Why Didn't Visma Wait for Jonas? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 15 | THEMOVE

Summary

THEMOVE Podcast Episode Summary Title: Why Didn't Visma Wait for Jonas? | Tour de France 2025 Stage 15
Host: Lance Armstrong
Release Date: July 20, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of THEMOVE, host Lance Armstrong and his panel of cycling experts delve deep into the events of Stage 15 of the 2025 Tour de France, analyzing team strategies, rider performances, and notable incidents that shaped the day's racing action.

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Stage 15 Overview

Stage Details: Muray to Carcassonne
Key Points:

• Crash Incidents: Several crashes occurred early in the stage, including those involving prominent riders Jonas Vindigo and Julian Alaphilippe, setting a chaotic tone for the day's race.
• Weather Conditions: Strong crosswinds and rough sections made team tactics even more critical.

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Team Strategies and Breakaways

Visma vs. UAE Team Dynamics:

• Visma's Approach: Instead of waiting for their leader, Jonas Vindigo, to participate actively in controlling breakaways, Visma opted for a more aggressive strategy. This decision led to confusion and unexpected developments in the race.

  Lance Armstrong [00:00]: "If your only sort of goal is to control it... a breakaway of ten guys."

• UAE Team's Coordination: The UAE team, led by Tade Pogacar, maintained a cohesive strategy, focusing on protecting their GC (General Classification) leader while managing their sprinters and classics riders effectively.

  Spencer Martin [02:05]: "Tim Wellens is a hell of a bike racer... he's finding a way to race."

Notable Performances:

• Tim Wellens: Exhibited exceptional racing intelligence and strength by making a significant breakaway without relying heavily on his teammates.

  Bradley Wiggins [02:24]: "He's been a key guy for today in the wind... super impressive."

• Matthew Vanderpoel: Successfully accumulated points for the green jersey, demonstrating his prowess as one of the Tour's best sprinters.

  George Hincapie [09:15]: "Vanderpoel took the green jersey points, so he's creeping up in the classification."

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Rider Dynamics and Key Incidents

Quinn Simmons' Aggressive Tactics: Quinn Simmons showcased his aggressive racing style by attacking early in the breakaway. While his efforts demonstrated his strength, they also raised questions about his strategic approach.

Bradley Wiggins [15:01]: "There's nothing... next time... every second counts, every decision counts."

Julian Alaphilippe's Miscommunication: A significant incident occurred when Julian Alaphilippe, due to a malfunctioning race radio, mistakenly sprinted for an unintended position, leading to confusion at the finish.

Lance Armstrong [17:55]: "He didn't have any radio communication. There's thousands of people on the side of the road."

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Team Visma’s Strategic Choices

Why Visma Didn't Wait for Jonas Vindigo: The decision by Visma not to wait for Vindigo in the breakaway was rooted in historical racing norms and strategic flexibility. Typically, the yellow jersey team might marshal a breakaway, but Visma chose to seize the opportunity for stage wins as they assessed their chances.

George Hincapie [12:42]: "Why does he not have to work in the breakaway?"

Spencer Martin [12:42]: "That's just historical in cycling... it's sort of an unwritten rule."

This move allowed riders like Tim Wellens to launch successful attacks, leveraging their team's strength without overburdening their GC leader.

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Host and Guest Interactions

Behind-the-Scenes Insights: The conversation among hosts provided personal anecdotes and humorous exchanges, illustrating the camaraderie and deep understanding they share about the sport. Discussions ranged from rider tactics to personal training routines and even touched on amusing incidents like the "Visma bed" anecdote.

Bradley Wiggins [21:57]: "Matthew Vanderpoel... it's going to heat up."

Team Logistics and Support: A significant portion of the discussion highlighted the logistical advancements in teams, such as personalized mattresses for riders to ensure optimal rest and performance, reflecting the increasing professionalism and budget allocations in modern cycling teams.

Spencer Martin [31:30]: "Each rider has their own washing machine... preventing bacteria buildup from shared facilities."

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Trivia and Listener Engagement

Ventum Trivia: The hosts engaged listeners with cycling trivia, challenging their knowledge about historical Tour de France facts.

Bradley Wiggins [37:11]: "Ventum Trivia question of the day: Which rider holds the record for the longest successful solo breakaway starting from Carcassonne in 1947?"

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Commercial Breaks and Skipped Segments

As per the episode guidelines, advertisements and non-content segments were briefly mentioned but largely skipped to focus on substantive race analysis and discussions.

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Notable Quotes

• Lance Armstrong [08:39]: “Today was a quintessential transition stage, but highly entertaining.”
• Bradley Wiggins [10:31]: “Quinn Simmons is riding a hell of a race.”
• Spencer Martin [14:20]: “Tim Wellens gets in the early move... very impressive attack.”

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Concluding Insights

Looking Ahead to Upcoming Stages: The hosts speculated on future stages, emphasizing the potential shifts in team strategies and rider performances as the Tour progresses towards its climax.

George Hincapie [22:15]: “Only six stages left... making the racing super aggressive.”

Final Thoughts: The episode wrapped up with reflections on team Visma’s current standing, the importance of strategic flexibility in the race's final week, and anticipation for upcoming challenges in the Tour.

Lance Armstrong [36:33]: “They're going to go all in for the breakaways moving forward.”

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Conclusion

This episode of THEMOVE provided a comprehensive analysis of Stage 15 of the Tour de France 2025, offering listeners an insider’s perspective on the complexities of team strategies, rider dynamics, and the ever-evolving nature of professional cycling. Through expert insights and engaging discussions, Lance Armstrong and his guests illuminated the intricacies that define the race's final stages, setting the stage for an exciting conclusion to the Tour.

Transcript

[Lance Armstrong]

If you're. If your only sort of goal is to control it. Yes. Because a team like Little Trek, if this was a sprint finish, they'd put all their. Their guys at the front for 200k and control it like they can let it. Breakaway of ten guys.

[George Hincapie]

Go on.

[Spencer Martin]

You have no option but to try and try.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I think you have.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's what they have, the option. Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah. But even if they controlled it today, Milan's off the back, so that's also where it gets.

[Lance Armstrong]

But this is flatter. He's got a rest day. You think he'd be able to recover? I mean, the guy can go uphill. He's got. He's done well in Milan, San Remo, so he just needs to recover and he can certainly get over any of these little bumps before the Von 2.

[Spencer Martin]

What a great competition, though. You got it. You got the. Well, the best GC ride in the world, one of the best sprinters in the world and the best classics riders. All fine for the jersey.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Good morning, gentlemen. Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the. Wow, this sounds funny. The Move podcast Morning. Joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins, Mr. No Hat. George Hincappy. We had dinner. Everybody wants the hat. And of course, joined by the professor, Spencer Martin. Talking about stage 15. Alan, what do we do?

[Lance Armstrong]

Stage 15. From Muray to Carcassonne.

[Bradley Wiggins]

From Muray to Carcassonne. I like it, like it, like it a lot. As is the case each and every day. Today's show brought to you by Ketone IQ Wow. Couple things stand out for me. Tim Wellens is a hell of a bike racer. We all know that. He's one of these guys, we love those guys that when they put the numbers on the back, he's finding a way to race. Obviously, Belgian champion. You saw him when you were discussing or we were sort of debating when's the last time a Belgian national champion won a stage in the Tour de France or some. Was it Wildfin art? Did we figure out it was wild? Yeah. Before that, back. Back to our old friend Ludo Dirksens. But he's now won stages in all three Grand Tours. This is. I mean, this is a guy who wins bike races.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

You forget how many. I mean, I said to you, Spencer, that you forget how much he wins because of the gaps in between his wins. But what Tour de France he's had. I mean, he's been on it since the start of this race and that's. That's some payback for him. You saw how happy today was. For him in a few of the little clips we had at the radio.

[Bradley Wiggins]

The clips, I mean, it was. It was.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, he's been a key guy for today in the wind, in the. In the sketchy sections. So for him to make the breakaway today, and we were talking about it earlier, like, not having to do much work because he's in his teammates in the yellow jersey, so you can kind of get a free ride. And took advantage of it, rode away from the guys. Super impressive.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That's where. That's where it gets fun to talk about because we saw Quinn Simmons's comments, by the way. Hell of a ride by Quinn. But we'll talk about all that later in the show. Um, I was gonna say one other thing. Huh? It's getting. You know, this is two weeks for us, man. This get. Get a little. These guys are tired. They look tired. We're tired.

[Spencer Martin]

We're running on fumes right now.

[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

I thought we had a lot more.

[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Spencer Martin]

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[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, Lance, you should try it. Maybe you won't whine as much on the bike ride.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Dog, what are you talking about?

[Lance Armstrong]

It's nitrogen.

[Bradley Wiggins]

George's tired too. I am, but it's some more nitric oxide.

[Lance Armstrong]

Let's break it down. It's not Nitric oxide Pro. It boosts your blood flow. Originally developed for people with high blood pressure, but I use it daily. I can definitely feel it when I'm riding, but I really notice it when I'm playing tennis. I had my best tennis match my Aspen time yesterday, and I'm kind of. I'm pretty sure it's from the nitric oxide. Right here, baby.

[Spencer Martin]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

These guys at the feed, they. They got all the new cool stuff. Speaking of that, they didn't send me that, so I'd like to try that. I'm just wondering why we didn't think of this idea.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. The new Nitric Oxide Pro just launched. It's just two pills a day in the last 24 hours.

[Spencer Martin]

Not that I have an issue with this but for you older guys, it also increases blood flow everywhere.

[Bradley Wiggins]

So now, now might be a good time. I don't know if anybody that's followed us ever or the last few months, but the three of us were together. It was a Tour Flanders in Austin. We were all there together. Tour Flanders at Mellow Giants. Did a live show, did a ride after. And there was some. Liz, who's also here, took some photos, a certain somebody. That photo's now been taken down from the Internet. Certain somebody was not lacking in. It was a very popular picture. Lance. Sex cells.

[Spencer Martin]

That's what I'm saying.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You know, I don't, I don't. I don't really know.

[Spencer Martin]

No, the algorithms go.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Nor do I care about the comments about my hair, whatever, or I don't count the comments. But that, I do know that while that one was up, Mr. Blood Flow, I got a lot of comments. You know what I'm saying?

[George Hincapie]

It was in the cold, too.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Bradley called me and he goes, we have to take it down.

[Spencer Martin]

It's not a good look for weekend.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, I thought we had that.

[Spencer Martin]

We're not selling bananas here.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Do we not have the photo, Liz? Can we perhaps show the photo soon? Bradley's like, no, mate. The tabloids, mate. I was like, tabloids cares.

[Lance Armstrong]

They'll.

[Spencer Martin]

They'll go at anything good.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, you know what? If they're going to go at anything, let them go at that. Okay. I don't know. Should we talk about the bike race?

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Back to the move.

[Lance Armstrong]

Back to the move. Today was a quintessential transition stage, but.

[Bradley Wiggins]

A high, Highly entertaining one.

[Lance Armstrong]

Highly entertaining. I mean, crashes from the beginning. Beginning. Jonas Vindigo crashed. Alaphilippe crashed. Crosswinds. There was at one moment I thought there was like four or five, six different groups on the road. The breakaway never got more than a minute for a while. Yeah, it was crazy. Action packed, like, really highly contested, actually. Vanderpoel took the green jersey points, so he's creeping up in the classification there as well. So a lot, A lot of action there.

[George Hincapie]

When Milan tried to go. Jonathan Milan tried to go in the break with him and got dropped from the break and then got dropped from the peloton, like, that's how hard it was. Kind of a strange situation where Pagat is up there at the front of the race where you should be as the race leader. There's a crash. Jonas Vaard's caught behind. Pagatra is up front with three Visma riders is like, hey, guys, crash. We should wait for him and Visma is like, we're not interested in that. And they're just attacking. As Taddy's talking to him, you can see him, like, confused what's going on. Yeah, I thought that was a strange.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I mean, there's something going on there.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And. And you saw later in the stage, Jonas had a mechanical and. And was alone.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Nobody back there with him. I don't. Something's going on. I mean, right? And look, compare and contrast, right? The two best riders in the Tour on arguably the two best teams. Right? So in on one side, you have ua. Look at the demonstration, right? Tade head and shoulders above everybody else. Tim Wellens just rides a perfect race. And we'll talk about the strategy and where this affects Quinn Simmons or impacts Quinn Simmons. Tade's like checking on him. Hey, Tim, how's it going up there? Feeling good.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Make sure you zip up. Make sure, I don't know, like just chatting. Yeah, that is. You hear that morale, right? You hear that camaraderie, you hear that mojo on the radio and you see it in the race and then you got Visma, Right. It's like, wow. I mean, tale of two teams right there.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, I think they're. They're seeing the writing on the wall. They don't think that they can beat today, so they're gonna. All those guys are world class in their own right and they can win stages at any given time. So I think now they're like, well, you might as well take an opportunity and try to go for a stage win. Guy like Walt Menard. I mean, we saw yesterday Sep Kuss, Simon Yates in the break. I think we're going to see a lot more of that in the next. In this last week of the Tour.

[George Hincapie]

De France, it kind of makes. It looks weird. I was confused at the time, but I was telling Bradley when he came in. It kind of makes sense because it's like, we need stage wins. Let's get in the breakaway. We're going to get Victor Campinart's Wild Bernard in the breakaway. If Jonas is with like Florian Lipowitz, like, he will come back, like, at some point the peloton will calm down where they're assuming Tad is not going to jump in the break with them. So it kind of was fine. It just looks weird.

[Lance Armstrong]

It looks weird, but I mean, this is. Now we're getting into the third week of the Tour de France. Teams are starting to get desperate. They don't have stage wins. I don't know how many teams do not Have a win right now.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You probably know quite a.

[George Hincapie]

Quite a few.

[Lance Armstrong]

Quite a few. So what, what happens? It makes the racing super aggressive and it doesn't matter. I think even, well, maybe not the yellow jersey was off the back, but second place, I mean, they got to make the breakaway. It's their, it's their job to make the breakaway. They're not going to stop no matter what. And I guess Visma is like, yeah, he'll be fine coming up on his own. So.

[George Hincapie]

Well, any of us who won yesterday misses the break and they're the ones pulling it back and they just got a stage win and they're like, that's not good enough. And then they did successfully get someone across. But I thought really interesting, most interesting part of the day, Tim Wellens gets in the early move, sitting at the back of the bunch, not working wout Van Art comes back to say, hey man, you got to take a hole, right? And he declines. And that probably contributes to him being fresh enough to launch that great winning attack. Can you guys just tell me like, why is that? Why does he not have to work in the breakaway?

[Spencer Martin]

That's just historical in cycling. It's sort of an unwritten rule. A little bit like the one where the yellow jersey stops for, for a natural break, that no one should attack. This one's the same. If you're in the yellow jersey leading team gc, you know, and a rider from your team gets in a break and you're just marshalling the break, you have the right to sit on because you're the gc, the yellow jersey team, and that's always been that way.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I, I can see that both ways. I mean, there's nobody in that break that's, that's jeopardizing Tade Pogaar. Um, yes, I, I think I, I think that can be a satisfactory historical answer. You can also do, you can also find some hybrid solution, right? You're not driving the brake, you're just kind of pull, you're just going through and, and sort of TV pools and that, that, that keeps everybody happy and you're not wasting any energy. But you know, I could see their perspective too. I mean a wild van aren't saying, hey, right, nobody up here is jeopardizing yellow. So let's you know, you're a fantastic one day race. You're fantastic. You've won 40 at this point. You'd won 40 races in your career. Like, you're a favorite in this group. Like, come on, you got to ride through. I, I Can see that both ways.

[Lance Armstrong]

We have seen Wild Bernard in breakaways in other grand tours where he had a leader.

[George Hincapie]

It just happened, right?

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. And I mean, I think he's worked in the breakaway, so I can see his point of view as well. But like Bradley said, it's historical. You don't have to pull when you have your guy in the back in the yellow jersey. And I mean, let's not, let's not forget he went away with 50k to go with guys like Quinn Simmons and Camp Bernard's behind him. No panic hooking. These guys are the strongest guys in the world. And he just kept putting time on.

[Spencer Martin]

You know, and he's basically done what we've been saying Visma should do. Yeah, just sit back. It's your job to ride. Are we going to sit here and take that risk?

[George Hincapie]

Well, and he knew it was so fast behind. He knew they didn't have time to really argue. And then Vanderpoel needed the intermediate sprint points, so of course he was going to drive it. So it's really smart move from Wellens.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. And going early perhaps surprise them. And they should have known that, that he was, he was going to do something like that. Now maybe he did it earlier, which is smart.

[Lance Armstrong]

And he went with crazy power. Quinn. Quinn was going all out and kind of kept him there like two, three seconds. And then just the gap after that right hand corner just started increasing. Very impressive attack by Tim Wells.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Look, Quinn Simmons is riding a hell of a race, right? He's, he's. I think to me, he's demonstrated up until now that he's one of the 10 strongest guys in the race. Now, having said that, I, I would almost make the case that he is showing too much, doing too much. I could look back at at least two stages, maybe three, where if you just play things a little differently. We're talking about a guy that's one has already won a stage or two and even a third. And I watch his post raise interview. Look, I mean, this is. There's nothing. Look, people get excited about being in the Tour and being in the breaks and stuff like that. But you know, at some point you got to be pissed that you don't have that stage that you deserve. So my message to Quinn would be like, hey, next time, like, you don't get these opportunities. Look, look at the rest of the Tour. You are not gonna. He's gonna have another opportunity because he's tough and he's one of the 10 strongest guys in the race. But if you find yourself there. Every second counts, every decision counts. Wait, just don't. You just don't get many cracks at it.

[George Hincapie]

The thing that concerns, like, if you're coaching kids, it's like, I don't care if you lose. I want you to understand why you lost. And Quinn Simmons didn't understand why he lost.

[Lance Armstrong]

I agree.

[George Hincapie]

In the. Because he was like, oh, that's weird. Wellens was sitting on and then attacked. That's a strange way to ride. It's like, no, that's the good way to ride. That's how you win.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

So that concerned me slightly.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, there's no doubt he's one of the most aggressive, if not the most aggressive guy in the race. He's made the hardest breakaways so far and hopefully just gets it right in the next breakaway he goes in.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. And we're pulling for that.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Do less.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Speaking. Speaking of people not. Or speaking of people either getting it right or not getting it right. Julian Al Philippe somehow some way thought he was sprinting for the win and came around or beat Bob Van Aert. And I guess the team confirmed it that, that he thought he now was spraying for third, not second. One of those moments, I mean, here's one of the greatest of the generation. Multi time world champion boy didn't have a radio or the ra. The race radio was not working properly. So it wasn't aware. But still have the awareness that you're not sprinting for the win. It's those days where you go back in the bus and you're like, oh, well.

[Lance Armstrong]

I think that's just a testament of how hard today was. Testament of how tight the groups were in between. So the cars couldn't really come. They were without water for a long time. He crashed in the beginning of stage. So, I mean, think about everything he went through today. And then all of a sudden he finds himself with what he thought was the lead group because he didn't have any radio communication. There's thousands of people on the side of the road. I can see where the confusion would come from. And unfortunately he didn't get the win. But he's clearly riding really good.

[George Hincapie]

As Bradley said. Maybe he thought, well, Camp Bernard's is right in front of him, but maybe he thought he was right there. The Mavic motorcycle.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, I mean the front of the.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Front of the race feels different than.

[Lance Armstrong]

You'Re coming into the home stretch of the Tour de France finish with one kid to go. You're blinded by noise and just the riders right next to you. It's hard to see something 100 meters in front of you.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's not a small race.

[George Hincapie]

I think it does speak to just how, like, hard these stages are. These guys don't even know, like, where they are.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

It's funny. Vanderpoel had the thing the other day, didn't he? Where he. Didn't he. He thought he was the front.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

So talking about two of the best riders in the world essentially made the same mistake because of the intensity of their. The atmosphere surrounding them. It's just the Tour de France is absolutely crazy.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Hmm.

[George Hincapie]

That kind of reminds me, Bradley. Like, Quinn Simmons on that stage, attacked before Vanderpoel. Vanderpoel catches him, drops him. You kind of wonder, maybe just stick on Vanderpool's wheel and see if you can follow him. And then those two guys are chasing Auburn. Hunson.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

So just. Just regulate, regulate. You have. Quinn Simmons has a ton of horsepower. There's plenty horsepower to win multiple stages.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Just be careful. Right. And use it when it really counts.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

We talked about this the other day, that as the Tour, as you get deeper and deeper into the Tour, you start to see these interests come out for. For teams, whether it's Team gc, one of the jerseys, a white jersey, a podium spot, or even. And we said this, you know, fighting to keep a rider in the top 10. If you look at the peloton being pulled by EF to protect Ben Healy's ninth place on GC, now, they weren't able to do that. He slipped to 10th. But still, that shows you. Now, again, you're back there. You're uae, you're Tata. You're, like, cool. These guys are. They're gonna ride for ninth place. I mean, this is. This is stuff that happens in the. In the back half of. Of every Tour.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. And he's got. I mean, Tati's got no concern right now. He's got the best team in the race. He's got the guy in the breakaway. He's got the guys that can ride all day long if they need to. So like you said, today, they just kind of had a day off. They were able to sit in and let EF and Unox do a lot of the work.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I mean, you said it.

[Lance Armstrong]

Look.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I mean, they lost Almeida early. We were like, wow, that's. That's a big blow for this team. Look at this team bounce back.

[George Hincapie]

They had four guys with them.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Nobody. Nobody even remembers them losing Almeida.

[Lance Armstrong]

No, no.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Right. Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

Actually, if Almeida was still here, the podium Would, I think, would look a lot different.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Goodness, yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

He'd probably be right there.

[George Hincapie]

Complicates it for them maybe more than perhaps.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

All right, quick break for our friends at Peacock. We'll be back in 2 and 32. All right, everybody, welcome back to the move. While we were on that little commercial break, phone lines, I was told. Phone line just been lighting up this morning here at the MOVE studio in reference to this said photo from Austin. Something about circulation. And.

[Spencer Martin]

He'S looking.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Bradley's looking everything. Well, we had to. We've had to slightly modify the photo. All right. Not bad, not bad, not bad.

[Lance Armstrong]

It's a good pick. I like that shirt. Lance, what's that shirt?

[Bradley Wiggins]

I don't.

[Lance Armstrong]

Your shirt.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Oh, I thought it was the photo. No, no, this is a new Melody's tea.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, that's cool.

[Spencer Martin]

You got the new branding also, George.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, do five, six, seven. Wow. Green jersey heating up. I mean, Jonathan. So now, I mean, it's going to be wild. Jonathan Milan still technically winning. Yeah, of course.

[George Hincapie]

But got nothing today.

[Bradley Wiggins]

The barometer there is stock prices driving, stock prices dropping. Matthew Vanderpoel, all of a sudden in this discussion, he's going to be getting points all the way to Paris and Tati Poguchar. It's going to heat up.

[Lance Armstrong]

It is. I mean, Jonathan Milan, too. We're not sure what happened to him today, but that rest day is coming at the perfect timing for him because he's really going to need to recover in order to keep going after this green jersey. And if a guy like Matthew Vanderpoel is knocking on your door, I'd be pretty nervous myself.

[George Hincapie]

I would go as far as to say it might be done.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Because there's six stages left.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Wow.

[George Hincapie]

How many intermediate sprints does Vanderpoel not get? Yeah, he probably gets every single one because he's going to be in the break and then Pagachar, if he wins three more mountain stages, that's 60 points.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, if you look at the Vantu one, I mean, they. Well, that's a long ways out.

[George Hincapie]

112K.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's kind of hard for them to control that one.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah, but. But don't you have to.

[Lance Armstrong]

I mean, they kind of have to love Skillmans. They kind of have to.

[George Hincapie]

You saw today, it was not pot. Nobody could control it. It was like 36 miles an hour for the first hour. Is that possible to control if you're.

[Lance Armstrong]

If your only sort of goal is to control it? Yes. Because a team like Little Trek, if If this was a sprint finish, they'd put all their. Their guys at the front for 200k and control it like they can let a breakaway of 10 guys go on.

[Spencer Martin]

You have no option but to draw and try.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I think you have.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's why they're here for the only option. Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

But even if they controlled it today, Milan's off the back, so that's also where it gets.

[Lance Armstrong]

But this is flatter. He's got a rest day. You think he'd be able to recover? I mean, the guy can go uphill. He's gotten. He's done well in Milan, San Remo, so he just needs to recover and he can certainly get over any of these little bumps before the Von 2.

[Spencer Martin]

What a great competition, though. You got it. You got the. The world. The best GC ride in the world, one of the best sprinters in the world and the best classics rider in the world. All fine for the jersey.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And I will say this. If Jonathan Milan and his team can figure out a way to control the peloton and get him these points and he holds on to win in Paris, well, that's pretty awesome. That's well deserved.

[George Hincapie]

Probably will come down to Paris because that's a 50 finish and which is.

[Lance Armstrong]

Suiting to Van Pol a lot.

[George Hincapie]

I actually could imagine all three winning under different circumstances, which is pretty interesting.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Certainly shaping up to be more exciting than. Than the yellow jersey can be. Fun.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

As you know, the Tour and we talked about some. If you watch the race as we do, you know, see all the castles and the rivers and the bridges and all this stuff. We had the comment at the other day. There was that field art with Bernard Hino that I was. I thought was. I put that up. That was yellow jersey for me in terms of like, ever, all time. I don't know how they did that, but as the Tour rolls through France and people do the crazier and crazier things to. To. To get on tv. Right. So they'll pull themselves up on cranes while they're on a bike and they'll be sort of air pedaling and the crane will be spinning. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. And then you get the guy or gal who gets on a horse, right. Rolling down beside the peloton. Great for the helicopter shot the other day. We saw something. We picked it up on Instagram. I've never. I've seen it all. I feel like I've never seen this. All right. This is a whole new sport. I was. Oh, come on. New Olympic Sport unlocked. There is a guy on a motorcycle pulling a dude on skis. Like, he's like water skis behind the moto with a rope beside the peloton. One more time.

[Lance Armstrong]

We ought to try that here.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I mean, I. I would 100% try that. I grew up water skiing. I could easily do this. That's pretty insane.

[Lance Armstrong]

That is insane.

[George Hincapie]

That is insane.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I mean, that's amazing. Bradley's like, how many more days of the tour?

[Spencer Martin]

One week. One week to go.

[Bradley Wiggins]

We had and arrested.

[Spencer Martin]

Lots to happen. And arrest day you got arrested.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You don't have to do anything tomorrow other than ride up Independence Pass.

[Spencer Martin]

Yep.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Which I was a little surprised to hear you say. Well, and a little. I was a little interested in maybe tagging along.

[Spencer Martin]

You don't want to do that.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Sorry, George. What do you mean?

[Spencer Martin]

How slow do you want to go?

[Bradley Wiggins]

I want to go slow. That's why I didn't go with George the other day.

[Spencer Martin]

Maybe we go gruppetto then.

[Bradley Wiggins]

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[George Hincapie]

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[Bradley Wiggins]

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[Lance Armstrong]

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[Spencer Martin]

Well, they said on the TV they were, it was one of the biggest fines ever given out to a team car in the tour de France, 5,000 Swiss francs.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I disagree with that, which I think if you. Yeah, no, I mean if you watch this.

[Lance Armstrong]

Actually jumped in front of the car, so. Yeah, well, they didn't just.

[Bradley Wiggins]

They not only jumped in front of the car, but you're jumping in front of a moving car. Watch this. Okay. Jump in front of a car.

[Lance Armstrong]

That wasn't a good look, but boom.

[Spencer Martin]

See in the hospital.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Here we go. And you are looking. All right. If you're going to jump in front of a car and you're going to look the other way to take a photo or a video. Yeah, maybe, maybe you deserve to get hit, right? Yeah. No, the thing is not that anybody deserves, if it was a ride, the.

[Lance Armstrong]

Same stuff better than them hitting a rider.

[Spencer Martin]

But that's the thing. If it was a rider that hit a spectator, we'd be. The rider would be the victim and the spectator would be taken off the side of the road, etc. But now it's the other way around. It's been hit by car. Now the car's been fine.

[George Hincapie]

Well, outside of hitting the person, the car did nothing wrong.

[Spencer Martin]

Exactly.

[George Hincapie]

It's like other than the patient dying, the Surgery was a success. So I don't really know how you handle that with the fine.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It'd be a good question for Johan on y' all show, because I don't think Johan never, certainly never intentionally hit anybody with the front of the car, but there might have been a few times where the mechanics rear door accidentally opened. Oh, really? You can ask him.

[Lance Armstrong]

On the show. We saw a lot of. A couple strange things going on in the beginning where Poguchar would not get off of Jurgensen's wheel, never letting him slip off the front.

[George Hincapie]

He's 32 minutes down in GC and he's far.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't get. That's weird. I think we're going to see more and more of that because I think Visma, like I keep saying, is they're going to go all in for the breakaways moving forward. So.

[George Hincapie]

And that seemed to be the crux of the argument early. Like he was just sitting on Mateo saying, I maybe wasn't saying it, but like, hey, your guys in the back. Yeah, I'll go. I'll drop back when you drop back. And Mateo didn't want to do that. And then he kind of marked him out of every breakaway attempt he had. It just seems like there's something. Some friction is going on there. And Jorgensen was a little. He kind of rubbed the Dofanate time trial in Pogacha's face a little bit, I thought at the time. And I kind of wonder if that didn't sit too well with Pugach.

[Spencer Martin]

He's kept receipts.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, he does. He does.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I've been saying that. Speaking of Mateo, Jorgensen and. And the rest, I just. I did dig up this message from Matteo's mom because we had shown a picture of a bed and it was a Visma bed, all kitted out with sheets and everything. And she says, I can verify that each Vesma rider has their own mattress density specs customized by the sponsor. Mateo says it's actually nice to have the expectations set, knowing each night how his mattress will feel. He sleeps quite well, in fact. That's pretty. I mean, so bringing it. Think of the lift. I mean, when we started racing the so on yours and you know, do a rain a day in the rain, the kit was just disgusting. We would do our laundry in the sink and then eventually they. We had the. The team trucks and they had washers and dryers in there. And the swan years were like, we have to do the laundry. Right? And now these poor soigneurs are lugging around Mattresses, you know, air conditioners, they.

[Lance Armstrong]

Clean the rooms a lot of times beforehand.

[Spencer Martin]

And I believe some mattress has their own washing machine as well.

[Lance Armstrong]

Now, you guys started that.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah. So rather than put eight pairs of shorts in one washing machine, because the bacteria and stuff are chamois and things, each rider has their own washing machine.

[George Hincapie]

Is that how bacteria works? Isn't that what.

[Spencer Martin]

No. If you see your feet have different bacteria, don't they? So if you wash a pair of socks in with a chamois and stuff, this is what I've been told. I mean, it's not. I've got a degree in it or anything, but. And so, you know, saddle sores and bacteria in the chamois. Because obviously if you wash eight pairs of kit together.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Imagine the turd that's in it.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And I always had. I had the worst true story. I mean, I had terrible saddle swords in my day.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, it wasn't. It wasn't that when you turn your engine on, when you keep moving your shorts. Yeah, that was your trying to get your engine. But now, according to Dateline, I think it was.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I'm now. I'm now putting two and two together.

[Spencer Martin]

He's got hobbit feet.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, there's something I didn't realize. Foot funk is different than.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, no, it is.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

Is that right, Spencer?

[George Hincapie]

Well, it's got to be. If you guys invested in that many washing machines.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, they got a deal.

[George Hincapie]

They got a good deal from Siemens. It was fantastic. What were you saying? Not that. Come on, guys.

[Spencer Martin]

It's the.

[George Hincapie]

It's the problematic German company. Not what you're thinking. But. Lance, were you saying you washed your own kit in the sink?

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, they used to roll it in a towel.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. So you would. You know, this is going back to the early 90s. Yeah, you would. And by the way, chamois back then were not like. They weren't a synthetic chamois. They were actual shammy. But we would. We would wash them in the sink and you would just use shampoo or liquid body soap that they had in the hotel rooms. And you sit there and wash them as much as you could and. And then take them out and wring them out to get as much water out. And then we had this whole system where you would lay a towel flat on the floor and. And if it's a big enough towel, you can get both the short and the jersey in that one towel. And you'd start with a short and then you lay them as flat as you can, and then you would, at the very bottom, just roll this thing up as tight as you could all the way to the top. So everything's within this towel.

[Spencer Martin]

Like a cinnamon bun.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Like a cinnamon bun, which I eat every morning. And then you would. Then you would stomp on the towel to get all. And then you would take it out. And I mean, it's. It's almost like you. You put it in the spin dryer.

[Lance Armstrong]

Still use that technique once in a while.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, I mean, I actually do.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah. It's probably not. It kind of explains the saddle sores because you're, like, not getting probably as clean as it needs to be. But, George, what you're saying about the rooms and the mattresses. Yeah, that is a huge.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, huge.

[George Hincapie]

Because, like, what's the point of doing all the training, all the sacrifice, and then you're in some bad hotel without AC and you can't cool down and your core body temperature's too high the next day? Like, it does kind of make sense.

[Lance Armstrong]

Which, I mean, the hotels range from two stars to four stars. So you got a lot of, you know, subpar hotels in the Tour de France. And these guys really try to control their sleeping environment, which makes a ton of sense.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And this goes back to Johan's point earlier in the Tour. The. I mean, they've really increased the staff count on Tour. I mean, back in the day, we had a couple few soigneurs and a couple few mechanics. The director, like, there wasn't. You couldn't have. You didn't have enough humans to lug eight mattresses to do, to run eight different washing machines to handle food to get. I mean, we just didn't have the manpower. Right. So you. But now that speaks to the budget.

[George Hincapie]

In, like, what we're describing is money. Like, money takes care of all of this. But we were talking about Lotto and Inter Marche merging the other day. It's because I think Inter Marche's budget is 18 million euros a year, which used to be a lot. I went back in 2019, that would have been like the full fourth highest budget in the World Tour.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

And now they're like, that's not even close. So they're trying to get like a 33 million euro a year budget combined to just be able to compete. But a lot of it, probably the money goes to things like this.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, that means there's going to be a lot of riders total. You can't total up those teams and have that, that, that headcount from a rider standpoint. So then RK Going away straight to Georgia's Gofundme. Also looking for riders.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's right. We got like six spots left.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Ventum trivia of the day. We asked the question yesterday about. About the Tourmalet. It's the most climbed mountain pass in the history of the Tour. And what year was it first featured in the Tour? I gave a little spoiler teaser. I said it was a long time ago, kids. That would be 1910. You watched the stage yesterday. Imagine going over that bad boy in 1910.

[George Hincapie]

It would. That would have been an innovation, right? Like we're going into the mountains and people must have been protesting it. Like, no, we can't do that.

[Bradley Wiggins]

If you don't, you may not come back. So send your wife and loved ones a note. Right? That kind of thing. 1910, going over that thing. No, thanks. Question of the day for stage 15. Which rider holds the record for the longest successful solo breakaway starting from Carcassonne in 1947? As a multichoice, which rider holds the record for the longest successful solo breakaway starting from Carcassonne in 1947? Bradley, you know a lot about cycling. You damn sure don't know the answer to this.

[Spencer Martin]

I do.

[Bradley Wiggins]

A, Louis.

[Lance Armstrong]

Try me.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Louis Bobe. B, Albert Boulong. C. Jean Robique D, Andre Mahi. We almost need a land for some of these names. That is the Ventum Trivia question of the day. Do you know?

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Okay. Don't say it. That's a.

[George Hincapie]

It's absurd. You know that result from 1947.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I think he knows because he's looking at it and the one of the letters is slightly off. It's different.

[Spencer Martin]

No, I. I did know that one. Only because my. One of my solo breakaways in Detroit is still the seventh longest in Tour history.

[Lance Armstrong]

Which one was that one?

[Spencer Martin]

The one into Bogdozon, 2007.

[Lance Armstrong]

Mountain stager.

[Spencer Martin]

No, it was a flat stage. 200, 207 days. No, I didn't. I got caught.

[Lance Armstrong]

That's right, you got caught. Okay.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Did you say your gap was like 16 minutes?

[Spencer Martin]

17 and a half minutes.

[George Hincapie]

Wow. Nowadays you'd stay away.

[Spencer Martin]

Well, yeah, look, this is. I was. This was my pat de f and rice cakes and 250 grams of carbon hour.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting.

[Spencer Martin]

A little ham and bread roll. You know, the French used to make you can of coke in your museum.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, you're opening like. Think of the arrow losses. I have a question for you guys. Go for it. West day tomorrow. Von 2 on stage 16 out of the rest. It looks like Looks like a hockey stick. That's what the profile looks like. So Vontu is the only feature who wins on this climb.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Poker Teddy.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, because.

[George Hincapie]

Go ahead.

[Bradley Wiggins]

No, poker wins and he should win. Right. I feel like if I think back to my career and it was a well known story, you know, riding up with Pontani and he won the stage. I don't want to get into the details of the conversation or the controversy certainly when it comes to him, because he's not here to chime in. But I will never forget at the top getting a phone call from Eddie Merck saying. Because his view was that I gifted the stage, he said, you don't ever, ever give away the volunteer. It is that special. Tati Poguchar knows that I'm not a historian, so I don't know if today's one up the volunteer. If he hasn't he. He's gonna win with one leg.

[Lance Armstrong]

So when Eddie calls you, were you pissed or did you.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I did not feel great. I was handily in yellow and it's one of those moments you're like, wow, that, that was a shitty phone call. Yeah.

[Lance Armstrong]

But it all depends on what they want to do on Tuesday.

[Bradley Wiggins]

It's just so special.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

So there's going to be a zillion people there. It's, it's, it's very, very special.

[Lance Armstrong]

I would say a guy like today wants to win that stage.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Absolutely.

[Lance Armstrong]

But on the other hand, perhaps the team wants to save their guys for the Alps and all the difficult stages coming up.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah. Because just from a sporting perspective or like, strategy, they should let the breakaway win.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

But this added.

[Bradley Wiggins]

No, not on the juice.

[George Hincapie]

They kind of. And you guys remember what happened the last time they came here. Mr. Picacho got dropped by Jonas, so.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That'S not going to happen. He's got a correct vibe, by the way. That team is floating. We talked about at the top of the show. This, this team is.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. They got the momentum going.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you were going to say something, Bradley.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah. And that's without Mal Maeda as well. This team has has recalibrated, reset themselves after the disappointment of Almeida. You know, the question marks around some of the other helpers in that team, and they've come into this third week now completely in control.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Who wins on the Bontu today?

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah, I mean, he has to.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, I agree.

[Spencer Martin]

This is, this is. I think that's why he's backed off the last couple of days with this in mind.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

But what does he do on the Rest day. We've been speaking about how riders can come out of a rest day on a stage like this and never be. There's a little bit of uncertainty. I mean, how long would you have done on a day like this? The rest day. I'd have done three, four hours on a ride like this with some efforts.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you.

[Lance Armstrong]

I was.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That's never. Was never a popular practice on Postal. Back in the day, I was not well liked on the team for. But yeah, I wanted to go out and the engine's engine's running. Right. I mean, don't let it. Don't back off. Like, you don't have to go out and bear yourself, but you have to go out and get into those zones that. That are. You know, simulate the race, even for little snippets. But the boys hated it. Hated it.

[Lance Armstrong]

Did you guys ever come out of a rest day going, oh, man, I feel terrible.

[Bradley Wiggins]

No, no.

[Spencer Martin]

No, no, no.

[George Hincapie]

Interesting.

[Lance Armstrong]

Maybe I have. Yeah. Because I was a bit lazier on the rest day. I would like to just chill. And then if you started up, he'll be awful.

[Bradley Wiggins]

That South America Latino in you. Hey, man.

[Spencer Martin]

The worst one were the rest days where you had a summit finish the day before and you stayed at the summit.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

So you'd either descend the mountain and ride back up it or you did home trainer up on the top.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah. And then I guess you'd have to sleep at altitude. Probably not.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah. Also not ideal.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Ideal, but cooler.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Back in the day when we. We didn't have eight washing machines and eight air conditioners and everything else was cooler.

[George Hincapie]

Well, we have another. We have some pretty smart listeners. Someone did a data analysis for us.

[Lance Armstrong]

Oh, boy.

[George Hincapie]

And sent it in. All right, do we have that to pull up? Mr. Bolshe? So this is this. They broke down.

[Bradley Wiggins]

What's going on?

[George Hincapie]

They broke down. Based on the YouTube Comments Attributes of all the hosts. So this is that they first did. Lance.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Is this like ChatGPT is a host Attributes, Lance. Let's look at the sentiment associated with these attributes. Relance. Lance garnered a positive sentiment in all attributes except attitude, which was negative. Oh, Lord. Here's some quotes. Oh, here's the attitude. Some of the keywords mean grumpy, cranky boy. Oh, all right. This is a lot.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, a lot.

[Bradley Wiggins]

I'm Odin. Right.

[George Hincapie]

And then, so.

[Bradley Wiggins]

So wait, do I. Am I getting a passing grade or am I getting the failing grade?

[George Hincapie]

This is just the baseline. And then we have a one for George, I believe.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Wow. George Garnered a positive sentiment at the. In all attributes.

[Lance Armstrong]

Why do I get so little on athleticism?

[George Hincapie]

Look at, look at YouTube comments.

[Lance Armstrong]

Really?

[Bradley Wiggins]

This is somebody, this is somebody does this for a living.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, look.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And the poor soul put their email address on there at the bottom. Don't nobody look bottom left.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah, just don't look down there. Everyone be cool about that.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Okay. And Sir Bradley Wiggins. We don't have that.

[Spencer Martin]

I can do my own.

[George Hincapie]

It's still rendering, I think.

[Lance Armstrong]

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

[Spencer Martin]

That was really.

[Lance Armstrong]

That is, except the athleticism part.

[George Hincapie]

That was good actually. Yeah. I'd be curious to know like how that. We were just up at the house looking at that, like marveling at the effort this person put into breaking down YouTube comments.

[Bradley Wiggins]

AI did all that.

[George Hincapie]

Well, we don't know.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Don't. I don't, I don't know. I don't know how all that works.

[George Hincapie]

Hand tabulated by each comment. I have one more question for you guys before we go. I don't think this worked, by the way. Back in Tiger woods era. This is from Dan. Back in Tiger Woods's dominant era, golf course designers and tournament organizers tried to tiger proof courses for tournaments. I don't think that was successful. If Taday continues his dominant run in cycling, could you see the Tour de France organizers try to tattoo proof future tours? Could it be done? How would it be done?

[Bradley Wiggins]

Well, of course they could. They could absolutely do that. It is that we've, we've said this many, many times. It is their race. They dictate the course. If they can do whatever they want.

[George Hincapie]

Right.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And, and we heard a lot about this back in the day and, and I, and I. And they did try to sort of create courses that would make it harder for us. And I said, look, I mean, if they want to do three weeks of criteriums around Paris and they can, we will then have to try to figure out a way to win the bike race. But they could have built it a way that you couldn't win.

[George Hincapie]

Right.

[Bradley Wiggins]

And they can, they could, they could certainly do that with Taddy. But look, in my answer back then, which should be Tati's answer, is if the race goes around the country and they go through the Alps and they go through the Pyrenees and they throw in a time trial, maybe, maybe not. We're going to win and so will he. Like it doesn't I, I don't see.

[Spencer Martin]

What they could do without. I mean, they put a tour of Flanders in there, a Paris Roubaix.

[Lance Armstrong]

Well, then he's still going by more.

[Spencer Martin]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You would have to make it would. It would be a mockery if they, if they. But. But they are not going to do that. By the way, ASO likes this story. They like him, right. They like his personality. Do they like that, that it's this dominant and it's. It's not that close? No, no. I mean, no organizer, no sport likes that, but they like him. Right. And so they're not gonna, they're gonna ride this. That's what they do.

[George Hincapie]

I feel like in tennis it's never seen as a problem. Like you go look at list of tennis major winners and it's like the same three names and oftentimes you'll get like someone on a dominant run, but it's never like, we've gotta stop this. It's. People just seem to enjoy it more. I'm not quite sure why. Also you would. You would say one answer would be more time trials. Well, without the time. Because he's, he's bad at time trials. Right. Without time trials. If you just took those out of this tour. Jonas is 232 back. So Teddy's actually increased his lead significantly in the time trials.

[Spencer Martin]

But then Teddy would have just attacked yesterday.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah.

[Spencer Martin]

You can only train to the demands of the event that's put in front of you. You know, so all that. That's my mind.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Their job is to make a route that's exciting. Yeah. Yes. They want it to be competitive and keep it competitive for as long as possible. But it's, it's also meant to be exciting for the viewer, which is what we are. And I think they've done it from. From the get go here in 2025. I thought they did a great job. I mean, those early stages. Except it's been. Look at today.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Like I kind of gave myself a little freedom to sleep in a little bit. I woke up, I was like, whoa. I mean, this is exciting. Like there's every day has had something. So they also, they're patting themselves on the back for that now. As we said at the top of the show, there's not a lot of teams that have won stages here or have impacted the race or stood on a podium. So that's going to really spice up the back week in the last week. But I thought it's, you know, I give them high marks for the route that they picked this year.

[Lance Armstrong]

I agree. And tomorrow it's going to start off with a bang. I mean, tomorrow's best too. But yeah, I mean, Tuesday with Mama.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Too so wait, no, hang on. There might be some. Never mind. Yeah, that's the question we got to.

[George Hincapie]

But we won't get to that one today.

[Lance Armstrong]

Okay.

[Bradley Wiggins]

About bangs.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

There's not a good answer on that. Whoever asked that question. No good answer there. Maybe we should see what Chipolini's doing. Maybe he'd like to zoom in on the rest day and comment on that question. Super Mario.

[George Hincapie]

Yep.

[Bradley Wiggins]

You guys follow me here. Yeah, like a bunch of.

[Lance Armstrong]

We're two steps behind a bunch of kindergartners.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Anyways. All right, I think we got it.

[George Hincapie]

Yeah.

[Bradley Wiggins]

Yeah. I just have a little screen on here with the open. Speaking of anti tire trying to tiger proof things. Scotty Scheffler running away with this sport. But it happens, you know, when you watch. It's fun to watch a goat, which is what we're watching in this tour. All right, everybody, thanks for tuning in. We will see. Not tomorrow. We will see you Tuesday for. For the Legend Marvel ii.