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Tour de France Stage 11 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show
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Johan Bruyneel and Sir Bradley Wiggins peel back the curtain on the tactics, strategy, and pivotal moments that shaped Stage 11 of the 2025 Tour de France, offering sharp analysis and insider perspective you won’t hear anywhere else. Join: No race?...
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
He had a good day today. Wout Van Ault. He did break again and this really is is where we always see wout come good 10 days into a Tour de France or any Grand Tour. And I'm be interested to see what he's got in in his bag for the next next few stages actually because I think Wild's coming good. We've seen seen him the last few days second on that stage the other day. And if you remember the last time we went on to hotel camp who cracked Tally Pogacho?
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Johan Bruyneel
It was well, yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner, Sir Bradley Wig.
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Johan Bruyneel
And I'm Johan Brunel. I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggle and Johan show, our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France. Welcome back to our show everybody. As every day presented by Ketone IQ. We're talking about stage 11 of this year's Tour de France. You know, a stage which was had some difficulties at the end but usually normally there was nothing going to happen for gc it was almost not the case. Bradley, what is your main takeaway of today's stage?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Takeaway of today is probably the crash of Tadi Pogacho outside of the four or five kilometer, you know, cutoff time rule. But it's something we very rarely see. Is Tade on the floor and he was the only one to go down. Bit of a strange crash. It looked from the overhead shot like he had, he was, had one hand on the bar and he was going through his radio or something. And then obviously the, the Uno X rider come across to follow an attack and, and just cut him off and he went down and he was lucky he didn't hit his head on that curb. But he did hit his shoulder pretty heavy. But he was up quick. His bike was pretty bent and struggled to get his chain on a little bit. But then of course the whole question arose as to whether Visma should have profited from that and rode to the finish to put time into him, which they didn't. And I'm glad they didn't because I don't think that's the best way to go about things. I don't think that would have looked good for them. That's my main take of the day.
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Johan Bruyneel
Okay, okay. Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think we saw a great stage, but that's obviously something that could have impacted the rest of the Tour de France.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I used to live near there when I signed professional with when I was 20 years old after the Olympics in Sydney. Sean Yates was the director and the manager of Linda McCartney. And I signed, I signed with them and I moved to Toulouse and I was training with Pete Rogers and a few other guys that were down there that were Dave McKenzie and all those guys. Good days. And then the team was empty and I had to drive back in my Ford Fiesta back to London and that was it. Wow. But I used to train down there because at that time Stuart o' Grady was living down there. Magnus Backstead, Jay Sweet, all those guys, you know, and it was a bit of an Anglophone hub for, for Ryan, but yeah, it was. It's interesting that you say that he did that on the rest day. He had a good day today. Well, Vernon, he did break again and, and this really is, is where we always see w come good 10 days into a Tour de France or any Grand Tour. And I'm interested to see what he's got in, in his bag for the next next few stages, actually, because I think. Well, it's coming good. We've seen. Seen him the last few days second on that stage the other day. And if you remember the last time we went on to Hotacam, who cracked Teddy Begacho, it was.
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Johan Bruyneel
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I mean. And today he was, he was in contention for the stage win. He said after the stage that he felt he had spent too much energy to guide, to try to go in many, many moves before. And then finally these five strong riders went, you know, on, on the, on the attack or on the counter attack. We're going to get into that a little bit later. But what we did see, which is quite unique, is number one and two of today's stage are the two guys that went at kilometer zero. We had Jonas Abrahamson and Mauro Schmidt. Finally, they, they, they, they were five guys. It looked like they were gone.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
But then some things happened in the, in the peloton. There was several times there was a split which, which was kind of unexpected.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No, I also heard there was quite a few raised eyebrows when Abramson was the first attack of the day and people were kind of mocking him, saying, oh, look at this guy. What's he doing? I mean, at the end of the stage, he's the winner. It just shows you, doesn't it, how. And, and again, the speeds we saw were very. Today again, over 50 km an hour average speed for the whole stage, really.
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Johan Bruyneel
Over. Over the whole stage.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. So it's 30 miles an hour average speed again today. It was so a quick one as well. And, and you know, it was, it was teed up as a sprint stage today. I don't think there was anything about that. That was not even close. I mean, no, Jonathan Milan was trying to get into the break early on.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And he's, he's now got quite a comfortable lead now in the green jersey competition. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, when that second group, when, you know, that that was a group of hitters, wasn't it? You know, Quinn Simmons.
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Johan Bruyneel
Quinn Simmons.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. And. And they, they just couldn't close that 30 seconds. We'd spoke about it on the main show, Johan, as to why, you know, why a group like that couldn't get back, get under 29 seconds and come back on those guys. And George made a good point that, you know, the guys that saw Wild Van Aert and Matthew Vanderpool in that group, they wouldn't have been pulling 100 because they're like, right, if we get across there, these guys are still going to beat us.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
So it's always, you know, they had to do the bulk of the work. And we saw when van der Poel went, then how much time he took on that descent. He came straight back to 16 seconds and then just couldn't close that last bit. But you had another. You saw an interview with Matthew, didn't you? And you had another reason as to why he. How he.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you're right, you know, and I think it's, It's. It's always the case. Like, in any breakaway, if you're one or two riders, the strong riders, the favorites, it's very difficult to win from that breakaway, especially if there's, you know, if you. If there's 10 riders in the breakaway. We saw it the other day. No, when. When Van der Poel was in the break, he was the favorite. He had to do the majority of the work. And finally he. He cramped. So. But I think George has a. Has a really good point. It was about Vanarte and Van der Poel and these other three riders, good riders, Arnold, Axel Laurence and Quinn Simmons, really strong guys. But I would probably do the same. I say, okay, I pull 80% or 75% of my capabilities because. And especially with the way the stage was designed today, with that steep climb, you would be. You would be crazy. But. But it also speaks to the credit of those first five guys. The first five attackers, I mean, they. They have gone. I mean, they were not skipping a turn. And, and, you know, if you look at Abrahams from Mauro Schmidt Ballerini, who was the other guy? Fred Wright. And I'm forgetting the other guy now. I don't remember who the other guy was. There was an Astana guy. Yeah, I mean, I forgot now, but. But yeah, I mean, it was. It was initially, when you see those five riders, those five big guns coming, you say, okay, I think it was like a minute, 50 seconds, 45 seconds. It's just A matter of time. But they, they, they went from kilometer 60 to kilometer 20 to close 30 seconds, and then it stayed at 20 seconds all the time. And, and what I found out, actually, Bradley, after the stage and in an interview with Matthew van der Poel for, For Belgian tv, is that he attacked on that he was already. I mean, first of all, he said, you know, I didn't feel great at the start. I told my team, you know, we're not going to keep it together. Let's. Everybody can go into breakaways. And then finally he started to feel better. There was a lot of attacks and he, he got into the rhythm. But when he went on the last climb, he saw. So first of all, Ballerini got dropped, then those two other riders got dropped and he caught them and he got a gap and he thought he was going for first place. He said, it's so noisy, so confusing in the radio. And he only found out like 3, 4 km after he saw motorbikes too close and he said, oh. And then he saw these other two riders who finally he couldn't catch. So that was quite interesting. It shows how, how big the Tour de France is, right. How hectic everything is with the motorbikes, the cars, the people. It's just crazy, you know, and, and sometimes, and I would guess also Bradley, on, on those kind of roads when it was really split up, that, and because the cars were never allowed in between and, and you know, when, when, when the, when, when the peloton is so stretched up that the, the car is too far behind also, and the, the radio doesn't really reach to, to where the riders are. Right.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we saw the crowds again today, and sometimes, you know, it's just, it's so difficult to, you know, hear a lot of the time as well and, and hear the radio and, and, and, you know, the, the, the old motorbike with the board would tell you how many seconds you are down, that it's not always present and it's not always, you know, you don't always see it and you're not always looking for it either. Yeah, but as it, you know, as it worked out, I mean, it was, it was another great stage. And Matthew Vanderpoel, yet again, I mean, the, the, the tour he's had up to this point, I mean, he wasn't far off of winning today. No, that was after again a few days ago, where he had that whole solo, the other break with his teammate all day in front of it was all.
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Johan Bruyneel
It was almost again the Same like Armstrong Gold Race, remember when he won't.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I know, yeah. I was thinking the same thing.
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Johan Bruyneel
It was this, it was the same scenario, you know. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's, it's. He's unique, you know, I think, you know, to be able to pull that off after that, that raid that he did with Jonas Rickard, which finally, I mean, I found out finally was not a coincidence. They planned it the day before that other stage. They talked about it at the dinner table and they said, okay, this is what we're going to do. And that message I sent in the group chat is actually a message that Matthew sent to Freddie Ovid, who's his, his training partner.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
Anyways, what we also saw was at with around between 65 and 70k to go. All of a sudden there was a split in the peloton.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yes.
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Johan Bruyneel
And. And Vingard was in the front, I think Walt Van Art was in the front. And initially Remco and today were not there.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, they'd stop for a wee though, hadn't they? Yeah, from what I understand.
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Johan Bruyneel
I also read that then afterwards, so. So basically it looked like it was groupama FDG of your old team boss, Mark. Yeah, I don't know if they, I mean, whatever. I mean, at some point, I mean, I'm just guessing, right, but at some point you see these kind of moves also. And I would guess especially from a French team, you know, they're looking, they need to do something, right. And you're. When they already see that they're not. They don't have the level. They don't have the level. I mean, they know they're not going to be in a stage if they don't have a portion of good luck. Right.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
And then they say, you know, okay, you know what? There's no more rules in motorcycling. Just go, you know, and it could have been that that was the case because when, yeah, normally when, when some of the big guys stop for, for, you know, for a piss, then. Yeah, they don't. The rules have changed, I guess they.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Have changed a lot. I mean, it was the unwritten rule in cycling, wasn't it, that when the yellow jersey stops, I mean, that in some ways you would always use that. I'd waited in 2012. We would use that to our, you know, to our advantage, you know. So when the race was attacking, attacking and they would finally get a group would go away and it was hovering at 15, 20 seconds and just to stop. Yeah, those more people attacking you would go to the front and pull over so everyone would see you'd stopped. Yeah, that would normally neutralize the race, but obviously those days seem to have long gone.
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Johan Bruyneel
Gone.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Gone.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah. Over.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, but still, what I, I mean, okay, group armor does this and, and then you see Jonas and, and, and wout. And then there was, I think there was two other Visma, Lisa back bridging up and they started to, they started to pull. I mean, I don't know why. Where are they going? I mean, I'm not too sure. Again, they're not gonna go anywhere.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No, no. And, and then that was true. You know, that's what happened a few times day. Jonas was in a position where he, you know, tried to maximize, you know, his advantage on that. That particularly when he was on that group there and he went off the front a little bit. And then the attack on the, on the main climb, where it was a great attack, he really came from sort of 10, 15 riders back on the right hand side of the road, and Tade was sort of on the left. So he caught Tad by surprise, but, you know, and it looked, looked like a good move. But then as it was over, a helicopter shot. And then he went through the, the summit of the climb and then backed off and then the group came up to him again. So it was a strange one because from the overhead shot, you couldn't see that they were approaching the summit. So it looked like a great attack. You know, that was halfway, the climb, whatever. But, you know, that one I couldn't really work out what, what was, what he was thinking there. But I mean, maybe he wants to test the legs. Yeah, I mean, aside from anything. Look, Jonas, this is, you know, as much as we keep saying, this is a different taday that we've never seen before in terms of his demeanor and, you know, the way he is on the bike. This is a different Jonas as well. This is a Jonas that is not settling for second place. And one thing you can say about Visma, they're here to win the race. And that's one thing you can say about it. They're not here. We might criticize their tactics at times, but I think, you know, we'll have a better idea. Tomorrow is the true stage of the.
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Johan Bruyneel
Tour de France now. Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know. Yeah, I think this is where we're going to see a. You know, if they are to try something, it would have to be on the Sulu tomorrow.
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Johan Bruyneel
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
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Johan Bruyneel
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
5. I go for 5. I take 2 a day. 2 a day?
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Johan Bruyneel
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well that was Paris Brussels, wasn't it? Which is a huge race at one time, wasn't it?
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a huge race. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And it was nearly 300 km, wasn't it?
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Johan Bruyneel
It was very long.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I used to love that race because you know, there was a few races that I loved and that was one of them that Skelda Price because they were EAS Finish.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know, you can.
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Johan Bruyneel
Another one like those. Another one was parur.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Par.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, was the same. You know, was. There was also. I mean, it was at the end of the season, but it was an easy race to finish. That's true.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
It saves you having to go out and do 250km rides.
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Johan Bruyneel
Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah. But in the case of Abrahamson, there's something that, that, you know, he's. He said in an interview on the move. I think you guys didn't talk about it, but what's really unbelievable is that four weeks ago, so the Tour de France is already a week and a half. True. So four weeks ago, this guy crashed in stage one in the Tour of Belgium and broke his collarbone. He had surgery the day after. Two days later he was on the home trainer. And two weeks, two and a half weeks after his crash, he started the Tour de France. A week and a half later, he wins a stage. How unbelievable is that? That's.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
That, that's. I couldn't believe it when you told me that.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, but.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, because I broke my collar. We all broke our collarbone. And that is, that is an incredibly fast recovery. I mean, not only starting the Tour de France two and a half weeks after the accident. I mean, you know how this first week has been in terms of crashes. The risk of crashing again.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, it is a risk. Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
But to stay upright. And not only that, you know, the trauma effect on your body from having a fall like that. And I've seen the crash you showed me before and it was a heavy fall.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, it was really bad.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
So. So to do what he's done and be in the break today and win a stage, I mean, that's quite incredible. In fact, that's probably one of the best comebacks from a broken collarbone I've seen.
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Johan Bruyneel
It's extraordinary. Extraordinary. I mean, you know, on top of the crash, but also having surgery. Yeah, yeah. You need a week to recover from that. Like your body. Right. And two days after he was on the. He was on the home trainer in the hospital. Really? After that? Yeah, yeah. He posted. I remember he posted it on his. On his Instagram. I couldn't find the video, but I said, what is he really thinking that he's going to do the Tour? As I said, there's no way he can do the Tour.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
And there he is. So there's another, I mean, another. Another well known fact about Jonas Abrahamson is that this is, this is a very unique. This is the writer who, I mean, he, he did a big interview about this, I think three years ago, he was a climber. I think he was. He will. He was weighing like just under 60 kilos, 58 kilos or something. We have this picture here to, to compare. And he decided that since as a climber, he didn't have enough opportunities to be with the best, he decided to gain weight and power to be a puncher and a breakaway rider. And if you look at these two different riders, this is the same rider. 58 kilos and, and 78 kilos. 20 kilos. 20 kilos. That's also unreal. I mean, it's. I've never heard of anything like that.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No.
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Johan Bruyneel
No.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I mean, normally you hear of riders that lose weight and increase their performance, but to, to have the, the confidence, or maybe it wasn't, but to think to go the other way and gain that amount of weight, because that is a lot of weight in modern day cycling to be carrying around. But it served him well. We saw him last year in the Tour de France in, in a number of breakaways. Held the king of the mountains jersey for a couple of days, and that's paid dividends. He's got his stage win this year. So, you know, it's, it's completely transformed him as a rider. That weight gain.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah. Well, I mean, now I can understand the, the way he had. This must be a hard hat. I mean, like, to do what he did after that collarbone. I can kind of, if he, this guy put it in his mind, he said, okay, I'm not gonna be good enough as a climber. I need to be a puncher. This is the weight. And then you need to be able to train and have the power to, to, to do that, you know, but whenever he's in, in a breakaway man, he's the engine. He, he's the engine of the breakaway always. And I actually didn't know he was that fast.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No, no. I mean, it was, it was a bit of a drag race, that sprint, wasn't it? I knew nothing about Mauro Schmidt. I had no idea. He's won quite a few races though, hasn't he, Schmidt?
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, and he's. I mean, he, he can win from a little group, you know, So, I mean, he, he didn't necessarily do the smartest move by leading it out, but I think he underestimated.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I think he was also. I think they were quite aware and fearful of Matu coming at quite a speed behind.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And it was a bit of a, you know, who had the most bottle, and Abrams have played it best for sure, for sure.
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Johan Bruyneel
But Abrahamson, in his interview said that he was confident in his sprint.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah, he.
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Johan Bruyneel
He knew. He knows that if it's a hard race, I mean, and both of them have done exactly the same amount of energy, you know, like they. They both attacked together from kilometer zero. So. So, I mean, that was. That was. Yeah, that was something. That was something. Let's see tomorrow's stage. We're going to talk about this first. We're going to talk about our daily Ventum trivia. As every day, Ventum lets you enter the contest. At the end of the Tour de France, we will pull out the winner of the contest for the grand prize of $5,000 of store credit for any Ventum bike you want to purchase on the website. Yesterday's stage was. Yesterday's question was who won? Who was the last Frenchman to win on a still day? I think Bradley in the move, it was not the correct answer that was given. It was Warren Bargil in 2017.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
Not. Not Thibaut Pinot 2019, but Warren Bargil or Bargui 2017. That seems like ages ago. Wow. I mean, it is. Yeah, it is. Eight years ago. Wow. And Warren Bargil is still in the race, by the way.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
Riding for picnic. Picnic post NL. Yeah. Today's question, stage 11 started and ended in the city of Toulouse. What historical significance does Toulouse hold in the Tour de France? So what historical significance does Toulouse hold in the Tour de France? You can pick two answers, so send your best guess or if you know the Correct answer to venomracing.com themove to enter in the contest if you don't want to wait until the end of the Tour. Ventum is also offering during the Tour, until the end of the Tour, a standing discount on their website. You get 10% off the whole site using the code. The move, 10 and 20 off. If you want to buy an NS1 bike, the bike that you're riding, Bradley, with the code NS120. Okay. Tomorrow stage, for the third time, I'm gonna say tomorrow the real Tour starts. We said that after the time trial. We said it after stage 10. But I think tomorrow it's the real deal.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah. Tomorrow is where we get to see Jonas in his element, you know, and. And really see what he has against T. Bagach and what Visma have as a team in the high mountains, because, you know, the strength that they have with Sepkus, Mat Jorgensen, Simon Yates. Those three guys are going to be key tomorrow on the type of climbs that we've got Tomorrow. And then of course, we've got W. Vanart who's into the second part of a grand tour where we know he shines. And then they've got a couple of other riders around that. But. But those four guys are going to be key tomorrow. And those four guys alone are stronger than what Tade has around him at the moment. Yeah, I mean, they look like they're, you know, grabbing at straws at the moment since. Since Almeida went, the young Ecuadorians done a great job. I think he's risen his game. Adam Yates is, you know, a real constant figure around him, but other than that, they're really scraping for teammates at the moment. And today we've said, you know, Taddy doesn't really need teammates at times, but everyone needs teammates no matter what.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And Tadde crashing today as well. Tadde crashing today as well. We don't know what the effects of that are going to be tomorrow.
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Johan Bruyneel
For me, that's the hard day to find out for him, for me, that's the main concern. That's the main concern.
- [27:53]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
After a crash, you know, he said, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine. The day after. You're not fine. You know, you're not fine.
- [27:59]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
No.
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Johan Bruyneel
There is something going on into your body.
- [28:01]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
So. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting, isn't it?
- [28:03]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, well, I'm gonna be gonna be.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Interested because, you know.
- [28:08]
Johan Bruyneel
Go ahead, go ahead.
- [28:09]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I was going to say it's going to be interesting tomorrow. You know, the talk about whether Visma should have profited today from today's fault. Tomorrow's where there's all bets are off and they could do what they like, you know, it's a fresh start tomorrow and I think that they're gonna. They're gonna make it hard on the Saloor and we. It could be a very interesting one tomorrow.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, well, I'm gonna go to the talk called the Solar, so I'll watch it live. I'll send you guys some little videos from there and then I hope I make it on time for our. For our show. Maybe you have to wait for 15 if I'm late, but. But yeah, I think tomorrow we'll finally see if you know what all this talk about, you know, on one side and the other hand on the other side. Otakam is an amazing climb. So, yeah, gonna be interesting. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks, Bradley. Speak soon.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, thank you, John. Thanks.
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Johan Bruyneel
Okay, bye.
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