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Tour de France Stage 10 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show
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Johan Bruyneel and Sir Bradley Wiggins peel back the curtain on the tactics, strategy, and pivotal moments that shaped Stage 10 of the 2025 Tour de France, offering sharp analysis and insider perspective you won’t hear anywhere else....
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- [00:00]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
It's funny when you watch Teddy because we know what he's capable of doing and when we've seen what he did last year and the spring campaign this year, when he gets to the position to launch like he did today, part of you is disappointing when he stops the attack and doesn't see it through because it's entertainment. Today's entertaining and it's a spectacle. And it's entertaining because he can do what none of us ever want, what we all dreamed of wanting to be able to do. It was the beauty of Marco Pantani. You'd watch Pantani in the mountains and it was entertaining because we all dream when we go on our bike of being able to do that on a climb. And Tade can do it on any event, any stage in any part of cycling. So his reservation this year and him riding reserved and riding as a Tour de France leader should, because this is the maturest version we've seen of Tadeh over the years. I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner, Sir Bradley Wiggins.
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Johan Bruyneel
And I'm Johan Brunel. I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggo and Johan show, our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France. Hi everybody. Welcome back to the Sir Wiggo and Johan show. Talking about stage 10 of this year's Tour de France. 165 kilometers first I would say first mountain stage, mid mountain stage. 4,500 meters of climbing. This show is presented as every day by Keaton iq. We're glad to have as everyday Bradley Wiggins with us again. Bradley, what's your take of the day? What's Bradley of the stage?
- [01:37]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
There was so much happened today, wasn't there? Obviously I'm split between two Ben Healy taking yellow. What an amazing ride. And also my. My second take of the day is what. What Jumbo Visma were doing. So we'll get to that a bit later on. Yeah, the tactics they deployed in order to somehow either isolate today, launch an attacker and. And leave him behind or what we. I don't quite know but we'll get into the. The beans of that. But first of all I want to talk to you about one of our sponsors, NordVPN. I'm actually using NordVPN Johan to watch the coverage in the mornings here. It's a vpn. You can safely access your favorite streams and other content from your home no matter where you go. Easily switch your virtual location to access apps and websites in other countries. Connect with one click or enable Auto Connect for zero click protection. Seven and a half thousand plus servers in 118 countries. You can change your virtual location easily. Amazing speed. NordVPN is one of the fastest VPNs out there and it can be used on up to 10 devices. Get your exclusive NordVPN VPN deal here. It's www.nordvpn.com themove. That's nor nordvpn.com forward/ the move. It's risk free with Nord's 30 day money back guarantee. Link is in the episode show notes.
- [03:05]
Johan Bruyneel
Okay, so Bradley, as we expected, you know, very hard stage, maybe a bit, I would say maybe during the whole stage, maybe a bit disappointing because there was a big group going attacks from the start until there was a really big group going away. And as we expected, really strong writers in there, just to name a few. Ben Healy, Lenny Martinez, Ben o', Connor, Ala Philippe who got dropped afterwards. Simon Yates, Mike Woods, Blackmore, name them many others. I think at some point there were 28 writers, four riders of EF education. That was quite something.
- [03:45]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
- [03:47]
Johan Bruyneel
And so if you look at what happened uae, and I want to ask your opinion about that a bit later, but UAE was setting pace, in my opinion, a bit too fast. But it was clear that this group, or at least a remainder of this group would stay away for the stage. And the fact that Ben Healy was in there and he's riding so strong, he's shown this already. A few stages ago he did an incredible performance. He was going for yellow. Yeah. And so I think you're right. I mean he deserves to be in yellow. And so, yeah, I mean we had the situation that UAE starts to set the tempo. First of all, all the sprinters were dropped immediately and made a group ETO actually something that I wouldn't have expected on a stage like this, you know, with. I thought it would be a longer fight to stay in the bunch. But all the sprinters around me, the whole team of little Trek was around Jonathan Bilam. I don't know how far they were back in the end, 30, 35 minutes.
- [04:48]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I think they were a good 12 minutes inside the time delay. So.
- [04:52]
Johan Bruyneel
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had it under control. But. But UAE sets the pace. Surprisingly Civic off had a bad day today. He was an important guy that. That normally should have been there. It happens, it happens. As we know, when you're at the team of the favorite, you have to do a lot of work. But the group initially got 2 minutes, 3 minutes, and I was thinking, you know, why does UAE keep this so close? You know, this Marlisa bike had two riders in there but none of those two were actually a threat for no Bogacha or for uae. So why do you think they kept it so close?
- [05:30]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
I'm not too sure to be honest. You know, we've questioned that on other days as well. I, I think it's just the nature of modern day cycling. You know, I think there's, it's hard, you know, when, when you've been so I think it takes a lot of confidence and confidence of director Sportif to say, look, let' this, let's let this gap go, let's let it go. But I do think in this day and age, had they done that someone else would have took up the riding because there's always something that someone else stands to lose and, and somehow you, you, you know, you set the tone by from the start. We seen the speeds from the start of these races and, and there is an element of not knowing how much time you're going to lose. Plus two Visma riders were in there, you know, Simon Yates, brilliant win by the way for Simon. I did say on the top of the show the, that was my take of the day was that the tactics from Visma. But at the same time on that there's two races going on there. Simon's in the break. Simon having won the judo wins the stage today. Simon will be an important rider now from that with the confidence he's gained in the next few weeks. But yeah, I think, I don't think, I mean Nils Poet, he's done a great job this tour, hasn't he? Yeah, he really has. And I think it's just, you know, you, you go from riding flat out every day, it's almost hard to readjust to come back to ride at a speed that allows the group to go and if it goes too far also I think there's a danger or a fear that we're going to have to pick the pace up later on in this stage. So it's almost better to let the brake drift out slowly. So I think, you know, going. The days are gone when you guys would take the bottle and let the jersey go by by an enormous amount. I don't think we're going to see that anymore in this modern day cycling.
- [07:04]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, I agree. I was, I still think it would have been better. I completely on the, I'm on the same point of view as you that you know, if they would have let it go, they Would have had Sudow, for example, for Remco, would have come in. Yeah, let's. Let's say they get. They let it go to 10 minutes, right? I mean, there's some guys in there that they say, oh, you know, we don't want to let them get back into the race. But actually none of them will be a threat for Pogachar, because I think one thing that people forget, you know, like they. They look at the times and they say, okay, well, this guy is seven minutes down and now he's gonna come back to two minutes. First of all, if they're seven minutes down, it's for a reason. It's because they're not. They're not. They're not in top shape unless they had a crash or something. Right? And so I think. I think if they would have let it go further out, they would have had Sudal, they would have had maybe even Arkea for Vocala, who knows? Maybe even as we saw Decathlon for Felix Gall, even Picnic for Only, and Red Bull for Lipovic and Roglic. So I feel like they're not playing enough with these kinds of circumstances because as we said already in other podcasts, the tour has this particular. It's so important that for now, people think about people who can get in the top five. But soon after the first mountain stage, we're going to see people who think about being in the top 10, who will come to the rescue sometimes of a team. Yeah. And so. So, yeah, I thought that. I mean, listen, these guys polit. And today, I mean, MVP for me, Tim Wellens. And unbelievable what this guy has been doing today and other days. I mean, by himself, he kept this 28 rider group in check. But it just. I mean it. Okay, yes, tomorrow it's a rest day, and then the day after it's an easier day. Not a very easy day. An easier day. So that's maybe the way they think. But. But I. I'm still thinking that in the last. You need to think now about the last week for these teammates and any help you can get and any energy they can save, they should take it. And they're not. In my opinion, they were riding too fast. But anyways, you know what to say about Ben Healy, Bradley. I mean, this guy, it's. You know, I compare it with. What's it called, the. The Duracell Bunny. The dude, you know, it's a guy, he just goes, goes, goes. He, he. Yeah, that was amazing today. Yeah, he pulled for the last 30k by himself. He did he did. And he only lost 30 seconds.
- [09:53]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
He still finished third. Yeah, yeah. Do you know who he reminds me of? He reminds me his style. It reminds me of Fernando Escartine. Do you remember him?
- [10:03]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah. That's very similar. There's another that I read today. Some, somewhere there's another Spanish rider they compare him with. And you will, I'm pretty sure you will agree, I actually see him sometimes because his son raised with my son last year. At least it's a Paco Mancebo.
- [10:22]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Man Sabo. Yeah, yeah.
- [10:24]
Johan Bruyneel
You know, the head tilted a bit and just going, going, going.
- [10:27]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, very similar. But Ben Healy, I mean, what a ride. Yeah. And to take yellow as well, you know, for that team. Fourth Irishman, you say? The last Irishman was Stephen Roach 38 years ago.
- [10:38]
Johan Bruyneel
So that was when he won the Tour, right? Yeah.
- [10:40]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Sean Kelly before that in 83, had it for Sean, amazingly, only had it for one day in his career.
- [10:46]
Johan Bruyneel
Wow.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Sean Kelly. And then of course the great Shay Elliott, who was Jack's teammate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's amazing day for Ireland. But, yeah, I mean, but what unfolded behind then with Visma? When it started for me with Visma, what I started questioning. I, I didn't question the tactics they were deploying when Sepkus and Mateo Jorgensen were riding on the front and the gap opened and it started stretching it. But then Jonas let the wheel go from them and stayed with Tade. So they were both off the front on their own, which I couldn't understand. I mean, if they're going to do something like that, then you need to be on the wheel. But obviously. And then what followed was set dropping back, Sep attacking again, Mateo dropping back, Mateo attacking again. But were like half hearted attacks.
- [11:32]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah.
- [11:32]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And I did, you know, I agreed with George on that. I think they were just testing the waters today to see what kind of. But what it wasn't doing, it wasn't. It wasn't making that group any smaller. That group still stayed intact.
- [11:44]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, they made, I mean, one thing you can say, okay, you know, first of all, Sivakov was not there, so they had to use Wellens and Solaire earlier than expected. And Adam Yates was there with Narvaeis. I think the plan was probably for Adam Yates and Narvaeis to be there with Poglaccio on the last climb. So they accomplished that. They put Narvaeis and Adam Yates in trouble and that Pogacha was by himself. So the only thing they accomplished which could be a valid reason that Pogacha didn't Have a lead out on that last climb. Does it really matter?
- [12:24]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
He did need one. Did he? It doesn't mean.
- [12:26]
Johan Bruyneel
It doesn't.
- [12:27]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Because what we. What we did see, again, there was when Tade goes. I mean, there was a moment Jonas started to get dropped, looked around to see anyone was around, and then today at that same time, backed off.
- [12:38]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Because I assume he knew the gap was, you know, very close to him losing the jersey and wanted to let that jersey go. But other than that, I think that was a saving grace of Jonas. Was. Was Tade slowing down, and we saw his attack. When he goes.
- [12:51]
Johan Bruyneel
It's devastating to me personally. Rally. The observation I have of today, and, you know, it's just from seeing the images on tv, right. Is how unbelievably easy he looks. His face is relaxed. You know, even when he was then with Jonas, of course he was not. He was not gonna be Jonas on the wheel. He looked easy. And, you know, these guys also see that because they're watching the images after the race. Right. They're analyzing the images. So, you know, you can say, okay, well, we need to make the race hard. But as we said already several times, if they make it hard, they make it hard for everybody. And they're actually doing the job that normally Bogachar's team would be doing. They're doing it for him. So for the moment, you know, and of course. And I understand, you know, it's a total strategy over three weeks. Right. So I do acknowledge that Visma obviously won something today. They got a nice stage win. They got Simon Yates, who is, you know, obviously feeling again in the front of the race, which is important. Personally, I think that after the Giro, he was, first of all, super tired, and probably, you know, he's a. He's a quality rider. It's probably a question mark of how good he will be in the second part of the Tour. Right. Another thing I also liked to see today in favor of Visma is that Sepkus, his pedaling style, the way he looked on the bike, is the. One of the good days of Sipkus.
- [14:29]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know, he was great.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah. That's for sure.
- [14:31]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
It was good to see. It was just good to see him back at the head of the race.
- [14:33]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah. My question, however, is with Sepkus, what can he do to put the hurt on Pogacha?
- [14:42]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
What can anyone do? That's the problem. And I think that's. It's how they use their efforts combined. You know, they've got great individual riders now. Like, we've got Simon Yates, obviously, he's back in form. Mateo and Sep. And it's, it's. But Jonas, it's, it's, it's. I mean, ultimately this is all going to come, that they can do what they like, they can make it. All those guys can do, really, is get rid of Tade's teammates and have Tadde on his own. That's the best situation they can hope to be in. And when that happens, ultimately it's going to have to fall on the shoulders of Jonas to try something at some point because that's, you know, and, and they have to hope at that time that it's been hard enough and they've. Tade's been isolated for long enough that he has to do most of the work. And then Jonas. But we won't know that until we get to the bigger climbs like Hotel and things like that. That's where, that's where we know Jonas will shine. That's, that's his domain. And these smaller climbs, as we know, Tade is devastating on these smaller climbs. One big attack and, and it's over.
- [15:41]
Johan Bruyneel
And, and it's also what I, you know, what you clearly see is whenever Matteo Jurgensen, who is the only guy that. Of Visma that they needs to worry about, except Jonas, whenever Mateo, Mateo is also, first of all, he's not an explosive rider already. He's, he's, he's a diesel. You know, he's good, he can accelerate it. He's not, he doesn't have a lot of punch today. Doesn't even have to get out of the saddle to follow him. You know, he just looks and he just pushes twice and he's on the wheel.
- [16:07]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah.
- [16:09]
Johan Bruyneel
And, and then, and then you. Okay, then they, at some point, that's what they had. You know, they had Jurgensen, Porace on the wheel, then Jonas and a few others. But then what you do, you kind of have to keep going because otherwise, okay, some Visma guys are going to get in, but some UAE guys going to get in again also. So I think, you know, it's going to be more clear on Hotakam. You know, it's, it's, it's a hard stage and it's a hard climb. So there we will see really, who's. Who's the strongest. Right.
- [16:41]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And, and education will, you know, that'll be their first day in yellow. They'll want to ride just to display the jersey.
- [16:47]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, their second, their second day in yellow. Yeah, because, yeah, on, on stage 11, it's, you know, that's Why? I think if, for example, if Healy would have had a five or ten.
- [17:00]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Minute buffer, you'd imagine he was expected to keep the jersey on hot again, wouldn't you?
- [17:04]
Johan Bruyneel
Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
- [17:07]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Because with the gap he's got, I anticipate him losing it on Hutgem and Otakam.
- [17:12]
Johan Bruyneel
He's done, he's done, you know, there's no way he can keep it. Have you ridden ho to come before myself? Never.
- [17:20]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
No.
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Johan Bruyneel
I think they did.
- [17:22]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
94. It went up it, didn't it? 94. When Miguel.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, 94. 94. They did it. I didn't do the Tour. And in 96 they also did it. But I, I had crashed already in the, in the ravine and I had to, I had to abandon.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And then Lance went up there, didn't he? Of course.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yes, yes, yes. That was in 2000, I think. 2000 to 2000. 2000, which is, you know, and actually, I'm actually going to, I'm actually going to tell you in two days and I'm going to be at Hot Dog for, I mean, for Belgian tv. I'm not going to be at the top, but I'm going to be there for that state. So.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
For George's new team.
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Johan Bruyneel
No. Yeah. I think he'll need to wait for a few years to, to be able to at that level. But yeah, it's going to be nice. It's the first time I'm going to be back at the Tour since a very, very long time. I mean, I'm gonna be in with Belgian tv, but yeah, I'll go and say hi to some ex colleagues. Yeah. At the start also, I don't know if you, you noticed until today, which is also something that I just found out today. So the first 10 stages, even for a difficult stage like today, Jonas has been riding every stage with a one by a single chainring in the front. Really?
- [18:40]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Really.
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Johan Bruyneel
That's also something special. Right. Of course, now I guess they have the, they have the, the 13 speed. Yeah. You know, so, yeah, you can go from 10 to 46. So you can, you can have a. But that's. Yeah, that's also something unheard of for mountain stage.
- [18:59]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah.
- [19:02]
Johan Bruyneel
I mean it eliminates the risk that, you know, you drop your chain and stuff like that. But I still think, I still think the combination of two chain rings, you have much more, you have much more possibilities, don't you think?
- [19:12]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah, I prefer the double chain ring. You know, aside, I'm not, I'm not too sure the, the jump on the cassette from a 10 to a 46. I like a lot of a. Yeah, sort of a straight through block. Exactly, you know.
- [19:26]
Johan Bruyneel
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I agree. And I, one, one thing I, I will always say is no matter how, no matter how much information you've got, external information with, you know, latest science and this, and people watching from a different angle, etc, you know, the, the, the race onus and the responsibility always falls with you ultimately, first of all, you the team leader because you're out on the road, feeling it in, in real time, and you're the, the direct line of communication with the guys around you, your teammates. So Jonas saying, you know, he could be saying, look, don't attack here, this stupid, save yourself, just stay next to me until, or, you know, Mateo Yogazu, you matter, you try something. And that communication between those guys, that in the field. And second of all, the second responsibility falls with the ds because that's the guy you have contact with each day. That's the guy you make a plan with in the bus before you go out on the road, that's the one, you know, you, you never go against the DS in some ways, unless it's, you know, there's an explanation at the end of the day. But if the DS in the car says, look, Guys, do this. I need you to do this now. This is, this is my order. You go, you don't go against team orders. You do that. So outside of that, if the DS is not, is not confident enough or got enough knowledge and information and enough confidence in his plan, having spoke about that with the riders, then, you know, there's too many people, you know, too many cooks putting stuff in the pot, and it's just, it gets, it gets confusing and then there's, you know, yeah, I, I, I, I, it's not one for me. It's not one for me. And if I was Jonas out on the road, you know, you, if, if they're getting told to do something, you know, attack or whatever, attack is a two, you start to lose faith in your DS and their tactical decision making. And I think that's, I think that's, I think that's a shame, really, and, but that maybe that is. Again, I can't relate to it because it didn't happen in our day. And we saw the issues that arose in team sky in 2012 when Froome went against team orders and Sean Yates was the, you know, the disappointment in Sean Yates afterwards, not being able to comprehend what was happening. Obviously, we've discussed all that since then, but it, it is, you know, it's, it's all you have is your, your, that's the whole reason for having a radio in.
- [25:58]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah.
- [25:58]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
So I find it hard that, that, that they, they're people like that. I mean, how many people during a Tour de France stage when Lance was doing his thing would have a direct line to you during a stage and say, johan, I think you should do this? I mean, it goes against everything your employees do.
- [26:15]
Johan Bruyneel
It was two people, and it was two people that I completely trusted who had been there, done that.
- [26:21]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
But that was your personal choice, wasn't it?
- [26:23]
Johan Bruyneel
Yes, of course, of course. Because I know, I mean, and it's also because. And nowadays, okay, technology has improved a lot. You know, they have all the information on the course, all the information on GPS data where every rider is. We had to rely on analog TV and sometimes it went in and out, you know, but still, I personally think. But one thing that maybe could be an explanation for Visma now thinking about it, is it also goes with the personality of the leader, if you have a leader. And I think in this way, Tade and Jonas are two opposites. At least that's the way it seems to me from a distance. I don't know any of those, those two guys personally. From what I see Pogachar makes decisions sometimes on the go.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
- [27:13]
Johan Bruyneel
And is a stronger personality. Jonas seems more like a guy who executes orders and maybe he needs that. But then I think that sometimes. And again, I'm just going off, for example, what I've seen in the Netflix series about. So when you see Team Visma. And also, I know that's not reality, but because it's pictured in a way to make the documentary great. But I've seen certain stages of Visma in the past, even the ones they won, that they were trying to do too many things in the same stage. Or let's win the stage. Or let's try to win the stage. Okay, now let's go for a second with Walt and let's do this. And you know, and I fear that they're going in the same direction again today. What we saw was, in my opinion, they were a bit all over the place anyway. Maybe we will have to. I would have to swallow my words in the last week and they will be right. You know, who knows? We will. We will see. Anyway, then, you know, maybe let's talk a little bit about what happened on that last climb in the stage. Yeah, I think it was. It was clear that from that. From that breakaway that Ben Healy was not going to win the stage. Right. And because the moment he had four and a half minutes, he just. He just went like all in for. For the yellow Jers years.
- [28:38]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah.
- [28:38]
Johan Bruyneel
And. And logically, it was clear that Simon Yates was going to be the big candidate. You know, he had been sitting back, passing now and then, but. And I don't know if you saw his interview after the finish, you know, and that's why I think that when I said on the move, you know, this is a good Simon Yates, not a great Simon Yates. He had doubts on that last climb. Yeah, he did.
- [29:03]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. He said.
- [29:03]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, he said, I wanted to head a head start and took advantage of the corners because the moment we saw them coming into that last climb, he was already gone.
- [29:11]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
And he did. He did a great climb, you know, But. But I think it's also safe to say that Ben o' Connor is not the best Ben o' Connor we've seen. And aren'tsmann has been better already also. And they. They were able to bridge up to him or come close to him. But anyways, you know, I mean, listen, great stage win and it's. What a. What a dream season or the last few months, you know, and in one of the shows we did in the off season, Bradley, we talked about the trades and transfers of the season. And Lance and I said, both of us, the transfer of the season is Simon Yates from Jayco to Visma Jesus. I mean, one to Giro. And now he will probably be the key rider, one of the key riders for Jonas. And already I'm going to stay. How, which, how many stage races does he have now in stage wins? Four or five.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Three in the Tour de France.
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Johan Bruyneel
Oh, three in the Tour. Okay.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
Okay.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. But obviously he's won the Vulture, won the Giro. He's what a. And it's funny how we talk about him at 32 years of age as being one of the older riders of the peloton now.
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Johan Bruyneel
One of. One of the things that I have all. I mean, do you know these guys personally? They have a personal.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I know him a little bit.
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Johan Bruyneel
Okay. A little bit.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Okay.
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Johan Bruyneel
So. So how strange is this? Like the two biggest rivals, Visma uae. They have two twin brothers who obviously, I don't think have any secrets for each other as twin brothers.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No.
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Johan Bruyneel
How does that work? How does that work?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, I think, I think, yeah. I mean, one thing about the. The Yates brothers is they are extremely professional. Extremely professional then they always have been since a young age. And, and, and, you know, as close as they are as brothers, there's certainly no exchanging of. Of tips. They will both want to win for their own riders on their own teams.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah. And there will be no exchanging of voltage doing it. They're not like that. They're just. When they're on the bike and in bike kit, they are the most consummate, loyal professional cyclists and, and just great, incredible demeanor off the bike, incredibly professional in interviews. And they're a credit to themselves and.
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Johan Bruyneel
Their parents around them. They really are two amazing bike riders. Amazing bike riders. Yeah. We have the other twins also, the Johannesens, in the Johanneson Haaland. Johanneson. Yeah. They're both on the same team, so that's. It's a bit more easy. And they're not in the same position. Another thing. I mean, and then we can move on to our. To our vent and trivia. Don't you think that I'm seeing a different Aleppo Gachar than in the past years, more in control of himself? Maybe he's just gonna unleash everything he has on the first mountain stage and say, okay, enough of this shit, here I am. Stop. Stop everything. You know, who knows? But until now, I see him riding a lot more calculated. What's your opinion?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. I mean, it's funny when you watch telly because we know what he's capable of doing and what we've seen what he did last year and the spring campaign this year. When he gets to the position to launch like he did today, part of you is disappointing when he stops the attack and doesn't see it through because it's entertainment. Today's entertaining and it's a spectacle. And it's entertaining because he can do what none of us ever want. What we all dreamed of wanting to be able to do. It was the beauty of Marco Bantani. You'd watch Pantani in the mountains and he, it was entertaining because we all dream when we go on our bike of being able to do that on a climb. And Tade can do it on any, any event, any stage in any part of cycling. So his, his reservation this year and him riding reserved and riding as a Tour de France leader should, because this is the maturest version we've seen of today over the years. He's no longer that sort of adolescent junior boy who can, you know, and his demeanor's changed off the bike. He's a bit more moody now at times and a little bit more getting irritated with certain things in a good way. Not, not the detriment to his bike riding ability. And even when Jonas put his hand out today, I come across the line, Jonas was kind of Tad's face. Never, he didn't, he didn't smile. He didn't, he just, he, he, you know, reciprocated the, the, the, you know, the, the handshake. But it was cold. He was cold as ice. And I love this Taday. I, I think cycling needs this today. It needs this. And, and he's growing in that. He's growing into that mold every year now and it's great. But he is riding, you know, more reserved. But I, I do think him riding reserved is from years now of experience at riding. I mean, you know, this is, this is, this has come from experience. This is a different Tade to the one who won on Plush de Bellefield when he won his first Tour de France.
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Johan Bruyneel
Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Like the maturity that he's grown into now.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah. And I think he's, he, I personally, it a different today than we saw last year. Last year he was doing things that say, wow, I mean, okay, great. But man, dude, it's three weeks, you know. Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And, and I, I think all this reservation and all this riding conservatively and, and, and making the efforts at the Right. Time will ball down. I'm again, I think this. And I don't know if I'm, I'm wishful thinking this, but I think it's all boiling down to one big kill. The Tour de France off with one move one day.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And that could be on hotel cam. He might not do it. He might just defend this 1 minute 30 lead over Jonas for. But I don't think so. I think Jonas will tell you, make him.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, yeah. And at the end of the day, you know, in Bogachar's case, it's Jonas who has to attack now. So, you know, if he wants to use this strategically, it's, it's, it's actually very, very easy. You know, he just follows. Let Jorgensen and let Sepkus and let Simon Yates make it hard. It's not going to be hard enough for today. And then Jonas normally has to attack. You follow Jonas and then if you can, you counter attack. That's it, you know.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
One thing we, we forgotten to talk about. I don't want to close off the show before, before we talk about Lenny Martinez. Lenny Martinez, today in the breakaway, he was my choice. I picked him yesterday to win the stage for Outcomes Spencer, Ben Healy. But I mean, he didn't win the stage, but he got the polka dot jersey. And I think it's a really nice story. You know, he, Lenny Martinez, his dad is Miguel Martinez. He was also a professional cyclist, well known to be Olympic champion mountain biking. And his granddad is Mariano Martinez, who actually won the final polka dot jersey in the Tour de France.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You remember the year 1978.
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Johan Bruyneel
78. 78, yeah. So I've read certain interviews and apparently his granddad, Mariano Martinez is getting problems with this. I mean, he must be in his late 70s or early 80s now and you know, he's getting problems with his eyesight. He's slowly going blind and his wish is to see his grandson in the polka dot jersey before he, before he loses completely his eyesight. So that's something that he accomplished today. So, yeah, chapeau to Lenny Martinez. That was, that was great to see. Yeah. We'll close off with our Ventum trivia. As every day, the question of yesterday's stage was Sir Mark Cavendish became the winningest rider in the history of the Tour. Why has Stage nine's finishing town, Chateaurou, been dubbed Cavendish Town? The answer was it's where he won his first Tour de France stage in 2008. And he also won there in 2011 and in 2021. What a time. Span from 2008 to 2021. So that was the correct answer. Today's question for stage 10 is the first mountain stage of this year's Tour de France was on Bastille Day. Who was the last Frenchman to win a stage of the Tour de France on France's national holiday? Send your best guess or if you know the correct answer, send it to ventumracing.com and you can enter into the contest. We will draw a winner at the end of the tour for $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike you want to buy. If you don't want to wait until the end of the Tour, Ventum is also offering a standing discount during the whole duration of this Tour de France. You get 10% off the whole site using the code the MOVE10 and you get 20% off if you want to buy an NS1 road bike with the code NS120 tomorrow. Rest day transfer. I haven't really checked the details. If they do the transfer today or tomorrow, it's going to be half a rest day and then we go into stage 11 for Toulouse. So it's a lot. It's a loop, it's starting to lose. Comes back to Toulouse. Not. Not particularly a straightaway sprint stage. I think there's like three or four climbs at the end, one of which is a third category, climbing in the final. It's very steep. It's like a kilometer 12%. We've seen that already in the first few days. So could be breakaway, could even be at a late stage, who knows. Anyways, thank you, Bradley. We'll be back. Yep.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Thank you, man.
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Johan Bruyneel
Not tomorrow, but the day after. Thanks.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
See you then. Bye.
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