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Jonas publicly said after the finish that he regrets his tire choice of today. He was using time trial tires. So this is now the third time that we see that UAE is using the time trial tires of Continental. I know another team where the riders constantly push the mechanics to put the time trial tires on their wheels because they're obviously faster. But I think in the case of a rider like Jonas, who's the heavy favorite, you have to go for safety. You have to, you have to try to control the controllables.
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Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Berniel. We are breaking down stage 11 of the Gird Italia. One bite and then we'll also preview stage 12. Don't forget people are asking where's outcomes? Outcomes is at the end of this episode. End of every episode we do a mini outcomes episode. But Johan Jonathan Narvaez wins from the breakaway. His third win of this year. To tell you, fourth for uae. This was no accident. This, this guy was the strongest guy of the day. He was unbelievable. Beat Inrik Moss in a in a two up sprint. I don't think Enrique Moss really believed he could win. I it kind of looked like he wanted to get caught so he wouldn't have to sprint against Narvaez. Diego Ulisi, blast from the past, finishes third, 11 seconds behind the breakaway splintered. There was a chase group coming after them. The GC group comes in three and a half minutes down without issue. Net company Ineos kind of taking control. The front of the peloton, Jonas Finnegaard hover. He's so good, so good at hovering around. I don't know if you've noticed this, but he's always, always seems to be in the right place in the group. The day, just a quick summary of the day started. It was one of these very similar parkours to stage eight, I believe, where it's a fast flat start for the first half, goes into mountain hills for the second half. That has an Odd dynamic of everyone wants to get into the move, but it's very easy to mark people out of the move. The type of riders that get into the move aren't the type of riders that can stay away on the mountains. Pretty interesting to watch, actually. I had a great time watching the beginning of the stage. There is a breakaway with a small gap going into the climb with around 90k to go, Jonathan Arbaez is back in the peloton. He's been marked by Egan Bernal all day. Probably thinking, oh, this guy's probably going to win. I'll mark him. Also if I get up the road, I cause problems for other GC teams. Win, win. There, there seemed to be. Vismo, though, was not allowing this to happen. There seemed to be maybe even a conversation. Narvaez eventually Flo, like, this guy was going so good, he floated off the front. He didn't even attack off the front. With 88k to go on one of the climbs, Enrich Moss is off the front and then he's in a chase group behind the breakaway that. That's riding away 40 seconds behind with 83k to go, he starts sprinting, he attacks across, gets across clean by himself 1 km later. So closes 40 seconds in 1 km on a climb. Very impressive. And then it was just a game of sitting in, not doing too much. There was a crash of Leonard Bennett, felt Felipe Bazana, Christian Scrone showing you how hard this breakaway or how talented, how strong this break was, if those three guys were in it with Narvaez, with Enrique Moss. Enrich Moss attacks in the final climb. Narvaez marks him. They descend down to the finish and then there was a two up sprint. It kind of looked like Moss could have closed the door on him, but he didn't. Narvaez wins the sprint for his third stage. But Johan, what was your takeaway from the day?
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Yeah, Spencer, I mean, I think the takeaway is how strong Narvaez is and how much he was in control of every single situation in this stage. There was no way he was going to miss the breakaway unless the breakaway would have gone on the flat a lot earlier. And you're caught out and you're all of a sudden, you're a minute, two minutes behind and you can't, you can't close the gap. But. But yeah, I mean, he was the strongest in every single situation. He said in his interview that Enrich Moss had him on the limit on the climbs. I don't believe that.
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Yeah, I don't believe that.
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Not on These climbs, you know, it would be a longer, longer steeper climb maybe, but by the way, great comeback from Enrique Moss, man. I mean, he was. He's out of the gc. He was very, very aggressive today. And, you know, being in front with Narvaeis, he knew he was not going to win. But. But I think for his morale, it's good that he. He was fighting for the victory because he. He really disappointed in the first two mountain stages and he came here for gc, so that was good for him. Also interesting to see Chris Harper in that breakaway, who was basically the only guy who was interested in having the gap as big as possible because he gets into the top 10. Now, that's, for some. Some riders, a goal on their. On itself. Don't know if he's going to stay there, but Harper's a strong rider, so he was always trying to keep it going and you could see that Narvaej was basically always looking, you know, whenever there was a situation that he knew, he let Harper do a lot of work, he let Hendrik Maas do a lot of work, but every time he needed to correct the situation, he corrected it in no time. In no time. I mean, he was. I mean, at least that's what it looks like. I mean, I'm sure he was also suffering and going full out. But. But yeah, I mean, listen, three stage wins for Narweis. That's. That's really impressive. Four stage wins in. In the last eight stages since their three riders crashed for uae. That's incredible. And, and, you know, I think a few podcasts ago we said, you know, this is not the last stage win for uae. So. So, yeah, I mean, here we go. We already have another one. And. And we were just past halfway now. There's still 10 stages to go. The atmosphere in that team must be incredible. And. And so there's probably going to be another stage win for UAE at some point. But they can ride relaxed now. It's, it's. It's.
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Yeah.
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I mean, being in that situation in a team, it's really nice because from now on in a Grand Tour, the suffering is physical, but above. Above all, mentally, you know, and there's a lot of riders who are now basically already so tired that they want to drag themselves to the finish in Rome. This is not the case in UAE right now. So. So listen, I mean, great win for him. Whatever his situation is for the future, his market value keeps going up and up and up. He's out of contract. You know, maybe he has signed a New deal yet or maybe he hasn't, we don't know that. But anyways, whatever, whatever. He, wherever he's going, it looks like he's not staying at uae. The biggest rumor is that he's going to net company Ineos. Comes from there, by the way. Three years ago he was riding there.
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Yeah.
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And, and so I guess his, his value goes up and up and up.
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Why is he living in uae?
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I still don't, I think it's for, I think it's for own opportunities, you know, I mean he's now, what is he, 29?
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29, yeah. So especially for the classics, right?
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Yeah, I mean, and there's a lot of races this rider can win if, if he, if he is, he's the protected rider one day races, stage wins and, and I guess also, you know, any other team who is in need of a rider who can win races, that's not the case in uae, but that's the case in ineos. And so I, I think if he goes back to ineos or Net Co. Ineos, I think that makes a lot of sense and the contract will obviously be very interesting.
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So that contract was signed before this year to tell you.
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Well, you know, I don't know whose agent is probably going to be either, either Carrera or Acquadro. Both of them, they're smart enough to put bonuses in there, running bonuses, you know, before the season finishes. So if it's signed, it's still going to go up.
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Oh, man. Yeah, this guy is, he's incredible. I mean we actually, it's like, you
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know, when you're the team manager of a team who has signed this rider said, okay, great, we have it. Please stop winning, Stop winning now.
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Ben Turner beat this guy. Come on. We can't afford this. But we could, we could talk for two hours about the stage and we wouldn't do what he did justice. I mean it was so impressive. He was marking, you know, they only what, five guys on the team so he, they don't have a lot of firepower. He's marking a lot of stuff himself on the flats. Doesn't work and it's like, yeah, I'm not going to worry about it because I'm just going to break away when we get to the climb. And you have enrich Moss, like Enrique Moss was working hard to get away from the group and he's one of the best climbers in the world and Jonathan Arias goes with him, doesn't get dropped by him, wins a sprint do is there Anything Moss could have done. Like, what is the plan there?
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Yeah, no, there's nothing. Nothing he could have done. Nothing he could have done. I mean, the only thing would be maybe, you know, try to put him on the limit in the downhill and try to, you know, make. Make him take risks for him to crash. But I think better the center than Enrique Mass, so. And Narvaej was actually leading the downhills, so. No, there was nothing Enrique Mas could have done. He did everything right. No, nothing. Nothing he could have done. Maybe you could say, maybe he would have had a better chance if there were five riders together than just the two. But that's also debatable because for Henrik Mast to get away, you know, he's not flat, he's not punchy. You know, he's a diesel. He goes away, you know, on rhythm, not with it, not with an attack. But no, I think Hendrik must did what he had to do. There was nothing he could do to. In the stage today.
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And you notice Red Bull had two riders up there. They had Alexander Vlasov with Nico Dense. Yeah, really. Actually good tactic. You send a bigger. A big round rider with a skinny rider. He helps him get in the move, and then he drives the move. Is this. What'd you make of this? Is this an admission that maybe things aren't going the way they want in the gc?
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I mean, obviously they know they're not going to win the Giro. I think that's clear. Unless Hindley kind of has his last week, which would be incredible, but I still think it would be very difficult. So on stages like today, guys should go in breakaways. You know, you can't just. If you have a rider who's especially. It depends the team, Spencer, Right? I mean, Red Bull, okay. They. They may have a possibility to have somebody on the podium. Right. Whether that's Hindley or Polizari, we don't know yet, but that's kind of expected from a team like Bradbull. So, you know, you can't just play all your cards and dedicate all of your riders to that one rider who maybe is going to be on the podium. You have to go for opportunities. I think today the fact that Vlasov was in there was good, although I saw he was struggling a few times. And, you know, it's not the Vlasov we've known. You know, Vlasov today, he did okay. But Vlasov has been on a higher level than what he's riding now at this Giro. And since a few races already, even last Year, I didn't see Vlasovan on the level we knew from him a few years ago, but never count out a guy with class and talent, which Vlasov definitely is. Super talented rider. He could have won the stage, but on the climbs, he was too much on the limit, I think. But at least they were there. There are other teams. Didn't have anybody there, right? Of course. I mean, Bahrain didn't have anybody. Visma didn't have any. That's on purpose. Dineros didn't have anybody. No, no, they didn't.
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Yeah, they were. There was a bit of a. I don't know. I think that deal was made because they were trying to get in the move and Visma was marking them every time.
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Yeah.
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And then I think a detente was called, perhaps.
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And then I. I saw that in some. Some sections, Ineos was. Was basically driving the peloton. I don't know if that was with the intention of. Of bringing the break back or just keeping Aronson in good position. I think.
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I don't. I don't think they were, because if you look at the times and the climbs they would like, they got to the front at the bottom of the hardest climb of the day, and I think the gap actually went up on that climb. So obviously they're not pushing, I think, and people can scoff at this. We've scoffed at it of, like, you know, you. You get the writer to believe. You show them that you believe. But Arman is a guy who. I think he's. He was open about this before the Giro, that he is. The main thing he struggled with is believing in himself and kind of get in his own head. So maybe that is what they were doing there. They looked good.
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What did you.
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What did you make of. So Visma in the, like, in the final? First of all, Jonas Vinegard, sprinting himself to the front of the group for the final descent, leading down the descent, no teammates with him. And then he only has two teammates with them when they get over that climb. What is that a tactic by them to save riders, or are they hurting right now? What's going on?
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No, I mean, there's, you know, two riders left. Who was it? It was Sepkus and Piganzoli, the climbers. I mean, that was a hard climb. There was, what, 30, 35 riders left. They've done already quite a bit of work in this Giro, although a lot less than what a big favorite team normally should have been doing because of circumstances, because other teams were either in the lead or came up in doing the job for them. But still they're down one rider. Also, they lost Keldermann very early. So I think it was normal to have only three riders there. Didn't look like it was never a problem for them. I do have one. I remarked one thing. I saw a quote from Jonas which surprised me and keeps surprising me. Not just about him, but about choices some riders and some teams keep making. And I was thinking was that maybe also one of the reasons why netcompany Ineos was trying to drive it, especially on the downhills, is that Jonas publicly said after the finish that he regrets his tire choice of today. He was using time travel tires. This is now the third time that we see that UAE is using the time trial tires of Continental. I know another team where the riders constantly push the mechanics to put the tantra tires on their wheels because they're obviously faster. But I think in the case of a rider like Jonas, who's the heavy favorite, you have to go for safety. You have to try to control the controllables. I mean, at least, I mean, maybe I'm old fashioned thinking but. And I said this already, you know, we. That's what we always did. You know, we back in the days was different. We were right. It was 23, 21 and 19 millimeter tires. Completely different story. But still. And he said, he said that Jonas said he regrets the choice and he didn't feel confident in the downhills. You know, that's something that shouldn't happen. He. First of all, he should not ride time trial tires, especially not in a stage like today.
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Well, today. Yeah. What did he up the game by going?
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Exactly. So is that also. I mean then my second question is also, is that also because he feels a little bit off, that he wants a little bit extra advantage with better tires or faster tires. It shouldn't really make a difference for him in a stage like today. I can understand that. You know, a mountaintop finish, you, you go with. I mean, but then he still have the. If it's. If it's basically 1, 1, 1 climb, you can go with time trial tires, that's fine. But you know, today was good weather, you know, didn't was no rain prediction. And still he said he felt he. He didn't feel safe. Obviously that's also an information that the other teams have because you know, I mean in the bus parking in the morning, people go and you know, they go check out the bikes from other teams and they look what gear do they have? What tires are they riding. So for sure, Ineos knew that thing of God was on time trial tires today. Is that a reason why? I mean, I'm just thinking out loud. Maybe not.
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Well, that would explain why he then sprinted to the front of the group for the last descent, like, yeah, I'm gonna slow these guys down.
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Well, he definitely wanted to be in front, but didn't feel comfortable. So I don't understand these choices in stages like today. Yeah, I would just ride the normal safe tires, which are also pretty fast.
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Very fast. Yeah.
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I don't know. They're riding. They're riding Victoria. No, I think they're riding Victoria tires, I think. But. But yeah, stuff like that shouldn't happen.
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Super technical dissents too. It is a strange choice. Very strange. Net company Ineos had five riders in that front group and they've not been great as a team. So it shows things are turning around. Here's a little. You said Ahrensman's not going to win this race, and he's probably not, if we're being honest. But I went back and looked at this. 60% of his career wins, not just grand tour stage wins. 60% of his wins have come in the last seven days Grand Tour. So I do wonder if. If Visma's feeling a little like, I, I don't know. I wouldn't, I wouldn't love having him 90 seconds back. Especially if Jonas maybe is trying to half speed his way to a Giro title. That. That would give me a little bit of pause. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, listen, it's something to, to have in mind. You know, the guy is obviously, you know, he started this Giro really well compared to other. Other occasions where he lost time in the first few stages. This time he didn't lose any time. He's now also virtually in second if we, if we don't count Eulalio. And I think normally Harnessman will finish ahead of Elalio. But. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely. But I don't. I just don't see him good enough of a climber to. To make life
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190 seconds is hard unless someone totally falls apart. Like even think about Pagachar when he was at, you know, 20, 24 Tour de France and he's blowing up the Pyrenees. He's not finishing that much far. He's, you know, Jonas Vinegar. It's still in the vicinity. And those are some of the best climbing performance as we've ever seen. So it actually is hard to pull back. Even Felix Gall. Think about Felix Goll He's 157 back. It's hard to pull that back on a guy like.
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Yeah, on, on. Especially on. On. On Iron's one. It's. I think it's more. Going to be more of the contrary, Spencer, is that. That Jonas is going to take time on Ironsman on the climbs. That's, that's what could happen normally.
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Here is the only thing today made me think about and it reminded me of Jonas right now. Reminds me of Contador when he was not at his best, but he's still winning Grand Tours. Do you remember the stage in the Giro where Landa. It was Landa and Aru get up the road. Contador is isolated. He does a great job to. He limits the losses and wins the race. Could we like think of like stage 14? It starts on a 16k long climb. It's one of these classic alpine days where you just have like up, down, up, down, up, down with some valleys. Is Visma going to be there in force? Like what happens if, if, if Bernal gets up into the breakaway? Like do they have that? That's the only thing I'm kind of thinking about.
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Bernal is not a problem for you on us.
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Well, let's say. But I mean he. Eventually he would be. I just wonder if they clearly didn't want him in the break today. They didn't want to spot him three minutes, that's for sure. But I don't know that now that I'm thinking about old consular victories and how he, how people kind of win at him. I do. Does make me think about these alpine stages and if. How Visma is going to approach that realistically in modern cycling. Doesn't matter. Sit back. Someone's going to pull for you. Bahrain's going to come to the front. Who cares? Whatever. So, yeah, maybe it won't be a problem.
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Nah, nah. No, I think, listen, I mean, even if Jonas is a bit off, he's still, you know, if he just backs off a little bit, he's not gonna lose. If he loses time at all, it's not going to be about. It's not going to be a lot.
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Yeah, I mean that was weird. Weird with the time trial tires. I don't get that. Since if you looked at the parkours for today you'd say yeah, pretty technical to sense. I'm pretty sure.
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I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. UAE was riding the TT tires again today also.
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They, they.
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Yeah.
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It has to be mostly mental, right? It cannot be that fast.
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I mean, listen, No, I mean, listen. And also, but also, you know, the, the, the TT tires are also. They have good grip. You know, it's. I think it was just a bit of a risk in the, in the rainy stages for, for uae. But. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. The fact that he said it himself today, I think was telling. There was obviously. I mean, otherwise you wouldn't say that. You know, you would say. You would just keep it quiet or.
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He doesn't care. Right. I'm gonna win this race. I don't give a.
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He, he. He only said it to the Danish media, not. Not to the international.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, interesting.
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That does happen that people. There's like an NBA player who went home to Germany and he was saying all this stuff he shouldn't have said on a podcast, but I'm like, in his mind, he was like, they're never going to hear this. They don't speak German. They can't figure this out.
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Yeah.
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So only five teams have won stages. We're at stage 11. Five teams have won. It feels like we say this more and more in Grand Tours. We're like, oh, it's only six teams at one stage. UAE's 1 4, Sudal's 1 2, Astana's 1 2, Visman's 1 2. Net company Ineos. The Little Engine that could with the getting a stage win yesterday doesn't bode that well for smaller teams. I mean, Sudal would be the smallest of those teams, but they're very specialized in what they do.
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Yeah, no, it's a. Listen, I mean, there's a lot of teams who are gonna get away with nothing here. You know, if you look, I mean, Red Bull hasn't won a stage. Huge team hasn't won a stage. And the thing is, you know, it looks like they're gonna have to be very lucky to win a stage, actually. These teams.
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Yeah, so.
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Well, yeah, we'll see. We'll see. I mean, we still have 10 stages to go, so plenty of opportunities. But you know the hard Mountain stages are going to be won by the big teams, right?
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I guess, sometimes. No, if you think about stage 20 last year. What, what? Chris. Chris Harper wins JCO. Like, sometimes those actually are the optimal stages because the GC thing, you know, the GC situation's its own ecosystem, but that, that takes us to tomorrow's stage. Do you want to talk about it or do you have anything left for today?
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For today? Not really. Not really? No. I think we've covered most of it, if not everything.
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I just, people, I don't have the power numbers in front of me yet, but I bet someone like Narvaez, the power numbers were ridiculous. Like, even before he gets into the breakaway. It was so hard for the first hour and a half, two hours of racing.
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Yeah, I think they did 46, 47 kilometers per hour or something. They were like, I think they were like, I think at some point, one hour ahead of the fastest schedule. Yeah. And then obviously in the last part of the, of the stage, it slowed down because it was, it was hilly. But, but again, again, a, a super
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fast stage and it takes a toll. I mean, you can just, you could see people being fatigued, so it's, that's only going to get worse and worse. But let's take a quick, quick break and then we'll talk about stage 11. Hey, everybody. This episode is brought to you by Hims. When thinning starts, it's not just your hair that takes a hit. It can change how you feel day in and day out. Hims makes it simple to take control of hair regrowth with personalized care that fits your life. Hims offers convenient access to a range of prescription hair loss treatments with ingredients at work, including chews, oral medication serums and sprays. HIMS can help since Dr. Trusted ingredients like finasteride and minoxidil can stop further hair loss and regrow hair in as little as three to six months. And Hims thinks you shouldn't have to go outta your way to feel like yourself, which is why they bring expert care straight to you. With 100% online access to personalized treatment plans that put your goals first. No hidden fees, no surprise costs, just real personalized care on your schedule. Think of HIMS as your digital front door that gets you back to your old self with simple 100% online access to trusted treatments for real health concerns all in one place. So for simple online access to personalized and affordable care for hair loss, ED, weight loss and more, visit hims.com themove that's hims.com themove for your free online visit himss.com themove Featured products include compounded drug products which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety, effectiveness or quality. Prescription required. See website for full details, restrictions and important safety information. Individual results may vary based on studies of topical and oral minoxidil and finasteride. Everybody. This episode is brought to you by Blueprint. For years. I just guessed. With supplements. Something for recovery, something for sleep, something for energy. It was a cabinet full of pills and powders with zero confidence. It was actually working but Blueprint changed that for me. One scoop of their longevity mix every morning in water and that's it. It's got 13 longevity actives like magnesium and creatine, all at study level dosage. It supports energy focused sleep and healthy aging. And everything's a third party tested. They also publish the results publicly so you can actually see what you're getting. And you know thought neer has been put into this product. Since you've probably seen the founder Brian Johnson on social media as the guy who's trying to live forever. This is literally what he drinks every morning. So if you're serious about longevity, you should probably check this out. Science backed, Precision dosed, no BS. For a limited time only. Our listeners get 20% off plus free shipping@blueprint brianjohnson.com by using code the Move at checkout. That's Code the Move atblueprint Brian johnson.com for 20% off. Find that link in the show notes after you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show by telling them we sent you. Okay, Johan, tomorrow's stage. 175 kilometers. It has a. It has two CL2 categorized climbs. An 11k climb at 4% and then followed immediately by a 5.5km long climb at 6% and then it descends and the last like from the top of the last climb it is roughly 50km to the finish line. You mentioned little track. One of the teams that needs, needs a win here, that this could be a good stage for Jonathan Milan. Even if it's not, they. They need it, they need to make it one. How do you see this playing out and who do you think is going to win?
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Yeah, I mean there's several scenarios, right. I mean I think a breakaway is going to be difficult. Still possible, but difficult. A complete bunch print is a possibility. Those climbs are Cat 3 climbs but I see it more as a sprint of a reduced peloton. Spencer, I can foresee a scenario like we had on was it stage. I don't remember what stage it was when. When the guy from Astana won. What's his name? Thomas Guillermo Silva.
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Yes. Yes.
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So I mean and especially with the performance of Enrique Master, they morale and the team. I think, I think tomorrow Movistar is gonna drive a hard pace on. On that, on that. On those climbs. Especially on that last climb. What did you say? 5.5 kilometers. 6%.
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Yeah, yeah. And so it doesn't descend immediately, which
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makes him my favorite. Tomorrow is Is or Luis Solar doing winning a sprint.
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Okay. Yeah, I like that. I guess I, I would say, well, that's a long way from the top of the climb to the finish, but that's essentially what they did on stage. What was that? Stage four. So I think it was b.
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It's probably a bit closer, but still, you know, people are tired now. It's, it's. Teams are not complete anymore. Some guys are, you know, it's difficult to organize a chase from now on. So, so yeah, I think, I think that's probably going to be the scenario. It may still all come back. Right. And in that case, I'm, I, I'm giving my preference if it's a sprint to, to Paul Manier because I think he's in better shape and he climbs actually better than Jonathan Milan in this zero.
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He is a very good climber, Very good climber. How do you think he's been handling this race?
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Yeah, I mean, you know, it's, it's not his first Grand Tour. Right. He already did the Giro. But, but you know, he's still young, so he might get, he might be tired. But I think Paul Magnier is doing, he's been doing all right, man. Tomorrow's a great opportunity for him if, if there's a chance to stay close and make it back. And he has a whole team dedicated to him. You know, they have nobody for, nobody for gc and they have a few guys who really are riding strongly, you know, like Sterven is riding well. Yeah, there's a couple of Italians there who, who ride well on the team. So yeah, I would say if it's a, if it's a sprint or if a sprinter can make it back, it's probably going to be many who makes it back before Milan.
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A
So we have the betting odds. They're out. Paul plus 275. This is on DraftKings. DraftKings, sponsor of the move for the Tour de France. Paul Monier plus 275. Jonathan Milan plus 350. Ben Turner plus 400 Gronnevig and plus 1200 Tobias Lund. Apparently you don't say the Andreessen, you just say Tobias Loon plus 1200. Ular is plus 1200. So that's a very good pick actually for a wild card if that plays out.
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B
So the, the, the betting, the betting companies assume it's going to be a pure bunch print.
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A
Yes.
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B
Okay.
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A
And I do think, I'm not so sure. I think Ular is a great hedge on that. I, I, is Would he get beat by Narvaez, though? Is that the problem? Because he got beat by him last time.
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B
What's the finish like? We haven't checked the finish. The. The detail of the finish.
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A
It's kind of slightly uphill.
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B
Okay, okay. That's obviously.
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A
But just very slightly uphill. Let me. Can I see Velo viewer.
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B
Let's see if it's slightly uphill, then, of course, it's a different story.
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A
Here, let me look.
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B
No, no, no, it's fine. It's no, it's. It's no.
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A
Yeah, I can tell us exactly the grade for this final.
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B
It was 2% max.
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A
So in the last kilometer. Yeah, it's like a percent.
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B
Yeah, that's.
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A
If anything that's better for, like, it's one of these roundabouts with an inside the funnel. K. Like, why do they do this? But if anything, that's better for like the pure sprinters because then they can really separate themselves. I. I do. I'm having a hard time between, I bet the last two days. I got Ghana right. I got Narvaez right. Nirva's was plus 800, interestingly, and Chacone was plus 300. But then Chacone rolls up to the, like the mix zone this morning and goes, yeah, I'm sick. Like, well, okay, why was he plus 300? Did no one have this information? You can't always trust that Monier versus Milan. I mean, that would be something if Monier. I do tend to agree with you that Monye is probably going to win. That would be pretty incredible if he did win. I mean, he looked so fast the last time we saw him back in Naples. He didn't win the stage. I'm gonna go Milan +350 because he needs it.
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B
Same, same. Same as I always say, Spencer, Milan is already. He's still. I mean, he's not. How old is Milan? 25, 26.
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A
It's like in the prime of his career. Yeah, I think he's mid-20s, but he's,
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B
you know, he's already done a few, like a bunch of Grand Tours has the engine, you know, these guys tend to stay at that level. You know, they don't. They don't lose any, any speed, if not the contrary, when everybody's kind of fading away. Guys like that, you know, stay, stay, stay the same. So if Milan has a chance to beat many, it's going to be in the second part of the Giro. So tomorrow could be an opportunity for him.
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A
What about Gronnevaging on that note?
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B
Yeah, obviously, Groenwegen has, you know, he has been struggling more, suffering more, to get over the climbs so far.
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A
Like, today would have been hard. You know, these are not easy days.
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B
No, no, no.
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A
I was.
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B
What was today? 3,000 meters?
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A
Yeah. Like a mountain stage, almost.
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B
Yeah, that's. That's a hard stage. So it depends. It depends. But listen, I mean, last time we saw him sprint, he definitely had the speed to. To. To win. So, I mean, I would. I wouldn't mind it to be a pure sprint tomorrow that we can see all the real sprinters fighting it out. That would be nice.
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A
Something we did notice though, like, today was four and a half hours. The time cut was 35 minutes. So it's more generous than the Tour might be. Yeah. So I guess that makes it easier. But I'm gonna go. Milan, you're going. Monier Ular's the wild card. Yeah, I like. I like that a lot. Frankly, I don't know if Narvaez should be my wild card. What about Corbin Strong? What about Corbin Strong?
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B
Corbin Strong? Yeah, Corbin Strong. Although I think Corbin Strong is probably a bit stronger in harder finishes. Yeah, I think he has less speed than these big, big sprinters. Corbin Strong is not. He's not a heavy guy. You know, he's. He's pretty lightweight for a sprinter.
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A
Yep. Okay. Well, thanks, Johan. Anything else before we take off?
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B
Nope. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Thanks.
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A
All right, we'll be back for stage 12 and previewing stage 13 tomorrow. I see you.
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