[Jens Voigt]

So it was just. It was gone like Donkey Kong from the start.

[George Hincapie]

And.

[Jens Voigt]

What'S he called? Casper Askren was off the front for a bit. Ben Sweeney was not Ben Sweeney Harris.

[Bradley Wiggins]

No.

[Jens Voigt]

The other fellow who had the yellow.

[George Hincapie]

Jersey, was he Ben Healy.

[Jens Voigt]

Ben Healy.

[George Hincapie]

That guy.

[Jens Voigt]

Ben Healy was. Was trying to get. And they were trying to put two riders in the break and they were chasing each other down. And the commentary Team couldn't work out why they were doing that, but it was just. They just kept reforming in this washing machine effect. You know, the different groups KE going off the front. And then it was raining quite heavily. The big. There was a couple of crashes and it was just. It was continually like that. You couldn't even keep track of the race. At one point, there was four groups on the road with Van Art chasing at three minutes. Yeah, it was just a super tough day from the start.

[Spencer Martin]

And when the breakaway finally went, it was just like a little crack. Yeah, the front.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And then that was it.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, I think the break. The breakaway actually rolled away because of the crashes in the peloton too. That sort of neutralized them and they go, well, you know what, if we're going to be going full gas here, there's going to be a lot more crashes. So I think they kind of took the safe route and said, okay, I guess we have to let this breakaway go or we're. We could potentially lose the whole Tour de France by crashing.

[George Hincapie]

It does terrify the group.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, big time.

[George Hincapie]

And just a reminder to folks like, you know, in that crash that we're talking about in that final corner, if Tiny poker. This goes all the way to the last lap in Paris, right?

[Bradley Wiggins]

If.

[George Hincapie]

If you crash and break a collarbone and you cannot cross the finish line, well, it's. You don't finish the Tour. So it probably just a shock of. Or a reminder to all the guys in the group. GC guys, guys that have made it, you know, 98% of the way they're going, hang on a second. I'm not hitting the deck and getting a concussion. Breaking a collarbone and not making it to Paris. After this Tour, people just like, all right, let's chill.

[Lance Armstrong]

I always talk about on this show, like, I feel like this. This table right here has experienced every scenario in the Tour de France. Well, you've never experienced what's. What's going on tonight. Like, usually the last day of the race, 80% of the peloton's like, okay, we got a relatively easy day tomorrow. McDonald's get a couple beers.

[Bradley Wiggins]

A couple.

[Lance Armstrong]

Now that's like, tomorrow is a full on classics race. Small roads.

[George Hincapie]

Sorry, guys.

[Lance Armstrong]

Hills.

[Jens Voigt]

I wonder if that's going to change the procession tomorrow and the feel of the star.

[George Hincapie]

I think it has.

[Spencer Martin]

You'd be so nervous.

[Jens Voigt]

You know that. That first 100k, normally you always felt worse in the first 100k in Paris because you ride so slow and then the speed goes up when you hit the champs Elise. Or get close to Paris. But tomorrow, I mean, are we going to have all the traditional champagne and.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Is it going to be attacked from kilometer zero because guys are going to try to get up the road before the racing starts.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, I mean, could be.

[Lance Armstrong]

This is really affecting the, the history of the race, in my opinion.

[George Hincapie]

I'm so curious. I mean, is this a, is this an experiment or is this, is this. I guess I will wait and see till tomorrow. I mean, I think it's. Yeah, maybe it's a throwback or just a, you know, nice little nod to, to Paris 24. But you know, hey, I agree with everything said. We are going to take a quick peacock break. We'll be back in 2 and 32.

[Bradley Wiggins]

All right.

[George Hincapie]

And we're back. Let's talk about Alpecin. I mean this team obviously led by Matthew Vanderpool, who's certainly the best classics writer in the sport, but you know, I would argue he's a top two in terms of marquee names. And this is, he's a, he's a star team. Comes into the race, brings Jasper Phillips and crashes out early. Feels like that was forever ago. Yeah, we were talking during the race today.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That.

[George Hincapie]

Feels like he could have certainly contested for the green jersey, probably won the green jersey. But the team has to pivot and come up with another strategy. This is a smaller team budget wise. They've won three stages without their marquee sprinter. Spencer, you're curious too how you bring a guy like Kaden Gross, who's a sprinter to support another great sprinter. But net, net, this is a five star tour for a team like this.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

And I mean, you said they had to pivot for another strategy since they lost Phillips and Vanderbilt. I actually argue against that. They had no pressure. Yeah, they had an amazing tour already. And the, the, the directors, if I was one of the directors, like, guys, have fun, try to make the breakaway, you know, enjoy these last couple stages. There's absolutely no pressure. And look what happens when a guy third week in the tour feels good. I mean, no pressure. It just goes for it and then wins, you know, an incredibly hard stage.

[Spencer Martin]

And think like their superstar Crat leaves with pneumonia. Matthew Vanderpol, Jasper Phillipson, who won the first stage of this race is gone and they're still winning. Like it's unbelievable. And maybe Unox has a smaller budget, maybe, but Alpecin is a very mid table budget team and they're schooling other teams at this race and I don't.

[Lance Armstrong]

Know, I don't know. If that's a fair comparison. Because Unox did win a stage and they were always very, you know, present amongst during the hardest stages of the race. I also think for being a smaller budget team, they had an incredible Tour de France.

[George Hincapie]

No, I think, yeah, I don't think. I think.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

I'm just saying. I'm saying maybe that's a.

[Spencer Martin]

Yet might have a smaller budget than opposing.

[George Hincapie]

Similar story.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Not three stage wins, maybe a smaller budget, but came in with tons of heart and fight. I mean when you're the organizer of the Tour and you're, you're selecting, you're down to picking these, whatever you call them, lottery picks or just these extra teams. I mean you want a team like Unox is going to come in and animate the race.

[Jens Voigt]

It's interesting because had Phillips and not crashed, we would have anticipated him challenging for green.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[Jens Voigt]

If not leading that competition and maybe won a couple more stages as well.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jens Voigt]

And Hayden wouldn't have been in a position to win that stage had he still been in the race. So it's really good how they've kind of recalibrated, you know, re set their goals and someone like him's come up in the third week and won a stage.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

I actually interviewed for a job at Opposing.

[George Hincapie]

Did you?

[Spencer Martin]

In the last few years. Didn't get it off the team or the team.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Like shampoo.

[Spencer Martin]

But I just was super impressed.

[Jens Voigt]

What was the role there?

[George Hincapie]

I don't know. Rider. I don't think I can.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Mechanic.

[Spencer Martin]

I don't think I can talk about it.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Ryder, it was a rare rider, mechanic, double role there. Trying to save some money. But I was pretty impressed with like the level of sophistication behind the scenes and they, they really try to avoid like mid, mid salary riders that don't produce. Like either you're a winner and you're getting paid or you're a random Belgian cross rider who's super strong and once you get that second contract, they let you go and just bring on a new guy who nobody knows. And they don't pay you very much but you produce at a very high level. They also don't. What, what don't they have? They have no gc.

[Jens Voigt]

No.

[Spencer Martin]

It's a very smart move, I think.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, I agree.

[George Hincapie]

I mean you have a, you have a star like Matthew Vanderpool. People rise to that occasion.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

So you can, you can get away with that. I would, I would make the case and I think I'm right. If you don't Have a Vanderpool. These guys don't elevate themselves and go on to, to be sought out by other teams. Like people want to perform for him.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. And let's, let's, let's be real here. I mean, the guys that are on lower salaries, I mean this is some of the most gratifying thing to do, is to work for a guy like Matthew Van der Poel and Philipson and win stages. Even though they're not making the kind of money they are. They will base their whole career upon those victories and be super proud of being part of that team.

[Jens Voigt]

They've also slowly replaced Quick Step over the years as the. That's finding young talent, haven't they?

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, they're eating like basically the, the pool, the talent pool that Quickstep used to get.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, it does feel like Quick Step 2.0 in a way. Cuz Quick Step, it just doesn't look and feel the same.

[Jens Voigt]

And that's been helped by Vanderpoel staying loyal to that team for so many years.

[George Hincapie]

That is the, the number one reason by a factor of like 10. I mean that was always the question. Right. This kid was coming up, obviously has the, has the DNA to be a champion, but I think people always thought he would leave and he never, you know, he stayed loyal to the team, stayed loyal to Canyon. He's got a good thing going.

[Spencer Martin]

Canyon helped a lot.

[George Hincapie]

Canyon helped. Canyon was super involved in that.

[Spencer Martin]

But this, these two brothers that run it, Christoph Rudhoof is the sporting side. Like he was the guy in the car talking to Kaden Groves. Like, this is like one of the most intense people you've ever met. And I would guess Vanderpoel's like, this is a winning culture. Like, I'm not going to take a big paycheck to go to. We can fill in the teams.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[Spencer Martin]

That you might go to and never win again. And just like stayed with like the winning culture. And I think that goes a long way.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

And it's, you know, race, like this is contagious, right. You get into the third week, oh, these 14 teams. I mean, look, if we could just have a vibe check in the team bus between Alpecin and fdj. I mean, one of them is a wedding, one of them's a funeral. It just is.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right?

[George Hincapie]

And that, that vibe is they are. Kaden Gross felt that vibe today. He's like, I'm gonna go out here, let's give it a, give it a whirl. I would nothing to lose though.

[Spencer Martin]

I would Almost. Guess the vibe is probably still more buttoned up in the Alpecin bus. Like, no matter how much success they have, it's still very serious.

[George Hincapie]

We would change that.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Talked a little bit about tomorrow's stage. Let's have a look. This is the profile. You'll see it if you're watching the show, you'll see it on this profile. This is very different, right? Short stage, 132 kilometers, five categorized climbs. But the thing is, I think to me there's two things right there is there. There's this nod to the Olympic circuit climbing up the Montmartre. But the rain is in. The forecast like this is. Johan and I went out and rode, previewed the Olympic course last year and it was not raining. This is a tricky circuit, right. It's narrow, it's cobbled, it's in the middle of one of the biggest cities in the world. Bradley, you brought it up on commercial break to do the. Is this the kind of stage that if it is, that if it is raining like today on that circuit, my friends, you may as well be watching Olympic ice skating. It's going to be terrifying.

[Jens Voigt]

Or is it 5K from the last summit to the seven.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Another look. Yeah, yeah.

[George Hincapie]

So I mean 6K, you know, I will. Downhill.

[Lance Armstrong]

Historically, I know back in our day we would not have raced till after that green Jersey Sprint. After 75k, I think, I think the capos of the peloton will most likely come together and say, guys, come on, we're three weeks in. Let's start the racing with three laps to go. In my opinion.

[Spencer Martin]

I don't think they do that anymore.

[Lance Armstrong]

I, I agree, it, it's, it can go either way. But I'm just saying back in our day, that's what would have happened. They would not have started raising until 75. Well, kilometer 75, maybe go for the bonus sprint if they had to, and then game on, race in, you know.

[Jens Voigt]

In any other year with someone like Geraint Thomas, it's his last tour, you'd let him roll across the line, wouldn't you?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Correct.

[Jens Voigt]

First entry, first passage through.

[George Hincapie]

Could, could do, you know. Why wouldn't they do that now?

[Jens Voigt]

Well, it remains to be seen, doesn't it, with the different circuits this year.

[George Hincapie]

Let's see what this weather does.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, different circuits and like you said, 14 teams without a win. So it's depending on what their directors are saying. Like, no, you guys are not parade and into the first part of this race like you're getting in the breakaway. We Hope well for that doesn't happen.

[George Hincapie]

And for those 14 teams, they are liking this stage. If it's. If it's the traditional run into Paris.

[Lance Armstrong]

They have no chance.

[George Hincapie]

Little trek is going. Okay. Let's set this up for Jonathan Milan.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Let him win in Paris in green. I don't think that's going to be the case here in 2025. There is a chance for these 14 suckers to finally get. I wouldn't run Kaden Groves, man.

[Lance Armstrong]

Coming into me neither. You, you remember coming into Paris. Anytime it rains, how slick it is, it's horrible.

[George Hincapie]

And that's when it's flat on the Champs Elysees. Now Granite Champs Elysees, it gets a lot more traffic than. Than, than it does at the Montmartre. But this is an urban environment.

[Lance Armstrong]

You rode the course last year. It's super tight and it's nasty because.

[Jens Voigt]

The old running, the Rue de Rivoliers in the running to the Place de la Concorde, that used to be the whole width of the road.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jens Voigt]

And now there's bus lanes in there and furniture. So now you'.

[George Hincapie]

Basically bike lanes.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Fun fact. Paris is one of the most bike friendly major cities in the world. Mayor there went in and can't completely, much to the chagrin of the locals, just made it a bike town. It's pretty incredible.

[Spencer Martin]

It's really incredible to ride.

[George Hincapie]

It's the only time I've ridden one of those. Those city bikes. Yeah, these city bike lime or whatever. And I always see these people riding these things like what are you doing?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

Scooters. Bike rental. And anyhow, we were there. My son was in culinary school so we were visiting and I was like, dude, this is cool. We were renting the app.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Riding around. They're electric. Which I know it's a great way.

[Spencer Martin]

To see the city.

[George Hincapie]

So it is the second half of.

[Spencer Martin]

The show is Paris by bike.

[George Hincapie]

Go through each.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. Yep, yep.

[George Hincapie]

By the way too. While we got you, of course we did have a stage. I'm in stage today. Also here in a couple hours we have the first stage of the Tour de France. Fam of Egg Swift. I'll be joined by Murray Holden.

[Lance Armstrong]

And hopefully it's not raining for their start of the Tour.

[George Hincapie]

Brittany. I mean probably is.

[Bradley Wiggins]

We have. We have.

[George Hincapie]

I have a double day today and tomorrow. I'm gonna kick these guys out of here.

[Lance Armstrong]

Unless double day means translation. Lance can be even more crankier than.

[George Hincapie]

He'S been cranky every. Bradley, back me up right here. Professor, back me up. Everything we have said today, Mr. Hinch, he said, you know what? I have to disagree with that.

[Lance Armstrong]

That.

[George Hincapie]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

Thank you.

[George Hincapie]

This is. These guys are tight.

[Lance Armstrong]

I think we all do. Yeah, we all do. In fact, Kelly asked me if I had any extra ketones for your wife today.

[George Hincapie]

She asked me, and she's doing snowmass fish. She's like, should I take ketones halfway through? And I'm like, yes, honey, you should. She took some before too.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Anyhow.

[George Hincapie]

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[Lance Armstrong]

Ouch.

[Jens Voigt]

He's part of the family.

[George Hincapie]

He's talked about the hat. This is. People want the hat. People are expecting hat. It's the sexiest man. A lot of pressure. And the hat, I'm telling you, if it doesn't come tomorrow, okay, we are going to put Bobby Julick in that seat.

[Lance Armstrong]

Bobby would be great.

[George Hincapie]

I'm not gonna hate on Bobby might be busy though. And he would agree with us more Robbie Venture.

[Lance Armstrong]

Bobby's gonna be.

[George Hincapie]

Who else? Let's have fun with this. Who else could we put there? Well, I mean, Mark Cavendish, he'd be good.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

You know, man, you know I'm messing with you. He's so sensitive. Look at him. He's getting sad. He's so sad.

[Lance Armstrong]

No, no, I would be. I would be sad to miss you guys. That's for sure.

[George Hincapie]

I got a question on email that I am not even gonna venture to read. It was just insane. I was. It was nice. Kinda already deleted it.

[Lance Armstrong]

So you're gonna read it or.

[George Hincapie]

No, I deleted it. I read it to y' all while we were watching the race. I don't know where we going with this one.

[Lance Armstrong]

He was. I was like, I think it was a hater turned follower.

[George Hincapie]

But a lot of big words.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Hincapie]

I mean, if I tried to read that on here, I mean, we'd be. Nobody would ever listen again. Like, this kid can't even read. However, we probably have other questions.

[Spencer Martin]

What should we do? Vintage.

[George Hincapie]

Let me ask you a question, professor.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

You know, because these other shows, whether it's a radio show or Howard Stern, Other shows, podcasts, stuff like this, right? People call in. How come we can't have people. Can we have people call in? How would.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Colton.

[George Hincapie]

Can we have people call in live?

[Spencer Martin]

I don't know if that's.

[George Hincapie]

It's not a question for you, Colton.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Can we have people.

[George Hincapie]

Dave, can we have people call in live? I think.

[Lance Armstrong]

All right, folks, somebody call in right now.

[George Hincapie]

No. With your question. No, no, no, Not. Here's George's phone number. What's that, Eric?

[Spencer Martin]

You guys would get the weirdest.

[George Hincapie]

Actually, you could call FaceTime. George, everybody ready? Write this down.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, man.

[George Hincapie]

Eight, six. What is it?

[Lance Armstrong]

Yep, that was close.

[George Hincapie]

Questions. But I do want. I. I would love it if people. Don't you think it'd be cool? People called in?

[Jens Voigt]

People could send voice notes in.

[George Hincapie]

No, I want them to call in. And that's better. When they call, who cares? This is the move. We don't care. We're live. We have made it this far. 20, 26. People are calling in.

[Spencer Martin]

All you would get is questions about the conjugal visits. That's literally all people would be asking you about.

[Bradley Wiggins]

All right.

[Spencer Martin]

Should we do ventum trivia before shoot.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah. Because yesterday's question was kind of. All right, I think we need to.

[Lance Armstrong]

Give Kaden a boomstick.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, I think so.

[Lance Armstrong]

That was incredibly impressive. Needs the boomstick. Kaden Groves. Boomstick.

[George Hincapie]

Boomstick. Kaden Groves. Ten Grand Tour victories. That's impressive.

[Spencer Martin]

More than Julian Al Philippe and Remco Evanopole.

[George Hincapie]

It's impressive that that frames it. Yesterday's question. The final kilometers of the difficult Laplana. There was another historic Alpine sporting venue.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

The answer to that was the 1 1/2 kilometer Laplana Olympic bobsleigh track. Now that's a sport.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

I wouldn't want to do the one where you go by yourself. Face down, face, like on your belly. I'm out on that. But I like the thing where you jump in the little rocket and the guy. You push it and the guy. I would 100 sit in the back of that. Like you get one of those. Those. Those East German dudes just ripping that. I would 100 do that. I don't know if that's what they passed. What's bobsleigh? That's not the thing on your face.

[Jens Voigt]

Skeleton. Skeleton is on.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That's.

[George Hincapie]

What a name for a sport. Hey, son, you should try this Sport.

[Bradley Wiggins]

All right.

[George Hincapie]

Stage 20 question marking its 50th anniversary since it first appeared as the final stage of the Tour de France, the Champs Elysees is arguably the most iconic stage of the Tour. With four wins over his storied career. Sir Mark Cavendish currently holds the record for wins here. In what years did he win? Send your answers to venomraising.com themove get you five grand registered.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Everybody's like, yeah, it registers you to win five grand.

[Bradley Wiggins]

All right.

[George Hincapie]

Mark Cavendish has four wins in Paris. What four years were those.

[Spencer Martin]

Not easy to. Don't do it. But that's not easy to do off the top of your head. That's. That's a tricky little question. I bet you could do it.

[Jens Voigt]

Say nothing.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. All right.

[George Hincapie]

By the way, saying that was a great.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Did you.

[Spencer Martin]

That was it.

[George Hincapie]

You started the. The say nothing series on. On Hulu about the IRA and the history of it.

[Spencer Martin]

Best show of the year.

[George Hincapie]

I had George watch it. Dark. It's real.

[Spencer Martin]

It makes you think.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

I have. I caught you all up on my. This Bob. My, my. My crush on Bob Geldoff so that I watched the second part of this Live Aid thing.

[Bradley Wiggins]

This.

[George Hincapie]

This Bob Geldoff, what a.

[Bradley Wiggins]

What a.

[George Hincapie]

What a guy. Incredible. And then because I love documentaries, we're gonna get to the question. So I started the Billy Joel documentary.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

I love music. That is an incredible. You talk about a complicated guy.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Boy.

[Jens Voigt]

I watched the first half of the Arnold documentary.

[George Hincapie]

Amazing. That's unbelievable. The Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yep, yep.

[George Hincapie]

No, he's. You Know Arnold Schwarzenegger. You know what he is? He's very smart. Yeah, he's incredibly smart.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You don't.

[George Hincapie]

This guy's lived 100 lives. But Billy Joel, check it. Bob Geldoff, maybe Bob Geld off, will call in in 2026.

[Spencer Martin]

Maybe he's in the third chair.

[George Hincapie]

I tried to drop that. I mean, the man. The man was.

[Lance Armstrong]

George was jumping on it.

[George Hincapie]

He started crying. Almost as much as some of these guys in the Tour cry these days. Big fan of that, brother.

[Jens Voigt]

Well, it's the emotion of winning a stage in the Tour, isn't it?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yep.

[George Hincapie]

I agree.

[Lance Armstrong]

I agree, man. Winning solo like that today. Sprinter. I can understand the emotion.

[Spencer Martin]

I think it speaks to how effed everybody is.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, they're just.

[Jens Voigt]

Emotional theory.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Didn't you.

[George Hincapie]

Okay, question.

[Lance Armstrong]

Not only that, but the risk they took throughout today's stage.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, you've just been on the limits and stage one, like, physically and emotionally. All right, this is kind of a negative question, but I do want to hear you guys answer.

[George Hincapie]

Kicker.

[Spencer Martin]

So it's from Thomas, Tomas, Benjamin, Toma, maybe. Does Jonas Vinegard lack the racing toughness to compete against Tad A. Just to. He has beat him twice. He only rides a handful of selected races where Pagachar is at the start all year round and never shies away from a fight. Racing and training are not the same. Not even for the best racers in the world. I'd love to hear your opinion on this.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Jens Voigt]

I mean, do you know what we. Jonas, I think now there's a. He's come to a point. He's won two Tours. You know, whether he wins another one or not, he's come up against the greatest ride of all time.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That's right.

[Jens Voigt]

I'd like to see him go for things like Liege, Baston, Liege.

[Spencer Martin]

Me too.

[Jens Voigt]

Because there's so many other races on World World Road title on the right course. He could win. He could win this year and other Grand Tours. I mean, the Giro welter.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

I think they might have to rewrite their playbook. But that said, if you go back to this year of Tour de France, I mean, Jonas had two bad days, and that's where he lost the majority of those four minutes. Other than that, aside from the sprints at the end, he was right there with Pogar and super Equal. So I think they're going to, you know, go back to the drawing board, look at those performances and say, maybe he does more racing next year to get that little extra pop for the finishes. But, yeah, they got to change it.

[Jens Voigt]

Up somehow with Jonas as well here. The last two years he's had accidents early in the season which have hampered his preparation, which today hasn't had also.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Jens Voigt]

You know, so these things swinging around.

[George Hincapie]

About the rest two years ago that he was able to come back from.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

But George, you know, you're right about the time losses in those two days. But let's not forget. And I. We don't know. We're not privy to the training data and. And what is the power he's producing. But by all accounts, this kids in zone two, Zone three went on the Tour de France.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

It might be on equal time. Go push him.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

Think the times are good now. Give me a little. I mean this is. And. And I'm with you, Bradley. I mean, you look too bad.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

You came across the goat.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

And there's nothing that anybody can do.

[Jens Voigt]

But also think if you put them on zero time with a week to go. Tade is a mean animal.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Jens Voigt]

And I still think he beats him.

[George Hincapie]

Absolutely.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

I think they just have to retool. You have to like adjust to Tada existing. Like maybe let's do the Giro or the Volta.

[George Hincapie]

Well, that's adjusting by avoiding.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. That.

[Spencer Martin]

There's nothing wrong with that. Like just avoid this guy. He's too good.

[George Hincapie]

Well, that's a shame.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[George Hincapie]

And that's. That's not. No, no major professional sport wants that to be one of the commentaries. Well, that's.

[Jens Voigt]

I wouldn't say avoid him. I would say do the same races in early season. Turn up at Paris Bay 2 up at Tour of Flanders.

[George Hincapie]

Well, race. Jonas can't do Perry Bay.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. Why not?

[Spencer Martin]

The Ardennes. I think that controller.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

And be successful there for sure.

[Jens Voigt]

You look what the best are doing and you. You copy them.

[Spencer Martin]

Ardennes Tour trying to do better. I would like to see them target that.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

But Bradley mentioned this yesterday. Let's just say like Tade is like a barista and Ljubljana never races a bike. Jonas is on his fifth Tour win.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Going for seven probably eventually. Like you do kind of forget. Like today is like a eclipsing everything. But you forget how good Jonas is.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

So there's another kind of negative question.

[Lance Armstrong]

But rain with the negativity.

[Spencer Martin]

This is something that I get a.

[George Hincapie]

Lot of feedback is someone you're pulling out the negative questions.

[Spencer Martin]

The other ones are all just about how George met his wife with.

[George Hincapie]

Wow.

[Spencer Martin]

And Jonas. Can you talk about that or is that not legal?

[George Hincapie]

I can talk about it. Why would it not Be legal question, please.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Without.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And.

[Spencer Martin]

And Jonas now balanced.

[George Hincapie]

Let me tell you a cute story. So George slips his wife Mel a note at the tour.

[Spencer Martin]

It's not allowed, right?

[Bradley Wiggins]

It's not allowed. Right. But that.

[George Hincapie]

That's neither here. There was a lot of stuff in.

[Spencer Martin]

That day because she was a podium.

[George Hincapie]

That was also not allowed. However, the man kept the note or she kept. It's framed in the house, isn't it?

[Lance Armstrong]

It is. It's framed, yeah.

[George Hincapie]

I mean, come on, people. The husband's wives risk. Who has the note?

[Spencer Martin]

Riskiness. Career to pass a note.

[George Hincapie]

No, not his career. Her career.

[Lance Armstrong]

She actually. She actually kind of blew me off and didn't want to give me her number. But her driver was a fan of the team and he gave me the number. So the note is my note. Her response. Her denial response. And then in different color pen was the phone number that he wrote. So kind of funny story. Wow.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yep.

[Spencer Martin]

Shout out to the driver.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, that's right. John. Luke.

[George Hincapie]

Geez, I didn't know that.

[Spencer Martin]

That's interesting. And this is coming. I. I do have children and they have drained my life force. So just want to frame the question with that. With wout and Jonas now balancing family life while Matthew and taday remain more singularly focused on racing, I don't believe Matthew and Ted have children. Just for the record, could this influence performance or longevity? And if w and y continue their current streak and avoiding injury and crashes, could we see them make a comeback in 2026 or are their kids basically ruining their careers?

[George Hincapie]

How are you pulling this? Yeah, I know we're not even gonna answer that. This is.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Does it affect you as a pro when you have kids?

[Lance Armstrong]

I think when you have small kids, it actually re. Re. Reinvigorates your motivation in lots of ways. Perhaps. Maybe your risk tolerance comes down a bit.

[George Hincapie]

I think that's right.

[Lance Armstrong]

You think about others as opposed to just yourself.

[Jens Voigt]

There's a lot of different responsibility goes.

[George Hincapie]

Up for field sprinters. I mean, for these true sprinters that are risking their. Risking their lives many days for sure. You start getting a couple kids and you know what it's feel like to get home from a race, pick them up, play around, jump on the trampoline, wrestle, whatever.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

You start going into a field sprint and saying, I'm not going to hit my brakes. Well, you start hitting them a little earlier.

[Spencer Martin]

But how many wins did caf. He had kids really early in his career.

[George Hincapie]

He is an anomaly.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

He's a freak of nature.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

No disrespect. To Kev's kids, but he didn't care. He was. He was. He's a. He was a winner.

[Spencer Martin]

I also think people like Wout Van Art probably is not waking up in the middle of the night feeding the kids like these people. Their job is to be rested and they have more money than a normal person. They probably can hire help and things like that.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[George Hincapie]

Is that it?

[Spencer Martin]

That's it.

[George Hincapie]

We got to do better. This is why we need people calling in.

[Lance Armstrong]

Let's get some positive questions.

[George Hincapie]

Imagine we can have somebody screening the college.

[Spencer Martin]

Dear Ma'.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Am.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah. What do you want to ask about? What do you want to ask about?

[Jens Voigt]

Better questions than is. Well, they're not breastfeeding his children.

[George Hincapie]

That'd be a good question.

[Spencer Martin]

That needs an answer.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Come on.

[George Hincapie]

Anyways, we will be back tomorrow for last days. What shape it is. The last stage. Not your typical last day. Shaping up to be interesting. I'm curious.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It will. We're there.

[Jens Voigt]

We made it through the tour.

[George Hincapie]

We made it through the tour.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, not yet.

[George Hincapie]

We shouldn't.

[Bradley Wiggins]

We're nearly there. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

[George Hincapie]

Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you tomorrow.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Sat.