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Johan Bernal
Unfortunately, Adam Yates did not start. Apparently the consequences of a concussion. So stage three and already three UAE guys out of the race. You know Adam Yates is out. Mark Soler, who by the way, we now know he was the first rider to go down yesterday. Apparently he has a pelvic fracture. And then Jay vine, also concussion and an elbow fracture. Poor Jay vine, man, he's. Yeah, that guy has no luck. But anyway, so they're down to five riders really after three days.
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Spencer Martin
Everybody, welcome back to the Move Plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Bernal. We're talking about stage three of the Giro d' Italia won by Paul Mane in a sprint finish ahead of Jonathan Milan. Dylan Gronovagan in third place. A very close finish finishing in Sofia, Bulgaria. Our last stage in Bulgaria of this Giro. Quick stage recap. We had again no fight for the early breakaway. They're letting these breakaways go. And for the third consecutive day, Diego Pablo Sevilla was in it from Pulte visit Malta. He had a teammate, Alessandro Tonelli and Manuela Torz. Torzo. Torzo from Bardani csf. These guys, these guys were pretty impressive. Three riders in the breakaway. Their gap is like never massive. But it was harder to pull them in than I, than I thought. The teams of the sprinters each had a rider up there pretty much all day keeping in check. The Red Bull kilometer goes by, they don't catch them. So those guys soak up all the bonus seconds. I would assume the GC teams were happy about that. They don't have to fight for it. Tudor missed. I missed the opportunity to try, to take, to try, I guess attempt to take the Magalia Rosa with Florian Stark. But another question, if he actually would have been able to sprint to get it. And then we go into a sprint finish. Milan and little Chuck were up there early. Sudal quickstep brings up Paul Magne going into the final few hundred meters, though, it was all about Unibet Rose rockets. They were up there. They had Groenevagan in perfect position. Milan overtakes him with 200 meters to go. Magne's right on Milan's wheel. Gronabagan's on Magne's wheel. They take a left. It was weird, weird finish because Milan has to start his sprint before he can see the finish line. They turn left onto these brick cobblestone. They were loose, like you could see how loose they were. Milan slipping all over the place. Monier looks unfazed. Pretty impressive. Like ride from this guy. And he sprints around, wins the stage. With Dylan Gronvegan close behind in Milan overtaken. We looked at the power data. Johan Manier actually had the lowest power, which tells us he probably managed the, the draft and the timing of that sprint the best. Milan was putting out massive watts, like 1900 watts, like peak in that sprint. And then Groenevagin was slightly more power than Meunier. Exact same speed though, showing us that Monier really won that sprint between 3, 300 and 200 meters to go. But what were. And no change in the gc, what were your takeaways from the stage?
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Johan Bernal
Yeah, well, Spencer, as expected, you know, typical. Yesterday we predicted bunch sprint. It was clear, you know, like same guys, same two teams again in the breakaway as every other day. So three days in a row, the same two teams? No, well, actually no. Yesterday was two, two riders from one team, right? From pti. Yeah, but man, Diego Sevilla, three out of three. I mean, yeah, he can take. He, he needs a rest day. This guy needs a rest day tomorrow.
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Spencer Martin
And they, they only got reeled in in the last kilometer, really today.
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Johan Bernal
I mean that was, I think 500 meters. They were still ahead. You know, one day it's. They're going to miscalculate and it's going to work out. But yeah, I mean, you have to, you know, as a rider on those teams, obviously it's their objective, right? Polti and Bardiani. It's not a coincidence that it's always those two teams who are in breakaways. That's. I think it's probably part of the deal. The implication is, okay, guys, you know, we invite you, but every time you have an opportunity, you are in the breakaways. It's great for the sponsors, also for their sponsors. Lots of TV time. But yeah, then other. Other than the race, Spencer, you know, we can be brief about the race, but I think, interesting to know, unfortunately, Adam Yates did not start. Apparently, the consequences of a concussion. So stage three and already three UAE guys out of the race. You know, Adam Yates is out. Mark Soler, who, by the way, we now know he was the first rider to go down yesterday. Apparently he has a pelvic fracture. And then Jay vine, also concussion and an elbow fracture. Poor Jay vine, man, he's. Yeah, that guy has no luck. But anyway, so they're down to 5 riders UAE after 3 days. Also Vendrame, the Italian rider, was also in the crash yesterday. Did not start. He finished the stage yesterday, same as Adam Yates, but I've read that he has fractured several vertebrae, which is, you know, something very serious. So, yeah, I think I just wanted to point that out before we. We start to talk about today's stage. I mean, other than. Other than, you know, what happened in the breakaway, there was not much else going on. I mean, I haven't watched the whole stage. I just saw the final. I just saw that on that long climb, that cut to climb, nobody was really in trouble. Arnaud de Lis was a bit in trouble.
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Spencer Martin
I saw, yeah, one guy was in trouble, and that was about it.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah, yeah. I mean, we know Arnaud has started. I mean, he barely made it to the start of the Giro, if I'm not mistaken. So the purpose of the Li being at the start is we all know that he was out. After a few races in the spring, they decided, okay, you need to stop racing. There was something wrong. He trained, came back last week, his first race, he won straight away in Wallonia. So everything, you know, indicated that he was back on track with a decent condition. And, you know, the purpose of him being here. They announced already he was going to do 10 stages or nine stages, because I think after 10 days, it's a rest day again, but with the purpose, obviously, to get some competition in the legs, get some good intensity. But unfortunately, we had got the news after this race in Wallooni and Belgium that several riders on Lotto Intermarche and other teams were hit by this bug, stomach bug, due to debris on the road in that area in Belgium. And the Li was one of them. They had to. I think they had to Pull out one rider and bring in another rider the day before the Giro. And then the Lee barely made it to the start, so he's obviously weakened because, you know, nobody got dropped. So the lead normally shouldn't get dropped either. Let's see now with the travel day and, you know, bit of rest, if he can recover and at least finish another seven stages, so he can. He can get some form again. But other than that, I think it was. Yeah, go ahead.
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Spencer Martin
What's the benefit of keeping him here versus, like, do you just hope he gets better and can. Because he can't compete for a stage in the condition he's in right now? Are they just hoping he's better?
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Johan Bernal
Don't count him out. It's, you know, if he recovers from this, from his stomach bug, things can change. You know, I think. Well, first of all, I think he needs. He needs competition. I don't know the league personally, but from what I can gather, the team is. Probably feels better about the league being at the races than being at home training. That's my take. So they know that he's going to train and do the work. Of course, you need to be in an acceptable condition to be able to use races to get some rhythm. And I think he was in a decent condition, but now he's obviously. I think he had fever. He, you know, he had stomach problems, had to vomit. That's not a good way to start a Grand Tour. Right? Even if those first three stages were not very hard, it's still. It's not good. And on top of that, you know, the weather is not great, so far from ideal, but I'm confident that if he can turn it around, he's still going to be able to get a bit better and then work towards some other races before the Tour, because I think the purpose for the LY is to race the Tour de France. Don't really know what's going on with him personally, because everything points into the direction that he's not staying at Lotto Intermarchet, that there are several interesting offers for him. I read about Red Bull, I read about Soudal, I read about Alpecin, but apparently all of those three are not in the running anymore. And the pole position is now Tudor, which is probably potentially ready to make a really good, interesting offer for him. So then the question is, where is the Li mentally right? Is he thinking about his next contract and knows everybody knows that the Li is super talented, and if everything is right for the lead, that he can win big races, he's shown it already, right? He showed me. I still remember vividly that win in Canada. Was it, Was it, was it, was it Montreal or Quebec?
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Spencer Martin
I think it was Quebec. It's the easier of the two. But I, I was thinking of the same thing. I. Yeah, I vividly remember this.
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Johan Bernal
Probably one of the most impressive sprints I've ever seen from anybody. Because, you know, coming from where he came and winning against some really good riders, that's the potential of the lease. So that potential, everybody still sees that potential. He's young. So there will be a very, very interesting contract offer. Then, of course, the risk is, is that now his main occupation? Thinking about where I'm going to ride, which contract I'm going to sign. I'm going to sign a great deal for three years probably. Then it depends on the state of mind of the rider, how hungry is he to really perform, or saying, okay, you know what? Don't really care. They want me anyways. You know, I'm going to sign a great deal. I've seen these type of situations in the past. That's why I'm not saying that's the least case, but it could be. What we do know is that the LI needs guidance and, you know, if he gets everything, if he's healthy and he trains properly, he can win great races. The potential is there. My question is, why doesn't it happen more often? There's a reason for that. So that's. I hope we can find the answers, you know, on those questions pretty soon.
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Spencer Martin
There's a team in the U.S. the Miami Heat basketball team, and they have, like, Heat culture, so they test your body fat once a week and then they write the percentage on a T shirt and you have to wear that T shirt around to practice all week. And they're known for turning, you know, they get people like Dali and they kind of turn their careers around. It's pretty interesting to watch. I feel like Alpecin is that team in cycling. Maybe he should have explored going to Alpecin. Feel like that would be the best place for him.
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Johan Bernal
The thing is, you know, I think that for the moment, Alpecin Premier Tech, you know, they don't have the financial leverage to compete with other teams. With tudor, obviously, it's, it's, it's not a World Tour team yet, but they do have a, a great budget and
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Spencer Martin
they got Porsches as their team cars. So, yeah, setting the tone with that, I saw the other day, they were at a race and they definitely had Porsches as their team car. So it definitely gives off an air of we have money. It's kind of like Switzerland in general. You're not quite sure how they have so much money, but there's money. They've got money.
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Johan Bernal
I mean, listen, it's a great project and you know, they have ambition also to grow. They've gotten already to a very high level in a very short time because, you know, they're not world tour officially, but they are world tour level, like organization. If you look at them, you know, if you look at the image of Tudor, it is a top level World tour team. It's all really, really nice. And you know, so that's obviously very attractive also to a writer. So, I mean, if I can you believe the rumors, that's where the Lee is headed. I mean, hopefully I'm wrong and we can still see some great results. I mean, if the manager of tudor, which is Fabian Cancellara, and he is pretty smart, there's probably incentives. And his agent is the brother of Matthew van der Poel, David van der Poel, I think so, you know, he's also pretty smart guy. So there will be incentives for the league for the remainder of the season. If you do this and this and this, your future deal increases. So let's hope that that works.
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Spencer Martin
We need him like he needs to get a sleeping bag and just start living in Vanderpoel's garage. It's like, just follow this guy around, do whatever he does. That's what we got to go on a Vanderpoel boot camp.
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Johan Bernal
You know, that's not always a great ide idea. You know, I mean, you have these like, Matthew Vanderpool is such a big engine.
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Spencer Martin
That's a very good point.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah. There's not many writers who can train with him. Writers can train with him, but they usually are dead after a few weeks and they have the rest able to compete again. Now. I don't think the Lee would actually suffer from that because that guy is strong, strong, strong bull. So he could maybe benefit from it.
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Spencer Martin
So on. On the sprint, you. You picked Paul Monier. He wins. I mean, this guy. This is what we thought Dali would be. French rider on SUDOK quickstep. Second stage win in three stages. Really impressive. Did you think Jonathan? Well, I, I thought Dylan Gronovig and had it. With 300 meters to go. His team's on the front. He's in perfect position. It kind of flip flops. 200 meters to go. Now Milan's in the front. Money we. We missed how this happened. The camera missed it is behind Milan, Gronovic's behind Monier. Looking back, that reshuffling is where the race was won because Gronnevig can never overcome because they turn and then they don't have that much room to sprint around each other. What did you. Who did you think was going to win this? Like, how did you feel about Monier winning it?
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Johan Bernal
Well, I thought Manier was in great position, you know, so initially the Unibet Rockets did a great lead out. Um, and then, so it was. There was two. Two riders from Unibed Rockets and then Grune Vega was in third position. I think Grune Vegan gets surprised a bit about with. With Milan coming at a higher speed and he loses the battle for the wheel of Milan to Manier. That's where the sprint is one. That's where the stage is one, I think when Manier gets the wheel of Milan.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, yep.
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Johan Bernal
You know, Milan started early, some people say too early. I don't think so because, you know, it was very close. Was very close. And in the.
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Spencer Martin
If he's in top shape, no one's coming around him.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah. Also, you know, he did lose a bit of traction twice on those, you know, bricks. I don't think that really that's not the reason why he lost. I think he lost because money was just faster. But anyways, there's improvement for Milan. It was closer today. You know, it was very hectic. The lead out into the way they came into that last kilometer, Spencer was. It was crazy fast. It was slight downhill. I've seen speeds like not in the sprint, but just before the sprint on, you know, like 3, 3, 3% downhill is 75 kilometers per hour before the sprint starts.
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Spencer Martin
Almost 50 miles an hour.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah. And then the sprint was 68, 69, 70K an hour. So, you know, I mean, there's not much. There's no room for any error. I mean, you can't go all of a sudden 3 km per hour faster at those speeds.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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Johan Bernal
So, yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised that Magnier wins. You know, as I said yesterday, great motivation. You know, the team is unbelievably behind him. Second win, man. Second. Two out of three. It's a great start for, you know, young money who, by the way, we found out is French, but was born in Texas. Laredo, Texas. I don't know where Laredo is, but that's right on the border.
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Spencer Martin
It's a border town. It is not. So he moved when he was four years old. He moves back to France with his Family to Grenoble.
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Johan Bernal
Okay.
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Spencer Martin
Just imagine the inverse of Grenoble, however amazing Grenoble is. Think of the opposite of that, and that's.
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Johan Bernal
He was 4 years old, so he won't remember. He won't remember. Apparently his parents were working at the time in Texas, and then they moved back to France. His dad, by the way, was also an ex cyclist on the track. I've read somewhere. But, yeah, I mean, listen, Manier, we've. We've talked about him for two years now already. You know, today his 28th victory in his very short career, and there's many, many more to come.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, I mean, that's super impressive from this guy. First Texan to win a Giro stage. Someone asked me, a listener asked me, do we think so, probably, right?
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Johan Bernal
Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah. Lance never won a stage at the Giro
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Spencer Martin
and otherwise like Lawson Craddock or something, but I don't think he ever won a stage at the Giro.
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Johan Bernal
He did.
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Spencer Martin
Lawson did. Wasn't that Chad Haga?
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Johan Bernal
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Who I don't think is a Texan, but I can't say that.
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Johan Bernal
Okay.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, I don't believe he is, but I don't know, actually. No, no, he's from, like, Colorado Springs or something.
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Johan Bernal
So we had Kevin Livingston. I don't know if he's a real Texan or an adopted Texan.
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Spencer Martin
I don't know. That's a good question. I always thought of him as from. Remember this guy, Chan McCrae? Was he from.
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Johan Bernal
Probably did the Giro. I don't think he won a stage. So, no, that's going to be the first Texan ever.
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Spencer Martin
We got to get this guy in the US national team, if he's still a citizen. I mean, you got to pay. The only thing is, you got to pay income tax to the US no matter where you live in the world, if you're a U.S. citizen. But we got a nice tax treaty with France, so you could be okay French.
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Johan Bernal
I think it's more or less the same.
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Spencer Martin
Well, yeah.
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Johan Bernal
Why? The French riders don't live in. Don't live in.
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Spencer Martin
In Monaco. Yeah, yeah. They're in the same bucket as us. They. They can't run away from that tax service, actually.
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Johan Bernal
I think they can, actually, because I. I thought.
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Spencer Martin
I looked into this because think of all the French cyclists and all the French F1 drivers. They never live in Monaco, but they.
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Johan Bernal
But there's a few, quite a few that live in Andorra, though, so.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, it's a good point. I know. Maybe there's Not a tax treaty with Andorra, though Monaco and France have.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah, there's an agreement there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
I mean, I'm just like blown away by this. And not just in Grand Tour stages, but for classics in the years to come. I, I would watch. He's. He's not a big. He's not a big one dimensional writer. He's very nimble, lighter nimble writer.
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Johan Bernal
The ideal future winner of Milan San Remo. Yeah, absolutely. No doubt about this guy can win. Lance and Ramo and do we think.
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Spencer Martin
I feel like Siddharth quickstep, little bit of a page turn here. They kind of have their stage win mojo back. This is not even their best sprinter. That's the really impressive thing. They have Tim earlier waiting around for the Tour de France, presumably so. And kind of similar sprinters, you know, off road background, very good bike handlers. They can handle a lot coming at them, even though they are very fast and straight line sprints.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Question for you. Where is Casper van Uden? Was he taken out by that crash with Picnic? Like, what's going on with him?
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Johan Bernal
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There was, there was actually a writer. Wait. Oh, wait. Vanutin. Vanuden. Yeah, yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Remember he won a stage this year.
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Johan Bernal
Last year he was not taken out. He was not taken out. But yeah, I haven't seen him. He just, he won a stage just a week before the Giro in Tour of Turkey. No, I think. But anyways, the Giro is not the same thing.
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Spencer Martin
I mean, it's all. The answer is it's all positioning. Right. If you don't have the team to get you up there, as you said, the speeds are too high. You can't.
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Johan Bernal
It was extremely hectic because it was so fast, so wide. It's in a fraction of a second of a hesitation and you're. You're out of the top 10 and there's nothing else you can do. You can't make any ground up at those speeds. And. But I think, I thought, I thought Grunenwegen, you know, Gruner Vegan, did a good sprint. He himself was disappointed. He said, you know, obviously we came here to win the stage today was, you know, he was in there, did a great. Came back, he had a lot of speed at the end, did exactly the same sprint as Monier in terms of speed. But he himself said that he, you know, he blamed it on himself by waiting too long. But, you know, third place so close to the victory. I think Runne can win a stage
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Spencer Martin
in this in this 01, great lead out from Unibet Rose Rockets. First Grand Tour in the team's history. What they've done the first few stages, it's. I mean, today they were the dominant team in that lead out in the final few hundred meters. So, I mean, kudos to them. Not easy to do that little track. I mean, this is, this is the season from hell for them. They were third in wins last year. They currently only have eight wins, six of those coming from Jonathan Milan, two from Juana Uso. Juan uso not having the season he wanted to have. Milan got most of those wins in the Middle east, has. Has only won one time since coming back to Europe. This is. And Derek G. West losing time crashing yesterday. Not looking himself even outside of that. Cannot be where little Trek wants to be right now.
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Johan Bernal
Definitely not. I mean, that's, you know, but things happen, you know, they have, they have Ayuso out with a first bit of crash in, in Paris, then an illness, I think when he came back in, in. Was it Catalonia?
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, yeah. So he crashes at Paris. Nice. And then when he was in the
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Johan Bernal
leader's jersey, he wins Algarve.
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Spencer Martin
Yes, things are looking great. Algarve wins. Algarve goes to Paris, crashes out and
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Johan Bernal
then comes back and I mean, yeah, let's, let's get, let's wait a bit. Let's wait a bit.
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Spencer Martin
Right, so he came back to Basque country and then what happened? What, what happened there? He just didn't look good. Right. He was sick at Basque Country.
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Johan Bernal
Do we know, actually was the Basque country where he came back?
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, and he just looked off. Right. He's 38th in the first time trial.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Did we ever get an answer about that?
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Johan Bernal
He did not do Catalonia. No, no, I don't think so.
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Spencer Martin
No.
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Johan Bernal
It was the basket where he came back after Paris. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. You could see straight away he was out of it in the time trial. And then just after three stages, I think he called it quit. But yeah, let's wait. Listen, I mean, things happen. Look, look at UAE in this, in this, in this Giro here. Let's see what, what happens with them now. You know, after three stages, down to five riders, man, that's going to be a long three weeks. Lots of opportunities, lots of opportunities for some riders, but they have to, you know, switch. Switch the, you know, switch off now and see what they do. For some reason, for some riders, it could be, could be a great three weeks or whatever is left. Two and a half weeks left with many opportunities. But it does not always go the way you want. Right. I mean already before this Giro, we already talked a few times that UAE was unbelievably hit by bad luck and injuries and illnesses. They had like at some point they had 12 or 13 riders not available. Well, add three more to that list now with Yates and Solar and vine. So.
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Spencer Martin
Well, well, one of them is. There's always the same rider. So Jay vine was presumably part of that list. He's now just going back on to the injured list. I mean, that is, I think it's third straight stage race that he's crashed and broken a bone at. Not, not great, not really bad luck.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah, well, listen, yesterday there was nothing he could do, you know, was they go down in front of you and it's, you know, and he was obviously in, in front and great position and just, you know, bad luck.
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Spencer Martin
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Spencer Martin
Okay, Johan, we so we're going to stage four. We have a day off tomorrow.
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Johan Bernal
We.
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Spencer Martin
We do and the race does because we. They transfer back to Italy. Italy. The riders left for UAE at this point. Igor Arrieta, Mikael Berg, Jan Christin, Jonathan Narvaez and Antonio Morgato. Kind of interesting from. If you imagine those guys have no responsibilities anymore and they just go for stages. That is kind of. I'm interested to see what happens. Like, I assume they'll be very aggressive in breakaways, that they could actually win multiple stages even though they've had this terrible start to the race. Could be.
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Johan Bernal
Yeah, could be. I mean, like a guy like Jan Christian is. Is very ambitious. This could be, you know, this could be some great two weeks left for him. Borgado also.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. Who probably came thinking he was working for gc and then now it's like, well, yeah, go out there and win as many stages as you can.
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Johan Bernal
Well, I'm always, you know, like, winning stages. I'm always very. I don't like to hear that. You know, let's try to win 1st people. Winning one stage. There some riders or some teams. Yeah, we don't have anybody for gc. We're gonna. We're gonna try to win some stages.
- [29:42]
Spencer Martin
Well, this is the one team that. That can maybe back it up.
- [29:46]
Johan Bernal
They can. They can.
- [29:47]
Spencer Martin
Yeah. That was. There's the stage. Winning was not the issue with the VTA last year. I would say everything else was the issue. So they are transferring. I'll. I'll go. Let's. We'll go through tomorrow's stage in a second. But something I noticed after the stage today that I didn't really think about. First of all, some teams didn't have a bus at the start. So, like, EF is just sitting on the side of the road because their bus is already driving to stage four, 22 hour drive. Also, imagine the gas bill. It's gonna be like a $30,000 gas bill. Holy smokes. Can you imagine be the one getting that assignment? Hey, buddy, you're gonna drive 22 hours.
- [30:22]
Johan Bernal
I've also heard that there's some teams. I mean, not everybody's doing it. There are some teams, for example, that from today on, they just leave their big vehicles there. They have other vehicles already waiting in Italy, and those are teams that also participate in what's coming now, the Tour of Hungary.
- [30:44]
Spencer Martin
Oh, that's interesting. That's a good idea.
- [30:46]
Johan Bernal
They also actually go from Bulgaria to Hungary.
- [30:49]
Spencer Martin
Yeah.
- [30:50]
Johan Bernal
With the vehicles that are, for the moment, over there. But listen, logistically, it's a nightmare for the teams and the staff and the riders, it's, you know, it's not a rest day. I'm assuming they've traveled tomorrow.
- [31:04]
Spencer Martin
I don't. I bet the riders are fine right now, don't you think? Okay, get it done.
- [31:08]
Johan Bernal
And then that would be good. That would be good. But I don't know if that's the case.
- [31:11]
Spencer Martin
I don't actually. I don't have any inside information on that. I. Yeah, well, we'll see. I'll ask around. We'll see what happens. But something I didn't really account for. And Jens Voight was trying to interview mechanics after the race, and none of them where they were like, hey, man, we can't talk, because they were packing the bikes up into boxes, like cardboard boxes. That is a lot of work. A lot of work. It was pretty shocking to see.
- [31:34]
Johan Bernal
Yeah, because, you know, I mean, so those are probably the teams that leave their trucks there and they. They basically fly with the. With the bikes.
- [31:43]
Spencer Martin
With the bikes. Yeah.
- [31:44]
Johan Bernal
Yeah.
- [31:46]
Spencer Martin
And I guess even if you. I mean, yeah, maybe you could drive all the trucks if you left now, you could get there by the end of the day of the rest day, but I wonder if everyone's just flying with those bikes. That is a huge amount of work. I also heard last night that. So you're not supposed to do two foreign starts in a row. The zero kind of broke that rule, did it? The teams, though, asked for. They all got almost like an extra €100,000 from RCS to do this because they're all losing money on it. I mean, think of the money involved with what we just described. And. But that's. That's almost like 2 million euros over €100,000. Well, it was like they normally would get a €40,000 allotment. This is from Daniel. This is reporting from Daniel Friba. It's a good reporter that normally it's 40, and then this year it's €120,000 for the three days from the race organizers. That's a lot of extra money. But.
- [32:40]
Johan Bernal
So presumably it's a lot more than they get at the Tour. The Tour de France has been around 50, 60,000 for the last 25 years. It's never changed. I mean, listen, the fees, the expense fees that teams get at those Grand Tours. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I mean, if you would know the cost, the operation costs of a team, which comes on top of what the organizers pay, because we know that all the lodging, all the hotels and the food is paid for, for Riders and staff, but it's. That's also limited. You know, the way it works is that especially the Tour de France, they. I think they pay for whatever, like 20 people, 23 people teams. Nowadays, they bring 45 people to the race with everybody, you know, every. Everybody extra. So it doesn't even cover your. Your. Your gas expenses, basically, with all the vehicles you have running around and driving around and big trucks. Big vehicles. So, listen, I mean, that's good. I mean, I didn't know that, but, you know, 120 instead of 40, that's. That's pretty good. That's.
- [33:53]
Spencer Martin
I mean, it tells you they must have gotten a really good offer from Bulgaria.
- [33:58]
Johan Bernal
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, otherwise they're not going to pay that, you know, that's not going to work.
- [34:05]
Spencer Martin
Yeah, we all. I also. I don't know. I don't even know if the story's true. I heard a crazy story that, remember, the UCI evacuated these people from Afghanistan and then they relocated them in Albania. And part of the deal with Macron was if they got. If they took the people, he would consider having the Tour start there. They said no Tour, but maybe the Giro. And then that's partly how the Giro got to Albania. But funny stuff like that does happen.
- [34:30]
Johan Bernal
I did not know that. I can investigate. Yeah, I always like to investigate little things that the UCI is sneaky with. So I'm going to try.
- [34:40]
Spencer Martin
Something's afoot here because you would just never see two foreign starts like this. It's very unusual if it's.
- [34:46]
Johan Bernal
If normally it's not allowed to have two foreign starts in a row. And it happens. You know, first of all, you know, it's always the same, you know, like, they always make exceptions for the power parties, like, you know, aso, rcs. If a team asks for an exception, it's never granted.
- [35:04]
Spencer Martin
No, no, no, no, no. We can't do it. It's in the rules. Sorry, not our call. I will. My bigger issue, though, are these courses. So stage four tomorrow, or. Sorry, on Tuesday. No show tomorrow. By the way, everybody, 138 kilometers, there is a mountain. Category 2 mountain, 14k long. Sounds hard. Nah, it's probably not going to be that hard because it's about 40 kilometers from the finish. It's a descent. They have the Red Bull kilometer.
- [35:32]
Johan Bernal
It is.
- [35:33]
Spencer Martin
I. I think where it's going to be a sprint, but it's uphill, which would be kind of interesting, like a 4% final kilometer uphill. But, man, the Giro just loves these. It does. It feels like the Tour and even some ways the Vuelta, they don't waste kilometers, they don't waste days. Like everything is important, the Giro. You get the feeling, you're like, is this just another stage like the one we just saw? I. I'm like, frankly not that excited about it. And then they're like, okay, we've the way now it gets interesting around 5, stage 5, 6 or 7. But what. How do you think this is going to play out tomorrow and who's going to win?
- [36:07]
Johan Bernal
Yeah, I think it's going to be sprint again. Spencer. Same scenario as today. The climb comes, you know, like a little bit after the middle of the stage. It's short stage 138k. So that could be in the advantage of a breakaway, but it needs to be a decent breakaway. So I think, I think sprint again, finish slightly uphill. So it's going to be not very high speed sprint. And unfortunately, I mean, unfortunately, I mean, or fortunately, I'm going to pick the same winner. I think money wins again.
- [36:44]
Spencer Martin
Yeah, I like that pick. I'm going to pick. I'm just on the record, I like that pick. If you're going to bet money, Paul Magnier looks fantastic. The guy looks unbeatable. I'm personally going to bet on this guy. Mattis Mikos from Estonia, 22 years old, was fifth on stage one, was fourth today. Has no lead out. There's nobody really helping him from ef. He's in there doing it by himself. I think the uphill finish could give him, it could penalize him less for that. And if you go back, he has three wins. His first pro win or like pro serious win is Deutschlandtur Stage 3, 2023 uphill. He beats Danny Van Poppel in that. So maybe he's an uphill sprint specialist, I don't know. But it's going to penalize him less for having no teammates helping him.
- [37:31]
Johan Bernal
Yeah, and you know, I mean, if you could that kind of sprinter, you, you actually can wait, you know, and try to find the wheel. It's less likely to get boxed in when it's a slow sprint because it's going to be the strongest ride, the strongest sprinters at the front.
- [37:48]
Spencer Martin
I mean to be getting to be getting top five in these ultra high speed sprints with no team support is really impressive.
- [37:56]
Johan Bernal
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good pick.
- [37:58]
Spencer Martin
Okay, well, I, the odds are not up. They'll be up tomorrow, but I assume Monier off the top of my head, let's just say he's plus 200. Yeah, Monier plus 200. Milan will be about plus 200. And then Mattis might be like plus 3,000. So I'm going to go with him. I, I would not be shocked if we're standing here in Paul Monier's one. You don't think that. Do you think anything else is going to happen? No GC action because it gets pretty serious at the end of this coming week. So I would imagine people will just wait.
- [38:31]
Johan Bernal
Yeah, yeah. I mean, on tomorrow, on, on Tuesday stage, there's. There's nothing to do. You can't, there's no. You can't do anything.
- [38:40]
Spencer Martin
What about the breakaways? Well, there's been no contest to get an.
- [38:44]
Johan Bernal
Diego Sevilla is going to be the break.
- [38:48]
Spencer Martin
I guess you figure on a stage like, because it's flat, it's basically flat. We're in the. It's the south of Italy, so it's Contazaro to. There's two. Two cities in southern Italy. Very featureless. First 100km and then you start going up that long climb, descend down with no feet, with no real texture like that. It's probably too easy. No one's going to go in the breakaway because it's too easy to pull you back at will, I assume. Especially with this many fresh riders.
- [39:18]
Johan Bernal
Yeah, I mean, somebody's going to go on the break. Those, those, those same teams, even if they know they're going to get pulled back, they're still going to go and the peloton is going to let them go. But, you know, same scenario. I think three, two riders. Three riders, four maybe. And of course, I think Sudok quickstep is going to be in charge of bringing back because, you know, if you want 2 of the budget sprints, then the responsibility is on you.
- [39:49]
Spencer Martin
There's also a lot of teams that think they could win from the sprint. So there'll be more teams to pull you back, less teams that want to spin riders in the breakaway like just suit all Quickstep Lidl Trek Unibet EF Exius Astana Unox J Cole Alula Decathlon. Bardianni has a sprinter here, so they might not even be up the road. Tudor Movistar like all these teams can squint and nsn imagine themselves winning a stage from a sprint. So they'll probably be no appetite for a big breakaway.
- [40:21]
Johan Bernal
No, for sure not. No, no.
- [40:23]
Spencer Martin
Well, thanks, Johan. And we'll be. Enjoy your day off. And we'll be back on Tuesday.
- [40:28]
Johan Bernal
Tomorrow. You're gonna write tomorrow, Spencer, because I mean for the, for our followers who have Were. I mean, I don't think you mind if I bring it up, Spencer, but
- [40:36]
Spencer Martin
yeah, don't bring it up.
- [40:38]
Johan Bernal
I'm kidding. We have our, you know, our yearly challenge and. Let me, let me look. I think you should definitely take advantage tomorrow to ride because let me check If I have 1100 kilometers of advantage on you. On you.
- [41:01]
Spencer Martin
I gotta do a thousand kilometer day tomorrow. Ride to Kansas City from my house.
- [41:07]
Johan Bernal
Riding a lot. You've been riding a lot also. You've. You almost have 4,500 kilometers. I have 5,500. Almost 5,600 already.
- [41:15]
Spencer Martin
So what's your weather look like the next few days?
- [41:19]
Johan Bernal
Tomorrow? Let's see. Tomorrow should be okay. Let me see. Yeah, tomorrow I'm definitely riding because it's raining on Tuesday. So tomorrow I'm riding.
- [41:34]
Spencer Martin
You're on pace to beat your distance from last year by like 4,000 kilometers.
- [41:39]
Johan Bernal
That's my goal. That's my goal.
- [41:41]
Spencer Martin
It'll be interesting to see, like, can we actually cheat the system or are we destined to ride the same kilometers every year no matter how hard we try? I'm curious to see what happens here. It feels so hard to actually get ahead of where you were the year before. It. It feels harder every year.
- [41:58]
Johan Bernal
I've been riding a lot. I have to admit. I have been riding a lot more than last year so far.
- [42:03]
Spencer Martin
Well, you look. You look thin. You look in shape. We were joking before. If we were talking about a big rider weighing 78 kilos and I was saying if we showed up weighing 78 kilos, people would think we were sick. Like, are you okay?
- [42:15]
Johan Bernal
Where do I sign? Where do I sign?
- [42:18]
Spencer Martin
Well, enjoy your day off. Don't ride too much and we'll be back on Tuesday.
- [42:22]
Johan Bernal
I think tomorrow's minimum going to be 100k, so.
- [42:26]
Spencer Martin
Minimum 100k. That's when you're not in a race. That is very hard to do. All right, we'll talk to you on Tuesday, Johan.
- [42:36]
Johan Bernal
Okay, Spencer, thanks. Okay, bye.
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