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Lance Armstrong
But what I am sure about is poor Phillipson man. Just look, bike racers, if you haven't broken your collarbone racing a bicycle, then you haven't raced enough because it just always happens. It is the most common injury.
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George Hincapie
Hopefully that's all it was.
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Lance Armstrong
And maybe, you know, it could be something else. But he landed straight. Normally you get an arm out, you get something to break the fall right down on that right shoulder. And it was just. Was awful to watch because he got to the side of the road, guys stopped for him. So you're thinking, okay, there's a little bit of hope maybe. And then the next thing you see is the guys, they just send the guys off. At that point, Bradley's like, he's out. And we are back. Welcome to the Move podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Mr. George Hencapi down there, who has spent most of his morning not watching the Tour de France. However, instead watching Wimbledon, I was multitasking. Yes, we're covering stage three, won by Tim Merlier. We'll get into all that action, Alain, but first, tell us, where'd we go? Stage 3, from Valenciennes 2, Dunkerque. From Valenciennes to Dunkerque. Love that. As is the case each and every day, today's show brought to you by Ketone iq. Real quick at a high level. Tim, earlier second stage win. First stage one of the. Of the Tour for quick step. Third in a row for the Benelux region. Yep. Photo finish. I mean, it was close. He. It's always funny, you know, you're the guys, as you watch on tv, you. You have no idea who won. They always know. He was right there. He merely signaled that he. That he had won. He knew.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, it was tight from. From our angle. We didn't. We had no idea that he won. Super close, super tight. Interesting lead outs going on. I felt like Trek perhaps maybe dropped him off a bit too early on his own, but he jumped on right on the post. Picnic wheel and whatever, however you say it. And I mean, he had a straight run in, and I'm sure he's gonna take a lot of anger out of this loss and perhaps do things differently in the next person.
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Lance Armstrong
He seems a little angry. Yeah, he does seem angry. Yeah, we'll get it. We're gonna break down the sprint even more because there's just other. Obviously, this is one of these days that, on paper, looked to be uneventful. It was not that at all. It was a. It was a. A very eventful slash. Uneventful day. But before we do, today's show, brought to you by Roka. So Roka has completely reinvented the class of eyewear glasses that are optimized for performance. By the way, too, their prescription glasses have the exact same technology as their performance sunglasses. Look at Mr. Hinckappi's glasses down there. See if he walks outside, those go dark.
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George Hincapie
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Lance Armstrong
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George Hincapie
Yeah, it's hot there.
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Lance Armstrong
Or London.
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Bradley Wiggins
It's hot in London.
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Lance Armstrong
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George Hincapie
And we need some of that right now. After that beat down Mark gave us.
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Lance Armstrong
This morning, I know we hit up the gym because as I said, back to the action now. As I said, this was one of these days that, you know, it's easy to say, okay, relatively flat stage. You look at the profile, clearly going to be almost, almost, you know, always going to be a field sprint here. Let's go hit the gym. And Mark upstairs, boys, putting the. Putting the hurt on us. And then, of course, a lot happened.
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George Hincapie
A lot happened. Quintessential sprint stage today.
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Lance Armstrong
Let's talk about the sprint, though. Tim Melier, a couple of fun facts. I did not know this, sir. Bradley filled me in. And of course, if you're watching the show, you can see his iPad here. He's got one sticker. One sticker on his iPad. All right, that's a sticker of Frank Vanden Brook for those old cycling fans. You will remember Frank Vandenbrook. You will remember the immense amount of talent that this man had. I mean, when this boy came on the scene, there was a moment where you're like, oh, no, I guess we're all just gonna be racing for a second or let's find some other races. He had more talent in his pinky than most people had in their whole body. Anyhow, the reason we bring this up, Tim Marilier is married to Frank Vandenbrook's daughter.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, Cameron.
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Lance Armstrong
Cameron.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yep.
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Lance Armstrong
Pretty amazing. Anything else stand out about that other than the photo finish? We do want to talk about Jonathan Milan. Curious about his style. Your thoughts on his style?
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George Hincapie
Yeah, just, I mean, his style. He looks like he's all over the bike. Kind of looks on Arrow, but the guy comes from the. The track. Team pursuit or big champion. Olympic champion. Can win a prologue on many days as well. Y that's an incredible couple years. And this is his first Tour de France, I believe. You can see the nerves starting to get to him, the tension. He's gotten into a couple fights, but that's just a world of pressure mounted on his shoulders right now. They left Matt Peterson's at home. Matt Peterson at home. So it's all on him. And we, you know, some people react differently to that kind of pressure, but.
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Lance Armstrong
It was, you know, we've, we've gotten so used to the greatness over the years, the last almost two decades. Of course, this is the first drawer in a very, very long time that Mark Cavendish is not here. But we got so used to his style, right? Low, punchy, very arrow. And then you look at a Milan head all over the place, sitting up high, a big guy. I mean, imagine the amount of watts that guy has to put out and then compare and contrast. You can just go on YouTube and watch. I mean, he's not called the Manx Missile for nothing, but totally different styles.
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Bradley Wiggins
He's very unorthodox, but it seems to work for him. You know, he gets it out. This is a guy who is the world record holder for the 4000 meter individual pursuit, which is sub four minutes for four kilometers. So he's a very, very, you know, he's very diverse in the way he can switch disciplines. And he climbs well as well, doesn't he?
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
But he's now leading the green jersey competition for his efforts. He won that intermediate sprint today and he so far, you know, although he hasn't won a stage, he's justifying his selection over Muds Pedersen, which is, I'm sure, you know, part of the pressure.
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Lance Armstrong
Really. Out of curiosity, Sir Bradley. What? What? So his time is in the. And just going back to the 358, I think. 358 and your best time ever, 412. Whoa.
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Bradley Wiggins
20 years ago, that was.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
Geez.
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Lance Armstrong
He went 14 seconds faster.
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Bradley Wiggins
He's quick.
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Lance Armstrong
What? Yeah.
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George Hincapie
That's wild.
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Bradley Wiggins
Wow.
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George Hincapie
I think we also need to point out how, how what seems so easy that how Tim Malir came up in the finish there. Yeah, I think like 500 meters ago. And he essentially came up on the side of the peloton on his own and seemed to be going 10k an hour faster than the lead out train and just slotted it in right behind Milan with a couple, you know, bumping and grinding there. But when I saw the moment, I saw that, I was pretty sure he was going to win because if you're able to do that when someone's full gas leading out of sprint, that means you got a crazy amount of power, crazy amount of confidence. He was on his own. He didn't even need his teammates there. And then I think Remco was helping with like 10k to go. They all got stuck in a crash, but man, he was just floating and he found, you know, he found that wheel and just was able to come around Milan. Not easily, obviously, because it was a photo finish, but still.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, lots of crashes today. Yeah, we're going to break all those down. Interesting fact, it has been 109 consecutive stages without an Italian victory. The last Italian victory was Nibali in 2019. So we're talking, I mean, we're an inch away today.
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George Hincapie
There's no way you pulled that one out. That must be Spencer, our guru, giving speed.
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Lance Armstrong
No, I was chat GPT. No, I don't know. Yes, of course Spencer did. Thank you, Spencer. But that's. Think about that. I mean, for that country. 109 stage wins without a win. 109 stages without a win.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
2019, Nimali.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, that puts even more pressure on Jonathan Millan. I mean, think about it. His whole team, the whole country is, you know, waiting for him to get a victory, especially after the years he's had. So we've seen it, we've seen it in some of his actions in the first two, three stages. And yep, I can understand that you.
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Lance Armstrong
Had a lot of crashes. And I was looking at the road book online and I saw the final and I thought, interestingly enough, Sir Bradley, you had pulled up a YouTube clip of the last time when the Tour finished here in 95. We'll touch on that in a second. But I saw these, left bend, right bend. And I'm thinking to myself, and of course, we have just watched a half a dozen crashes already on the stage. I'm thinking, I don't feel great about this. This feels like. This feels dangerous to me. Nonetheless, that was the run in and of course there was another crash. But it just brings up this question again. And the other thing you noted, rightfully so, is that the width of the road in 95, it looked twice as wide as the finish today. What are we doing?
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Bradley Wiggins
Well, it's the same. They finished here in 2022 when Wout Van Aert attacked in the final over those last few climbs. Okay, you remember we rode solo to the finish.
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George Hincapie
Oh, and did the Red Wings and.
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Bradley Wiggins
Even then the white. The road was, you know, there are roads available to, to the organizers to use it. I find it hard. I thought we'd gone away from this. I thought we were making the sport safer. And this is from the same organizers that have, of course, run Paris Roubaix, that have put a chicane in before Arenberg to make the race safer, which I think has sanitized the race personally because that's part of what the, the joy of Roubaix is about. But in terms of Tour de France finishes and things, that finish straight today was, Was something I haven't seen seen for a while. Yeah, it reminded me of a, of a Giro d' Italia finish or. And it made it extremely dangerous. And I think there was a few crashes because of that, certainly the crash in the finish straight.
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George Hincapie
So, yeah, let me point what. Point out what, what went on today when we saw. With 30, 40k to go. My man Tim Wellens, by the way, rode away and got your favorite jersey, the K1 jersey. Great guy. He's a, you know, we chat once in a while, but great to see him in that jersey, especially since he won the Belgian National Championships. But they were essentially rolling along, kind of slow headwind. The peloton was all spread out, which, as I mentioned yesterday is some of the most tense moments in all of cycling. But on top of that, they all know there's no guessing game anymore in these finishes. They all knew how technical the finish was going to be. So that adds even more tension. And the fact that, yes, the rolling around, relatively easy, that means that all these guys in the back are fresh. That means they're going to start moving up, moving up, making it faster, making it more dangerous. And what happens is people start crashing on just straightaways into, you know, road furniture, whatever. But there's more crashes because of that.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, I mean, you saw this within the last five, six kilometers. You bring up road furniture. I don't know if it was necessarily road furniture, but it was narrowing of the road to sort of funnel the riders a certain direction with just these random barriers.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, random little bit of tape. Tape, tape.
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Lance Armstrong
I mean, this is.
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Bradley Wiggins
But you know, there was a time.
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Lance Armstrong
Look, it's easy for us to say it is, but. But it shouldn't be that way.
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Bradley Wiggins
But I also remember a time when ASO would remove road furniture in the last five or six kilometers. Anything that was an obstruction or a potential danger, they would uproot retarmac and make a safer passage. And we seem to have got away from that. And whether that's a financial implications of doing that, I imagine they're probably huge based on the amount of furniture in, in these villages now. But nonetheless, it's the riders that have to face the consequences of that. But one thing I' is someone who, who seems to avoid these crashes like the plague is Tadde Pugacho. He's you know, Remco yet again caught up today.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
In a crash. And Taday, it's part of, of his greatness. I mean, you know better than anyone. How many times did you crash in your. Seven. Seven victories? You know how many? I think one was it and that was in the mountains.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
But you know, on these stages, I.
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Lance Armstrong
Did tip over one at the time. Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
So.
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Lance Armstrong
All right. But yeah, I get to again. Yeah.
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George Hincapie
Well, I think the fact that Remco went down is obviously not ideal. Two days away from the time trial, another hard stage tomorrow. Clearly he's not happy with that. But at the same time, Quick Step had a sort of a disastrous first two stages. They come away with a win today. I think the morale is going to be a lot higher at the dinner table tonight. It's going to motivate Remco even more to go for the win. On you think it will be the morale? I think so, because I sort of.
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Bradley Wiggins
See the team split a little bit. You've got Merlier in the front winning the stage, which is great, but their man for the GC is lying on the floor, you know, and so there's no, there's no cohesion from the. They're sort of split in terms of.
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Lance Armstrong
Their objectives and the speculation is rife about him leaving the team. You know, what the. This. I don't, I don't think that the maraudery or the morale on the bus or at the dinner, I think that's all. But that's, you know, well, who better.
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George Hincapie
To ask than Sir Bradley Wiggins? I mean, the same thing happened in 2012 with Mark Cavendish, who was world champion, best sprinter of the world at the time. You're going for the. Talk about how you guys work through those dynamics.
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Bradley Wiggins
Well, I mean, that, that caused a lot of friction within the team. We had the dynamic with me and Chris Froome, but not only that, we had the, the split in terms of, you know, objective of Cav wanting to win stages in green and it caused friction within the team and certain members of the team and certain DS's in the team, which has been well documented. But at some point riders like me, I intervened and said, I do the lead outs because I, you know, as a friend of Cavan, sort of acting as mediator, which we did, and it was the safest place for me to be in yellow was being on the front leading Caval, also the sacrifices he'd made for my yellow jersey competition. So that, that kind of, that's how that played out. But that obviously Is different in every team.
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George Hincapie
Well, talk about the, talk about the lead outs, because I was also a lead out man for Cavendish and I would never follow him from like 7km ago till 2km ago because he was crazy. I mean, the shit he would do in the peloton. I would always just try to find them with about 2k to go and get in front of him with 1500 meters. So how did you do it?
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Bradley Wiggins
So I had a very specific role in that. My job was always from the 2 kilometer banner to about 800 to go.
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George Hincapie
Okay.
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Bradley Wiggins
And that would give me enough time to swing off and then get back in somewhere down the line.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
Now, Cav. Cav would always say to us, you do your job, I'll find you. Do not look back for me. Do not try and find me. I will get to you. And he would have Bernie with him or Edvald.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
So we would just focus on looking ahead, never looking behind. And Cab. But Cav was very vocal. Cav would always be shooting to hear him 10 riders back shouting, right, yeah, Right side of the road. Yeah, yeah. And kind of. So you'd listen to those instructions. You'd go, right. So Cav would break sprints down like no other rider I'd ever met. And you knew, you know, he would be calculating all the time, but he would somehow always find you.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
And I think that was the key to Sky's train anyway. You were very different. Your job is to sit behind Cav as long as possible, I guess.
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George Hincapie
Well, no, like I mentioned before, I would. I told Cab the same thing he told you guys. Like, don't, don't look for me from 7k to 2k to go, I will find you. And I would slot into their training because I would kind of try to stay near them, but there's no way I would go through the holes they were going. I would go on the right side of the road. All those years of, you know, shepherding you in the win at the finals, things helped me, especially for those types of stages. And then I would slot into their train once we got clear and we were ahead of the group and we would do our thing. But I did not want any part of their, you know, 5k to 2k.
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Lance Armstrong
To go, by the way, I mean, I, I'm, I'm just, I'm on the sidelines here, just like everybody else listening or watching. That was amazing. That was cool. Like, I'm just sitting here going, whoa. I didn't know any of this.
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George Hincapie
It was funny, too. I remember 2012 go ahead, finish what you can say.
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Lance Armstrong
No, I just, I, I'm just, I would, I wanted that. Appreciate what we all just heard. Like, that's, that's some inside stuff that I have no idea. It was super cool.
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George Hincapie
So Cav would go by at that time I was on BMC and he'd come by like our dinner tables. Like, anybody need a sprinter? Anybody looking for a sprinter, like, with his head down, he was a world champion and he's always super emotional and dramatic and he was trying to be funny as well, but he was going around asking other teams if they needed a sprinter.
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Lance Armstrong
Well, of course, speaking of sprinters and crashes, it was a very eventful day for Jasper Phillips. And we saw the intermediate sprint. This is when we were in the gym and. And it all of a sudden it just happened. Right. And debatable on who is to blame. I think Cocard got a lot of the blame on television. Certainly got a lot of the blame on the road. As you watch this overhead angle, I'm not so sure. But what I am sure about is, is poor Phillipson man. Just look, bike racers, if you haven't broken your collarbone racing a bicycle, then you haven't raced enough because it just always happens. It is the most common injury.
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George Hincapie
Hopefully that's all it was.
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Lance Armstrong
And maybe, you know, could be something else. But he landed straight. Normally you get an arm out, you get something to break the fall right down on that right shoulder. And it was just, it was awful to watch because he got to the side of the road, guys stopped for him. So you're thinking, okay, there's a little bit of hope maybe. And then the next thing you see is the guys, they just send the guys off. At that point, Bradley's like, he's out. It's over.
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George Hincapie
Look, I don't, I don't. I think I'd have a hard time blame. Blaming Cocard for that. I mean, he was just a perfect storm where he, yeah, went to hit out to the right. The guy that was passing him on the left hit was kind of leaning towards the left of him or the wanted guy. The wanted guy leaned into him. They kind of hit each other at the same time, I mean, and there was no nothing for Cocard to do. The fact that Co Card didn't crash was remarkable. Clipped out of the pedal, you know, sitting on his top tube. But the same time, Philipson did not have the same luxury to react as quickly as Cocard hit the ground. Hit the ground hard, like you said. Couldn't even put his Hand out or react and right on the shoulder.
- [20:49]
Lance Armstrong
But if you break it down, I mean, he got. Kokard got moved by the wanty guy on his right and that's what moved him. I mean, you can't. You have to look all. You have to look at the. Where this started.
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Bradley Wiggins
I don't think anyone's to blame. I think it's an occupational.
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Lance Armstrong
Fair enough.
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Bradley Wiggins
It's an occupational hazard of what those guys are doing. And these guys are making micro adjustments to micro movements at those speeds. Speeds that the next person reacts and it's over. Exaggerated movement from the first guy. And it's just, it's hard to explain what it's like sprint at those speeds.
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Lance Armstrong
And I don't. I'm glad I never had to do it.
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George Hincapie
No.
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Lance Armstrong
And. But that wasn't, that wasn't the view of, Of Team Alpecin. I mean, you saw.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
One of their riders, you know, coming down on guard and blaming. Essentially blaming him, at least as promotion.
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Bradley Wiggins
But that's just the emotion. It was filling those moments. Someone's got to be to blame for it. And as a rider, you know, there's an emotion attached to that.
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Lance Armstrong
That.
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George Hincapie
And I would guarantee you that rider that was yelling at him, he's going to watch the highlight go, oh, probably wasn't much.
- [21:46]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
It wasn't his fault. He'll probably go up to him tomorrow and be like, hey, man, sorry about that, but. And it's very understandable. I mean, high, high pressure. I mean, these guys heart rate is 200. 200. They see their leader crash on the floor. They saw a guy bump into him. They make, you know, their assumptions right away. And it's just, that's just part of the sport. Happens all the time.
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Lance Armstrong
And he's doing intermediate sprints.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
Matter now, as I learned yesterday.
- [22:10]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, they do.
- [22:11]
George Hincapie
Yeah. We're seeing quite the battle unfold between Milan and Gourmet already. I mean, they're five points, four points separated by four points. Malir is creeping in there.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah. And they lost. You know, arguably they're the biggest favorite, I think, at this point. I mean, he looked great.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
Awful to see.
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George Hincapie
It'll be interesting if a guy like Matthew Vanderpoel wants to get the green jersey. He can probably get the green jersey because he can make it a whole times.
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Lance Armstrong
Yep. Because tomorrow's stage is nasty.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
But we'll talk about that. We're going to take a quick station break. You know, like, you grow up and you watch TV and the people say, they say stuff you're like, that sounded cool. Like, you know, station break. That sounds dope. You know what grew up watching? Love Connection. Chuck Willery throwing it out to commercial two and two. That was cool. That was so you're like, one of these days in my life, maybe I'll get to do that. I get to do it now. We'll be back in 2 and 32. All right, welcome back, everybody. I believe we. Tomorrow looks interesting, but before we get to tomorrow, a few things and I think we have a slide for this. This might seem a little bit self congratulatory, but this, this is a big damn deal for all of us here at the Move. This just popped up yesterday. I was on the golf course, of course, and the team sends me this. Here's the top charts in the podcast world. Now if you're watching, you can see it. If you're not. The Move. Yeah, that's right. Number one podcast in sports in front of Bill Simmons, Dan Lee Batard, Andy Roddick's coverage of, I guess Wimbledon. Pardon my take. And the Kelsey brothers. Now that has never happened.
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George Hincapie
That's a big deal.
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Lance Armstrong
We have never. We've been number two, we've been number three. We've never been number one. Yeah, I was. That was a day maker for all of us. Yes.
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George Hincapie
Very proud to be part of this.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah. And that's good. And we're just thankful and grateful. I mean, this isn't. This doesn't. I mean, I know George probably downloads it a lot and listens to himself, but that's not enough to get us up there. I mean, it's a. It's a big damn deal.
- [24:20]
George Hincapie
No, actually, I was quite impressed. You said you were listening to it the other day on your hike.
- [24:23]
Lance Armstrong
I listened to. And I'll get to that in a second. But thank you to anybody and everybody that listens. We really, really appreciate it. And I did, I did listen to the preview show for the very reason that as I listened, and I will say you were right, I was accused early on in the show of having low energy.
- [24:44]
George Hincapie
You were quite offended by that statement.
- [24:45]
Lance Armstrong
It was very tough. We're just starting. I mean, who wants to start anything with low energy?
- [24:52]
George Hincapie
Yeah, exactly.
- [24:52]
Lance Armstrong
That means you're just guaranteed to suck. And so I went back and listened and I was, I was like, I need to. I have to do better.
- [25:01]
George Hincapie
Can y' all take notes of this? The man is agreeing with me. It's very seldom.
- [25:06]
Lance Armstrong
And I agree with you and thank you. And I'm, I'm happy and I'm Glad that, that, that you called me out on it. So I was just doing a little bit of homework and research and. And reflection.
- [25:18]
George Hincapie
Okay.
- [25:18]
Lance Armstrong
And so I've tried to up my energy.
- [25:21]
George Hincapie
It's been great the last two days, really.
- [25:24]
Lance Armstrong
Thank you very much. So I have another fun story and everybody knows or that's listened to the show for years, has sort of gotten used to these personal stories, but it never fails. Every year I learn something new about somebody on this team.
- [25:42]
George Hincapie
I knew I was going to regret every single.
- [25:44]
Lance Armstrong
This man. To my far left, I have known.
- [25:49]
George Hincapie
Melanie, please put your earmuffs on.
- [25:52]
Lance Armstrong
I have known since 1989. I've known this man, whatever that is. 36 years, right? No, no longer than that. What am. My math is whatever. It's a long time. And of course, this first week of the tour, before his family gets here and hopefully they're not listening, he stays with us in the house. And I'm. And I watch a lot of the news. A lot going on. I watch a lot of golf. But every night, it never fails. I come home and the man is parked on the couch obsessing and watching Love Island. That's all he watches.
- [26:34]
George Hincapie
Do I get a rebuttal or are you still.
- [26:35]
Lance Armstrong
No, hold on.
- [26:36]
George Hincapie
Okay?
- [26:36]
Lance Armstrong
Hold on. And he binge watches Love Island. Do you know what? Love island is heavy in the uk? Well, but this is. I mean, this is unwatchable.
- [26:45]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, it's trash.
- [26:47]
George Hincapie
Before you finish the story, can I say one thing?
- [26:50]
Lance Armstrong
Sure.
- [26:51]
George Hincapie
Colin, hook me up over here on the big screen. Let's. Let's see something kind of funny since we're talking about. Look at my man engrossed with Love Island.
- [26:59]
Lance Armstrong
No, this is a man.
- [26:59]
George Hincapie
Look at the attention he is giving this show right now. You need to be careful in your own house. Soul lens, because I'm always watching. Okay. The focus you had on that. No, this is show was very indicative of how much you actually liked watching it.
- [27:15]
Lance Armstrong
And listen, we have to be careful, okay? Because we're. We're really psyched and proud to be on Peacock. It's a Peacock show. I'm with you, sir.
- [27:24]
Bradley Wiggins
Bradley Podunk.
- [27:25]
George Hincapie
Crash.
- [27:25]
Lance Armstrong
Trash. And so po Dunk.
- [27:28]
Bradley Wiggins
Trash.
- [27:28]
Lance Armstrong
But the man look, you can pull up all the fake clips you want. That's a. That's a look of disgust of like, how. How would anybody watch this? How could anybody go on this?
- [27:38]
George Hincapie
It was entertaining.
- [27:39]
Lance Armstrong
But. But that's not the big learning. That's not the big learning from the first few days of the tour. As we're watching this, Mr. Hinkapy, the man to my far left, reveals that in the early 2000s, he was one of the original candidates to be on the Bachelor before he's married. So Mel just.
- [28:01]
George Hincapie
Yep.
- [28:01]
Lance Armstrong
This is pre Mel.
- [28:02]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [28:03]
Lance Armstrong
He was in the running to be on the Bachelor.
- [28:07]
George Hincapie
She made the finals. I could have. I could have done it had I wanted to.
- [28:11]
Lance Armstrong
Okay. That's all fine and good. However, keep in mind, in the early 2000s, we were winning the Tour de France. So this man thinks it's a good idea to submit his name, enter into the process, make it to the finals of the Bachelor, and you're on a team that's winning the Tour. Which. Bradley, which part of this makes sense?
- [28:35]
George Hincapie
Hey, I was going to go to LA for six weeks, training the mountains. I had, you know, I had it all figured out, but I decided ultimately.
- [28:41]
Lance Armstrong
Not to do it, obviously. But the fact that this gets revealed 20 plus years later was just gold. And if it wasn't for Love Island, I never would. I never would have learned it. So for that, I am thankful for Love Island.
- [28:58]
George Hincapie
Hang on. Didn't you do some, like, living in Mars show or something like, similar to the masses? You don't remember that?
- [29:04]
Lance Armstrong
Let me tell you.
- [29:04]
George Hincapie
I feel like. I feel like, did I dream that or did that actually happen?
- [29:08]
Lance Armstrong
You know? And as the loyal listener, viewer hopefully can appreciate, there is a lot of stuff that I regret. And that would be one. Right? So I did go to Mars for a couple weeks. How was it? Awful. In fact, I'm still recovering. I am. It's not funny.
- [29:35]
George Hincapie
Can we have at some point, can you, like, walk us through, like, the day a day in that show looked like.
- [29:40]
Lance Armstrong
Let me just. Let me just sum it up this way. All right? Thank God for Marshawn. I mean, if it wasn't for Marshawn, somebody was gonna get hurt. And it might have been myself. I don't know. It was. My mental health is good. Except for those two weeks. I was like, wow. So this is what it feels like, huh? That's not good, man. Jesus. So whatever. We need to talk about a bike race.
- [30:06]
George Hincapie
Yeah, we're coming up stage.
- [30:08]
Lance Armstrong
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- [31:07]
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- [31:45]
Bradley Wiggins
I know, I know about these TV shows but it's.
- [31:48]
Lance Armstrong
You're like I flew all the way over here to talk about this stuff.
- [31:51]
Bradley Wiggins
I'm sure the public want to hear about it. You know, I want to hear opinions on everything these days.
- [31:55]
Lance Armstrong
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- [32:18]
George Hincapie
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- [32:18]
Lance Armstrong
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- [33:25]
George Hincapie
I wish we had, like, more of a reminder, but, you know, let's look at tomorrow stage.
- [33:30]
Lance Armstrong
It's been, this is. As a fan and as somebody who wakes up early in the morning to watch these stages, this one gets me excited. This is the overall profile, 174km. If you're a vertical nerd, it's about 6,500ft of climbing. But look at the finish. Oh, Cat 4. Oh, sorry. Yeah, there it is. Well, we'll look at the. This is the last 21 kilometers. Cat 4, Cat 4, Cat 3. And then an uphill finish. But this looks nasty.
- [34:06]
George Hincapie
This is a breakaway.
- [34:07]
Lance Armstrong
This is going to be a. You think so?
- [34:08]
George Hincapie
I mean, think about all the work that Alpecin Phoenix has done these last three days. They just lost one of their leaders. I mean, their morale is probably a bit down. A great, don't get me wrong, amazing stage for Matthew van der Poel, no doubt. But are they going to continue to use up all their matches this early in the Tour de France when this is very, very clear stage for a breakaway? I think a strong breakaway of 10, 15 guys. A strong guy that will be able to hold the yellow jersey for a while to help UAE and perhaps Visma do a lot of control. I see a breakaway going to the finish tomorrow.
- [34:44]
Bradley Wiggins
I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. Just this Monday, cycling, man, I don't know, I, I, I think it's just going to be a spilled sprint again of some sort, you know, getting into.
- [34:56]
Lance Armstrong
These final, tricky final 20.
- [34:58]
Bradley Wiggins
I mean, after the time trial, Vanderpoel's race, you know, is, you know, aside from Mir de Bretan, you know, he wants to get as much out this first week. I mean, they may do. They may do.
- [35:06]
George Hincapie
I don't know. I see that. Look, we got the time trial coming up. We got a lot of people. Their only chance is to make, to win the stage through a breakaway. I mean, today was a relatively easy day. Headwind, they weren't going that hard. They're fresh. They're not going to want to save anything for the time trial. I'm seeing a big breakaway going and getting a couple of minutes pre time trial. I'm thinking 10, 15.
- [35:26]
Lance Armstrong
Free time trial.
- [35:27]
George Hincapie
Free time trial.
- [35:28]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
- [35:28]
Bradley Wiggins
I think somebody today could win tomorrow.
- [35:30]
George Hincapie
Yeah, I mean, if it's together, no doubt today or rentable.
- [35:33]
Lance Armstrong
Just pull it back up real soon. Real quick, Gabrielle, because there's some, there's some pieces. I'm with you, Bradley. I think this is, I think they keep in mind too.
- [35:41]
George Hincapie
What's your hunt think or Spencer?
- [35:43]
Lance Armstrong
Well, we're going to throw to Spencer in a second because I want to talk about outcomes but you know they just lost Phillipson, right. So this is what a stage for, for them to keep it together. Tip of the cap to him, honor him. This is a perfect stage for Matthew Vanderpool. But look at some of these. Look 15% sections there. The second to last little climb. There's a nasty finish. I think it's perfect for him. Yeah, I don't see a break.
- [36:08]
George Hincapie
If a guy like him wants to win the stage, he's going to rally his troops and be like hey, even if a breakaway goes, keep him close. We'll bring him in. It's just depends. It all depends on what Alpha Team Phoenix does tomorrow in terms of the breakaway getting away or not.
- [36:20]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. Weather looks perfect. Totally sunny, 70 degrees, slight crosswind most of the day until they make that final turn and then get into the hills. You know, FYI, we will get actually Spencer's opinion because I do want to talk about outcomes. Obviously he does the show each and every day with Johan. The sports betting show. Spencer, you're putting up some numbers, right? If look, I think everybody should be in the IRR game, right? Whatever. Whether it's your, whether you're buying stocks here and there, whether you're invest whatever you're investing in. Let's just talk about how you're doing, right?
- [36:56]
Spencer
Yeah. Well, you got to stay humble. That's the most important thing. My pick for the day was Tim earlier plus 190. It's funny. Johan picked Jasper Philipson. I think he was plus 320. I was a little jealous. I was like I don't know how I feel about this but let's go. Merlier worked for the second day in a row. If you didn't listen yesterday, plus 190. Plus 200 would be. You get $200 of profit on betting. $100. I nearly tripled my money again. I'm up. I've returned $570 on an initial investment of $360. That's what a 58% return annually. That's like 7,000%. We might raise a few billion. Start a fund based solely around true to front sprint stages.
- [37:36]
Lance Armstrong
At this point it's not a terrible idea.
- [37:40]
Spencer
Well, I think you might run into limit issues on some of these books if you put six bill down.
- [37:46]
George Hincapie
No disrespect at all to me, Lear, but I think if Philipson was there, he probably still would have won today.
- [37:50]
Lance Armstrong
I agree with that.
- [37:51]
George Hincapie
Yeah. The way he won the first stage, you got a guy like Matthew Vanipole taking you to 200 meters to go. Would have been, I think, a bit different. Sprint.
- [37:59]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. Just FYI, George, Johan sent a message here on the group chat. He is not. Does not think there'll be a breakaway. Thinks it's either Vanderpool or Mr. Poguchar.
- [38:12]
Spencer
Well, Johan shouldn't be burning. That should be an outcome.
- [38:15]
Lance Armstrong
That should be an outcomes. But he can't help himself. He's listening live. Live. And he can. He couldn't help himself.
- [38:22]
Spencer
Do you guys want to. So we got the stage right and then this is just a fun thing about the show.
- [38:26]
Bradley Wiggins
By the way.
- [38:26]
Spencer
We're on the Moves podcast feed and YouTube channel. So if you're watching this on Peacock and you're like, hey, I want more of this. That's where you can find us. We do head to heads at the end of every stage. I just do rapid fire. Johannes to answer one of them was Tadi Pagachar versus Jonas Vindergaard. So you bet on one of those to finish in front of the other. Kind of funny because they're not really racing on a day like today. They finished 70th and 71st. Jonas finished in front. Johan got that one right. And then an even, like, odder one. Matthew van der Poel versus. I'd never heard of this writer before.
- [38:56]
Bradley Wiggins
I apologize.
- [38:57]
Spencer
Stein Friedheim. And that was another one where they finished, I think, four spots apart. Van der Poel finished ahead. Johan got that one right. So there's a lot of fun stuff on the show outside of just the stage winners.
- [39:09]
George Hincapie
And you can bet on that as well.
- [39:10]
Lance Armstrong
Yes, absolutely.
- [39:11]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [39:11]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
- [39:12]
George Hincapie
When are we doing our fun? We're supposed to get that going. Work on that today.
- [39:15]
Lance Armstrong
I've already been back in Spencer, so I don't. Sorry, Johan. As we do each and every day. Ventum Daily Trivia. Right. The question yesterday was, what was the distance of the longest ever Tour? The answer, 5745km. You can do the math on whatever that is in miles. 5,745 kilometers. Oh, here it is right here. 3,570 miles. That was completed in 1960. That's insane.
- [39:49]
Bradley Wiggins
I think it was shorter. I think it was. I think that was over 17 stages as well. I might be wrong that. Not 21 stages. Wow. So that's quite a lot.
- [39:58]
Lance Armstrong
See, I mean, imagine how hard the bikes, the weight of the bikes, the clothing, the. The. The. Everything about it, man.
- [40:08]
Bradley Wiggins
The hotels, the food.
- [40:13]
Lance Armstrong
All right, question for stage three in the ventum daily trivia, history was made at the finish of stage three of the 2024 Tour de France. What happened 2024. Easy.
- [40:27]
George Hincapie
Yeah, it was easy.
- [40:28]
Lance Armstrong
That's easy. Okay. There you go. We'll give you the answer. It's easy. It's so easy.
- [40:35]
George Hincapie
All right. Epic. Another fireworks.
- [40:38]
Lance Armstrong
Tomorrow's gonna be good. That's gonna be good. And then. And we're off.
- [40:42]
George Hincapie
We're off.
- [40:43]
Lance Armstrong
It's been exciting.
- [40:43]
George Hincapie
I did want to play a little homage to your reality TV debut. Colin, he put that up there for me as we're saying goodbye until tomorrow.
- [40:56]
Lance Armstrong
Wow.
- [40:56]
George Hincapie
That's just.
- [40:58]
Lance Armstrong
What are we doing here?
- [41:00]
Bradley Wiggins
Sex sells. There we go.
- [41:04]
George Hincapie
Look at that. That was that comfortable, that seat.
- [41:07]
Lance Armstrong
No. You know what? We don't. Colton, on that note, I hope everybody has a great day. And you know what? And on that note, take care of your mental health, Honestly. Thanks for tuning in. We really appreciate it. We'll see you all tomorrow. Sa.