Session 103: Banks

Summary

Podcast Summary: Therapuss with Jake Shane

Episode 103: Banks
Date: October 25, 2025
Guest: Banks (musician)
Host: Jake Shane

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Overview

In this introspective and candid episode, Jake Shane ("Therapuss") sits down with acclaimed singer-songwriter Banks for a conversation blending music, mental health, and delightful tangents. The episode explores Banks’s recent musical milestones, life transitions, unique love story, touring experiences, artistic process, and opinions on everything from gym anxiety to AI. The pair also tackle audience-submitted dilemmas in their signature, empathetic but irreverent style.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Banks’ Recent Career Moves and Collaborations

[02:14–03:06]

• Released a new album and headlined an American tour.
• Opened for Lana Del Rey in the UK (Glasgow, Dublin, Liverpool).
• First time collaborating with Lana; describes her as "the sweetest, coolest, most talented" and recounts how the opportunity came about quickly and organically.
• Banks praises Lana's live show for its cinematic staging.

2. Living in Seattle & Personal Growth

[03:10–04:51]

• Moved from LA to Seattle two years ago for a change of pace and because her fiancé is from there.
• Seattle described as a calming, restorative home base outside the entertainment industry.
• Discussion on local activities (nature, hiking, fishing, fly fishing plans).

3. Iconic Music Placement: "Crowded Places" on Girls

[05:08–05:45]

• Lena Dunham reached out to use Banks’s song "Crowded Places" in the finale of Girls – a point of deep pride:

  "Such an honor to have a song in the finale of the entire show. So…was unreal." — Banks [05:34]

4. Wedding & Relationship Stories

[05:47–10:43]

• Engaged to a retired lacrosse player, now a coach.
• Recounts a wild first date: fiancé visited during COVID, her car was stolen, involved in a police chase, and found with an open jar of Nutella and a stranger’s luggage.

  "Honestly, that is the craziest first date story I’ve ever heard." — Jake [10:25]

• Sweet proposal involving cherry blossoms in Seattle.

5. Dating, Self-Awareness, and Readiness for Relationships

[11:10–12:20]

• Jake shares candid reflections on not being ready for a relationship due to his lifestyle.

  "I just think it would be too selfish of me to say that I am... I cannot... give myself to someone like that." — Jake [12:12]

6. Touring: Joys and Challenges

[12:32–15:14]

• Both have extensive touring experience—discuss exhaustion, the importance of routine and team dynamics, and how it "feels kind of like adult summer camp" once you find your rhythm.
• Banks recalls her first tour opening for The Weeknd and learning to manage “show-day” anxiety.

7. Musical Creativity & The Artistry Process

[17:51–18:55]

• Banks only writes when inspiration strikes—sees herself as a "medium."

  "It feels like I'm a medium almost, and I don't even know what I'm writing about till it's happening." — Banks [18:20]

• First forays into songwriting were therapeutic and stream-of-consciousness, later evolving into her signature style.

8. Music Industry Beginnings & Viral Breakthrough

[19:28–21:41]

• Initially majored in psychology at USC.
• Got discovered when her demos (shared via SoundCloud) were picked up by influential radio host Zane Lowe.
• "[Seeing] people sing my lyrics and how much… it resonates with people… it's still surreal," Banks shares, especially after years of writing for herself.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Empowerment & Female Success:

  “I just feel like guys are generally intimidated by, you know, a successful woman. So I was very intrigued by [my fiancé’s] confidence.” — Banks [06:44]

• On Touring:

  “It fucks your adrenal glands… but now it feels kind of like adult summer camp… you need the right team and energies.” — Banks [13:02–13:59]

• On Songwriting:

  “When I write, it's not like a mental thing. It just needs to [flow]… like I’m a medium.” — Banks [18:19]

• On Show Venues:

  “Playing Radio City in New York was pretty legendary for me.” — Banks [16:46]

• On Artistic Authenticity:

  "Art is literally to express what you need to express... the antithesis of art is having a robot just make something for you." — Banks [34:02]

• On Relationship Advice:

  "If you really like someone, you can make it work. I dated someone that was in Australia when I was in LA. Like, I think you could." — Banks [37:38]

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Audience "Tell Me What's Wrong" Advice Segment

[26:31–39:47]
Rapid-fire, witty, and heartfelt commentary on listener submissions:

• Sex Dream about a Friend’s Dad:
  Consensus: Don’t tell the friend; just move on.

  "You just have to swallow it and pretend..." — Jake [26:57]

• Toxic Ex Posting Texts Online:
  Strongly condemned as “psychotic,” with advice to ignore public perception.

  "Anybody who would do that looks way worse than the person they're posting about." — Banks [27:44]

• Competitive Sibling College Applications:
  Advice: Don’t judge yourself for feeling competitive; it doesn’t actually lower chances.

  "Maybe don't tell her, like, I hope you don't get in. Maybe work through those feelings." — Banks [30:50]

• Toxic Friendships:
  If you know someone is draining, take a step back, even if it means losing mutual friends.

• Crushing on an AI Bot:
  Both amused and unsettled; warning that creative work should remain human-driven.

• Gym Anxiety:
  Everyone feels out of place at first! No one is really watching you—just go for it.

• Long Distance Relationships:
  Get creative with movie nights, reading the same book, and FaceTime. "If you want it to work, you’ll find a way."

• Overuse of "Slay":
  If your roommate says "slay" even when someone dies, it might be time for a heart-to-heart.

• Unrequited Love for a Friend (asked to be Maid of Honor):
  Don’t act on feelings—put them aside, or politely decline if it will be too hard.

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Personal, Pop Culture & Music Chat

• Banks is currently watching Vampire Diaries (“best show ever”) [23:27].
• Jake’s favorite show of the moment is Mr. Robot.
• Banks avoids horror movies, preferring to read plots on Wikipedia instead.

Music Recommendations:

• Lou (French artist), Ray, “Crung Bin,” Maribou State, Brandy (her warm-up artist), Imogen Heap.
• On Fiona Apple:

  "Fiona Apple is, like, for me, that one artist when I was younger that, like, who really, really was the one for me... she's raw and real and... divinely, femininely wild." — Banks [41:56]

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Standout Timestamps

• Opening & Lana Del Rey Tour: [02:14–03:06]
• Moving to Seattle/Life Changes: [03:10–04:51]
• First Date Chaos: [07:00–10:43]
• Crowded Places Placement: [05:16–05:45]
• Discussion on Touring: [12:32–15:14], [16:46]
• Songwriting Process: [17:51–18:55], [21:03]
• "Tell Me What's Wrong" Segment: [26:31–39:47]
• Banks’ Music & TV Picks: [40:33–43:17]
• Reflections & End: [43:45–44:10]

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Wrap-up & Takeaways

The episode is a blend of laughter, vulnerability, and practical wisdom on art, relationships, performing, and embracing change. Banks's groundedness and candor shine, making even the wildest stories (like a rom-com first date involving stolen cars and Nutella) feel relatable. Jake’s openness about self-awareness and mental health sets a tone of empathy and humor.

Final Quote:

"I think I should probably be, like, one of those, like, Dear Amy people. Because you're good. I really enjoyed that exercise." — Banks [43:45]

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Great for fans of Banks, aspiring artists, or anyone seeking advice with a blend of humor and sincerity.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Surprise pussies. Today we have on one of my favorite artists. Bang. She has made some of my favorite songs of all time, including Crowded Places which is used in the penultimate episode of Girls. It is one of my favorite needle drops of all time and I get to talk to her about that and she is so lovely. So I'm so excited she got to be on. What you are seeing behind me is decorations for next week's episode. It is my birthday week soon, but if you guys don't know Banks, I'm excited for you guys to get to know her more. She has, she's so talented and has really just such a vast, incredible discography. She's awesome and I'm really glad she was able to come on the show. And yeah, the season is about to end. Next week is the penultimate episode of Therapist We. After this, we have two episodes left of the season and then we're done for this season. So, yeah, I just wanted to say thank you guys for everything, literally everything. Like, you have changed my life. I thought season one was insane and this season was just even like out of a dream. I could never even imagine. I'll give you a more sappy spiel during the season finale where I will get emotional about the end of this season. But just know that in the seasons, in the next season we're going to be bigger and better and I'm really, really excited. To submit Tell me what's wrongs go to passthatpost.com and click tell me what's wrong. Leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Love you, pussies. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to therapuss. Today we have on a dear friend and incredibly talented singer, Banks. Hello. I. The last time I saw you, we got dinner.

[A]

Yeah, we did.

[B]

And you've been doing so much since I last saw you.

[A]

Yeah, I have released, I think my. Yeah. Released an album, toured how was. Yeah, so great. Yeah, did my American tour and then toured, opened for Lana Del Rey.

[B]

How was Lana?

[A]

So good. She's just the best.

[B]

Did you guys like hang out and stuff?

[A]

Yeah, she's the sweetest, coolest, most talented. Did you.

[B]

Have you known her for a while?

[A]

No, that was the first time I.

[B]

Met her and she just reached out and.

[A]

Yeah, she's just. I mean, yeah, it just happened. It was very kind of last minute, within a few weeks, and we were just like, let's do it.

[B]

That's so fun.

[A]

Yeah, it was. It was awesome.

[B]

Oh, my God. I did. Were you able to see the show? You obviously saw the show after.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, it was amazing. She's got the most gorgeous set and, like, it looked like a movie.

[B]

Is she still on tour now? How many dates do you do for her?

[A]

I did three.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I did Glasgow, Dublin and Liverpool.

[B]

I was just saying I went to Seattle. You're telling me you live in Seattle? Yeah, I love it there.

[A]

I do, too.

[B]

Yeah, it's great. Were you born there?

[A]

I grew up in la.

[B]

Right, right, right. Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I moved there, like, two years ago.

[B]

And what'd you move there for?

[A]

My fiance's from there.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[A]

And I just needed. Yeah, I just wanted a little bit of a change. I grew up here and lived here my whole life in la. And then I was gonna move to London and then my career kind of took off and I started touring and so I was kind of like, craving a really familiar place in between tours and. Yeah, so I never ended up moving, but then decided to. You know, I think Seattle is great. It's, like, very calming. It's like, my life is so crazy. It's nice to have a home base that's, like outside of the entertainment business and just very chill.

[B]

Yeah, people there are so lovely, too. When we went for my show, it was like the best crowd. We got really good food in Seattle. We went fishing.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Yeah. Do you like. Do you guys ever go fishing?

[A]

No, but I actually. He drew. My fiance just got me from Fly. No, Fly fishing. Is that where you need, like, the. Yeah, I think fly fishing. He got me gear, he wants to take me.

[B]

So what is fly fishing?

[A]

I think it's like where you fish, but you, like, stand in the water with this. What are they called? Do you know what I'm talking about?

[B]

Kind of this. Your fiance fish?

[A]

I mean, he has. He's like a fisherman.

[B]

Right, but that's a Seattle thing.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's like, surrounded by water.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, people are on boats all the time. They're fishing all the time, they're hiking all the time. Lots of nature.

[B]

Do you like hiking?

[A]

Yeah, love it. Love it to you?

[B]

No, I hate hiking.

[A]

You do?

[B]

Yeah. I think it's so boring.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I can't get involved and Then I'm like, sweaty and it's hot out.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Well, you like doing yoga and stuff, right?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

Yeah, cool. So when. You know what song of yours I was listening to the other day? My favorite. Crowded Places. Yeah, I love that song.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Did Lena reach out to you directly to use that in Girls or.

[A]

Yeah, she did. And it was like, I'm. Girls is like all time favorite.

[B]

Yeah, same.

[A]

You know, it's just so iconic and the show is just. I could. It never gets old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It ages so well. Such an honor to have a song in the finale of the entire show. So. Yeah. Was unreal.

[B]

Yeah. Such a good song.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you.

[B]

Love that song. Or how are. How is the wedding planning coming along?

[A]

It's good. Wedding planning is good. It's very chill. It's a very small wedding.

[B]

What does he do again?

[A]

He's a lacrosse player.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

Well, he actually retired. He got a lot of concussions and he had to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Put up the players hat. But now he coaches the Maryland team.

[B]

Oh, that's awesome.

[A]

We got around to planning it, but yeah, it's pretty much just going to be a big fun party.

[B]

I'm so, so excited for you. Where. Where are you going to do it?

[A]

It's in Seattle.

[B]

The best, obviously. How'd you guys meet again?

[A]

This is actually a crazy story. Well, I don't know if this part's crazy, but then when I actually hung out with him for the first time, it's kind of crazy, but he slid in my DMs. He was like, how long are you in Seattle for? And I was like, just in and out, you know, just on tour. And then he was like, oh, bummer. Like, I wanted to take you for a drink. And I was like, what? What? Like, that was the most forward, most confident.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I mean, especially because I just feel like guys are generally intimidated by, you know, a successful woman.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was very intrigued by that. Yeah, you can come backstage and say hi after the show. But yeah, unfortunately, just in and out.

[B]

Was he going to the show?

[A]

Yeah, he was going to the show.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

So he came to the show and then that night I forgot where I was playing, but I told my band. I was like, you guys, this really hot rugby player is coming tomorrow. And they're like, oh, sick. And then when they met him, they're like, he doesn't play rugby. You're an idiot. And I was like, what? I thought he played rugby. Yeah, no, but yeah, he was a sweetheart. And Then we just like kind of kept in touch. And then I went on tour in Europe and then that, you know, kept in touch, but it's hard when you're touring. And then Covid happened and so we like kind of got know to know each other really well over Covid. And then finally when he could come visit me, I had just gotten my Covid shot. And so he picked me up from when I got the shot. And I was like, I don't want to drive. I feel sick. Right, you drive. We were driving. He saw salt, straw, whatever. He was like, I want ice cream. And I was like, let's stop for ice cream. Cool. So parked in the parking lot, he was driving. I thought he had the keys. It's my car. He thought I had the keys.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We go and get ice cream. We're like, he's like, there's actually a video of him on his Instagram, like eating ice cream. And I'm like, it's from this night. And I was like, is it good? And he's like, oh, it's so good. And then two minutes later, we get to the car and he's like, your car's not here.

[B]

What?

[A]

So we call the cops. We have to call my mom to come. She beats my mom. Like on this first date, essentially. I had an Audi and they I guess have like trackers in them. Yeah. So car stolen, got home, crazy night, whatever. Next morning, get a call from the police station. They're like, we found your car. Great. Where is it? They're like, well, it was in a high speed chase.

[B]

What?

[A]

A girl stole it. We had to throw down those spike strip things that like pop all your tires. It was a high speed chase. It's in the junkyard or whatever. Like, here's where you can go get it. But we, we got your car.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

We call an Uber because I don't have a car. Get in the Uber. On the way to the junkyard to pick my car up, Car breaks down on the freeway. The Uber does. So we're on the freeway. So we see these cops driving by. We're like flagging him. Like the cops pull over, we're in this Uber. The car broke down. Can you help us?

[B]

We're.

[A]

My car got stolen. We're going to pick up my car that they found. So we get in the cop car. This is, Isn't this insane?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He drives us off the freeway. We can't just like drive you to your destination like an Uber. Like we're like in the back of the cop car with metal, whatever, up. And we were just. What is happening? So they drop us off right off the freeway. We have to call another Uber. Finally get to the junkyard. We finally, like, go to my car. All the part. The tires are popped. And we open it, and there's an open large jar of Nutella in the. In the.

[B]

In the seat. Driver's seat. Yeah.

[A]

Like, in, like, the cup.

[B]

Cup holder. Yeah.

[A]

And all this, like, matching really cute, light blue suitcases.

[B]

Oh, who is this girl that got tackled?

[A]

She was, like, stealing a car, like, spooning Nutella in her mouth.

[B]

I know she stole your car, but she sounds awesome.

[A]

I know. So we have to call a tow truck to tow us. We get in, like, the car with the tow truck driver, man. We're like, sitting with him in the front while, like, my broken car is, like, behind us. We have to go to this, get all the new tires. And we end up going, throwing out all this girl's luggage and blah, blah. It was the wildest few days ever. And that was like, essentially our first date.

[B]

Honestly, that is the craziest first date story I've ever heard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of like. Oh, we like. It's kind of sweet.

[A]

No, it's the best.

[B]

Yeah. Now you're engaged.

[A]

Now we're engaged.

[B]

How did he propose?

[A]

He took me to a cherry blossom. A bunch of cherry blossoms everywhere. And it was really cute.

[B]

Yeah. Is Seattle house cherry blossoms?

[A]

Yeah. So beautiful.

[B]

How did I not know that? Yeah, I guess I don't know anything about Seattle, really. Except for the fact that I went fishing that once.

[A]

They had a good crowd. And you. They had a good crowd.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, it was really cute. He's. He's a really good person.

[B]

I'm so happy for you. That's amazing. Thanks.

[A]

How's dating for you? I remember at dinner. I remember. And you, you were also talking about wanting to be a pop star.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And how you've not had a boyfriend.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so I was like, we need to write a song about this.

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then that was. I think I saw you during my major weed era. I was. Did I talk about smoking all the time then? That entire time period of my life is a haze tight. Like, I don't know what happened. I don't know when we got. When did we get dinner? How long ago was that?

[A]

It was before my album came out.

[B]

Like two years ago.

[A]

No, it was like a year ago, maybe.

[B]

That doesn't feel right. I think it was a year and a half ago.

[A]

Or two years ago, something like that.

[B]

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. And we went to Pache. I think that was the first time I'd ever been there.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. So good.

[A]

You're so cute.

[B]

That was so fun. But. Yeah, I wanted to Wait.

[A]

How are there updates with the boyfriend stuff? Yeah. Like, no updates.

[B]

I think I'm not ready for a relationship.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't know when I will be, but.

[A]

But we aren't. Yeah. And that's okay.

[B]

Well, I just think it would be too selfish of me to say that I am. Is what I've learned. Because I cannot. I don't think I can give myself to someone like that.

[A]

Okay. Well, it's good you know that, right?

[B]

Like, important.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't think I can. Or maybe I just haven't found the right person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, I'm so. I'm doing all the time and I'm always trying. Or I haven't been home because of tour.

[A]

Yeah. How's tour?

[B]

It was cool. Did you. Do you have a bus when you tour?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I love. I loved. I loved meeting people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That was my favorite part of the whole tour was meeting everyone because they. They can tell when I, like, am not feeling too good. And like, some. I don't know, sometimes I was just like. It was hard, like living out of a suitcase. I don't like living out of a suitcase. Yeah.

[A]

Well, when I first started touring, I was like, how do people do this? It's so overwhelming and like, I'm such a creature of routine.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I got very. It's just. Yeah. It's a lot. It's exhausting. It's so hard on your body.

[B]

It's so hard on your body. My body was, like, tired.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like a different type of fatigue, too. It's not just like. It's a different type of fatigue because.

[B]

You have to give 110%.

[A]

Yeah. And it's just. You don't really. I mean, I don't know, like, if you were just touring in the U.S. or whatever. But it's in the U.S. yeah. But when you're touring, like all over the place. Like, you don't have a time zone. And it's just the schedule is gnarly and. Yeah. It's like the adrenaline is up and down. It fucks your adrenal glands, adrenals up and all that. So it's a lot. But I think once you get used to it now, I mean, I've been doing it for so long that I'VE got, you know, like, a nice flow to it, and I have a. You know, it takes a while to get the right team around you. That's really important. The right energies around you. And so, yeah, now I love it. And it feels kind of like adult summer camp, but.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I totally get. You like it. I love it. Do you tour?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How long have you been touring for?

[A]

I think my first Tour was in 2014 or 2013. It was opening for the weekend.

[B]

Oh, wow. What was that like?

[A]

Amazing. Yeah.

[B]

Would it stress you out to be at the venue before?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, it used to a lot. Yeah, very much so. Like, I used to just feel anxious and needed not to be there during the day.

[B]

Yeah, I got it.

[A]

I mean, sound check, of course. But yeah, I liked to.

[B]

I.

[A]

And then I got kind of too comfortable doing that. And then I would show up, like, right before my show, and then my team was like, you can't do that. Like, you have to, like, be professional and, like, warm up and.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I. This is really bad. You need to warm up your vocals, etc. That's what you should be doing. But sometimes I just use the first few songs to warm up, but it works for me, like, some people. But any singing coach watching this is gonna kill me. But I don't usually start my sets with, like, the big belters. It's usually like the kind of low growls and then it, like, builds.

[B]

And so anyways, yeah, we also have, like, anxiety. So, like, the later you can be there, the better.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Yeah. I became that way towards the end. I used to spend the entire day at the venue, and then I was like, I think I just want to sleep in my room because I can't sleep at the venue because there's so many moving parts.

[A]

Yeah, totally. It's definitely. And also, it's just. Just, you don't know what. It depends what venue you're playing. But some of the backstages are not right. Quite like, where you'd want to be hanging out, and some are. So, yeah, it really depends. But, yeah, it's. The more of a routine you can establish on the road and the better, you know, the people around you really matter.

[B]

Right. It's. That's everything.

[A]

How many people do you tour with?

[B]

Matt, my tour manager, Louise, my manager, Manny, Meg, and then the merch guy, Dan.

[A]

Okay. So it's like a small crew.

[B]

Small crew. And we're all in the same bus.

[A]

Yeah. Cool. That's.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I've never toured with, like, that small of a crew.

[B]

Oh, no, that's. Well, because I don't have a band.

[A]

No, of course. Yeah. That must be like. That's.

[B]

It's. Yeah, we, like, have fun. We went.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Fishing together and.

[A]

Yeah, we. Did you catch any fish?

[B]

I caught a huge one.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

A huge one. They all watched Hunger Games and Twilight.

[A]

Love that.

[B]

I just, I had to resort to my room at that point, but I love those movies.

[A]

But, yes.

[B]

Sometime when I was off stage, I was like, I have to just go to bed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Would you have a favorite venue you've ever played?

[A]

Playing Radio City in New York was pretty legendary for me. Like, that just felt like a moment right. In my career. Well, I, Because I. Well, first I opened for the weekend there and I was like, wow. Like, if I could ever play here, it would be, you know, and then when I, you know, headline there, it was incredible. And then. Favorite venue. I don't know it really. For me, it's like. I mean, Roundhouse in London is so iconic. I've played there a few times and I, I love that venue. It's really beautiful. It just depends, really depends if you're, like, in an intimate mood sometimes. I, I, I. To promote this album, I did, like, a few acoustic shows, and they were pretty small and just like, beautiful and connected and so that was really fun. And then playing, you know, the big festival stages is amazing. So it kind of depends, right, just what, like, mood you're in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You just released your latest album.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And are you, like, how soon between albums do you start on the next one? Are you just, like, taking it off now?

[A]

It depends when I need to write.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not, like, I only write when I need to write. I don't. I'm not a machine that can just.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, there's a lot of writers that are just like, give me concept and let's go for. It needs to come from. When I write, it's not like a mental thing. It just needs to, like. Feels like I'm a medium almost, and I don't even.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know what I'm writing about till it's happening, kind of.

[B]

So how long have you been writing for? Like, since you were a kid.

[A]

Fifteen. So, yeah. A long time. It's. It definitely started more of, like, a therapeutic thing.

[B]

Yeah. Like, just to get it out. And then it became.

[A]

Yeah. And then it just, it became. I was more writing, like, stream of consciousness type stuff. And then it turned and then I, you know, started playing with chords and putting some of My sentences to melodies and it kind of just naturally happened. And then once I, like, really discovered it, it was just. Oh, my God, just the best feeling.

[B]

Do you remember the moment you, like, discovered, like, really felt like you had discovered it?

[A]

Yeah, I do. I was in the house that I grew up in. We had set my keyboard up, like, right outside my room in this little, like, hallway area. And I just. Yeah, just when I discovered it, those few months were like a blur. I just. That's all I wanted to do. And, yeah, I was like, I found my best friend or something.

[B]

Oh, that's so awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then what was the moment where you felt like, okay, I am doing this and now this is my career.

[A]

I mean, I went to school for psychology, so I didn't necessarily. But it's funny because in the dorm, I went to usc. You went to USC too?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The dorm that I lived at had, like, a soundproof room with a piano in it.

[B]

Which storm did you live in? I was in New North.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's like, right next.

[B]

Yeah, right now. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But it had. I don't know if it still does, but it had a soundproof room with a grand piano in it, so it was insane. So, like, in between classes, if I had a break in my schedule, I would just, like, go in there and write. And yeah, eventually my songs got into somebody's hands that showed somebody else and blah, blah, blah, blah just happened.

[B]

And then. Did you. You graduated USC though, right?

[A]

Yeah, but not before having some jobs that were not very fun.

[B]

What were your jobs?

[A]

Well, one fun job was working at La Labo, where I.

[B]

Like, that sounds awesome. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Eventually Zane Low in, who was at this point working for Radio 1 in the UK, heard my music and. And played a song called Before I ever met YouTube on the radio. And that's kind of how everything started. And yeah, it was just. I had been writing for so long on my own, so it's not like it happened out of nowhere. Like, I'd been writing for, like, 10 years already.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But being in front of people, I didn't even have any social media or anything at that point.

[B]

How did. How was music shared back then on, like, MySpace and stuff? And Facebook?

[A]

SoundCloud.

[B]

SoundCloud?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you upload stuff to SoundCloud or.

[A]

No, no, I met somebody who ended up being my first manager, but he, like, helped me put it on SoundCloud and stuff. And yeah, it was just. Yeah, it was really cool. Incredible. It's still surreal to me just how much you Know, seeing people sing my lyrics and how much, you know, it resonates with people. And in the airport on the way here, this girl was like, oh, my God, thanks. Like, I have a tattoo of you. And she had like.

[B]

That's so cool.

[A]

Yeah. Tattoos, some lyrics and stuff. So, yeah, it's really cool.

[B]

Oh, my God, that's awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On a separate note, what are you therapist about today?

[A]

Oh, therapist. You go first.

[B]

What am I therapist about? My under eye bags are just not it today.

[A]

I think they're looking.

[B]

They're fabulous. And I saw a photo of me the other day, and I was like, damn. And I think I want to get stuff injected below them.

[A]

Go for it.

[B]

I think I want to do it, but I've heard that maybe you can go blind if you do that.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So I don't.

[A]

Somebody that I just worked with said that they got salmon sperm injected under their eyes.

[B]

I also just recently heard that from someone I see.

[A]

Yeah, maybe a few. Maybe we should both go do that.

[B]

I know. Well, did you see the photo of them after they got their salmon sperm injected?

[A]

No. They came to the studio right from when they did it, and they didn't.

[B]

Have, like, bumps all over their face?

[A]

No. They were like, oh, my God, sorry, I just got salmon sperm in my face. And I was like, no, no.

[B]

I saw somebody with, like, bumps all over their face when they got it done.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah, it was pretty crazy. Yeah. What does that do? Does anyone know?

[A]

I mean, the doctors do and the people who get. I'm sure it makes.

[B]

They say it works.

[A]

It probably fixes the problem. Your therapist about my under eye bags?

[B]

I need them gone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And are you. You have. No. Do you have anything your therapist about?

[A]

I mean, tomorrow I have a session and who I'm working with has to leave early. And, like, I wish he didn't.

[B]

Everything's acceptable.

[A]

Yeah, that's acceptable. Okay, cool. That's what I'll be therapist about.

[B]

I'm also therapist because my show is ending that I'm watching. Have you ever seen Mr. Robot?

[A]

No. Is it good?

[B]

It's unbelievable.

[A]

Wait, do you know what I'm re watching right now? That I actually. I'm saying re watching, but I only ever saw, I think, one season of it, Vampire Diaries.

[B]

Oh, that's my roommate's favorite show in the entire world.

[A]

I'm. I'm on season two. Like the end of season two.

[B]

Oh, season three.

[A]

So good.

[B]

Yeah, it's so good. It's. Vampire Dice is the best show ever.

[A]

Truly.

[B]

Yeah. Are You. Was it on Netflix or HBO now?

[A]

Hbo.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Used to be on Netflix, but I've downloaded, like, all of them for the planes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Etc. Like, it's so good.

[B]

You have so much.

[A]

I know. I feel so. I love. I love finding new shows that.

[B]

And it's a long one, too. And that seasons are like 20 episodes. My show's about to end and I'm, like, depressed about it.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

But I'm like, weirdly, like, excited to see the end of it, but I don't know who I'm going to be when it's done. Like, I'm sad, serious. Like, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm like, kind of tweaking out about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it's been my entire life. I was literally just watching it right before this.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I just finished season three.

[A]

So it's three seasons.

[B]

Yeah. What type of TV does you and your fiance usually watch? Like thriller stuff?

[A]

No, I hate being scared.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Well, I have a bad habit where, like, I'll see the synopsis or like a trailer of a horror film and I'm so intrigued at what happens. So I have to read the Wikipedia, whole plot.

[B]

I got that done.

[A]

I'm just like, I need to know what happens. Does she die? I need to find everything out. And then I'm like, I know what happens.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't need to see it.

[B]

I've done that.

[A]

So I do that with scary movies.

[B]

What does your fiance watch? Like, what does he like to watch?

[A]

We just watched the Gentleman, actually. We watched that on the tour Busour and we watched that. It was so good. Guy Ritchie directed it.

[B]

Yeah. It's about, like. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So good. Is it?

[B]

It's a movie.

[A]

Yeah, it's a movie.

[B]

I'm not a movie guy these days. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I need to get back into them.

[A]

Watch that movie.

[B]

I'll watch the Gentleman.

[A]

It was good. What else? Yeah. I don't know. I feel like the problem with movies is it if you're going to actually take people's attention away from their phones, it needs to be really, really good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's hard.

[A]

The Gentleman was good. We put our phones down.

[B]

I have a very hard time putting my phone away, but I have to for Mr. Robot.

[A]

But I just went to dinner with my manager and a few other people and they. He taught me a really good game, which is everyone put their phone in the middle of the table, and whoever picks them has to pay. Yeah. I've never done that. Nobody touched their phone.

[B]

We. We do that, but, like, we never. We never abide by it, really. Like, we'll pick it up and just be like, well, we have to.

[A]

And then does that person actually pay or.

[B]

No, no, of course not. And then we just all go back on our phones.

[A]

Oh, well, that's. That game is not for you then.

[B]

No, I know.

[A]

You have to respect the rules.

[B]

I know. And we can't. Oh, my God, I'm so addicted to my phone. Yeah, I still am. I, like, I feel like I live my life on my phone.

[A]

Really?

[B]

My entire life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's all, I think.

[A]

Well, your whole, you know, everything, like, kind of started.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Through tick tock.

[B]

Yeah, I'm definitely way more addicted to my phone than I used to be because of it. Yeah, like, way, way, way more. But do you want to get into the. Tell me what's wrongs. My favorite part.

[A]

Yeah. What? Okay, let's go. So people write in.

[B]

Yes. And then we just give them advice.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I had a sex dream about my friend's dad, and I haven't been able to make eye contact with her since. And I need help and a lobotomy.

[A]

Interesting. So do we answer it?

[B]

I think I've had dreams like that. Not about my friends, dads, but like, about people that I'm like, oh, my God, I can't believe I just had a dream about them. And you kind of just have to swallow it.

[A]

You have to swallow it and pretend. I'm not sure. She should tell her friend that. No, maybe that's the answer. Don't tell your friend. Just keep moving on. Like it never happened.

[B]

But, like, maybe it. Maybe there is some attraction there.

[A]

Probably.

[B]

Right? Like, I feel like I've had dreams like that about people that I'm like, what? I am so uncomfortable that I've just had this dream about this person, but I literally can't control it.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I think that girl should just not tell her friend. Keep it moving. If it keeps happening, make a move. No, I'm kidding.

[B]

Like, stop hanging out with the friend. I guess it's not the friend's fault.

[A]

No, it's not the friend's fault.

[B]

My controlling ex once screamed at me at a festival in front of my friends. We recently broke up and now he's posting screenshots of my text on Instagram saying I was plotting on him, even though I was just asking friends for advice.

[A]

That's disgusting. Anybody who would do that is. Looks way worse than the person they're posting about. That's.

[B]

Do you think so? Because I agree.

[A]

100. Are you crazy? Of course.

[B]

But, like, people online don't share that same sentiment. They're just, like, willing to jump on, like, a tirade.

[A]

Well, those people are insane. Those people are crazy.

[B]

That's a crazy thing to do.

[A]

You can't. First of all, people online, like, you can't. You can't. This is something I'm still working on, and I'm sure every single person in the public eye, but you cannot live your life by, like, random people online that you don't know who they are, obviously. But, yes, I think that that's psychotic.

[B]

It's, like, so there's no privacy anymore.

[A]

Yeah. Well, if you can't trust a person, like, that person's obviously not a good person.

[B]

I feel like maybe we're coming around to the consensus that it is really uncool to do that.

[A]

Yeah, that's consensus. Did anyone ever think that was okay? Did I miss something?

[B]

Like, people would, like, post screenshots, and then everyone would be like, ooh, they suck. They suck. They suck of, like, a private conversation always. Am I wrong, Louise? Like, people.

[A]

What did I. How did I not?

[B]

Like, there is, like, no. In the younger generations, there is little to no privacy.

[A]

Yeah, I'm. I'm not. Yeah.

[B]

Have you ever had something like that happening where someone's, like, I'm gonna, like, screenshot our text and. Or just.

[A]

I'm sure I can't really think of it right now, but probably.

[B]

Can you go to the cops for that?

[A]

I think that should be illegal.

[B]

You can't. Right? Right. So you can just, like, have solace in the fact that he's a bad person. I don't really know.

[A]

Internet's crazy, though. I've had people, like, come to my house because they see something in one picture that's, like, next to a street that they know, and then they find, like. Like, something in someone's backyard that looks similar to the thing that was across. Like, it's. You can't. It's very crazy.

[B]

It's the wild, wild west.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My sister just decided she wants to apply early to uva. Oh, my God. Love that. For her, it's been my dream school since I was five. Oh. If she gets in, it lowers my chances. Is it bad that I hope she doesn't know?

[A]

That's not true. That's not true.

[B]

Twins. I'm confused. Why would lower her chances?

[A]

It doesn't lower your chances if you have family that goes somewhere, it makes your chances greater. Because I think they like that.

[B]

I think I'm going to. I think they're twins, maybe.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because. Because that's the only way that this comment would make sense. Like, Because I used to think that if other people in my grade were applying to usc, I'd be like, oh, well, like that's going to lower my chances.

[A]

But twins is different than just other people.

[B]

I think they're in the same grade.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think.

[A]

Read it one more time.

[B]

My sister just decided she wants to apply early to uva. It's been my dream school since I was five. If she gets in, it lowers my chances. Is it bad that I kind of hope she doesn't? Okay, so do you see what I mean? Like, they're like twins.

[A]

I think they're identical twins.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I think that this was like the only thing that she had always wanted to do. Separate from her. And then all of a sudden, her identical twin wants to do the one thing that she thought was just for her.

[B]

Right. If they are twins, I understand her frustration.

[A]

I understand.

[B]

Also, I'd be so mad. I'm curious.

[A]

Control how you feel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, just because you have those feelings, you can't like, judge your own feelings. Just accept it. Maybe don't tell her, like, I hope you don't get in. Maybe work through those feelings somehow. But it's okay.

[B]

Yeah. That is good advice. My so called best friend has drained my energy for over a year. My family thinks she's toxic, but my two other best friends are close with her and we're always together. Should I cut it off? I mean, if you know, you know.

[A]

You know, you know.

[B]

Yeah, like if you know, you know.

[A]

She'S gonna have to be around this person through her other friends all the time.

[B]

So maybe those other friends are also slightly toxic.

[A]

Maybe you need to get some.

[B]

Maybe you just need to just reset.

[A]

We're like giving them. We're like, lose all your friends.

[B]

But like, right. Like if she knows she's toxic, what Wouldn't you say that the other people that also hang out. No, I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, because it sounds like a toxic dynamic.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Like it feels like if you know someone's toxic and the other friends are like, no, she's not toxic, but you, like, you're not crazy and that you know they're toxic, then maybe those people are a little like, enabling or whatever.

[B]

Right. And like something about it is just giving, like, not it for her. And like, maybe she should take a break. And, like, focus on creative endeavors that make her happy. Like, that's what I think she should do.

[A]

Yeah. She should go meet the identical twin who needs a friend to talk to about uva. Yeah.

[B]

An early decision.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I talked to an AI bot for fun, but eventually it started to feel like an actual conversation and, like, low key. I'm crushing. What do I.

[A]

Honestly, Same.

[B]

Are you serious?

[A]

No, but my friend and I actually, she's here, my best friend, she. Every time she goes through something, she's like, I'm gonna ask my therapist AI, like.

[B]

Oh, yeah, they call it. My friends call it Chatterby.

[A]

Yeah. So chat therapy, I think a lot. Wait, so sorry.

[B]

She said she's, like, having, like, legitimate, like, human feelings for this AI bot.

[A]

Oh, human feelings for it.

[B]

Like, like feeling for the bot.

[A]

Like, loves it.

[B]

I don't know. But, like, it gives me a. Freaks me out.

[A]

Yeah. It's terrifying.

[B]

The only AI I I like is when it summarizes your text on your phone. And it can be really funny sometimes. Have you ever seen that?

[A]

No.

[B]

In a group chat, if you miss, like, 20 texts, it'll be like, louise, failed test, needs to go shopping, colon upset. And like, that's like. That's like my favorite type of AI. Yeah, that's good. But everything else, I don't use chat. It bugs me out. I want to like it.

[A]

No, I. It's. Yeah. Especially as, like, a creative, like, taking humans out of art.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The exact opposite of what art is. It actually makes me so mad and like, a lot of people who. Yeah. I don't know. Sometimes I don't know how far to go or, like, what to say in these types of things because I don't want to, like, say anything that offends the bot. That. No, yeah, yeah. It's like, you want to, like, in case there's ever. Oh, no, that's not actually.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

No, yeah. In general. Yeah. I think it's. It's really. I understand that people are like, no, you could use it to help your creativity and blah, blah, blah, blah. But, like, at a certain point, art is literally to express what you need to express.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's what the best art is. It comes from a, like, a necessity to get something out. That's like the antithesis of art is like having a robot just make something for you. Like, so I don't know. That's.

[B]

Yeah, I agree, I agree. But yeah, if I would stop using the chat AI.

[A]

This is really fun, this game.

[B]

It's fun. Right?

[A]

Let's keep Going.

[B]

Okay. I just got a gym membership and I have a workout plan. I'm super excited to start, but I've never had to go to a new gym alone. And I'm scared. I went today and was too intimidated by the giant men because I know my form. I know my form isn't the best. Oh. Oh, my God. I feel that sometimes.

[A]

I think everybody thinks that everyone at the gym is just like these experts of bodybuilders and good for those people that are. But right, go to the gym girl or guy or whoever, you know, just wrote that. But do you.

[B]

I agree. I think you just need to put in your headphones and drown it out.

[A]

Yeah, Nobody really knows what they're doing on those machines.

[B]

What?

[A]

Nobody really knows what they're doing on these machines.

[B]

I.

[A]

They just kind of like figure out. They're like, oh, like, they go this way. I'm gonna push this way.

[B]

Oh, they go this way, I'm gonna push this way. Also, like, I feel like no one, everyone at the gym thinks everyone's looking at them. And that is not true. Unless you are a gay man. That is the truth.

[A]

Do you feel like that?

[B]

Well, I went to Equinox in West Hollywood for the first and last time.

[A]

I used to. I, I've just. From growing up in la, I've lived like in pretty much right, every different area. And I at one point lived in West Hollywood and belonged to that gym as well. And it's quite a scene.

[B]

Yeah, it's a scene.

[A]

And do you still belong there?

[B]

No, no, no, I do not. I haven't been. I haven't been there in like three years. I think I used to go. And we would call it biking and we would sit on the stationary bikes and just move our feet and talk for an hour.

[A]

We would bike.

[B]

We would call it. We would call it biking. We'd just go like this for an hour. And I wonder why I gained like literally 20 pounds that year. I'm starting to worry that my long term boyfriend is losing interest in me because of the space between us. What can I do to keep the fire lit?

[A]

Oh, I need to know more about this because why is there space? Are you in the same. Are you in a different city? Different country?

[B]

Let's say different city.

[A]

Okay, different city. I think start getting a little freaky on the phone. Definitely have some movie nights where you press play at the exact same time and you like sit on FaceTime.

[B]

Netflix party.

[A]

Yeah. What is it?

[B]

Oh, my God. It was like my Covid Kryptonite. You would go to. Did you ever. Louise, you go to Netflix. You send the link to your friends and it starts together and you chat.

[A]

Oh, that's cute. You know what?

[B]

I'm gonna do that with the guy I'm talking to.

[A]

That's cute. Yeah, I've just. From touring so much. I have a lot of advice and ideas with this stuff because it is hard. Read this. Start a new book that you haven't read and read it. And, like, I mean, that sounds, like, kind of cheesy, but it's kind of cute and fun.

[B]

It's that. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

There's, like, a lot of things you can do, especially with, like, FaceTime and stuff, right? A lot of slutty. No, I'm kidding.

[B]

No, but, like. Yeah, I just get. Yeah, I. I feel. I feel bad. You did. You have gotten long distance with this guy, with your fiance.

[A]

Yeah, but I've also done long distance with other people as well. Like, it's.

[B]

Is it one of the hardest things ever?

[A]

I mean, it's. It depends. Like, the people I was dating who were long distance were also musicians. So, like, we were. We were all. We would both be touring and we'd figure it out. You know, it just. It really depends how much you like the person. Like, if. If. If you really like someone, you can make it work.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's why whenever people are like, oh, we live in different cities, I'm like, I dated someone that was in Australia when I was in la. Like, I think you could.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because how far ahead is Australia?

[A]

Like a day and a half or something.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My roommate says slay after every sentence, including when I told her my grandpa died.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

No, I feel like. I feel like that's annoying. Slay, though. Like, slay.

[A]

If somebody dies.

[B]

Like, there is an overuse of it. And I think this is.

[A]

That person sounds annoying.

[B]

That person sounds annoying in general. Yeah.

[A]

They need to just like. Like, their personality sucks.

[B]

Right? Like, after my grandma. That is funny. My grandpa died. Slay. That's funny. Like, that is a funny use of slay, I think. Like, I once read it. Tell me what's wrong. And this girl said this. Her roommate hooked up with the guy she had a crush on and knew she had a crush on him, came back and said tea and went to bed. And that, to this day, is my favorite. Tell me, tell me what's wrong I've ever gotten. Yeah. Slay. I'm in love with my. This is the last one I'm in.

[A]

Love with my last one.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So fun. I want to do this all I know.

[B]

These are good. This is a good batch. These are great. I think I'm in love with my friend, but she just asked me to be her maid of honor.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So you need to get a grip. Respectfully. Yeah, she's getting married.

[A]

No, get a grip.

[B]

Yeah, she's getting married.

[A]

Get a grip. Maid of honor. If it's gonna make you be, like, weird and, like, passive aggressive and make her wedding awkward, just don't be selfish. Politely, politely, politely decline.

[B]

This must be, like, her best friend, though. Wait, did it say no, but like, a maid of honor?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's just that friend.

[A]

But I would assume that's been her sister.

[B]

But it's not. It's not the sister.

[A]

Okay, well, I think either put your feelings aside, because it's not gonna happen. She's getting married.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Or if you're. If you can't do that and you're gonna, like, be weird and annoying and passive and Unless you're gonna pull, like, one of those rom coms. And that's why I was just thinking.

[B]

But those are so unrealistic. But your day with the car impounded sounded like a rom com. Rom com?

[A]

Yeah, it was a rom com.

[B]

Or the car stolen. Sorry.

[A]

What do you just thought of? How cute he looked with his little ice cream.

[B]

Oh, that is really sweet. How long have you guys been engaged for? Two years.

[A]

Like a year and some change.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love that. And some change. Yeah, I'm gonna start saying that. What are you listening to right now? I know what you're watching. You're watching Vampire Diaries.

[A]

What are you listening to? Okay. Okay. Lou.

[B]

Who's that?

[A]

Incredible. She's French, based in Paris.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

She's amazing, Ray. Obviously. Crown Bin amazing. I don't know if that's how you pronounce it. It's spelled crung bin that Love Marabou State. It was just, like, a production duo from the UK that I love. Do you know them? Sick.

[B]

I'm so excited. I feel like I'm finding out so.

[A]

Much new music and then, like, Brandy. That's how. How I said I never warm up. I actually, this last tour, warmed up singing to Brandy.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. I love Brandy. Who else? Emojen Heap, Always one of the faves.

[B]

Oh, yeah. She's everything. Yeah, she did the original. Good night and go. Right? Yeah. That's so cool.

[A]

Claro. I love.

[B]

I love Clara. She was in the Japanese house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Louise was like, you Would love Japanese house, and I've never gotten into them, you know, I never got into Fiona Apple either. I know. Is she that good?

[A]

Okay. Fiona Apple is, like, for me, that one artist when I was younger that, like, who really, really was the one for me. Like, I think that's like Taylor Swift for you. Yeah, yeah, that's Fiona for me.

[B]

What. What type of. Of music?

[A]

She's just raw and real and, like, divinely femininely wild. She's like a wild woman and just, like, real and raw and just crazy piano chords and beautiful melodies and lyrics so intricate and just.

[B]

What's your favorite album by her?

[A]

I truly can't choose.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Does she. She. Have you ever met her?

[A]

I don't want to meet her.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I mean, Fiona, I would love to meet you, but I don't know. I just. She. Okay. I would love to meet her, but, you know, when people, like, represent something in your life, it's like sometimes when I meet people who maybe feel that way that I feel about her, about me, I'm like, it almost feels like.

[B]

Oh, I hope I, like, lived up to it.

[A]

Live up to that. But it's not even about that. It's not about living up to it. It's just. I just appreciate her as a human.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know? So, yeah, I would love to meet her, but no, I've not met her.

[B]

Have you seen her live?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is she awesome? Live?

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

I think I'm gonna really try to get into her.

[A]

Yeah, you should.

[B]

I know it sounds.

[A]

I have people listen to Never is a Promise. I love that song.

[B]

Is that newer or.

[A]

It's old.

[B]

What was the song that, like, took her off?

[A]

Criminal.

[B]

Criminal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was in 90 something.

[A]

Yeah. A long time ago.

[B]

I need to listen to her. Yeah, I need to, um. Well, Banks, what did we learn? I forget, do I call you Jillian or Banks?

[A]

Whatever you like.

[B]

I think it's Jillian.

[A]

Yeah. Call me.

[B]

No. Is it Banks? Why would I tell you that? What is it? What do you prefer?

[A]

I truly. I mean, I have half people call me Banks, half people call me Jillian. Like, it's. It's truly like, what you call. You prefer Jillian. Call me Jillian.

[B]

Jillian, what did we learn today?

[A]

I learned that I should probably be like, one of those, like, Dear Amy people. Because you're good. I really enjoyed that exercise. What else? That's all.

[B]

I learned more about Fiona Apple.

[A]

Yeah, good.

[B]

I'm excited to. And I learned about how you enjoy touring and your first date with your fiance. That was out of a rom com.

[A]

Love that.

[B]

Well, I love you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thank you for coming on the show.

[A]

Yeah. Thanks for having me.

[B]

You want to give a little Bye.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

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