Session 109: Rob Rausch

Summary

Therapuss with Jake Shane

Session 109: Rob Rausch

Date: March 12, 2026
Host: Jake Shane
Guest: Rob Rausch

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Overview

In this vibrant and candid session of Therapuss, Jake Shane welcomes Rob Rausch—star of Love Island and The Traitors—for an unfiltered conversation that blends tongue-in-cheek humor with genuine introspection. The episode features tales of reality TV strategy, the complexities of public perception, love languages, wild animal encounters, and plenty of life advice for listeners’ submitted dramas. With the hallmark warmth and wit of Jake's style, the episode is both a hilarious and thoughtful dive into what it means to stay true to yourself in the public eye.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up with Peyton (00:53 - 12:31)

• Peyton’s “Crash Out” Story:
  • Peyton describes being “dogged” by a returning romantic interest: "I was disrespected." (01:21)
  • She details DM'ing an old flame, being ghosted again, and the resulting emotional spiral—including a silent three-day sulk and buying crystals for emotional protection.
  • Memorable moment: Peyton's cathartic realization about moving in silence and the importance of honesty with friends.
  • Notable quote: "I moved to New York. I feel like it’s going to go my way. And it didn’t, which is fine." (04:40)
  • Emotional fallout from feeling used for her city recommendations: “Do I give, like, TripAdvisor?” (04:52)
  • Jake and Peyton celebrate getting apartment approval live on air—“Get your bags and run.” (11:36)
• Peyton & Jake's Friendship:
  • Reminisce about wild Vegas adventures and discuss plans to attend a snack expo together.
  • Humorous riffing on sleepovers and their unique dynamic.

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2. Introducing Rob Rausch (12:36 - 13:53)

• Jake welcomes Rob with playful banter, referencing Rob’s reality TV reputation: “The most strategic, thoughtful and conniving traitor of all time.”
• Rob admits he’s a bit shy but excited for the podcast: “They’ve been working you like a dog." "I was happy to do this.” (13:14)

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3. Reality TV Deep Dive: The Traitors & Love Island (13:53 - 31:56)

• Rob’s Traitors Strategy (13:45 - 16:35):
  • Rob shares his approach to the final roundtable: planning to vote out Tara, then Eric, “and then win the game.” (13:53)
  • On Maura’s role and the significance of loyalty and betrayal.
  • Paying back the favor: Rob announces he’s buying Maura a Birkin for her loyalty—Jake is invited to help pick it out. (14:27)
  • “She deserves it. Like, in my opinion, she was the best traitor.” (15:01)
• Biggest Game Mistakes (15:20):
  • Voting dynamics and loss of trust: “There’s no trust here in this turret.” (15:53)
• Faithful vs. Traitor—Would Jake Survive? (16:14):
  • Rob questions Jake’s ability to remain chill: “You’d be a bad traitor.” (16:22)
• Being on Reality TV (29:13 - 31:47):
  • The unique pain of being spoken about online “as if you’re just a character, but that’s actually you.” (30:20)
  • Rob honestly shares that Love Island trauma made internet criticism on Traitors worse.
• Family, Allies, & Life Post-TV:
  • Rob grew up homeschooled, found high school socially challenging, and is tight with friends and family.
  • “I was just weird. … hand-me-downs from my cousins. … I really stand out.” (23:18)
  • Virginian pride/rivalries and biting references: “Roll Tide.” “Not really like [Friday Night Lights] because we weren’t that good.” (24:18)
  • Love for southern food: “Biscuits and gravy,” “gumbo.” (24:51)
  • Rob is “100%” Alabama at heart, loves riding his motorcycle, and values staying true to his roots.

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4. Personal Philosophies and Pop Culture

• Mental Health & Coping with Fame:
  • Dealing with anxiety by riding motorcycles and spending time on non-career-related things: “Doing something that has nothing to do with myself … is so good.” (57:19)
  • “Just being yourself—if people don’t like you, you move on … but if you act for others, that’s what hurts.” (59:03)
• Hobbies & Music:
  • Loves catching snakes, shares tales of rare finds in Malta, and why snakes are beautiful and misunderstood. (43:02)
  • Deep indie music fan—recommends Ash Tuesday, Brian James, Oasis; chat about Bon Iver’s “Sable Fable.” (37:32)
• Random Fun:
  • Pull-up competitions, gym routines, and joking about pretty privilege.
  • Southern nostalgia—debating Taco Mama and small-town food spots.
  • Interest in conspiracy theories: “My favorite one is Agartha… the Earth is hollow. There’s aliens in there.” (26:02)
  • Jake details getting Botox and the effect it had on his jawline, with Rob playfully supportive.

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5. Relationships, Love Languages, and Authenticity

• Rob’s Romantic Life:
  • Rob is in a relationship: “She understands me and she's very similar to me in the way she communicates her emotions.” (50:01)
  • Love language: “Quality time … and acts of service.” (50:16)
• Broader Reflections:
  • Both discuss the importance of authenticity in relationships and life.
  • Candid about the struggles of making friends and dating after moving cities.

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6. Notable Guest Appearance: Lisa Rinna (66:13 - 69:38)

• Surprise FaceTime with Lisa Rinna brings warmth and energy:
  • “I’m gonna have you boys over.” (66:56)
  • Banter about Botox: “It takes a minute.” (67:33)
  • Plans to celebrate with pasta and shopping for Maura’s Birkin.
  • Sincere words: “She is so professional … she is a really good person that really, really cares about the people she loves.” (69:31)

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7. Advice Segment: ‘Tell Me What’s Wrong’ (69:38 - 80:25)

Jake and Rob tackle listener dilemmas with a mix of humor and practical feedback:

• Venmo misfire: “Start telling all his friends.” “Venmo, if you are seeing this, please help this girl.” (70:00)
• Faking interests for romance: “Come clean. It’s endearing.” (79:30)
• Situationship confusion: Emphasize open communication—find out if you’re on the same page to avoid hurt. (78:32)
• Professor crush disrupting class: “Why would you ever snitch?” (74:25)
• Anecdotes reinforce the value of honesty and not pretending to impress.
• Prescription for overcoming impostor syndrome in relationships: watch 27 Dresses.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Peyton on disappointment: “I was really sad. Even if this was a random man I had never met, it’s a really horrible feeling.” (06:59)
• Rob’s authenticity: “If you’re always being yourself and you’re true to yourself, then you really can’t go wrong.” (59:03)
• Snake catching as self-care: “That’s like a meet and greet. … I get very excited. Say hello, take a picture, and let them go.” (43:44)
• Strategy reflections: “There’s no trust here in this turret.” (15:53)
• On social media and criticism: “If I ever start trying to act a certain way to get people to like me … that’s when you will really get into trouble.” (59:38)
• Aspirational dreams: “The dream is to make enough money to provide for your wife and kids and travel around the world catching snakes.” (72:09)
• Closure: Jake: “You are really, authentically you. You are the same on camera. You are the same off. And I think that’s beautiful.” (81:04)
  Rob: “I am. I am literally the same.” (81:28)
• Post-episode plans: “And now we’re going to go get Maura a Birkin.” (80:28)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 00:53 – Start of Peyton’s crash out story
• 11:23 – Live on-air apartment approval
• 12:36 – Introduction of Rob Rausch
• 13:53 – Traitors strategy deep dive
• 21:00 – Lisa and voting strategy
• 29:13 – On public perception and reality TV
• 43:02 – Snake catching, “meet and greet” for snakes
• 50:01 – Rob describes his relationship and love language
• 66:13 – Lisa Rinna FaceTime guest spot
• 69:38 – Tell Me What’s Wrong advice segment
• 72:09 – Rob’s dream: travel and snakes
• 81:04 – Show wrap-up and mutual appreciation

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Summary: Tone and Takeaways

In classic Therapuss style, Jake Shane and Rob Rausch guide listeners through a session that’s sassy, heartfelt, and surprisingly deep. With tongue-in-cheek candor, both share vulnerable moments (relationship stumbles, anxiety, the pressure of fame), relatable advice, and plenty of off-beat wisdom—always prioritizing authenticity, kindness, and the pursuit of joy (whether with snakes, loved ones, or a perfect Birkin bag).

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For first-time listeners, this episode is a lively blend of humor, healing, and real talk, offering plenty to laugh about and even more to think about.

Transcript

[A]

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Boy, oh, boy.

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How are you doing, girl?

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I mean, am I ever.

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Well, for a moment, you were.

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I feel like I'm constantly losing the plot.

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This weekend was bad.

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Every time I'm on Therapists, something like groundbreakingly awful is going on in my personal life. I was just. You guys, like. I don't even know how to put it.

[A]

Dogged.

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I was disrespected.

[A]

Payne and I have a lot of alone time this week together.

[B]

So also, whenever Jake and I are left alone, it is just the roguest, most outrageous thing ever. Jake and I like when we are alone and we've only had a handful, only of.

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We have baby weekend nights out alone.

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And the world Chefs stops.

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It stops and shifts.

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It stops and shifts.

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I don't even know if that's the same thing, but it does.

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And we're coming up on one of those.

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A man came to the city. A man that. Not. I wouldn't say he disrespected her in the past, but I would say things didn't end the way you would have liked them to.

[B]

Right.

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You were ghosted, like, kind of. And Peyton, when this happened, went mute for three days.

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I didn't speak.

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She sat in the corner of our

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house, silent, silent, waiting for him to text me. He didn't and he didn't. And then I texted him and he, like, barely replied.

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So then how did this pick back? Oh, hi.

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It was all my fault.

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It was.

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But this. The OG Crash out was Jay Shetty was on the podcast and barefoot. Barefoot. I was literally grounding myself. Bare feet on the hardwood floor. And I was like, I need a moment of your time alone, and you need to.

[A]

To guide me to do something. Yeah. The camera stopped rolling because I had to go pee and pee and went to him and said, please help me.

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I was in desperate need. So basically, this man comes back to the city.

[A]

No, but why does he come? Like, let's.

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I DM'd him.

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Like,

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oh, my gosh. God forbid A is moving her thumb.

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She said, she said she said she said. She said she sent him a meme she found. She looks at me yesterday. She goes, I searched for it.

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I lied to everyone. And I said it was on, like, my. You know when you're scrolling Instagram. Instagram, and it's suggested an Explore page? No, no. Like, you know when your feed's done? Like, you've done that. You've done the damn thing. Your feed is over. It's, like, all suggested. I was like, oh, yeah. Like, screen rant was suggested. No, it wasn't.

[A]

Right? Screen rant.

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Screen rant.

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So she sent him a dm and then he was like, I'm going to come to New York this weekend. He was giving you everything you need to validate me.

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Because I also. The worst part about this, and I had therapy this morning, and last week, I just did not want to hear a damn thing she said. Sometimes that's okay. And I get on this morning and she's like. And I was like, rough weekend? She goes, yeah, I can only imagine how upset you are. But she was like, well, you know how we spoke last week and you told me that you messaged him and lied to all of your friends about it? I was like, yeah. She was like, well, that means you knew something bad was going to happen. I was like, no, I didn't.

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You didn't. You didn't. You just as we said, Peyton was

[B]

moving in silence, and I honestly was just like, I moved to New York. I feel like it's going to go my way. And it didn't, which is fine.

[A]

He basically used Peyton as a Yelp account.

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And this has happened to me before, too, which is like, do I give, like, TripAdvisor?

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I don't know.

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I give Google because the amount of men who text me and they're like, there was this guy a few months, like, last month, and he was like, hey, like, where should I go on vacation? I was like, I was just in Tulum and Cabo. He goes, great, I'm gonna go to Cabo.

[A]

Back to your crash out?

[B]

Back to my crash out. And I really, really, really want to just. Moment of silence for this.

[A]

Yeah, let's all take a moment of silence. Right?

[B]

Moment of silence for this. Should I just, like, say what happened?

[A]

Let's just, like, start from start to finish.

[B]

So basically, what occurred is this man is texting me, like, I Have dinner at this time and then come. Me and my friends got a table at the club I recommended. He's, like, taking all your recommendations. Come meet us after dinner. I'm like, honestly, perfect. He tells me he's going to the bathroom. He never came back.

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Mm.

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I know. You're like, that's really bad. It's really bad. It's really bad. There is no way to, like, sugarcoat it. It's really bad.

[A]

And he texted him. Did you just leave?

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No response.

[A]

No response? No. He texted her the next day. What are you doing today? Probably for rest.

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I wish you guys could see Louise's face.

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I. I'm on the phone with Peyton, and I've never heard her like this. There's only been one instance where she's cried in my arms on the way back from the club.

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Hi. Shocker. About another man.

[A]

Yeah. She on the phone, her voice is, like, breaking, and I'm like, I've never heard this before. Like, her voice is, like, legitimately breaking

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also, you know it's bad when you wake up and you're sober and it's just like.

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And you're still screaming tears. She cried for 15 hours straight.

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I was really sad. Honestly. I just, like. Even if this was a random man I had never met, it's a really horrible feeling.

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It's the worst feeling. You feel so gross.

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Also, I just, like, felt, like, about myself, honestly. And I felt very rejected, and I don't think I was ready to feel that way since I was also coming down from being fucking fouled left, right, and center again.

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And, like, it just made it ten times worse.

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So then I go to lunch, and I am quite literally unwell. It's Saturday, the sun is shining. But I am not, Like, I am being just, like, the absolute worst vibe. And, you know, I am usually, like, the one person that, like, doesn't get the vibe.

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You're always like, it's Saturday. We're drinking. Let's have fun.

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He's like, you know what, you guys? Like, like, life rocks. Like, let's just, like, be. It takes a lot for me to be a bad vibe.

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So

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me being in this state is really bad. I get home from lunch, I will say, like, I did have a thought go through my head. Like, Jake has not checked up on me nearly enough. I totally thought. I totally thought that. And I was, like, noted full. But then I go back to my apartment, and I open my elevator, and there's flowers on the ground. My first thought is, are they from him?

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And then.

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But then they weren't from Jake and Julia. And then the note was really funny, but when I saw the flowers, I started crying because I was like, wow, I really needed this. And then the note was really funny also, like, not that anyone needed more perspective. Like, I'm sure everyone can really just understand and see clear as day how down bad I was. I walked into a crystal shop and said basically, like, I need an exorcism.

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And they. What did they give you? They gave you a crystal.

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They gave me a little amethyst mushroom and said, this will protect you. And I have been holding it ever since.

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You know what? You tried.

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I tried.

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You tried.

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And that's fine.

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That's fine.

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But I also feel like there's something going on. Well, obviously Mercury's in retrograde, but there's something really about this weekend. Every single girl I encountered from Friday to Sunday, whether it was at lunch, out, a friend I was meeting for a drink, every single girl was like, I cried myself to sleep last night. I was like, what? Me too. Bam.

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What else should we talk about? God, we could just talk for hours on end. Huh?

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Hours on end. Yap, yap, yap.

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Oh, tonight I have new Cautious. The bunnies. The foam bunnies with the little. Like. Oh, like jelly never had.

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And I will be having.

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You'll sleep over. Bring a sleepover bag. Yes. Oh, can I invite you to something while we're on air right now?

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Yes.

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Sweets and Treats Snack Expo in Las Vegas in May. I will fly you out. We'll go together. We'll stay at the Win, we'll go clubbing, and we'll go eat Cautious all day.

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I mean, yes, I love Vegas. There is no one who loves Vegas more than I do.

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Last time, me, Peyton, Julia, Louise, 7am Smoking cigarettes outside the darkest hours of my life. But honestly, it was beautiful.

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It was so fun.

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It was so fun.

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That was like a really good morning. Also, some Vegas nights, they're really hit or miss. They're either like, that was the best, first of all.

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And you want to know why? It was the best night of our lives. Alice was on amazing for him.

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Alice was being so fun. Everyone was just having like, the best night ever. And it was just like everything was going right.

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I will say, when Alice didn't get on the bus, that's when I started to struggle.

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But that was the next day.

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How was the tour bus ride back? Was it a little treacherous?

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Your bed so comfy. Jake has like a 14 inch mattress topper and a 19 inch duvet.

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Yeah, it's pretty sick. Oh, my God. You're gonna die for my new sheets in my New York apartment.

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Speaking of.

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Shut up.

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The news is in.

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Check your phone.

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What?

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Give me my phone.

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Approved.

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Seriously? Seriously, Shut up. When can we start moving in?

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Get your bags and run. She said.

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I said, when can we get.

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Oh, my God. I'm so excited. Hi.

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Jake's the resident. My day is may.

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Wow. That was beautiful, you guys.

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Beautiful. I can't believe we got that on camera.

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I know.

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Oh, I'm so happy.

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I'm so excited. I'm still an LA boy. I'm LA through and through.

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Don't get it twisted.

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Do not get it twisted. I'm an LA man, okay? I will spend most of my time in la. Sorry, not happening. Wow. And on that note.

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Wow.

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Enjoy tonight's episode with Rob Roush. He's amazing. He's hot as. He's a traitor. He is lovely. And I am about to go buy a Birkin with him for Maura. I love you, Pie.

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I love you. I've missed you so much.

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I missed you more. Okay, let's go get lunch and see my new apartment.

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Thank fucking God.

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Okay. I love you. Say bye, pussies.

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Bye, pussies. Missed you.

[A]

Hi, pussies. Welcome back to therapuss. Today we have on the most strategic, thoughtful and conniving traitor of all time, Rob Roush.

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Hello, Jake.

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Hi. Are you shy?

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Yes.

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Oh, okay.

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I like your shoes.

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Thank you so much. Tell me, how are you? How are you doing?

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I'm good. I'm kind of sleepy.

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You're sleepy? You will. You've. They've been working you like a dog.

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They have.

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I know. Are you upset to be here?

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No. No.

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Okay.

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I was happy to do this. I've been wanting to do this for a while.

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I know. We've been talking about it since we saw each other at the Pickleball Celsius Classic.

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Yes. You did so good.

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No, I did. Did you win that?

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I didn't play. You were trying to get me to take your spot.

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Oh.

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I was like, no, it's all you.

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Okay. How? Like, tell me everything. Like, I watched that final roundtable and I was like. I was really gagged. Like, that was, like, really good television.

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It was crazy, right?

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It's you, Tara Mora and Eric.

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That's right.

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What was your plan going in?

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My plan going in to that fire pit was to vote out Tara and then Eric and then win the game.

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Really?

[C]

Like, yeah. Like, yeah. Like, you.

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You weren't, like. You weren't, like, Eric, it's us.

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No, I was like that, but then when Maura, like, came to me, and she was like, rob, you have to promise to get everything.

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Yeah.

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And I was like. I was like, now look it.

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I mean, it was the opportunity of a lifetime.

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Exactly. It's exactly what it was.

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It was like, well, what are you gonna buy her a Birkin?

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I am. I'm getting it today, actually. Do you want to come with me?

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Really?

[C]

Okay. I. You could probably.

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Where are you guiding the Birkin?

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Madison? Fifth Avenue.

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Are you going to Hermes?

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It's couture store, I think. Ah, I should probably know this.

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Are you gonna go after this?

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I think of 2:30.

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Okay. Would you know what work and you're getting Mora?

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Yeah. It's a size 30 Burgundy with gold accents.

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Good for. And what a man of his word, right?

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She deserves it.

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She deserves it.

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Like, in my opinion, she was the best trader.

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I don't think so.

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She was. She was. She was on my team the whole time. If anyone brought my name up, she would, like, snap at him like, rob's not a traitor.

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But she was a faithful.

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But she was a traitor. She just didn't know she was secret trader. She was like, a double secret trader.

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Okay, so tell me what you think. The biggest mistake. Mistakes that people made in the show where. Because I can. I know my biggest mistake. When Candace gave her throwaway vote for you.

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Yeah.

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Like, at that point, were you like, candace, we're still in this together, or were you like, I'm done with you? She was so defensive of Lisa.

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I had the first time she voted for me, I had a little bit of hope. Like, I was upset about it, but then when we got to the turret, and it was like, she lying to me. I'm lying to him. Because we both ain't. Like, it was like we were not telling each other. I was like, it's over. I was like, there's no trust here in this turret.

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Well, because, you know, housewives don't go against housewives.

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I know that now.

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You were. So did anyone here watch the show? Okay, so I've never seen Traders before, but now that I have seen it, do you think I would be a good trader, or do you think I would be a better faithful?

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I don't know. I think it depends on, like, can you. Can you remain cool under pressure?

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Nope.

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Can you? Not at all. Really?

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Nope.

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You'd be a bad trader.

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Like, you really, like, kept it down. Like, I. And it just. It ate me alive. Everyone was like. And there's no way. It's Rob. Like, behind the scenes. Did you watch the show?

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I did. I watched it because I didn't tell any of my family or friends what happened, so it was so fun to, like, watch them watch it.

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So would you just be like, you have to watch. They weren't like, say, you. You didn't tell your family that you won't.

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They all assumed I won, but.

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Okay.

[C]

They didn't know how, so they were trying to watch. But, yeah, my sister accidentally found out. She read an email. She helps me with, like, business stuff.

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Got it.

[C]

So she accidentally found out, but no one else knew. They didn't want to know.

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How many siblings do you have?

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I have two older sisters and a

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younger brother whom is gay.

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She is gay.

[A]

I had no idea. Wow. So you're like. Or, you know.

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Ally.

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Ally. Yeah. Would you ever go to the pride parade?

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Yeah, if my brother wanted me to go with him. But I feel like.

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Would you wear rainbow overalls?

[C]

Yeah. If I was at a pride parade, yeah.

[A]

Okay. Okay. So on the show, does anyone ever, like, hook up?

[C]

No. I mean, you can't really. You know, it's very. Like, once we're off camera, it's like, lockdown. Like, you can't talk to anyone.

[A]

Oh, really? Okay. So. But you.

[C]

Well, not really supposed to talk about that. It's like Disney World. Don't talk about what happens behind the score.

[A]

What do you think behind. Happens behind at Disney World?

[C]

Well, there's just a bunch of, like, machinery and stuff that makes everything move. Right. Hydraulics and whatnot.

[A]

You think it's like, the back rooms?

[C]

Yeah, it's like the back. What is that something? I feel like that's something. I don't know what that is.

[A]

It's a cultural reference that I just referenced that. I am also not sure what it is. I think it's just, like, satanic underworld.

[C]

Yeah, no, it's not like that. No.

[A]

Do you like. Do you. So you still live in Alabama?

[C]

I do. I do.

[A]

Roll Tide.

[C]

Roll Tide. Yeah.

[A]

Roll Tide. We have a Bama girl in here. Raise your hand. Tuscaloosa. What's the taco place? Taco. Taco Mama. You go to Taco Mama?

[C]

It's not my favorite. I've been.

[A]

You know what? Thank you so much. We were in Alabama for one day, and she's like, you got to go to Taco Mama. You got to go to Taco Mama. I'm looking up the reviews of Taco Mama, and everyone's like, I shit my pants. I.

[C]

It's Nostalgia. It's the. It's the picture of Margarita. That's, like, the it, though.

[A]

But what do we say? I hate fun. Well, you want to go out? How long are you in the city for?

[C]

I'm here till tomorrow. Tonight's my last night.

[A]

Should we go out?

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Really? Yeah.

[C]

I go out with you.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like we'd have the best time.

[C]

I think so. Dude.

[A]

Oh, my God. I love you. Okay, so what's the difference between that you. That you found on Traders vs Love Island? Like, with Love Island.

[C]

Well, I think. I'm sorry. Can I answer the question?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Okay. With Love Island, I think it's just the main differences was my mindset, like, going into Love Island. Like, I'm like, oh, I'm in Fiji. I'm gonna talk to, like, pretty girls. It's gonna be great. I'm gonna find someone. Maybe I'll get a girlfriend. But it's not like that at all. It's like. It's like psychological torture, and you don't sleep, and it's like, okay, yeah. You really like this girl? Well, she's dead. We were taking her out of here. You know, it's crazy, but you're not really playing a game. But going into Traders, I'm like. In my mind, I'm like, these are not your friends, your opponents. You know, you're here to beat everyone at a game and win. So I just had a very different

[A]

mentality around the fireplace when you. It was just you and Maura, and she looked at you and she said, no, I'm a faithful. And you acting down. We're like. You were like, no, like, in your body. Were you anxious, or were you like, I'm about to this shit up?

[C]

Like, no, I was very anxious. I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh. I gotta tell her that I'm.

[A]

Was she angry in the moment?

[C]

She was. She got over it so fast. Like, she was.

[A]

She.

[C]

She literally looked like she went through every single emotion you could possibly have. And at the end, she was like, well played. I would have done the same thing to you.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so tell me about the strategy with getting Lisa out, because that came as a surprise. I would say that was a surprise for me. It was. It was that moment, I feel like. Of like, okay, are we traitors together? Or, like, is it at any man's game?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, it was any man's game. But I think that it just. It was. She was gonna go, no. Like, she wasn't convincing a lot of people that she was a faithful. And so she was going to get banished. It was a matter of time. And something that was referenced a lot. They didn't really talk about it a lot in the show, but was something that was referenced all the time. When we were talking in the castle about who could be a traitor, who could be a faithful, blah, blah, blah. It's. They talk about the history of the voting and, like, people that voted for Donna night one, they're like, they have to be faithful because they voted for a traitor, like, immediately. And so I wanted to kind of replicate that with Lisa. I wanted to vote with her as soon as the suspicion was on her so that when people looked back, they'd have been like, well, Rob's a faithful. Like, he voted for Lisa immediately. A traitor wouldn't do that.

[A]

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[C]

I didn't go to eighth grade, but. What?

[A]

Oh, you were homeschooled until high school?

[C]

I went to a real high school.

[A]

Okay, and what was real high school like for you?

[C]

It was. It was a learning experience in many ways, more than just academics.

[A]

What do you mean by that?

[C]

I was just. I was just weird. I was weird, you know, because I didn't really have social Skills. Still don't really have the best social skills, but yeah, it was. Yeah. I didn't understand. I pretty much never wore clothes growing up. I just wore boxers or just shorts. I would pretty much never wear a shirt. So when I started going to school, I didn't realize, like, I think honestly the biggest thing where I was like, like these people are so different than me was I would go to school and if I had my body covered, I thought it was good. It's not really what it is. Like I would wear like striped shirts with plaid shorts and like I wore crazy outfits and it was all hand me downs for my cousins and stuff. So I just kind of threw clothes on, went to school, never did anything with my hair or anything. I just went to school and then I was like looking around like, you know, like I really stand out.

[A]

Right. Did you make many friends?

[C]

I did, I did. I made a lot of really good friends in high school.

[A]

You play football?

[C]

I did play football.

[A]

You like?

[C]

I loved football. I loved baseball.

[A]

Was it like Friday Night Lights? You've never seen Friday Night Lights?

[C]

I've seen Friday Night Lights.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And it wasn't really like that because we weren't that good at football.

[A]

But was it still exciting like every Friday, like the game?

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I mean like in the south, like football is like big thing. Like everybody comes to the games. Everyone's family. Random guys you see at gas stations will be there for some reason. A. Yeah.

[A]

What's your favorite southern delicatessen?

[C]

Delicatesse.

[A]

Delicatesse. What is the word?

[C]

Delicacy.

[A]

Shut up. What is your favorite southern delicacy?

[C]

Oh, goodness gracious. Probably like biscuits and gravy.

[A]

Do I know mine? Yeah, gumbo.

[C]

Oh, that's a good one.

[A]

Do they have good gumbo in Alabama?

[C]

It's more of a Louisiana thing.

[A]

I know that, but there's a lot

[C]

of folks that can cook good. My best friend's dad makes a mean gumbo. He puts okra in it. You like okra?

[A]

No. Oh, I hate okra. I like fried okra, but what the hell.

[C]

You can't hate okra but like fried

[A]

okra cuz it, I don't taste the okra when it's fried.

[C]

That's not true.

[A]

It's true to me.

[C]

What are you tasting?

[A]

Fr like salt. Salty.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you smoke weed?

[C]

Rarely.

[A]

You fun high? No, I, I, you know what? I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. You, you just get quiet. You're quiet. You're quiet, sweet boy.

[C]

I go non verbal.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

Absolutely I do. And then I just. I. I'll come up with the craziest conspiracy theories I have to smoke alone or with one person that I trust with my whole being.

[A]

What's a conspiracy theory? You believe.

[C]

I don't have any. That I really believe, but I am interested in them.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So some you're interested at.

[C]

My favorite one is Agartha. You familiar? The Earth is hollow. There's aliens in there.

[A]

Oh, come on.

[C]

No, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Listen, okay. Antarctica.

[A]

Convince me.

[C]

Antarctica, right? You ever been?

[A]

No.

[C]

No. No one's ever been. You can't and you can't go, okay? And even if you're a scientist and you have all this clearance, blah, blah, blah, you can go. But it's like this little tiny part of anarchy. You can go. You can't go there, and you can't fly over it with an airplane. And if you do, they'll take you. The un. Every country owns Antarctica. Isn't that weird? That kind of weird? Who the fuck wants Antarctica?

[A]

That's not true. It's not like North Korea.

[C]

It basically is. Look it up.

[A]

No one lives in Antarctica.

[C]

There's. There's a small scientific guild in Antarctica, but it's a very small piece of

[A]

the land that's there, and you can't go anywhere else.

[C]

You cannot go to Antarctica. You can't.

[A]

Please, someone. Fact check this.

[C]

Look it up.

[A]

You can fly over Antarctica, but it's rare, so it's rare that commercial airlines do, obviously, because they're, like, not collecting a check because who the wants to.

[C]

It's. It's. The airspace is not. It's not public domain.

[A]

Oh, my God. Rob. I am just having a golly geo time with you.

[C]

Me too. With you, though. Not me.

[A]

And you know what my favorite moment in all of Traders was?

[C]

What's that?

[A]

You need to get a drink. You picked up the glass, threw it in the air, and caught in the other hand. I said, oh, hell. I was like, did you see that?

[C]

I didn't even see that.

[A]

You didn't see that? You know, I need a drink. Oh, my God.

[C]

I do have pretty good hands. I've got good hands, huh? I did notice when I got the. The coin, I, like, threw it up and flipped it. I was like, I got a shield. And I was like, why did I do that? That was what?

[A]

Can you explain the shields? I still don't understand.

[C]

I do feel like the challenges and stuff are super complicated, but. Okay, so SHIELD basically is if you are a faithful and you have a Shield. You cannot be murdered that night.

[A]

So why. I don't understand then why people aren't like, give me the shield. It's oh, so clearly like, I'm a faithful. I want the shield. I don't understand why people were like, no one's gonna take a shield tonight. Tonight. Why?

[C]

I completely agree. I thought that was the dumbest thing ever. Yeah. The one challenge where I don't remember who it was, someone was like, no one. Take a shield or you're getting banished tonight.

[A]

I was like, how would you get banished? You have a shield.

[C]

Yeah. I was like, hashtag. Well, you can't. You can't.

[A]

You can't.

[C]

You can't get murdered. But I was like. I was like, hashtag, thank you. Now we can murder whoever we want tonight.

[A]

Right? Exactly.

[C]

I thought that was crazy move for the faithfuls, but, you know, it worked out for me.

[A]

Are you and Lisa still close?

[C]

Yeah. I love Lisa.

[A]

I die for Lisa.

[C]

She's hilarious.

[A]

She's such a good. She's been on the show.

[C]

Oh, shit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

She's going to kill me for that.

[A]

Why?

[C]

Because I'm supposed to know everything Lisa has ever done?

[A]

Is that what she says?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

She's one. She is. You know, she is such a professional. She's so one of a kind. Did she give you any tips on how to be on reality television? I know you had already done Love island, but was she like, just. It's. This is a different. Because it's a different ball game. Would she. Did she ever give you any advice?

[C]

A ton of. Not while we were there, but after, like, post show. She's called me, like, several times and talked to me because, like, I get. I get anxious. I get anxious about being talked about online.

[A]

Yeah, I got that.

[C]

And. And, yeah, she's been so sweet and she's called me and spoken with me about it and told me because she's been through it all, you know, I mean, she's. She's a veteran.

[A]

Well, you know what's interesting that I always find interesting about reality television is that reality television stars and I don't know if you've found this. Are spoken about online.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I didn't even see this. What is this?

[C]

It's me. Here.

[A]

Who put this up here? We can just get rid of it. We saw. We saw.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Hi. Say hi.

[C]

Can I give that to my mom? She would love that.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes. This is for your mom. Okay. So what I find interesting about reality television and the way it's discussed is that it is discussed in a. In the same way that you would go on Twitter and talk about a character on Grey's Anatomy. The difference with reality TV is that is you. Like, you are. You are a character, but that is you as a person. So it hurts 10 times more. You can't be like, that was written into the scene. You're like, that is me. So do you feel like, obviously your season of Love island was the biggest to ever do it? Do you think that prepared you for what people were gonna say about you on Traders? Or did it. Did it hurt just the same when people would say not nice things?

[C]

Yeah, no. Honestly, I think it. If anything, Love island made it worse. I think it's just like, the kind of, like, Just trauma from that. Like, it. Because it. I'm not really someone to really care about what people think about me that don't know me, but, I mean, I'm sure you know how it is, like, when. When people say things about you over and over and over again online. Like, you just. It just gets to you more and more and more. And then, like, things had settled down from Love island to, like, a certain degree. But then, you know, this show was a. Was a hit, and people are just talking again. But, yeah, it. It's not fun, I guess.

[A]

Of course not.

[C]

Yeah, it's. It's fine, though.

[A]

Yeah. You're. You're okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You look good.

[C]

Oh, thank you. You do, too.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

So it's so funny you say that. I. Have you ever gotten Botox?

[C]

No. Have you?

[A]

Well, what's. Beechwood Clinic. Brightwood Clinic. I went. I went to go get a facial the other day called an Aqua Gold facial. So it is a facial where they, like, inject little bits of Botox into your face, but it's not like Botox. Like, I'm not getting Botox in my face. What is it? No, that. That explained it pretty perfectly. It's like a. Just teeny amount of Botox that they. But it's not like, I can't. Like, I can still move my face and stuff, but as I was getting it, I'm like, hey. So I've been seeing this thing that I really want, and it's like neck Botox that, like, pulls up your neck so you're like. Like this a little. Like, it makes your jawline more defined. And they were like, you just want it? And I was like, like, right now? And they're like, yeah, just right. We have it. You can do it right now. So. And I've always been so hesitant to do Botox. So I did it the other day and everybody keeps saying my jawline looks so defined.

[C]

It does look defined. Yeah. No, it's. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But when I go, it's a little tight. It's a little tight. I can't, like, you know, like, it's like.

[C]

Yeah. Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You feel like you don't have.

[A]

Good. No, I can do that, but I'm on Broadway now, so, like, you know, I gotta show my facial expressions. When do you leave? Tonight?

[C]

I leave tomorrow, so.

[A]

Do you want to come to the show tonight?

[C]

What time is it?

[A]

7:30.

[C]

Can I do that?

[A]

Turn around? You know what? Don't you worry about it.

[C]

I'm sorry.

[A]

I'll get you a recording.

[C]

Yes, thank you.

[A]

Of course. Where are you going next? Where are you off to next?

[C]

I. I don't watch. What? Watch. Right.

[A]

Who's the guest? Who's the guest with him?

[C]

Just me. Mora.

[A]

Got it. Well, final two.

[C]

Yes. Top two.

[A]

What was your favorite part about filming Traders? Like, what was your part where you're like, I am having fun, fun right now.

[C]

Probably the car ride out of there after I won, I was like, hell, yeah, I'm done. Stop lying.

[A]

Is it two weeks? Just two weeks of filming?

[C]

Three. Three.

[A]

Let me ask you something.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

The smoked salmon.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

What is the whole hullabaloo with the salmon? And why do they have so little?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Everyone gets their first, like, oh, the salmon. What would you eat on a night to night basis? Okay, dinner time. What would they serve?

[C]

Chicken. There's a lot of grilled chicken. And then like.

[A]

And you know that shit's been sitting the out too.

[C]

Yeah, it was usually cold. Ew. But I'm telling you, it was a huge step up from Love Island. Love island was like every day it was grilled chicken and it was always somehow undercooked and like, overcooked at the same time. I felt taken advantage of.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Slightly.

[A]

But yeah, you know, I mean, I think you were too.

[C]

I mean, I think everyone, like, think

[A]

everyone felt that way a little bit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you keep in touch with any of the cast? I know you keep in touch with Kendall.

[C]

Yeah, I talked to Kendall, Kayla talked to Serena sometimes, talked to Jana sometimes. But like, I got love for all of them. Like, we all went through that together and I. I really. I mess with everybody from that.

[A]

I mean, that show was that summer, Rob, like, to me and my heart, like, oh, my God, you guys couldn't hear Brat when it came out, could you?

[C]

We're having A Brat Summer. We didn't even know.

[A]

I'm like, I'm gonna start crying. Like, I was in New York when Brat came out and I went to go see Louise, and she looks at me and just goes. It's just so cunt. And, like, that moment, for me, like, shifted my life. Love island was out. We were going out every night, listening to Brat, flying across the country, doing whatever. And at the same time, same time every single night, we had you.

[C]

It's true.

[A]

When's your birthday?

[C]

September 1st.

[A]

Virgo.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's why you won Traders.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, really?

[A]

Very in control. Likes control. It's the only thing I know about Virgos.

[C]

I feel like everyone always tells me I must be, like, super organized because I'm a Virgo. I'm not at all, though. I don't know how true that stuff is. You really into astrology.

[A]

I mean, like I say I am. What do you think I am?

[C]

You're probably. You're probably a Cancer. You're probably a Leo. You're probably a Sagittarius. Pisces. I think it's all of them. I know.

[A]

Keep going.

[C]

I don't. Libra. Come on, Rob. Come on. Taurus. Come on. You know these. My brother's really into astrology.

[A]

Well, yeah. He's gay.

[C]

He'd be. And we love that for him. He lives here in New York City.

[A]

Hi. How old is he?

[C]

He's 25.

[A]

Is he having the best gay time of his life?

[C]

Yeah. He lives here with his boyfriend. They're. They're the best.

[A]

Are they so in love?

[C]

They are. They've been dating for forever.

[A]

How'd they meet?

[C]

They met forever ago. In Alabama, of all places. They found love in a broken place. Is that what it is?

[A]

Hopeless. But you were there. Do you still listen to Biba Doobie?

[C]

I do. I do listen to Bibi Doobie.

[A]

Bibi Doobie?

[C]

Biba Doobie.

[A]

I said it, right?

[C]

You said Bibu Doobie.

[A]

Okay, whatever. Do you. What. What else have you been listening to these days?

[C]

You know, Ash Tuesday? Do you know Brian James? Well, you should listen to them. They're really good.

[A]

Country?

[C]

No. Or they're like, indie, I would say.

[A]

I love how much you love indie music.

[C]

I do love indie.

[A]

Do you like Bonnie Ver? Have you heard his new album?

[C]

I don't know. Maybe a song.

[A]

No, no, no, no. Do you. Do you like the idea of like. Like, do you get deep in your mind?

[C]

Yeah, 100%.

[A]

Okay. So this album is so spectacular. It's like, I would. I Don't know if I would describe it as a concept album, but it starts very melancholy. There's side one and side two and it starts very melancholy. And then the second side, there's a song. And he says that this one lyric, like, that's a mood shift. He says like. Like a hopeful lyric for the first time in the album. And when he says that lyric in that song on the second side of the album, the. The beat shifts entirely. And the rest of the album is very uplifting. And it's one of the most beautiful albums I've ever heard in my entire life. Going to have to listen called Sable Fable. Okay, you have to listen to it.

[C]

I'm on it. I'm on it.

[A]

What other indie artists do you listen to?

[C]

We look on my Spotify.

[A]

Yes, Hi, Spotify.

[C]

Oh, I've been listening to Oasis recently. Top 10 Anime Betrayals by Ash Tuesday has been on repeat. Dumpster Diving by Brian James has been on repeat.

[A]

These all sounds like. These all sound like songs that I think I would like.

[C]

Gucci Mane, Swing My Door. That's. That's a little out of. I don't like rap music a whole lot, but that one.

[A]

How does it go?

[C]

You want me to play it?

[A]

Sing it?

[C]

Burn one, Burn one. I'm like, don't know. Definition of the South. There's some hoes in this house. Swing my dough Swing my dough Every. No, they swing my dough. I count 18, five every time. They swing my dough Swing my do. Yeah, that's pretty. It goes.

[A]

That sounds good. Do you like, pump. Listen to it as like a pump up song?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I listen to it on the way to the gym and then at least once or twice while I'm at the gym.

[A]

Hey, so what do you do in the gym?

[C]

What do I do in the gym? I lift weights.

[A]

Okay, how, like, what is the timing of that? Like, how long do you say you lift weights for?

[C]

One to two hours.

[A]

What? Okay, so I do 30 minutes.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And they're like, you did so good, Jake.

[C]

What do you think? What do you do?

[A]

So do you want to know what I did today?

[C]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

I had a push and pull day.

[C]

Okay, good.

[A]

So I did chest bench press. Bench press. And then I did incline press.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And then I did cable flies.

[C]

Okay, good.

[A]

And then I did pull ups. One round. Cut it at that.

[C]

How many pull ups can you do? That's good. That's really good.

[A]

Shut up.

[C]

That's good.

[A]

Should we go do pull ups in the gym after this and see how

[C]

many can you do right now, max 12.

[A]

And I can do eight.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Not me. Gagging. Wait, like, so I'm, like, strong.

[C]

You're super strong. Take.

[A]

You can. You could. You can only do 12.

[C]

All right. Now that you're talking all this, I could probably do 15.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But I don't know. We'll have to see, honestly.

[A]

Okay, so what made you decide to do.

[C]

Wait. Sorry, sorry. We move on. I can do pull ups with just two fingers. Can now keep going.

[A]

What do you mean you can do pull ups?

[C]

I can do pull up with just two fingers. That's all I need. I got really good grip strength. Test it.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Wow. What made you decide. What made you decide to do traders over beyond the villa?

[C]

There was no chance I was doing beyond the villa.

[A]

I mean, respect.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, like, like, not. Not because of, like, drama or, like, anything to do with the cast. Like, love them all. It was just like, it was in L. A. And they were like, yeah, like, just move to L. A. It's a doc you follow. I'm like, brother, that's not what doggy follow means. Like, I don't live in L. A. And they're like, no, but, like, you're going to be coming to visit all of your friends. And I'm like, no, I'm not. I know. No, it's not real life.

[A]

I love how true to yourself you are.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Do you still, like, call Alabama home base?

[C]

100. 100. I'm going there tomorrow.

[A]

What are you most excited about?

[C]

To go home to the warmth, ride my motorcycle. And it's like, just about time for the snakes start coming out.

[A]

So tell me about the snakes.

[C]

What do you want to know?

[A]

Why?

[C]

Well, I think that they are misunderstood creatures, and I think they're really beautiful, and I am passionate about sharing that with the world.

[A]

Honestly, what is beautiful about them?

[C]

They're gorgeous. Can I show you some pictures?

[A]

Okay, but how do you know? Like, I'm confused. Like, I'm glad they scared the out of me. Like, how do you. How are you not like, oh, my

[C]

God, no, I'm gonna show you the snake, and you're gonna be like, this

[A]

snake's about to beat my up.

[C]

Look at this thing. Look at that.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

That is not the most beautiful.

[A]

Oh, that is just gorgeous. That's like an alien.

[C]

Yeah, it's an Asian vine snake. For the folks at home, I hope

[A]

you find such an amazing wife.

[C]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

I really like. Wow. You are a good person, aren't you?

[C]

I try, I try. I Try my best.

[A]

Do snakes have sex? How?

[C]

With their sex organs? Cloaca.

[A]

But, like, how do they, like, have sex?

[C]

It's a lot of wrapping around.

[A]

Do the snakes have brains?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Do they, like, communicate with each other?

[C]

Somewhat. During mating season? Yeah.

[A]

What is the most proud you've ever been of a snake you've caught?

[C]

Oh, I caught the rarest snake in Malta on accident, and it was awesome.

[A]

And what do you do with that snake?

[C]

I just put it back where it was. Say, have a good day.

[A]

But you took a pic. It's like a meet and greet.

[C]

It is like a meet and greet. It's for me. It is.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's a meet and greet, and I get very excited. Say hello, take a picture, and let them go.

[A]

Okay, so we have a fun new section that we're introducing to the show. It's called Manny's Corner. Manny, raise your hand. Manny likes to just write a few questions out that she would like the answers to.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

It's Manny's Corner. It's Manny's Corner.

[C]

How did Manny get a corner?

[A]

Because Manny is one of the most funny and talented writers I've ever met in my entire life.

[C]

That'll do it.

[A]

If your trailer suddenly exploded and you had to move, would you get a house or still pretend to be humble?

[C]

Yeah, I actually live in a house now.

[A]

Breaking news. What kind of snake do I remind you of? The ones that have a whole egg in them?

[C]

Sure. Yeah. Egg eater. Go for it.

[A]

You caught your first snake at 4 years old. Were your parents proud, scared, or absent?

[C]

They were present and scared.

[A]

Okay, last one. People say you're hard to read. You were also homeschooled. Is it also hard for you to read?

[C]

Yes. Okay, well, I'm dyslexic, so.

[A]

You are?

[C]

I am.

[A]

So is my brother and my mom.

[C]

I stand with them.

[A]

And that's Manny's Corner.

[C]

That was great. Good job, Manny.

[A]

She's. She's quite the scorner. Okay, so, Rob. Rob, what are you therapist about today?

[C]

They're pissed about. It's like, angry, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

People that stand up on airplanes, right? When it lands, you do that, brother.

[A]

Beep up.

[C]

Why? Why?

[A]

Because. Let me get my bag first.

[C]

Why, though? You're not gonna get off the plane any faster. Like, just sit in your. No, you're not.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I. Like maybe Matt. Next three people faster than you were going to taxi.

[A]

And we're taxing. We're taxiing. Beep.

[C]

Oh, hell, no. And this is me. This is me.

[A]

You just wait.

[C]

I just Sit there until they open the door.

[A]

And then. Why?

[C]

Because. What is the point?

[A]

I've been sitting for five hours. Let me get.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. So. So let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. We're on airplane. The aisle.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Ding.

[C]

Yeah. And then I'm like, hell.

[A]

Okay, your turn.

[C]

Yeah. And then I get up and I let you get out. Yeah. No, like.

[A]

And then I'm like, do you want to get your back first or do you want me to step over you?

[C]

I'd let you go, and then I'd sit back down.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What a gentleman. What is your dream wedding?

[C]

I don't think I have one.

[A]

I think you don't want. Do you want to get. You don't get married.

[C]

I do want to get married, but I think. I guess my dream wedding is to marry the love of my life, and it's works out forever. And we have beautiful children and a meaningful marriage full of love.

[A]

My dream wedding is that I marry someone that I think is attractive. That is funny, but not too funny.

[C]

You have to be funnier than.

[A]

I would like to be funnier. I would like to make that. I want to wake up every day and make them laugh, but my dream wedding would be like 150 to 200 people, depending on who wants to come. We could reach 250. 300, but I'd rather max it at 200. I would like it to be abroad.

[C]

Okay. Destination wedding with 300 people. You're a little selfish.

[A]

Okay. It's a little one. 150. 150.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You know what? Maybe I'll do, like, a Charleston wedding. Sorry, that's me. Like, I'm just trying to. I don't want to do Charleston. I love Charleston. I don't want to do Charleston. I think I want to do a wedding.

[C]

And do you know what your dream wedding is?

[A]

I want to do a wedding in Italy. No, I hate the food. I think I want to do a wedding. I also maybe.

[C]

No, you should do it. Gulf Shores, Alabama, on the beach.

[A]

Oh, my God. That's her dream wedding. Floribama. She literally loves Alabama. Do you know she has a group of girls.

[C]

No way.

[A]

From college. Okay, imagine.

[C]

What sorority were you in?

[A]

Alabama.

[C]

What the hell?

[A]

She, like, really? She loved Bama down. Like, that was. That is her Roman Empire. I think she will look at you and tell you she peaked in college.

[B]

Oh, I would not say that.

[A]

Okay, sorry. I think that me going to.

[B]

To Alabama is like, your Roman Empire for me.

[A]

Why? You know What?

[B]

I mean, like, I feel like you love talking about the lore that I went to Alabama.

[A]

She had this group of girls. Imagine having a friend, group of 20 plus girls that all get along.

[C]

No, that's not true.

[A]

That's what I said. She goes, you're just toxic.

[C]

There's no way.

[A]

They're called. They're called the peppas.

[C]

The peppas, like the pig?

[A]

Yes. They're going to love it. Say, hi, peppas.

[C]

Hey, peppas.

[A]

They always come to my show. They do. You know, by the way, I saw this one of the peppas that she went to. So go see my show with. They posted a photo of Louise at dinner and wrote, give her a raise. You know I saw that. Right? I saw that.

[B]

And I was like, oh, this is public.

[A]

Yeah, I love the peppers. They really have my back. But you know who my favorite peppa is?

[B]

The one put it out there.

[A]

The one with that thick accent and blonde hair. Oh, Ella. I. I don't know. Did you meet her at an airport? No, I met her at a show, and she was like, girl, I just love you so damn much, Clair. That's for sure. She's like, I am Louise's best friend. We are a peppa. Like that. I love her. Yeah. Overlay.

[C]

What you think.

[A]

She loves you. Yeah, it's my favorite peppa. And VR.

[C]

I. I love that.

[A]

He's like, are you looking for love right now?

[C]

No.

[A]

Girlfriend. Tell me everything.

[C]

Well, I'm kind of just, like, giving it, like.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. No names, no identities. But just tell me, like, how you fell in love.

[C]

She understands me, and she's very similar to me in the way that she communicates her emotions. And that is something I've. It's been hard to find for me.

[A]

How do you like to communicate your emotions? Like, what is your love language?

[C]

My love language is quality time.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And acts of service. That's really how I give my love more. But, yeah, I would say.

[A]

What would you think my love language is? Gifts receiving or given?

[C]

Both. Okay.

[A]

I think that's pretty valid. I also think my love language is, like, affirmations. Words of affirmations. Like, when I'm with a guy and he's telling me that he thinks I am attractive, like, it really makes me feel good inside. Or that he's more specifically, like, I am enjoying spending time with you. Okay. Can we FaceTime Lisa?

[C]

Yeah. She's not gonna answer. I have wrinkles.

[A]

Let me see. No, those are beautiful. You might want to go into acting one day.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Text her and say, important. She'll answer, trust. Obviously, everyone has heard about Poppy. I feel like the soda market is such a hard market to infiltrate, and Poppy, like, has. Now I'm just preaching about Poppy, but they, like, really have become, like, a staple. If you don't know what Poppy is, though, it has 5 grams of sugar, ingredients you can love, and prebiotics. Like, I drink one a day. Honestly, I have one right here. The Shirley Temple flavor, which is my favorite flavor besides cherry limeade. Back in the day when I used to post, like, a million times a day, I used to, like, do these, like, Poppy jingles, and I used to, like, sing about Poppy. Like, there was one that was like, do you like, so Poppy? It's so good. Do you remember that? We are so lucky to have Poppy as a new sponsor on for the season because I love them so much. I was in their super bowl commercial, not this year, but last year. It was, like, one of the coolest moments of my life. If you haven't yet, try the new Shirley Temple flavor. It is actually incredible. I felt like I. I used to have this thing where I would. Everywhere I would go, I. I would always get a Shirley Temple, but it wasn't, like, that big of a someone. I went on tour with Meg. I love you, Meg. She photographed all my shows. Everywhere she went, she would get a Shirley Temple. So now Meg can always have a Shirley Temple with her because Poppy just released an incredible, incredible flavor. So thank you, Poppy, for sponsoring this episode and the season. I love you. You can literally find Poppy in probably any store near you. Oh, Rob. I really feel like we are, like, friends.

[C]

Yeah. I thought we were before this, but.

[A]

No, I. No, I. We were, but, like, I want to hang out, dude.

[C]

I'm down.

[A]

Well, we're getting more as Birkin.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's. Is that Lisa?

[C]

No, it's Sean.

[A]

Who?

[C]

Sean.

[A]

Sean who?

[C]

Sean. I know your last name. I can't remember it right now.

[A]

Is it someone that I would know?

[C]

He's just my friend. Like, he. Like, we've been snowboarding.

[A]

Okay. Can I ask you a question?

[C]

Red motorcycle.

[A]

Who has been styling you? I'd like to give them credit.

[C]

Annie and Nora.

[A]

Annie and Nora.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

She has been doing an excellent job with your outfits.

[C]

I'm going to have to agree because

[A]

they are still true to you, but you're elevated. So Annie and Nora. Shout out you.

[C]

Yes. Shout out Annie and Nora.

[A]

How long has she been styling you for?

[C]

Twice.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Right. Yeah. This. No, like, twice. Isn't trips like she. She. Everything I've worn the whole time I've been in New York has been Annie and Nora. And then also some stuff in la, right? Yeah, some. Some photo shoots.

[A]

Okay, well, what's next for you?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Is that. I know that's a weird question, but like, do you want to take a beat for a second?

[C]

I would love to take a beat. Like Dream Dream Scenario would be. I don't do any shows like in the next year and then maybe I do a show after that. But I just don't know how realistic that is because like, here's the thing with me, like basically what I'm like, I don't want to do this forever. I know that for sure. But like, I don't want to also kind of half ass it and not really do as much as I can and then. And then look back in 10 years and be like, damn, I should have done. Really could have used this for my kids college. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like 1,000%.

[C]

Yeah. And. And then regret not capitalizing on momentum and you know, all this stuff.

[A]

Would you ever. DWTS

[C]

was Dancing with the Stars.

[A]

Yeah, maybe you would.

[C]

I can't dance, Jake.

[A]

But that's the beauty of it all.

[C]

I've seen High School Musical though, so like, I feel like.

[A]

No, I think you would learn. They, they like when Alex did it, she was in that dance studio seven days a week. Like you. If you. I like. I'm a firm believers. If you like, dedicate yourself hard enough to something, you will get better. You will do it. You will. You will improve.

[C]

That's true. And I'm very competitive. Like, I know if I did.

[A]

I know you're competitive.

[C]

I would give it my all. Like, I would. And that would be even more embarrassing because I probably still wouldn't be.

[A]

No, but you have pretty privilege.

[C]

Yeah, I know. But like, I'd want to be good at it. Like, I don't like doing stuff I'm not good at. And dancing is one of those things that I just don't. I wasn't born to be a dancer, you know? Like, I recently started learning to wheelie motorcycles and it was really hard.

[A]

That is very dangerous. I would just like to tell you that gives me a lot of anxiety. I really don't want you to get hurt. I'm being dead serious. That like, freaks me out.

[C]

No, I'm very safe.

[A]

How can you be safe while wheeling a motorcycle?

[C]

Take it slow. Okay. I get better and better and better and better. And now I can do it for like a whole minute.

[A]

That gives me really bad anxiety. Please be safe.

[C]

Of course I was wearing helmet.

[A]

Always a helmet. And maybe like, like a steel suit.

[C]

So if you look into that.

[A]

Oh, speaking of like fast moving cars, have you seen any of the Oscar noms this year? No, not a single one. You're not a movie guy?

[C]

I like movies. I'm just not like big like pop culture person.

[A]

So funny. Because you're kind of like the face of pop culture sometimes.

[C]

On occasion I'm. I'm in the conversation. But yeah, no, I'm not really big in it.

[A]

Do you. What? What Television? Do you watch any television? Do you watch any movies?

[C]

I love like, I like animated stuff. Like, like some anime. Like I love Avatar, Lest Airbender, Parks and Rec. I loved that show. I like like those kind of like the office type stuff. I like funny stuff. But currently really haven't been watching too much television.

[A]

So when you go home at night,

[C]

what do you do at night?

[A]

Because you're not on you. I assume, I assume you don't scroll Tick tock. I don't get that vibe from you.

[C]

On occasion I will. Depends. Like the airport. That's what I'm doing. I'm on tick tock. Probably.

[A]

But okay, but when you're in bed and you're sitting alone and the day's

[C]

over, I'm probably going to sleep. That foreign concept.

[A]

Wait, I'm confused. Like, you just like, okay, sleep time and you shut your eyes and you go to bed. You don't take. You don't take anything?

[C]

No.

[A]

What's that like?

[C]

I don't know. I just like, oh, I play fortnite. I play fortnite. Okay, I'll play some fortnite before bed. Yeah.

[A]

How do you deal with anxiety?

[C]

Yeah, riding motorcycles is a huge help. It's like free therapy. And then like doing anything that doesn't have to do with me is also really nice because I think that's really. Can be sometimes hard to do. Especially when your job is like, like go talk about yourself on a podcast or like go do like be on a show or something. You know, whatever. But yeah, I think like doing something that has nothing to do with myself, like helping someone, being with my grandpa, helping my mom with something, doing something like that, like, is so good for. Because you're like, holy shit. Like, oh, we're all in the. Like, we're. I'm just a person. I don't know. Does that make sense at all?

[A]

It reminds me of that scene in the Beyonce documentary On hbo. I forget what it's called. It's like if I something about dreaming. And she says that she stands by the ocean sometimes because you know, as a public figure sometimes you can feel like everything you do is so important. But she stands by the ocean to like remind herself that like it's nothing. Like you're nothing.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And so does is that is the mom is helping your mom and your grandpa. Your ocean.

[C]

Yes. In the creek and space. I think about space sometimes. That calms me down so much.

[A]

What do you think about space?

[C]

It's kind of the same thing as the ocean. Just like thinking about how insignificant I really am in the big scheme of things is a very peaceful feeling.

[A]

But can I ask you a question? Because I struggle with this a lot. It's. Yes. It's like, okay, who cares what anyone has to say about you? But then when that's our job and that's how you make money for your kids and your life. And if people hate you, then you can't then your job, then you don't have a job. It's like, what do you do? Like does that not.

[C]

Well, no.

[A]

Anxiety.

[C]

It. It doesn't. That doesn't. Just because of the simple fact of like if you just are being yourself, it doesn't really matter. You know, at the end of the day, like if people end up hating me and I know like things can get twisted so easily, especially with reality tv. You can be villainized or made to look a certain way. But like if you're always being yourself and you're true to yourself, then you really can't go wrong. Because if that ever does happen, then it's like, all right, I just move on. But if I ever start trying to act a certain way to get people to like me to do right formatives type of thing, then that's when you, I think will really get into trouble with that kind of stuff because it's

[A]

like, oh, you are. You're fake.

[C]

You're fake. Which is gonna hurt you on the inside. But then also it's like everything everyone says about you isn't even true because you're not even real. It's not even you.

[A]

What's the most. What's something you've read once and been like that is so far fetched and everyone believed it.

[C]

I feel like I've had so many of those things, I can't think of anything on top of my head. But I've definitely seen that quite a lot.

[A]

And do you interact or do you just let go and Let. God.

[C]

I pretty much never interact. I did recently, though. I was on a snowboarding trip and I was playing poker, and I got really drunk and. And then we quit playing poker and I got my phone and I was just like, keyboard warrior. Just like. It's crazy. It's bad.

[A]

Did you regret it?

[C]

I woke up and I was like. But I had to snowboard, so there's no time to think about that.

[A]

No hangover.

[C]

Tequila soda. Because, like, no hangover, but then also, like, Sorry, Tequila soda.

[A]

Okay. I've been struggling so much with my hangovers. I went out last Friday night, and then I had two shows the following day. I was.

[C]

Are you drinking, like, sugary? Like.

[A]

No, I drank dirty martinis with vodka all night.

[C]

Yeah, I feel like that would be not that bad for a hangover. Maybe try a tequila soda.

[A]

I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

[C]

I think it's also high, like, kind of hydrates you a little bit because it's water with it. And also what I'll do is if I'm going to be drinking a lot, I will drink a glass of water in between every drink. And that'll also. Okay, no hangover.

[A]

Okay. What's your favorite place to visit? And am I asking, like, the most random questions? I just want to get to know you.

[C]

I'm here for it. You know, I'm.

[A]

What's your favorite place you've gotten to go to? Because of. Starting from Love island to now. What's your favorite place? You can't say Fiji. That you've gotten to go to.

[C]

For work? Yeah, like, work only. I mean, just catching snakes count is work. But no, you've just always. Okay, yeah.

[A]

No, no, no. Not just for work. Not just for work. Just, like, you've made money. Even if just, like, you've made money, you could take yourself somewhere that you never thought you could take yourself.

[C]

I mean, that's hard because I, I, I traveled so much before all this, like, for snakes. Those are my favorite places. But I. But, like, for work, like, that I've been to. I don't know, I mean, like, places that I would never go. Like, I would never go to London on purpose. I would never go to Scotland on purpose because it's, like, cold and stuff. But, like, those. It was cool to see all that stuff. And I'm, like, grateful that I had the opportunity to, like, go and get paid to do that.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Because I wouldn't ever go there.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You know, just for fun. So it's. That's cool. Like, I do appreciate that.

[A]

What is your favorite meal in Alabama?

[C]

Probably Sonic.

[A]

Oh, shut up.

[C]

No, it's probably Yum Yum Thai Sushi. It's a, it's really. If you ever come to Florence, if I ever get you down there to catch some snakes and hang out.

[A]

You know what though, is I, I've been kind of like ruminating on doing. I, I, I take the show on, on the road. Sometimes I take it on tour and we kind of overdid it last time. We did like 50 something dates over the course of the year. It was a lot. But I'm thinking if I do like one night only in a few places, Alabama would obviously have to be one of them. Fayetteville, Arkansas would have to be one of them. If I do that, I would love to go to Yum Thai sushi with you. Have you been to Yam Tai sushi?

[C]

It's sick.

[A]

I graduated from Prattwell High School.

[C]

Oh, okay. Mountain Brook.

[A]

Where'd you graduate from high school?

[C]

Schol's Christian.

[A]

Do you know that

[C]

a lot of people went to Alabama from there?

[A]

Yeah. Do you ever wish you went to college?

[C]

I did go to college.

[A]

What?

[C]

I went to college. What the hell?

[A]

Where'd you go?

[C]

University of North Alabama.

[A]

We're rivals, you and I.

[C]

No, no, we are like newly D1.

[A]

Okay, so did you have fun in college?

[C]

At a blast.

[A]

And then what made you say let's do Love Island?

[C]

Okay, let's do it.

[A]

You just. Did you apply, like on a whim or.

[C]

I didn't apply. They DM me on Instagram.

[A]

Shut the up. You were recruited like Cindy Crawford?

[C]

Yeah. Like, yeah.

[A]

Wow. How beautiful is that?

[C]

It was beautiful. It is crazy. I was actually thinking about that. She posted the girl that recruited me posted on her story, like, never know when a random DM's gonna go because I was on Fallon and she was

[A]

like, how was Fallon? I was. That was so cool to see you on Fallon. I saw, I saw, I saw all the photos and everything. You looked amazing. How was it?

[C]

It was cool. He was really nice. He was like, he seemed like a genuine person, which was like, surprising and nice. He was cool. My sister cried and that was very sweet. Yeah. My family is really proud. My, my friends from back home were really proud. I think for them, like, they were like, wow.

[A]

Like, late night. Yeah, late night's like the creme de la creme. I just did my first late night as well.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

How did you feel?

[A]

I felt I got there and I was really, really, really quiet. Cuz I was super anxious. And then I, I, I drank a Celsius and I, like, kind of, like, opened up a bit. I got excited. And then right before I went out, I did. Do you ever do, like, these breaths where you go, I do that and it, like, calm me down.

[C]

Let's try that.

[A]

And then I, I, I walked. I always think of anything scary. I learned this from, like, when I went on tours. Like, you're just jumping into really cold water or, like, ripping a band aid off. And like, once you're in the water, like, you're stuck. Also, like, you have to remind yourself that, like, some sometimes I know this is a toxic way of thinking, but if you're just like, no, like, you are stuck. Like, you have to do this right now. You can't turn around and not do it. Like, you have to do it. So put on a smile, act relaxed, and do it. Because you're here and you're doing it, and there is no turning back. Like, when I would do a show, I'm like, people bought tickets to this. I'm not gonna be like, I can't do it. I'm doing it. So just, like, you have to, like, set your mindset. Like, this is happening. I'm also on really, really, really, really heavy medication. Are you?

[C]

No.

[A]

Would you ever? Yeah. It seems like you don't need it. Honestly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you ever answer what you were therapist about?

[C]

Yes. People standing up on airplanes.

[A]

Right, Right. Okay. I'm gonna go pee really quickly if that's okay with you, girl.

[C]

I thought you'd like that one.

[A]

You know I did. And then we're gonna do the tell me what's wrongs.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Do you know what those are?

[C]

I think I could figure it out. Hey, Lisa. How you doing, sweetheart? I'm with, I'm with someone that wanted to talk to you.

[A]

We were just talking about how much we love you.

[D]

Shut up. All my boys are together. Are you kidding?

[B]

I love this so much.

[A]

I miss you.

[D]

Hi. Miss you, Broadway star. How is it?

[A]

It's good. It's good. But I want. I. Harry needs to make me pasta.

[D]

Oh, honey.

[C]

Done.

[D]

I'm gonna have you boys over.

[A]

Yeah. Should we both go over? Should we both Can Rob and I come over together and Harry can make us pasta?

[D]

Done. Anytime morning, noon, or night. Yes, absolutely. Wouldn't that be so fun?

[A]

That would be so fun. Oh, I miss you so much.

[D]

I miss you. And you know, I love both of you so much. What are you doing together right now?

[A]

The podcast you're on the podcast. I am.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Oh, I'm looking so cute. Thanks a lot, Rob.

[C]

No, you look. You look fabulous, as always.

[A]

Yeah, you. I was about to say your skin's glowing. You know, I got Botox for the first time yesterday.

[C]

Look at his job.

[D]

Congrats. Wow. It takes a minute.

[A]

Yeah. That's what everyone. That's what everyone's saying. That's what everyone's saying.

[D]

But why are. Why did you get Botox?

[A]

Because I was at a facialist, and they were like, we have it. And I was like it.

[D]

Exciting, exciting, exciting. I love it. Well, you're so gorgeous.

[A]

Anyway. Oh, well, I love you and I miss you.

[D]

I miss you. I'm so thrilled that you called. I get a text message from Rob that just says important, and I'm like, what the Is that? I go, is this for me?

[B]

Hi.

[D]

And he's like, yes. Cutest thing.

[A]

I'm so happy you picked up. We love you so much, Lisa.

[D]

I love you. This made my day.

[A]

You made our day. We love you. And I'm gonna see you soon.

[D]

I hope so. For pasta.

[A]

Yes, for pasta. Harry Hamlin's pasta.

[D]

And is the Birkin bag in the works? Is it working?

[A]

I'm going with him. I'm going with him to get it.

[D]

Oh, my God. You're kidding.

[A]

Yeah, I'm excited because, respectfully, he needs. He needs a gay man to show him and make sure that it's correct.

[D]

Okay. I am so happy about this. I need to see everything. I'm sure I will, but I need to see the whole Birkin situation.

[A]

We'll record it for you. Okay.

[D]

I love you.

[A]

I love you.

[C]

I love you, Lisa.

[A]

Bye.

[C]

Thanks for picking up.

[A]

Bye. She really is the best.

[C]

She is. She actually.

[A]

She, like, when she came on my show, like, it was one of the best episodes I've ever. Like, it was some of the most fun I've ever had. She is so professional, and, like, you know when someone, like, is professional, like, okay, so, like, she plays on Housewives, right? Like, somebody that, like, fights with people, right? But you can tell for her that, like, it is a job and that she. It's. She's an actress, and it is her, but it's also a job. And you can tell that in her heart, she is a really good person that really, really cares about the people she loves.

[C]

I completely agree.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. No, she's great. And she's hilarious. Like, I'm constantly laughing whenever I'm with her. Like, she's. She's so funny.

[A]

Okay, well, are you Ready for the tell me what's wrongs? I accidentally Venmoed my very recent ex $300 instead of 30 for something I owed him for. We broke up on bad terms and haven't been talking, but I am a woman of my word. He is not. Now he is ditching my cause. Text Etc. What the do I do? How does she get that 270 back?

[C]

I would start telling all of his friends.

[A]

Like, get him to.

[C]

Yeah, because that would be embarrassing probably if she knows his friend, she'd be like, hey, your friend is like, he stole my money so I can have it back.

[A]

Also, maybe we can take a moment right now. I don't know you, but Venmo, if you are seeing this, please help this girl get her money back. $270, but please, please help this girl get her money back.

[C]

Wow, that is very good of you.

[A]

I told a guy I loved hiking to seem outdoorsy, and now I'm on our second seven mile hike on an incline with no service. By the way, I'm wearing platform Converse. How do I survive this? And this is why it's important to be authentic in relationships.

[C]

Yes. 100. This happened to me once.

[A]

What happened?

[C]

A girl said that she loved hiking and I took her hiking and she had never been hiking. It was.

[A]

I hate hiking.

[C]

And, and I respect that.

[A]

Honestly, like, I. You know what? I would like you to sit here and tell me what you enjoy about it.

[C]

So to be so. So for real. I really don't like hiking that much. It's just necessary to do what I do want to do, which is find cool snakes, you know, like, that's the mission. But I wouldn't go, like, if we were somewhere where it's cold and they're like, let's go on like a 4 mile, 5, 10 mile hike. I'd be like, I'm good. Like, there's no snakes. Like, I'm not gonna find anything cool. Like, I'll take a picture of like, something.

[A]

Right?

[C]

I'm not really trying to do all

[A]

that for real with the snakes. Like, do you, like, would you, in a dream world, like, host, like tourists, like tour groups on like snake tours? Is that like what you would want to do?

[C]

It would be cool, but, like, I feel like it would get redundant. I'd get bored of catching the same. Because even now, like, I've caught the same species in Alabama so many times. Like, I still enjoy that, but, like, I get so excited being in range, like, in habitat for like a species I've never seen before. Finding that, like, oh, it's just so exciting. It's like Pokemon, you know?

[A]

So would you say the dream is to make enough money to be able to provide for your wife and your kids and travel around the world and travel and just catch snakes for the joy of it?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. Straight up. Yeah. That's perfect.

[A]

That is really beautiful. And I really, really think that that will happen for you.

[C]

I think you're right.

[A]

Would you ever want to do a show where it's you traveling across the world catching snakes?

[C]

Maybe. It would have to be. It has to be the right thing, you know, I'd have to be authentic. It has to be real. Because like, with. With these kind of like donkey falls and stuff, a lot of them are not really real. It's all set up and, like, so

[A]

could you self fund it? And if.

[C]

See, I think. I think almost a better thing would be just a YouTube channel, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Right. But I'm just really bad with all that stuff, so I need to get like a production company or someone that would help me make a really good YouTube channel and do that. And then I could bring people like. Like, would you go snake catching with me?

[A]

I would love to go snake catching.

[C]

It would be a blast.

[A]

I feel like I. I would. Are you, like, around in the next few months?

[C]

Yeah, I'll be here. I'll be in, like. Where would you be in America?

[A]

Yeah, where would you like, where. If I'm like, rob, let's go take a trip and catch snakes. Where would you want to go?

[C]

I would say let's just go to Miami. Let's go to South Florida and let's

[A]

find some pythons and then go to 11 after.

[C]

No, I've never been.

[A]

What?

[C]

No. Everyone says you gotta go.

[A]

You gotta go 24 hours scariest drinking. Oh, I'm having a time time.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. Okay, we'll do the snakes and then we'll talk about 11. Maybe I will go to the Hard Rock. I like.

[A]

I like the Hard Rock Cafe.

[C]

I like a little bit of blackjack, you know?

[A]

Okay. I like the one where you spend roulette. Yeah. You like gambling?

[C]

I actually quit gambling. I lost $20,000 in Vegas last time I was there.

[A]

Rough. Yeah. This girl in my class has a huge crush on my professor. She won't stop asking him random questions in the middle of class at the top of her lungs, including asking him about his family, girlfriend, etc. I know this is annoying, but it's at a point where we're actually missing Information. Really? You care about missing information in class?

[C]

We need.

[A]

Because they keep chatting. Imminent intermittently. The teacher isn't immediately shutting this down because she's hot as fuck. Do I slash. We get involved. Why would you ever snitch?

[C]

Yeah, no, that's.

[A]

Why would you. First of all, first of all, is the information really that important?

[C]

What are you learning and who's winning here? You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, the girl get her bag. Like, if they keep. I mean, I guess he has a girlfriend. But it was always, always, always my dream in college to my professor. Like, always my dream. Like, I wanted him to take me, like, for, like, notes and then, like. Like, you know, like that video, like, where the gay guy got in congress. Like, that was like, my dream with a professor.

[C]

I don't know that video. But, yeah. No, I'm sorry. You didn't get to fulfill your dreams.

[A]

No, my. My professors were, like, 80.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

And they would always fail me.

[C]

So was it more of a hypothetical thing? Or was there, like.

[A]

She's like, should I tell on her for, like, wanting to.

[C]

Your situation? Like, was there a specific professor? Or, like.

[A]

No, I wish. Like, oh, my God, I still get butterflies thinking about it. Like, I literally. And I. I'm. I. But back in the day, like, I've learned how to be a better flirt. Like, once I. I have gay friends now. I used to not have gay friends. And having gay friends is very important because, like, you know, there are certain questions you can't ask your girlfriends, and your girlfriends will be like, ew. But because, you know, yeah, up that.

[C]

I get it.

[A]

But, like, when you have gay friends, you can ask them, like, how to flirt. How do you do? Like, and so it's very important. And I think if I had gay friends back in college, I would have been able to find a professor to.

[C]

I think. I think he might be. I think he might be right. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But, yeah, no, I'm against this. I'm against the snitch. Always, always.

[A]

Have you ever snitched on someone?

[C]

I don't think so.

[A]

Actually, you want to do me a favor favor really quickly?

[C]

Oh, yeah, whatever.

[A]

Do you see that camera right there?

[C]

This one?

[A]

Ask Matt. Say, Matt. Matt, is it true?

[C]

Is it true?

[A]

And now do that all at once.

[C]

Matt, is it true? Did you do it?

[A]

Or are you.

[C]

Or are you. What is this about?

[B]

It's a long bit.

[A]

I just did it on the. On the news, so don't worry.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I found out the guy I've been hooking up with has a girlfriend because she requested to follow me and her bio says two years with my favorite

[C]

person with his at.

[A]

I mean, you know, I've been seeing this man for a couple of months. She must have requested to follow me because she's suspicious as I would be or she's been talk or he's been talking about me. Do I tell her or just ghost him? So I would double check. I would check my facts. Yeah, I would check my facts. Do not go to the man first. Do not give him the upper hand. Check your facts, check your mutuals, check what's going on. If she's dating him, DM her and say what's going on here? I'm with that and that's that. Yeah, I moved to a new city five months ago where I didn't know a soul. One of my girlfriends knew a guy that moved here recently too. So she connected us. We, we quickly became going out buddies and when we do, it's usually just the two of us. Last weekend after a night out, we hooked up. I was in a long term relationship for about three years before this. So I'm super confused. I've def caught feelings for this guy but I can't tell how he feels. Worst, I'm not the hooking up type at all. And I'm worried I'm about to be in either a situationship or have to cut him off entirely. He's one of my only friends here. Making girlfriends postgrad is hard help. So to make girlfriends. I don't know what city you live in. I know this sounds like intimidating. I would really see if there is a run club in your area. My best friend Brett met so many friends doing the Venice run club in California. Really and truly go and find a run club to make girlfriends. It really is just such a way because like that it's a bunch of people that also like want to make friends.

[C]

I think open communication in any relationship, whether it's an actual relationship or just hooking up is so important because then that's going to cause hurt when that, that's, that's what causes hurt basically. I think when something like that's happening is when one person is thinking one thing's going on, the other person's thinking something else, you know. So it's just better just to talk about it. Even if it's awkward, get it out of the way. Are you on the same page or you're not on the same page? And then if you're not on the same page, like maybe you should Cut it off.

[A]

Yeah. I faked knowing how to play guitar to impress this guy, and now he wants to jam with me this weekend.

[C]

I feel like that's such a girl thing to do.

[A]

No, this seems like a gay man. I don't know. I just. Maybe it's a girl. I don't know a single chord. Do I come clean or learn overnight? Help. I'm so stressed. I think it is so endearing if you tell him that you were lying just because you liked him so much and you wanted to impress him. It is so sweet and so endearing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Come clean. It's endearing. Is there a prescription I can give for that? A prescription is like a piece of pop culture. A movie or something that we give people. Like, is there a movie that somebody pretends to do something or be something that. Yes, Louise. 27 dresses.

[B]

20 sister.

[A]

27 dresses. The sister does what? She pretends to, like, be a vegan and love hiking. She pretends to be a vegan and love hiking. I would watch 27 Dresses.

[C]

James Marsden. He's in that movie. I met him one time.

[A]

Oh, okay. I was very confused as to where you were going with that. Do you watch Paradise?

[C]

I don't know what that is. What is that?

[A]

Oh, my God. That was really horrible what just happened. It's a show. Just go into it blind. It's the best show on television. Not even kidding. You would love it. James Marson's in it. It's amazing. Yeah. And that was it for the tell me what's wrongs.

[C]

Well, we did it.

[A]

We did it. We did that. And now we're going to go get

[C]

Maura Birkin, and I can't wait.

[A]

Did you have fun with me today?

[C]

Yes, I did. Yes.

[A]

I also had so much fun with you.

[C]

We just had fun. We're friends now. We both know that we're friends.

[A]

Mm.

[C]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

One more time.

[C]

That was it.

[A]

One more time. All right there. That was sick. Okay, Rob, what did we learn today?

[C]

So much about love in life?

[A]

I learned that you are really, authentically you. That you are the same on camera. You are the same off. And I think that's beautiful. And I think that's why you found so much success in an area that maybe you thought you would never be in.

[C]

Wow. Well put.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

And thank you. I appreciate that.

[A]

It's true. You are the same. You are literally the same.

[C]

I am. I am literally the same.

[A]

What did you learn? Oh, also, Eric wants me to tell you he wants you to buy him a Rolex. But I said, okay, well, like, yeah,

[C]

he's trying to get that going, but,

[A]

like, he was a trader, too, so, like, Eric, I love you, but yeah, yeah, you know, Birkins are expensive.

[C]

I thought about maybe Birken stocks. We can talk about it. Wait, you didn't like that? I'm getting more of Birkin. I get him Birkin stocks.

[A]

Oh, that's funny. That's cute. You should do that. That's funny. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. I love you.

[C]

Love you, too.

[A]

Okay. Thank you coming on the show. I will see you later to buy more Birkin.

[C]

Amazing. Bye.

[A]

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