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No, not at all.
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For him especially though, you know those. I mean, he's in good shape. He's in good shape. So he was fifth yesterday, third today. He's doing a really good Giro, Steven.
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Yeah, like, really good. Super impressive.
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But you see how difficult. I mean, you know, this is a really strong rider. It's a monument winner, right? He's in good shape, has the freedom sometimes. And it shows how difficult it is to win a stage in the Giro. I mean, you know, this guy definitely has the power, the talent, the experience. Just doesn't manage to win a stage.
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Everybody, welcome back to the move. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Berniel. We are breaking down stage 13 of the Giro d' Italia and then previewing stage 14. Critical, monumental stage 14. At the end of the episode, stage 13 was won by Italian rider Alberto Betty, all from XDS. Astana from a breakaway worked over under poor Andreas Lechtenson from Unox. He was away on the final climb. Betty all looked like he was off the back. And then it almost looked like Johann. A dad riding with kids. It's like, okay, you guys think you're. You think you're strong, you think you're up there. And he waited until 100 meters to go on the final climb, sprinted past Lechnitson, pushed it over the plateau on the top, descended down for an emotional stage when his first win in quite a while, his first major win since joining Exius Astana from EF. Yes, per ST. In the breakaway again was third place. The peloton was 13 minutes back. No change in the GC. The start of the stage was quite active. I, I do think I've had my fill of these flat opening 100 kilometers of endless attacks. Riders trying to get in the breakaway. Let's, let's mix it up a little bit. Rcs. But it was a super fast start. I mean, the final, the average state, the average speed for the peloton, or sorry for the breakaway for the whole stage was 50 kilometers an hour for, or maybe 49 kilometers an hour.
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So it was 48.9, 48.9.
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So it was well over 50 for the first two hours. Probably a move goes with 179k to go. There's an intense chase behind with Felipe Ghana trying to get in a chase group. But everyone knows Felipe Ghana wants to get in a chase group because the stage finishes in his hometown. So he can't get away. The peloton actually breaks up. That's how intensely people were sprinting behind Ghana. Visma gets to the front and says, all right, enough of this monkey business. We're shutting this down. A chase group was in between the peloton and the breakaway at that point. The peloton sits up when the peloton, the breakaway sits up when the peloton sits up to let the chase group on. And that was kind of the end of the stage until we got to the final climb. Beautiful day. But Johan, what was your take on, on the, on the racing?
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Yeah, well, I mean, obviously a very specific state, Spencer. And you know, we, yesterday we said, you know, it could be a puncher. The question yesterday was, does a breakaway get away and makes it to the finish? So the answer, we got the answer pretty soon. As soon as we saw 15 riders breaking away, 11 teams were represented in that breakaway. And so it's super, super difficult. And at this point in this, in the race also it takes. If you miss the break as a team, you're not going to pull back 15 riders where there's a really common interest. The only way you could basically see a team chases is if they're punished for not being in the break, but they're not going to get anywhere. So at this point, I think that teams who had missed the break just lick their wounds and say, okay, you know what, we'll just wait for another day. From that moment on, we knew that the breakaway was going to fight for the stage victory. They got up till 11 minutes. Nobody in that breakaway was dangerous for GC. Nobody was dangerous to get in the top 10. So all in all a boring stage until, I guess, those last two clients. The pace was, as you said, unbelievably fast. I think, you know, initially they said, you know, it's going to be 49. It was 49 and something until those climbs. But those two climbs didn't really slow it down much. They still were close to 49 average. And then, you know, we, what we saw specific. There were some really good riders in there. But what I was really surprised to see, Spencer, was know Groupama fdg. They had three riders in there and that's nice, but they rode like the other riders did not participate in this race. I mean, the way they came to the front and they started to accelerate on that. First on that second last climb on the. And then on the last climb with, you know, first Johan Jakobs and then the other guy. I don't remember. Was it Axel or something?
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It's H U E N S.
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B
Yeah, Never heard of him.
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C
But I'm sure he's a fine man. A great, great guy.
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B
Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I mean, what I was really surprised to see was that they rode like, obviously, you know, if you look at the gc, they had this other, you know, relatively unknown rider, this guy from New Zealand, Josh Kench in that breakaway. And they were riding like this was the guy, he was best in GC. He was only 20 minutes down and everybody else was close to an hour down in gc, so not in bad shape. But still, I thought it was a bit stupid from Groupama to go with that much confidence and ride. Like if Kench would just take off on that last climb and drop everybody. When you see guys like Valgrin and Lechness and Betio, you know, I think it was a stupid move against three veterans and proven winners in the past. And it turned out to be true. You know, Kench attacked with confidence and conviction, like he's the man to beat. But I think he was a bit, you know, overconfident or the team was overconfident or they got the instruction from the car. You know, guys, okay, we're strong. We're here, you know, we're going to kill these, kill these guys. You know, I mean, this. I did some research. So this Josh Kent, He's Ken, she's 25 years old.
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World Tour.
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First year in the world. Yeah, first in the World Tour. He got. He was on a Chinese team last year. He was, you know, in the. In the Asian calendar, basically, which, you know, it's also, I mean it's hard racing but you know, it's not because I checked he. It's not because you won the, the Tour of Shahi and the Tour of what is it called Boston lick in 2025 that you're going to drop these super experienced guys. And so he did, he did exactly what he didn't have to do. And then Leknesson's attack. But Joel passed him, Walgreen even passed him. So at some point he was. There were the four first guys who went away initially they were one by one and this New Zealand guy from FDG was Groupama. FDG was the fourth in in the ranking. So I think that was not smart at all. I mean he's going to learn from that. He's not, I mean he's not a bad writer. You know, at this point if you're in that break and you're making that selection of four riders, you have to be pretty strong. But he was definitely not the most the smartest guy or the team tactics of fdg Rupam FDG were not really, not really what they should have done. They should have been cautious and just try to hang on. And in that case, you know, if, if he's a good climber, you know, if he's in good shape, he would maybe be able to hang on to that attack. And then being the lesser known rider, maybe he could have taken advantage in the final to get away. But they did exactly the opposite of what they should have done.
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Yeah, especially since there was a kilometer on top of the climb that was flat, you know, would be a perfect place to attack if you get over the.
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But also Spencer, if you, you know, if you know that the last 2km are so steep and they have the same profile like everybody else. Like okay, you know, they obviously didn't recall on this stage but you know, you, they have the profile, they have Velo viewer, they have videos. There's whatever information available. There's staff members who preview the course in front of the race, get the information. If it's a four kilometer climb and you know that the last two kilometers are 10%, you don't go from the bottom. That's, that's just not smart. Especially if you have these killers with you like, like, like Volgren and Lent and Betiol, that's just not smart.
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I, I have a theory about this. So Groupon fdj, kind of a machismo team, right. It's like we, we must get to the front. We Must show them how strong we are. Would you disagree with that statement? That's kind of how they operate, right?
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Well, sometimes that's what they do, but sometimes it works. But you know, especially in this race here. But I mean, all over. I mean, I think if you look at the classification of this year's season, I think they're really in the bottom. I'm gonna guess I don't have the classification, but I'm gonna guess they're in the last three positions of the World Tour in this year's racing.
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I will tell us right now. And then the while I look it up. The other component of that is Josh Kench. Daniel Fried did an interview with him actually last night before the stage. Super interesting. Said he was making good money in China, that it's a good place to kind of, you know, if you're not making it to the World Tour, you can go to China and race and the third division and make livable wages. But that he only got on Grupama because he tested so well. So he must be, you know, his numbers must be insane if he's doing that. So maybe that's why they thought, let's have him go hard also. I agree. Betty all and Valgrin are killers. Not exactly racking up the wins lately. So maybe they thought were fit. Guru Palma is 16th out of all teams.
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18 out of 18.
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Yeah, well, there are, there are.
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There's probably some.
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There's pro teams. Yeah. Like Coid is actually having a good year. Sneaky good year. Cofitis Pinarello is.
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Well, that's not, that's not, that's not good for group armor. But anyways, that was just an observation. I mean, Betio man, today I think he was unbeatable. From what I hear from people in the breakaway, they felt like he was the strongest rider.
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Well, he wasn't even in the original move. He bridged up.
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I'm not so sure. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Anyways, that's irrelevant. But his interview after the stage was interesting. You know, he said that. So his, his. The family of his girlfriend is from the finishing town. He considers it his second home. You know, his whole family was there. His dad, his brother, then all the family members of his girlfriend. We even saw his girlfriend at the finish initially, not being allowed to go and congratulate him. And then he said that, you know, he knew that this was his day. He knew the last 50km off this stage off by heart, which is also, obviously you could see clearly that he knew exactly how this last climb was where the others, I mean, nobody, except if you're a local Italian, nobody would have previewed this stage in person. So he knew exactly how to hold back. And then you could see that he kept Legnison there. And then just the change in speed in the last 150 meters of that climb was astonishing. It was like he, he rode past Legnas and like it was another race. So he knew exactly what he was doing. And yeah, I mean, listen, first, first win for him in two years. You know, I remember that from so 2026 now. So end of 2024, surprisingly, all of a sudden, Betiol changed teams from EF to Astana, which was. Everybody was saying, why is this happening? And I think it was at that moment where Astana was being threatened by relegation and they wanted to sign somebody urgently to score points, which they did, obviously, a lot in 2025, but they were scared.
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Not thanks to Betty hall, actually.
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No, no, exactly. But that was why he was released from ef.
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So they, and I assume EF saved a lot of money. Six months of wages for Betty, almost be.
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Yeah, so they, they, they saved money on his salary. They got a buyout. Maybe not so much, but anyways. And, and, and Astana wanted the guy to score points. I mean, turns out that he didn't score almost any points because his. He has not won since August 2024. He had not won a single race.
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Well, guess What? The last two races in 20.
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He won two races in 24, but he was still on EF.
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And guess what the last time. What the last World Tour road race he's won was. What year was it in? This is a world Tour. Unbelievable.
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World Tour.
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Yeah.
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A stage in two down under.
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That was a prologue though. So was last Mass start win was 20210 d' Italia Tour Flanders. 00 Flanders win was like 2019, seven years ago.
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Yeah, he doesn't win often, but you know, he, the guy's a character, you know, I mean. And listen, today I'm gonna say that he deserved to win this. He was the strongest, the smartest. No, no discussion. There was nobody else who was gonna win but Betio. And you know, third stage win for Astana. Man, this is also four stage wins for uae, three for Astana. They won with Silva, the second stage, then they won with Ballerini and now with Betiol. I mean, probably three riders. You wouldn't really expect before the start of the Giro that they would win stages. They had the leaders jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So pretty good Giro for them and xds. Astana. Sorry. I keep saying our good friends at
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XDS are going to get mad at us. Here's a crazy stat. So, Betty, I call these guys cicadas because they go into hibernation for years and then they come out and, you know, like, he hasn't even been in the top 30 of a stage yet, but the class is there. It's hiding there. Tadipag started 11 races this year. Do you think he has more wins this year than Betty all has in his career
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this year?
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Yeah. And he started 11 races for Gotcha. Do you think he has more or less?
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Yeah, I'm gonna say he has more. He has more wins than the Jollins in his total career.
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They're tied nine to nine.
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Oh, okay. Okay.
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Gives you a. That gives you a sense for how. How far in between the wins are. But also, I think people watching you forget how meaningful these wins are because he's saying, like, oh, it's worth it to me to wait because this is such a beautiful win, such a big win. It's like what you're saying when teams come in and they say, we're gonna win stages, it's like, well, wait, a second stage is a hard thing to win. And what are we now on six teams of one stages at this race?
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Yeah. I mean, you know, if there's one team who won four, one team who
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won three, and then two, two, and Net. Net company one. So it's UAE four, XDANA three, Sudal two. Who won yesterday's stage? I'm losing my mind.
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Bahrain.
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Bahrain. Bahrain's. Yeah. Yeah. They have won. Net company Anyos has won, and it's. Well. And that's the other. Well, also, before we. Before I ask you that question, do you think Betty all kind of worked. Let Nixon over by letting him attack, letting him dangle, and then pumping them right before the top of the.
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I think. I think. I think. I think. But y' all had the perfect control. He managed this climb to perfection. This last climb, you know, he kept Leknesson within reach. You could see that he was there. Leknesson tried his hardest and then, you know, accelerated tremendously in the final of that climb. It was. You could see that he had it under control, especially the speed that crazy develop in the last 100 meters compared to Lechnesson, who was. You know, he passed him, and then it. It felt like on the screen, it felt like forever for Leknessen to crest that climb when Betiol was already flying down the other Side So you know, and it was meant to be for Batiol because you know we've been talking Spencer, we're going to ask Gabriel to put up this picture here. Credit to Willard Flitz for putting up this picture on their social media. So Betio had to win this stage because he finished. He was also. He was on the same time trial tires like we've talked about already and he finished with a nail in the tire and didn't puncture. So turns out they're not as fragile as we think.
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Who is the tire sponsor?
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It's Continental. The same Continental GP5000. I mean you can see there on the picture here. So you can see the 5000 and then the TT and there's a nail in there. So he, he had to win this. It was meant to be one thing.
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I, so I, I was on these top trail tires just the other day. I get a like a piece of glass in there. You know, there's a hole, it's leaking but it seals because I don't want to. No free ads. But the, the sealant company that some of these teams use is very good at plugging flats as we saw today with Betty All. So that is like something I never really thought about where you're like oh yeah, that's a huge advantage if your sealant is actually plugging tires versus other sealants which I've not had as good of luck with. You could definitely tell Betsy all had a. Visited the. The girlfriend's family and been doing this climb like he knew exactly what to do and he knew exactly fast. True. So true or false question for you. You work for rcs? Sure. Or this is a. Should you, should you push the stage winner's girlfriend out of the way so you can get the first hug with the stage winner after the stage. I can't believe that guy.
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He, I mean, I don't know.
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He.
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He didn't. He had. You know, these are guys that obviously, you know, travel from finish to finish with. With the caravan. Right. So I, I mean everybody. I don't know if she didn't. I mean, listen, if she's local I would guess she has a credential. But you know, it's.
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It's possible. Maybe not. I guess it was fun.
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Funny to see that he was holding her back and then finally she escaped. It was, it was. Yeah. That was great.
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It does give you a sense for how you could feel the excitement for how exciting it is to have an Italian winner. The day was beautiful. Like Lake Maggiore. They won the Stage, everybody wants to go there now. Looked. Looked fantastic. Italian winner, so people were excited. GC Nothing happened. But did you notice? I mean, this must just be paranoia. Jonas was like, fifth wheel. You know, nothing is going on mid stage. Jonas is right up there at the front. I assume this means he thinks the way he loses this race is, you know, you see it sometimes. A stage like today, you're rolling along, bottle drops, you crash, you break your collarbone. I guess he thinks that's his biggest obstacle right now.
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Maybe. I mean, if you're in fifth, in fifth wheel, there's only four bottles that can drop in front of you.
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Yeah.
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If you're 100, there's a lot of bottles that can drop. I mean, no, I think, you know, I mean, obviously. And okay, 11 minutes they got the breakaway, but, you know, in. In the peloton, it's. I mean, they also didn't take it easy.
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I mean, they were.
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Yeah.
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Single file.
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Was it. Was it. It was basically Bahrain that was doing all the. All the work.
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Yeah, it was like Bahrain had three riders. And then he does this thing where he rides behind and then the rest of the team's behind him. Why does he do that?
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Yeah, that's. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's not bad. I mean, it's obviously one wheel he trusts more than anything else. And then it also. I mean, it avoids having to fight a lot for position because they're protecting. In this, three guys behind you that are kind of serving as the sweep to, you know, so you don't have to fight so much for position. If you're in. If you have three teammates in front of you and you're last, there should always be one rider behind the leader. Always. But if you have three, it. You know, it's safer. It's a lot safer.
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I guess you're forming a literal bubble so no one can touch the wheel, basically. Anything else on the stage before we preview tomorrow's stage?
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I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, yeah, it was. It was a nice final. Leston is strong also. I mean, he's been up there a few times. Strong rider, but just. It was not meant to be today, but you all had to win this one.
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We should say Lechinson in his interview was roasted. It's. It's getting warmer this race. Not as hot as Madrid, but it's in the high 20s centigrade, and you could tell, like, some fatigue in that group. Like, I don't think he had anything left, like, TD did everything he could. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, let's.
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Also third place for Jasper Stuyven on a stage that was not really.
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No, not at all.
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For him, especially though, you know, those. I mean, he's in good shape. He's in good shape. So, I mean, he was fifth yesterday, third today. He's doing a really good Giro, Steven.
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Yeah, like, really good. Super impressive.
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But you see how different. I mean, you know, this is a really strong rider. It's a monument winner. Right. He's in good shape, has the freedom sometimes, and it shows how difficult it is to win a stage in the Giro. I mean, you know, this guy definitely has the power, the talent, the experience. Just doesn't. Man doesn't manage to win a stage.
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Yeah. So if you look at the power, Johan, he's doing 520 watts, basically, on stage two, Lechmanson to stay. To not even stay in the group, to be dropped by Jonas. And then today, 483, for the same time on that climb shows you, A, it's a little bit easier in the breakaway, and B, they're how tired they are. Like, they're. They're fatiguing. The power is literally going down as they. As they do this also. That's pretty. Go ride your bike today at 30 miles an hour for three and a half hours, and then just rip off a 500 watt effort for seven minutes and also weigh, like, 70 kilos. And then tell me how that feels. That's what it takes to be in this, in these groups. But let's take a quick break, and
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then I think the biggest problem for the majority of the people is get to 70 exactly.
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Without with being able to develop that power. Yeah, I mean, I. I seriously, I. I would try to drop to, like, 74 kilos, and I just would be so weak, you know, I never. It's. It's very hard to do that, actually.
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Yeah, that's. That's our excuse. If we. If we get too skinny, we're. We're. We're. We're weak. So that's why we don't lose weight.
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You can't just. I think because I, like, I was riding with the guy, the other, like, just did 500 watts for an hour on Zwift, you know, just sat there and did 500 watts for an hour. So you might think, like, oh, that guy could be a World Tour cyclist. Right? It's like, well, he's a little heavy. He'll just lose a little weight. But then as he loses the weight, the power comes down, like in a non linear fashion. And then you're not. You lose everything. So it is tough to be as light as these guys are and as powerful as they are. Yeah, yeah. We'll be right back after this break.
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So stage 14 tomorrow. This is a. This is probably the most critical stage we've had so far for the gc. It's probably not the hardest state there. I think there are like stage 19, the stage we're going to watch together is harder. But this is 133km. So short. It is short, has 4200 meters of climbing in it. And it's five categorized climbs and basically is just going up or down. And they start on a 16 kilometer long climb, descend down, then they do a six kilometer climb at six and a half percent, descend down seven and a half kilometers, at eight percent, descend down, six kilometers at seven percent, descend down, and then they climb up to a ski resort. 16K, 16 and a half K at 7%. The course is kind of funky. It's. It's what you would do on a. They start in Aosta, which is a mountain valley and town in Italy. And it's like what you would do if you're doing a training ride. Like they just go up a mountain, down a mountain, but they go up and then come down the same side, which is unusual for a grand Tour. Probably makes it a little easier logistically. But it's going to be brutal because there's no big. It's not like the Tour de France where you're going through these big valleys in between climbs. It's just going to be one after the other after the other. It's going to be on from the gun, I assume with 133km of racing, I assume GC day. But how do you think this is going to play out and who's going to win?
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Yeah, I think it has to be gc, especially Spencer, because first of all it's a short stage, right? 133 kilometers, 4, 300 meters of elevation, you know, five climbs, three of which are category one climb. So from the beginning, the cat one climb. So there's going to be a break with strong riders that are not in gc. And if somebody's in gc, it's going to be kept close initially by Bahrain, but also Visma is going to control tomorrow. So I think it's going to be, I mean the estimated average speed from the race organization is this is how hard this stage is. It's 32 kilometers per hour average. I think it's going to be a lot faster. But still it's, it's, it's a very hard stage, I think, I mean, I think it's going to be gc, I think for sure. Change of leader tomorrow. I think Jonas is going to be in pink tomorrow. I don't think, I don't think tomorrow Lalio can hold on to the leaders jersey. He probably won't be very far. He's still going to be up there in top three, top five. But yeah, I think tomorrow Jonas is in pink. Little stat Spencer, about tomorrow's finish. It's a hard climb, but they haven't done it very much in the Giro. The last time they did this climb was 1992 and the stage was, I don't remember which stage it was, but it was. So tomorrow is 133. It was almost double the distance. It was 260 kilometer stage. And they did 7 hours 21 minutes over the stage won by Udo Boltz, German writer. And the Giro, I think that Giro was won by Miguel Inderijn. But pretty, pretty. I mean 260 kilometers, we don't have those days.
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Well, we did have a 244 kilometer long stage on stage 7. Too long. I mean too long in my blockhouse. Too long in my opinion. I, I much, I'm very much looking forward to this stage. I think this is, I think this Giro has been a little stuck in the past with some of these stages. This is exciting. This is very well designed stage. I think it's going to be great. Shout out Udo Boltz, by the way, great writer. That's, that's not an easy stage to win. But who, who do you think's going to win? Did you say, Did I miss it?
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I think no.
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I got draftkings pulled up here. You think who wins?
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I think, I think Jonas wins tomorrow.
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C
Okay. I Need to make up for some losses, so I'm gonna put some money on Jonas right now. So on DraftKings, is he.
- [30:27]
B
Is he the favorite?
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C
He is. So he's. But not as much as you think. Kind of interesting. So Jonas Finnegaard, you know, just. I just described where is a breakaway building up time? You know, you would have to be an extremely good climber because you're starting on a 16 kilometer long 7% climb. So to out climb the peloton on 133 kilometer long stage, you got to be fine up that thing. So vinegar's minus 155chone plus 275. Felix G plus 1200 Indrik Moss plus 1600. C rider like that in the breakaway, that. That's one of the only Options I know. Rubio plus 2800. I don't think Rubio is a good enough climber. Pelizarry plus 3000. Pelissari's been sick. Well, Poles plus 3000 time and Arnsman plus 3000 have to win it from the GC group, though. Jai Hindley plus 3000. Plus 4000 probably from the GC group. The only one that I would add in here that I. Eager Bernal plus 8,000. I think he, him and Moss would be the only ones I could imagine winning from the breakaway. Right.
- [31:28]
B
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's going to be difficult for a breakaway. It's a lot of times so different up and down. It's this. Yeah, the. The breakaway doesn't go that much faster than a peloton led by Bahrain and Visma. And I think tomorrow, in my opinion, Visma is going to go for the stage win. By the way, Spencer, we haven't mentioned it, but apparently he's feeling better now. But Jonas has said that he has been sick.
- [31:58]
C
Yeah, I was gonna ask you about this,
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B
you know, so, I mean, I don't know. I mean, you wouldn't say that if it's not true. I think it's. It's, you know, it's easy to say, okay, I've been sick when you're healed, and then you can say, okay, you know what? I've been sick. You know, I'm still here. Bring it on. You know, I'm good again now, but. But there's been a lot of sickness in the peloton. And that could also explain why he was a bit off, you know, like why he didn't do the. A great time trial and why he was not dominant. And, you know, if that's true and he's feeling better now, then it doesn't look good for the rest.
- [32:42]
C
Yeah. Yes. But is this. I, I agree it would explain a lot. Why would he say this even if it is true? Like, what does he have to gain by that?
- [32:52]
B
I don't know. He's bored.
- [32:53]
C
He definitely looks bored. Yeah, he looks bored.
- [32:56]
B
And he says, you know, he jokes in interviews, which is not his usual. So he, he felt, he feels relaxed. I mean, I, I can. He's definitely very relaxed compared to what we normally see from Jonas Winkergaard. So that shows me that he has a lot of confidence and feels, feels good about what's to come.
- [33:14]
C
And who knows what sick means? I mean, does that mean loose stool? Like we don't like a day of stool? Not as firm as he would have preferred. Does it mean a cold? Like even a. Getting a cold in a Grand Tour, I'd imagine would be terrible. But here's my question for you.
- [33:30]
B
It happens all the time.
- [33:32]
C
I mean, I can't imagine being competitive in a GC with the cold. That's.
- [33:38]
B
Oh yeah. I mean there's, there's for sure there's guys in the top 10 or even top five who are sneezing and coughing and for sure.
- [33:44]
C
I mean, Pelizar. He continues to not look great. But here's the question I have for you. So I'm going to bet Jonas Finnegard 2. Minus 155. I think that's a deal. I don't quite get why it's like that. I think he's going to win. I. I need to recover my losses from the last two days, so I'm going heavy on him. But here's the question. So if you look at the futures, he's -1400 to win the whole thing. Terrible value. Like, don't, don't bet on that because what if he breaks his collarbone in Rome? You know, anything could happen. Is there, like this is, is there really a scenario if he wins tomorrow? In my mind, he's winning the whole thing. So instead of betting on him to win the whole thing, shouldn't you just bet on him to win tomorrow? It's the least breakaway friendly mountain stage we have at this race.
- [34:33]
B
Probably. Probably. Yeah, I would say, yeah.
- [34:36]
C
So I mean, when you look at the map, when you look at the profile, you think, oh, maybe in one of these valleys. You look at the map. It's just there's no great terrain.
- [34:45]
B
I mean, the only thing is that, you know, inventor has been quite fortunate actually. They have, they. They haven't had to do a lot of work till now.
- [34:54]
C
Yeah.
- [34:56]
B
But also, you know, for the, for the mountain stages, they're not super strong. You know, they have, they have Kuss and they have Piganzoli and then the others company Arts for the moment has been. I mean, he's strong, obviously, but he hasn't been his usual, like spectacularly strong. Like we saw him in the Tour sometimes in the, in the, in the, in the hilly stages. So it's. So it's not that easy to control.
- [35:28]
C
And how many do they lose in the first climb, you know?
- [35:32]
B
Yeah. So who else? I mean, I mean, they really miss Kelderman, you know, Calderman is key here. Yeah, they lost him unfortunately, after stage three already. But yeah, I mean, that's the only, you know, downside that. But at the same time, you know, when it's always the same discussion. Right. Okay. Say, oh, you know, the team of the leader, they're not so strong. But as the team of the leader, it's like people expect that there's always five riders with you, which is actually makes no sense because it's the team that has to do the most work. So it's kind of logical that they are short on men when, when the final starts the end of the day. If you look at what's going to happen on, on the last climb or the last two climbs, Kus and Piganzoli and Jonas, those three together are normally stronger than any other team. What any other team can, can put next to it. You know, Felix G. Has. What's his name, is it.
- [36:42]
C
It's Gregor Moberger.
- [36:44]
B
Yeah, yeah. And then one other guy. But, you know, they're not as strong as Piganzoli and Kuss. So I'm not overly worried about the collective strength of Fisma. I think they're, I think they're going to be fine.
- [37:01]
C
My only concern, as you say that is are they stronger than Enrich Moss? Are they stronger than Ego Bernal? I. I'm now imagining watching Enrichments survive and win the stage.
- [37:15]
B
Okay, that's. That's true. That doesn't really matter for them, but
- [37:19]
C
that's that actually now I'm more concerned because it doesn't matter for them. What you could imagine them just like Tap, but someone will, if they're going slow, someone will attack them. So they'll, they'll keep it quick. If Vinegar doesn't win the stage, who would you, who would you pick? No one from the GC group, I assume.
- [37:40]
B
I mean, if Vingard doesn't win the stage is because the e there's either a breakaway or he has a bad day. In that case, Felix Gal is the strongest climber behind him. So I think, I mean, Eric Mass is a good, is a good one for tomorrow. He looks, he looks strong, especially on those climbs of tomorrow. Chicone is pretty strong also. Yeah. Is it not too hard for him?
- [38:17]
C
Has he ever won a stage like that? That would be the question. I levy.
- [38:22]
B
I think he won a stage over the Mortirolo in the Giro one year. Yeah, he did. He did. I remember, I remember it vividly. But it was not finished on top. But it was over the Mortirolo, definitely.
- [38:38]
C
Well, well, he did win a summit finish. Stage 2022. He beat Butrago,
- [38:47]
B
was over the Mortirolo. I was not on top of the Morti. They did the Mortilolo and then they went down and then they came to another climb.
- [38:53]
C
This might be another stage. This was at Konyo. This was, that was the first year we did the show together. Yeah, Butranga was good. Okay, well, there's my question answered because that's a 22 kilometer long climb.
- [39:10]
B
Yeah.
- [39:11]
C
All right. Chocone. But yeah. Is Chacone a better climber than Inmas right now?
- [39:19]
B
Eric Mass is a better pure climber. But you could, you could also argue. Was Betiol the best climber in that group? Yeah, he won. I think Chikon is hungry. You know, he's hungry for, for a stage win. And these guys can outperform in Italy. I wouldn't, I wouldn't rule out Chicone for tomorrow.
- [39:41]
C
And he builds up his advantage on Jonas on the first climb or when's he doing that.
- [39:47]
B
Well, he needs to be in the break. He needs to be in a group. I think it's going to be G.C. spencer, G.C. battle.
- [39:56]
C
I have a hard time. This is the worst possible parkours for a breakaway because there's no. You, you have to build up your advantage on the first climb. And it's going to be bananas on that first climb because you can be, I mean, what do you think? Eager Bernal goes in the breakaway, tries to win the stage?
- [40:13]
B
I think so.
- [40:14]
C
Yeah, I think so. And, but then if Eager Bernal goes, you know what's going to happen. We know what's going to happen here. You're going to have, you're going to have two door jumping after him because I don't want them to make up spots in the gc. We've seen this movie.
- [40:26]
B
Yeah.
- [40:27]
C
So, yeah, okay. I, I, I think it's Vinegar. I'm pretty. I'm confident in that. I think whoever wins this wins the Giro. Unless some unforeseen issue happens later, like a crash, a broken collarbone.
- [40:41]
B
But I think tomorrow is Jonas. Jonas day.
- [40:44]
C
I mean, he said in the interview, he never says anything interesting. He said, we've been planning this stage book since before the race started. So that's telling you I want to win the stage.
- [40:55]
B
Yeah.
- [40:55]
C
Before we go, I. I thought that this was vaguely familiar. 2022 Tour de France stage 14 Mon Mond. Mond. Remember that? It's like this awesome finish on the Runway. Yeah.
- [41:10]
B
On the airport.
- [41:11]
C
Yeah. So Michael Matthews wins over Alberto Betial because he let Betial bake on that climb and then pushed right past him before the top of the climb and then held him off going into the finish. Kind of a beautiful symmetry there. Then Betty, all years later, four years later, wins a stage in exactly the same way, but the roles are reversed.
- [41:32]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [41:34]
C
Well, Johan. But we'll be back tomorrow to break down this hopefully exciting stage. I think it's going to be exciting. I. This is a very interesting course they've. They've drawn up. I'm excited to see how it plays out. And we'll break it down tomorrow right after the stage.
- [41:47]
B
Okay, Spencer, Speak soon.
- [41:48]
C
All right. See you soon.
- [41:55]
A
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