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Lance, George, and Sir Bradley Wiggins marvel at Tadej Pogačar's incredible show of force on Stage 4 of the 2025 Tour de France to win the stage and get his 100th career victory, signaling that any potential challenge to his campaign to win the...
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Lance Armstrong
But what a performance. I mean, this guy. I mean, I was. I was thinking back to April when we were watching him win the Tour of Flanders. And a week later, you know, in a position to win Paris Roubaix. And here he is at the Tour de France in the World Champions jersey. It's Merckxesque, what he's doing.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
That's right.
- [00:14]
Lance Armstrong
And it's. There's no words to describe this guy. We're running out of words. No characters.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, I get asked a lot of questions about him and because people have heard us go on the record and. And refer to him as. Yeah, I think what we view now as the greatest of all time, what we're seeing and the things he's doing is. You can't not say that. Right. We are back. Welcome back to the Move podcast. Lance Armstrong, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins and Mr. George Baldoni. Baldoni ink epi. Look at the name.
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George Baldoni
I'm not sure where you're getting that.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
But if there was ever there was ever a time, I think Baldoni's a guy.
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George Baldoni
Who was that last night? There was a lady calling some other. She said she thought you were somebody else.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Oh, yeah, I get that a lot. As a friend of mine, actually, I get that a lot. I knew exactly who she was talking about. And as I told you last night, it just pays to be nice to people. Random people come up. It's nice to be nice to people.
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George Baldoni
Team. Y' all hear that? He's telling me that.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Anyways, we are talking about Stage four. As is the case each and every day, today's show brought to you by Ketone iq. Alain, what happened here on Stage four?
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George Baldoni
Stage four.
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Lance Armstrong
From Amiens Metropole to Rouen.
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George Baldoni
From Amiens Metropole to Rouen.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Exceptional. Exceptional performance by. I mean, I know this sounds like a podcast you might have heard before, but it's not. I mean, Tadeh Pogachar, his 100th career pro win officially. And it just depends how you want to look at these things. The second quickest to 100 pro wins. The great Eddie Merckx got to 100 pro runs at the age of 25. Tade Pogajar is 26. Got some other stats for us. Peter Sagan got to 100 at the age of 27. Mark Cavendish at the age of 27. Andre Gripel, the age of 31. Tom Boonen, 31. Pataki, 32. Robbie McEwen, 35. Alejandro Valverde, 36. Pretty exceptional. And. And he animated the race. I mean, it was fun to watch. We're Gonna get into all that before we do today's show brought to you by Zwift. As has been the case early on in this tour, you just never know what is going to happen. I do want to talk later about the route that ASO has picked. Hats off, this has been exciting to watch, but what you don't want are training surprises. Zwift Ready trainers plus the new Zwift Cog and Click make your setup rock solid. Zwift Cog is a one gear cassette, so all you do is click the wireless shifter to feel the change and resistance. Zwift's fitness trainer and tracker takes care of the rest, keeping you focused and on target every ride. With their thousands of workouts, training plans and community rides. Here's the other thing. You can use any bike and it still feels like you're on a top end smart trainer. We even got our cruiser bikes on the different Zwift ready trainers. So simple and no need to remove your cassette. You heard that right? No need to remove your cassette. Zwift Ready trainers started just 299 bucks. Meaning anyone can jump into world class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses, just right. Let's ride. Also today, brought to you by Roka. Roka has completely reinvented eyewear. George, where are. Okay, they're not far. I mean this close. Always close. They have completely reinvented eyewear. Glasses optimized for performance, by the way too. Their prescription glasses have the exact same technology as their performance sunglasses. And for those that have been tracking our use of ROK over the years, just FYI, my reader strength has stabilized the last few years. I've been 2.0. I'm proud of that. Unbelievably lightweight, the best optics on the market. They never slip no matter how bad you sweat. Also working with the special forces hand built to order in my hometown of Austin, Texas. For once, you don't have to compromise on performance or style. And the way they build them, you can pick anything you like and know that they work for marathons, workouts, trail running, high rocks, whatever you're into. Move listeners get 20% off. Just go to roka r o k a roka.com Enter the code the Move at checkout roka.com Last one here for a bit. My old friends, right over the mountain, right over the hill, Steamboat Springs folks over at Honey Stinger. I love this brand and I've had a relationship with them since 2008. Bradley, you were not on the team or around us at the time, but we Used to always eat these janky stroopwafels. When we would race, you just go down the store at the grocery store in Europe and then I strike up this relationship with Honeysinger. I said we need our own stroopwafel. So the Honey Stinger Energy Waffle was invented. Check this out. Breaking news just this year, new flavors peanut butter makes wait just makes too much sense. Peanut butter, peanut butter chocolate and peanut butter strawberry. Whether you're out there grinding on the bike or preparing for a club championship in tennis, the delicious taste of Honey Stingers Energy waffles, chews, gels and bars are a great fit for any activity. Head on over to honeystinger.com themove to check out all their products, including my favorite, the waffle. All our listeners can get 25 off your first order@honeystinger.com by using the code the move honeysinger.com well, I can do, I mean tyre poker chart. Exceptional. Bradley. There was a minute there, I mean we thought, I mean to your point earlier, you know, going back a few days in the preview show, this is a two man race. We saw that in spades today. Interesting there with Vingegaard just effectively getting dropped, turning around, realizing there was nobody there. I don't know if that came over the ear like, hey, you have to close this gap. Don't get stuck in no man's land.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, I mean we don't know, do we? But Jordan made a good point that, that certainly probably came over the radio. But what a performance. I mean this guy, I mean I was, I was thinking back to April when we were watching him win the Tour of Flanders and a week later, you know, in a position to win Paris Roubaix. And here he is at the Tour de France in the world champions jersey. It's Merckx esque. What he's.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
That's right.
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Lance Armstrong
And it's, there's no words to describe this guy. We're running out of words.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, I get asked a lot of questions about him and because people have heard us go on the record and refer to him as, I think what we view now is the greatest of all time. What we're seeing and the things he's doing is you can't not say that. Right. And he has a great team. Right. You pointed out Almeida's work. I mean he was in a perfect position and I loved the race. I mean again, hats off to aso. His first week, you know, can be boring. You can have. It isn't what we thought. I mean this has been wildly exciting.
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George Baldoni
Well, I mean, like we said the other day, this looked like a tough stage, but if you look at the results, it looks like a horse category mountain stage. I mean, you have the best climbers in the entire world, bodies everywhere. And Taje has changed the game. I mean, Tade has changed the game.
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Lance Armstrong
Yes.
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George Baldoni
In the way these people race. I mean, the level has gotten so high that only the best climbers in the world are able to follow that pace. We saw what UAE was doing, we saw what Visma was doing. There was just a battle, like a mental battle between teams saying, trying to establish the dominance. And you know what? I'm not. Of course Kade won the race today, but it was pretty close in terms of their hitters doing the work for each other. Super exciting stage. The breakaway early on was some of the best breakaway artists in the entire world. This is not a panicookin breakaway. These guys are stage winners. They're you. You only see these guys in the breakaway on a tough day like today when it's really, really hard to make the breakaway. So made it for just incredible race day. Matteo Jorgensen going for the win there. I love seeing that. America, baby. He's up there. Super exciting. A great, great stage.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean, within the first 30 guys, you had nine different time splits in stage four of the Tour de France.
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George Baldoni
Well, even that, you see Remco lose three seconds at the end when he made the first group. That's an indication of how hard that actually was. I mean, a guy like that would never give up. Three seconds. It was just. Everybody was on the limit. Spencer threw out this crazy stats of today. I mean, 10 watts per kilo for the last two minutes of that race. After such a hard day. 650 watts for today. Unbelievable. To 28, 24 vam. I mean, come on, for two minutes almost. This is ridiculous. I mean, the guys who have won the Tour de France in, in under five years ago, they're looking at these numbers going, what the hell? Like me, them winning the Tour de France can't touch these numbers anymore. And this is like five to six years ago. So not such a long time ago. They cannot even come close to these numbers.
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Lance Armstrong
And that's despite the effort he made on the previous climb.
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George Baldoni
Correct. Yeah. I mean they're. Yeah. I'm sure Spencer will throw us those numbers as well, but the level is just extremely, extremely high.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
We had this conversation yesterday. It wasn't that long ago when Egan Bernal won the Tour de France and he was a young rider and he was so dominant. And we all sat around and said, well, I don't know what everybody else is going to do for a few years, but get used to this. In a conversation you had with Bernal at his ride last November, of course he's had the crash. He's, you know, had the. All the difficulties in and around coming back from a crash like that. But he told you, I mean, he is stronger than ever. This is. We see this a lot. Bengal says the same stuff. This is just a moment in time when you have somebody that's that exceptional.
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George Baldoni
Just to put it in perspective. And not only Bernal, but other guys that have won the Tour de France are saying that some of the numbers they're seeing these guys do for 40 minutes at their best, they might have been able to do it for 10 minutes on a climb at their very best, winning the Tour de France. Now they're doing this for, you know, 30, 40 minutes longer than they ever did. It's. It's kind of hard to imagine, but it's. It's wild. The level has just gotten crazy, crazy high.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Feels kind of nice just sitting here in Aspen, Colorado, doesn't it?
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George Baldoni
Yeah, I know.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean, have to.
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George Baldoni
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Don't have to deal with road furniture. Don't have to deal with guys doing 2800 BAM. In the final with teams.
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George Baldoni
I do have to deal with you waking up cranky every morning, yelling at me, not making the coffee anymore.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I know.
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George Baldoni
It's been changing the whole game on me. So, I mean, there's stresses that we deal with internally that we do. The move team. I mean, all my people over here, the frat house, we all know what we have to go through with him. But you're right, it's a lot easier than the Tour de France.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I admit I have been slipping. That will not. I will remedy that starting tomorrow morning.
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George Baldoni
I want to. I want to go through. I think that moment is very significant. What we saw with Jonas, when all of a sudden we start jumping up, screaming, going, oh, no, he's getting drunk. Why? Even though he might have been able to come back with Remco and these guys most likely would have come back. The mental loss that would have implied. I mean, I'm sure the director was like, you cannot let him go. There's only. There's less than 100 meters to go to the top. I mean, I don't care how bad you're hurting, you can do that final little 3, 4, 5 second sprint to not lose that mental battle. I mean, that was Huge. It was a very impactful moment in the Tour so far. And I'm glad he was able to spring back on because I thought if he rode away there could be finito for the Tour.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know, the interesting thing too, and, and you as an observer of the race and for those who watch the race and, and ride enough to know what percentages mean and of course it helps to live in a place that has steeper climbs. I mean, that last pitch, we're not talking about a little section of 15%. It was probably a minimum of 600 meters at 15% to see like, listen, if the three of us went out and wrote a 600 meter section of 15, it would, we would look like, like we're on life support.
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George Baldoni
800 meters at 12.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean, they made it. It's insane. It's a different sport.
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Lance Armstrong
They obviously planned it as well because the effort the UAE put in before that climb, we said that they were really going with Almeida and everyone. It's. There's a big commitment that. And I think it's the first cards laid in this Tour de France as to what we're going to see for the next couple of weeks.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And rolls right into tomorrow's time trial. Yeah. Which we'll save to the end of the second half of the show because it. Where this all stacks out with the general classification starting position for tomorrow. I think it's super important. We'll. We'll kind of use some data points from the Dolphin A which was the last significant run up to this tour, which had all, you know, the, the big three in it. This is Tati Pogaar sitting. Yeah, right where he wants to be.
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George Baldoni
I'd say the head to head battle between UAE Visma was close. Obviously Tade won the stage. Almeida was MVP of the stage. I mean the pull he took on the second to last climb. Still finishing in the first group. Not losing any time where we saw Remco lose time. But on the other side, Matteo Jorgensen, super strong, was right there. Lost a few seconds there, but not a huge deal. But going for the win. T spa Newt Campenaz. These guys were throwing Alpecin.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, they had interest as well.
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George Baldoni
Yeah, for sure they had interest. And Vanipo was right there. Looked like he was going to win the stage, but legs ran out of gas there in the final 50 meters.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean that, that shows you the difference of a guy who can. It's hard for everybody, we know that, but that's the difference between going that deep, going that hard and just Having that much more. I mean, obviously Pogachar is a champ, right. And he loves a finish line and he's fast. Right. He's not just a climber. He's not just a GC rider. He's also fast and he had enough.
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George Baldoni
Well, let's not forget every race, essentially every race we've watched this year when Poguchar does that near the finish, seeing the douches, nobody can follow. Only Amstel goal race were they able to bring him back. So in my mind it's kind of exciting. I mean, Jonas was still on the wheel, Remco and all these guys were just behind. They brought him back. Tomorrow's a time trial. I mean, there's still a race going on here. It's not the dominance that we've witnessed in all the classics this year, so. And of course we haven't hit the big mountains yet, so we can't really say that. But up until stage four, it's still a super exciting race.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Just real quick on your MVP of the day. Jaw all made a little known fact. Grew up in Atlanta, right? It's pretty cool.
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George Baldoni
That's not true.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I thought he grew up in Atlanta.
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George Baldoni
No, that's. That's the other. That's the Spanish guy also in UAE and Spencer helped me out. Oh, what's his ayuso Juan I uso.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Grew up in Atlanta. Grew up in Atlanta.
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George Baldoni
Almeida grew up in Portugal. A little bit different.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Portugal. Spencer. Speaking of Spencer, he would tell you and I, and I agree with Spencer that Almeida is the third best stage racer in the world. Is that what you said, Spencer? I believe that's what you said.
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Lance Armstrong
Most successful this year, isn't he?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And we're not going to see that play out. But you can imagine a world where he is on another team, perhaps a Red Bull or an ineos. Right?
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George Baldoni
Yeah. I mean what he did today was incredible. Incredibly impressive.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
That's so funny. I thought he grew up in Atlanta.
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George Baldoni
Pacing up that climb. Yes, he was able to get on the wheels of Remco and all those and sort of recover while they were chasing back to Jonas and Poguchar, but then made all the difference in the final climb. Chased down Jurgensen and not only chase him down, but he did like the perfect chase down where he didn't go right after him. He kind of reeled them in nice and easy to leave some in the tank to be able to lead out Poguchar for the actual sprint. So it's easy to watch that on tv. Go Nah, it looks pretty chill, but that is incredibly difficult to do. And he, I mean, he pulled it off perfectly.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I think my hard drive is a little screwed up because I'm realizing I didn't get the memo on the T shirts. Look at you. I mean, how did I not? You guys just leaving me out here. Whole dum dum here on the end. Just stick him over there, put him in black.
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George Baldoni
Yeah. You seemed off to. You always slept in late. He wasn't made.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I'm behind on sleep.
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George Baldoni
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
That's a fact.
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George Baldoni
Me too.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah? Yeah. How's your sleep? Good.
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Lance Armstrong
Really good.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
It is. You look rested.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, I'm still a little bit jet lagged, but other than that I'm good.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Jet lag, altitude. There's a lot going on. Who you know, I want to give a special shout out. Lenny Martinez, back from the dead. This guy was day one finished with the broom wagon. There's a guy who makes millions of dollars a year on that team. He's a great writer, comes from a great family of riders. You're not supposed to finish with the broom wagon. In the first stage of the Tour de France. He looked good.
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George Baldoni
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean, that shows how tough a young kid looks.
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George Baldoni
They mentioned on TV he just had a bad day. He wasn't sick and he's kind of prone to having these bad days.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
That's a bad day. That's a real bad day.
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George Baldoni
But he bounces back. I mean, in Dauphin, I believe Christian Vanibel mentioned that he made the similar to the first day the Tour de France was in the Groupetto. One day in Dauphine, the next day won the Queen stage. I mean, so the dude's got definite swings in performances, but, you know, if you get a win, that's all that matters.
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Lance Armstrong
Another bad day for Rollich as well.
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George Baldoni
I know, I was bummed about that. But you mentioned something where he said somewhere that he didn't really care.
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Lance Armstrong
He's been playing off in interviews. Yeah. Saying he's just here to make sure he gets round and he's not that bothered about having a Tour de France on his palmares. And yeah, he's made some sort of bizarre comments which could be viewed as him, you know, deflecting the pressures and the, you know, what we talk about every day with him. But he's running out of chances.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I was going to say the results are not that they're not reflective of. Of deflecting. No. Right. The results are. I think he's living up to what he's. He's saying. He's such a likable writer. Matthew Vanderpool stays in yellow. I think we all thought for a hot minute, same time, same time. Which. Yeah, we'll talk about the time trial and as we get as the tt obviously very technical event. The bikes are technical, the skin suits are technical. We'll talk later on in the show about just how snobby is the word I would use these riders get with having to use the race issued skin suit.
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George Baldoni
Yeah, well, all these skin suits are. I know, right?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Custom made, custom fit, tested in the tunnel.
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George Baldoni
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Right. Now all of a sudden you've got something they pull out of a bag and say, here, good luck, young man.
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George Baldoni
Yeah. Didn't you, didn't you make your own skin suit once and they didn't let you wear it, did I?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know, I don't remember.
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George Baldoni
I believe you made a yellow jersey skin suit that you had made by Nike that was custom fit to you, but they didn't let you wear it. Johan would know.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I saw. Before we go to commercial break for Peacock, I saw another interesting headline. Obviously a lot of talk yesterday about the CRE crash of Jasper Phillips and terrible, terribly unfortunate, not just for him, his team, but the entire race. Broken collarbone, out of the race. Cocard gets a lot of the. Seems to have received most of the blame for that crash. I still am on the. On the fence and or almost in support of him with a lot going on. But Team Kofidis was just sick of it. They're sick of, they're sick of the social media haters. They are going to take action. They are going to sue haters. I know, but this is breaking news because if you're allowed to sue haters on social media, I mean, G and.
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George Baldoni
I have already been on Zillow social media.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
We've been on Zillow. There's a 45 million dollar thing up on Red Mountain.
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George Baldoni
We're looking at yachts. Yeezys. Yeezys, maybe Jizzies gonna be crazy.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean, if that's a thing, Kofi is.
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George Baldoni
Good luck.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Y' all better watch out. We'll be right back.
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George Baldoni
All right.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And we're back. Bradley. We were watching the final and this always happens. Like there's days where. Wait, who is that? You know, as this sport does evolve quite quickly, notice this young rider on what used to be Team dsm, this young kid, Oscar Onley. And everybody's like, who's Oscar Onley?
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Lance Armstrong
He's great, good young kid. Second Tour de France, 22 years of age from the Scottish Borders. Won a stage in the Tour Down Under.
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George Baldoni
Sorry, is it hilly there?
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Lance Armstrong
Very hilly, yeah, it's hilly, yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
He won the stage in the Tour down under last year. Third at the Tourist Swiss this year.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
So he's, you know, 22 years old.
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Lance Armstrong
22 years old. Big talent. He's been well to the four the last couple of days.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And he's been on that team, if.
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Lance Armstrong
You go, since his development days.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, he's been there very early on. You think a guy like him maybe comes up through the ranks of perhaps an ineos or somewhere from. From his parts, and they spotted him very early. This kid was there.
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George Baldoni
Yeah. Not to mention, I mean, now we have a really interesting, exciting young rider battle going on. I mean, if you're messing with me. No, I'm dead serious. Even pool, I mean, these guys are skelmos. I mean, four guys that have won World cups, Olympics, all kinds of stuff. That is the. The future. Okay. We talked about how young Tade is and how young the riders winning the Tour de France is, but this, look at this list of four riders at the top of the overall young rider standings. Exciting stuff. And they're going to be battling it out for a while. I mean, arguably Remco will take it over tomorrow, but still, I think it's going to be a battle for the next few weeks.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Another interesting thing, a point Spencer brought up was. And this. I've been reading these headlines for. For a couple years now, but. And this completely flies in the face of what we grew up racing on in terms of crank length. You know, I basically always rode 175s. You probably did too. Sean Yates was always riding 180s, I think. And the thought back then was in Drain Road, 185S.185. So longer cranks slash. Or another way to say that would be a longer lever. Yeah, they're going shorter and shorter. And we're hearing Jonas is riding 160s. Apparently at the Dolphin A, somebody walked up to the team car, measured his time trial by cranks, and they were 155s just going. I don't know.
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George Baldoni
On the time trial. Would you go bigger on your time trial bike?
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Lance Armstrong
I mean, back I had 177s across the board.
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George Baldoni
Across the board, yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah. But when I did the hour record, it was the first time this new information was coming through that it reduces your sort of drag and kind of shortens you, doesn't it? Kind of coming down shorter and. And it was a better way of producing power. Because it alleviates the dead spot, supposedly. So I rode 1 70s in my hour record attempt.
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George Baldoni
Really?
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Lance Armstrong
Which was when this information was coming through. This sort of new.
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George Baldoni
And how long did it take you to get used to that?
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Lance Armstrong
It took a while because you've got to drop your saddle. You've got it. It your knees don't come up as high, you're going to shorten everything. You can go lower at the front end.
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George Baldoni
So did you switch over on the road too or just your.
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Lance Armstrong
I just switched on the road to try and get used to that.
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George Baldoni
Yeah. That's interesting. One of these days. One of these days during a boring stage, we need to talk about the arrow record because that's the hardest thing you can do in cycling.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. You said it was an attempt. I don't think it was an attempt. Was it? I mean, it was. You were successful. I did it. Okay, then that's not an attempt.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah. The guy who took my art record was doing a great job on the front today. Victor Campenaz.
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George Baldoni
That's right.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, he was.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Love this guy. He was the show. The listeners know. I love the show. Camping artist.
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Lance Armstrong
No, he did a great job.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean, almost like he's.
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George Baldoni
Victor, listen up. Wearing like many people.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
So that's a huge compliment. Very true. But be nice to people. Almost like he was wearing a visor. Was I making that up? That helmet he had on?
- [24:29]
Lance Armstrong
I think it does have clear visor.
- [24:31]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
It was a clear visor.
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George Baldoni
Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
Dang.
- [24:35]
George Baldoni
Our friends over at Equi have the helmet with the visor now as well. So I don't know if that was an Equi helmet or not, but that's definitely the trend.
- [24:41]
Lance Armstrong
No, they're riding another brand.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
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- [26:32]
George Baldoni
You want me to wear it tomorrow?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
He got his name.
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George Baldoni
Y' all write in, see if you want to see it, I'll wear it.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yes. Yes or no.
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George Baldoni
On.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
On Baldoni's hat. But it got suckered.
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Lance Armstrong
I think it's suit.
- [26:45]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Just like all the other bachelorette parties.
- [26:47]
George Baldoni
Which, by the way, Okay, I mentioned the other day, I would love for you to just say three nice things to me every day moving forward, just something nice I did.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You ready?
- [26:55]
George Baldoni
Okay, go.
- [26:55]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Okay. Number one, thanks for making the coffee this morning.
- [26:58]
George Baldoni
Okay, one. Y' all heard it. I don't have to think that hard.
- [27:02]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Come on, Bradley, help me out here.
- [27:04]
George Baldoni
The other thing I did, which is.
- [27:05]
Lance Armstrong
The toilet this morning, wasn't it? Who was that?
- [27:07]
George Baldoni
That was him. The other thing, which I did, and then you. You criticized the way I did it.
- [27:14]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
What?
- [27:14]
George Baldoni
I packed our bikes to go, because.
- [27:17]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
We'Re gonna ride straight from the show here. And so we had to put the bikes in the car. I went out. Well, first of all, I went outside, and the back of my car was open. I was like, that's weird. Did I leave the back open? And I was like, no, surely he didn't pack the bikes. And I walked around and I looked inside. Well, packing would be a generous way of describing it. It's more like he chunked them in the back of the car.
- [27:38]
George Baldoni
I had the wheel bag separating. I thought I did a good job. You know, I was just trying to, like, expedite our departure.
- [27:44]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
All right, number two, thanks for packing the bikes.
- [27:46]
George Baldoni
You're welcome. Okay, that's it. I only got two.
- [27:50]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
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George Baldoni
And you did compliment me on the hat.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
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George Baldoni
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- [29:17]
Lance Armstrong
Long was long for the current era.
- [29:19]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
But for this era you're. No, I'm not. I completely agree. I also disagree. I think that they should have listen to think that we're going to do a throwback and have 100km of individual time trialing. I get it. We're not going to do that. But in a sport like this and an event like this, might you have one 50 kilometer time trial? I think we should.
- [29:42]
George Baldoni
Yeah. That was super common. Back in our day, 56, we had 250s. Yeah.
- [29:46]
Lance Armstrong
You know you have, you have disciplines for world titles, don't you? So we have a world time trial title.
- [29:51]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yep.
- [29:51]
Lance Armstrong
So I think that should reflect a stage in a Grand Tour like the Tour de France where you have a lengthy time trial that suits the specialists. We have every other stage that suits. Suits climbers, sprinters, etc.
- [30:03]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And of course, you know, if you would imagine a world where it was longer a la the World Championships, you would. You would immediately start to look to a Filippo Ghana or a Bissinger. Yeah. Who of course are out of the race. So now we go back to these overall contenders who are arguably the contenders for the win stage. Win tomorrow.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Remco, Tade and even Vingegaard.
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George Baldoni
Yeah. So. And I feel like we should break down what happened a few weeks ago. The Dauphine where Remco put 48 seconds into today in a 17k TT tomorrow's 30k. So you know if he keeps that sort of separation the gap that's going to he could maybe even be back into the yellow jersey. He'd be hard. Yeah, it would be hard. I agree. The levels probably changed a bit. Jonas put 20, 28 seconds into today in a 17k TT. Tomorrow's 30k. So I mean think about this is very exciting to the anticipation onto what's going to happen tomorrow is huge. I mean we're all going to be glued to the TV because it's going to play a huge factor in what happens in the rest of the Tour de France.
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Lance Armstrong
And that time Tron the Dofen had a climb in it. This one is pretty much flat.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Looks fast and it's fast. Yep, looks fast. Yeah. Sir Bradley, what if you had to guess right with the length looking at the profile it's not an out and back there. There are some turns, there are some technical pieces. Take a guess at the average speed of the winner.
- [31:29]
Lance Armstrong
Well I'm looking at something like 38 to 40 minutes tomorrow.
- [31:33]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Okay.
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Lance Armstrong
Which will be, I don't know, I mean 53, 54 kilometers an hour I reckon tomorrow.
- [31:40]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, that is moving.
- [31:41]
George Baldoni
Yeah, that is moving. And Remco lost three seconds today but he looked good. I mean he was right up there with those guys.
- [31:47]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
He single handedly this is a terrible way to run into an event.
- [31:52]
George Baldoni
It is but his, he has confidence. In the time trial he singly single handedly chased down Jonas and Pogi because nobody was going to help him. So he closed the gap. Think about that. That's no easy task and yeah he probably paid for it a bit at the finish line losing three seconds, not that significant. But he's coming around. I think he's going to, I think he's going to.
- [32:12]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
So he's your favorite for the.
- [32:13]
George Baldoni
Yeah, he's my favorite for sure. What do you think Spencer? What do you think about that? Nobody mentioned him having to close that gap because everybody else had teammates in there. I think that's a huge deal and a very difficult task.
- [32:24]
D
Yeah, it's a good point George. I, I, I don't want to give my pick away but yeah he wouldn't be a bad a bad prospect to win tomorrow in the tt.
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George Baldoni
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Can I just say I, I, I'm yet again this is getting it. This is, I'm pretty now I'm really hurt. Hurt. Not, not insulted. These are hurt feelings. Look, Spencer got the memo right.
- [32:49]
George Baldoni
We got a side that's going On.
- [32:51]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
What the. What is going on?
- [32:52]
D
You had, like, secret dinner last night.
- [32:54]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
This is. I mean, y' all look cute and all, but this is. This is dumb.
- [32:58]
George Baldoni
All right?
- [32:58]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
This started out as my podcast. I realize now it's not right. Mr. Popular down there at the end, the legend right here in the middle. Yeah, and I'm just gonna. What am I left to do, huh? Sue haters on social media? That's all I got. I mean, y' all are clearly ganging up on whatever. By the way, Spencer. Well, while we. Gotcha, you just continue to print money over there at Outcomes. What is going on here? You keep picking them. Poor Johan Berniel the guy that, you know, we've been on the record. This guy knows more than anybody in cycling. Oh, he's the sensei. He's the duh duh duh man. You are destroying him. When it comes to outcomes. How much are we up? I'm talking about buying yizzies and jizzies. How much are you up so far on Outcomes? Well, another correct prediction today.
- [33:47]
D
Yuan could make a comeback. He's not out of it, but. Yeah, I picked the third three days in a row. You don't get many of those. But Pagatra, we actually recorded outcomes twice yesterday. We had a technical issue on the first one. Had to do a second run at it. Pogatro's odds got better. He was 350 by the time we did the second recording. That's when I put my money in and he won. I returned US$450 for a profit of 350. I've put out a total of 480 so far during this tour and have collected back 1,020. I'm up 112% over four days. It's like 10,000% annually. The fund might be opening in the next few days, but you do have to stay humble in day to sports betting. You're not going to get many runs like this. But then also Johan and I have an index where I bundle us together. If you're a more conservative investor, you just want to play the whole market. And our index is up, so that's good news, too.
- [34:41]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Warren Buffet, eat your heart out.
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D
I don't know if we're ready to take a run at Buffett yet.
- [34:48]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
- [34:53]
George Baldoni
Everybody was with the orange T shirt is on is in that fun, by the way.
- [34:57]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, that's how you know. That's how you know the guys that are really that have just schmoozed up to the, to the new sensei over there. They get the T shirt.
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D
Lord, we're gonna get over leveraged. We'll be out of business by stage 20 if we get too far off our feet here.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Hey, before I forget, I meant, I meant to say this yesterday and we've done this in years past. If you have any questions for the show, myself, sir, Bradley, George, even Spencer, just send us your questions to Infoweedo team Infoedo team and we'll look through them and ask them. Look, we're going to have some boring days coming up. Let's be real, let's be honest.
- [35:38]
George Baldoni
I think if we can quickly run down, I mean for our viewers, I think it'd be really interesting for them to know what time trial favorites and GC favorites like yourselves right here would do in a stage like tomorrow. Getting ready for it after a hard four days of racing. Walk us through the morning, the pre ride, the warm up. I think that'd be kind of interesting for our viewers.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, I mean after a stage like today I would have worn down on my time trial bike.
- [36:03]
George Baldoni
That's right.
- [36:05]
Lance Armstrong
Because it would. Well these guys have only had five days since, since the start of the race. So they would have got one couple of last outings on their time trial bike. But the really the mental state that you get yourself in starts now. You know, the night before and you know, breaking down the route, starting to get into that mindset of warming up and getting on the bike in the morning because you'll have a late start if you're terribly maybe ride your bike, certainly ride your time trial bike tomorrow at some point they'll go maybe look at parts of the course because they'll be barriered and if they've recceed this course early in the year or before the Tour de France, you won't get an idea of the raceline, etc. So tomorrow is really just about getting into that mindset of going out and hurting yourself as much as possible and the mental focus that it takes, I mean Tad is going to be off.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Late, he's going to be chasing last rider. This is, I was going to come over the top there. Structure of the day totally different. They've been starting more or less every day at noon. Right. Matthew Vanderpool will go off last at 5pm so thought it will be 4:58pm I mean that just completely disrupts the day and your engine. So yeah, yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
Time trial day is a lonely day.
- [37:16]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
- [37:16]
Lance Armstrong
I always find but that they were the best days I enjoyed those amazing isolation, waiting. Try not to think about it too much. Just going through that process all day, thinking about. Not thinking about the outcome, but thinking about the process. From the minute you start warming up to get into the start ramp, you know they'll, they'll come make eye contact at the start ramp. Venus, Vingal and Tade watching Eunice go off two minutes ahead of him and then getting in the start house and then going out and executing that process. So you'll break the course down even though it's 33km. You'll only be thinking maybe the first 8km outside of town making the left rights. The DS will be giving that information. And then it's just getting into your zone while you're out there and holding power and correlating it with speed the whole time. Make, you know, really seeing how A to B as fast as possible on each part of the course where you're going to make the time gaps, there's no point. So smashing it downhill, that's a straight line because everyone's doing 65k an hour. So it's really dissecting where you're going to make those time gains. And, and Tado is one of the best in the world at the Tour de France.
- [38:14]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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George Baldoni
And were you watching your watts during.
- [38:17]
Lance Armstrong
Always watts correlated with speed, correlate with speed.
- [38:19]
George Baldoni
Okay. And then. So how would you judge the pace? Like on a climb when you had a downhill coming, what would you do with your watts on the downhill? Will you use it for recovery or just. You'd use it, try to hold high speed, low watts.
- [38:31]
Lance Armstrong
I mean, you've really got to feel it.
- [38:33]
George Baldoni
Yeah.
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Lance Armstrong
You know, there's no point putting 500 watts out downhill when you're not going to gain any more speed. Someone else doing 400 watts with a great position who's also doing the same speed. You know, there's no real climbs on here, so it's really just a case of it's. It's sitting on that high end of threshold, really. And any small incline, if it's 1%, 2% at certain weights, you know, that's where you've got to maximize. And that's what's the difference between. So he makes a good time just. And someone who's got the power but doesn't really get it out in time trials.
- [39:02]
George Baldoni
I got one more question. I'm like nerding out on this TT stuff. I think it's super interesting. Also talk about how much more refined the warm up has gotten. The actual warm up right it went back in the day. We jump on maybe right in the morning, then jump on the train and ride for like an hour, do some spin up. Now it's like the timing is absolutely timed out.
- [39:18]
Lance Armstrong
Well, that's exactly it. You know, why would you ride for an hour before a time trial? Because it's, you know, the clues in the name. It's a warm up. So you know, you would, you would do five or six minutes just rolling and then you would get into zone two powers for five or six minutes. Then you would get into a three or four minute block of threshold, come off, ride easy for a few minutes and then get some 30 second surges at high empowered to really open that system up. And then a few minutes warm down and finish. Exactly 10 minutes before your start ramp.
- [39:45]
George Baldoni
Yeah.
- [39:45]
Lance Armstrong
Last few bits on skin. Suit up whatever it is you want to do to do. Last gel before you go up to the ramp because this is pure car burning tomorrow.
- [39:51]
George Baldoni
Yeah.
- [39:52]
Lance Armstrong
And then get to the starhouse, five or six minutes, bike check. Sitting in that where they'll have the cool ice jackets on to keep the body temperature down. And then it's just visualizing that whole time, visualizing how you're going to feel when you get down that ramp. Visualizing Eunice 2 minutes up the road. And at some point are you going to see his cars on those long straight roads? I think how you know a lot of them?
- [40:09]
George Baldoni
Look at, look at the map, ladies and gentlemen. That's why you come to the movie.
- [40:13]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
That's, that's Sir Bradley. I mean I'm just sitting here going, my man, my man. Right, that's my man. Just preach. I was just leaning back going, damn, love it. I mean I won a couple of these things. I never thought about it that way. I don't.
- [40:25]
Lance Armstrong
Well, I got a little story. 2012, I rolled down the well, I went into the start house, yellow jersey. Cadell was two minutes ahead of me.
- [40:32]
George Baldoni
Yeah.
- [40:32]
Lance Armstrong
And just before Cadell went into the start house. I'd see you in a bit, mate.
- [40:38]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
That's a real asshole thing to say. Oh man, I would never have said that to you anybody.
- [40:43]
George Baldoni
That's funny.
- [40:43]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And did you see him in a minute?
- [40:45]
Lance Armstrong
I, I, I, I, I got 30 within 30 seconds of him, I think.
- [40:49]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. So I've made up a minute.
- [40:50]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, I could see him in the final and I, I nearly caught him.
- [40:53]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
What's going on back here? Who's that? Cadell.
- [40:57]
Lance Armstrong
He's Welsh.
- [40:58]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Is he? I don't know what he's all, I don't know what he is? Actually, no, he's Swiss.
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George Baldoni
He was also very, very particular when it came to time trialing in details. I mean, the guy was, would study the race bible like nobody else.
- [41:11]
Lance Armstrong
He's a phenomenal athlete.
- [41:12]
George Baldoni
Yeah, he was incredible.
- [41:13]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Damn. Goodbye Chrysler. Yeah. Another interesting thing. First rider goes off at 1 o'. Clock. I always liked if I had the time and, and of course it helps when the start and finish are in the same place. I always like to jump in the car and follow one of, one of the guys on the team just to see because to your point, Bradley, you can go preview this, this, this course, you know, it doesn't matter the month. You're right. There are no barriers, the corners don't get narrow and all of a sudden you get in the race and you're like, oh, road furniture. They just narrowed this thing up. Who put that barrier, that barricade there? So I would always go sit in the car behind you, try to pick a guy who's a stronger time trial. So you could see somebody taking these corners at speed and just kind of sit there. Be an opportunity also to catch up with Johan and our sort of reflections and thoughts about the course as we followed a guy like Pena, for example, and we would encourage him to race all out so that you could follow a guy attacking the course at speed.
- [42:12]
George Baldoni
Loving the prologue as well. You'd follow me once in a while in prologues.
- [42:15]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Cheer for you.
- [42:15]
George Baldoni
Before you say something, Bradley, the other thing you mentioned I think is extremely important is the focus and the visualization.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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George Baldoni
Because no matter how many times you've done that time trial course and you know it in your head, it's completely different when you got 20 deep on each side for 25 kilometers. I mean, people screaming in your ears. It's it. So the visualization and the focus is as important as anything else.
- [42:35]
Lance Armstrong
It is. But you can use that to fuel, you know, your, your focus as well. You know, it's, it's, it's quite an incredible thing. And the other thing with the Tour de France time trials is, is it seems to take the whole day because the first ride is off at five past one and by the time you're off at five o', clock, there's a lot that can happen with wind direction. You know, the wind getting weather, the wind dropping and it's. So you tend to be racing the people around you, which for the GC battle is your, your main rivals. It's not like Eunice is off three hours before you like a prologue where you get to choose where you go.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Off y three time checks tomorrow. So in a what you say, 38, 40 minute effort. Yeah, you're talking about three time checks. Your taade, you're getting a lot of information pretty early on. I always love that. Like, I mean, yes, you can start to see somebody up the road start to see the tail of their caravan, but those actual time checks.
- [43:25]
Lance Armstrong
But time checks I always found were just confirmation of what you already knew. You should be, you should have had sort of prior knowledge based on what you were doing, speed and power, that the time check is confirmation. So if you're six seconds down on someone and you know you've been running at 460, 470 watts, hitting 61, 62Ks now on the straights and they're six seconds up, you think they've gone out too fast. They've gone out too fast here. This isn't something where you get six seconds ago, I've got to pick the pace up now. You know, you should be running from a ton, be as fast as possible and your strategy is that you shouldn't have any in the time race to it.
- [43:54]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Ride your wrist.
- [43:55]
Lance Armstrong
So it's. Yeah, there's a lot to dissect.
- [43:58]
George Baldoni
Love that man.
- [43:59]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
I'm just, I'm gonna start sitting back there with Spencer. I'm honest to God, we might, we might give you a long race.
- [44:05]
George Baldoni
It's three weeks I've been doing this for him.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
This has been a long time we've been at this. I don't think anybody would mind if I just went and chilled. Took an early tee time. A lot of these days just let you guys fire because this, my friends, I'm just telling you, sitting over here, amazing. So thank you for that today. It's time for today's Ventum trivia. Yesterday's question history was made at the finish of stage three of the 2024 Tour de France. What happened? Pretty much everybody knew this one. Binyan Guermail became the first Eritrean to win a stage in the Tour de France. Stage four's question While not a famous summit in the Tour, stage 44 features the Cote Jacques Onquetil, a 2.6 kilometer category 4 climb named after the French cyclist Jacques Onquetil. What two things? Here's the question. What two things did Anquetil accomplish to get this climb named in his honor? That's our Ventum trivia question of the day.
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George Baldoni
Wow.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I'm still sort of speechless. I love. I was seriously nerd. I don't nerd out about bikes ever, ever. Nothing gets me interested. No, I shouldn't say that. That was interesting yesterday. This talk of, you know, breaking down the lead outs for cab. The way his little quirks and his intricacies and. And the cues, man, I was on the edge of my seat and I just got it again today.
- [45:29]
George Baldoni
Yeah, so did I.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Damn.
- [45:32]
George Baldoni
All right.
- [45:33]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
What else do we have to talk about?
- [45:34]
George Baldoni
I think we're. We're good.
- [45:35]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
We're done. Time to go for a bike.
- [45:38]
George Baldoni
Ended on a high.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. That was amazing. All right, everybody, thank you so much for tuning in. We will see you tomorrow, see how this all plays out. What happens. Right. Can Remco win the stage? I think he's on his heels. I do. I think if I were, you know, sitting on a. On a show with Johan and Spencer over there at Outcomes, I'd probably. I think Tadde Poguchar wins this time trial.
- [46:01]
George Baldoni
But if you invest in the Spencer and Johan outcome show, you get a T shirt with an orange logo. Remember that. You know what?
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Lance Armstrong
I'm gonna go with Jonas tomorrow.
- [46:11]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
I don't hate that pick. That would be. Oh, I like.
- [46:14]
Lance Armstrong
That's going to spice this GCL for.
- [46:17]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
The dynamic of the race, for the drama, for the interest. That would be incredible.
- [46:22]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean, then, you know, right now, momentum has switched his address. Mr. Momentum. And let's be honest, Jonas Wingergaard got dropped today. He did. He looked. He looked back. He could not hold the wheel now. He got back. I get it. No, he couldn't. He couldn't hold the wheel of Tati.
- [46:42]
George Baldoni
I'm just telling you, he is thinking about that certainty.
- [46:46]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
He's thinking about it right now. I promise you.
- [46:49]
George Baldoni
Right.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
That's not supposed to happen in. In his world. That would be a real disruption to this race, which is amazing. So. All right, everybody, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you tomorrow. Sam.