Tour de France 2025 Stage 2 | THEMOVE

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THEMOVE Podcast Summary: Tour de France 2025 Stage 2

Episode Title: Tour de France 2025 Stage 2 | THEMOVE
Release Date: July 6, 2025
Host: Lance Armstrong
Guests: George Hincapie, Sir Bradley Wiggins

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Introduction to Stage Two

In this episode, Lance Armstrong, alongside cycling veterans George Hincapie and Sir Bradley Wiggins, delves deep into the events of Stage Two of the Tour de France 2025. The discussion offers a comprehensive analysis of the race dynamics, key performances, and the evolving strategies within the modern peloton.

Stage Two Overview and Key Performances

Matthew van der Poel's Dominant Victory Matthew van der Poel emerged as the standout performer, securing an impressive victory in Stage Two. The panel commends his strategic prowess and exceptional conditioning.

• Lance Armstrong (00:10): "And actually he probably rode the perfect race today."
• Sir Bradley Wiggins (06:36): "It's just constantly up and down. That's a lot."

Jonas and Tade's Strategic Play Jonas (likely Jonas Vingegaard) and Tade (likely Mathieu van der Poel) showcased tactical racing, with significant emphasis on energy conservation and strategic attacks.

• Sir Bradley Wiggins (07:36): "Been a minute since we saw him at the front of a bike race."
• George Hincapie (12:42): "And actually he probably rode the perfect race today."

Modern Peloton Dynamics

The trio highlights a significant shift in how today's peloton races compared to past decades. Modern riders exhibit relentless aggression, racing "full gas" from the outset, which contrasts sharply with the more measured approaches of previous generations.

• Lance Armstrong (08:14): "This just highlights what you guys talked about in the preview show or really stressed in the preview show is that this, this modern peloton, they raced completely different."
• Sir Bradley Wiggins (12:04): "And then the games change. I mean, these guys are not saving energy the way we did back in the day."

Importance of Intermediate Sprints and Green Jersey Competition

The discussion underscores the heightened significance of intermediate sprints due to the revamped points system, which now offers points comparable to those at the finish line. This shift has intensified competition for the green jersey, compelling riders to vie for points throughout the race rather than conserving energy for the finale.

• George Hincapie (10:28): "Mark Cavendish always saying that when they changed the point system for the intermediate sprints a couple of 10 years ago... you have to go for them now."
• Sir Bradley Wiggins (11:45): "The amount of points that are available on those intermediate sprints are similar to the points that are available at the finish line."

Technical Challenges and Bike Innovations

The panel discusses the increasing technical intricacies of modern racing bikes, such as the transition to disc brakes, which have introduced new mechanical challenges. These advancements, while aimed at improving performance, have also led to a rise in mechanical mishaps during races.

• Lance Armstrong (14:05): "Another thing that's just over these couple days... what's your take on the bikes?"
• Sir Bradley Wiggins (15:10): "I feel like there's a lot more mechanicals this year... making it more susceptible to mishaps."

Rider Safety and Race Conditions

Safety remains a paramount concern, especially with the unpredictable nature of wind and challenging road conditions. The riders express the inherent dangers of racing at high speeds amidst road furniture and adverse weather, emphasizing the split-second decisions that can avert or cause crashes.

• Sir Bradley Wiggins (31:38): "It's some of the most tenseful thing you can go through in professional cycling."
• George Hincapie (32:43): "Crazy to think back then. I mean, you won your first stage in the Tour, no helmet."

Fan Interaction and Community Highlights

The episode also features heartwarming interactions with listeners, including a family photo from New Zealand highlighting the show's global reach and personal connections within the cycling community.

• Lance Armstrong (41:14): "They are massive cycling fans that have been listening since Lance started the show."

Preview of Stage Three

Looking ahead, the hosts provide insights into Stage Three, characterized by its mix of flat and lumpy terrains with significant wind challenges. They discuss the potential impact of wind direction on race strategies and the heightened risk of crashes due to rapid bunching and course layout.

• Lance Armstrong (36:16): "The wind is projected to be straight out of the north... stage is pretty dangerous directional."
• Sir Bradley Wiggins (37:46): "Yep."

Trivia and Listener Engagement

Towards the end, the hosts engage listeners with trivia questions related to Tour de France history, fostering a sense of community and encouraging audience participation.

• George Hincapie (40:23): "Question for stage two. What was the distance of the longest ever Tour?"

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with reflections on the day's race, expressions of excitement for upcoming stages, and appreciation for the dedicated fanbase supporting the show.

• Lance Armstrong (42:38): "This has been fun. Thank you, boys. We look forward to being back."

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Notable Quotes:

• George Hincapie (06:23): "Van der Poel was just, I mean, he is so special."
• Sir Bradley Wiggins (12:04): "Every day counts."
• Lance Armstrong (14:05): "What do you reckon, Bradley?"
• George Hincapie (22:00): "Just Ask."

Timestamp Highlights:

• 00:00 - 02:33: Introduction and initial banter about Stage Two and guest performances.
• 06:23 - 07:36: Analysis of Matthew van der Poel’s performance.
• 08:14 - 12:16: Discussion on modern peloton dynamics and intermediate sprints.
• 14:05 - 16:22: Technical aspects and bike challenges.
• 31:38 - 32:35: Rider safety reflections.
• 36:16 - 39:10: Preview and analysis of Stage Three.
• 40:22 - 41:31: Trivia and fan interactions.
• 42:38 - 42:53: Closing remarks.

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This detailed summary encapsulates the critical discussions and insights shared by Lance Armstrong, George Hincapie, and Sir Bradley Wiggins on Stage Two of the Tour de France 2025. From in-depth race analysis to commentary on technical advancements and rider safety, the episode offers listeners a comprehensive insider’s perspective on one of cycling’s most prestigious events.

Transcript

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Going back to your point on Tade, isn't it funny how the expectation of us now on him is. We're surprised he didn't attack.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

And actually he probably rode the perfect race today.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I agree. Saved energy and almost won the stage.

[Lance Armstrong]

And we are back. Welcome back to the Move podcast. Lance Armstrong. Let's mix it up. Joined by George, Jean, Cappy. All the way to the left and right here in the middle, Sir Bradley Wiggins. Talking about stage two of the Tour de France. And of course, each and every day brought to you by ketoneiq. Take your shot, Alain. Where'd we go on stage two. Stage two. From Laurent Plank to Boulon Mer. From Lauren Planc to Boulon Sur Mer. It just never gets old.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

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[George Hincapie]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

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[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[George Hincapie]

Teddy finished second, didn't he? Van der Poel dominant display, absolute dominance from the front. Longest stage of the race this year as well. It's not the longest stage of the Tour de France ever. Do you know what the longest stage ever was? 1926, 99 years ago, from Bayonne to Luchon, they started at 2am the winner's time was 17 hours. The last rider that day, Henri Tessier, finished in 22 hours. So a little bit different today, but nonetheless the longest stage of this year's race won by arguably the best classics rider in the world.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's right. He's always on, seemingly. And it wasn't that many years ago where we. And we had this almost debate with Johan to comparing Vanderpool and Wild Van Aert. And as we went around the horn, I mean, myself included, thought that pound for pound, Wild Van Aert was a better rider. He was having, I mean, he was exceptional in those years, but Van der Poel is just, I mean, he is so special.

[George Hincapie]

He's very special.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I think like we all mentioned, he was definitely the clear favorite today. I thought there was some really standout performances by guys like, like Vacalon, Julian Alaphilippe there at the finish making some really aggressive moves, still finishing fifth place.

[Lance Armstrong]

Been a minute since we saw him at the front of a bike race.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

And two out of. We only have five Americans in this Tour de France and we have two of them in the first group of 26 guys. Nielsen palace and Matteo Jurgensen, who is also really strong today, played a key factor there, making some pace there for Jonas. I think a lot of people were surprised to not see Taje attack At all on those climbs. What do you guys think? He doesn't need to be attacking. Jonas was attacking. I didn't love Jonas's attack. Like right before downhill, nobody's going to let him roll off. Right before downhill, I felt like he should have maybe held back there a bit, but he still finished third place right up there with the titans of the sport. So it was a great, super exciting stage.

[Lance Armstrong]

I think it just highlights what you guys talked about in the preview show or really stressed in the preview show is that this, this modern peloton, they raced completely different. I mean, look how many guys. I mean, there was already a selection over a category three on day two of the Tour. That never would have happened 10, 20, 30, 50 years ago. Right. They're showing up to race for three weeks straight. And then as you saw at the end, I mean, what, 20 riders. I mean, it's not that hard of a stage. Now, having said that, if for you sort of strava nerds out there and mat nerds and elevation or just 8,000ft of climbing. So not easy. It's just constantly up and down. That's a lot. I don't ever want to go do a bike ride with 8,000ft. But they just race totally different ways.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Just to back up that thing.

[Lance Armstrong]

Every day counts.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

If you want to go back in the stage, rewind till, what was it, 25k to go or Spencer, when would they hit the first climb? The lead out for the first climb was as if they were going into the Coromont in Flanders, the Ehrenberg in Roubaix, Rochain, Falcon, however you say it in Liege, Baston, Liege. I mean, it was a full gas sprint lead out. Guys like Campernaz and all these guys are doing a full gas sprint leadout, which, you know, typically, yeah, It's a category three climb. 30 some odd K to go to the finish. Not a huge deal. This was like all or nothing. Like they needed their guys to be in the front or otherwise they could lose a shot of winning the Tour de France on stage two on a relatively insignificant climb.

[Lance Armstrong]

Sierra, Bradley, we saw a little bit of. And it was interesting watching the peacock coverage. They had to go back and kind of find the footage of the drama. There was some tension and drama in the intermediate sprint, which is another thing that I'm still so surprised that they take so seriously. I would think you just save all that energy for the final. And there's enough points and they're weighted enough towards the end of the race that who cares about the intermittent sprint they raced for those. You had the drama with Jonathan Milan, Pinon Girmet, the initial, you know, recap of it or a highlight of it, we didn't see anything. You have to go further back. There was some quacking.

[George Hincapie]

There was. I remember Mark Cavendish always saying that when they changed the point system for the intermediate sprints a couple of 10 years ago, I think it was 2012 tour, he said, you have to go for them now.

[Lance Armstrong]

Interesting.

[George Hincapie]

Because of the points that are available and if you don't go for them, you eliminate yourself from the green jersey competition. So that's why they're going for them. But yeah, we, we watched the sprint. Not much seemed to happen in the sprint. We could understand why Milan was gesticulating, but when we did see the footage further back, it did look as if Milan was trying to push Binyam Gamay off of his own team.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's right.

[George Hincapie]

And then Milan lost the sprint to whoever he lost it to, but he got beat by Binyam and then didn't seem very happy over it. But he lay.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

What a finish. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like you said, did not seem very happy from what we saw. Bingham was just holding his line behind his teammates. Didn't seem to do anything wrong in our opinion.

[Lance Armstrong]

And so back to the cab point, because that's really fascinating because it did. Something changed where all of a sudden they became a priority for the teams and the sprinters teams and the green jersey contenders. I mean, I guess they're not. I mean, maybe these sprints just take nothing out of them or take so little out of them that they don't mind doing. I would probably wimp out and say, no, I'm going to save my energy, but I think that's a good development.

[George Hincapie]

By the way, the amount of points that are available on those intermediate sprints are similar to the points that are available at the finish line. And if you can't guarantee you're going to be there at the finish to contend the sprint for the points as we saw Tade and Jonas and van der Poel, if you're thinking of green jersey in three weeks time, you need to be racking up points, as many as possible, wherever possible.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

And then the games change. I mean, these guys are not saving energy the way we did back in the day. I mean, they're racing full gas from kilometer zero. They're going for these point sprints like it's a finish line sprint.

[George Hincapie]

They're, they're going 10, 15k out as well.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I Mean, it's. It's nuts. I mean, the top GC guys are up there battling it out for the. The victory today. Usually didn't see that. I mean, you guys never did that. If you made it. If y' all were in that group today, you'd been like, I'm good, I'm chilling.

[Lance Armstrong]

I would have been happy to finish exactly as Bradley says, zero time.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

And going back to your point on Tade, isn't it funny how the expectation of us now on him is. We're surprised he didn't attack.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

And actually he probably rode the perfect race today.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I agree. Saved energy and almost won the stage.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, another thing that we did not mention in the preview show, and this does change from year to year, is time bonuses at the finish line. Right. And frankly, I was unclear, like a lot of things, what the situation was for 20, 25. So there will be daily time bonuses. 10, 6 and 4. So as if you watch the finish today. So today got six seconds, right? He got second on stage. He got six. Obviously Van der Poel gets 10 seconds. That's not going to change his destiny when three weeks are said and done, but every day, including the mountain stages.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Is what I'm hearing.

[Lance Armstrong]

Right. So that start. You start to do that math. Right. Six here, a four there, a 10 there.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, it's a big deal.

[Lance Armstrong]

It starts to. Those are real seconds.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, absolutely real seconds. Real effort out there today. I think I didn't really see much differences today between Jonas and Taje.

[George Hincapie]

No.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Jonas, in fact, got a little bumped out of the wheel with 200 meters to go. Had to spend some energy to get back on Jonas's wheel right before van der Poel took off. The fact that they were able to sort of pull away from him, I don't think was a big deal just because of that extra move that Jonas had to make there in the finish. So for me, they're still head to head.

[Lance Armstrong]

I agree with that. I agree with that. I think they looking something about Jonas. I don't think he's. Well, we said it earlier a few days ago. I mean, even he looks good. That's my takeaway. Another thing that's just over these couple days and I just have to wonder if the bikes. And we see so much coverage of the bikes from a technical standpoint, I start to say there's so much evolution in cycling when there really isn't. But within the confinements of the UCI regulations, there's quite a bit of evolution here. But you're starting to See, just these random mechanicals, technicals, drop chains. Yesterday we saw. And of course, this can happen, you know, a derailleur come off the pulley. You know, there's just. Are we seeing. Are the bikes getting so finicky and special that we're just going to start to see. Most of the time, it doesn't matter until it does.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. I feel like there's a lot more mechanicals this year, and who knows whether it's they're trying to shave as much weight off as possible or making it as aero as possible and making it more subjected to mishaps that we've been seeing in the last two days.

[Lance Armstrong]

What do you reckon, Bradley?

[George Hincapie]

Well, they're finely tuned bikes, aren't they? I would hope they're akin to. You watch Formula One now and how technical the cars are. And the smallest problem can cause a mishap. And we're seeing that with the bikes now as well. We saw. Is it Adam Yates having an issue in the last sort of 30k and now, obviously the done thing is to change bikes because obviously the speed and timing it takes to change wheels and stuff, but. Well, because.

[Lance Armstrong]

You mean with the disc brakes.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, the disc brakes.

[Lance Armstrong]

There's no longer a quick release. No.

[George Hincapie]

So normally you had to change your wheel out before the car got there.

[Lance Armstrong]

The mechanic has to come with almost. It's a modified drill that has the Allen key in it. They can do it quickly, but, I mean, this is stuff you're. You're cutting off an Allen key and putting it in a drill that you buy down at Home Depot. That's what they're using to get otherwise. Yeah, like you said, the bike change.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Speaking of the Yates brothers, they have not had a great start to the Tour de France. We saw them two years ago getting first and second in the first stage, winning the Giro this year. These guys are key players for their respective leaders and they're way behind right now.

[Lance Armstrong]

You know, I did. As I don't read a whole lot of news out there in the cycling world, a little more leading up to the Tour, I feel like I should maybe try to learn a little bit, get up to speed, get into the present. I saw this headline the other day, and this is with regards to Matthew van der Poel, since he did win the stage today. And I thought of you, George. This is so good. I guess he did some partnership with a private jet company. Right. AKA a jizzy company. Right. And then they have a picture of him sitting in the jizzy and he got all this shit for it. I was saying, oh, you know, take the train.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, like what?

[Lance Armstrong]

Excuse me.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, well, he. I mean, he commented on the fact that, like, look, he trains.

[Lance Armstrong]

Wait, so you saw the jizzy ad?

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

I saw the jizzy ad.

[Lance Armstrong]

And you saw the flak he got for it.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

I saw the flak.

[Lance Armstrong]

And you were going to. You're too close. Too close to the. To the jizzy sphere to bring it up. A couple slappers like Bradley and I have to bring it up.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, that's coming from you, but it's.

[Lance Armstrong]

A little too close to. Okay, well, anyways, he got criticized for this, for the jizzy endorsement. What does cycling come to? You should all have jizzies.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, they spend so much investment in their sleep, their training, their nutrition. I mean, it's just part of their overall health and, you know, training, if you can do it. I mean, of course we're gonna get health there too, after this, but we don't care. We don't care.

[Lance Armstrong]

God forbid we got a new viewer.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

If somebody wants to fly me home from Aspen to Greenville, Monday the 28th, I'll be available.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, Lord, it happens. You know, God forbid we have somebody new to the show, I imagine. Day one, dude, I tuned in. These guys are talking about jizz and jizzies. I mean, they would have no idea. No, no, this is, this is. This goes way back, folks. And this. Private jets are jizzies. Motor yachts are yizzies. This is George's world.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yep.

[Lance Armstrong]

Bradley and I are on the train. That's right. Just chilling. Commoners.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

But anyhow, I was shocked. Anyways, whatever. But he didn't seem to care today.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

No, I mean, what an incredible finish. And took the bull by the horns. You know, race super aggressively. When you people. I'm not sure if people quite understand and. Or appreciate, for that matter. You're sitting at the front of that peloton with 5, 600 meters to go. You don't even think about getting on a wheel. You're in the front going, you know what? I'm going to lead this out from the front and nobody's going to beat me. The amount of confidence he displayed in that finish, super impressive. And I believe it's not going to be the last win we see from Matteo.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. You know what else is? If you think back to the history or the evolution of this team, Alpus and Phoenix.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Right.

[Lance Armstrong]

This was a small team. Now, the trajectory of that team, for whatever reason, he was aligned and he was loyal to that. It was a very small team. It was a cyclocross team. Started very small. He stayed loyal. He never left that team. You can imagine the offers he would have had. This is. Now look at this. Think about it. And I bring this up because we've had two stages. They're two for two. Right. Imagine the trajectory or the story of that team if Matthew Vanderpool doesn't align there and stay loyal. Like, this is not a team we're talking about. It changed everything.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

No, I mean, they can go home today and be happy, of course, with their Tour de France. I mean, the last time we saw thanks to Spencer, but the last time we saw yellow jersey change hands from teammate to teammates, it was 2017. Garen Thomas gets it early on, I think, in the prologue, and then Chris Froome gets it in stage five. So that was the last time we saw the yellow jersey being traded off to another teammate.

[Lance Armstrong]

And then before that, did. Did we. Did Victor Hugo and I trade it 2003?

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Lance Armstrong]

See, I'm not. I don't forget everything.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. And looking at this profile, I mean, well, we got the time trial coming up in three days, but Vanderpoel can keep the jersey at least for another two, three days.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. Especially with the selection. And we said there were significant time.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Gaps and we saw that.

[Lance Armstrong]

Now you're starting to see people that will just never get the jersey.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

And we talk about Phillipson obviously winning yesterday, Vanderpoel winning today, but we're not talking about his team. His team was at the front all day today in a super technical, windy stage.

[Lance Armstrong]

I mean, but don't you have to be him and you won the stage yesterday and he's the favorite today.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

We also saw the teams that missed out yesterday. Red Bull, they were all on the front. They got a licking last night from their directors, I would say, like, what the hell happened to you guys? We saw it today. They were all really aggressive. Mosca at the front. But Primo still missed that first selection, which was very surprised. We were all very surprised to see that he came back, finished in the first group. But I don't know. That was strange to not see him in there.

[Lance Armstrong]

I got a licking on the. Busy.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

No, busy.

[Lance Armstrong]

You see that? Bradley's like, wait, what did I sign up for? Yeah, these idiots in America.

[George Hincapie]

I don't understand all the terminology.

[Lance Armstrong]

I understand.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

We don't understand yours either at times.

[George Hincapie]

Well, I know that.

[Lance Armstrong]

Ask. I tell you what, when all else fails, just ask me.

[George Hincapie]

Just Ask.

[Lance Armstrong]

All right, well, we are about to take a commercial break for our friends over at Peacock, which, by the way, is so cool. Be representing. Yeah, I got my wife at home watching the race I loved. I came home yesterday and she's like, all right. Well, yeah, she's like your favorite person in the world, huh? Honey, this is Hollywood. Just say that stuff like, baby, you know.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Who were you referring to yesterday as your me? Oh, you. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

I was like, baby, you know? Anyways, we'll be right back. Quick break for Peacock. All right, welcome back, everybody. It's an adjustment, isn't Is. It's just different.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

I kind of like. It allows us to, like, regroup, give each other shit, figure out the plan.

[Lance Armstrong]

Speaking of regrouping, I have a feeling I'm going to need to regroup, because as we lead into these shows, we make some notes. Nobody can see it. It's like a whiteboard right there. Anytime it says any kind of surprise, especially a George surprise, I'm like, oh, no.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. No, I think this one was kind of played up a bit. But I wanted to mention some of the new standings. Lance's favorite jersey in the Tour de France is now being worn by Taje, the best climber in the Tour de France.

[Lance Armstrong]

Okay. All right, I can get behind that.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

The jersey is rightfully on the. On the back of the best climber in the world. So, interestingly enough, another fact that I wanted to point out. Can you guys pull up this picture? Is the man who hates the jersey actually wore the jersey, the Tour de France, in 2005.

[Lance Armstrong]

Ah, that's beautiful.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Johan did not even know this. I mean, is our team starting to slip a little bit here? Because I feel like this is a. No, that was. That was fact.

[Lance Armstrong]

That is not the Tour de France.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

That's Tour de Laner.

[George Hincapie]

Tour Lavenier.

[Lance Armstrong]

Absolutely.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Now you wore it, but look how proud you are wearing that thing.

[George Hincapie]

He loved it.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Is that. Is that a blue steel look or is that. Which one is that? Magnum, how you doing? I don't so bad. Check me out. Yeah, there we have it. You've worn the Kom.

[Lance Armstrong]

I mean, it was embarrassing to be reminded and talk about and. But to see it, it's just a whole nother. God.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

So why was Ocha the Tour de Avenira? I guess that was a semi pro race.

[Lance Armstrong]

No, I thought it was 1992. It was 92. We raced his Motorola in 92.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Oh, okay. So was that before the Olympics or after the Olympics?

[Lance Armstrong]

After.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

After the Olympic you won San Sebastian after that?

[Lance Armstrong]

No, second before that.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Before that.

[Lance Armstrong]

I won San Sebastian. No, I didn't win San Sebastian. I got last. As a matter of fact, I didn't. I did the opposite of winning. Yeah, I got last in San Sebastian, second in Zurich, and then a week later got second in Zurich.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

And then you went to Dora Avenir.

[George Hincapie]

No, that was a year off to 93.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Oh, 93, that's right.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's somewhere in there.

[George Hincapie]

Somewhere in there.

[Lance Armstrong]

This is a long time ago.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, right.

[Lance Armstrong]

Think about this, right?

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

This is if our man, the encyclopedia here gets stumped. You know, it was a long time ago, but you did just bust out the longest stage of the Tour de France, which is when? 19. What?

[George Hincapie]

1926.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

1926.

[George Hincapie]

And also on the yellow jersey, 1994 Tour de France. Johan Rousseau, MG, GBMG, changed with Flavio Vanzella. After the UK stages, the same team handed the yellow jersey over.

[Lance Armstrong]

Did you just think of that?

[George Hincapie]

I remembered it and I looked it up on Wikipedia.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Okay.

[George Hincapie]

On my Google.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's interesting. I want to bring in Spencer Martin real quick because of course, Spencer and Johan have their daily sports betting show called Outcomes. And if you don't bet on sports, fine. It's still interesting. I'm sure they cover a lot of race dynamics, tactics, certainly predictions. But in summary, you have each pick a favorite for the following day. Sounds like yesterday they picked also a wild card, which would have been. We can break it all down. Spencer, are you online there? Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Can you guys hear me?

[Lance Armstrong]

Loud and clear. I mean, you are like seven feet from us, but you sound like you're sitting right here. So let's walk, just walk the listener through this. And by the way, I mean, again, if you're not into it, cool, go do something else for a second. But if you are, and if you. Certainly here in the us, if you do live in a state where sports betting is allowed, you could download all the apps and it's cool. I mean, cycling, it's out there. I mean, you could pretty much bet on everything. But they have so many options. They have obviously picks for the stage win, they have prop bets, et cetera, et cetera. Anyhow, so yesterday, walk us through yesterday, you had. You picked Vanderpool, correct?

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, I had Matthew Vanderpool. I mean, I watched. I didn't watch him. I sat behind this curtain and heard George so confidently, just stop the show. Say, guys, what are we talking about? Matthew Vanderpoel is winning the stage. I went right to DraftKings, emptied my account on Matthew Vanderpoel at +180. And if you don't. So if you don't like, that could be nonsense. Let's say a writer is plus 100 to win. That means if you bet $100, you'll return $200. You get $100 of profit. The implied odds there would be a 50% chance of winning with Van der Poel at 180, that's almost tripling your money. And the implied odds would be about 35%. If you think van der Poel had a greater than 35% chance of winning, you should bet on him. I thought he had a far greater chance than that. I bet on him. My partner, Johan Berniel bet on Tadipagar at plus 400. Think about that. You bet 100, you're getting 500 back on Tadepegachar to win an uphill finish. Pretty not a bad decision. You rarely see Pugach at that point.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

As they say in Talladega Knights.

[Lance Armstrong]

Go ahead. What do they say?

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

If you ain't first, you're last. Sorry, Johan.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, you could. But if you wanted to, you could bet on him to finish on the podium if you really want to get deep into it. But the one we really want to talk about, Kevin Vauclan.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yes, this is where it gets interesting.

[Spencer Martin]

So he was priced, and I was surprised by this, he was priced at plus 8,000. So that means if you bet $20 on him, you're getting $1,620 back for a profit of $1,600. And he won stage two of last year's Tour. He was second at Tour of Switzer. George, I'm sure you remember we did that, the episode on it. We thought, this guy is in shape. He's very good at these type of stages. I was shocked. He was at plus $8,000. He was in the front group. We were losing our minds. We thought he might win and really we thought that he would attack. And this is what happened. But Joel made it just too good at his job. And the favorites, Jonas and Tade, would look at each other and let a group go. People were a little too frosty there. That didn't happen. I mean, I was actually surprised. Like Mateo, we haven't talked about him much on the show. Matteo Jorgensen, he was plus 12,000 to win the stage. And he looks good up there.

[Lance Armstrong]

And back to backlogs. It feels like he burned some matches 5-10km before that to still get what, fourth or fifth on the stage? I mean, It's a perfect finish for him. So here's a question, just back to outcomes, and it's you and Johan. Do you guys ever. Or what's Yalls rules? Like, are you allowed to pick the same person or do you intentionally try to pick two separate people? Because that could be confusing. Like, if you both overwhelmingly feel about a pick, then you should pick the same one.

[Spencer Martin]

We try not to. I mean, just for entertainment purposes. But, like, for example, at the start of this race, I didn't feel like it would be. Like it would be violating my fiduciary duty to not recommend betting on Tati Pigachar to win the race. So we both picked Pugachar. We try not to do it, but sometimes in extreme cases, we do. I mean, sometimes too. Like, what Was that? Stage 20 of the 2023 Giro. I'm sure we all remember this. It was Primoz Raglich, Garrett Thomas, two favorites for the stage. They were. Let's say they were both plus 200. I was certain that one of the two would win, so I bet a lot of money on both of them to win win. And I recommended it on the show and I thought it was kind of like a free money machine. And then, of course, one of them won. Roglic did drop his chain, which I was freaking out about at the time, but it ended up working out.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. And I love the wild card picks. Well, that's that.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Spencer, what do you think about Roglic not making that first split today?

[Spencer Martin]

George, this is not. I mean, I love Primus Roglic, probably. Personally, my favorite writer. He's getting up there in age. He's nearing my age. He's closing in on me. But this is not the first time we've seen him, like, in the first week of the Tour de France, not being always on the back foot. Remember last year, like stage four on the Golibier, like, he had to chase back on on the descent. It just. I don't know. And we were talking during the stage. He said after the stage yesterday that they were napping and that's why they got caught out. But we all knew these crosswinds were coming. I don't know. It doesn't bode well for his chances of winning. And then also, did you see his teammate? Florian Lipowitz seemed to be the one.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Well, maybe I'm thinking perhaps, you know, because of these crashes the last few years at Tour de France, he's maybe just a little bit conservative, maybe trying to stay away from the. The chaos and maybe that's why he's missing those initial splits. So I'm not ruling him out. I can get why he would be so nervous. And by the way, I want to point out to the viewers, when you see the overhead shot, the helicopter over the peloton, and everybody's, you know, side to side, it doesn't look that fast. It's not strung out. I can assure you that is some of the most tenseful thing you can go through in professional cycling. At any moment, you can be hitting the deck because you don't know what the guy next to you is doing. And they're going faster and faster. It's all spread out. So typically, you think maybe not that hard, but it is the scariest thing inside.

[Lance Armstrong]

Road furniture.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Road furniture, all that stuff. I mean. Yeah, it's crazy. And the guys are even. They're texting me right now saying how scary it actually is.

[Lance Armstrong]

The guys from the Peloton.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, My sources.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's sick.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

One of the quotes is like, constantly seeing your. Your life flash between your eyes. I mean, it's that scary. And it's those moments when the viewers are like, oh, it looks pretty chill. They're all spread out. No, no, I can show you that.

[Lance Armstrong]

You got scary in the races, Bradley. Yeah, yeah. I mean, people ask me. It's actually a great question, people. I get a few questions a lot. One of which, probably one of the most common questions is, what's the fastest, fastest you've ever gone on a downhill? And I think that answer just shocks people and then they immediately, you know, when they hear the answer, they say, well, were you scared? And I tell them I was terrified. It's not like you're watching robots out there that don't get scared. I mean, you were scared all the time. Yeah, yeah.

[George Hincapie]

I think the older I got, thank God. The older I got, the scarier it got.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, that's right.

[George Hincapie]

I think when you're young and youthful, you don't think of the risks and that. We were talking last night, weren't we, about you, you. I said, how many Paris Roubaix did you do without a helmet, George?

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

I know, like 10.

[George Hincapie]

Crazy to think back then. I mean, you won your first stage in the Tour, no helmet.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

That's right.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, that one. Yeah. Yeah, Spencer, thanks for that. And we'll look for the show today.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

I have an update also. That race that you were in, the KOM jersey, was actually the tour of the European Community, 1992. Thank you, Johan. And was also won by Johan Brunel in 1990. So another fact that you guys did.

[George Hincapie]

Not which became the Tour de l'. Avenue.

[Lance Armstrong]

I think it was a pause on the tour level because now don't they have Tour Len whatever Tour Laminar Tour of the future as it's translated. We want to talk about tomorrow's stage, but before we do, today's show, also brought to you by. And they are, as I said at the top of the show, our presenting sponsor each and every day. Ketone iq, take your shot. You gonna have one?

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[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, we started in Dunkirk. What year was that, Mr. Wiggins?

[George Hincapie]

Dunkirk was 2001.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

2001.

[George Hincapie]

Where Francis Moreau won.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

We had a very bad reception there at the team presentation because we left out our local Dunkirk.

[Lance Armstrong]

We didn't pick. You know what, Vassel. Let me. Let me rephrase this. Johan didn't pick. They were booing us, throwing at us.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah. They were not happy.

[Lance Armstrong]

We were like, wait, we're not allowed to say that. Beep, beep, boy.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, that was. And you know what? We. If you remember correctly, there's some love, Johan. It looks like a flat stage, but it's windy. Open Moncasol is like no joke either.

[Lance Armstrong]

And you were debating or curious if the side that they're going up is cobbled. I feel like we would have read about that.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Or about that. I just asked Johan.

[George Hincapie]

A lot of these roads, though, are from Paris, Roubaix. We go through Orchy, which is of course the sector from Roubaix. We don't do the sector of cobbles in or she, but Valencia and all this area. So it's all small twisting lefts and rights.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

And you know how I knew the section of or she was coming?

[George Hincapie]

It was next to the motorway, wasn't it?

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Next to the motorway. What else?

[George Hincapie]

The big roundabout before you came in.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

What else? The Mickey D's, McDonald's, baby Americana coming in one of the hardest sections, roubaix, there's the McDonald's. And I go, I'm hitting me a hamburger after this race. No matter what. Always remember that. True story.

[Lance Armstrong]

It looks. I always love looking at the weather. Just my little own Troy Kimmel moment. The rain appears to be stopping before the stage start. However, the wind does appear to be serious. Right. And I have to go look at the map. But out of the north, gusts of up to 34 miles an hour. I do know the stage is pretty dangerous directional if you look at stage map. So yeah, it's, it's, it's.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

And it is cobbled. Johan said so it is okay. It's not horrible. Cobbles, but still it's brick clinkers that close to the finish. I remember the climb. I mean there could be some damage. Spencer, Johan, what do you guys think?

[Spencer Martin]

I don't know.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, Johan's not on here, but.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, well, he can. He's been texting me, so I'd like to know what he thinks because.

[Lance Armstrong]

Spencer, thoughts?

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

If I remember correctly, it was kind of tough.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, I think it's a bunch sprint. I don't know if we're going to see it. I think it's going to be tough. But think about these sprinters like Jasper Phillips and Jonathan. These guys are classics racers.

[George Hincapie]

Hey, if Jasper Phillips and wins. When was the last time a team won three stages in a row in the first week of the Tour? Certainly the start of the Tour.

[Lance Armstrong]

You know, it's. It's a great question. I'm not sure why you're looking at me, because I have no idea, Bradley.

[Spencer Martin]

I don't think any non national team has ever won the first two stages before. I don't ever recall that happening or seeing it in my history books that I read every night.

[Lance Armstrong]

Now another thing, as I stare at the map, because the wind is projected to be straight out of the north, this would neutralize the race. Sort of halfway through the race, the route turns due north. It's north all the way. So we all know what that means.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

What also happens is yes, in a way neutralizes the race, but in many ways it makes it much more dangerous because the riders are able to bunch up quicker, they're able to come up from behind easier. Makes much more prone to crashes, unfortunately.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's right, that's right. Before we go, a couple more things. The Bentam Daily Trivia. Right. So yesterday the question was about how many times the Tour de France has, has stayed, has taken place within the country, right? 17. That doesn't seem right. 17 times. Does that seem right? The answer is 17 times. Question for stage two. That's today's question for the Ventum Daily Trivia. What was the distance of the longest ever Tour? Now you earlier said the longest stage in history. Now we're talking about the longest ever Tour.

[George Hincapie]

That's good.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

That's a good one.

[Lance Armstrong]

And we know it had to be a while ago, right? They've just gone shorter and shorter and I think today is a good represent representation of that. Actually like longest stage of the tour, 210km. Back in the day we would have been like, awesome. We're doing 250, 260. Everybody's like, fuck Whoops. I said it. Oops. Do we. Do we. Do we have to ride that?

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Long before you know it, I'm gonna be the only one on TikTok and NBC. I'm gonna have my own show.

[Lance Armstrong]

Don't say the answer.

[George Hincapie]

Okay, but look at that.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, it was a long hint for the listener. It was a long time ago. Okay, and then, last thing before we let y' all go, we got a fun photo here sent in from some fans. They saw Bradley's shirt yesterday. Look at. Look at the guys and gals here.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

I love it.

[Lance Armstrong]

This is a family pic sent in by Matt at the Hobbiton in New Zealand. Now, I didn't watch any. Any of these movies, but that's. It's apparently a famous bridge and house, whatever that you said.

[George Hincapie]

The Hobbit. The Hobbit.

[Lance Armstrong]

The Hobbit. Anyways, a family pick at the Hobbiton and new Uncle Dave, who's the tall one in the middle, is currently going through cancer treatment and is winning. So go get him, Dave. Dave Strong. They are massive cycling fans that have been listening since Lance started the show. And they especially listen now that it's no longer just Lance. Thank you, boys. Now go back to the picture. I love the family. Right, everybody, Let me talk about what's going on with the little kid, three from the right. I mean, did he not. The poor kid didn't get the memo.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

I think he's just.

[Lance Armstrong]

I mean, there's always. I always thought this was bullshit. Like the black sheep of the femme.

[George Hincapie]

He obviously doesn't have a T shirt, because if you notice a T shirt under his jumper, he has a T shirt.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

It's a different color.

[George Hincapie]

It's a darker blue.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's a darker blue. So for Matt and Uncle Dave, we want to know what's up with the kid. Third from right.

[George Hincapie]

He's got one eye as well.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh.

[Sir Bradley Wiggins]

Oh, man. We digress. Tomorrow is going to be a doozy.

[Lance Armstrong]

All right, well, I think that wraps on that note. Jesus. Okay, this has been fun. Thank you, boys. We look forward to being back. Same bad time, same bad channel.

[George Hincapie]

Tomorrow.

[Lance Armstrong]

Tomorrow, Sam.