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Lance, George, and Sir Bradley Wiggins break down the first individual time trial of the 2025 Tour de France, which saw Remco Evenepoel win the stage with his unmatched aerodynamic position and Tadej Pogačar take Yellow after scorching through the...
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I mean, I think it's more a case of where did Visma go from here? Because, you know, we saw Jonas doing everything in his power the first few days to remain at zero time to Tade and he's right on his back wheel the whole time. Finished second to him, finished third up. That climb yesterday when Tade moved on that climb, Jonas was right on him and he was doing everything in his powers to. To minimize losing any time whatsoever. So today's took a packet of time. So do. Did you expect to be in the position he's in now or was this anticipated from Yunus? Only Yunus will be able to tell you that if he expected to get closer to Tally than he did or if not beat him, then, you know, he's got to now contemplate where do I go from here? And that is a team thing now because Mato is right on his heels. And as Mato has shown this year and last year, he's capable of a podium in this tour of France.
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George Hincapie
All right, everybody, welcome back to the Move podcast. Talking about stage five. Aland, where'd we go? Stage five. From calm to calm.
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Bradley Wiggins
From.
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George Hincapie
Pretty easy day for Alan, that one. You know, Remco of Enable proving why he is the Olympic champion and the world champion in the time trial. Exceptional performance. But actually, well, I guess it was a day of quite a few exceptional performances and some not so exceptional performances. We're going to get into all that. But before we do, today's show, brought to you by Zwift. Hey, y' all see those cool headphones that Alpecin was rocking during the warm up? Got them right here in front of us. So Zwift is. And this is new intel for me, coming out with headphones. And I always thought about this, like, if you're on Zwift and your whatever headphone you're using and you're. You're indoors, right? You can have all the fans on you want, but you're sweating like crazy. They. They decided to fix that situation. Waterproof, sweatproof, extreme noise canceling. Premium sound. Ultra long battery life. Better for you, George, since you. George is doing like six hours.
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Spencer Martin
Premium sound. They sound amazing. I already checked them out. Yeah, you already hooked them up.
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George Hincapie
Oh, yeah, by the way, too Remco eventable. Today's winner is a level 46 on Zwift with over 9000 km ridden. Cool thing is you don't have to stop at any red lights, you don't have to dodge any cars. Plus, it's a great community. I Would love one day for Remco to join us for one of the we do Wednesday club rides or the suffer Sundays. They're doing good stuff over there in Swift. Also today, speaking of sweat, I'm a level 47.
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Spencer Martin
I just checked.
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George Hincapie
Are you level 47 and he's level 46?
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Spencer Martin
No way. Because. Yeah, I guess so.
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George Hincapie
And we were. Before we went on the show, we were just discussing. I. I just. Side note, I rode with George yesterday and at the top, we did a.
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Spencer Martin
Long climb and he dumped me, y'.
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Bradley Wiggins
All.
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Spencer Martin
He dumped me. He said he no longer wants to ride with me.
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George Hincapie
No, at the top, I got half wheeled and this is the. This isn't a joke. I. I was half wheeled the entire way up the climb.
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Spencer Martin
So not true.
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George Hincapie
And I, I wasn't happy. I. I just wasn't enjoying it. At this point in our lives, we should enjoy writing. And I hated every second of it. And I got up there and I said, you know, I think I'm done writing with you. So, I mean. And I mean it. And I'm not. You don't even have anything to say. And I was.
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Spencer Martin
No, I said I was highly disappointed by that comment and I hope that it's not true and that we do some more writing this month.
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George Hincapie
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, Remco, I mean, he showed us today why he is the champion. He is. And you know, to execute a performance like that after the last few days where he had a tumble, lost some time. He lost three seconds in that final run in yesterday to get himself together, to compose himself, to go out outside of the. The GC battle, as it were. He went off before those guys because of his GC position against Afeni, who went off earlier in the day where the weather changed a little bit in terms of wind direction. And to execute a performance like that, knowing he was down at those first few splits on a Feeney. But to put that, you know, from the third split to the finish together, the way he did his judgment in the corners, the race line he was taking, it was fantastic. And it was a real, real great performance from Remco. And he's put himself right back now in the mix for the next few weeks.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, and I agree, he held his composure. Like you said yesterday, the race is a race within yourself. You'd always watch your watts and your speed and not panicking. When he was down in those first time splits, what we all thought was kind of a surprise, but like you said, the weather was different, the wind was different.
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George Hincapie
But.
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Spencer Martin
But, man, to pull it off with the whole world expecting you to win is even more impressive.
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George Hincapie
His ride puts him up or moves him up into second place on GC 42 seconds down on Tade Pogaar. Kevin Vacalan, who we're going to talk about who had a hell of a ride he's had. This kid has been just sort of getting better and better every year. And the French, I think, for decades. Well, I know for decades, have been looking for the next great French rider. I don't think they've necessarily looked at him. When you read all the articles and read all the buzz, he's viewed as a good rider. He's now third in the Tour de France. He had an excellent time trial, finished fifth, and this is a couple years in a row that he's ridden at the front of the race in the Tour. Set to leave that team, a relatively small team, relatively small French team set to leave next year. There's a lot of speculation on where he ends up. To me, I think that's. That's sort of a tipping point in his career. Depending upon where he goes, the structure, the training, the support, you could see this kid can be.
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Spencer Martin
You'd think a team like AG2R Decathlon, or now it's just decathlon, I believe. I mean, they just announced they're going to up their budget to 40 million next year and they have this young rock star sexist. Yeah, I mean, why would they not go after a guy who's already won a stage of the Tour de France, is sitting in third place overall in the. Overall right now in the Tour de France? You know, you'd think they'd go after him pretty hard. So who knows where he ends up?
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George Hincapie
I mean, I don't think that's. That is a question. That wouldn't be my question. My question would probably be, why would he go there? I mean, showing the promise that he showed the last two years and the progress he showed the last two years, I'd go somewhere else.
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Spencer Martin
You wouldn't go to an American team that up their budget to 40 million? I'd say yes.
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George Hincapie
I don't know, man. I mean, you an ineos a Red Bull.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. I mean, we saw what happened with Lidl. Trek. I mean, when it was just Trek and all of a sudden Lidl came in with a $20 million injection. Now they're winning pretty much every race they enter or most races, and they're the top two, three, four teams in the world. So the money makes the best big difference. And I think we're going to see a huge difference in team decathlon next year.
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George Hincapie
And I think, and I think we all agree the second biggest takeaway, maybe even close to the, to the biggest headline today, was the. Was the disappointing ride from From Jonas vingegaard. He finished 13th on the stage. Well, down if you go 13th, you know, he was a minute and 21 behind. It's just never looked like he was, was having a great ride. And, and, and, and I know this is, I mean, look, you picked him to win yesterday. I, I didn't hate that pick. You have to look at this performance and say something's up.
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Bradley Wiggins
Maybe. I mean, you know, I did hear it said that this is a course that goes against everything that he's good at. You know, it's flat, it was fast, it was very untechnical. But at the same time, you could say the same for today. T. That was Tade's worst, you know, worst idea of what a time trial should look like for a performance of the nature that he did today and he still performed. Tade always delivers when it matters at the Tour de France. And again, I mean, we haven't spoke about Tade yet, but leading in three categories now in all three competitions, it's, you know, to get as close as he did to Remco at the finish line. I mean, again, I said yesterday, we're running out of superlatives for this guy. But it's hard to see anyone now dislodging him over the next two and a half weeks, all being well, crashes, illnesses with the team he has. And now it's, it's back to the drawing board for the likes of Isma. I think in terms of how they now approach this race, in terms of thinking about a win.
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George Hincapie
Yep. And we're going to talk about that because they do have some options. Yeah, this isn't. This isn't. They have options tactically, primarily in and around Matteo Jorgensen. One other fun data point, Tadi Poguchar, from the third time check to the finish, averaged 57 km an hour. I know you were. Yeah. Wondering what the average speed would be. I think they ended up 54, 53.95 kilometers an hour. He rode the last section 57 kilometers an hour.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. And it kind of goes against what everything, everything that Jonas has said that he's come into this Tour with more power, more muscle. So you think this flat, natural, he wouldn't have lost that much time. He was, he came in last year, Tour de France, like Spencer mentioned, with a way worse preparation. Finished fourth in the, in the first time trial, his breakthrough sort of time trial in the Tour de France four years ago, he'd finished second. So this is arguably his worst time trial he's done in a long time that said, he did say he did his best one minute power yesterday on the climb.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. But that might have something to do with it. So perhaps the damage you do from those type of efforts going into something like this, where you've got to ride 33, 34, 35, six minutes on that, right on that fine line, threshold, high end of threshold. He's going to have paid that price. And we. That wasn't only there yesterday where we saw him making those kind of efforts. He's been like that since the start. And we did wonder whether he was doing too much at one point.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
Well, in the second half of the show, we're going to talk about tomorrow's stage, so just hold that thought. Yeah, right. I, I hadn't even jumped ahead to tomorrow, and then when I opened the profile, I thought, oh, Lord. Yeah, so there's going to be more. More of that, Right. It's like the Gansu knife. But wait.
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Spencer Martin
That's right. But wait, there's more.
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George Hincapie
There is more. You know, another thing that we remarked and I don't know, I think this is. I think the, the coverage is distributed to, like here in the United States, right? The race is. Is covered on Peacock, and in France, it's covered on national television and Italy, whatever, you know, so on and on and on, right? The feed is distributed from the race, right. And so now just, just to back up, you've got a, you've got an individual time trial. You have guys out there all along. The cameras are jumping all over the place. There are the time checks. When I look at the profile and I see three time checks, I get excited as a, as a spectator, I'm like, oh, cool, Right, So let's compare and contrast, right? You got Formula One. There are time checks everywhere, and they are 100% accurate. Right. If you watch the game of golf, for example, which the Open is going to start here in another week, it would be like watching a guy on some hole as they jump to him and you don't know what shot he's hitting. He could be hitting his second, he could be hitting his eighth. We don't know. They were so inaccurate. I mean, to me as a fan and as a viewer, you're just watching, like, how about this? Just immediately streams. We were lost. How hard is it, Bradley?
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Bradley Wiggins
Well, yeah, I mean, we were frustrated, weren't we? Watching it in this day and age with the technology we have that, you know, that instant feedback would be fantastic in terms of just the basics like rolling speed and things like that. And it Was a shame that there was. It was quite a delay in getting that information today. Yeah. On a stage that was as exciting as it was.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. I was following the torch record. They had better sort of live updates than the coverage. But like you said, that makes it a lot more exciting if you're able to get real time.
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George Hincapie
But that to me says that they can do it because that's all coming from same. From the same base.
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Bradley Wiggins
2025. Lance Kosa can do it.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, that's my. I think that is my point. It is 2025 and it would be.
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Spencer Martin
Really interesting to hear the radio, you know, against these guys. We did hear some of it, but we didn't like how they're talking to Kade and how they're talking to Jonas and Remco. That would have been super interesting.
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George Hincapie
Does. So I guess the question for Jonas Vingegaard is where does he go from here? Right. And look, it is early. We've talked a lot, especially in the preview show of how this tour is so weighted when it comes to the high mountains, to the second half of the race. So just keep that in the back of your mind. But if you're him, man, he's on his back foot now, right? He's. He is down. The time that he's down tomorrow is another hard stage. Where do they go from here? And. And you don't have to look very far down the list of riders here. And of course we talk a lot about and are huge fans of Matteo Jorgensen. This is a kid who is on the way up. He did he. Speaking of time checks, from time check three to the finish, he had the fourth fastest time from T3 to the finish. So he was holding some back and then let it rip it. You know, maybe now, now they have to play the team game. Jorgensen can climb. Jorgensen has experience. Jorgensen is on his way up. Like, I think they're going to have to look at some alternate solutions here. Strategically.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I mean, I think it's more a case of where did Visma go from here? Because, you know, we saw Jonas doing everything in his power the first few days to remain at zero time to today. I mean, he's right on his back wheel the whole time. Finished second to him, finished third up. That climb yesterday when Tadde moved on that client, Eunice was right on him and he was doing everything in his powers to. To minimize losing any time whatsoever. So today he's took a packet of time. So did Eunice expect to be in the position he's in now or was this anticipated from Eunice? Only Eunice will be able to tell you that if he expected to get closer to Teddy than he did, or if not beat him, then, you know, he's got to now contemplate where do I go from here? And that is a team thing now because Mateo is really right on his heels and as Mato has shown this year and last year, he's capable of a podium in this Tour of France. So Visma now really have to think about a two pronged attack which could work either way. But Yunus will have to accept that he's now not the main leader. If that's the case, if you says, look, I'm still the leader here and I expect everyone to race for me. We saw the comments made by his wife early in the week. It's going to be interesting where they go from here.
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Spencer Martin
I think he's going to. Well one for sure. He did not expect to lose that much time, especially coming off the Dolphin 8 time trial coming into Tour de France saying that he was stronger than ever. So I believe he's truly super disappointed after today. But I mean he's still climbing really well so far. He's only, he's the only one able to follow Tade and I still think that they're hoping he reaches his peak after stage 10. That's what I think. And I don't see even Jurgensen in his comments, although incredible rider. Want to see him podium at the Tour de France, that'd be amazing. He's got the, the, the talent to podium for sure. But you see some of the interviews that you're. Jurgenton said even yesterday he said when you went, I was looking at my numbers and I thought there's no way I can go. Um, and that's a straight up climb. So once they get those straight up climbs that are 45 minutes long to an hour long, I think the advantage still goes to Jonas.
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George Hincapie
Yeah. And we're dealing with. We're like a broken record. I mean we are dealing with, with what might be the best Tade poker chart we've seen. And just in control. You kind of just sense it and, and that's his vibe. He was in control all across the time trial today.
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Spencer Martin
Well, I wouldn't say the best Tata. I mean he won the time trial last year at the finish, didn't he? The Remco win it. I'm pretty sure today won it. Today won it. So.
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George Hincapie
Yeah. But if you're looking at the season.
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Spencer Martin
I think we all season, of course.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, I mean, he, he's, he's. There's not. We're not seeing any weaknesses.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
And then you layer in his team. His team is exceptional.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. I keep going back to yesterday when it was like the first time he attacked on the final of a climb and didn't ride away from everybody. Yeah, that's like the only hope I have that there's still a chance for, you know, some. Some major competition here in the tour. But, like, all indications are that he is by far the best guy and it's going to be really hard to beat him.
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George Hincapie
That is the one caveat I had about yesterday because we sort of bantered about whether or not Jonas's team said, hey, there's 75 meters left of this climb. You have to close the gap and stay with him. And he did. Or was there. Or was that as hard as Tade could go? And he sat up a little bit. Right. That can also happen. We give him a lot of credit, as we should, but he's also at times has to be human.
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Spencer Martin
Well, he said Jonas said in the, in his interview that he was going way too hard, so he let up a little bit. But then also Poguchar led up a bit. So I think they were both way above their limit.
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George Hincapie
Okay.
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Spencer Martin
So it was kind of. It kind of equaled out there at the top.
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George Hincapie
So there's a glimmer of hope.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yep, there is. There's always a glimmer.
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George Hincapie
I tell you. We talked yesterday about Jonas's crank crank arm length. I never would have thought to look. He was running an exceptionally. From my eyes, a huge chain ring. And it almost. It's almost like the crank links didn't extend much past the chain ring. It looked different and maybe I was just.
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Spencer Martin
It was a 60 tooth chain ring.
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George Hincapie
It was a 60 with what you ever wrote.
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Bradley Wiggins
I rode a 58 of the world championships. Yeah, Yeah.
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Spencer Martin
I mean I've ever ran.
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George Hincapie
Yeah. I mean, after we flagged it yesterday, I was watching, I thought, okay, now, now I see it. It's. Anyways, right quick, we're gonna take a break for Peacock. We'll be right back. We got some fun stuff talking about tomorrow and got some cool questions from the listeners. All right, everybody, we are back. I couldn't help but notice and it took me several hours. It might have been the reason I didn't feel that great on the ride yesterday because I felt so left out in the wardrobe category here on the team. I just couldn't. As we were sitting here chatting earlier, I just Couldn't help but notice that. That now my man down there to the left is left out.
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Spencer Martin
I'm left out. I got dumped from riding with you ever again. And I don't get the blue hoodie.
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George Hincapie
We got the new Foreign Rider hoodies. These things, These things are sick. Foreign Rider.
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Spencer Martin
I love the story of that company.
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George Hincapie
Yeah. Ralph Dunning, the founder, he started. He had a golf brand before called Dunning and sold that business and then started. Started Foreign Rider. And I just. And. And I bought his sweatpants at a. At a pro shop at. In Florida. And I never. My wife eventually was like, it's time for you to take off those sweatpants. I mean, it just got disgusting.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, right.
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George Hincapie
Started dubbing them the Skitties.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah. Now that's all.
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George Hincapie
You know what I'm saying?
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Spencer Martin
Now, I've only. I've been here for one week. You've only have sweatpants on.
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George Hincapie
Right. That's because they're Skitties.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
Got it. Skitty up. And so, so we get. Anyways, we get to know Ralph and he makes us. We do kiss, we do Skitties. And you, Ralph.
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Spencer Martin
Where's my navy? Where's my Navy?
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George Hincapie
I think the issue. Because, you know. But you're an xl, right? You xl. L. You're an L. So we're both L. Yeah. I think he's. I think production's behind on the extra smalls. You got it on your chair.
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Spencer Martin
Oh, man. Missed that joke.
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George Hincapie
Bradley, we're going to talk about. Let's split up. We have some good questions. So I want to. I want to split them up and then we'll talk about tomorrow's stage.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, I do also want to talk about, like you mentioned, where does Visma go from here? If it was me.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, talk to us.
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Spencer Martin
And we haven't been able to make a difference in terms of taje. We're kind of hanging by fourth and fifth place. If it was me, I would hang back until stage 10 now and just try to recover, try to get the team morale back. Ride together, don't lose any more time, but just hold back until they hit the big mountains. That's what I would.
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George Hincapie
I think it's.
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Spencer Martin
I'd love to hear what Johan thinks about that.
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George Hincapie
Okay, sir. Bradley, you can ask him on y' all show. I think it's a great idea. But if you go, if you do venture ahead in the, in the race book, you'll see tomorrow and you'll see the day after to tomorrow, you can do that. But you still can't lose. Time.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
No, these are stages where if you chill too much, you're going to lose time.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
First question is from Alan and I'm going to let you take this one, sir. Bradley, how do you fuel for a time trial? Or how did you fuel for a time trial at your peak? And how has that changed today as we. I mean, and we talk a lot about how fueling in this peloton has really changed. Right. But. But there's no. Unless I'm missing something, I don't think there's any fueling in the middle of a time trial. But what would be your impression of how they fuel today leading up to the time trial? And what, what was your, your strategy?
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Bradley Wiggins
I'm not too sure what they do today, but, you know, 12 years ago, 14 years ago, I was it, you know, your race meal was the same three hours before, one hour and a half before. Take sodium bicarbonate, which is a lactate buffer, and a gel before your warm up, which is predominantly 25 grams of carbohydrate. A gel after your warm up. And then I'd have to up my shorts because I know pockets in my suit. If it was a long time troll, I would have to. If it was a day like today, 33km, you'd still want to take one gel 10 minutes into the time trial and that carb would then come for your system in the next 20, 30 minutes after that. So that was my strategy. I imagine that hasn't changed much because days like today is just pure carb burning 30k timeshaw.
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Spencer Martin
Are you drinking anything on the. On the time?
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Bradley Wiggins
A big swig of something?
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, just one. But a one big swig and you chuck it.
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Bradley Wiggins
So a very concentrated carbohydrate mix.
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Spencer Martin
Okay, but. So only one swig, like half halfway.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, yeah.
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Spencer Martin
Wow.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, just parched.
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Bradley Wiggins
The idea is you're well hydrated before that.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah, yeah.
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George Hincapie
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Spencer Martin
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Spencer Martin
Tomorrow's gonna be a lot like tomorrow's yesterday.
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George Hincapie
All right, if you look at. Let's pull up tomorrow's profile. Now just. And again, you just look at the profile. It looks like a saw blade. You can look at the very top. Total elevation gain. This is in meters. 3550 meters. That is 11,000ft, right? I think in your mind, if you hear 11,000ft, you think they're already in the mountains. This is not. This is far. Far from the mountains is never flat. 11,000 vertical feet of climbing. And then if you zoom in to the final 10 km, more or less. 13 km. Look at this finish. And you said it, sir. Bradley. I mean, as soon as you saw. As soon as I showed you that, you said, well, another stage. Frittade.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
I mean, look at that finish. It's 14 pieces of 14% on average. The final 700 meters is 10.2% finish to the finish line. I mean, it is perfect for him. So. And then back to what you said, George. I'm totally with you, like at this point, you're like, all right guys, we gotta play possum. Yeah, but you can play possum most of the day. You can't play possum at. With a final of 700 meters at over 10%.
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Spencer Martin
So question is, will Tade's team control it? You know, because that's a, that's a question. Big ass. Sixth stage of the Tour de France, they have, you know, 15 stages to go. Tade's on great form, super confident that once he reaches the mountains he'll be able to get it back if they decide to let it go. I mean, I'm thinking they let a breakaway go and a breakaway wins this. I would be really surprised if they put UAE on the front to control that. Maybe Albicen wants a controller for van der Poel, but I don't know. I don't, I can't envision that. And think about this.
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George Hincapie
I don't hate that.
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Spencer Martin
Think about this. There's guys today that, yeah, they had to ride steady pretty hard, but some of them lost 6, 7 minutes. So these guys that want to make tomorrow's breakaway, they were very conscientiously trying to recover today. Just ride the time trial, spin the legs out, openers for tomorrow. They're going to be starting this stage, I mean, full gas war to make that breakaway, fresh legs, they're going to be going all out.
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George Hincapie
Well, here's what we'll do. We'll, we'll. I'm going to throw it to Spencer, get his views on whether or not a breakaway can go and stay away. But first, Sir Bradley, breakaway go and stay away.
- [29:22]
Bradley Wiggins
I'm going for tally again and I think the natural speed of the peloton will make it difficult for. But you know, it's the nervousness again. Everyone's going to want to be in the front again and, and with these climbs all day, I, I just don't think we're far enough into the race yet for everyone to just have a, a trunk heal day. Yeah, I think it's going to be.
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Spencer Martin
Game on tomorrow and when, let's not forget. So typically these breakaways go to some. It's a really hard, punchy, lumpy start there, but I believe 20k in you have the one and only point sprint of the day. So like you said, that's just going to naturally make the speed a lot higher. So even if a breakaway gets away in the first 10k, right, the speed of the sprinters behind going for this point sprint is going to bring them back so even, I mean, you can go either way. I think the breakaway will go. But like you said, there is going to be a really high pace.
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George Hincapie
And I've had. And I, I spent a lot of time thinking about this last night because I've always, when I think about Spencer, he, he really is. He's like certainly the smartest person sitting down here in this studio. And I, I call him. I, I just, just sort of flippant. Yeah, the propeller head's funny. I started thinking, is that mean? Should I not say that? It feels a little.
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Spencer Martin
Did you not hear the. You say to me and you're, you're, you're worried about propeller?
- [30:37]
George Hincapie
I know, but I've known, I've known you a long time. You know, Spencer's been in my life for, I don't know, a handful of years. And any. I'm not lying. I did have a moment last night. I thought, you know what? That feels a little harsh. And I thought, well, what else, you know, can I call him? Right? Maybe like professor, right? Professor Martin. Is that Spencer? But you can tell me. But anyhow, I'm curious what Professor Martin thinks. Professor, do you think that a breakaway can, can get away and stay away tomorrow?
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D
I've got to admit, I haven't really considered it a breakaway day. But I agree with Bradley. I think the pace is going to be so high. These guys are so keyed up. They're certainly in the, in the race. And then you look at the gc, like, the gaps are massive already. Like, let's look at Tobias Holland, Johansson, he's almost four minutes back. Like, what happens if he gets little a. The move that's not going to be given a lot of room to go and then that's, you know, people are going to start chasing to defend their potential 10th place on GC. I just think it's going to be hard for them to get the room. The question is, who works? Is UAE really going to get on the front and set the pace? It seems like they probably want to get rid of the jersey if possible, but I think someone steps forward that we see this. Johan and I talk about this all the time on Outcomes. You just see it over and over again where people don't, like, you're like, why would they work? But they end up doing it anyway.
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Spencer Martin
So Spencer, I know Johan, for instance, would want a guy like Tobias on stage six to take the yellow jersey. Why? He's got a super strong team that can essentially sit on the front for the next week and keep the yellow Jersey and two poker Char will put minutes on him on the first mountain day. So if it was me, and I know Johan would do the same thing. Would want a guy like that to take the yellow jersey for 5, 6, 7 stages just to relieve his squad and take the pressure off.
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George Hincapie
Well, we know what Johan would do. And it's too hard. The finish is too hard for Vanderpool. 700 meters at over 10. It's. It's a question.
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Bradley Wiggins
I wouldn't, I wouldn't say it's too hard for him. He'll certainly be in the mix if he wanted to be.
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George Hincapie
But I'm thinking, thinking about yesterday.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, he's had a couple.
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George Hincapie
If it were yesterday, I think he didn't have the legs.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
To.
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Spencer Martin
I think it's. You can't put anything past him and the way he's riding. If he's there, he was next to. Today he was the strongest guy. I mean today Jonas and Van der Poel were the strongest guys on these shorter, steep climbs.
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George Hincapie
And not to get ahead of ourselves, but if you are Matthew Vanderpool, tomorrow might be a day where you, you say, look on. This is probably not perfect for me. Day after two times up the mirror to Britannia is perfect for him. So slight day off, focused two days from now.
- [33:19]
Spencer Martin
Well, I mean, Mira Bachanya is just as hard as this stuff, if you look at it. So I think the next two days are perfect for Van der Poel if he decides to go for the win.
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George Hincapie
Second question of the day, which I think is. Came in from Simon. This is a great question and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna send it to you, sir Bradley. Amazing. How many tours do you think Inderine would have won in today's era of short individual time trials?
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Bradley Wiggins
I mean, it's a good question and there's some plausibility in the argument that Miguel may not have won five. But there was also a misconception about Miguel Andrew in that I know exactly where he won the Tour in the time trials. And I, I'd recommend anyone go back and watch some stages, particularly the 1994 Tour de France, where he gets beat in the last time trial by Peter Ugramov in. In the mountain time trial that year. He stamped his authority in that Tour of France on Hotacam and rode from the front Drop Pantani, Kiara Veron Dufault. The only person who stayed with him is Luke LeBlanc. 1995, he attacks a Deliege with Johan Brunel, the only one who could Stay.
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George Hincapie
On his will, wrote him right off.
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Bradley Wiggins
Road, him right off the wheel. Everyone was like, what's going on? It was Pugacha esque, you know. The next day, he suffered in the time trial. He lost. He won by five seconds ahead of Bjar Reece. So he suffered in that one, you know. And then 1995, Tour de France also. Zola did a massive break in the mountains to Laplana and Indrain was. The gap was quite big, and Zula looked like he was going to take the Tour from them all. Indran got on the front of the bottom of Laplana and rode the whole race off his wheel. This guy was extraordinary. And you can only train to the demands of the event. If the time trials weren't in there, Miguel would have changed his strategy.
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George Hincapie
But Miguel, numero uno, he was a fantastic climber. Yeah, fantastic, for sure.
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Spencer Martin
Nice guy, too. He was always really nice.
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George Hincapie
Wonderful.
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Spencer Martin
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
And I've heard Johan's been keeping me a prize. He's back on the bike. He's doing all these fondos. He's kicking people's asses in these fondos. You imagine that you just roll up some fondo like Mallorca, these huge fondos, Big Mig shows up. Just.
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Spencer Martin
We did an hour and a half ride yesterday, and you said you never want to ride with me again. You explain that.
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George Hincapie
Yeah. I mean, yeah. Anyways, you're right. Class. Class guy. And I'm with you, sir. Bradley, like, easy to look at him and say, see the size compared to. Certainly compared to the other guys and think, well, he's not a climber. He was many of those years. He was not only a good climber, he was the best climber. Yeah. So it is a great question, Simon.
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Spencer Martin
So was he your inspiration when you were winning the Tour? Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, without doubt. Yeah. And I. I said on TV, on Spanish TV, during the 2012 tour, that Miguel was my hero and I modeled myself on him. Miguel sent me his. You know, they do for the bull Run, these red stars with neckerchiefs and the family emblem on it, and signed it, which is a huge honor.
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George Hincapie
Amazing.
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Spencer Martin
Wow.
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George Hincapie
Yeah. I still have running of the bulls.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. So they have their own family crest on these when they all wear these handkerchief things that go out when they're running the ball. And he gave me his family one. It's like a real honor to receive that. So. Yeah. And he came to my hour record. He was trackside when I broke the hour record.
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Spencer Martin
That's awesome.
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Bradley Wiggins
And, yeah. What a guy.
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George Hincapie
What a guy.
- [36:30]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
What a guy. Also, to start to wrap up the show, we've got our Ventum Daily trivia. Yesterday's question, while not a famous summit in the tour, stage four features the Cote Jacques, a 2.6 category category four climb named after the great French cyclist Jacques Anquetilist. What two things did Ankatil accomplish to get this climb named in his honor? First was he won the Tour de France five times. So that, yep, he probably should get a couple climbs named after himself. And he was also the first to do the Giro Tour double. First ever. Question for today for the Ventum trivia of the day. The stage five individual time draw would have been a likely boon for time trial specialist Sir Bradley Wiggins. How many total Grand Tour individual time trial stages did he win over the course of his career Grand Tour time trial victories?
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Bradley Wiggins
Is that including team time trials?
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George Hincapie
Individual. Just individual individual. And. And so that is the question of the day. We, we were just kind of chatting before, before the show and you brought up, as you do many, many days, a fun fact. Bernardino won 20 individuals individual time trials. I, of course, had no idea how many time trials I won. Spencer Somebody looked it up. 11.
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Spencer Martin
Yep.
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George Hincapie
I was gonna say 8.
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Bradley Wiggins
Two of which were prologue.
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George Hincapie
I mean, I can't even remember. And somebody told me an hour ago, 11. That's kind of cool. Send us more. Send us your questions. These are two good ones today. Thanks, Alan and Simon. Send those questions to Info WEDO Team infoedo Team. And we will be back tomorrow for an exciting day. I love it. I love looking ahead and seeing this and going. Can't wait to get up and watch that. All right, thanks for tuning in, everybody. Sa.