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Tour de France Stage 12 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show
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Johan Bruyneel and Sir Bradley Wiggins peel back the curtain on the tactics, strategy, and pivotal moments that shaped Stage 12 of the 2025 Tour de France, offering sharp analysis and insider perspective you won’t hear anywhere else. LMNT: Get your...
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know, he's now looking like the biggest rival for the green jersey competition. He got more points today. And looking ahead on, on the profile of the stages, it doesn't look like Jonathan Milan is going to really score any points until the last few stages. Based on the next week, Tade is now in the king of the mountains jersey again. And of course, you know, we said at the top of the show, the last man to win all three jerseys in the tour was 69 and Merckx. So he's getting closer to the mercs that we all remember. I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner, Sir Bradley Wiggins.
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Johan Bruyneel
And I'm Johan Brunel. I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggle and Johan show, our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France. Everybody, welcome back to our show as every day presented by Ketone IQ talking about stage 12 of this year's Tour de France. The big first mountain stage from Oak Oak to Hotam. 180 kilometers. 120 kilometers. Flattish. I mean I would say flattish, not I'm actually at here on site and I did the course and it was not flat, let me tell you. That was not really flat that first part. Um, but with finish on hot mythical climb. Very hard climb. I'm here as every day joined by Bradley. Bradley Wiggins. Sir Bradley Wiggins. Thank you Bradley for being here and thank you for taking the time to be to do so late because as I'm here our time schedule got a bit messed up. But Brad. Yeah. What a stage, huh? And, and what's your takeaway of the day?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, I mean it's a predictable one, but my take of the day of course is the, the complete dominant display of the current world champion and someone who's heading to be heading, heading for being one of the great, well the greatest of all time. I think. You know, he's, he's what he's doing at the moment with every ride and every win that he does is, is in my eyes gets closer to the great Eddie Merckx, you know, and watching him today as world champion on hotel, you know, it's not a particularly historic climb in the Tour de France, but it does have some history and some great riders have been up here and one up it. But he's added his name to that list today. And the thing I couldn't not think about watching him today, you know, he went from the bottom of the climb and the display. He put on today after crashing yesterday was, was of the greats. You know, he, you know Lance, Eddie Merckx and so on. But this is a guy who won the Tour of Flanders in April. You know, a week later he was second in Paris Roubaix. But he was in the front in Paris Roubaix with Matthew van der Poel, one of the greatest classic riders there's probably ever been. And here he is in July putting on a display like that on a mountain finish in the Tour de France. Now leading by three and a half minutes. That's my take of today.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I, I cannot say, I cannot add anything to that Bradley. I mean it's, it's, it's unbelievable. As you say what, you know, we're, we're talking about it as if it would be something normal. Okay. He's probably going to win his fourth Tour de France but you know, thinking about the fact that he was dominating to the Flanders almost, I mean in contention to win Paridobe already in, in, in Milan, San Remo. Up there with all the best.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
This is unique. I think we're witnessing a unique rider. And, and I agree it takes us back to a rider like Eddie Merckx to, to, to really see a rider like this who can basically win any, any, any race. Quite unique.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
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Johan Bruyneel
First time in 14 years, Bradley.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
14 years, yeah. I mean, how was.
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Johan Bruyneel
Was. It was great, you know, I mean, I was, I was invited by Sporza, Belgian tv, for a famous program, Viva Levillo. Yeah, by. By Carl Van Newkerke, who I think you had an interview with a few weeks ago.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No, I was on the same show.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
So, yeah, I mean, it was, There was part. I mean, we had. We spent the whole day. I went to the start, with the start. I had an official Tour de France ASO accredited pass. So that was quite unique. And I have to say I was pleasantly surprised, you know, when first we went to the. What they call the Village de Par, which is, you know, where. Where all the guests gather and you can see people and speak with the press and so many familiar faces there. I had, you know, the honor to. To be able to chat with one of the greats of Bernard Tavennet, double Tour de France winner. I remember Bernard Tavernet as being the mean guy to me as a child because he was the guy who was responsible for the downfall of the great Eddie Merckx. Right. He was childhood. That was. Yeah. And a very pleasant chat. I mean, we, we had exchanged messages in the past because he had an accident and we were, we were exchanging messages, but. But yeah, that was good. So on the. Andy Schleck, he's there with Skoda, his brother Frank Schleck. Many, many people in the. In the Village departure. You know, I also went to check on the. The list of all the past winners of the Tour de France. And yeah, it's been a change. There's been a. Yeah, there's been a change. You know, there's been. In the past. The seven years of lands were left blank and now they put the name of Lance Armstrong back on there, so. With an asterisk behind it. But it's progress. That's progress. So. But it was, you know, it felt. I mean, I was, I was a bit. I mean, I'm not going to say nervous, you know, because. But, you know, I was. I say especially for the people of aso, you know, to do. But I saw a bunch of them, you know, all of them are more. They're almost all ex cyclists. Many of them were from actually my generation, you know, like. Yeah, Pascalino, for example. Pascalino, yeah, he was great. He's my age or a year younger or something. Yeah, so we, I I know Pascal since Junior, basically because we were on the French track.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
He was great.
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Johan Bruyneel
He's on the French track team and, and I was on the Belgian track team. So Thierry Gouvernu, the, the director, you know, of the, of the course, actually. So it was all very, very, very pleasant. So it, it was nice. Very nice, Very good.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And what, what did you make of the racing up close? You were on the Col du Solo, wasn't you?
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, yeah. Well, first, first before the start of the race, then I went to the buses to go and see a few ex colleagues. That was also very cool. I was, I mean, when I was talking to Steven de Jong, one of the, the directors of, of Little Trek, and that was. I was pleasantly surprised to see a young cyclist jump out of the bus. Quinn Simmons, who I've been in contact a tiny bit with over Instagram, but I had never met him. So he jumped out of the bus and was very eager to have a picture, which we see here. So that was cool. And I told, actually I told Quinn that I was extremely impressed with his form, his power, and that if he chose his moment, that in my opinion, he has a stage win in the legs. So, so, so, yeah, but, but yeah, and then we basically drove, drove the course until the, until the Col de Sulur, which, which is a different experience also, because, you know, you. I've always seen it obviously from either. From the bike, long time ago, and then from the car, and now you're driving the course, which is. Yeah, and it's quite impressive, actually. You know, it's, it's, it's. The Tour has grown definitely, you know, since I've left. It's bigger and bigger and bigger. It's just a big machine, you know, it's, it's, it's crazy how, how massive it is, but it was nice. It was nice. Very nice.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
Well.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
And what was it like seeing the riders up close on the Sulu? I mean, we were talking just before.
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Johan Bruyneel
You came on, wasn't it? Yeah. So we went to the Col de Sulor and yeah, I mean, you have, obviously. And I'm going to rely a bit on you, Bradley, to tell us a little bit about what happened during this stage, because in the Pyrenees, in that, in this part of France, there's no cell phone coverage. We had no, no images. So basically the first time we knew what was going on was when I saw the riders on. On Call du Solor. We were about 5km from the top and it was, it was, it was, it was cool. I Mean, you know, the. The guys were suffering, obviously. It was. It had been very, very fast before the climbs, and then a hard pacing of Visma. And when they passed, it was just the moment that Remco was getting dropped. He was about. I think he was about 30 seconds behind there already. But, yeah, big group. First of all, the remainder of the 52 guys. I think there was about 15 guys left in front of the favorite group. But I want to show this little video here, Bradley, which is very telling. The moment that the group of favorites passes. I had a cameraman with me, and this is Tadepogachar passing the cameraman. He doesn't know this guy at all. And when he looks into the lens, you will see here. He starts smiling at the camera for no reason. You know, he. It's a guy he doesn't know here, you see, look, he looks into the lens and he starts smiling, which by. By then, when I saw this and when the guy showed me the. The images here, we see. Right.
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Unknown
That's incredible.
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Johan Bruyneel
And this is. This is the moment when. When Simon Yates is pulling. You can see clearly see Jurgens just from them is on the limit. And he smiles to a guy who has never. Who he has never seen before.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
When this guy told me and showed me the image, I said, okay. You know, I knew it was gonna happen. That was. That was crazy. That was really crazy.
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Unknown
Yeah, I mean, he.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
He's.
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Unknown
But.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
But that's just an example, isn't it? That's just an example of his confidence.
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Unknown
Yeah, I mean, it's just.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, it's. It's a different. I mean, it's obviously a different view for me to see this from this angle. You know, I had never done this. I had never. This is the first time ever I was at the tour in. In you. These guys are suffering. I mean, all of them. You know, I think it was. I mean, it was extremely hot also. 36, 37 degrees. Yeah, but it was. It was. Yeah, it was. It was special. It was special. But before Bradley, so what. What happened so I could follow a little bit the big group? Yeah, so 52 riders, which was very special. 52 riders.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
52 riders, when every team was present, represented other than post nl, with obviously Oscar only's team. They were all around. Oscar and Unox took up the chase. So Unox were the ones who kept it at 1 minute 29 or 1 minute 30 for most of the day. They were joined a little bit by education first, who obviously had the jersey and. And to honor that. And then once we hit the Suor, then, because it wasn't that much of a gap, you know, they start falling away from the front. There was only six riders really riding in the front. The other 46 or so were sat on. So, okay, you know, and then, and then Visma took up the pace as we expected on, on the Suor, they rode quite a hard pace and pretty much within a few K it was splintered right down. And then we saw the first sign of Remco getting dropped. You know, I, I think it almost getting dropped doesn't do him justice really because of, of the end result for Remco. I think Remco played it very well today. From a, from A, you know, he didn't go with the big sort of accelerations. He decided to ride his own pace, A to B, as fast as possible and, and, and limit his losses from the sulaw. And he did the same on Hotakam and we saw the result of him doing that. But Visma really, I mean, as we expected they would do that, but they, they then their flat, their plan started to fall apart then really when Matteo Jorgensen started getting dropped from, from the group when it was down to eight or 10 riders, and that put a spanner in the works, at which point they took their foot off the gas set. Chris dropped down the group and kind of went looking for Mateo and, and eventually found him and, and Mateo got back. They then went over the summit. They didn't re. Accelerate. They, you know, they, people started coming back to that group. And then on the descent, quite a few riders came back, one of which was Remco. So they joined, they hit the, the last climb of the day on with quite a few riders, at least 30 or 40 riders. And by that time they'd caught Tim Wellands from the break as well. Wellands had waited back, he was in the break and Tim pulled the last four to five, six kilometers into the bottom of Hodam, by which time then Navarus took over the bottom of the climb and it, it worked perfect. And Navarus really made a big acceleration and then Tade did what he normally does. He went off the back of that acceleration and it was devastating. When he did go, Jonas attempted to stay with him as long as possible, maybe 5, 600 meters. And once Jonas got dropped, Tade pretty much backed off as well as we've seen him do. And gap was at about 5, 6 seconds. And then with every kilometer, Tade just took another seven seconds each kilometer. From that point on so it was, it, it was a, an incredible display, really. And Jonas never looked like coming back. I mean, between the pair of them, Jonas looked like he was on his limit for most of the climb. And, you know, the whole plan really backfired on Bismarck. But at the same time, I, I don't see what else they could have tried today because they'd already made it very vocal about what they were going to do during the week. So.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, no, no. Okay. Well, I got, I just got a really good play by play of what I haven't seen today, so. So thank you for that. I have some doubts and some questions about strategies and we can debate about that. Before we do that, I just want to talk about our other sponsor, Ketone iq. We know that ketones are widely used nowadays in the peloton and in almost all endurance sports. Ketone has teamed up with KU Leuven to do some studies. It's been proven scientifically that they boost athletic performance. And in a placebo controlled study with trained athletes, Ketone IQ boosted average sprint power by 19%, peak power by 13%, cut fatigue by 10%, and spiked blood ketones five times in just 20 minutes. It's also been proven that it helps for a faster recovery. Keton IQ is the official sponsor of Visma Lisa bike and so they did more testing to explore recovery and high altitude adaptation. They found that it improved the blood flow and higher muscle oxygenation, which provides better endurance and stamina. So go to ketone.com and enter the code. The move 20 for 20% off. So that's the move.com the move 20 at checkout for 20% off. Bradley, in terms of strategy, I agree that Visma today had to try something. And especially after the crash yesterday, you know, I mean, it was a hard crash. I mean, at least that's what it looked like. He went down hard and especially the day after and two days after you never know how the body's going to respond. So I think they had to do something. Now what? I. They tried something, but. But how many guys did Visma have in the breakaway? They had company arts, I think.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No, no, they just had.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, yeah. So I think that's. And that's obviously difficult to, to, to plan because, you know, in my opinion, if a group of 52 riders goes, that's because there's been chaos and all of a sudden, boom, they're gone. And you're either in speed, some people were in it without trying to be in it, and some people just were caught out. But you know, Today's plan should have been, in my opinion, Visma. The two guys that needed to be in the breakaway were Campenaerts and Walt Van Aert. They should have been in that break. And then I don't know, you know, I agree, you know, we've been critical about Visma a little bit and you know, and then people say, okay, what should they do? And I guess today they had to try. Right. My opinion, my impression is, I don't know what you think that Visma is a team, it's extremely well organized, they have set out plans and I've seen already in the past a few times that for some reason, I don't know what the reason is, that they're unable to adapt their pre race plan to the situation. Why I'm saying this, there's 52 riders in front this EF pulling and you know, X. But also Neil Spallett was pulling very, very, very hard at that point. I think it's easy to deduct that UAE and Telepogachar want the stage win. Otherwise why would pull it be pulling? It doesn't really matter if there's 30, 20 or 10 riders ahead. Bugacha can still attack on Hotakam and try to drop. So he wanted the stage for him. So at that point when Kampenard started to pull on the solor, I mean, Victor Campenaert is in great shape, you know, I mean, it's amazing what he's doing, don't get me wrong. But the pace of Victor Campenaerts on the Sulorp is not going to do any damage to Pugachar all or his guys that need to be with him. Whether it's Adam Yates, Narvis, even Mark Soler, you know, it's not going to do anything to those guys. So then I think, okay, why don't they let UAE do the work on the solo? Because why I'm saying this because when, when, when the guys passed me the favorites with 5k to go on the solor Visma. So it was, I guess it was like 10, 15 riders, I don't remember exactly, but it was Simon Yates pulling for Visma.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
And so then I'm thinking, okay, well if pulling here, what are they going to do on, on, on hot, there's nobody left.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No.
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Johan Bruyneel
So no, you know, okay, listen, it's, it is, it is easy, of course to criticize and to say, okay, they didn't do this right. When we all know that it didn't work out right. That's easy. That's Easy. No, they had to do something. But today we saw again, the same thing that they have been doing all day. Okay. All the stages they are riding and so called to make the race hard. But they don't make the race hard for today. No, they do the work for today.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
The interest. Yeah, yeah, no, exactly that. I mean, you know, this is the thing. I mean, they. What they did today is obviously, you know, they had to. They had to stick to their plan that they've been riding since Lille, because they've made it very clear what they're attempting to do for the first 10 days of this Tour. So they couldn't really, you know, change that plan today. They. They. Otherwise, everything they've done in the previous eight or nine days would have been worthless, pointless. But it makes you question whether, you know, the fact that Mato got dropped today and didn't have a great day and they weren't able to pull it off then. You know, they've spent a lot of matches the last few days with Mato and, and these attacks they've been doing. But the big question now is, where do they go from here? They're three and a half minutes down. We have a time trial tomorrow where potentially he could be five minutes down in second place on gc. You know, where do they go from here as a team? Now, Mateo dropped to 10th overall, 10 minutes behind. So it's, you know.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, that card of potential, having the second guy as a potential threat is gone now.
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Unknown
Yeah, Right.
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Johan Bruyneel
And I think also Bradley for tomorrow, like, after today, it's. It's. It's a time loss, but it's also a big mental blow. You know, it's today they're in the corner where, you know, they were hit hard, you know, so. So we'll see. I mean, it's. Listen, for us, it's easy to say, you know, okay, they should do this. They should do this. But, yeah, I mean, I think a plan needs to be adapted to the situation, you know, because you can't execute the plan if there's a lot of other variables that you don't control and that, that, you know, that plan doesn't work anymore. Or some plans don't work anymore.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
And also I think if you want to make the race hard, you have this, this strategy and you see that on that particular day, I mean, let's not forget this is stage 12, there's still nine stages.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Right.
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Johan Bruyneel
So if you see that on that particular day, one of the. Your guys, one of your key cards, which Is Matteo Jurgensen is having not such good day. Back off, back off and let him, you know, would it have changed in the end? Probably not. I don't think so.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know, I mean, at the end of the day, we're trying to, we're trying to figure out how you can beat someone who's going to go down as the greatest cyclist of all time. You know, and it's, it's funny, isn't it? But I think, like, you know, I agree with you there, really. I wonder now, you know, hindsight's a wonderful thing, but I wonder now, if you took this race back to Lil and said to Visma, what would you do differently now? Knowing what happened on Hotel cam, what would you do differently? I mean, there is a, you know, you, you just let them ride all week and what if a group went up the road with other favorites in and it was like five minutes and say, you chase, we're not chasing. You guys chase and just give them the onus because that's the only way is to utilize uae. Don't forget Tally didn't have Almeida either today.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, you know, no, I mean, that's crazy. I mean, I, I Crazy, crazy.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
I still think had Al Joel Almeida been there healthy, no crashes, he'll be on the podium at this stage. I still think he'd be on the podium.
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Johan Bruyneel
I think today if, if you take today's stage and let's just put Almeida back in there without the crash and you know, you do the normal tiredness of, of, of 12 days. The way I see this is if it's instead of Narweis, it's Almeida, they take off, both of them together.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
But what to say about Jonathan Narweis, Bradley, that guy? I mean, I think, I mean, I may be wrong, you know, but I think that if you look at the eight riders together with Almeida, I think Narvais was basically brought to the Tour to be in, in, in week one, you know, being the lead out for those short attacks.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
You know, on, on those steep climbs, he stepped up now and you know.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Like, no, Vice Navice was brilliant today. That's the best I've seen him ride.
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Johan Bruyneel
This Tour, but I know I've never seen him in, in high mountains like this.
- [25:44]
Unknown
No, no, you know, he could, he.
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Johan Bruyneel
Can do short, explosive climbs. That was, that was incredible. And on top of that, you know, because normally was Narweis, Adam Yates, and today. And when Adam Yates was not able to follow, he went again and did the lead out.
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Unknown
Right, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
So another thing I wanted to ask you your opinion about Bradley. So we've seen that both, I mean, all the whole UAE team and also, but also Jonas in a mountain stage were on their aero bikes. I can tell you what I found out being at the race. So I spoke to Machin, the, the sports manager of uae.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
I asked him about the aero bikes and he said, you know what I mean, they're not heavy. They're 7.1 kilos, so they're only 300 grams heavier than the climbing bike or the light bike they have. The guys like the bike. And we've seen now that at a very low speed from above anything above 18 kilometers per hour, apparently the aero bike is better and the guys like it. And if you factor in the 120km at high speed before those three last climbs. Yeah, that's the reason. So do you, do you agree with that?
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
No, I can see that. I can see from the, the wind tunnel stuff that I've done in the past with British cycling and sky and that, you know, you can see gains on the right equipment at speeds of 20 kilometers now. I mean, it's all, it's all relative and it's all, you know, it's, it's, it's all, you know, those things do make a difference. And when you factor in, you know, Taday's speeds at times, I mean, at certain times on that climb, the speeds he would have been riding, particularly on the approach to the climb in that first part of the climb, you know, it all makes a difference and it all adds up. So I can see that. Yeah, I can, I can believe that.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
What else do we have? So anyway, Jonas, I mean, what to say about Jonas.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
You know, what do we say about now? I mean, he's, he's, you know, is he gonna now protect his second place overall for the next week and a half? I mean, of course he is in some capacity, but they were here to win this race and, But I don't know what else he can do now. He's got to try something different as he or the team have to have a different approach and rethink things.
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Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, I think personally Jonas didn't have a great day today. You know, I mean, he, he, he didn't look his usual self. I've seen the numbers also today. Today's Jonas is, is not as good as Jonas was in the Pyrenees last year, but significantly less. You know, like, we all know that. For example, he, his team published some data saying that his ascent to the bay last year was his best ever. Today he was far from that level.
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Unknown
So.
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Johan Bruyneel
We'Ll have to see now if this is. This is a trend or if he can recover. You know, I mean, it looks like the battle for third is probably not going to be a threat for Jonas. So he's like in. In the middle of there, you know, like, probably doesn't need to do much to protect his second place, but what can he do to get closer to the first place? That's. I think that's the question.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
Another guy. I want to point out that that.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
Difference might be a lot more tomorrow after this time draw, you know?
- [29:33]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
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Johan Bruyneel
If. Listen, if tomorrow it's five minutes, Bradley, I don't know what we're going to talk about in the last week. We're gonna have to. Yeah, we're gonna have to look the Pugacha show, you know, that we're gonna have to enjoy the today Pugacha show, which personally I like. I mean, I love it when the best rider of this generation just wins and crushes everywhere. I love that.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Sir Bradley Wiggins
So the other thing with Tada is, you know, he's now looking like the biggest rival for the green jersey competition. He got more points today. And looking ahead on. On the profile of the stages, it doesn't look like Jonath is gonna really score any points until the last few stages, based on the next week.
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Unknown
Yeah.
- [30:18]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Tad is now in the king of the mountains jersey again. And of course, you know, we said at the top of the show, the last man to win all three jerseys in the tour was 69 and Mercs. So he's. He's getting closer to the mercs that we all remember.
- [30:33]
Johan Bruyneel
Yeah, that would be something. And is it. Is it today? Is it stage win number 20 in the tour?
- [30:38]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
20?
- [30:39]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
- [30:40]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
And it'll be 21 tomorrow.
- [30:43]
Johan Bruyneel
There's another. There's another record that might be approaching. I mean, not this year, of course, but, you know. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. Hey, I also want to shout out Florian Lipovitz. What a ride.
- [30:57]
Unknown
Yeah, great ride.
- [30:59]
Johan Bruyneel
You know, this guy, if I'm not mistaken, he started cycling five years ago. Five years ago, Bradley, he was. He was. He was a biathlon athlete, you know, skiing and shooting. The biathlon.
- [31:13]
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [31:14]
Johan Bruyneel
And he took up cycling because he didn't make any progress in, you know, And I mean, I think this guy is probably. I mean, the way you see him ride, the mistakes he makes sometimes, still, tactically, this guy can still improve a lot yeah. And, and I think this is probably the biggest rival for Remco in the podium and for the white jersey also. By the way, he's also still in the running for the white jersey.
- [31:42]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [31:44]
Johan Bruyneel
By the way, did you guys. I don't know. I don't know what it was. Did you guys see Primo's roglic and his socks?
- [31:50]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [31:52]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, you guys did see.
- [31:54]
Johan Bruyneel
What was that about?
- [31:57]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
I think he said, I saw interview at the finish with him.
- [32:00]
Johan Bruyneel
He said there an explanation.
- [32:02]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
He saw it was, it was cooler, you know, from a, from a staying cool point of view. And then he made a joke that his tan lines, he was working on his tan lines for summer.
- [32:17]
Johan Bruyneel
By the way, I forgot, I forgot to say so sorry about this. The video. I promised, I promised the cameraman of sorry Sporza that I would give him the credit, you know. So the video you showed, you saw of today smiling to the camera is courtesy of Klaas Bakkers of Global Films. Sorry about that class. I forgot to say that tomorrow stage we're going to talk about this first Vintam trivia as every day, you know. So last question from yesterday was stage 11. Stage 11 started and ended in Toulouse. What historical significance does Toulouse hold in the Tour de France? Do you know the answer, Bradley?
- [33:03]
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah.
- [33:04]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
It was featured in the very first Tour de France in 1903.
- [33:08]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [33:09]
Johan Bruyneel
Correct. Today's question for stage 12. It's about the Hotakam Klein, first featured in 1994, has earned a reputation as an infamous Pyrenean climb, including stage 12. How many times has it been featured in the Tour de France? So how many times in the history of the Tour has Khotakam been featured? Send your best guess or if you know the answer to ventumracing.com themove to be entered to win this year's grand prize of $5,000 store credit towards any Ventum bike you want to purchase. If you don't want to wait until the end of the Tour, Ventum also has a standing discount during the remainder of the tour. 10% off the whole site using the code the move. 10 and 20% off any NS1 bike with the code NS120Phantom Racing.com okay, Brady. Tomorrow stage. What is it? Is it a time trial? Is it the mountain stage? Is it. What is it? How do. How do you definitely.
- [34:17]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, it's a mountain time trial.
- [34:19]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [34:20]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
A couple of kilometers. You know, I wouldn't say they're flat, but they're getting into the climb and then it's you know, 3km onwards to the finish. It's, it's some stereotype, you know, decent percentage and some, some pretty steep ramps at the, in the final QK.
- [34:35]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [34:35]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
So it's, you know, it's going to be 35, 40 minutes of sustained effort off the back of today in hotel cam and you know, the choice of equipment is going to be, is key for lots of people tomorrow. We've heard rumors that Remco and of course Jonas will be riding a time job bike. That remains to be seen how that that ends up for them. And then of course, you know, the psychological, you know, the psychological in the psychology of it in terms of Tada going off last and two minutes ahead of him. Is Jonas on the road and, and.
- [35:14]
Johan Bruyneel
He'S gonna see him?
- [35:16]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Well, you know, Lance said on the show today, you know, I know what that feels like. You know, I've been there, you know, when he was chasing after Jan and obviously that's, that's a big one for Jonas tomorrow is to not get caught.
- [35:31]
Unknown
Man.
- [35:31]
Johan Bruyneel
Imagine that. Imagine if Jonas Wingergard, the second guy in the Tour de France, gets caught by Tade Pogachar. It's not impossible. You know, two, two minutes is a lot, right? So today he lost 2 minutes 10 on a 12 kilometer, 10, 13 kilometer climb. It's different. I don't think he's gonna catch him, but he's gonna be close. It's gonna be within 30, 40 seconds.
- [35:58]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [35:59]
Johan Bruyneel
So, yeah, we'll see. We'll be back tomorrow for the stage. Thank you, Bradley. Thank you for your patience with my busy schedule here and talk soon. Thanks.
- [36:09]
Sir Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. Thank you, guys.