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Which Young GC Contender Will Step Up With Remco Evenepoel Out? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 14 | THEMOVE
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Lance, George, Sir Bradley Wiggins, and Spencer Martin (aka “The Professor”) discuss Thymen Arensman's incredible ride to win Stage 14 of the Tour de France ahead of Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard on Superbagnères after a tough day in the...
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- [00:00]
Tadej Pogačar
Did you guys know Tade is. If he wins. So this will. If he wins, it will be his fourth tour, and he's younger than Lance when he won his first tour, so we could have a little bit left of the Pagacha reign.
- [00:18]
Lance Armstrong
All right, welcome back, everybody. This is the move podcast presented to you each and every day by Ketone IQ, joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Mr. George Hinchappy. George, I was at dinner with you last night, and by the way, before we get into this, you were wearing the hat and the hat. I'm not gonna let this die.
- [00:40]
George Hincapie
The hat needs to come here, bro. All right, let's see when. When would be the best day to bring it in. Change my whole fit. If I bring that.
- [00:48]
Lance Armstrong
Bring it. Bring.
- [00:49]
George Hincapie
I just wear a T shirt.
- [00:50]
Lance Armstrong
Give it to me and I will bring it.
- [00:52]
George Hincapie
Okay.
- [00:52]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, the people want the hat. Talking about stage 14, boys, toys are two weeks into this thing. Feel like I'm riding the Tour de France. You know, you boys, you're getting a little.
- [01:02]
George Hincapie
I'm getting tired.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, it wears on us. Stage 14. Alan, what did we do? Stage 14. From Po to Lucian Superbanier. From pool to Lucian superbanier. Okay, that's very French. That's so French. I actually saw Alan yesterday. I was in town. My family made me go shopping.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, we heard you had to do an emergency bathroom break.
- [01:28]
Lance Armstrong
No, I had to go bath. This one store. Hey, we don't have a bathroom.
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George Hincapie
So I was like, oh, my God.
- [01:32]
Lance Armstrong
What do I do? I got to go be around strangers. And I walked into this, like, restaurant. Alan was sitting there outside the restaurant. I said, thank God somebody I know give me a little cover.
- [01:46]
George Hincapie
So was it worth blowing us off for the indie pass?
- [01:48]
Lance Armstrong
It's totally worth it. I wasn't kidding when I said I'm retired from training with you.
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George Hincapie
Do people want to see you riding?
- [01:57]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that. Maybe, maybe, maybe 20, 26 look a bit of a salvage for. For team INEOS today. How do you say his first name? Tiemann. Tiemann.
- [02:12]
Tadej Pogačar
Timon.
- [02:14]
Lance Armstrong
For those that T H y M E N Timeman Ottomsman Dutch rider. It's previously won, won some races, won a stage in the Tour Spain, Tour Poland. Certainly nothing like this. Had a go about a week ago, you know, but for your ineos, yeah, it's great to win a stage in the Tour de France. We were looking it up before the show. 55 million pound budget. 55 million pound budgets. Don't aim to win stages and grand tours. But Nonetheless have won a stage in.
- [02:46]
Tadej Pogačar
Two years before this, so.
- [02:48]
Lance Armstrong
Wow. Yeah, wow. Speaking of that dinner last night, George, and we talked in the past about your hammer and the bat rouge and how that affects your sleep. I have been looking around for this dream shot. I cannot find it anywhere here in the studio.
- [03:05]
George Hincapie
Yeah, I thought we had a bunch more.
- [03:07]
Bradley Wiggins
Oh, I grabbed some.
- [03:09]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, you grab everything. It's. It's all gone. That's what's cool. And I mean all gone. Like seeing the douches gone. We launched it on this show Sunday and it totally sold out. That's over 50,000 bottles of mind boggling. 50,000 bottles of the Dream shot has been sold out. If. And the reason is, is if you happen to be one of the people that are half of Americans who struggle with sleep, especially if you wake up during the night, you should try the dream shot. You can pre order right now@the feed.com for the next delivery. Oh, boy. Not coming to August 4th.
- [03:44]
Bradley Wiggins
Well, speaking of the feed, Matt dropped off another product I've been using the gym, really helping me train with the altitude. The nitric oxide.
- [03:52]
George Hincapie
Yeah, Lance, you should try it. Maybe you won't whine as much or start riding with me once again.
- [03:57]
Lance Armstrong
Easy, easy. What is it? What's it all about?
- [03:59]
George Hincapie
Nitric Oxide Pro. It boosts your blood flow. Originally developed for people with high blood pressure, but I use it daily now. I can definitely feel it when I'm riding, but also feeling when I'm playing tennis. It really makes a difference.
- [04:10]
Bradley Wiggins
Well, you can get these test strips with it too, so you can actually see if it's working. You put them in your tongue for a couple of seconds. The darker purple it is, the more nitric oxide you are producing.
- [04:20]
Lance Armstrong
These feet guys have got it all.
- [04:22]
George Hincapie
Figured out, you know? Yeah. The new ninth track, Nitric Oxide Pro just launched in. Two pills once a day and it lasts a full 24 hours. I just took mine right before the show.
- [04:31]
Bradley Wiggins
Well, not that I have an issue with this, but for you older guys, it also increases blood flow everywhere.
- [04:42]
George Hincapie
Oh, Keeps betting better.
- [04:44]
Lance Armstrong
That was a big hit with, like we said at the top of the show. It's. It's been two weeks. Right. You know, we. We also get tired. Conditions vary.
- [05:00]
George Hincapie
Yeah, I'm actually feeling. I am feeling tired. But you know what's funny? People don't realize, like when you're in the Tour de France and you guys back me up on this, don't you feel like your body just gets in this zone where it just gives you six hours A day where you know you have to perform six hours a day and the rest of the day is like just precious time. That's when you know the 18 hours left in the day is just about recovery. It goes by so quick. But arguably on just normal people like us, we feel more tired watching the race than these guys probably feel.
- [05:27]
Bradley Wiggins
Well, I think it went too quick for Remco today, didn't it?
- [05:29]
George Hincapie
Yes, that's true. Yeah.
- [05:30]
Lance Armstrong
And tour life is, is simple. It's very difficult, but it's simple.
- [05:34]
George Hincapie
Right?
- [05:35]
Lance Armstrong
You got to focus on the race and then after that you're like, I just have to rest and recover. You know, that's, that's a simple life. Right? And we miss that sometimes. Zwift also today, Zwift recently rolled out its new Cog and click product. It's such a simple yet brilliant product. You can use it on almost any bike that you own. You touched on Remco, he's got like, he spends a ton of time on Zwift. He might be spending a little more time here in the next, next couple weeks just, and we, we, we'll talk about Remco and, and that's, I'm, I don't want to throw shade. He's, he is a tremendous rider but, and he also does spend a lot of time on Zwift. It does. The new click and Cog and click makes you feel like you're on a top end smart trainer. Zwift ready trainers are available from all the top manufacturers. Wahoo. Garmin Elite, Jet Black and Decathlon. Setting a new benchmark for indoor training. All Zwift ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box. No extras needed. Zwift Ready trainers started just 299, meaning anyone can jump into world class indoor training without breaking the bank. And we will talk about Remco in a minute. I think that's the biggest story of the day actually.
- [06:52]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah.
- [06:53]
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- [07:43]
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- [07:46]
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- [08:26]
George Hincapie
What a day. You know a lot of people saying race is over. Pro guitar is killing these guys. But this is arguably could be some of the most exciting racing in the Tour de France. Why? Because we have like 10 different races going on. We have the races for the podium. We have races for the green jersey. We have team classification classification which we saw VSMOK really going all out to get top three guys in there to continue leading the team classification. We got the mountain jersey battle. I mean I love this also the white jersey, the white jersey battle. I love these intra race battles that is going to make the race, the racing moving forward a lot more dynamic and exciting. Even though Poguchar is crushing it, there's a lot of other exciting stuff going on.
- [09:06]
Lance Armstrong
He's totally in control as expected. I thought he rode it seemed looked great a team that as we've said has been depleted. He was. He's totally in control. But we just have questions about Visma right. And sometimes look you saw Yates up in the group. You saw are in the break. You saw Setkuss up there. They just did. They just didn't have it like this team is off and that makes it very hard. I don't care if Johan Brunel is your is your tactician. It just makes it hard when the team doesn't have the legs to. It's one thing to be in the break but you have to be there and in getting time and putting pressure on UAE and Pogochar Spencer, I know you had. You were just scratching your head watching some of These just the way it played out.
- [09:55]
Tadej Pogačar
Well, we have a finite number of, like, mountain stages, places to pressure. Pagachar, we're coming out of. They got dinged up pretty bad, and then their response is, we're going to put a bunch of people in the breakaway and go for the stage win. Good luck, Jonas. Oh, by the way, you're isolated on the final climb. You can probably drop a right. It just felt like they've given up and now they're going for stage wins. Maybe that's the right move, but I don't know. Rainy Pyrenees mountain stages, like, don't you. Maybe this isn't sporting, but, like, put the team on the front, pressure them on descents, like, try to get them to crash. Something like that.
- [10:26]
George Hincapie
No, I, like, I mean, I mentioned it the other day.
- [10:28]
Lance Armstrong
We can't say that.
- [10:29]
George Hincapie
Okay, look, I like, I. I feel like I like this strategy. It's going to give guys like Sepp and Matteo Jurgensen chances to perhaps win a stage. They've done that strategy. They've tried to do lead it, make it harder, but essentially they've done the work for poguchar this first. 13 stages, 14 stages. I think they got to mix it up now and go for stage wins. And look, Jonas had a better day today. Obviously didn't do any damage to Poguchar, but he looked. He looked pretty, Pretty good out there.
- [10:55]
Lance Armstrong
Two in a row.
- [10:56]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah, two days.
- [10:57]
Lance Armstrong
I thought he. I thought he looked good. He was the second best guy in the race yesterday, and he was the second best guy in the race today. I mean, three days ago, I. I did not think he was the second best guy in the race.
- [11:06]
Tadej Pogačar
Well, we should say so. Adam Yates is setting time in. Armand, by the way, great ride. Like, super impressive. He's funny. He's 25, and it's like this is his comeback because he won a Stage at the 20, 22 Vuelta on Sunweb was supposed to be this, like, big star, GC star. He finishes high up in the gc. He goes to Ineos, has kind of been lost in the wilderness, but he's only 25 years old, and now he's kind of reemerging. But. And that GC group behind Adam Yates is on the front. They're not really pulling that much time back, and you can tell everyone's pinned behind. So that is kind of the fundamental problem. Like, it's easy for Pagachar. Everyone else is on the limit. Realistically, what can you do in that situation?
- [11:46]
George Hincapie
Well, partly, I think the reason why he was able to hold that gap is wet downhills, and if you're on your own or with a small group, you have. You can really choose your lines and save a lot more energy in the. In the peloton behind where they're fighting for position, not really knowing what's going to happen in front of them, there could be a crash at any moment. So it's just a lot more stressful. So perhaps that's why he was able to keep that pace and. And not lose that much time on the final climb. But it's still a really incredible ride he pulled off today.
- [12:13]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. Yeah. And. And all the adrenaline and motivation that goes with being two minutes up the road, three minutes up the road. I mean, you can. And it is. It's nicer to ride a wet descent. Those. And I remember, George, you'll remember those descents, me screaming at you.
- [12:27]
George Hincapie
Yeah, you'd always slow down on the radio. Why are you going so fast?
- [12:30]
Lance Armstrong
I was like, why?
- [12:32]
George Hincapie
I tell you why.
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Lance Armstrong
Stop, Stop.
- [12:33]
George Hincapie
Tell you why. The answer is easy, because when you're pulling on the front all day and suffering in the wind, you can really make people hurt behind you. When you're pulling on these downhills and you know they're 20, 30 back, you know that they're getting the whiplash effect, and you're like, okay, now. Now it's time for you to suffer the spray up. So, yeah, the spray. And unfortunately, alliance would yell at me all the time, make me slow down, so I wouldn't be able to get to reap the benefits of making other people suffer on the downhills that much as I wanted to.
- [12:58]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. Let's talk about Remco, because, Bradley, it came. It just came to be right. You. You thought yesterday there was a chance that he would. That he would drop out, and. And you saw it right away, right when the tourmaline started, he. He got distanced. Hard. Hard. I mean, that's very early in the stage. It was in a. Probably warm on that side, actually. I mean, we saw the conditions at the top and for the rest of the stage, but probably pretty hot leading up to that. Just. Yeah, packed it. Yeah.
- [13:31]
Bradley Wiggins
Remco. Remco is such a champion, you know, and he's.
- [13:34]
Lance Armstrong
He's.
- [13:34]
Bradley Wiggins
He's great when he's winning. He's not the best at managing these situations when he's on the back foot.
- [13:39]
Lance Armstrong
Right.
- [13:40]
Bradley Wiggins
And I don't know if, obviously the weight of the nation, Belgium on his shoulders, he's the next Eddie Merckx. In their eyes, double Olympic champion. And you could see the frustration with him when he was telling the cameras to get, get back and get out the way, do not follow me. And it was just a matter of time. And I saw how disillusioned he was yesterday at the finish. And to get caught in a time trial as well, that's the big thing yesterday.
- [13:59]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, you said it.
- [14:01]
George Hincapie
But I mean, let me ask you this, Bradley. What, what does he have to gain when he's, when he's dropped on the first climb? I mean a guy like that, double Olympic champion has won so many races, third place last year. Is he just going to keep riding just to get through?
- [14:13]
Bradley Wiggins
Well, no, I mean, exactly. And that's what I said. You know, where does he go from here? You know, he's a winner. There's, you know, he doesn't get any extra thing extra for groveling around. The next week of the Tour de France, there's the vuelta to come. This is a guy who, don't forget he had nearly four months off his bike in the winter with that crash. And ever since then he's been chasing his tail. He's one time trolls. Of course he came back and won his first race early in the year where he beat Welt van Art. He won in Romandy, one in the Dauphining time trial, one here in the time trial. But almost, yeah, he just doesn't have that, that background for, from a winter's work.
- [14:45]
Lance Armstrong
And there's a lot going on right. Within terms of his team, the team that he's currently on. The, the speculation that I think is at this point probably pretty reliable that, that he is leaving that team, going to another team. So you're thinking, yeah, you start to banks are no. Whether or not he is going to Red Bull I think leads to an entirely different conversation amongst us, right, with, with the, the exceptional ride that, that Lipowitz is doing. Yeah, this, this is, this is going to shape up. I wouldn't want to be the general manager of that team. I mean, believe me. I mean Lipowitz is paying attention. This kid's this 25 years old. He's now on the podium. He's a German rider. Germany is a very important, as we know all know, it's a very important country for the sport of cycling. He's into the white jersey. If you believe what you read on the Internet. His contract is up. There's a lot going on there. Right. I, I wouldn't dismiss him. Right. But this kid has potential.
- [15:49]
George Hincapie
I mean look what, look what they're facing now. I mean, we got Tade Pogachar. That is the dominant force in cycling. And who knows how much longer he can go? Probably several years.
- [15:57]
Lance Armstrong
I agree.
- [15:58]
George Hincapie
Their only option, I think, is to stack as many cards as they can against him. They're not going to get a guy that can potentially beat him one on one. I think they just got to get as many podium contenders as possible. They got the money. Why not? What else are they going to do with it?
- [16:10]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah, it's not a bad idea. Did you guys know Tade is. If he wins. So this will. If he wins, it will be his fourth Tour and he's younger than Lance when he won his first Tour. So we could have a little bit left of the Pagacha reign. But just on rem. I agree with you, George. Like, that's not a terrible idea. Throw a bunch of spaghetti at Picacho, see what happens. The thing I wonder about Remco is like, do you guys remember this Peter Attia interview with Pagachar? And he said in the off season, he's two kilos above his Tour de France weight. That's not very much. Remco has to lose a lot of weight to climb well. And you kind of wonder, is this like up and down? Does that make him more inconsistent than the other guys?
- [16:52]
George Hincapie
Yeah, who knows? I mean, these days they got the nutrition so dialed in that I wouldn't see that as a factor. I know back in our day we'd put on a lot more than two kilos in the off season because he.
- [17:04]
Tadej Pogačar
Doesn'T climb that well. Really? Outside. Like, he was pretty good at the Tour last year, and then he always gets dropped at dofine and then he's like, I'll be good at the Tour. But is that sustainable in 2020 in this era?
- [17:16]
George Hincapie
I don't know.
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Lance Armstrong
I go back to what I said two days ago. I mean, there are just riders that. That they can win every other race on the calendar, that they. That there is something. There's some mojo about the Tour de France that they are just not suited for. It's just not. And I, I'm not. But I'm talking about history and. But you have to put it out there, right? Remco could be one of those guys.
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Tadej Pogačar
Impressive. He started. I mean, I. It would have been disappointing if he pulled out before.
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George Hincapie
Yeah, he couldn't have done that.
- [17:48]
Lance Armstrong
You're right. That wiggle when it. With that cool down area yesterday. Yeah, he was. It was like he. He just got plopped on Another plant. He didn't know where he was. And. And I think what you just said is that. I mean, him getting caught in a time trial is. That's in his wildest smack in the face.
- [18:06]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [18:06]
Lance Armstrong
He never would have imagined that.
- [18:08]
Tadej Pogačar
And the start today was crazy fast. Like, I turned it on at 5, and it was like they were approaching the tourmaline. I was like, what happened to this race? Like, it was just all out. So that couldn't have helped him.
- [18:19]
George Hincapie
Yeah. And talk about that first green jersey sprint. I mean, that was pretty hard fought after. And Milan ended up winning that. And Vanderpoel got second.
- [18:28]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah. Milan was off the front by himself.
- [18:31]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [18:31]
Tadej Pogačar
And then they called him back, and then the race was. I mean, you guys maybe were onto something about the time cut. Maybe it was too generous because they were flying. Like, everyone was trying to be in the breakaway. Everyone could follow every move. And then little track just let a little move with Garrett Thomas go and pigged it back on takes Max.
- [18:48]
Lance Armstrong
Speaking of the adjusted time cut yesterday, we weren't the only ones who were not in support of that. I read a headline on one of the cycling things that there were quite a few voices in the peloton that said, wait a minute. And that's right. Like, if you. This is the. Just start with the rules. These are the rules. These are the time cuts. And I'm sorry, if you can't make a 33% time cut, then apparently Tim.
- [19:12]
George Hincapie
Miller would not have made that.
- [19:13]
Lance Armstrong
Right. Okay, well, then. Then go pack your bags and go home.
- [19:15]
Tadej Pogačar
That's.
- [19:16]
Lance Armstrong
That's the way.
- [19:17]
Tadej Pogačar
He probably also rode to the.
- [19:19]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [19:20]
Tadej Pogačar
So maybe.
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, he would. I mean, if these guys, they can all make it. If they get on the start line and they go as hard as they can, they can all make it. They're professional cycles. I don't care if they're sprinters or they can't climb. They can all make it. Got to get out there and try.
- [19:35]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah. And now we're looking at super interesting situation with green. Maybe we'll talk about on the other side of the break, but, yeah, Vanderpoel got second in that sprint. Now he's like pressuring Milan and.
- [19:46]
George Hincapie
Yeah, I would be nervous about that.
- [19:47]
Lance Armstrong
We had not. We'd been thinking about Milan and Poguchar, and you dropped the Matthew Vanderpool equate factor here, and that's because he did. He rolled into second, beat Garmai.
- [20:01]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [20:01]
George Hincapie
And we'll probably most likely see him in the breakaway tomorrow.
- [20:04]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [20:04]
George Hincapie
Being the way he's riding. Yeah.
- [20:06]
Lance Armstrong
All right, all right. We'll be back in 2 and 32. All right. And we are back. Spencer, you brought it up, talking about age, Tade's age and, and if he can win this year. I mean, obviously Tata is still a very young rider. Six out of the top 10 are 25 years or younger. I mean, that, that's just. But you had another stat on 30 year olds. There's only two 30 plus year olds in the top. I think 30, I mean, it's not.
- [20:37]
Tadej Pogačar
Good for us that are over 30. It's bad news. But the extinction of like the 30 plus year old GC contender is really shocking to me. Also, do we need to retool the white jersey because half of the top 10 is in the white jersey classification.
- [20:49]
Lance Armstrong
Well, we were saying that a couple years ago when Tade just kept having the white jersey thought and as the sport was evolving younger and younger, that we, we thought that wasn't a bad idea.
- [20:59]
Tadej Pogačar
Should be U23.
- [21:00]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, definitely.
- [21:01]
Tadej Pogačar
Because Remco has been pro for the better part of a decade and he's still in contention for the white jersey.
- [21:06]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [21:07]
Tadej Pogačar
It's ridiculous.
- [21:08]
Lance Armstrong
Well, no day or so.
- [21:11]
George Hincapie
Well, he was until today.
- [21:13]
Tadej Pogačar
Well, okay, he was also, I mean, not to go back to Rimco, but he's perceived as a very young writer. He's almost the same age as Pagachar.
- [21:21]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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Tadej Pogačar
Like you, actually. Not that they should start to panic, but it's like the opportunities are not endless. Like you can't just. And he got hit by a car, so it's not his fault. But wasted years start to add up.
- [21:34]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. Speaking of young riders, we have to have our daily segment on. On our man, Oscar Onley. I mean, it was a week ago. We're like, wait a minute, who's this? And now he's up, up into fourth from the Scottish Highlands straight.
- [21:48]
George Hincapie
And apparently he had a mechanical.
- [21:50]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, I think that was why he got detached. Mechanical.
- [21:52]
Lance Armstrong
I mean, what. He's riding a hell of a. Unbelievable.
- [21:55]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [21:56]
Lance Armstrong
You know, the only X factor I want to throw out there from a, from a strategy standpoint. And, and I'll have. We'll have to look ahead a few days and we'll talk about tomorrow's stage towards the end of the show. But after tomorrow stage, we have the rest day. I've always said, and I, and I will always believe that rest days are complicated and, and the day after the rest day is always. Can be a really critical day. So my one X factor that I'M going to throw out there is tomorrow rest day. Boom. Tuesday straight into Montf. Like if I'm visma I'm thinking, I mean there you're thinking, let's hopefully somebody comes out of the rest. Somebody being poker comes out of the rest day. Just not ideal. Von Two hardest climb of the race for 2025. You know, I mean I wouldn't, I personally would hate to ride Mont von to the day after arrest day with.
- [22:45]
George Hincapie
Crosswinds, potentially crosswinds, you do have a flat run in. So even if you wake up a little, look out though.
- [22:52]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [22:52]
George Hincapie
But you could always get through it, I think.
- [22:55]
Tadej Pogačar
Well get through it. But if you hit the bottom slopes of Vontui, you're not feeling a hundred percent. That's not a good place.
- [23:00]
George Hincapie
But my point is it's so much flat beforehand that if you're feeling kind of, you know, rusty from the rest day that by the time you get to Vontu, you should have opened up. Theoretically, I would say.
- [23:11]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah. Just to touch on what something you just said at the end of the stage you said today was. I think his quote was the hardest mountain stage I've ever done.
- [23:19]
Lance Armstrong
Wow.
- [23:20]
Tadej Pogačar
And it looked like Pagachar did not stand up, did not open his mouth.
- [23:24]
George Hincapie
No, no.
- [23:25]
Tadej Pogačar
And then Bradley, I think you were pretty impressed with Jonas in the final kilometer.
- [23:29]
Bradley Wiggins
Well, I mean, obviously he. He had said in his interviews expecting Tade to attack because they set up like he was going to attack the team.
- [23:36]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [23:37]
Bradley Wiggins
And when he realized the 4K to go that Tade wasn't going to attack, he tried himself. Good attack. But then today was pretty easy on the will we so he didn't even get out of the saddle.
- [23:47]
Lance Armstrong
But then in the last couple of hours.
- [23:49]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, in the last couple hundred meters. I couldn't work out initially why Jonas was riding against the barrier, looking over his right shoulder as if they were coming in to win Milan, San Remo or something. And obviously it was the time bonuses and they were that decisive that, you know, it warranted him doing that. And then Tade opens up the sprint and he loses four seconds anyway.
- [24:08]
Tadej Pogačar
Four seconds of real time and then two seconds in the time bonus.
- [24:11]
Bradley Wiggins
Exactly. So he would have been better just riding to the line and not piss had off.
- [24:15]
George Hincapie
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I can't remember any time when both of y' all came to a finish of a mountaintop finish with, you know, not going for the win.
- [24:22]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
- [24:22]
George Hincapie
Going for the secondary places and actually going full gas, sprinting for that with one or two or three Other guys. These guys do it every time. I don't get it.
- [24:31]
Bradley Wiggins
When the, when the lead's already four minutes. Anyway, we're talking.
- [24:34]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah, I. Yeah, I think it kind of summed up their overthinking Tour so far. It's like, why are we. But then you're baiting him in to attack you. If he just rode hard, Picacho probably just sits on his wheel.
- [24:46]
George Hincapie
Yeah, yeah, I agree. But. But let's just look in the bright side of this. He's attacking 4K to go. That's. He's exposing himself. He's making the races. We got excited, we jumped up, saying, he's attacking. Obviously did not do any damage whatsoever. But, you know, the confidence, I think, is rising. And, you know, still also sounds like.
- [25:02]
Bradley Wiggins
We'Re mocking him daily for, for, you know, deploying the taxi. He does. Let's not forget he's come up against someone who's going to be the greatest cyclist ever lived by the time he retires. And fair play to him for having a go.
- [25:13]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. And he's in. In the last two days, he's looked. He's looked much better. Right. So he. And hold on to that.
- [25:20]
George Hincapie
Producing his best numbers ever. He said yesterday was his best performance ever.
- [25:23]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah, that's like what I.
- [25:24]
George Hincapie
Pretty incredible.
- [25:25]
Tadej Pogačar
I. I had someone reach out and be like, I think you're overestimating their power. I'm like, they're going like. Pagatra went 2 minutes, 20 seconds faster than the last time he did that climb. So, like, can imagine his power last time he did it, and he's going 2 minutes, 20 seconds faster. It's a lot of power you gotta do.
- [25:41]
George Hincapie
That's a lot.
- [25:42]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah, it's a lot.
- [25:42]
Lance Armstrong
You know, we get, as former cyclists, you get a lot of questions about, hey, what's this like? And what's that like? And how'd you do this and how'd you do that? And one of the more common questions is riding in the big mountains and having the fans there. And, you know, that question is, aren't you afraid that they're. They're not going to get out of the way? And my, My response has always been like, oh, no, no, they always get out of the way because there's a car. Normally there's a car or a fleet of cars right behind us. So they don't want to. They don't want to get by the car. Well, that didn't happen today. Here's the. Here's the INEOS team car. Oh, no. One more time.
- [26:24]
George Hincapie
Do we have a report on how that spectator is. Oh, ouch.
- [26:28]
Lance Armstrong
And. And this is again, I want to.
- [26:32]
Bradley Wiggins
Just put the rumor out there that it was Dave Browse for driving the car. That was unconfirmed, but that's what I've heard.
- [26:39]
Tadej Pogačar
Paul Kimmage on the side of the road. These are like a legal.
- [26:43]
Lance Armstrong
You know what Spencer, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?
- [26:48]
George Hincapie
I know. We got it. We got a new lance on this.
- [26:49]
Lance Armstrong
This is. This is you. You are incredibly spicy today. I mean there would have been a couple of digs.
- [26:55]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [26:56]
Lance Armstrong
That are not Spencer esque. I mean you're. There's only one person normally who's an on the show and it's me now Bradley making a run. But these two over here, you're supposed to be like Sesame Street. Okay. I mean that, that we're two weeks.
- [27:16]
George Hincapie
In which Spencer is going to happen.
- [27:19]
Lance Armstrong
You might want to go for a long hike today. I mean, hang on a second. Hold on. The empath in me. I feel.
- [27:26]
Bradley Wiggins
I feel something.
- [27:27]
Lance Armstrong
I feel. I feel something from Spencer wife is in Europe with a kid. It's been two weeks. Do you. I feel.
- [27:42]
Bradley Wiggins
I feel it. That desk is getting higher by the day.
- [27:44]
Lance Armstrong
I feel it.
- [27:44]
Tadej Pogačar
I also. It was raining and snowmass this morning and I woke up and my car was blocked in.
- [27:49]
Lance Armstrong
See, I mean it's the small things. You know, somebody didn't flush up at the. Up at the team house.
- [27:57]
Tadej Pogačar
Liz, that's forgivable. Where's could happen anybody.
- [28:02]
Lance Armstrong
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- [29:15]
George Hincapie
I have no idea. No.
- [29:16]
Lance Armstrong
Does that stand for something?
- [29:17]
George Hincapie
I like the name though.
- [29:19]
Lance Armstrong
Every.
- [29:21]
Bradley Wiggins
No, I've got an I. I do know GC who runs the company.
- [29:26]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. So he really liked the branding of Oakley and that was his sort of inspiration for it. I know it's. It doesn't resemble anything to do with Oakley, but that was kind of. That was what he told me.
- [29:37]
Lance Armstrong
And it's four letters. Like the, the science and the research says that four letter brands do better coat, Nike, whatever. Right. I don't know where I was going with this.
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George Hincapie
Anyways, I thought you had the answer.
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- [30:50]
George Hincapie
We're going on to tomorrow.
- [30:51]
Lance Armstrong
Let's say have a look at tomorrow. Tomorrow's a breakaway. A breakaway special, baby. All you breakaway artists, Tomorrow's your day. Although 59km in green jersey, intermediate sprint.
- [31:05]
George Hincapie
You know who's in the breakaway tomorrow? Vanderpoel and Quinn Simmons in the breakaway tomorrow.
- [31:11]
Lance Armstrong
I, I would, I would not disagree with that.
- [31:13]
Tadej Pogačar
Well then tomorrow I guess the question.
- [31:15]
Lance Armstrong
Is, is it a 10 man break or is it a 30 man break?
- [31:18]
Tadej Pogačar
Well, it's probably going to go if we assume that pull it back up, little track will hold it together until that first sprint point. Then the break's going to go on the climb. So maybe a smaller breakaway but with very strong riders.
- [31:31]
George Hincapie
Yeah, which could affect Quinn making the breakaway if he's got to work that whole first 55k to keep that group together for the sprint.
- [31:39]
Tadej Pogačar
But then it's a 50 point finish like today was a 20 point finish. So Pagatra gets 17 points for a second. Okay, so tomorrow, like if Vanderpoel gets in that move and wins that stage or even gets second, that's a lot of points he's getting for the green jersey.
- [31:54]
George Hincapie
Well, the way he's going, if he wants to go in the breakaway, it's going to be hard to control that.
- [31:58]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [31:59]
George Hincapie
Especially over those climbs. Yeah. Again, all these little intra races going on is making tour.
- [32:05]
Lance Armstrong
Really, really not that long either. What is it said, 160 something kilometers. Guys start to see that and they think, oh, this is a short stage. This is. They call that a short stage. And you folks at home, that, that train all year to go do a hundred mile ride or 100 mile fondo. These guys look at tomorrow's 100 mile stage, actually a little more than 100 and they think we can manage nutrition. This isn't that hard. The climbs are early in the race. Uh, all right, let's just get ourselves to the rest day, stay outta trouble.
- [32:34]
Tadej Pogačar
And some of these stages are going by so fast. Like today was a big mountain stage sub five hours.
- [32:39]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [32:39]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [32:39]
George Hincapie
I think they're averaging like 40k an hour.
- [32:41]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [32:42]
George Hincapie
Which is nuts over those times.
- [32:45]
Tadej Pogačar
And I mean it is. I think you're right, George. I'm actually more excited about this green jersey battle than I am the GC and tomorrow is one probably one of the most important days because if, if Milan has to get those sprint points and then if Vanderpoel wins the stage, he's really turned it around on Picacho and Milan. Assuming I'm assuming Pagatra won't be in the breakaway tomorrow, is that safe to assume?
- [33:09]
George Hincapie
If he wants to be in the breakaway, he probably could be, but you know, hopefully not.
- [33:13]
Tadej Pogačar
That'd be a little greedy perhaps.
- [33:15]
Lance Armstrong
It's still in the, and, and it's still this, this race for the, for the final spot on the podium. It's gonna be, this is gonna be exciting. Guys are gonna, guys and their teams are gonna race hard for that.
- [33:27]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah, yeah.
- [33:29]
George Hincapie
I don't foresee anything happening tomorrow.
- [33:30]
Lance Armstrong
No, no, no. But just as this to Spencer's point of getting excited, maybe it was your point about the green jersey composition. I think this, this fight for the podium could be interesting.
- [33:43]
George Hincapie
And your favorite jersey, the KOM jersey, Lenny Martinez, this guy, I mean, who.
- [33:48]
Lance Armstrong
Knows, who knows which Lenny Martinez shows up.
- [33:50]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [33:50]
Lance Armstrong
Honestly, I mean this dude is Jekyll or Hyde and he's great today.
- [33:56]
George Hincapie
Well, there's no doubt he can make those, you know, like a day like today. There's no panic, hooking, getting in that breakaway. I mean, Tourmaline is the hardest. One of the hardest climbs in the Pyrenees. So to get away there, obviously, you got to be a great climber. And he's all in for getting these early mountain points, and for sure he's going to keep doing that the rest of the race.
- [34:12]
Tadej Pogačar
If Lipowitz gets third, Onley's fourth, bachelor's fifth, who do you guys think is the next writer to win the Tour? That's not tight atcher. Do you think it's one of those guys or it's someone we're not even talking about right now?
- [34:28]
George Hincapie
It's going to be a while, I think.
- [34:29]
Bradley Wiggins
I mean, it depends which Tadde shows up, isn't it?
- [34:32]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [34:32]
Bradley Wiggins
You know, if we're talking the Tadde of this year, I mean, you can't see any.
- [34:35]
Lance Armstrong
Well, he. But you mean if that is not.
- [34:38]
Tadej Pogačar
At some point, he will not win a Tour de France.
- [34:40]
Lance Armstrong
Right.
- [34:41]
Tadej Pogačar
And someone will beat him.
- [34:42]
Bradley Wiggins
I still think Jonas will be the next person to be if that happens, and I don't.
- [34:45]
Lance Armstrong
And I think that person that, you know, imagine if it's years down the road, that's somebody that's not in this race.
- [34:51]
Bradley Wiggins
Someone like Del Toro.
- [34:52]
Lance Armstrong
Del Toro, Yeah.
- [34:55]
George Hincapie
I think he's so good right now that he will decide when he doesn't win the Tour de France. He'll be like, I won. I see in the douches very rare.
- [35:02]
Tadej Pogačar
Does that happen?
- [35:03]
George Hincapie
Yeah, it does.
- [35:04]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [35:04]
Lance Armstrong
Rare, but.
- [35:06]
Bradley Wiggins
Well, he better get a move on, because once he's over 30, as the stats show, he'll get kicked out. Yeah.
- [35:10]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah. It is kind of interesting to think.
- [35:11]
Bradley Wiggins
About short careers now.
- [35:14]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [35:14]
Bradley Wiggins
Shorter careers.
- [35:16]
Lance Armstrong
The ventum trivia of the day. Well, you were yesterday when I asked the question, you were looking at me like I had three heads. You had to have known the answer.
- [35:23]
Bradley Wiggins
I did know the answer, but I.
- [35:24]
George Hincapie
Was trying to play it for.
- [35:26]
Bradley Wiggins
You played it up.
- [35:26]
Lance Armstrong
You played me. Yeah. I was like, wow, I'm stumped. And you're sitting. Yesterday's question. The high altitude landing strip and finishing location of yesterday's uphill time trial holds a special significance. Somebody at this desk. Boom. Sir. Bradley Wiggins. He clinched yellow here on his way to winning the 2012 Tour de France.
- [35:46]
Bradley Wiggins
Was the last summit finish of that Tour. Yeah.
- [35:50]
Lance Armstrong
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George Hincapie
He said Joao Almeida.
- [36:26]
Lance Armstrong
Almeida. But he's locked up there as well. Del Toro and Almeida are both at.
- [36:30]
George Hincapie
UAE top three in the world.
- [36:32]
Tadej Pogačar
He's almost the same age as Pagachar too.
- [36:34]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Tadej Pogačar
Yeah. The problem is Picacho's Porsche power, just as we saw in the first five minutes yesterday. That's the fundamental problem. The guy just puts out a lot of power. So what's interesting is when Froome is dominating no one. We had never even heard of Picacho. We'd never heard of Vinegard. And then they just seem to come out of nowhere.
- [36:52]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Tadej Pogačar
And it's like, will that happen to us again?
- [36:55]
George Hincapie
I think so. I mean, the sport's always evolving. Who's it? There's some young Slovenian kid that I think he just won the baby Giro and said it's the next phenom. So who knows? These people are what? Coming up.
- [37:06]
Lance Armstrong
Slovenian.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
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Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [37:08]
Lance Armstrong
What?
- [37:08]
Tadej Pogačar
What.
- [37:08]
Lance Armstrong
What do we drink? I was just there. I drank the water. I actually feel worse since I was there. What is going on? Slovenia is like the size of, like, Travis County.
- [37:21]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's 2 million people in the entire country.
- [37:24]
Lance Armstrong
I mean.
- [37:25]
Tadej Pogačar
And maybe the top three best player in the NBA is from there.
- [37:29]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [37:29]
Lance Armstrong
Well, and then the quite. That's right. And then the question is, are the guys that we're talking about the. The greats of today, or do they slow down, do they lose power? Or are we going to now be talking about whole new power levels and speeds and times that.
- [37:44]
George Hincapie
Well, we're seeing it right in front of our eyes.
- [37:47]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. I mean, are a mix of both.
- [37:49]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah. Another odd little oddity is rarely do you see a rider win of Welta or Giro and then win the Tour. Almost all the modern tour winners win the Tour as their first Grand Tour. So then that starts to muddy the waters too, because then you stop looking at these other grand Tours, and it's not a progression like you think it is.
- [38:08]
Bradley Wiggins
No, but Tade, he was. He first came on the scene in the 2019 vault. He won three stages and got third overall. Yeah.
- [38:15]
Tadej Pogačar
Lipowitz actually esque. Where he. It's like, oh, he's third. That's.
- [38:19]
Bradley Wiggins
He was 19 then. Yeah, yeah.
- [38:21]
Tadej Pogačar
And he won the Tour of California.
- [38:23]
Bradley Wiggins
He was at that time. Remember the third stage, he won. There was a 60k solo breakaway.
- [38:27]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [38:27]
Bradley Wiggins
So very much in the. In the. How he's winning now.
- [38:30]
Tadej Pogačar
But that's. Think about that's at 19 and he's almost like at his finished form. And then even with Del Toro. Del Toro has a lot to improve before he's able to challenge Pagachar. And Pagacha just seemed to be fully good at 19, which is obviously rare. He might be the best of all time.
- [38:45]
Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. But he will be.
- [38:47]
Lance Armstrong
Yes, I agree. Questions, anybody?
- [38:51]
Tadej Pogačar
So this is an interesting one.
- [38:53]
Lance Armstrong
Okay.
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Tadej Pogačar
From Paul.
- [38:54]
Lance Armstrong
Paul. Paul.
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Tadej Pogačar
Do Visma's tactics suggest that they've been racing for second place since the start of the Tour. Trying to make things hard for everyone except for Pagacha.
- [39:03]
George Hincapie
No, I think they were just confident that they were gonna be able to crack them. They had to try. They're going to continue to try. Hopefully they let give their, you know, guys like Jurgensen and SAP some free cards to go for stage wins. But they'll keep battling. He saw today Jonas attacking with 4k to go. I think they got to go in with a strategy to try to win the race. I mean, you got to go in with hope. Damn. Nobody else going to say anything.
- [39:27]
Lance Armstrong
I mean, I mean, there's not much else to say.
- [39:29]
George Hincapie
Lance agreed with me.
- [39:31]
Tadej Pogačar
I kind of criticize him for the Simon Yates stage one day. But in retrospect, it's good they got there.
- [39:35]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah. For sure.
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Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [39:36]
Lance Armstrong
I would just say I don't think that they had planned to drop him. I think they had hoped to drop him.
- [39:42]
George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [39:42]
Lance Armstrong
I think they're. I think they're pretty realistic when it comes to his greatness.
- [39:48]
Tadej Pogačar
So everyone saw Primo's roggle short socks the other day. This is a great question from Jamie. I'd forgotten about this. So we all thought it's ridiculous. Right. And she says, didn't Lance start the long sock thing when he was writing the tour, showing that he has. He's has, has that he has had some unique fashion sense for decades. If primos could primos bring in the short sock revolution?
- [40:10]
George Hincapie
I don't disagree with that. I don't think Land started. It was Max Chiandri.
- [40:15]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
- [40:15]
George Hincapie
Silvio Martinello and Martinello. And then Lance kind of was. He obviously got more attention.
- [40:20]
Bradley Wiggins
I'll tell you what, Lance did start black socks.
- [40:22]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
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George Hincapie
Yeah.
- [40:24]
Lance Armstrong
Gotta love black socks. I still love black socks. I. I have fun sock story. And it. And it's. It jives with Rogue Lich's short sock thing the other day. And this is not a well known story, but I do my first tour in 1993. Inderine is. Is the king. Inderine is the poke char. I mean, this guy, you got around indoor and you're like, oh my God. You just started getting nervous and scared. And of course I did too. I was wearing the national champion jersey. I'm with this great. And we're on. I believe it was the first stage, might have been the second stage. And I felt terrible. And we were on Motorola and I forget who our sock sponsor was, but these children. Thick wool socks and it was hot out and I was like, I feel terrible. And I said, I'm gonna take my socks off. So I took my socks off and put. I rode barefoot and not with short socks. I took the socks off, threw them on the road. And Inderine came by me and he's like. And he's making this money. He's like, he's like pointing at my. My ankles, my feet, and he's making a, like a money thing. And I'm like, what's. What's he talking about? Well, he was saying, you're gonna get fined for not having socks that are shown. And I was like, I was so freaked out because I was a, it was indurian. B, I'm like, what, what did he just say? Like, is he giving me grief? Am I some sort of loser? He was saying, you're gonna get fined for not wearing socks.
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George Hincapie
Did you?
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Lance Armstrong
Yeah, I did. Wow. It's so.
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Bradley Wiggins
Yeah. Crazy.
- [41:52]
Tadej Pogačar
You do kind of wonder on hot days should they not wear socks.
- [41:55]
Lance Armstrong
But I will tell you this. When I took those thick wool socks off on a hot day, I did feel better.
- [42:00]
George Hincapie
Well, think about like feet on just leather soles. No, that doesn't sound too comfortable to me.
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Tadej Pogačar
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I did hear like it could have been a, a purposeful thing. Like, why are you going to cover 10 inches of your body with extra fabric on a 95 degree day? Maybe don't. So you guys can defer this one. This might be too contentious, but who would win A hypothetical GC battle at the Tour de France 2005? Lance Armstrong, 2012. Bradley Wiggins, current Teddy Pigottschar and current Jonas Finnegaard all racing like, modern technology.
- [42:33]
Bradley Wiggins
I'd be fool.
- [42:36]
Tadej Pogačar
But it's. It's 400 kilometers of time trials.
- [42:39]
Bradley Wiggins
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, it's a good question though. Who knows?
- [42:43]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah, it is like an unanswered question.
- [42:45]
Bradley Wiggins
Was Wilt Chamberlain better than Michael Jordan.
- [42:48]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, it was Jordan. The Jordan LeBron debate, which I seem to have all too often with my son who. Who swears up and down that LeBron James is. Nobody's even close. He's the greatest of all time. And I grew up in the Jordan era, and I'm like, there. No for. I mean, if you look at championships, if you look at the way he led the team, even as he led it with an iron fist, I mean, he. He inspired that team. You can look at LeBron. He doesn't have the championship total. He seemingly does not lead a team the same way that MJ does.
- [43:24]
Bradley Wiggins
And he. Shoes are so bowl.
- [43:26]
Lance Armstrong
And. And he's done well selling shoes very well.
- [43:31]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah.
- [43:32]
Bradley Wiggins
Social media.
- [43:33]
Tadej Pogačar
Jordan's strike rate is unbelievable.
- [43:35]
George Hincapie
Like, and he's getting back into commentating.
- [43:37]
Tadej Pogačar
Yeah, I kind of don't like that.
- [43:39]
Bradley Wiggins
Anyway, back to the move.
- [43:41]
George Hincapie
Back to the move.
- [43:42]
Lance Armstrong
You really. Spencer, we got another cranky Spencer. We got another week.
- [43:50]
Tadej Pogačar
I just. I like that I never hear from Michael Jordan. It's nice. I do think he's the best of all time. That's not. This is not the place or time to talk about it. I here one more question from Miguel and then we'll go do the former tour winners on this show. See anyone now that they think they could mentor and do tour win winnership into becoming a tour winner?
- [44:12]
Bradley Wiggins
Oscar only.
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George Hincapie
Oh, nice.
- [44:14]
Tadej Pogačar
I like that.
- [44:15]
George Hincapie
I like that.
- [44:15]
Lance Armstrong
Speaking of Oscar only. And. And you know, he's from your. Your part of the. I don't know how, by the way, I don't know how all this works, right? You got Great Britain. You have these two islands. One of them's Ireland. Ireland's actually got two parts. So one part says, no, we're not a part of you. And then. But if you stick to the island on the right, the one that I think is England, then you've got these other places, Wales, Scotland. So that this kid is from the Highlands of Scotland. He probably is not.
- [44:39]
Bradley Wiggins
He's from the borders, whatever.
- [44:41]
Lance Armstrong
Close enough. He probably thinks I'm not.
- [44:42]
Bradley Wiggins
Scotland's a big country, right?
- [44:44]
Lance Armstrong
So he says, I'm not a part of you. Like, anyhow, he might not. He might not. Any where. Where I'm going with this is we need you.
- [44:51]
George Hincapie
Because he is into his dm.
- [44:53]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah.
- [44:53]
Bradley Wiggins
All right, Oscar, I'm coming.
- [44:55]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah, we'll be there. Sir Bradley Wiggins. Dear Oscar, check your. I don't know what they call it on Instagram, not when you're DMing with your girlfriend or your best friend or your mom but in the other bucket of randos and weirdos. Sir Bradley Wiggins is going to be dropping in there because. Because we love you and. And we want you on the move.
- [45:14]
Bradley Wiggins
We'll give you a free pot of collagen. Come on.
- [45:18]
Lance Armstrong
And our fingers let's click and collect I don't know if we can. And our fingers are crossed.
- [45:24]
Tadej Pogačar
Make sure.
- [45:24]
George Hincapie
Let's make it happen.
- [45:25]
Tadej Pogačar
Click the request tabs. Oscar.
- [45:27]
Lance Armstrong
Yeah the double O Sometimes you're in a hell of a race I don't know where man. This is. This is. This is the beauty of the tour.
- [45:33]
Tadej Pogačar
You get these.
- [45:33]
Lance Armstrong
These guys that just come out of nowhere and. And fast forward. Boom. Here we are talking about them every single day. Cool to see.
- [45:41]
Tadej Pogačar
And then send your questions to info we do not.
- [45:45]
Lance Armstrong
Wow. At least I'm not in a bad mood. Info wedo team and we will see you all tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in. Sat.