Session 108: Nick Jonas

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane

Session 108: Nick Jonas
Release Date: March 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

This high-energy and deeply personal episode features musician and actor Nick Jonas in conversation with host Jake Shane (“Theresa”—his comedic alter ego). They cover Nick’s new solo album Sunday Best, his multifaceted career, creative processes, mental health, nostalgia from Disney days, and dive into therapy-style discussions with real listener letters. The tone is intimate, playful, and candid—balancing career talk, confessions, and rapport that reveals new sides of both Jake and Nick.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Friendship, Broadway, and Beginnings

• How They Met: Nick was the first celebrity to interact with Jake’s content on social media, starting a meaningful friendship (07:12).
• Mutual Support: They traded compliments about supporting each other’s careers, Nick expressing how he enjoys seeing genuine people succeed (07:28).

2. Life, Home, and Everyday Routines

• Bicoastal Moves: Nick talks about recently moving between New York and LA depending on work and family (08:13).
• Sleep Preferences: Both love sleeping cold—Nick says, “If I can get away with it… I’d sleep at 62 [degrees]” (08:54).
• Favorite Shows & Media: Discussion of recent watches (The Pit, Designated Survivor, Quantico) and media overlap with their connections (09:55).

3. Shared Networks and Stylist Talk

• Interconnected Circles: “We’re basically… kind of have the same team almost,” Nick observes. They share stylist Sydney Lopez (11:08).

4. Anxiety, Career Pressure, Mental Health

• Managing Anxiety: Nick discusses his struggles with anxiety in the public eye, referencing a stressful Golden Globes experience:

  “It was a hot day... I was in a tuxedo with… cameras in your face… you’re trying to act normal… and I was literally burning up.” (12:49)

• Vocal Strain & Touring: Nick claims he gets more tired “vocally from talking than singing” and has to moderate talking to keep his singing voice healthy (11:49).

5. Disney Years: Reflection & Pride

• Disney Takeoff: The Jonas Brothers’ turning point was the “Year 3000” music video on Disney Channel and hitting the “Disney Faucet” that drove their success (17:15).
• Disney Channel Games:

  “It was like high school or summer camp… but there was no inappropriate things… It was very fun… I was homeschooled… this let us tap into high school culture.” (19:08)

• Social Media & Public Scrutiny: Nick reflects on the pressure of being pastor’s kids, added Disney expectations, and rising social media scrutiny, especially as everyone becomes “a journalist or detective” on social media (22:11).
• Performance Pride: Now in his 30s, Nick says he feels pride about the movies and shows they made with Disney (17:42).

6. Music, Touring, and Creative Process

• Solo Work:
  • Sunday Best is described as both a 2.5-year and “33 years in the making”—his most personal work yet, focused on “just saying the most real thing” (25:41).
  • Takes pride in being intentional each time he enters the studio:

    “Every second of the process starts with the intention…” (25:51).

• Collaboration:
  • JP Saxe is a major creative anchor for the album, with contributions from Paris Carney, Brian Daly, Blush, and others (41:51).
• Touring: Nick’s planning intimate shows, sharing stories and context for new songs, and hopes for a larger tour (24:41).
• Notable Song: Discusses the origin and meaning behind “Gut Punch”—about self-doubt, personal growth, and feeling misunderstood (43:40).

7. Humor, Self-Deprecation, and Defense Mechanisms

• Jake’s Comedy: He explains using humor as a defense:

  “…getting to the joke first before anyone else can because I’m so scared of someone making fun of me” (29:23).

• Nick’s Take: Recognizes Jake’s intelligence and “smart construction” of bits (30:33).

8. Listener Letters: Advice & Therapy

• They address audience letters (“Tell Me What’s Wrong”) about PDA limits, toxic work friendships, roommate quirks, family embarrassment, sibling issues, and more:
  • PDA Letter:
    • Jake: “Time to break up.”
    • Nick: “It’s about the conversation with them… but it probably leads to a breakup.” (77:06–78:14)
  • Workplace Drama: Caution against revenge, suggest HR or conversation (79:28–80:25).
  • White Lies & Friendships: Both land on honesty—even if sometimes it's hard:

    Nick: “It should be totally acceptable to be like, I like you. You’re my friend. I don’t want to hang out tonight.” (85:20)

9. Food, Snacks, and Travel

• Culinary Loves:
  • Both love Thai food, Indian, Italian, Japanese—Nick shouts out specific favorite dishes and local spots (56:00–57:46).
  • Enjoys backstage Jonas Brothers popcorn (67:47) and talks snack debates (sun chips, veggie sticks, etc.).
• Travel Stories:
  • Nick shares his worst travel day, involving a coffee spill in white pants and crying on a turbulent plane (64:22).
  • Scariest flight was near disaster with Glenn Powell, due to a double power failure on a plane (66:33).

10. Personal Life & Relationships

• Meeting Priyanka Chopra:
  • Shares the story: saw her Quantico poster, got introduced via mutual friends, DMed on Twitter, and became friends before dating (72:33).
  • Memorable first date at Hollywood Bowl with both friends and family (73:36).
  • “We French-kissed that night.” (74:53)

11. Media, Pop Culture, and Nostalgia

• Nick’s favorite artist: Stevie Wonder; Jake’s: Taylor Swift (53:28).
• Favorite film: Good Will Hunting. Notable quote:

  “I had to go see about a girl.” (93:00)

• Covers, live performances, and insights into classic Jonas Brothers songs (Love Bug, Year 3000) and career milestones.

12. Camp Rock 3 & Looking to the Future

• New Camp Rock: Details the plot of the upcoming Camp Rock 3, passing the torch to a new generation (60:53).
• Reflects on what the original movies meant, both to fans and to the Jonas Brothers.

13. Broadway & Life Advice

• Jake’s Broadway Debut: Nick’s advice: “Actually take some time to enjoy it… it’s a pretty magical thing.” (86:56)
• On Vulnerability & Relationships:

  “You only live once… it is a scary thing to open up…” (92:29)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Anxiety and Public Pressure

  “I find that I get more tired vocally from talking over singing… I get like, if I overextend talking, I can’t sing— but I can sing all the time.”
  —Nick Jonas (11:49)

• On Disney Stardom:

  “At this stage in my life and now in my 30s… I have so much pride… I’m really grateful that we got to make movies with them…”
  —Nick Jonas (17:42)

• On Humor as Defense:

  “Anything bad you could say about me, I’ve said to myself ten times within the last hour.”
  —Jake (citing Girls, 29:42)

• On Rejection & Self-Talk:

  “Sometimes you just have to say a thing. It doesn’t mean it’s true. It doesn’t make it true because you’ve said it.”
  —Nick Jonas (46:04)

• On Music and Growth:

  “…every second of the process starts with the intention… For this album, it’s more important to just say the most real thing.”
  —Nick Jonas, on Sunday Best (25:51, 42:54)

• Advice for Single Life:

  “Watch How To Be Single with Dakota Johnson.”
  —Jake (89:34)

• Jake to Nick (on friendship):

  “I learned a lot about you, too. And I kind of want to hang out now.”
  —Jake (95:06)

• Nick’s final advice for Broadway:

  “The only advice I would give you is just to… actually take some time to enjoy it…”
  —Nick Jonas (86:56)

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Friendship roots / Social media beginnings: 07:12
• Music, new album & touring insights: 25:41
• Disney Channel reflections: 17:15–22:42
• Gut Punch meaning: 43:40
• First date with Priyanka: 72:33
• Worst travel/plane disaster: 64:22, 66:33
• Listener Letters (Advice): 76:31–94:28
• Favorite snacks & food debate: 67:47–69:10
• Broadway advice & life reflection: 86:47
• On Camp Rock 3: 60:53

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Tone, Format & Flow

• Authentic & Playful: Banter stays witty and self-aware, with honest vulnerability—touching on mental health, personal doubts, nostalgia, and growth.
• Conversational Style: Jake and Nick weave between jokes, confessions, audience questions, and deep-dive discussions.
• Therapuss Brand: Therapy-adjacent, humorous exchanges, mixed with therapy-speak (“prescribing” movies for letter writers), direct advice, and pop culture.

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Who Should Listen / Key Takeaways

• Essential listening for Jonas Brothers fans, pop culture obsessives, and anyone curious about the transition from Disney stardom to adulthood.
• The episode is rewarding even for newcomers, as it balances showbiz anecdotes with authentic vulnerability, humor, and practical advice.

In summary:
Expect unmatched candor, hilarious stories, music and career wisdom, real talk on anxiety and self-image, and an inside look at friendship, fame, and finding joy through all of it.

Transcript

[Theresa]

Hi. Welcome back to Therapist. Tonight, for our intro, we have Cassidy.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Should we talk about our dark date?

[Theresa]

I am enjoying myself here.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

You just said you had to get back to la.

[Theresa]

Okay, well, I'm enjoying myself here on the.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Well, I'm enjoying having you here.

[Theresa]

Do you want to go home? Jake?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

When Jake leaves me, it becomes really dark. Like, very dark.

[Theresa]

You leave the apartment?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

No. The day after Jake leaves, my whole day is spent in the apartment. It's a really dark place.

[Theresa]

What do you do in the apartment when you're alone?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I rot. I like to rot and marinate in my bed.

[Theresa]

What do you think about?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I don't really have, like, thoughts anymore because my overthinking kind of stopped after I started taking lexifresh, bro.

[Theresa]

You think that's helped you?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I think it's helped me a lot. I actually do.

[Theresa]

Oh, wow. Good for you, Cass.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

My overthinking is, like, really dark. It's a really scary place.

[Theresa]

Like, give me an example.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

What do you mean? Like, I can't explain it. I have no thoughts in my head anymore. I already don't have thoughts in my head. But, like, you know what I mean.

[Theresa]

What? Have you talked to your psychiatrist about how much you want to.

[Nick Jonas]

No.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

So I had a few meetings. I was supposed to meet with him, like, last month, and I ghosted him. I'm also ghosting my therapist still right now, but we're gonna. We're gonna back into it soon.

[Theresa]

How is your therapist?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

She's good.

[Theresa]

When's the last time you saw her?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Saw her two weeks ago.

[Theresa]

What'd you guys talk about?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Some trauma. I had a few dark months. I didn't recognize myself in that era.

[Theresa]

A few different hair colors.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Jake just admitted to me that when I dyed my hair brunette, it was

[Theresa]

really bad, but in the moment, I didn't think.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

So you told me it was.

[Theresa]

What?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Thank you. The brunette era was a moment. Give me that. Yeah, yeah, but, like, now you're saying you hated it.

[Theresa]

Like, pictures and laughs. It was blonde and then it was pink.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I'm going back pink in two weeks.

[Theresa]

I liked the pink.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

The pink is everything. What else?

[Theresa]

So this is on Netflix.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Oh, my God. Okay, so we need to. We need to talk about more normal things.

[Theresa]

Okay. What's something that you did this weekend that brought you joy?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I stayed in last night. That actually brought me a lot of joy. I think I needed that. You excited for your show today? So Jake banned me from seeing his Broadway shows. I don't know why, but I think it's because the Last two times I was there, I was front row and every single time he would look at me, I would actually just lose my. And he was holding in his laughter on stage so hard that I felt so bad because he almost broke.

[Theresa]

I almost.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I almost made you laugh 15 times last time I was there and the time before I went with Alice and it was probably Jake's worst nightmare.

[Theresa]

What do you think? What do you think about when you're alone? Wait, why?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

When I'm alone, it can get. It can get dark. Like. What do you mean? Like my thoughts. I'm just thinking about, like what you would think about day to day. What do you think about when you're alone?

[Theresa]

I think about losing everybody in my life.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Yeah, that's like definitely what you think about. Which I don't understand, but really scary.

[Theresa]

Uh huh. I think about how I'm gonna end up alone.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

So when you're thinking about that, you're manifesting it. So you need to start thinking more positively in your head.

[Theresa]

Like how?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Like you need to stop saying you're gonna end up alone because when you say it. This is what I was taught when you say it.

[Theresa]

Who taught you that?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

My therapist.

[Theresa]

Okay.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

When you say it, like you're putting that out there because you know I do the same thing. But like, if you've changed it and you're like, I'm gonna find this amazing person within the year, then that's what's gonna happen. You're manifesting it.

[Theresa]

What is something that you've manifested recently that's worked styling.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

And now I've been.

[Theresa]

Oh my God. Why don't we take this time.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Yes.

[Theresa]

Why don't we take this time? Cassidy, who has some of the best style.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Thank you.

[Theresa]

That I know.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Thank you. That's actually really sweet.

[Theresa]

It's true.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Thank you.

[Theresa]

Is venturing into the styling industry.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I've always wanted to style.

[Theresa]

You've always wanted to. So if. If any of you need to be styled for a shoot for life.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Cassidy Michaela Brown. Has. That's your middle name. Yeah. Has got you. Okay. You just message her Cassidy M. Brown on Instagram.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Got you. Except you haven't let me style you yet.

[Theresa]

Well, I have a stylist. Her name is Sydney Lopez and I love her dearly.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Awesome. Yeah.

[Theresa]

Yes. Who's your favorite stylist in the world?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Andrew something. I don't remember his last name, but he is popping off. He styles Margot Robbie right now. Have you seen her recent fit?

[Theresa]

Yeah, she's always. She's always been amazing.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

She's she's always looking amazing, but holy, she's looking insane because of her stylist.

[Theresa]

Well, tonight on therapist we have Nick Jonas, who is a dear friend. Were you a Jonas Brothers?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I was a Jonas brothers fan, yeah. He was my favorite, actually. Joe loved Kevin, but Nick was my boy.

[Theresa]

Okay, well, Nick is on therapist today. He was actually the first person to ever interact with any of my stuff. He's the only reason that I have a career. Wow. I would say. And he is so lovely, so kind. His new album Sunday best is out now. It is incredible. Please listen to it if you haven't. It is really just truly amazing. He is so amazing. There is also only one more week of all out on Broadway. It ends Sunday, March 8th. Please get your tickets online. It is me, Ray Romano, Nicholas Braun, Jenny Slay. Written by Simon Rich, directed by Alex Timbers at the Nederlander Theatre. I am having the best time ever.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

You're killing it.

[Theresa]

Thank you. I love you. Thank you. You've been so supportive. Thank you so much.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Three shows. I've been to three shows.

[Theresa]

Yes, you have. Yeah.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Jake and I have a special bond. It really doesn't get better.

[Theresa]

I used to wake up in her bed in college.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Every, every night of college that we would go out, I would wake up next to Jake and his pink heels. Sorry I had to bring them up. You know I did.

[Theresa]

I would wear pink heels because Cassidy tried cutes for the first time the other day.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

They I'm not a candy girl. Like, it kind of gives me a headache, this candy. I went through three bags.

[Nick Jonas]

Y they're gone.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

It was so good.

[Theresa]

What was your favorite? The sours. The foamies.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

The foamies. Insane. Like insane. Melted in my mouth.

[Theresa]

Have you had a good time?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I've had a really good time. I hope I touched on all the topics we needed to touch on.

[Theresa]

Oh, I'm going to miss you when you're in Paris.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I'm going to miss you. No, it's actually really sad.

[Theresa]

When are you back?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I get back on Sunday.

[Theresa]

I leave Monday. My best.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Okay, so I'm gonna come here on Sunday night sleepover.

[Theresa]

Do you want to come to my clothes day night?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Yeah, of course.

[Theresa]

Pussies. I love you. Enjoy tonight's episode. Come see all out on Broadway Stream Nick Jonas new album Sunday best out now. Cassidy, thank you so much for joining me for this intro. I love you so much. Enjoy the episode. I love you, pussies. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to therapuss. Today we have on. Would you consider us Friends.

[Nick Jonas]

I would, yeah, I would also. Would you?

[Theresa]

I would, yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm glad to hear.

[Theresa]

A dear friend. A dear friend whose album is out now, Sunday best. It's incredible.

[Nick Jonas]

Thank you.

[Theresa]

Nick Jonas.

[Nick Jonas]

Happy to be here.

[Theresa]

Happy to have you here.

[Nick Jonas]

This is long overdue.

[Theresa]

Very, very much so. Well, you know, like, you were the first person to ever interact with any of my stuff with the Coke.

[Nick Jonas]

Diet Coke, yeah. It's kind of crazy what has happened in the last. Whatever it's been four or five years.

[Theresa]

Three.

[Nick Jonas]

Three. Very happy for you.

[Theresa]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Nick Jonas]

It's always fun to see genuinely nice people do well and succeed.

[Theresa]

Nicholas, is that your full name?

[Nick Jonas]

Because I've seen some not so nice people succeed and that sucks.

[Theresa]

Oh. Oh, well, speaking of succeeding, you weren't how to succeed in business without really trying.

[Nick Jonas]

I was.

[Theresa]

I am starting on Broadway next, I heard. Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

Congrats. All. What, all out?

[Theresa]

Yeah, all out.

[Nick Jonas]

Amazing.

[Theresa]

I'm so excited. Are you based in New York?

[Nick Jonas]

We were this. This whole last year. We basically got to New York in February last year. I did the Broadway show last five years and then we ended up staying and just kind of lived out of New York because the tour with the brothers was in and around that area quite a bit, so it made more sense. But we just literally on Friday moved back into our home here.

[Theresa]

Are you happy to be back?

[Nick Jonas]

I am, yeah. It's, you know, L. A is. It's nice we've got our friends here. I don't. I don't love the traffic. I forgot how annoying that is.

[Theresa]

But what I will say is I know you can take the subway in New York, but the traffic in New York is arguably just as bad.

[Nick Jonas]

I just walk everywhere, so it probably takes me longer, but it's more enjoyable to get outside. Take a nice long walk, even if it's freezing cold. I'll walk.

[Theresa]

Right. I love. Do you sleep hot or cold?

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, cold. Freezing cold.

[Theresa]

Me too. What is your temperature at?

[Nick Jonas]

If I can. If I can get away with it. Meaning? My wife likes to be warm when she sleeps, so she tries to sit at like 71 or something.

[Theresa]

What? I sleep at 62.

[Nick Jonas]

62 is very cold with a fan next to me. That's amazing. How. How does the thermost. Thermostat even get that low?

[Theresa]

Well, it breaks all the time.

[Nick Jonas]

I need that.

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Life.

[Theresa]

Well, you know what you need an eight sleep.

[Nick Jonas]

And I've heard about this.

[Theresa]

No.

[Nick Jonas]

Do you have one?

[Theresa]

Yes. And you can split up the sides. You can split up the sides. So your Wife can be sleep hot. Like, it can be hot on her side and cold on yours.

[Nick Jonas]

I need to get this.

[Theresa]

Speaking of, have you ever seen Quantico?

[Nick Jonas]

I have. I've seen two episodes and I've seen a lot of clips. Have you seen it in full? Oh, wow.

[Theresa]

Yes. It's the best show of all time. So is she.

[Nick Jonas]

It's a great. It's a great show.

[Theresa]

Would you ever consider watching the full show?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I would love to.

[Theresa]

It's.

[Nick Jonas]

We should. We should set a date. We'll do it together. We'll watch the whole show together.

[Theresa]

With her.

[Nick Jonas]

With her. And she can give us, like, you know, inside baseball.

[Theresa]

It is the best show of all time. Lord, I love, like, political thrillers like. Me too. Quantico, Designated Survivor.

[Nick Jonas]

I love Designated Survivor. That was a good one.

[Theresa]

What else? What are you watching right now?

[Nick Jonas]

I'm watching the Pit, which is quite good. Have you seen it?

[Theresa]

No, but I've seen someone that looks a lot quite like me if I lost.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, that's right. This, this. I have seen that, actually, because now my algorithm's all basically the pitch.

[Theresa]

It's not even the algorithm. It's just. It's just as clear as day.

[Nick Jonas]

It does. It does. It looks like you. Yeah.

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

But you should give the show a watch. You're in it, basically.

[Theresa]

I. I know. I really should. Did you what? Well, so the Pit takes over, like, it takes over the span of like 12 hours, right?

[Nick Jonas]

Correct.

[Theresa]

So were you like a 24 watcher

[Nick Jonas]

back in the day? I was like. I would say sort of a mid fan. Like, I wasn't on it every week, but I did watch from time to time.

[Theresa]

Okay.

[Nick Jonas]

It's nice because, like, each episode you could watch as an individual journey and adventure. And it was. It was. You didn't need to, like, know the really bigger arc the show. I think 24. Am I remembering this correctly? Yeah.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Don't you need to know what happened in the previous hour?

[Nick Jonas]

I don't think so. I think it can kind of just be its own, you know, 24 hour experience.

[Theresa]

Totally.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Well, you know, something else I wanted to talk about was we share a stylist.

[Nick Jonas]

We do.

[Theresa]

Sydney.

[Nick Jonas]

She's the best. I saw her post about you and that she was dressing you and I was. I was like, I'm really happy to see that because she's a great person and she does a good job styling the people she styles.

[Theresa]

She's incredible. We are lowkey. So interconnected.

[Nick Jonas]

It's. It's crazy. Like, what are Some more connection points.

[Theresa]

Burman.

[Nick Jonas]

Burman. Yeah, exactly.

[Theresa]

Sydney.

[Nick Jonas]

We're basically. We're. We kind of have the same team almost.

[Theresa]

I'm the fifth.

[Nick Jonas]

You're the. You're the fifth, Jonas.

[Theresa]

I'm the fan.

[Nick Jonas]

Have you had Franklin on the show?

[Theresa]

No, I need to.

[Nick Jonas]

How many episodes do you do a.

[Theresa]

Weekly during, like once we start out, it's once. Once a week.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Well, right now I'm about to. Well, maybe I'll film some in New York, but. Right. You know, usually it's once a week. One time I did seven in a week.

[Nick Jonas]

Seven in a week.

[Theresa]

And I know to you it's like cuz like you're doing like, shows and Broadway and like the whole. To do like. It's a lot. It's a lot of talking. Yeah, it's a lot.

[Nick Jonas]

I see. I find that I get more tired vocally from talking over singing.

[Theresa]

Okay, wait, what?

[Nick Jonas]

And I have like a. A softer speaking voice. I kind of talk quiet. And that's literally because I get like, if I overextend talking, I. I can't sing, but I can sing all the time. Be fine.

[Theresa]

How. What's your. When's your birthday?

[Nick Jonas]

September.

[Theresa]

Virgo.

[Nick Jonas]

Virgo. Do you love how, you know, do

[Theresa]

you love, like, control and stuff?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. Yeah, I'm. I'm your very typical Virgo is what I've been told.

[Theresa]

What to say, what to say. I'm. You know what I need. What do you need? Let me grab me a Celsius, please. Thank you so much.

[Nick Jonas]

Love a Celsius.

[Theresa]

You love Celsius.

[Nick Jonas]

I mean, I used to drink it a lot more, and then I realized that it was making me feel a little anxious sometimes, so I kind of chilled on it.

[Theresa]

Oh, speaking of anxiety. You struggle with anxiety?

[Nick Jonas]

I.

[Theresa]

No.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. I mean, sometimes.

[Theresa]

Okay. Like, not like I just read something you were quite open about. You had a moment of anxiety on a red carpet?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, well, I was just hot, actually, so you'll understand this. I was on the Golden Globes record with Priyanka. It was like this tented kind of red carpet thing, and the heat was blasting for some reason, and it was a hot day outside, and I was in a, you know, a tuxedo with a bow tie and the whole thing.

[Theresa]

Yeah, you looked fabulous.

[Nick Jonas]

Thank you. And I was just really hot and uncomfortable. I was sweating. And it's a stressful environment to be sweating because you're being photographed and there's cameras in your face and trying to, like, act normal in interviews. I'm like, literally Burning up. And I didn't mean to do that. Wasn't on purpose to reference my song.

[Theresa]

It was perfect.

[Nick Jonas]

It's a genuine accident. And then I went and just got some fresh air and I felt better.

[Theresa]

Oh, amazing. And I had some water and some water. You know what? I have been drinking so much water lately. And everyone, by the way, I'm not even kidding. Everyone's been like, wait, your face looks so much slimmer. Your face looks so much slimmer. Water.

[Nick Jonas]

Water's key.

[Theresa]

Water is key.

[Nick Jonas]

It makes you feel great. It tastes like nothing.

[Theresa]

It's perfect. Yeah, well, I used to put in,

[Nick Jonas]

like, put the, the water.

[Theresa]

Yeah, the little liquid IVs in. But apparently you are not supposed to have those unless you're, like, running a marathon. Have you ever run a marathon?

[Nick Jonas]

I have run a 5k.

[Theresa]

I ran a 5k the other week.

[Nick Jonas]

I found it to be very challenging.

[Theresa]

I took a break in the middle and smoked a cigarette right after.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I, I, I did it once. Joe actually hosted a, a, a run, a 5k run for a charity that he was working with. And, and it was in, in Texas somewhere. So it's again, really hot. And I got about halfway through. I was like, I don't think I can do this. I'm not a runner.

[Theresa]

You know your body. Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

I like to stay fit and work out, but I hate running.

[Theresa]

Yeah. Running is the worst. But, you know, it's great walking.

[Nick Jonas]

Walking is great.

[Theresa]

Walking is almost equally as great as running.

[Nick Jonas]

It kind of.

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Better on your knees, I think.

[Theresa]

Well, you know, speaking of Joe, you're sitting on a present. He got me this couch.

[Nick Jonas]

No, I wish I was like. That's a really nice gift. This.

[Theresa]

Yes, Patrick.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, that's very nice.

[Theresa]

Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

Can I ask you what the, what the octopus thing is?

[Theresa]

I'm so glad you asked. Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm dying to know.

[Theresa]

So I started by, like, I started my account by reviewing octopus dishes. Oh. So I'd be like, past that puss, like. And I'd review it out of eight, 10 to eight. Because it ate tentacles.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Hi, pussies. Therapists. That's where the just kind of spirals.

[Nick Jonas]

What's the best octopus you've ever eaten?

[Theresa]

Great question. I think Angelini in the Palisades. I don't know now because of the fires, but it was amazing.

[Nick Jonas]

You're from la, originally from New York. From New York originally.

[Theresa]

Born in la, raised in New York. So we're, we're trying, we're tri state,

[Nick Jonas]

you and me, New York City. Or like okay, well, yeah. When then? When did you come back to LA for college?

[Theresa]

For usc. I went to usc. Do you ever wish you went to college?

[Nick Jonas]

I do sometimes. Yeah. I really loved to play baseball and I had this dream that I could, like, walk on the baseball team. It wouldn't have happened. I don't have the height for it, but I.

[Theresa]

You need height. Oh, you do need height.

[Nick Jonas]

You kind of need height. Not every, you know, there's some anomalies that. That figure it out. But anyway, I went to visit the Northwestern University campus in Chicago when I was, like, 16. And, you know, it wasn't the cards. Other things were happening. We were very, very busy at the time.

[Theresa]

What was happening for you at 16?

[Nick Jonas]

We were on the Burn it up tour, um, which was, I think, in, oh, oh, eight. And life was crazy. It was like a insane chapter of our journey.

[Theresa]

Did you clock like, oh, this is crazy. Or were you like, okay, well, this is just my job?

[Nick Jonas]

I think we clocked. I mean, once. Once things sort of really took off. I would. I would say we were on tour with Avril Lavigne in Europe in the early part of 2008. And, you know, our. Our record had really started to bubble and things were happening. And on that tour in particular, we hadn't ever toured Europe. So, like, the Avril fans would, like, boo us sometimes.

[Theresa]

Shut up.

[Nick Jonas]

Like, they didn't really like us, which is, by the end of the show, we'd win them over. That was the whole idea. But when we first came out, they'd be like, why? The why? Who are these kids on stage anyway? So we had a couple, like, rough shows, and we're like, does anyone care about us? What's up? Then we came back to the US and things were, like, nuts. And it was that at that point in the journey where I was like, I think. I think this is going to be a thing.

[Theresa]

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but would you consider the takeoff point of everything when the year 3000 music video premiered on Disney Channel?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I think so. Because we. We'd already released a record that really didn't do well.

[Theresa]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

And we got dropped from our first record label. And then Hollywood Records, which is owned by Disney Disney Music Group, said, like, we know what to do with this. We know how to market this. And so they, you know, they started playing the video on Disney Channel and then it just went nuts from there.

[Theresa]

Wow.

[Nick Jonas]

They turned on, as I say, the Disney Faucet.

[Theresa]

The Disney Faucet. What was it like being on the Disney faucet.

[Nick Jonas]

Parts of the, the journey that of course, when you look back at, you know, different stages of your life, when you're like in your early 20s and trying to be cool, that you can be like, oh, that was cringy or whatever. But then, you know, at this stage in my life and now in my 30s, like, I look at those things that we were able to be a part of with Disney and I, I have like, so much pride and I'm really grateful that we got to make movies with them and, you know, do the TV shows and all that. And we were part of a pretty

[Theresa]

crazy, pivotal, you know, Disney moment.

[Nick Jonas]

Graduating class of. You know.

[Theresa]

Well, speaking of, I wanted to ask you specifically the Disney Channel games.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

What, what, what, what? What team were you on again? You? Yellow.

[Nick Jonas]

I was on the red team.

[Theresa]

Red.

[Nick Jonas]

The Infernos.

[Theresa]

Okay, the Infernos.

[Nick Jonas]

How do you not remember that?

[Theresa]

You know what? You weren't not quite good at this job, did you. Was that like summer camp for you? Or was that like, oh, stop it. Tell me everything.

[Nick Jonas]

Well, I, I spoke about this on a late night show one time and I think it was like, some people started to take it way too seriously, like, too literally. I said like, oh, it's like, you know, Love island on crack. And other people responded that, that were there. And like, it wasn't anything like that. It's weird, you know, I'm like, guys, it's not that serious.

[Theresa]

Like, so would you like all like, go to each other's rooms after?

[Nick Jonas]

It wasn't. To be clear, it wasn't like Love Island. It was, that was just a, a fun way to say that it was like high school or summer camp.

[Theresa]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

We're all, you know, we're all teenagers. Like, it was just a, a wild time. But there was no inappropriate things happening because we also had our parents there and chaperones and it was a whole, you know, situation. But I will say this, it was very fun. I really enjoyed. We did it one year and then we performed at it one year, so we got to be a part of it. I enjoyed being around other kids my age who had similar interests and who like to entertain and sing and, you know, it was, it was a. Because I was homeschooled and I was with my brothers all the time. We were touring these sort of environments where we could tap into like a sort of high school culture.

[Theresa]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

I think was really key to our, like, ability to stay somewhat normal.

[Theresa]

Was there anything that happened during the games that you're like, oh, this Feels like high school. Like, was there like a class clown? Was there, like, yeah, we're all going to class, right? Like, you know what I mean?

[Nick Jonas]

There's these videos from, like the, the opening night party where, you know, we're all like on the dance floor. And there was this, actually this video of me, like, dancing, which is not something I often did. I was kind of very self conscious about dancing and wanted to be taken seriously as a musician. So we never danced.

[Theresa]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

And so I didn't really have any confidence there, but I'm so carefree and really having fun. The video and, and I watched it back now as, you know, as a, as an adult, and I was like, wow, that, that kid was fearless. Like, he, he was so able to just be in the moment and be silly and all these things that I, I feel like I lost along the way at some point. And it was kind of great to see it. And I think it's a direct result of that environment for, for me. And I really believe other people that were there was really fun and it was a, you know, a nice thing to get to, to be together and do these things. It was, it was really fun.

[Theresa]

Do you remember, do you think? Well, because obviously you guys were followed by the press and such, but do you think that had an impact on like, being more reserved or do you think social media played an even bigger role in that? Like, which do you think kind of affected you more?

[Nick Jonas]

Which. Well, I think, you know, we. We already had a version of it because we grew up in the church. Our dad was a pastor, and there was sort of a microscope on us because we were like the first family of the church, so we had to behave a certain way. And, you know, pastor's kids historically, like, either end up like, really fucked up or like super buttoned up.

[Theresa]

It's like one or the other or the Jonas Brothers.

[Nick Jonas]

And so, you know, we. We had to be really kind of buttoned up and act correctly, which I think was actually really good training ground for later on when we work with Disney. And there's obviously, like, certain things that you have to do to represent the Disney company. And I think a lot of people took that as pressure. I certainly did at times. But I also, I think, you know, it was good for us. We were kids just trying to figure it out and always tried to be good people and make good choices. But the pressure, the lens. I think when social media came into the, the scene, you know, back when. I think Twitter was the first one.

[Theresa]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

I mean, we used to be on MySpace, but that was long before, you know, Twitter and Instagram. Everyone became a journalist. And, and then even now with Tick Tock, everyone's a detective and everyone's a journalist. And so, you know, we, we're balanced about it. I think it was a part of the job. It was sort of like, all right, this is, this is just a kind of tax you have to pay. You sort of lose your privacy. But I think our parents really helped us kind of navigate that.

[Theresa]

Right. You had them through it all and you also had each other.

[Nick Jonas]

We had each other. We checked each other.

[Theresa]

You. Oh.

[Nick Jonas]

And, and that was like, I think was good. It's like a self governing thing where we all, you know, knew how to support each other, but also be like, hey, come on, don't do that.

[Theresa]

And what did Frankie think about all this?

[Nick Jonas]

Um, let's ask him. Franklin. He, he was so young. I mean, he was. When we first started, he was like four.

[Theresa]

How old is he now?

[Nick Jonas]

He's 20. He'll be 26 this, this year.

[Theresa]

He was not four.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, was four.

[Theresa]

No, but because I wasn't four and that's my age.

[Nick Jonas]

No, he was, it was, we started.

[Theresa]

I'm arguing with you.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I'm telling the truth. We technically started working like 22 years ago. And I started on Broadway as a kid before that, so it's like quite a long time.

[Theresa]

I forgot I've seen the documentary.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

Have you?

[Theresa]

I have.

[Nick Jonas]

Nice.

[Theresa]

I have. I remember. Yeah, I remember.

[Nick Jonas]

You still have to get you to a show, though.

[Theresa]

Okay, well, so you know what?

[Nick Jonas]

I know Joe gave you some about this. He did, Yes.

[Theresa]

I went to your Vegas show.

[Nick Jonas]

Yep.

[Theresa]

Remember that amazing Love Bug was just simply electric?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. Did you gamble?

[Theresa]

No. No.

[Nick Jonas]

Do you gamble?

[Theresa]

I, I, I've learned how to. I like the game where you play and it spins on the wheel.

[Nick Jonas]

That's my favorite game.

[Theresa]

Yeah. And it just lands on a number because the first time I won 2000 bucks.

[Nick Jonas]

Numbers. Or did you just do red and black?

[Theresa]

I was. No, I did numbers. I was like, that one. And then it landed on that one.

[Nick Jonas]

Just one number?

[Theresa]

Yeah, because I was like, just put it all on that.

[Nick Jonas]

That's how they hook you.

[Theresa]

Okay, so you think it's rigged?

[Nick Jonas]

I, I think everything in the casino is rigged because it has to be. They have to make those buildings and someone has to make all that money,

[Theresa]

you know, so you know what I do? Cuz I also think that every time I gamble, I say, this is my first time smart. I say, oh, My God, how do I do this? It's my first time, so they're nicer to me.

[Nick Jonas]

That's very good. I'm going to do that too. They'll be like, actually, we saw you here two months ago.

[Theresa]

Yeah. When you performed.

[Nick Jonas]

When you performed in this casino.

[Theresa]

Are you planning on touring this album?

[Nick Jonas]

I hope to. I've been doing these sort of like smaller, intimate shows where, you know, I get to talk about the music, where the inspiration came from. Because it is, you know, important for me to. To share the context of this album. I always start with like, why. Why now? Why this album? That's the question I ask myself first before I go and make a project. And that's because I want to make sure that I'm. I'm doing something that feels important to me, important enough to go in and, you know, spend the time in the studio to write the songs and record them and to make it the album. Like every. Every second of. Of the process starts with the intention is kind of my idea. And. And with this one, it was like. Well, it took about two and a half years to make, but it's really 33 years in the making. It's like my whole life in different sort of snapshots and point. Points of view and perspective that I. I had, but. But hadn't been able to put pen to paper on and actually like articulate in the way that I did with this one. And I think that that came from collaboration. I worked with some amazing co writers who really helped me kind of bring the vision to life with it. And. Yeah, so those shows have been great and I've been able to give that context. And I'd love to do some more later this year where I can do a sort of bigger, more exciting show where I can play stuff from this album and stuff from previous records of mine and some songs I wrote with the Jonas Brothers, stuff like. It'd be nice to spend, I think, 10 years or so since I toured solo.

[Theresa]

Really was the last tour with the album that had Jealous on it.

[Nick Jonas]

No, it's this. It was just the one after that was called Last Year was Complicated. I remember I went on a. Like a. A tour for that. That was about 25 shows or something like that. And then I did another one not too long after that. But yeah, it's been a while.

[Theresa]

Do you enjoy touring?

[Nick Jonas]

I love touring. I don't. I don't always love traveling so much. You know, it. It's nice when you can kind of hub out of a city, right. Like what we'll do is we'll. We'll be based in Los Angeles for, like a week, going in and out of the different places for the shows on the bus or whatever, flying, and then. And then you get to come back home and see the family and kind of have a sense of normalcy amidst the craziness. But I really do love touring.

[Theresa]

That's amaz. Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

How did you like your tour?

[Theresa]

Oh, my God. Not, you know, Wayne, thank you so much for asking.

[Nick Jonas]

Did you play msg, Radio City?

[Theresa]

Radio City.

[Nick Jonas]

Because I walked by the marquee to go to theater when I was doing last five years, and I was like, oh, wow, that's amazing. Heck, that was. Yes. I was very excited for you.

[Theresa]

Thank you.

[Nick Jonas]

It's a big deal.

[Theresa]

It was awesome. It was awesome. It was exhausting. Yeah. And I know that sounds silly coming for me because you're, like, up there singing and dancing and doing the whole. To do, and I'm just talking, but it was exhausting. Yeah, it was exhausting because. I don't know. I'm. I'm just.

[Nick Jonas]

It's a lot of energy.

[Theresa]

It's a lot of energy. I'm. I'm a. I'm a tough cookie in general as a human. I'm quite lazy. I. You know, it was a lot. It was a lot. But I. My favorite part, at least for me, because I began online, was being able to see everybody in person and be like, oh, my God, it's so real. These people are like, this is real. Like, people are actually buying tickets and showing that.

[Nick Jonas]

Powerful.

[Theresa]

So powerful.

[Nick Jonas]

Like, we. You know, you do it whether it's on online or on a recording, you know, whatever it is, and it's. It. In a lot of ways, you're kind of like, is it real? Like, who, of course, are these folks that are engaging with this? And then you get to see it and see the impact that the live experience has on people. It's. It's. I think it's really powerful.

[Theresa]

Do you have a favorite show you've ever done?

[Nick Jonas]

Tough to pick, but we. The. The first show of this last tour that. That we just did that I missed. Greetings from your hometown tour that you missed was pretty amazing. It was in our hometown stadium that we used to drive past on our way into New York City, like, hoping to accomplish our dreams someday. And looking at that venue, like, one day we'll play there, and we got to start the tour there, and that was probably my favorite one in recent memory. But there's so many tough to Pick. Did you have a favorite one?

[Theresa]

Seattle.

[Nick Jonas]

Seattle.

[Theresa]

Seattle. That was fishing, right? Seattle. It was just because a good vibe. It was. The crowd was great. And my favorite is when I can riff with the crowd and like, and feel. I just felt very confident and like, love that in like my humor and my. All my jokes were landing and it was just. It was the best. Everyone was so, so happy. And we went fishing and got kushi after that, and it was just great.

[Nick Jonas]

Where do you think your sense of humor comes from? Like, what's the source of it or where did it come from?

[Theresa]

I think I'm very self deprecating.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

So I think it's a defense mechanism almost against somebody making a comment like if, like there. Do you. Have you ever seen the show Girls?

[Nick Jonas]

I have not admittedly. Sorry.

[Theresa]

No, it's okay. You have to.

[Nick Jonas]

Okay. I have a lot of fights, so I'll put it on my yes to do list.

[Theresa]

Quantico Girls. Yeah, it's so Hannah, the Lena Dunham has this line where she says, like, anything bad you could say about me, I've said to myself ten times within the last hour already. And so I think that a lot of my humor is like, kind of getting to the joke first before anyone else can because I'm so scared of someone, like, making fun of me. Like, I have this quote above my bed. My bed that Manny, who's out there painted for me. And it's. It's a quote. I forget who said it, but it says if you slip on a banana peel, if you slip on a banana peel, people will laugh at you. But if you tell people you slipped on a banana peel, it's your laugh that's good. And so that's, I think, where my humor is from. And also I'm. I don't know, I'm like miserable and anxious and just like, I haven't, you

[Nick Jonas]

know, like, I think. Yeah, it's interesting because you have a very. You have a very good sense of humor and your style of comedy. Like, going back to the first couple videos I saw of yours, I was. I was like, this is a very smart person because you have to be smart to. To like on, you know, to write those bits and to like to. To do them. Well, I should hang out with you all the time. I'm not trying to guess you out. I'm just saying it. No, I know. It shows.

[Theresa]

Thank you.

[Nick Jonas]

And you know, this, the. The fact that it's from a place of. Of saying, like, I'm gonna make the joke before someone else Can. Makes. Makes a lot of sense based on how you construct your comedy. But you're very. You're very funny.

[Theresa]

Thank you. And you are a very good singer, actor, and.

[Nick Jonas]

Thank you.

[Theresa]

And all of it. Well, I also. I think I base it a lot in, like, my friend group. Like, it. A lot of.

[Nick Jonas]

See that.

[Theresa]

Yeah. A lot of it's very, like, imitations of, like, I. I grew up around a lot of women. All my best friends are girls. And like, it's. It's like, very. If you get it, you like, you really get it. Like, it's very, like, girl humor, I would say.

[Nick Jonas]

Love that.

[Theresa]

Yeah. I did want to ask you about the Send it on video.

[Nick Jonas]

What about it?

[Theresa]

Do you feel like that was kind of we are the World for children?

[Nick Jonas]

In some ways it was. I mean, here's the. Here's the reality at the. At the core of it. The whole Friends for Change movement, I think, was a really responsible and good thing that.

[Theresa]

What was that movement?

[Nick Jonas]

It was about being kinder to the. To the planet Earth, right. To.

[Theresa]

Oh, girl. We have not accomplished that.

[Nick Jonas]

We had not accomplished that. And so that sentiment, I think, was. Was really solid. There was. There was a lot of initiatives like, you know, waste in the oceans and. And, you know, recycling, like, all these things that are good in. In practice, in principle, but it was slightly like. It was a lot.

[Theresa]

Yeah, but did you have fun filming or was it, like, so stressful? Like, because if you. There's like a BTS of like the we are the world, am I correct? There's like a Behind the scenes of like, the. The day, the night that, like, Lionel Richie. Yeah, there's a movie about it. It was like, the most stressful night ever. So was it stressful for you guys? Did you send it on

[Nick Jonas]

aspects of it? Because it was all of, like, the big one was like, all of the talent across all the shows, and anytime all of us were together, it was like. It was just a lot of energy. Everyone, you know, who gets.

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Teenagers on it was. So it was. It was not stressful in the way of, like, are we gonna get this right? We were just, you know, go stand over there, deliver your line or sing your thing. And I mean, there was like, so many liners, though.

[Theresa]

Like, what do you.

[Nick Jonas]

If you want the. The back.

[Theresa]

Yeah, I do. I do.

[Nick Jonas]

So we do these, like, they were called, like, content days or something where basically all the talent will come in and it would be the. The one thing.

[Theresa]

Yes, that.

[Nick Jonas]

And then they would. Then you would do, like, all these Liners for, like, different territories.

[Theresa]

Oh, you know. You know what? I used to, when I worked at a record label, I would make artists do these. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

But these are on camera. And it's like every territory across all the distant channels all over the world. And then also like some of these initiatives that were a part of the Disney Channel thing. And that part always like, you know, reading off a teleprompter, like, to your point about it, feeling exhausting. Play shows. You love it. But it is like, it's a lot of energy that would always kind of get me is like the having to read off a prompter for hours. Like, oh, my gosh, this is insane.

[Theresa]

Do you remember?

[Nick Jonas]

Can you do one down the barrel?

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Hey, I'm Nick Jonas and you're watching Disney Channel. Be sure to check out a new episode of Zack and Cody coming this spring. That kind of stuff.

[Theresa]

Okay, but what about for a different country?

[Nick Jonas]

Hey, Denmark, it's Nick Jonas here.

[Theresa]

Okay, cool. Just, I wanted, like, full context. Sorry, I just, like, triggered you, literally.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, but it's okay.

[Theresa]

I'm so sorry.

[Nick Jonas]

It's fine. I'm gonna survive.

[Theresa]

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[Nick Jonas]

We'd watch some of the. The movies before we were on Disney Channel dcoms, as it. As it were. Of course. We would watch all the classics and there were some amazing ones. You know, Johnny Tsunami was good one.

[Theresa]

What's your favorite movie of all time?

[Nick Jonas]

Ooh, Goodwill hunting. It's probably my favorite movie.

[Theresa]

Oh, did you see Goodwill Duncan last night?

[Nick Jonas]

I didn't see it. I heard about it.

[Theresa]

Is it cool?

[Nick Jonas]

What was your favorite ad?

[Theresa]

My favorite ad, everybody?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, the T Mobile one.

[Theresa]

But then it was crypto. Coin based crypto. Now it was. Oh, okay.

[Nick Jonas]

Gosh.

[Theresa]

Now I feel bad, you know, like, because, like. But yeah, it was cool.

[Nick Jonas]

You gonna do a Super bowl commercial next year?

[Theresa]

Ideally. Did you guys do one this year? No, I did Poppy last year.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Have you guys ever done. I'm sure you've done one before.

[Nick Jonas]

I. I have, yeah.

[Theresa]

Which for who?

[Nick Jonas]

The brothers? Haven't. I have. Well, I. I have a partnership with Dexcom, which is a continuous glucose monitor that I wear. I'm a type 1 diabetic, so I have my Dexcom on here. And, and I did. It's really cool. We. We did actually two Super Bowls campaigns and it was amazing to bring something like diabetes onto a stage that big and talk about a thing that really is quite life changing for me. And so many people living with. With type one and type two. So that was cool. Then I did a Toyota commercial.

[Theresa]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

Which was fun.

[Theresa]

Two different things.

[Nick Jonas]

Very different things.

[Theresa]

Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

The Toyota commercial was a good concept.

[Theresa]

It was,

[Nick Jonas]

you know, keeping up with the Joneses and I appear like Jonas. It was very fun.

[Theresa]

Oh, that's very clever. They're very clever with those.

[Nick Jonas]

They are.

[Theresa]

When you started openly talking about diabetes, did people come up to you in the street and say, like, thank you?

[Nick Jonas]

Well, I was diagnosed when I was 13 and we, we had just really Started touring and stuff. And I knew pretty quickly that I wanted to speak openly about it because when I was in the hospital newly diagnosed, there really wasn't somebody that the nurses, the doctors could be like, hey, this person's living with this disease and they're doing just fine. And so I was kind of like, if. If whatever platform I have, at whatever stage, I'm just going to speak about this because there might be somebody, another 13 year old kid in the hospital who needs a little, you know, encouragement that they're going to be okay. And so, yeah, I've spoken about it forever, basically, and I've met some amazing people by being open about it.

[Theresa]

That's beautiful.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, thank you.

[Theresa]

Yeah. I feel like I know quite a few people with diabetes.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Sorry, that was so awkward.

[Nick Jonas]

I say that I mean a lot. A lot of people have it.

[Theresa]

My friend Tucker has it, you know, role model. Oh, yeah, he is amazing.

[Nick Jonas]

I met him in Vegas briefly.

[Theresa]

Oh, my God. Yeah, you did.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

You should be Sally.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I should be. You should be. I should. This is my formal offer. No, no, you should throw my name in there.

[Theresa]

Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Do you know, like how Sally started and stuff? No, no idea. You're just like, all of a sudden it appeared.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. What? What?

[Theresa]

How are you lying?

[Nick Jonas]

I genuinely don't. I don't know.

[Theresa]

Okay.

[Nick Jonas]

Is it you? It was me. You're the first Sally.

[Theresa]

I was the first Sally.

[Nick Jonas]

Well, this is like how I react when people are like bringing your name up and I'm like, do you know that I actually was the first person to like, engage with him on social. With the.

[Theresa]

Really?

[Nick Jonas]

I take full credit.

[Theresa]

Why am I so honored?

[Nick Jonas]

If that's gotten back to you, I hope you're not offended by.

[Theresa]

No, I'm so honored.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm not saying, I'm not saying that like, I'm the. I never say that. I just say that, you know.

[Theresa]

No, no, you were the first. That, that, that. You were my first that week in New York. I went to New York, I think literally with the sole purpose of making that video with you guys.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. At Fallon.

[Theresa]

Yes, at Fallon. That was great. Memory King.

[Nick Jonas]

What's so funny is I was in London at the time Priyanka was shooting Citadel there and. And I was like, I've heard.

[Theresa]

That's great.

[Nick Jonas]

It's great. You should check it out. The next season's coming out soon. Her new movie is Amazing comes out. I don't even to point at you though. It's really aggressive.

[Theresa]

What's her new movie?

[Nick Jonas]

You must Watch it. It's called the Bluff. It's on Amazon Prime. It comes out on the 24th, I believe.

[Theresa]

What's it about?

[Nick Jonas]

She plays a pirate like warrior. It's a badass revenge story. It's so good. It's set in like the 17, late 1700s. Anyway, I was gonna say I was, I was with her in London and I had just gotten there a few days before, so I was still jet lag, and I was like up till 4 or 5 in the morning every night, just scrolling. And then I came across your video and I sort of made the response in somewhat of like a delirious state because I was up at 4 in the morning and yeah, it was crazy how much people love, loved it.

[Theresa]

I mean, I woke up with pure joy and excitement that Nick Jonas do out of my video.

[Nick Jonas]

So great.

[Theresa]

Yeah, that was, that was. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Nick Jonas]

It's not. I, it's just a very, very small, small part of the ascension story.

[Theresa]

Well, to me, it's one of the biggest. I talk about it all the time. Like, yeah, that first week in New York and then I went to go to your SNL after party. You guys performed on snl.

[Nick Jonas]

That was fun. Yeah.

[Theresa]

You know, my favorite song off that album is. I think it's called Montana Skies.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. Oh, cool. Thanks. Yeah, John Bellion, great icon.

[Theresa]

He has. He's made one of my favorite songs of all time, Ghosts by Justin Bieber.

[Nick Jonas]

It's really good, that song.

[Theresa]

Oh, so good. Did you work with him on this new album?

[Nick Jonas]

I didn't work with him on this new album, but I, I, I certainly will again on something. He's, he's the best.

[Theresa]

Who did you work with on this album?

[Nick Jonas]

So JP Sachs.

[Theresa]

Great.

[Nick Jonas]

Basically posted this video a while back that was very honest and kind of vulnerable. It was about his tour and having to not do it because of some factors. And basically I was like, wow. He was so candid and it, like, really spoke to me and I reached out and said, hey, do you want to come out and be the special guest at our show in Toronto, where he's from? And he said yes. And he came out and absolutely killed it. And then basically I was like, look, I'm doing a writing camp in a couple weeks. Love for you to join. And so he was really, I think, the anchor to the project, helping me kind of bring it all to life and say what I wanted to say. And then there was a bunch of other collaborators. Paris Carney, who's very good friend of mine, also a Huge part of the songwriting aspects of this. And Brian Daly, Blush. Josette. Jeff Giddy did Duane Whitmore. It was an amazing group of people who really gave me the freedom to. To speak, you know, honestly. And. And I think because it was friends, I was able to just kind of relax and take the guard down a little bit and just. Just be real. And just sometimes you approach, like, writing a song and you're thinking about all the ways in which it'll be commercial or it'll find its audience if it'll trend on tick tock. I mean, all these things are a part of the creative process, whether you like it or not. But I really wanted to just strip all that away and say what feels right here? And what am I. What am I actually trying to say now? Look, I hope one of them becomes a hit. That would be great. But it's kind of more important at this stage for me to just say the. The most real thing.

[Theresa]

I loved Gut Punch.

[Nick Jonas]

Thank you.

[Theresa]

Can you explain to me the. The beginning you're talking about your hair falling out and then it not falling out. What is the significance behind that?

[Nick Jonas]

I. I went to the studio that day and I. I was talking to my co writers, Blush, Gisette, Ryan Daly. I was like, literally like this. Like, we're. I'm having my coffee kind of start of the day. And I was retelling them about how earlier that morning, I was like, I think my hair stopped growing. And they're like, what do you mean? I was like, it's. Well, it's not. It's not falling out, but it's just. It's reached its maximum length and it just doesn't grow any longer than that. They're like, that's not possible. Like, I don't. I don't know. And then I got reflective about it and not to get too, like, artisty, whatever, no guy. I was like, maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not growing, like. And the metaphor became important enough to be like, that's a song. And that literally became the verse. And then when we got to the gut punch part, it was just about kind of the ways in which we all beat ourselves up and stress about our people. Thinking about that thing I said last night, I feel like I'm misunderstood. Or, you know, am I being a thoughtful and responsible friend, husband, father, all these questions. And. And one of the things I think is important about Gut Punch, which is why I wanted to put it out first, is that it is specific to my experience. But it. I think it's the most universal theme and concept. You don't have to have lived my experience to relate to this. And also, I feel like, you know, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth ever, but some people might look at me in my life and say, oh, he doesn't ever think like that. But that's just not the case. I mean, we all deal with some level of self doubt or, you know, even ways in which we speak to ourself that are unkind at times. And it was really gratifying for me to. To make a song that. That speaks about that.

[Theresa]

Yeah, I thought it was super beautiful. It reminded me of when I was journaling the other day and I was just writing all these horrible things about myself down.

[Nick Jonas]

Why?

[Theresa]

Because I crashed out for like, how many. How long would you give it, Louise? What, three weeks?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

Longer?

[Theresa]

I thought. Shorter. I thought it was one week.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm sorry that happened.

[Theresa]

No, it's okay. It's okay. I. But I wrote like, Oink oink oink, piggy.

[Nick Jonas]

Well, that. I mean, I would encourage you unsolicited.

[Theresa]

Think positive. No, I know, I know it's important

[Nick Jonas]

to get those things out sometimes. I got it out to get it out and then leave it behind. And if you, you know, sometimes you just have to say a thing. It doesn't mean it's true. It doesn't make it true because you've said it. You know who you are, you know what your heart is. And. And you know, I'm sorry that that rejection happened, but.

[Theresa]

But you know what?

[Nick Jonas]

All good.

[Theresa]

I found out the other day that it was well worth it. I'll tell you after. It's actually a really exciting story.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, boy.

[Theresa]

I know you don't give two shits.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm excited to hear.

[Theresa]

What was I gonna ask you? Oh, Love Bug. The chord change in Love Bug when it goes, like, hard.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

How did that happen?

[Nick Jonas]

The first verse, second chorus, and second verse, second chorus. Before the. The big change at the end, I wrote in a hotel room in New York City and I. I basically had it ending with the Just Love Bu Again chorus and without doing the big epic guitar solo thing and the. But when Kevin and Joe heard, they wanted to ramp that part up and we all contributed to that sort of piece of the puzzle, which I think makes it a really special and powerful moment live.

[Theresa]

And it's the best song of all

[Nick Jonas]

time, so I'm so proud of that one. I think it's that, like the quintessential

[Theresa]

Jonas Brothers song that's what you think is the quintessential. That's what you think is the quintessential Jonas Brothers song, Love Bug. So, yeah, that would be my quintessential one.

[Nick Jonas]

Takes you on a journey. Musically, it's really representative of, like, our sound. And, you know, I. I think playing it now so many years later is even more exciting and. And, you know, powerful than even what it was back then.

[Theresa]

Wow. I did not know. I could have thought you would have said year 3000.

[Nick Jonas]

Well, what's funny is year 3000 is a cover. It's not even our song. We didn't write it. A lot of people don't know this, including me. Yeah. So there's a band called Busted. They are amazing guys.

[Theresa]

Totally.

[Nick Jonas]

And had, you know, their first kind of big record and break in the early 2000s. But this song that was massive over in the UK, didn't really transition over here to the US and. Or, you know, it didn't chart here in the us. So our label exec, David Massey, who signed us, and it's the best guy ever, he was like, I have this idea. What if we cut this record and release it in the us? So we did, and it was wild. But, I mean, a brilliant move on his part to find that pair with us. And obviously Busted had to approve it because for a long time we had all these people being, like, from the uk, like, they stole the songs. Like, you can't steal a song.

[Theresa]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

You have to get approval or you get sued. And so they were kind enough to let us take the song and run. We've now performed it together a bunch of times.

[Theresa]

Busted. Still together?

[Nick Jonas]

They're still together. They're on a tour right now, or just finished up one do.

[Theresa]

What is your favorite? Like, speaking of covers, what is your favorite, like, musical cover of all time?

[Nick Jonas]

It's. It's kind of a double. It's. It's a bizarre one. But, you know, Dolly Parton wrote I will always love you and I will always. So she wrote that Whitney Houston made it popular.

[Theresa]

Ah.

[Nick Jonas]

But then Dolly Parton released her own version of it, I believe is. Or it's the other way around.

[Theresa]

Anyway, that's your fave.

[Nick Jonas]

Whitney and Dolly both kind of covered the. I don't know how to explain it, but I. The math's nothing in my brain either, but yeah.

[Theresa]

Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

That's the best one.

[Theresa]

Wow. I think my favorite. It's kind of random. Drake did a cover of Nico's these Days.

[Nick Jonas]

I've never heard that.

[Theresa]

It is just simply have you ever heard it? Oh, my God, it's amazing. I. First of all, I love the song these days, and his cover of it is just outstanding. I am very, very excited to announce a new sponsor of therapist, which is Depop. I love Depop. Everyone loves depop. My best friends in the entire world use Depop, like, religiously. It is the best place, I feel like, to find secondhand and resale fashion. Like, I mean, I. What I specifically use it for, and as you can see is I like finding, like, vintage artists or, like, merch on there. I love merch more than merch is, like, my favorite thing in the entire world. Like, I love, like, I don't know if it's like, the feeling of exclusivity or what. I don't know what it is, but I love merch. And more specifically, I love vintage merch. So I always, always, always go to Depop to find that vintage merch because somebody is always selling, like, an old concert T shirt, like an old poster. So I love Depop. I had Nick Jonas on today, and I got this on Depop, and I was going to wear it, but right before I got so nervous and I just. I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't. Because I was. But I'm wearing it now to announce this depop partnership that I am so excited about. For the next guest, though, that I do this with, I am going to muster up the strength and courage to wear the merch. When I found out Nick was coming on, I, like, immediately went to Depop, because if there's anything out there, I know there's some old Jonas Brothers merch. And I was cracked. And I found this incredible T shirt. And Manny also found a T shirt. Manny, come here. Yes. Come sit. Grab the mic.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

My beautiful vintage shirt.

[Theresa]

Yes. Do you use Depop? I use Depop, like, every month. Do you ever sell clothes on Depop?

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I never have, actually, but I know it's easy. I have friends that do it.

[Theresa]

My favorite part about Depop, personally, not that you asked, but I'm gonna tell you is that they don't take seller fees. So, like, a bunch of other companies, like, if you're selling your clothes, like, they will take a cut of what you make, but depop doesn't take anything. So it's like a literal virtual flea market, which I think is so cool. That is cool. Also, what I love about Depop is that, like, you really do, like, connect with people that share similar styles to you, and style is such a personal Thing you really do talk to the person you're buying from, like, or that you're selling to. And it's just such a community. I just think it's so incredible. All of my best friends, including me, shop on Depop. Like, it is just so. So you find pieces you would not find anywhere. You can just find, like, really, really unique items. And I just think it is just the perfect place for that. It really is because you can find stuff you literally can't find anywhere else. Also, what I think is amazing is that Depop is for everyone. Like, my best friend Julia uses it to find, like, these insane vintage pieces. But then I have friends with kids that once these kids grow out of these clothes, they want a place to sell them so they'll sell them on Depop. Like, it really is just such a community where everyone can. There's something for everyone. And I just think that's so amazing. For me, it's merch and, like, concert merch and artists merch. And, like, Louise uses it to find shoes. She, like, has a huge shoe collection and, like, loves finding vintage shoes on Depop. Also, it really helps you hone your own personal style because you're not being, like, told what to buy. You're not being, like, marketed. Certain items like, you are on the hunt for what you want. Download the Depop app to start selling. Your first listing only takes a few minutes and there is somebody out there already searching for your style. Thank you again, Depop, for sponsoring today's episode. Stay tuned for all the other guests and the exciting items I find to accompany them.

[Nick Jonas]

Who's your favorite artist of all time?

[Theresa]

Taylor Swift.

[Nick Jonas]

Taylor Swift.

[Theresa]

Who's yours?

[Nick Jonas]

Steven W. Probably.

[Theresa]

I also love Bonnie Ver.

[Nick Jonas]

Very cool, right? Very cool, right?

[Theresa]

Every time I say that, I'm always like. And Bonnie Bear. Yeah. Because, you know, like, everyone's like, what are you listening to right now? I'm like, just the new Bonnie Bear record. Because I just feel like it makes me seem like in the. In the scene.

[Nick Jonas]

It's like when you. When you order like a fancy cocktail and you're like, yeah, I drink these all the time.

[Theresa]

What's your favorite cocktail?

[Nick Jonas]

I keep it quite simple just to. To kill a. With soda.

[Theresa]

You seem like a tequila drinker.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I do.

[Theresa]

I. Yeah, you give that.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm giving Tequila drinker. Yeah, yeah, that. And then if I'm doing. If I'm like doing a thing like I'm going to an event or I'm dressed up, I love to have a dirty martini. That's like, me too, about gin or vodka.

[Theresa]

Okay, Eugen.

[Nick Jonas]

Gin.

[Theresa]

That's because you're a grown up.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Yeah. I love a dirty martini. The best dirty mark. I. I used to, like, hate olives. Hate, hate olives more than anything in the world. Then I went to this hotel in London called.

[Nick Jonas]

How could you hate olives with a passion?

[Theresa]

I just found them quite disgusting.

[Nick Jonas]

They're so good. It's my favorite thing.

[Theresa]

Are they really?

[Nick Jonas]

I could.

[Theresa]

Well, I mean, I now enjoy olives,

[Nick Jonas]

but I have another friend. See how I said another friend? I have another friend who also hates olives and is, like, passionate about it. I'm like, that is such a bizarre thing to be angry.

[Theresa]

Can I tell you what it is? The texture doesn't match the taste.

[Nick Jonas]

Do you ever drink beer, like, to seem cool?

[Theresa]

Sometimes, yeah. Like, if I'm with a guy, he's like, having a beer. Like, I'm like, okay, yeah, you know, like, I'll get involved. But like, I have this one friend

[Nick Jonas]

who dropped three, two or three olives into a beer because the, like, the salty kind of thing with the beer. Yeah.

[Theresa]

I'd kill myself.

[Nick Jonas]

I tried it one time. It's actually, it's interesting. It's not bad, but it's not particularly good either.

[Theresa]

That's like giving ketchup on pizza.

[Nick Jonas]

That's. That's crazy to me.

[Theresa]

That is also crazy to me.

[Nick Jonas]

I mean, but at least ketchup is still kind of tomato sauce.

[Theresa]

I used to hate cherry tomatoes. I love them now.

[Nick Jonas]

What else did you used to hate that you now love?

[Theresa]

Oh, my God. Love that question. Cherry tomatoes, olives. Still hate beets, Cottage cheese. I used to like.

[Nick Jonas]

You used to hate it, now you love it.

[Theresa]

I. Well, I had never tried it because it's just bugged me out so bad.

[Nick Jonas]

Do you like Indian food?

[Theresa]

More than anything.

[Nick Jonas]

My favorite Indian dish is paneer, which is basically cottage cheese cubes and some sort of sauce. Right? And I. I have always hated cottage cheese. And then I. I had paneer. And I was like, this is the greatest thing. I was like, it's cottage cheese. Did you know that? I'm like, what? I've been. I've been lied to my entire life.

[Theresa]

I don't think. I don't think I've ever had paneer. I. My. I love birani and I love, of course, chicken T Masala. I love Papa Dom. It's my favorite snack in the entire world with chutney. Satisfying. So satisfying. And I haven't been able to find this anywhere. There's this one place in New York. Have you ever been to Swagat, New York?

[Nick Jonas]

I have not.

[Theresa]

Okay. It's on the Upper west side. It's one of my. Some of my favorite Indian food in the entire world. And they have this thing called puri or puri, and it's panipuri. Yeah. And it's like this bread, and you pop it and it's like, really hot.

[Nick Jonas]

It's got like a. They're like this big or. You talking about big?

[Theresa]

No, the big. The big one.

[Nick Jonas]

Okay.

[Theresa]

And I love lamb korma.

[Nick Jonas]

Very nice. I'm going to have Indian food tonight.

[Theresa]

From where?

[Nick Jonas]

We order from a place called La Merch. Shout out La Merch.

[Theresa]

Okay.

[Nick Jonas]

It's in the Valley.

[Theresa]

Please, I need the Rex because I.

[Nick Jonas]

So good. And my wife approves, and she's obviously knows her stuff in the Indian food. She approves of this place.

[Theresa]

Okay. I would tell. Will you send this to me?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

What's your favorite type of food?

[Nick Jonas]

Favorite type of food is. Number one spot would be Thai food now used to be Italian. It's been taken over by Thai food.

[Theresa]

You know what? I have to agree.

[Nick Jonas]

It's so good.

[Theresa]

I have to agree. I. Mine is Thai and Japanese. Those two. Those two really do it for me.

[Nick Jonas]

I agree. My. My order is Thai, Italian, Indian, Japanese. Everything else I. French. I don't know. Everything else.

[Theresa]

Yeah. I don't like French food.

[Nick Jonas]

Really?

[Theresa]

What is French food?

[Nick Jonas]

French fries. Those are good.

[Theresa]

I don't count. Come on.

[Nick Jonas]

There's a place in the valley that. That'll change your mind about this, I think, called. It's called petite to.

[Theresa]

Oh, I've heard of patuitois.

[Nick Jonas]

It's. It's really good. It's a great environment in there. But there's a dish called. Do you like fish?

[Theresa]

Go for the dish first.

[Nick Jonas]

Okay. It's called like a trout almondine or something. It's so good. It's like citrusy.

[Theresa]

Nope. God, no. No. What? Like butter, but yes, you have. Have you had the. The Dover soul at Giorgio Baldi?

[Nick Jonas]

Yes.

[Theresa]

That is a fish I like.

[Nick Jonas]

It's very good.

[Theresa]

Yeah. But I guess I do like this one French place. Oh, I don't know if it's Italian. Have you ever been to Le Petit Maison?

[Nick Jonas]

I have.

[Theresa]

So that's my favorite restaurant in the entire world, despite it not being my favorite food category.

[Nick Jonas]

Where is it?

[Theresa]

There's one in Cannes and there's one in London.

[Nick Jonas]

Very chic.

[Theresa]

I know. That's why I said it.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, bon Iver.

[Theresa]

It's like, right. And I'm so happy you had that reaction. Do you like Bon Iver?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I do.

[Theresa]

First of all, is your full name Nicholas?

[Nick Jonas]

It is.

[Theresa]

Okay, cool. Because I called you it within the first few minutes and I've been thinking about it ever since. I'm like, what if his full name isn't Nicholas? Because there's a lot of Jakes that aren't Jacob.

[Nick Jonas]

You're Jake Jacob. Jacob.

[Theresa]

Jacob Roscoe. Sound like a villain.

[Nick Jonas]

That's a good name. It's not as good as Jake Shane.

[Theresa]

Of course.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Do you know Debbie Ryan?

[Nick Jonas]

I. Yeah, not well, but we. We've met many times and hung before. She's.

[Theresa]

Her and I, we share a lot of similarities.

[Nick Jonas]

How so?

[Theresa]

Have you ever seen her red carpet interviews?

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, yeah, I love those.

[Theresa]

Yeah. So we call those my Debbie moments. Right then and there. Debbie, that's.

[Nick Jonas]

That's fabulous. Yeah, she's. She's great. And the one with the. Went to Disney Channel and that one is so good.

[Theresa]

Made history.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, that's what we did. I love it.

[Theresa]

Was she Radio Rebel? Yeah, she was Radio Rebel Queen. Shout out. Debbie Ryan.

[Nick Jonas]

She's awesome.

[Theresa]

Who do you keep in touch with from the Disney days?

[Nick Jonas]

Some of the cast of Camp Rock come out for Jonas Khan, which was Joe.

[Theresa]

What?

[Nick Jonas]

Jonas Khan.

[Theresa]

Tell me about Jonas Khan.

[Nick Jonas]

I think we actually tried to get you to come to Jonas Khan.

[Theresa]

I think you did. I must.

[Nick Jonas]

I think moderate, like a. I think

[Theresa]

I was on tour.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. It was basically like what it sounds like, just a convention where it was all Jonas Brothers stuff to celebrate the 20 years. As a part of that, some of the camp broadcast came out, which was great. So keep in touch with them, but outside of that, not really any. Anyone.

[Theresa]

Wow. It's like high school.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. We've all. I mean, we've all grown up and kind of everyone's found their own sort of path in life and journey. And it's beautiful to see. Everyone seems to be doing. Seems to be doing well.

[Theresa]

Tell me about Camp Rock 3.

[Nick Jonas]

Camp Rock 3.

[Theresa]

What can you tell me about Camp Rock 3?

[Nick Jonas]

It is. I can tell you a lot about it. I'm thrilled that it's happening because, you know, those two movies, Camp Rock 1 and 2, really meant a lot to a lot of people all over the world. And it was this incredible big Disney thing that we got to be a part of and know to then now pass the torch onto a new generation is. Is really a special thing. And. And so the concept of the movie is is basically that I don't want to give too much away. But you know, we, we lose our opening act for our big tour, the start of the movie, and then it's a basically about the new generation.

[Theresa]

Oh, and you go to the camp to find.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, it's so fun. So then it's all about them. And they basically take it over and they're so talented, these kids and it was so cool to see, you know, the spark at this early stage in their lives and careers and, and what it's going to become because they're going to, they're going to be massive stars in a matter of no time and, and you know, I'm really excited for a whole new generation of, of people to be introduced to this, this movie.

[Theresa]

Do these kids know, like, who are starring in it, What Camp Rock 1 and 2 meant to us?

[Nick Jonas]

I think they really, they really do understand the, the gravity of it, the weight of it, you know, and what it meant to sort of this generation and what it will mean to the next as well.

[Theresa]

Yeah, that's beautiful. Are you watching any of the Oscar noms this year? Do you ever?

[Nick Jonas]

I watched, I think most of them.

[Theresa]

What's your fave so far?

[Nick Jonas]

I thought, I thought One Battle After. Yeah, of course, was excellent. I would love to work with Paul Tom Sanderson on something. Someday It'll Be a Dream. I thought that Timothy Chalamet was great. Transcendent.

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Marty Supreme. Just an absolutely magnificent performance and, and so entertaining, but also nuanced and just great. I thought he was really good. And then what else have I seen that I really loved?

[Theresa]

Have you seen Train Dreams?

[Nick Jonas]

I've not seen that yet.

[Theresa]

You have to watch Train Dreams.

[Nick Jonas]

Is it really emotional? Am I gonna like cry and stuff?

[Theresa]

Well, have you seen Hamnet?

[Nick Jonas]

I have not seen that either.

[Theresa]

Okay. Because I was about to say it's less emotional than Hamnet, but it's pretty emotional. It's just. Oh, you would love it. It's so good. It's really so good.

[Nick Jonas]

I just know that like, you know, I've been, I've been traveling a lot this, this month. It was on like three 14 plus hour flights. And so I'd like had a lot of things I needed to watch. But when you're like away from your family and you're on a plane by yourself, it's like you just end up getting so depressed if you watch a really sad movie. So I have to like space it out.

[Theresa]

What's the worst travel day you've ever had?

[Nick Jonas]

Well, I've done now. Three trips from the US or Canada to India.

[Theresa]

And how long is that flight?

[Nick Jonas]

Three trips where I went, was on the ground for less than 12 hours and flew back. So in the course of 72 hours, I was on the plane in transit for longer than I was like, on the ground.

[Theresa]

It was rough, but, like, what's a travel day that you're like, I'm really curious to know what, like, I'm about to blow this bitch up.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, yeah.

[Theresa]

Like. Like where you're like, I am going to genuinely crash out. Like, everything is going wrong.

[Nick Jonas]

Like, I, I, yeah, I have an answer to that. So I got on a plane. I was flying from LA to Texas. Something had just happened that had me really bummed out. I can't remember exactly what the thing was, so apparently wasn't that big a deal, but I was really bummed out. And I was traveling by myself. I was like 17 or 18, which is not something I often did because we, you know, most times we have, like, somebody travel with us for. For, you know, security or assistance, something like that, and I was just by myself. So I get on the plane and I'm already, like, bummed. I order a coffee and I go up to use the bathroom. And mind you, I'm wearing white pants on the plane, which is like a missed first mistake. So come back to the bathroom, the coffee's there. And as I'm sitting down, I like, my jacket must have hit it or something and it fell into my seat.

[Theresa]

The coffee?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, it fell into my seat and it was, it was. I was already in motion. I was like, here sitting down and it went ahead. So then it was just in my, like, on my butt, like, soggy butt from this coffee. It was hot. The coffee was hot. And I was just like, already so bummed. And I remember just looking at the person next to me and they had this look of like. Like, it was like, genuinely like, oh. And I just started crying. I just was like,

[Theresa]

Were they comforting?

[Nick Jonas]

They, like, put their hand on my back and I'm just like. It was really funny. No, I mean, it's funny now, but I was so angry and the flight was super turbulent. I'm not good with.

[Theresa]

Oh, I love turbulence.

[Nick Jonas]

You love turp.

[Theresa]

Why? It's like you're like. Like a roller coaster, like, rocking, asleep.

[Nick Jonas]

See, my daughter, she's four. She is the same way.

[Theresa]

And I think it's amazing because what's her birthday?

[Nick Jonas]

Just passed January 15th.

[Theresa]

Oh, Capricorn.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, she loves turbines. She puts her hands up like, this. And she thinks it's a ride.

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

But it stresses me out.

[Theresa]

It is a ride.

[Nick Jonas]

But yeah.

[Theresa]

I was about to say, what's the worst that could happen? But a plane crash?

[Nick Jonas]

You know, we think we know. Yeah.

[Theresa]

Are you ever scared of plane crashes? Actually, Glenn Powell once told me a story. You guys. You guys were flying and you had to land, and the pilot came out and was like. We literally almost just, like, seriously died.

[Nick Jonas]

It was super hot in the cabin, and we were sitting in the tarmac for a while, is the middle of summer. And we basically took off. And I could tell right away something was off because it. We were not going fast enough. And I was like, what is. What is going on? So someone went up to check and the pilots were, like, just waving him back to the seat. And he came back and he was scared shitless. And basically one of. There's two power sources on a plane, and. And that's basically every plane, is what I've been told. And one of them failed and the other then failed. So they were. They were pulling the. Whatever it's called, the steering wheel, I guess, back to keep the plane in the air because we're just gliding back basically to the. To the airport, but we were not far enough away that we could. We could get back. And we were all thankfully safely on the ground, but the pilots were. Were visibly shaken up, and it was actually, like, pretty frightening.

[Theresa]

Oh, I'm so sorry.

[Nick Jonas]

Actually, yeah, it was terrifying.

[Theresa]

That is so scary.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

On the contrary. Do you guys still make your popcorn? Yes, it is delicious.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm glad you like it. Backstage popcorn.

[Theresa]

Shout out. Yes, it is amazing. Pop. You have this popcorn. They served it on the flight to the Jonas Brothers concert in Vegas that I went to with Larry, and I thought, this is just delicious.

[Nick Jonas]

It's so good.

[Theresa]

It is so, so good.

[Nick Jonas]

And we're building out more backstage brand stuff, so they'll be fine. There'll be more. We love snacks.

[Theresa]

I love snacks.

[Nick Jonas]

What's your favorite snack? Not olives.

[Theresa]

Popcorn.

[Nick Jonas]

I've never really been a pirate spoo

[Theresa]

fan, but your daughter.

[Nick Jonas]

Daughter loves it. And so I started eating it and I'm like, this is great.

[Theresa]

Have you ever had the veggie one? Fire.

[Nick Jonas]

I like veggie sticks. Those are.

[Theresa]

I'm so sorry.

[Nick Jonas]

You don't like those. You didn't know the ones I'm talking about. They're like a.

[Theresa]

Of course. Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

Yes. The ranch flavor is really good. Zesty Ranch. It's called Zesty Ranch. It's so good.

[Theresa]

Yeah, I Just.

[Nick Jonas]

I don't know why.

[Theresa]

It's like the pea snaps. You know, the little pea snaps. Hate those.

[Nick Jonas]

Those can.

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

No disrespect. You've earned your disrespect.

[Theresa]

And I hate sun chips. Really? Yeah. Hate.

[Nick Jonas]

That's interesting. I. I would have thought you would like a sun chip.

[Theresa]

Why would you think that?

[Nick Jonas]

Because it's. It's. They're yummy. And you like other things that taste like that.

[Theresa]

Like what?

[Nick Jonas]

Like popcorn can taste like that.

[Theresa]

No, popcorn does not taste like sun chips.

[Nick Jonas]

I don't know.

[Theresa]

Sorry. I feel like I'm yelling at you. I'm sorry.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm having a great time.

[Theresa]

Well, Nick, what are you therapist about today?

[Nick Jonas]

I have Z.

[Theresa]

Where?

[Nick Jonas]

Right here.

[Theresa]

Oh, my God. I thought that was a mole.

[Nick Jonas]

This is it. It's so annoying. It's like. It's like pressure on there too, so.

[Theresa]

Oh, it hurts. Are you do. Are you gonna pop it?

[Nick Jonas]

I. I like to pop zits.

[Theresa]

Well, you have great skin.

[Nick Jonas]

I thank you. So do you.

[Theresa]

Thank you.

[Nick Jonas]

I can tell you drink a lot of water.

[Theresa]

Yep.

[Nick Jonas]

Everyone keeps telling you that, right?

[Theresa]

Everyone. Wait, but I really thought that was a mole. So shout out your hair and makeup because it looks. I never thought for a second that it was it.

[Nick Jonas]

I. Yeah, this is it. And it's. It's so annoying. That's what I'm pissed about today.

[Theresa]

Okay. Well, I'm pissed about. There's this show I want to watch, and I'm so behind, and it's like the traitors, and I really want to watch it, but I'm so behind, so I have to watch all. I have to catch up. And catching up on a show that's like live on air is just so annoying.

[Nick Jonas]

Frustrating.

[Theresa]

It's so hard to do. It's so frustrating. The most intense time I ever had to do that was. Did you ever watch Scandal?

[Nick Jonas]

No, I, I. But I get it.

[Theresa]

So what do you watch?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, what do you watch?

[Theresa]

What do you watch?

[Nick Jonas]

I watched squid games, which I love.

[Theresa]

I never finished it out so good. Did you finish it?

[Nick Jonas]

I did.

[Theresa]

How was the ending?

[Nick Jonas]

Satisfying.

[Theresa]

Satisfying?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. I don't give anything away to people watch, but it was. It was satisfying. I. I've also started watching Pluribus.

[Theresa]

Okay, me too. I. I haven't finished it yet, but I love Vince. Gilligan. Galligan. Gilligan. Gilligan, Gilligan. Okay, cool. I love him because I love Breaking Bad. Have you seen Breaking Bad?

[Nick Jonas]

I have started Breaking Bad twice, and.

[Theresa]

Okay, so let me tell you why it's so good because back in the day before people would, like, cancel shows after one season. They used to, like, let them breathe. And, like, Breaking Bad gets really, really, really, really, really good in season three. And isn't that a.

[Nick Jonas]

It's just tough to.

[Theresa]

No, no. It's so worth it. It's so worth it that two seasons

[Nick Jonas]

from now, it's gonna be a.

[Theresa]

It's kind of like a similar show is.

[Nick Jonas]

I know Breaking Bad's the best show ever made, so I. It is giving it the respect it deserves. I'm just saying the concept of, like, oh, just because even someone else said something recently. I was Kevin Jonas. He's like, oh, you just have to stick with it. There's like a. You know, it dips for, like, three, four episodes, and then it's like, these are hours of my life. I'm not just gonna commit to it.

[Theresa]

Like, I could be too. It's so worth it. There are these moments that you're just. It feels like God is coming down and holding you. Yeah. And being like, isn't this show so good? Like.

[Nick Jonas]

But I. I've been recently. More and more, I've just been turning off me too. If I get 20 minutes in.

[Theresa]

Wow. Really loud. Sorry.

[Nick Jonas]

It's the voice of God.

[Theresa]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

If I get 20 minutes in, it doesn't hook me. I used to stick with it and, like, watch for the whole thing. Now I was like, no, I got other options. Okay.

[Theresa]

Can I give you a good rack?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Industry.

[Nick Jonas]

I watched the first season of Industry. I need to watch the next two.

[Theresa]

But similar to Breaking Bad, it only gets better. It only gets season three.

[Nick Jonas]

I mean, I have actually a really fond memory of Industry because I. We were. My wife and I were in our house, and power went out in our neighborhood, and we did, like, a date night candle it at our home with the iPad on watching Industry. And it was, like, so sweet.

[Theresa]

So sweet. How'd you guys meet?

[Nick Jonas]

We met on Twitter.

[Theresa]

What?

[Nick Jonas]

So I was driving down Sunset Boulevard and I saw the poster for Quantico. She was on it. I was like, wow, she's gorgeous. Mutual friend of ours was like, you guys should meet. You really hit it off. And I was like, connect us. And he never did, actually, but it was enough of an indication for me to know. Okay, so the. Maybe the doors open there. Because she seemed to be into the idea as well. Anyway, I went on Twitter and saw

[Theresa]

that she followed me past feeling ever.

[Nick Jonas]

I was pumped. And then I direct messaged her. She got back to me shortly thereafter, and we were just friends. For like a year and a half, two years.

[Theresa]

How do you have the patience?

[Nick Jonas]

So I reached out, was like, hey, can we give us a real go and go on a date? You know? And she was like, yeah, being I'll be in LA next week. And. And we had. We had already gone to the Met gala together, basically because we were both dressed by Ralph Lauren Shout Out. Ralph Lauren Shout Out.

[Theresa]

Sydney.

[Nick Jonas]

Sydney. Yeah, Sydney Special. So we go on this date. We go to. I said, I'm like, hey, let's go see the. The live version of Beauty and the Beast at the Hollywood Bowl. Which was a fun first date idea. I was like, but let's bring some friends. So it's like less pressure. So it was like a group, right? Hang in case, like, she. It wasn't the vibe.

[Theresa]

Oh, respectful.

[Nick Jonas]

And so she brought her best friend. I brought Kevin and another couple friend of ours, Greg and Paris, and we had like the absolute best time at the show. We went for drinks somewhere after and Joe knew I was really excited about the state, so he sent us shots of milk from wherever he was in the world, which was hilarious.

[Theresa]

Shots of milk? Yeah, like an inside joke.

[Nick Jonas]

It's like, I don't know, I just thought it would be funny and it kind of was. Yeah. And then Kevin was being a wingman.

[Theresa]

Good for Kevin.

[Nick Jonas]

But he was. Yeah, he was. I was overly hyping me up though, in front of her. She's like, oh. He's like, you know, someone bring up like baseball or something. Kevin would be like, oh, Nick could have gone pro. He could have been a pro baseball player. The most Jersey thing ever. And it was very sweet. She obviously was like, your brother's really, like, guessing you. It's like he wants this to go well. And then it did.

[Theresa]

And now you're married.

[Nick Jonas]

We French kissed that night.

[Theresa]

Oh, chills. Wait, so are you from north, south or Central Jersey?

[Nick Jonas]

North Jersey.

[Theresa]

Is that near Philly?

[Nick Jonas]

Sorry, what were you counting?

[Theresa]

Like? I was just like, it's.

[Nick Jonas]

It's not near.

[Theresa]

Is north near New York?

[Nick Jonas]

Yes, it was 45 minutes from the city.

[Theresa]

Oh, okay. Okay. We have a friend that lives in South Jersey.

[Nick Jonas]

South Jersey is like a different.

[Theresa]

Yeah. You guys call.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. The pork roll.

[Theresa]

Tina Ham.

[Nick Jonas]

Taylor Ham.

[Theresa]

Taylor Ham. What do you guys call it? Taylor Ham.

[Nick Jonas]

I call it Taylor Hamilton.

[Theresa]

Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

Pork roll. Sounds crazy to me.

[Theresa]

Pork roll.

[Nick Jonas]

It's like. But people are really passionate about this argument and it's a whole thing. It, like divides the state, basically.

[Theresa]

It really does. Like, people are really insane about it.

[Nick Jonas]

They're really insane about it.

[Theresa]

Like, really and truly.

[Nick Jonas]

Have you ever tried it?

[Theresa]

A pork roll?

[Nick Jonas]

Taylor Him.

[Theresa]

Oh, I guess I call it a pork roll. Yeah, I have. No, I haven't. I lied.

[Nick Jonas]

It's like, it's, it's just like ham but processed. Well, the weird part is it's not the pork roll or Taylor ham is just the. The meat.

[Theresa]

Right. It's what goes in it that matters.

[Nick Jonas]

It's delicious. And it's got so much salt in it. It's just incredible. Like on an egg sandwich. Taylor ham, egg and cheese. What you say?

[Theresa]

Oh, I would get a bacon, egg and cheese in the morning.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. So this is Taylor ham. It's the same thing.

[Theresa]

Same. Same idea.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Okay, should we get into the tell me what's wrongs? Do you know what those are?

[Nick Jonas]

I think so.

[Theresa]

Where people write in and we get advice?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Okay. Do you care if I go pee because I have a really small bladder.

[Nick Jonas]

I don't care at all.

[Theresa]

Okay. I'm going to go be now.

[Nick Jonas]

Do you think?

[Theresa]

Okay. I've been with my boyfriend for over three years now, and he hates pda, but I really don't. He won't kiss me or even hold my hand in public unless he's drunk. Okay. Even that. It's not for long. It makes me feel like he's embarrassed being with me. Me. I'm his first boyfriend. As he's ever only dated. Oh. As he has only ever dated girls in the past. What do I do? Girl. Girl, I can, I can take this one.

[Nick Jonas]

Yes.

[Theresa]

He.

[Nick Jonas]

You can't.

[Theresa]

It's time to break up. It's internalized homophobia. You don't think it's breakup? No. Please speak. You're. She's a gay man trapped in a woman's body.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, it's his new thing.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

I don't know if breaking up is. I think it's about the conversation with them. It's like, I understand where you're coming from, you know? Like, I don't think you just break up. Like, if it is internalized homophobia and maybe even like some insecurity, I think they, they should work, talk and work through it and.

[Theresa]

Yeah, I, I.

[Cassidy Michaela Brown]

You know what I mean?

[Theresa]

Yeah, no, totally. I love PDA because it makes me so. Like, I can't. I wouldn't be able to do that. Do you like pdi?

[Nick Jonas]

I do, yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's kind of a weird. I like being affectionate with my wife, you know, but. But you ever think about writing a book? I would love to.

[Theresa]

You have a way with words. Sorry. Continue.

[Nick Jonas]

I. I co. Sign these takes.

[Theresa]

Which one?

[Nick Jonas]

Well, you're saying the same thing, right?

[Theresa]

I said break up.

[Nick Jonas]

She says conversation first, but it probably leads to a breakup.

[Theresa]

I hate conversation in general. I mean, like, I hate, like, intense conversations. Conversations.

[Nick Jonas]

Homophobia has no place anywhere, so. No.

[Theresa]

No, it does not.

[Nick Jonas]

See you.

[Theresa]

Have you ever seen Hillary Duff's? Hey, you can't say that.

[Nick Jonas]

Iconic.

[Theresa]

Iconic. My friend is always in a bad mood because she's always hungover and sick. So she's an alcoholic. In return, she makes my life miserable, which sucks. And I kind of want to give it back to her. By getting her fired from her job? By telling upper management that she comes in drunk sometimes. Also maybe telling her boyfriend that she actually hates him. So. What the fuck is wrong with you? This would be my way of dumping her as a friend. Okay. Oh, also, she is my manager, too. And then I would get to just quit after. Is this insane? I obsessed, by the way. Let me just say something really quickly. Obsessed with the context given because I was so confused. So let me. Do you understand that or do you need me to paint the picture?

[Nick Jonas]

I need the picture painted.

[Theresa]

Okay. This girl and her best friend work at the same job, right?

[Nick Jonas]

The best friend is the manager.

[Theresa]

The best friend is the manager.

[Nick Jonas]

Alcoholic one.

[Theresa]

The alcoholic one. And so she wants to tell upper management that she's a mess. So at the end of the day, just sounds like she's not your friend.

[Nick Jonas]

It sounds really messy and like. Like there's already. She wants. She wants revenge. She was. You know what I mean?

[Theresa]

I don't.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm curious. Does she want that job? Is that what she. Is that the hidden motive behind us?

[Theresa]

Well, it could be she wants to

[Nick Jonas]

get a fire so she can slip in there and be the manager.

[Theresa]

But what would you. Like, what would you do? This is. Oh, my God. Like, what would you. I don't know what I would do. I wouldn't tell up her management. That is so sneaky, I think. And bad karma.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I think it's. It's bad. It's bad news all around. I think you probably. Probably just need to have a conversation like, hey, your behavior is crazy. Chill the out. Or I'm going to go tell upper management that you've been drinking.

[Theresa]

The job a threat.

[Nick Jonas]

It doesn't sound like there's any HR department at this place because she's about to go nuts.

[Theresa]

She could anonymously report if there was.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. Or maybe there is an hr and then that's the best path. Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

[Theresa]

Yeah. My roommate talks to her hamster like it's a human. I thought this was kind of cute at first, but she has full conversations with it and laughs at what the hamster and laughs at what the hamster quotes says. It's starting to freak me out a little. Actually a lot. And I'm wondering if I need to talk to her or something or if I should just let it be like, is this a bit? Or is she crazy? I just, like, let. Let go and let. God. If it makes her happy.

[Nick Jonas]

If it makes her happy. But it would. It would concern me to.

[Theresa]

To live with someone.

[Nick Jonas]

Live with someone who you thought might be a complete, like, psycho person. I'm gonna say psychopath because that gives it, like a distinction thing. And it sounds scared of getting sounds

[Theresa]

like canceled, cancelable for saying psychopath.

[Nick Jonas]

But it's. It sounds like that.

[Theresa]

Okay, so what would I prescribe to that? What's the thing where they talk to animals, babe?

[Nick Jonas]

Was that the Eddie Murphy movie? Do Little.

[Theresa]

Yeah, Do Little. I prescribe Doolittle.

[Nick Jonas]

Detective Doolittle.

[Theresa]

Detective Doolittle.

[Nick Jonas]

I loved that movie.

[Theresa]

My mother gets really flirty with my friends whenever she's had some wine and we're over visiting. Sometimes it's funny, but sometimes she goes a little too far into the quote bit, saying things like, you're exactly the type I would have gone after in college, etcetera, As a joke. But I don't know if it's a joke and it's so embarrassing. She just brushes it off by saying, I'm sensitive every time I bring it up. So what do I do? Well, your mom is gaslighting you, my dear. Right.

[Nick Jonas]

I can use more context on this one, too.

[Theresa]

I would just stop bringing my friends over and be like. And if she's like, why did you stop bringing your friends over? It's because, like, you're weird and they think you're weird too. That's the always way to get someone. They also think it, like, that's what you have to say. They think so too, because it's you. Like, well, they don't think that. No, everyone's been talking about it, actually, and they all think that. And then she'll be like, so embarrassed and be like, oh, my God, really? They think that because they're the ones she's trying to impress. So you have to be like, they all think that. That's why they're not coming over anymore.

[Nick Jonas]

I had someone say it to me one Time, like, and you know everyone. I'm like, hold up. I just talked to everybody. Nobody brought that. I. I didn't.

[Theresa]

Isn't it the most feeling?

[Nick Jonas]

But I had. I. I wasn't even slightly convinced. I was like, actually, I just had a little quorum with. Everyone talked about this and nobody said that.

[Theresa]

And they're like such a Virgo. Yeah, you are such a Virgo. That is the most Virgo thing ever.

[Nick Jonas]

Like, they wouldn't. They wouldn't say it to your face, Mike. But they would.

[Theresa]

But would they?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

All my friends are hooking up with my twin brother. Oh, that's weird. One of my best friends was who was staying with me literally left my room while I was asleep and slept with him. I'm a very non confrontational person, but it's been like six of my closest friends. Oh my God, your brother must be so hot. Six of my closest friends who have hooked up with him. How do I get them to stop? Please help. Sending love from South Africa. It is so funny that this person is from South Africa because I had to do a South African accent in an audition I filmed right before this.

[Nick Jonas]

How'd it go?

[Theresa]

Horribly.

[Nick Jonas]

It's a tough accent.

[Theresa]

Manny said you sound southern. It was really, really.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Theresa]

It was rough.

[Nick Jonas]

Tough auditions are. Are.

[Theresa]

But it was a self tape.

[Nick Jonas]

So like, you know, still.

[Theresa]

But okay. So how I would say to my friends, like, stop. But I don't know, honestly.

[Nick Jonas]

That's a tough one. It sounds. Sounds like your friends might be more into.

[Theresa]

They're all hanging out with you for your brother.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, girl, that's tough. New friends. I guess.

[Theresa]

But then you have always room new friends. The threat of like, my brother's hot.

[Nick Jonas]

That's so tricky.

[Theresa]

There's a movie like this. Clueless. Yeah. I prescribe Clueless.

[Nick Jonas]

Okay.

[Theresa]

I got caught red handed in a very large web of lies just so I didn't have to hang out with this girl who likes me. And by the way, save it with the judgy stuff. Damn clocked me because I'm just not like that. I had told this girl I couldn't hang out because I was sick. Later that night, I went to the mall to go see a movie. And when I walked into the. When I walked into the theater, she's literally sitting there and sees me. I left and she followed me and confronted me in the lobby. Good for her. I told her I lied because I like to go to the movies alone. Idk some. That didn't do well either. Because I literally went to the movies with her and her friends the other week anyways. How the do I stop white lying? Will you just stop?

[Nick Jonas]

You just stop.

[Theresa]

But, like, honestly, like, that's fine. You want to hang out with her. What are you supposed to do? Clearly, you were scared to tell her the truth, that you didn't want to hang out with her. So that's not your friend. I tell my friends all the time, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to pay in. My best friend Peyton was like, let's get couples massages on Valentine's Day before we go out to dinner and drink. And I was like, I don't think I want to do that anymore. So I said, I don't want to do that anymore. It's going to make me tired.

[Nick Jonas]

They said what?

[Theresa]

She said, you're bizarre.

[Nick Jonas]

Sorry. This is a funny way to put that.

[Theresa]

You're unwell.

[Nick Jonas]

You're unwell. Well, it's totally your. Here's. I. I have a potentially controversial hot take.

[Theresa]

Tell me.

[Nick Jonas]

It's should be totally acceptable to be like, I like you. You're my friend. I don't want to hang out tonight. I just don't want. It doesn't have to be like, I have this other thing I'm doing.

[Theresa]

Oh, okay. Like, you don't have to. Right.

[Nick Jonas]

So you just be like, hey, let's. We can. Let's be friend. Like, nothing changes. However, tonight in particular or tomorrow, I don't really want to do that thing. I want to sit on my couch or do something else.

[Theresa]

But I would say, stop white lying now, because, yeah, you have to. It gets. It gets to a point where they become bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, and then you don't know how to stop. It's kind of like kleptomania.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

I can't lie because my ocd. I have to tell you when I'm lying. I can't. I literally can't do it.

[Nick Jonas]

It's good. That's good, though.

[Theresa]

It is. But it's also exhausting because sometimes I really would like to lie and just be like, I'm sick. But I can't say I'm sick, because then I'll get sick.

[Nick Jonas]

There's a movie that I'll prescribe to you.

[Theresa]

Oh, tell me.

[Nick Jonas]

It's called the Invention of Lying. You ever seen it?

[Theresa]

No.

[Nick Jonas]

It's a Ricky Gervais movie, and I've always thought it would be a great musical.

[Theresa]

Well, hello, Mr. Broadway.

[Nick Jonas]

So if someone's watching this. That has the rights to it. Let me know. But it's. It's this whole idea that he's the first person who can lie in a world where everyone just says the truth.

[Theresa]

O love that.

[Nick Jonas]

And.

[Theresa]

Oh, that would make a great musical.

[Nick Jonas]

It's so good.

[Theresa]

You know what you should do before this episode drops? You should inquire about the rights.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I will.

[Theresa]

Just to make sure. Because, like, you know, that is, like, a really.

[Nick Jonas]

What a crazy story of, like, three years from now, we're at the. The Broadway premiere, and you're there in it, in the show.

[Theresa]

Okay. Period. Do you have any advice for me on Broadway? Because I'm, like, so stressed out.

[Nick Jonas]

Loki, you're gonna crush it. There's that. I mean, you have all the. The tools you need to. To do a great job on Broadway.

[Theresa]

Oh.

[Nick Jonas]

The only advice I would give you is just to. In. And this is going to sound so cliche, but actually take some time to. To enjoy it. It's. It's like a crazy schedule. Eight shows a week.

[Theresa]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

And it's. It's a lot of work.

[Theresa]

I'm stressed.

[Nick Jonas]

But it's so rewarding. And you, like. It's really important to, like, pat yourself on the back and take a second in between shows some days just to, like, feel it, because it's a. It's a pretty magical thing.

[Theresa]

Okay. I'm really excited. Will you come see the show if you're in New York?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I'd love to.

[Theresa]

Are you gonna be in New York, like, within the next month at all, or.

[Nick Jonas]

No, I'm sure I will be. I don't. I don't know. I don't have plans right this second to be in New York, but I'm always there.

[Theresa]

So you let me know.

[Nick Jonas]

I'll let you know, and I'll. Hopefully you'll sign my playbill and I'll, you know, see after the show.

[Theresa]

I'm really upset with concert etiquette these days, and last night, it got out of hand. I was in the pit and I lit and I literally. And I literally couldn't see anything because I'm sure. And everyone is filming the st. Later in the evening, the artist literally pointed my sign out and laughed at it. Only for a total stranger next to me to take credit for it. Oh, live music is so incredible, and I know you feel the same. So what in the world can I do to remedy this? I don't know. It's hard because in this day and age, if you confront someone, like, they could Always be like filming you.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Being like. And then you're like, oh, like. You know what I mean? And so it's like so scared to. You're. It's like a scary environment to speak your mind. But I don't know. I don't know if there's an answer for that. I think we might just be.

[Nick Jonas]

I fear that we're. We're as well.

[Theresa]

Okay.

[Nick Jonas]

But concert etiquette is. Is important. And if. If you are on the shorter side, let's get some platform heels or something and get some high lift shoes and that's going to help.

[Theresa]

I'm so sure.

[Nick Jonas]

Sight line some. Some, you know, baby stilts.

[Theresa]

How tall are you?

[Nick Jonas]

Five, eight.

[Theresa]

Really?

[Nick Jonas]

But. But not quite.

[Theresa]

You seem taller.

[Nick Jonas]

No way.

[Theresa]

Yes. I'm five' three and I seem shorter.

[Nick Jonas]

You seem taller than five' three.

[Theresa]

Really?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

How tall? Like, would you guess like five, six, or seven? Shut up. No, Nick. Okay, stop. Shut up. Like, I just got out of my first serious relationship of seven years. I'm post grad now, and I've realized I don't know how to be single. Well, I have the perfect prescription for this, like, at all. My last few years of high school and the eternity of. And the entirety of college was spent all with the same guy. I don't want to talk about the breakup, but what is a single girl in New York supposed to do? I don't even know how to talk to people anymore, much less flirt. Help watch how to Be Single with Dakota Johnson.

[Nick Jonas]

How to be single.

[Theresa]

That's literally the premise of how to Be Single with Dakota Johnson.

[Nick Jonas]

When did that come out?

[Theresa]

2015.

[Nick Jonas]

I'll check it out.

[Theresa]

I totally just, like, made up a date that sounded right, but do you know the clip where she's like, home, I'm going home. Oh, yeah, that's from that.

[Nick Jonas]

Got it.

[Theresa]

Got it. Hey, Jake, an amazing guest. You. My screen time is out of control. I delete apps like Instagram and Tick Tock to Tick Tock to stay off of them. And at the end of the day, I've re downloaded them. It's so bad. I'm just staying up late into the night scrolling. I know you love your phone, but what. But what do you do to not let it consume your entire life?

[Nick Jonas]

I. I've tried the but like thing where it limits.

[Theresa]

Yeah, screen time doesn't work.

[Nick Jonas]

It doesn't work. You just immediately X out of that. Like, I'll do it tomorrow. The advice that I've been given by others because I've said the Same thing with my screen time is out of control. Is to leave your phone in another room when you sleep. Can't do it.

[Theresa]

No. So what I. My advice is to watch a television show and get invested into a television show or read a book or. Or watch a movie. You know, like, obviously you like to be alone with your thoughts, and that's why you like your phone, right?

[Nick Jonas]

You don't.

[Theresa]

You're making a face. You don't agree. Okay, so I would start a TV show.

[Nick Jonas]

Start a TV show?

[Theresa]

Yeah, that's how I get off my phone. Specifically subtitled. Start Dark. So you can't go on your phone or else you don't know what they're saying. And don't dub it because that makes it worse. Have you ever seen Dark?

[Nick Jonas]

No.

[Theresa]

The greatest show of all time.

[Nick Jonas]

You ever seen Lupin? It's a French Netflix show.

[Theresa]

No, but I've heard of it. What's that about?

[Nick Jonas]

Like, it's a. It's based on a. A book series. A very famous French book series called Lupin. And he's like a detective slash thief. Whatever. It's so good. You must watch it.

[Theresa]

I'll watch it. Ever since being hired, I've been making an effort to be friends with my manager, but she's made it so hard with her attitude. But I always just gave her the benefit of the doubt. A couple of weeks ago, she fired the closest friend I work with. And ever since, it's been so awkward. Mind you, we're the same age and it seems like she's just trying to get rid of me. She wasn't always like this, by the way. But last night she just blamed her up on me to the big boss. Now I'm in trouble. What do I do? Quit if you can. That sounds horrible. Or tell on her.

[Nick Jonas]

The same age details.

[Theresa]

Yeah, she's like, trying to, like, be better than.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, not a vibe.

[Theresa]

Hey, Jake and guest. I'm 23 and wondering how does one get over the fear of being loved and start to open up for a potential relationship? I'm a happy person, but feel so isolated from others because I don't get dating. Like, it often seems embarrassing and like a waste of time and I'd rather just stick to myself. However, I know I can't live like this forever. So what are some tips? I have none, so I'm just gonna. That's for you.

[Nick Jonas]

It is a scary thing to open up and be vulnerable with. With people and to allow the possibility of heartbreak down the line should it not work out. Yolo,

[Theresa]

really? Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

You only live once.

[Theresa]

And do you remember when that dropped?

[Nick Jonas]

That was fire.

[Theresa]

The world shifted.

[Nick Jonas]

It's kind of like Ed Hardy now. It's, like, ironic. Like, you could say it, and it's funny, but at the time. At the time, it was, like, for serious. It was very serious. But I. I do think that that's kind of true, though. It's like, you know, what's that famous quote? Is it better to not try? You've never loved at all

[Theresa]

that one. What's your favorite quote of all time?

[Nick Jonas]

Favorite quote of all time? Well, it's from my favorite movie of all time, Goodwill hunting. Had to go see about a girl. It's a great line. What is it? So Robin Williams tells Matt Damon's character a story about how he didn't go to this baseball game with all his friends. And they, you know, it was like a legendary game that he missed. And all his friends were, like, upset with him for not going. And then Matt Damon's basically like, what did your friends say when you. Nothing. It's like, what'd you tell him? He's like, told him I had to go see about a girl. So later on the movie, when Matt Damon does the same thing, takes that leap of faith and goes and chases after this girl, he leaves a note for his old friend.

[Theresa]

Oh, my God. I don't think I've ever seen goodwill hunting.

[Nick Jonas]

Well, you just saw it. I just. I know the one, man.

[Theresa]

Beautiful.

[Nick Jonas]

It's a great, great movie.

[Theresa]

I think my favorite quote of all time is the banana peel one. I have.

[Nick Jonas]

Love that.

[Theresa]

Maybe the quote that Hannah says. About what? What? Do I have a favorite quote? It's probably the Lena Dunham one. Anything you could have said to me, I've already said to myself ten times in the past hour. Also, I don't even know if that's right. But also the entirety of the Taylor Swift song the Archer, that entire thing as a quote, I could have that tattooed all over my body. All of my enemies started out. Friends, help me hold on to you.

[Nick Jonas]

That's nice.

[Theresa]

And that. That really does it for me. That was the end of the tell me what's wrongs.

[Nick Jonas]

Well, that was fun.

[Theresa]

Did you have fun?

[Nick Jonas]

I had a great time.

[Theresa]

I had a really good time with you.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm glad to hear that.

[Theresa]

Oh, did you have a good time?

[Nick Jonas]

I had a great time with you.

[Theresa]

Okay, cool.

[Nick Jonas]

It was super fun. Learned a lot.

[Theresa]

Would you. Oh, what did we learn today?

[Nick Jonas]

I learned about plotting against your manager, and that was. That was crazy. Actually.

[Theresa]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

Kind of wild. No. I learned a lot about you. I got to ask you a lot of questions as well, which was nice. Which I hoped it would be conversation and less like an interview, so I'm glad it was nice.

[Theresa]

Do you feel as though it was?

[Nick Jonas]

I felt like we had a great conversation. I learned a lot about you.

[Theresa]

Okay. I learned a lot about you, too. And I kind of want to, like, hang out now.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, let's. Let's go get Indian food.

[Theresa]

What? Should we. Would you.

[Nick Jonas]

I have to go sign CDs.

[Theresa]

No, no, no. But not totally. Like, I meant, like, you know, eventually sign cities.

[Nick Jonas]

I have to go hand print albums, actually. Which is, in theory, was, like, a really fun idea, because this song called Handprints in the album.

[Theresa]

It's great.

[Nick Jonas]

Thank you. I swear to God, like, doing this over and over again for, like, two or three hours. I'm getting carpal tunnel in my hand.

[Theresa]

Yeah, for sure.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Theresa]

Well, I learned about the Disney Channel games and Send It On.

[Nick Jonas]

Love it.

[Theresa]

And I also learned about the process behind your new album, Sunday Best, which is out now.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, no. And Nick, break a leg on Broadway.

[Theresa]

Thank you. And thank you for coming on Therapists.

[Nick Jonas]

Thanks for having me.

[Theresa]

My.

[Nick Jonas]

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