
Johan Bruyneel and Sir Bradley Wiggins peel back the curtain on the tactics, strategy, and pivotal moments that shaped Stage 17 of the 2025 Tour de France, offering sharp analysis and insider perspective you won’t hear anywhere else....
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Johan Brunel
You have to say about, about Ineos, they, they did completely change their way of riding their racing style the whole season already. But also in the studio, France and they got a nice victory with Arnsman.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of, one of only a few teams to one stages in this race. I think there's 15 teams that haven't won a stage.
Johan Brunel
Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
Including for, you know, I think it's the first time in a long time that the French, a French team hasn't won a stage.
Johan Brunel
Yeah. No French team has won a stage. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Just one French rider on Ciudad quickstep.
Bradley Wiggins
I'm the 2012 Tour de France winner, Sir Bradley Wiggins.
Johan Brunel
And I'm Johan Brunel. I directed my teams to nine Tour de France victories. Welcome to the Sir Wiggle and Johan show, our daily show where we dive deep into the tactics behind every stage of the Tour de France. Hi, everybody. Welcome to our show. We're talking today about stage 617 from Bolan to Valance. 170 kilometers flattish, you know, some little hills. As every day presented by Ketone iq. And as every day, I'm happy to be here with Bradley Wiggins. Bradley, how did you see the stage? What's your main takeaway of the day?
Bradley Wiggins
Well, my take of today, of course is, I would say Jonathan Milan, you know, pretty much consolidating green. Barring any crazy mishap or misfortune, he took as as many points as he could today with a finish and of course getting fifth in the intermediate sprint as well. And part of that was because of the job that little track did for him, really. They threw everything they had at marshalling the brakes today, keeping the break safe enough distance and then looking after him in a very sketchy final when the rain came and Jonathan delivered. So I think that was, you know, well on his way to, I think, being the first rider to ever win the Chiclomino jersey at the Giro and the points jersey at the Tour de France. In the same year, on the verge of history.
Johan Brunel
Well, in the same year. What would that.
Bradley Wiggins
No one's done it. No one's done it.
Johan Brunel
But he hasn't done it either.
Bradley Wiggins
No, he hasn't. No. He's on the verge of making history.
Johan Brunel
He was not. He was not at the Giro.
Bradley Wiggins
It was not the Jew. Oh, no, he wasn't mad, wasn't he?
Johan Brunel
It's little track.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, fair point.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, he won it last year. He won it last.
Bradley Wiggins
He won it last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Johan Brunel
Yeah. No, that's that's, I mean, listen, we, we thought it was going to be a bunch print. So it was. There was so much interest, right. Of several teams. It was a little track and Sudal and Jaycob and yeah, it was clear it was going to be a bunch print. Probably the last chance there's not going to be another bunch print because I.
Bradley Wiggins
Think stage we don't know how Paris is going to turn out, do we? We don't know with this new finish.
Johan Brunel
Well, if it's going to be a bunch print, it's going to be reduced group. You're going to have to be like. And 30 riders. Yeah. Call it the bunch print, right?
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah. That remains to be seen, doesn't it?
Johan Brunel
Yeah, for sure.
Bradley Wiggins
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Johan Brunel
Okay, Bradley, so we start the stage. I mean I haven't seen it from kilometer zero, but when I, when I turned on the, the broadcast there was a break of 4R. Very, very strong riders.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
Johan Brunel
Jonas Abrahamson, Canton Pache. Is it Pache or Pachec? Not expensive. No, it's not expensive. You know, then Burgodo, also strong rider and Vincenzo Albanese. So four really strong guys and, but it was clear from, I mean they never gave them more than two minutes. So I, I, at some point I was, I was thinking, you know, when it started to rain, could this be in the advantage? Maybe, you know, they want to, they don't want to take risks in the peloton. But it turned out to be, yeah, just the usual breakaway. Jonas Abrahamson though, he's there again. What a, what a strong guy.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I mean he's won a stage. He's obviously, you know, he was, he was, he was quite consistent in last year's Tour de France, wasn't he? Held the king of the mountains jersey.
Johan Brunel
For a couple of days.
Bradley Wiggins
But in how many breaks last year? Six breakaways, I think in the Tour de France last year.
Johan Brunel
Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
Crashing in the tour of Belgium 10 days before the race that's operated on that still blind.
Johan Brunel
Blows my mind.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, it still blows my mind. And then of course there's one a stage. And of course, you know, X were the, one of the wild cards of this race. So, yeah, very, very impressive. And then was the last man standing today in the rain.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, yeah. Interesting, interesting little detail I discovered today. By, I mean actually your, your ex teammate, you remember him, Nicolas Fritsch. You were with him on FDG, I guess he told me that in 2017 he did Les Tape du Tours, which is the grand fondo of the Tour. So one, one of the big stages is always in the top du Tour, whatever. 15,000 people participating. And in 2017, Jonas Abrahamson won L' Etab du Tour over the Cole Elizoire, which is, I mean the W2 is always a mountain stage. Right. He was 18 kilos lighter than now. So we've talked about his transformation, right, and how he decided to gain weight. But, but yeah, I didn't, I didn't know that, that in 2017 he won. He won. Lit up. Anyways, we see this, this breakaway. Bradley, there's a lot going on in the peloton. Right. First of all, the teams are pacing, but then I want to ask your, your thoughts on what INEOS action was for on one of those climbs. They went full gas.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I, I actually don't know. I, I, I'm not too sure what they're ambition was with that. What do you think?
Johan Brunel
Well, I mean, the only thing I can think about was that they, because they went really fast on a, on a Cat 4 climb, they did obtain separation. The, the sprinters got dropped and the only thing I can think of is that they wanted to sprint with Axel Lawrence, which, you know, is a fast guy. Now there's probably other guys who can beat Axel Laurence. So I don't really understand what they, what they were doing. They were impressive.
Bradley Wiggins
I mean, yeah, I mean, I think, I think there's also an element with them, especially with Dave Browser being back on the race where, I mean, this is kind of where this was classic Dave, where, you know, rather than thinking the Tour is done now and all switching off and, and kind of just rolling into Paris, he kind of get. Musters the troops to, to maybe have an objective of some sort, even if it's not the most obvious one, you know.
Johan Brunel
Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
And get them still, you know, kind of being competitive in this race. So I mean, there's that sort of classic Dave really in the sense that, you know, keeping their heads high, having, making sure that they're still contributing to the race in some form. So. Yeah, I mean, from that point of view, I can, I can understand that Even, even with, you know, just making the race, even if there's no sort of outcome for them.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, yeah. Because I think, I mean, I, I do understand that, you know, you have to have something to do with your team to, to keep the team together and motiv. Just, you know, it's very easy to.
Bradley Wiggins
Switch off in this part of the tourism.
Johan Brunel
Exactly. That the guys after the stage, even if you don't obtain the result, you still go away with a good feeling.
Bradley Wiggins
Because they were talking about them. We're now talking about them having done something.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were. I mean, on a fourth category climb, the pedal tone was shattered. Almost all the sprinters were dropped. But then you kind of know that it's going to come back together because the thing is with these kind of actions, Bradley and I don't know what your opinion is of that. You know, the effort and the energy and the power you need to make that separation, then you still need to have the power to keep it going. And that's where you can blow up your team and you can blow up the whole peloton, but then you have nobody left to go, right? And especially judging how high the stakes are at the tour, they knew that little track was going to do everything they could to score points today and, and even Sudal, I mean, and you saw clearly that there was people with, with Milan, there was people with Merlier in the back. But those two teams also sent back two of their strong riders.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah.
Johan Brunel
Including. Including Quinn Simmons at some point. So, so yeah, that was a bit, a bit strange. And then another, I mean you, if you have little track, Israel Soudal, Jacob controlling. Yeah, I mean, but you're right, you know, I think it's about finding things to do and, and that they can take. Take away with a good feeling and use it to build upon. That's it. Yeah, right. Yeah. You have to say about, about Ineos, they, they did completely change their way of riding their racing style the whole season already. But also in the Studio France and they, yeah, got a nice victory with Aram's one.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of, one of only a few teams to one stages in this race. I think there's still 15 teams that haven't won a stage. Yeah, including for, you know, I think it's the first time in a long time that the French, a French team hasn't won a stage.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, no French team has won a stage. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Just one French rider on Sudok quickstep.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
Johan Brunel
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
Johan Brunel
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Bradley Wiggins
What?
Johan Brunel
Von aert. All of a sudden there's four riders away. They have one minute. Peace has returned to the bunch after Milan and all the sprinters came back. You kind of know that that's it, right? I mean, unless one of these guys pulls out an amazing performance and takes off. Always possible, but you know, Walton Art attacks on another Cat 4 climb and straight away takes off 30 seconds and then stagnates and goes back to the bunch. What were you guys. I mean, I'm pretty sure you guys were all watching together then.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
Johan Brunel
What were you guys saying about this move?
Bradley Wiggins
Well, I mean, normally with it, with anyone else who would do that, you would think it was a suicide move. But with wow, you know, into the third week into a Grand Tour, we know what he's capable of doing. He would have heard that it was starting to rain up ahead and the roads were going to get wet, and he was perhaps preempting that and getting up the road, you know, obviously preempting a. A lull in the peloton, perhaps. And. And, you know, you wouldn't put it past wow to have jumped across to that breakaway at that point and get closer. He did stagnate out there, but at time, he closed in quick and then stopped, you know, and then. And then, you know, going away again from that breakaway and perhaps trying to win solo, we've seen him do in the past.
Johan Brunel
Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
And obviously, with the knowledge or with the pre. Information that it was wet up ahead and it was raining and it was technical and it was going to get chaotic. So I think there was an element of that from. From wow. Just to test his legs and. And go for a stage win.
Johan Brunel
And probably also, you know, I'm gonna guess. I mean, I'm just thinking out loud here, you know, not. Not having any information. Walt probably initially had a plan that he would actually try to sprint. Now, knowing that it was raining and knowing that Walt takes less risks than before, we need to be honest about that. Maybe he just said, okay, you know, I'm just gonna give it a try. I'm not gonna sprint anyway today because it's raining, and I don't want to risk my life, and. Yeah, I mean, you can't. If I agree, if it would have been any other rider would say, what is he doing? But you can't pass. Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
He might have anticipated that some more riders may have came with him as well.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, that didn't work, but then, you know, I mean, I want to talk about Quinn Simmons today. Bradley. Quinn Simmons. What a job has he been doing pulling in the peloton going back, actually, initially, when Milan and all the sprinters were dropped, he stayed up front and he kind of controlled that movement. And then finally he went back. Then he brought the sprinters back, and then he still kept pulling. And especially seeing how he crossed the finish line, he was actually even happier than Milan.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. And you could see his teammates towards him as well. When he crossed the line, he was the hero of the day for that team. Absolutely. Yeah. And, I mean, he's. He's. I joked on the main show that, you know, that's his job. And it's like praising the mailman for delivering your mail. That's what he's supposed to do. I was a bit tongue in cheek, you know, because he, he's, he's done the job that he came to the Tour to do. Yeah. As we spoke about last week, that was, you know, he had specific duties coming to this, but he's been in countless breakaways. He's, you know, been a joy to talk about and a joy to watch and you know, he's been the most valuable teammate I think for little track and, and might be the difference between Milan winning green and not winning green is Quinn Simmons job he's done at this Tour?
Johan Brunel
I think so. I think so. If you look at it, you know, and, and, and also, I mean, okay, I, I think we all want Quinn Simmons to have opportunities, you know, and he definitely has the power and the form and the condition to do in a stage, but we all know it's not easy to win stages at the Tour. But you know, one thing, I mean, even if he doesn't win a stage, you know, and it's every day, it's more and more unlikely. I mean, what about Paris? I mean, that suits him also. But I think if, if there's anything that Quinn Simmons is going to take away from this, if it's not a, if it's not a stage win, is that he has become a much better rider and he's proven that he has the big engine. You know, if it's just a bit fine tuned in terms of when he attacks and when he, you know, sits on a little bit, I think this guy. Yeah, I was, I was really impressed. Really, really impressed with him. Yeah, that was, that was really nice. Anyways, then in the final, Bradley Rain starts. Man, that was dangerous with those roundabouts in the peloton. I mean, if you see it from the helicopter, that was, that was crazy.
Bradley Wiggins
But I'm surprised there wasn't more accidents than there was. And then where the crash happened was the least, the place you least expected to happen. But it wasn't anything to do with the road furniture or the barriers and etc. From the overhead shot we saw that the Post Den El rider was trying to get through a gap that was there. That closed, closed. Was closed by the La Groupama rider and coffee. Yeah, but, but the carnage that it caused around it and you know, with disc brakes now and that people slamming on people are sliding sideways and kind of the, the guy who did the best job to stay upright was Tim Melier.
Johan Brunel
Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
I mean, I don't know if you've watched him.
Johan Brunel
Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
Go through. Oh, man.
Johan Brunel
Cyclocross skills. Cyclocross skills.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. But, you know, that crash happened right in the front, didn't it? Sort of eight riders back. And the minute it happened, it was like even George said, this is it. Seeing the douches, Milan's gonna win because it wiped out all his main rivals, didn't it?
Johan Brunel
Yeah, it was 1k to go. And, yeah, Jordy Mae was. Was. Was close. But, yeah, this was Milan's. This was Milan's race after that.
Bradley Wiggins
It's a shame about Binny, because I think Binny looked like he was nursing a potential broken wrist or something.
Johan Brunel
Yeah. You know, when you see somebody come over the finish and they're holding their arm, it's never a good sign. It's never a good sign. Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. But what a day for Milan. I mean, he's firmly in the lead now in the green jersey competition. And. And I think now on. On Spencer's calculation, if everything goes to plan and Porgacha wins the two mountain stages, Milan still wins in Paris by two points. I think.
Johan Brunel
I think. I think what they will try to do tomorrow, they will go full gas for the first sprint. He wins that and then it's mathematically over.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
Johan Brunel
Then he just needs to worry about making the time cut. So. Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
Which is no mean feat, is it, tomorrow?
Johan Brunel
I mean, I know.
Bradley Wiggins
What a stage. What a stage to empty yourself for the first hour.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, I know, I know.
Bradley Wiggins
5,500 meters of climbing.
Johan Brunel
We'll talk about tomorrow's stage. Let's first do our daily Ventum trivia. Bradley. We had. Yesterday's question was, in 2016, race leader and eventual winner Chris Froome famously ran up a portion of the slopes of the Mont Ventou. Why was he forced to run? The answer. His bike was badly damaged in a crash involving a motorbike and crowded roads. So he didn't have access to a spare bike. So that was the correct answer. His bike was too badly damaged and couldn't keep going. Didn't have access to a spare bike. Stage 17 question. Today's question is the Rome Valley. The location of stage 17 is known for peloton braking winds. The question is, what formation do riders form to try and combat crosswinds? So what formation do riders form to try and combat crosswinds?
Bradley Wiggins
One guess.
Johan Brunel
Yeah.
Bradley Wiggins
Do we want the English word for that or the French word?
Johan Brunel
Yeah, I mean, we're Gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna say both. Or both. Or both.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, both.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So send your best guest to ventumracing.com the move and you can enter into this year's contest a grand prize of $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike you want to purchase. Don't want to wait until the end of the Tour. Ventum is also offering a standing discount during the duration of the tour of 10% of the whole site using the code the move. 10 and 20% of any NS1 bike with the code NS1 20. So 10% off the move. 10 and 20% off for an NS1 bike. NS120 tomorrow stage. Bradley, I know you talked about it on, on the Move. This is definitely the Queen stage, right. This is the hardest stage. You see the profile here. Three HC climbs. HC means horse categories for special category. So even, even harder than a Cat 1 climb.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
Johan Brunel
5,400 meters of climbing. Big day today. What do you think will happen? I mean Visma. I've heard, I've heard Brad Visma. I've been told by somebody who's close to the team that they have calculated their whole race centered on this stage. This is the stage where it needs to happen. What do you think they need to do?
Bradley Wiggins
I mean this, I think at this stage of the race, if they're really serious, that second place means nothing. Which to us watching it, watching a two time winner of this race who's finished second a couple of times. You know, I think, I think a lot of the, the sports world or a lot of the cycling community would, would be happy to see this guy go down fighting and finish last in this Tour de France. Tried now on a stage like this, I mean what can you do against the greatest ride of all time? I mean we've seen him try to isolate Tade. We, you know, but we need to see, I mean I'd like to see him do what he did on Monvantu on the first climb tomorrow or on the Melin. Yeah.
Johan Brunel
Which is. Yeah, I, I think, I think it needs to be the Model N Bradley.
Bradley Wiggins
And Go man or man. Go man or man.
Johan Brunel
Yeah, you know, so first, I think first they need to, they need to make sure they have guys in the breakaway. It gonna need to be their climbers. It's not gonna, you know.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
Johan Brunel
And Victor Campenaerts are not gonna cut it tomorrow. It needs to be Simon Yates and Sepkus and you know, eventually Matteo Jorgensen. Although I think there's something. There must be something not right with Matteo. He's not. He's not on his usual level, so maybe he's sick or. But, you know, the Glendon is. It's hard, but it's. There's a lot of. There's a lot of rests in between. The motherland from this side is incredibly hard. It's constant. It's hard. Yeah. And. And I think, you know, they need to have guys up the road. Jonas needs to try and he needs to be able to shake Pulachar, because especially, especially what we. What we see the last few stages is that today is following Jonas as he should, and he's not taking. And he doesn't have to take any initiative, you know, so that's the situation they're in. I think they have to hope for a weak moment of Talay, which is always possible, you know, it can always happen.
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, we need.
Johan Brunel
We need to hope for it as cyclists, as cycling fans, that this is going to be the case. But we'll see that tomorrow. Bradley, thanks for your time and speak soon. Thanks.
THEMOVE Podcast: Tour de France Stage 17 | The Sir Wiggo & Johan Show
Release Date: July 23, 2025
In this engaging episode of THEMOVE, host Lance Armstrong delves deep into the intricacies of Tour de France Stage 17 alongside special guests Sir Bradley Wiggins and Johan Brunel. Offering a blend of expert analysis, insider perspectives, and riveting discussions, this episode transforms listeners from mere fans into true insiders of the world’s most iconic cycling race.
The episode kicks off with Sir Bradley Wiggins and Johan Brunel setting the stage for an in-depth analysis of Stage 17, a 170-kilometer flattish route from Bolan to Valence with a few minor hills. The hosts emphasize the strategic importance of this stage in the broader context of the Tour de France.
Notable Quote:
The discussion begins with an analysis of the Ineos team, highlighting a significant shift in their racing style throughout the season. Johan notes their adaptability and strategic maneuvers, particularly their recent victory with Arnsman.
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The conversation moves to Arnsman's commendable performance, marking a significant win for the Israeli team. This victory underscores the competitiveness and depth of talent within the peloton.
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A significant portion of the episode focuses on Jonathan Milan’s impressive campaign for the green jersey. Johan and Bradley discuss Milan’s tactical prowess, his potential to win both the cyclocross jersey at the Giro and the points jersey at the Tour, and the critical role of his team, Little Track, in his success.
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The discussion delves into how Milan's consistent performance and strategic points accumulation position him as a strong contender for the green jersey, potentially marking unprecedented achievements within the same year.
Johan and Bradley analyze the dynamics of the breakaway during Stage 17, particularly focusing on Ineos' aggressive move on a Category 4 climb. They explore the possible motivations behind this strategy, debating whether it was a bid to control the race tempo, set up for a sprint, or simply maintain team morale.
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The conversation highlights the delicate balance teams must maintain between aggressive racing and conserving energy for crucial later stages.
A highlight of the episode is the in-depth analysis of Quinn Simmons’ exceptional performance. Johan praises Simmons for his relentless work in the peloton, controlling movements, and supporting his teammates, which has been pivotal in Little Track’s strategic successes.
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Simmons’ dedication and tactical intelligence are celebrated as key factors that could determine the outcome of the green jersey competition.
The episode takes a dramatic turn as Johan and Bradley discuss a significant crash that occurred near the end of Stage 17. They dissect the circumstances of the crash, its impact on the race dynamics, and the surprising resilience of riders like Tim Merlier who managed to stay upright amidst chaos.
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The crash not only reshaped the immediate outcome of the stage but also solidified Milan’s position in the green jersey race, setting the stage for upcoming challenges.
In an interactive segment, Johan introduces a trivia question related to Stage 17, engaging listeners and encouraging participation. This segment not only educates but also fosters a deeper connection with the audience.
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Looking ahead, the hosts provide a preview of the upcoming Queen stage, characterized by three Hors Catégorie climbs totaling 5,400 meters. They discuss the strategic moves potentially employed by teams like Visma, emphasizing the physical and tactical demands of such a challenging stage.
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The conversation reflects on the resilience and strategic planning necessary to navigate the grueling climbs, with insights into how top contenders might approach the stage to secure their positions.
The episode of THEMOVE offers a comprehensive and nuanced exploration of Tour de France Stage 17, blending tactical analysis with personal insights from seasoned professionals. Sir Bradley Wiggins and Johan Brunel provide listeners with a front-row seat to the strategic maneuvers and unpredictable events that define the thrill of the Tour. Whether dissecting team strategies, highlighting standout performances like Quinn Simmons’, or analyzing pivotal moments like the late-stage crash, this episode epitomizes the depth and excitement that THEMOVE brings to cycling enthusiasts worldwide.
Note: Advertisements and sponsor messages present in the episode were omitted from this summary as per guidelines, focusing solely on the substantive content and discussions relevant to the Tour de France analysis.